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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 2: Blazar, Blazarre and Lazarre. He everybody nailed it, joined us

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Speaker 2: always buying our star Carick. Here is Evan Lazar and

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Speaker 2: Alex bars.

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Speaker 3: This whole class I just then kind of comes down

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Speaker 3: to it's all different types of players and all different

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Speaker 2: And then when is the front?

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Speaker 3: You know, we talk about this a lot with the

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Speaker 3: draft of like when is the that run on day

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Speaker 3: two where now all of a sudden you watch the

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Speaker 3: prey go by and you miss the run? You know,

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Speaker 3: and that that's happened to the Patriots. I know, maybe

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Speaker 3: that kind of happened with them at tackle where they

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Speaker 3: with Kaydon Wallace in the third round and we see

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Speaker 2: So I think that's gonna be a big part of

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Speaker 2: the edge rusher stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hello everybody, Evan Lazarre, Alex Barth with you, Catch

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Speaker 3: twenty two Back in studio, Back from the Combine.

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Speaker 2: My favorite week.

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Speaker 3: Of the NFL calendar, The NFL Combine that the Combine

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Speaker 3: is made for people like you and me, like it

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Speaker 3: is a made for football nerd event because because you

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Speaker 3: go there, it's everybody's relaxed. Every team is about to

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Speaker 3: win the Super Bowl, right nobody's out of it yet

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Speaker 3: everyone's zero and zero as they like to say, we

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Speaker 3: all these people are there, it's all relaxed. Nobody is

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Speaker 3: in any sort of stress or any discomfort whatsoever. It's

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Speaker 3: a great time. It's a great week. You were there

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Speaker 3: last year, so you got a taste of it. You

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Speaker 3: know what it's like. But one of the things that

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Speaker 3: that comes out out of the Combine as we're we're

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Speaker 3: seeing in real time right now as the Chiefs. Ten

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Speaker 3: minutes before we started to tape the show, Alex traded

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Speaker 3: Trent mcduffy, one of their best players, to the Rams.

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Speaker 3: David Montgomery's already gotten traded right now from the Lions

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Speaker 3: people are getting.

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Speaker 1: Traded, might get more during the show. So we are

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Speaker 1: going to talk free agency.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk the veteran trademarket, all that good

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Speaker 3: stuff here today, I want to start combine, though, we're

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Speaker 3: going to do our three up, three down from the combine.

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Speaker 3: We're going to start there, and then I promise you, you know,

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Speaker 3: the second half of the show at least will be

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Speaker 3: more of a free agency preview. You have a little

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Speaker 3: We'll talk about Alex Pierce, We'll talk about isa alec

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Speaker 3: I said, Alex.

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Speaker 1: Piers said Alex. I did not people keep trust me.

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Speaker 1: I have for Alex trust me. I heard what you said.

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Speaker 2: I love like, is there a reason that you do that?

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Speaker 3: Like just like like when I like say something that

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Speaker 3: I like might fumble a pronunciation for two sous, like

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Speaker 3: it's Alex okay, I got it that.

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Speaker 1: One on the okay, So that one specifically, I think

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Speaker 1: of people who don't know my name is alex as Wild.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean people know as Baris? They just

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Speaker 1: know me as Barth. Like when I worked in baseball,

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Speaker 1: they called me Barth All summer, A bunch of the

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Speaker 1: interns didn't know who Alex was. It was kind of funny.

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Speaker 1: It even sounds weird for me to say it, but yes,

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Speaker 2: Alec Pierce. You happy.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I need to really enunciate the.

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Speaker 1: Amount of times I've heard Alex Pierce Alex, Yes, the

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Speaker 2: It's nice like that every times, not just you.

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Speaker 1: The amount of times I've heard Alex Pierce. The last

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure that maybe I would say last football season,

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Speaker 1: Well, I remember when you got hired. Here people coming

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean, but it's like, I guess it.

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Speaker 1: Really, what's it? What's a name that sounds like Evan

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Speaker 2: Then we'll get into free agency.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk about all the different free agents like Alec Pierce.

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Speaker 2: And the whole list and go down the list there.

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Speaker 3: And but I want to start combine, and I want

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Speaker 2: And I think we just get right into it.

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Speaker 1: Because it is like, well, okay, so this is what

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Speaker 1: Did a little bit of both. Okay, I didn't really

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Speaker 1: Soney Styles had a good combine. We all know it.

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Speaker 2: I cut out the top.

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Speaker 2: On Okay, so I just want to get right into it.

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Speaker 3: I don't really have a great opening take today other

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Speaker 2: But you know that that I had an opening take.

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Speaker 1: Well, we were talking about off the air.

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Speaker 3: Don't understand how the Trent McDuffie trade has anything to

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Speaker 3: Okay, So I have a I have an actual take

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Speaker 1: It's localizing, localizing the.

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Speaker 2: Trent McDuffie trade, right now, that's what you do.

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Speaker 3: My take on this, YEA is looking at this from

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Speaker 3: That early returns are suggesting that Patrick Mahomes is going

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Speaker 1: Or at least part of it.

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Speaker 1: So I wonder by trading Trent McDuffie, Now maybe they

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Speaker 2: Right? Like are we the Sea's parting?

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Speaker 3: So you know, you have Josh Allen with a new

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Speaker 3: lot of work. Kansas City's probably I think that this

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Speaker 3: would guess that Patrick Mahomes' twenty twenty six season is

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Speaker 3: very much in flux whether he's gonna.

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Speaker 2: Play or not at all.

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Speaker 3: So if he sits out the whole twenty twenty six season,

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Speaker 1: To be like Jason Tatum of the NFL.

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Speaker 3: Are they good enough for him to be the Jason

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Speaker 1: No, Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City Ravens have a new

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Speaker 3: It's all coming up Patriots again. So all it's maybe

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Speaker 2: Be fair, so is that a good making it local?

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Speaker 3: If I had to trade off though, Yeah, another tackle

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Speaker 2: And I don't think that they're in any.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's the same as Max Crosby because

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Speaker 3: Max Crosby's going anywhere. Well, the reason why I don't

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Speaker 3: think it's the same as Max Crosby is because the

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Speaker 3: Raiders stink, and the Raiders have stunk for all of

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Speaker 3: winning season in seven attempts, He's played one playoff game

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Speaker 2: Again.

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Speaker 3: I think this is like four coaches that he's on

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Speaker 3: This is a classic disgruntled diva wide receiver versus a

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Speaker 3: think that they're that similar, because Max Crosby has all

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Speaker 3: the reason in the world to one out of Vegas,

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Speaker 3: Brown to me, is like more just about a receiver

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Speaker 3: he wants touches, and that's all fine. Like I'm not

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Speaker 3: holding that against him, but I don't feel as though

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Speaker 2: For that reason.

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Speaker 3: I think this is I looked this up the other day.

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Speaker 3: I think this is Max Crosby's fourth head coach in

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Speaker 3: seven seasons with the Las Vegas Raiders. That's insane. Like

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Speaker 3: that isn't an insane number because remember Antonio Piers, Here's McDaniels, McDaniels, Pete.

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Speaker 2: Oh so this might be five, this might be five.

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Speaker 1: You're really drafted. I want to say nine team, so

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Speaker 1: this is your second and then if you count Bisaccio

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Speaker 2: I mean that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: No, Gruden, Bisachia two, mcdaniels's three peers, Oh yeah, six,

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Speaker 1: Kubiak is six.

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Speaker 2: That's crazy, Yeah, absolutely crazy.

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Speaker 1: That organization needs some stability.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, let's do three up, three down from the Combine says.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad we did that. That was fun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was like reacting to raw news. Oh we

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Speaker 3: already have an email. Kay, what are you talking about?

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Speaker 3: Bart from Poland? Oh boy, what are you guys talking about?

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Speaker 3: The Chiefs traded Tyreek Kill in twenty twenty two where

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Speaker 3: they're not serious about competing. Then guess what happened after that?

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Speaker 3: They made three straight Super Bowls. All the Chiefs are

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Speaker 3: absolutely a right tackle needing team, especially Okay, uh yeah,

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Speaker 3: Bart Patrick Mahomes didn't have a torn acl in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty two when they traded Tyreek Hill. They traded Tyreek

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Speaker 3: right thinking that they could kind of recreate Tyreek Kill

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Speaker 3: so they instead of having to pay Tyreek Kill thirty

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Speaker 3: spread out resources and Patrick will figure it out. Well,

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Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes is on crutches right now.

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Speaker 1: They also thought it's a little bit different. Didn't they

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Speaker 2: They did?

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Speaker 1: They got a lot like that was Yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: a little I got a question.

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Speaker 3: An absolute hall. All right, three upcrew, down from the combine.

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Speaker 3: Let's start with the ups because we're a positive show.

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Speaker 3: We're a positive show.

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Speaker 2: This is the one.

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Speaker 3: I guess both these guys maybe at the top of

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Speaker 3: the thirty one conversation. I know I'm basically crossing both

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Speaker 3: these guys moving up your shit, Yeah, because they performed

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Speaker 3: so well at the combine.

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Speaker 2: I think there's no chance.

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Speaker 3: The number one up I had on my list was

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Speaker 3: Dylan Dynaman from Oregon, but I just thought was like outstanding,

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Speaker 3: like outstanding combine, outstanding athletic testing, outstanding on on field drills,

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Speaker 3: Like the drill work of that he had. His workout

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Speaker 3: was incredible. He looked like a corner, yeah, moving inside

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Speaker 3: through some of those drills. He did play some slot

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Speaker 3: But he puts up a nine point sixty five relative

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Speaker 3: athletics score. Yeah, four three five forty one inch vertical,

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Speaker 3: And I think, for my money the best drill work

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Speaker 1: Yeah, ex excellent.

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Speaker 3: And now I think you're putting yourself with Dynaman Thingaman

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Speaker 2: Uh, he's a part. I think he's a lot top

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Speaker 2: twenty pick. Now.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how high he ends up going, but

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Speaker 3: I don't think that you're in the conversation for him anymore.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think you look at because you can

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Speaker 1: the Vikings at eighteen, I know it's kind of a

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Speaker 1: life after him. So that's a logical landing spot for him.

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Speaker 1: Chicago at twenty five is the basement to me for him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like the Bear, I don't think they have a safety

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Speaker 1: you have. I don't know how you count Sonny Styles personally,

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Speaker 1: Like some people count him as an edge, some people

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Speaker 1: count him as a linebacker, but like you know, linebacker

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Speaker 1: Jeremiah Loveeneman is one. Depending on what you want to

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Speaker 1: do with Fino with his arms, like he might be

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Speaker 1: a guard. The best players in this draft don't play

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Speaker 1: premium positions, and I think you're going to see a

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Speaker 3: So you mentioned Minnesota at eighteen. Yeah, I think that's

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Speaker 1: Mean May that's probably the sat his defenses. Yeah, I'll

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati at ten to me, as good as Tinman, was

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Speaker 1: what are the odds that one of Reese Bailey bain

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Speaker 2: Sure? The other the other teams that just stand out

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Speaker 1: I would sorry, because I would take all those guys over.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're just good, well run teams that make good

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Speaker 3: Rich get richer there.

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Speaker 2: You know why.

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Speaker 1: I if bain falls because of the arms, that's where

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Speaker 3: Baltimore at fourteen. I know they have Kyle Hamilton, but

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Speaker 2: Kind of player to Kyle Hamilton.

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Speaker 3: You're right, Kyle Hamilton's more of that nickel box player,

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Speaker 3: last one I would throw out there that makes all

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Speaker 3: the sense if he falls is Pittsburgh at twenty one,

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Speaker 1: What about chief Horrible? The Chiefs have an opening. The

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Speaker 2: Now sure, yeah, Horrible was strong.

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Speaker 1: Actually, I think there's another guy you're going to say

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Speaker 3: Number two Monroe Freeling, the Georgia left tackle, puts up

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Speaker 2: It reminded me a little bit.

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Speaker 3: His skill set and his workout reminded me a lot

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Speaker 3: a lot if I remember correctly, and Monroe feeling, you

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00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:09,160
Speaker 3: are betting on insane traits like this is.

442
00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:11,040
Speaker 1: Sixteen starts right.

443
00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was chiseled out of clay to play left

444
00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,119
Speaker 3: tackle in the NFL. It's not a lot of sample

445
00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,000
Speaker 3: size in terms of the film. It's a little bit streaky.

446
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,680
Speaker 3: Certainly better late at Georgian, which is you know he's ascending, right,

447
00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,560
Speaker 3: Like that's the idea. But if you had any reservations

448
00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,680
Speaker 3: that Monroe Feeling was going to be in that Blake

449
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:32,639
Speaker 3: Miller yan a chore, that cluster of tackles, he just

450
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:33,680
Speaker 3: performed himself out.

451
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,560
Speaker 1: Especially with fine right if he's going to be a guard, Yeah,

452
00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,520
Speaker 1: well now that bumps all the tackles up, so.

453
00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,840
Speaker 2: Some people he was snapping at the combine Fino.

454
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,479
Speaker 1: I mean he had thirty thirty two flat thirty two

455
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,360
Speaker 1: and eighth right, Yeah, he's interior, interior. I could see

456
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,560
Speaker 1: him as a center. That mean very smart football player

457
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,920
Speaker 1: that actually makes some sense. But is it well, I

458
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,000
Speaker 1: don't know if center is going to go in the

459
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,959
Speaker 1: first round. This is a really good center class. It's

460
00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,320
Speaker 1: like one of the two possessions the big definitively do

461
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,320
Speaker 1: not need. But it's an excellent center clas.

462
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,360
Speaker 3: Great center class. Last one here that you can do yours.

463
00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,639
Speaker 3: I don't know we have overlap. So I wanted to

464
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 3: include this one because we've talked a lot about him

465
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 3: off the air, and I want to bring it on

466
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,199
Speaker 3: the air about this conversation at tight end. There's no

467
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 3: doubt that Eli Stowers had a great workout, like he's

468
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 3: great athletic testing The forty five and a half inch

469
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 3: vertical is insane like that. That's the when you look

470
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 3: at tight ends, you know you want them to be

471
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 3: able to win above the rim. You want them to

472
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,160
Speaker 3: have great you know, catch radius and red zone ability

473
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,680
Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff. And he certainly checked

474
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,879
Speaker 3: all those boxes four or five to one. Not blazing fast,

475
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 3: but certainly above average for that position. He tested extremely well.

476
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 3: I think this is a philosophical conversation that I can

477
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 3: acknowledge that Eli Stoweres tested extremely well while also saying

478
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,159
Speaker 3: that it's not my cup of tea the type of

479
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 3: tight end that he is. I think the issue that

480
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,480
Speaker 3: I have with Eli Stowers is I'm trying to figure

481
00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 3: out as if I put my offensive coordinator.

482
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 2: Hat on, not my draft hat, my draft hat.

483
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 3: Obviously, you can see the skill set, you can see

484
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 3: the athleticism.

485
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 2: You get it.

486
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:08,719
Speaker 1: That's in a bubble, But when you look at him

487
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 1: in the context of the Patriots.

488
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and just where what matchups is he creating that

489
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 3: are favorable to the offense with basically admitting that he

490
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 3: cannot block it all, Like, there's no the perimeter blocking

491
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 3: is fine, but I'm not drafting a guy at tight

492
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 3: end to block corners on the perimeter on a screen

493
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 3: or something like that.

494
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,439
Speaker 1: Right, it's not what I'm handing the dirt rights to

495
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:33,919
Speaker 1: the tackle.

496
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, or at least, like, can we at least block

497
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 3: a safety or a nickel corner out of a fit?

498
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 2: Right?

499
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 3: Like, we got to be able to do something in

500
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 3: the run game. And he just really doesn't have a

501
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 3: lot of upside in that regard. He's some smooth athlete,

502
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 3: He's fantastic after the catch, He's really good with the

503
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 3: ball in his hands. He's got that vertical ability to

504
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 3: go up and get the football. I see all the

505
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 3: receiving upside, all the guys that have are in this

506
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 3: archetype that I can think of recently in recent history.

507
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 3: I think the the number one guy in my mind

508
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 3: that fits this archetype that's probably the apex is Dalton Kinkaid.

509
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,479
Speaker 2: And Dalton Kinkaid's a really good receiver.

510
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 3: But the problem that the Big the Bills found out

511
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 3: is that Dalton Kinkaid is a really good receiver, right,

512
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 3: so he doesn't really do anything that a traditional in

513
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 3: line tight end does. So that's why in Buffalo they

514
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,360
Speaker 3: paid Dawson Knox, they drafted Jackson Hawes, and they basically

515
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 3: built their offense around the fact that Dalton Kinkaid is

516
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 3: like a souped up slot receiver and so that as

517
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 3: a result, Dalton Kinkaid's playing time is not that high,

518
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 3: like you'd be surprised like his actual snap rate versus

519
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 3: how much talent he has, and that it's simply just

520
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 3: a it's a it's an actual football application of this,

521
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 3: like how do you get a player like that into

522
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 3: a high volume role, into a high volume snap count.

523
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 3: Last year when he can't block. And the other example

524
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 3: that I would just throw out there and I didn't realize.

525
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 3: I looked this up this morning to be accurate. Elijah

526
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 3: Arroyo is a little bit bigger than Stowers. He's like

527
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 3: an inch taller and ten pounds heavier. Yeah, it's similar,

528
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 3: But when I remember thinking that they were similar, and

529
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 3: Elijah Royo is the fiftieth overall pick by Seattle last year,

530
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 3: which is I think right around where Stowers is probably

531
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 3: not going to go, like end of the second round.

532
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 2: And who played over Elijah Royo in Seattle?

533
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 5: A J.

534
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 1: Barner?

535
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 2: Why did a J. Barner play because he can block? Right?

536
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 3: So, Like, if you're the Patriots, and let's just assume

537
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 3: that Hunter Henry is going to stay and is going

538
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 3: to be part of the twenty twenty six Patriots, which

539
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 3: I think is a safe assumption, how do you get

540
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 3: a package on the field that includes a guy like

541
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 3: Eli Stowers and a guy like Hunter Henry that presents

542
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 3: any sort of personnel mismatch to the offense, right, Like,

543
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 3: why is the defense going bigger against that grouping?

544
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 2: Why are they playing bass? Why are they playing big nickel?

545
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 3: Where is your matchup that you're getting that you're not

546
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 3: gonna get out of just putting eleven personnel on the

547
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 3: field with three wide receivers.

548
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 2: So that's a long winded way of saying, I just

549
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 2: don't know.

550
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 3: In theory, a player like Eli Stowers is a really

551
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 3: fun player, but in practice it's I think going to

552
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 3: be somebody that's going to be somewhat limited at the next.

553
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: So you have him as an up but not for

554
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: the Patriots basically.

555
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I'm struggling to figure out, like, how do

556
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 3: I get this guy into a high volume roll without

557
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 3: being able to block? And if you let's just say

558
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 3: they kind of redo their entire tight end room. And

559
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 3: let's just take one from free agency, one from the draft.

560
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 3: Let's say they signed coler right, and they go out

561
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 3: and they signed coler as they're blocking tight end, and

562
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 3: they draft Stowers. Okay, great, Like I can see that now,

563
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 3: but now you're kind that's how you kind of have

564
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 3: to build. And that's exactly how what the Buffalo did

565
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 3: with Knox and Kincaid is like they sort of built

566
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 3: it that way.

567
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 1: But then the thing like it's not a mismatch because

568
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: you know, Okay, this guy's the receiver, this guy's the

569
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: block right to lose that you become predictable.

570
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I had him on the ups because I

571
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 3: thought he was he was good in the workout, and

572
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 3: you had to give him as due.

573
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 2: I just from a more like you know.

574
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,959
Speaker 1: From a Patriot State time. I was to localize it.

575
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 3: I just don't understand what, Like, how if I'm Josh McDaniels, yeah,

576
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 3: and you give me Eli Stower, as I would say, great,

577
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 3: really talented receiver, What.

578
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: The hell am I supposed to do with him?

579
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 1: Right?

580
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 2: Like you know, I'm basically just like it's just just.

581
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: A big slot, yeah, exactly, real quick along those lines,

582
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: my nuts. I know, the like hot pick right now,

583
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 1: And I did this in my last mock. I couldn't

584
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: bring myself to be different enough. The hot pick is

585
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Love and nine of the Chiefs. Yeah, Kenyan Citik

586
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: and nine of the Chiefs.

587
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 2: Is that ridiculous at this point?

588
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 3: No, Because Kansas City is the type of team that

589
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 3: bets on athletic traits all the time. They're an ana

590
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 3: analytically driven organization like that. Yeah, kind of like the Rams.

591
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 2: All right, who who did you have that I didn't have?

592
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: So all all pivot right off that. It's perfect lead.

593
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 1: Let's talk about another tight end, Evan, this is this

594
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: might be my guy. Now, I'm not out on Oscar

595
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: Delt by any means. I still really like Oscar Delt,

596
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: but he's suffering from a little out of sight, out

597
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: of mind after the combine. I get why he didn't

598
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: work out. He had a broken foot that he didn't

599
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: know about, which credit to him. And you know Vrabel's

600
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: gonna love that. But and I gave that whole We

601
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: gave that whole speech last week about why den't make

602
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: sense because he can block and all the things you

603
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: just said.

604
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 2: Hey, there's not a lot of blocking tight ends in

605
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 2: this draft.

606
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: No, there is one more who's also when he get

607
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: nine to nine to nine rass right, Sam Rousch, Yes,

608
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: four to seven forty thirty eight and a half inch vertical,

609
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: four to three seven shuttle at six six, two hundred

610
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,959
Speaker 1: and sixty seven pounds. Now he does have thirty inch

611
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: arms thirty and a half.

612
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 2: And like a seventy six inch wings man.

613
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: That's short, right, Yes, okay, but like Arry, he is

614
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: an explosive athlete. Yeah, he blocks his ass off, He's

615
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 1: got great size, he is somebody that can truly do

616
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: a little bit of everything. Funny enough, you just gave

617
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: the whole thing about Kincaid. Have you seen who lander

618
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: Alians comp is for Sam? No, it was Adulton Knocks.

619
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think it's.

620
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: An underrated player. So I thought he had a great combine.

621
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: I did not expect him to test nearly that well athletically,

622
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: but you know, going back and watching, it's like, Okay,

623
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: I missed this, that's on me. He to me, is

624
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: exactly the kind of tight end the Patriot should be targeting.

625
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 3: So I agree with everything that you said. I think

626
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 3: that he's the exact kind of tight end that gets

627
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 3: better in the pros than he was in college. There's

628
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 3: a lot of refinement needed in his game, and I

629
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 3: think some of his blocking issues in terms of techniques

630
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 3: them from the length. You know, he just doesn't have

631
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 3: very long arms and doesn't have a very wide torso,

632
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 3: so that does limit him somewhat blocking wise, and I'd

633
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 3: say a little bit catch radius wise too. In the

634
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 3: passing game, his routes, anything that involves like a cut

635
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 3: or a break in his routes are rough. You know,

636
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 3: his his spacing, his depth of the route, he kind

637
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 3: of has to like settle and like.

638
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: Sink and move in. That's seventy pounds.

639
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's just a lot of the deceleration in the

640
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 3: ability to start and stop is not fully there, not

641
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 3: fully developed yet. That being said, there are times where

642
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 3: he gets going on a runway on like a crossing

643
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 3: route or a seam where he's really tough to cover,

644
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 3: you know, like he's a guy that There was a

645
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 3: couple of clips that I pulled watching him the other

646
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 3: day where he's like opening space for others because they're like,

647
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 3: holy crap, there's two hundred and sixty five pound tight

648
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 3: ends coming downhill at me.

649
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 2: I got to carry this vertical and then all of

650
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: a sudden, there's this big void, right.

651
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 3: You know, he's got that ability and he certainly has

652
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 3: this size to be a really good blocker.

653
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 2: He's your classic fourth fifth round pick.

654
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that in two years is like one of the better,

655
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 3: you know, top twenty tight ends in the league because

656
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 3: somebody gets his hands on him and coaches him and

657
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 3: gets it and he's.

658
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: Look, I've said this a lot when people are talking

659
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Speaker 1: about some of the athletic traits for the tight ends, Like, yes,

660
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Speaker 1: the Patriots need to add explosive downfield playmakers this offseason.

661
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: That is true. Not every person they add needs to

662
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Speaker 1: be that. And there's still is value in being a

663
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Speaker 1: chain mover, and I'm perfectly fine, Like if they go

664
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Speaker 1: out and add by the way, I'll just throw this

665
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Speaker 1: out there, Alec Pierce to Kay Adams, I love Indy,

666
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: but at this point I've kind of earned the right

667
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Speaker 1: to explore free agency. See what's out there. So that's

668
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Speaker 1: what Alec. I know, get more to him later, But like, right,

669
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Speaker 1: if you add in Alec Pierce, that's your explosive threat.

670
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Speaker 1: I'm fine with the tight end being the chain mover.

671
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Speaker 1: He's this, isn't it. Sam rous is not the chain mover. No,

672
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: Sam Roush is the explosive guy. So if that's what

673
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Speaker 1: you want. But he can also block eye opening combine

674
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Speaker 1: for me. For him, I thought he was really.

675
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Speaker 3: Under He's a play action running the crossing route right

676
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 3: behind the linebackers. Hit him, hit him on in stride,

677
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 3: let him rumble after the catch. He's got that ability

678
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 3: at his size too. He's just really hard to bring down.

679
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 3: Yeah he's not elusive, but he's just really hard to

680
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 3: bring down because he's so big and he can run

681
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 3: so fast. So yeah, he was impressive on film. He

682
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 3: definitely moves really really well. He's just a raw ball

683
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Speaker 3: of clay right now.

684
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll go, I'll stay on offense. The Manual Pregnant,

685
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: the guard from Oregon really smooth field workout. I liked

686
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: his game for a long time, but I always kind

687
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: of thought of him as a maler yeap and those

688
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: guys don't usually test as well for him to be

689
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: as nimble as he is and knowing the power that

690
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: he plays with, Okay, Yeah, Like I don't know, and

691
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: I was telling you, you're famously you you famously a

692
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: pretty strong takes about guards in the first round, but like,

693
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Speaker 1: you know, if they can add an edge rusher, adding

694
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Speaker 1: Alec Pierce something like that, even if they don't, because

695
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: we'll get to edge more like if they adding Alec

696
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: Pearson wide receiver and that box is checked and the

697
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: tackles are gone, Like is a Manual Pregnant a fit

698
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Speaker 1: at thirty one or if they trade back a little bit.

699
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Speaker 3: I don't know why I feel a little bit different

700
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Speaker 3: about it this time. I think probably because they just

701
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 3: made the Super Bowl and like I feel like their

702
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 3: roster is a little bit closer.

703
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Speaker 2: Than it was in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: My biggest thing in twenty twenty two is that they

705
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 3: made the playoffs as a wildcard team and then got

706
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 3: smoked by the Bills. Yeah, and so they really weren't close.

707
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 3: They really had a long way to go. This team

708
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 3: also has a ways to go, but not nearly as

709
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Speaker 3: long of a road. So if you're telling me that

710
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Speaker 3: they come out of free agency with an edge rusher

711
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 3: Alec Pierce, and basically they set up their.

712
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Speaker 1: Boards, say it's just Alec Pierce, I.

713
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 2: Would still probably go edge there.

714
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Speaker 1: See, I think there's some really good Day two edge options.

715
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: I still might there's a case for it, certainly, but like, yeah,

716
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Speaker 1: let's say it's pregnant, and then I'm trying to think

717
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: of the guys that you like on Day two.

718
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Speaker 3: I think the issue with the Day two guys is,

719
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Speaker 3: as I kind of worked my way through them, is

720
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Speaker 3: that a lot of them are you know, once you

721
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Speaker 3: get to that point in the draft, you're kind of

722
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 3: talking projection wise. Situational players like Malki Lawrence I think

723
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 3: is really really talented guy. Yeah, early on in his career,

724
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 3: he's going to be a designated pass rusher, you know,

725
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 3: third down specialist. Romelo Heights another guy that you know

726
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 3: I really like. He's like two hundred and forty pounds,

727
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 3: so early on in his career, he's probably going to

728
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 3: just be a third down specialist. I know a lot

729
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 3: of people like the kid from Penn State, Sutton right, a.

730
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Speaker 1: Big, big dude, the dentist.

731
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Speaker 3: I think that he's probably an early down edge setter

732
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Speaker 3: to start his career, and then maybe the pass rush

733
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Speaker 3: stuff gets developed and he hits his stride with the

734
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Speaker 3: pass russ stuff. So like all those guys like at

735
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Speaker 3: thirty one, I think that you could get a Mesador,

736
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 3: you could get a cash as how who could probably

737
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Speaker 3: play every single down early as you know, maybe even

738
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 3: their rookie seasons. I just think that that's pretty valuable.

739
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 3: I would also just rather go the other way with

740
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Speaker 3: the guard position in general and sign somebody in free agency.

741
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Speaker 2: But yeah, it pregnanized.

742
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Speaker 1: I guess pregnant as a whole. I was trying.

743
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Speaker 2: To I'm not as upset about it this year as

744
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Speaker 2: I was.

745
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: Well, could some of it be the player too?

746
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a good player, and I think that he

747
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 3: fits a lot of what I want them to do

748
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 3: next to Campbell.

749
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Speaker 1: And not just what you want them to do. I

750
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: go back to and we talked about this was it

751
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: last week. Rabel told you guys about need to get

752
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: stronger up front, like plays with a ton of power.

753
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, plays with a ton.

754
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Speaker 3: Of power, wide body, really good anchor, you know, a

755
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 3: really good ability to just put his feet in the

756
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 3: ground and stop movement when they rush him. Obviously people

757
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 3: move into run game. He kind of reminds me a

758
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 3: little bit of not as big, but kind of a

759
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 3: little bit of unwinnu in the sense that, like, I

760
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 3: don't think that he's like a nasty finisher. Yeah, he's

761
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 3: just strong, you know, and I think that maybe you

762
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 3: could you wish that there was a little bit more

763
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 3: of that, you know, Logan.

764
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Speaker 2: Mankins, you know, kind of snarl in him.

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Speaker 1: Oh see, I see, I see more of that.

766
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 3: Okay, So if he has more of that than I'm

767
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 3: giving him the Mankins.

768
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Speaker 1: But I wouldn't call it a want.

769
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Speaker 2: I want somebody that's gonna, you know, set a tone.

770
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Speaker 1: Let me watch your musical. Did you watch him right

771
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: after Vega?

772
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 2: I I think I watched him before Vega and then

773
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Speaker 2: I watched Vegas.

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00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's well, Vega is gonna because it's an unfair.

775
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 2: Well because at first I didn't want to.

776
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 3: I didn't know if I was gonna spend too much

777
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,720
Speaker 3: time on Vega, but I was like, all right, whatever,

778
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 3: I'll pop it.

779
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: That guy's nastiness is another life that you can't you

780
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: compare anybody to him. They're gonna come up.

781
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 2: I think that for the reasons I just outlined.

782
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 3: If they set themselves up where left guard is a

783
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 3: spot where they can kind of go aggressively pursuing the draft.

784
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 2: He fits a lot of the the mold of the player.

785
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 3: You know why body physical, good anchor stout player, heavy.

786
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 2: Handed in the run game.

787
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 3: You know, that's the type of player that you would

788
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 3: ideally like to put next to in between Wilson and

789
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 3: Campbell on your line of the future.

790
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 2: You don't want to.

791
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 3: Put a you know, I see a couple of emails

792
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 3: about the Texas A and M guard, but I think

793
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 3: is really talented, Yeah, really talented, But he's more to

794
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 3: me like a pass blocking guard, Like he's kind of

795
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 3: another one of these like athletes at the position pregnant

796
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 3: is a he's.

797
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: A bullsah, and it's mostly those athlete types, so there

798
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: are aren't a ton of those. Yeah, all right, my

799
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: last one, I guess I should go defense. Whould you

800
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: rather talk about Darryl Jackson or Jacob Rodriguez Jacob brodrig Okay,

801
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: let's go Jacobs.

802
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: I think Jacob Brodrig as a darn good.

803
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: So here's the thing to me with Jacob Rodriguez, and

804
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: I I liked him before I Texas Tech was like

805
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: one of my favorite teams to watch this season, just

806
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: as much as you can. We revisit this conversation.

807
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: And they got they got dudes on defense. I'll give

808
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 2: you that.

809
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: You you Evan, We we were at Good Food Store

810
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: win Friday and I'm telling him the heye his text

811
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: good this year and he was furious with the concert.

812
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 2: The Texas Tech was good good good food store reference.

813
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: Well, they're there. Their tackle is going to be a

814
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: top one hundred pick and he's just not eligible yet.

815
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: He's gonna be I was, but he can play.

816
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 3: You would you would like this quick aside at the combine? Yeah,

817
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 3: Normally when you go to the combine, it's Indianapolis.

818
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: There's a lot of colts. Yeah, college basketball.

819
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh, Caitlin Clark big there this year.

820
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 2: It's all Indiana, we had them.

821
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 3: Uh, But Fernando Mendoza was the most popular person in

822
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 3: Indianapolis over the week. Sure he was a rock star.

823
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 3: It was cool star. I got it was Indiana football.

824
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: No, it's crazy, not so crazy to me. Yeah, I

825
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: Signette might be pound for pound, the best coaches for

826
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: right now.

827
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what he did with it was a complete

828
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 2: makeover of what it normally is. That's all Indiana.

829
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: But Rodriguez so like, yeah, you know, I have a

830
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,959
Speaker 1: soft spot for the former quarterbacks. Whatever position you're playing,

831
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: if it's former quarterback, my eyes open up.

832
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 3: A little bit of off ball linebackers that were former quarterbacks.

833
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: Off ball linebackers and receivers are the two. Yeah, this

834
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: is like who's in a horner a couple of years

835
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: ago anyway, But like watching Jacob Rodriguez, really smart football player,

836
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: great instincts, plays very physically, forces turnovers, excellent communicator. Like

837
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: the only thing with him to me coming into this

838
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: was he might not test very well.

839
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know he's.

840
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: A little bit old school, big lumbering. I think he

841
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: cut some weight, so that probably helped him measure it

842
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: in a six one two thirty one. I think he

843
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: probably played closer to two forty. But he was like

844
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: one of the best athletic testers among the linebackers. Runs

845
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: a four or five seven thirty eight and a half

846
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: inch vertical sub seven three cone. So you're telling me

847
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: all that stuff I saw in the fall. Oh, and

848
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: he's a better athlete than I thought. Sign me the

849
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: hell up. Put that guy next to Roberts. Plain You've

850
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: got a great linebacker duo that is going to be

851
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: an advantage every time they're on the field together.

852
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, Like he kind of got type casted

853
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 3: as this try hard, you know, lunch pale.

854
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: Kind of guy, which he is.

855
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it turns out he's also a stellar athlete.

856
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 3: Like he's a top fifty player in this draft.

857
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,959
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, they're gonna have to, Like you can't

858
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: get I've seen people mocking him at sixty three. You

859
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 1: gotta move up. Yeah, and thirty one still probably too early,

860
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: maybe if you.

861
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 3: The reason why he follows to sixty three is because

862
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 3: he's an inside linebacker. In the league is valuing inside

863
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 3: linebackers less and less.

864
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 1: And I think he's a little bit older, right, he's

865
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 1: a twenty three turns twenty four September.

866
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 3: You have that kind of production combined with this now

867
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 3: athletic profile. That's a that's check check right.

868
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: And by the way, my thing about the turnovers seven

869
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: force fumbles, Foregner said last year. Yeah, so I'm a

870
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 1: big this is a Jacob Rodriguez podcast. We were big

871
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: Jacob Rodriguez fans over here again. Might end up being

872
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: a tweeter pick for the Patriots would be unfortunate, but

873
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be very, very very happy if they come

874
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: away with Jacob Rodriguez. He was a standout for.

875
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 2: Me, Okay, anymore?

876
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: I mean I got a couple more, Like I said Derek,

877
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: so Dds.

878
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 2: Was one our best rapid fire all right.

879
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: So I'll give you. I'll give you a couple more,

880
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: and you stop me when you hear a namy like

881
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: Kyle lewis sort of similar tested athletically than I thought Dds,

882
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: I thought had a good one, was kind of getting

883
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: type cast. Is more plotting. Malachi Lawrence, great athlete, Darryl Jackson,

884
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle from Florida State. That guy's all limbs,

885
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: but he carries through into twenty pounds excellently, so you know,

886
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: if they want another athletic inside guy, obviously Jennings Dunker

887
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: as a football player, not just the hair.

888
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, come on, let's can we can we give Jennings

889
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 3: Dunker the football player some love football play.

890
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 2: It's a hell of a man, all right. It's a

891
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: great tweet us.

892
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: And you say, like, it's hard to like Jennings Dunker

893
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: in this environment because I don't just like him for

894
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: there we just.

895
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 3: Talk about like how Jennings Dunker is going to be

896
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 3: a really really good guard.

897
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: And you want to talk about the nasty mall er thing.

898
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 3: And I and when I watched him, uh you know,

899
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 3: watch this film, I was like, Okay, well, yeah, like

900
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 3: he has all these deficiencies, but it's because he's playing outside,

901
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 3: like he's a little bit slower, plotting kind of kind

902
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 3: of tackle. But once you move him back inside, once

903
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 3: you move him inside, like all this stuff is going

904
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 3: to get.

905
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: So let me gonna get less. And the answer is

906
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: probably no. But I just want to ask the question

907
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: because I know people are going to have the question

908
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: because he was the right tackle at Iowa State. Yeah,

909
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: and he played it well at Iowa State. Again, he's

910
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: probably gonna move into the next level if they can't

911
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: get Morgan Moses' replacement this year, like the long term, right,

912
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: Let's say you draft Jennings Dunker in the second round. Yeah,

913
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: if Moses takes a step back or gets hurt or whatever,

914
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: would you be comfortable with him as an emergency right

915
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: tackle if they don't see the next guy.

916
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: Is he a guy that could play tackle in a

917
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 2: pitch pinch?

918
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: Yeah?

919
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 3: I think probably with a lot of help. His foot

920
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 3: speed is rough at so like.

921
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: Let's say they don't get like why do I keep

922
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: Hochin or yeah, you don't know, I can't get this

923
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: Hochin or or Blake Miller, Blake Miller one of those guys. Right, Yeah,

924
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: but they have Jennings Dunker and that's just like the

925
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: backup plan for the year.

926
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 2: But it's not a long term thing. He's got some flexibility. Okay,

927
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 2: he could do it.

928
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 3: I think that you would need to give him a

929
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 3: lot of help, especially against really good high.

930
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: And acknowledging that it's not he's not going to be

931
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: the ultimate replacement. But you have that option, yeah, because there's.

932
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 3: If you're facing a guy you know that rushes over there,

933
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 3: right tackle that's got some real pier speed off the edge.

934
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna need some help.

935
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: So that's just you know, it adds a little bit

936
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: of value if he can do that a couple other guys.

937
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: You know, I love my oversized offensive lineman. Sure, you

938
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: know that's a thing for me. How it help seven

939
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: inch arms? The obvious Trent Brown comp here's one for you.

940
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've watched him yet. What was

941
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: that just a little Okay, if they can't get or

942
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: they don't get the right tackle on the top one hundred,

943
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: but they still want to get the project guy. I

944
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: do have one guy on day three that maybe.

945
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: Helps them fill the needy.

946
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: Emil Wagner from Notre Dame.

947
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 2: So I thought he had a good workout.

948
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: He did. Now he got his butt kicked by Ruben

949
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: Bain early in the season. No, it was I think

950
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: eight pressures allowed, like undraftable level. It was pretty bad.

951
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: But after that, from that point on he was excellent.

952
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: And after he only started for two years, there's something

953
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: to be said. I think we talked about this with

954
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: some guys last year, players that are on the upswing, Like, okay,

955
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: this guy looks raw, but he's getting better and you

956
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: can see the progress in real time. Like him as

957
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: the day three right tackle option. I'd rather they addressed

958
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: it earlier. But I don't hate a couple other names

959
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: unless you have a strong thought on Wagner, No Dalen Everett.

960
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: You know. I like Corner for them as they need

961
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: more than some people early on day three with the

962
00:42:58,520 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: idea that in a year he's going to step in

963
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: for Carlton Davis. Charles Dennings is like the small school

964
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: darling this year I think had himself a good workout.

965
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: We talked about them and A. J. Halsey my guy.

966
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: Do you watch VJ. Payne, the safety from Kenny State.

967
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: I was not aware of this guy six three two

968
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: o six four four forty smooth move around the field.

969
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: That's he does a little bit of everything. Little slock corner,

970
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: little box, little free, Elliott Wolf's like the days of

971
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: the Patrick Chung and Devin mccordy dynamic I think are gone. Yeah,

972
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: they want the guys in the case everything, Kyle Duggart box,

973
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: true box, That's what I'm saying, Like did the free

974
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: and the strong? Like they want everything? So VJ. Payne

975
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: put him on your list to watch.

976
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 2: Okay, let's do dance. He does enough names, Hang on,

977
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 2: wait at a couple more?

978
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: I had a couple more, No, John Michael Gillenborg like that,

979
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: and oh I got because we we've gotten calls. I

980
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: got two more. We've gotten calls on Skyler Bell. Yeah,

981
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: actually diving in on Skyler Bell. I was impressed. And

982
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: I don't know how he makes sense for the Patriots.

983
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: I think they more want the X.

984
00:43:59,440 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

985
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: If they hutt Digs or move on from Diggs, it's

986
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: another story. I was really impressed. And then I have

987
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: to ask you about Jeff Caldwell. What do we do

988
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 1: about Jeff Caldwell?

989
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 2: Nothing like so an athlete.

990
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: Jeff call is six five two sixteen. Yeah, he's a

991
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: great as ran a four to three to one with

992
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: a forty two inch vertical. I mean it's just insane.

993
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he has no routree.

994
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: He played three years of FCS, went to Cincinnati last year,

995
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: caught like thirty passes. He did practically nothing. Yeah, he's

996
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: there at one oh eight. It's like their last of

997
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: the four six round pick two O eight. Sorry, it's

998
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: the last of their four six round picks.

999
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 2: Fine.

1000
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna get Taekwon Thornton and end up

1001
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: going like top one hundred because somebody loves the workout

1002
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 1: and probably won't work out. But I think that made

1003
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: me address it. He had a very impressive play.

1004
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 2: Do you bring him? Man? And you know, is he

1005
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 2: is he a ross roll player? I don't know. I

1006
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 2: guess maybe in special team.

1007
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: So that's the thing for me, is like, if you

1008
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: draft him, he could probably play special teams at that profile.

1009
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe with a gunner or something like that.

1010
00:44:58,920 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 6: Uh.

1011
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 3: Is he a great scout team receiver because he's like

1012
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 3: a freak athlete with all the measure right, Like sure,

1013
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 3: Like there's a role for him in an NFL.

1014
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: The one other organization.

1015
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 2: I just I don't think it's anything.

1016
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: His agility testing was okay too. They've talked about wanting

1017
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: size and kick return return kicks.

1018
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 3: Oh my god, a six foot five guy who returning

1019
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:23,240
Speaker 3: kicks with that speed? Okay, like Corderill Patterson style. Okay,

1020
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 3: all right, he's on my radar. Are you done? Yeah, Okay,

1021
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 3: let's go to the downs. So I didn't have a

1022
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 3: ton honestly, because I.

1023
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 1: It's hard to downce from the combine.

1024
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 3: Yeah it is, but I have a big picture when

1025
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 3: I wanted to bring up my number one down is

1026
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 3: the NFL combine. Yes, thank you, this is this is

1027
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 3: a youd. This is a very very so I didn't

1028
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 3: even think to do this. My number one down is

1029
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 3: the NFL Combine. And the reason why I bring this

1030
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 3: up is I'll give you the stats here in a second,

1031
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 3: but I just opened the show. I love the combine.

1032
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 3: This is one of my favorite events. And it's not

1033
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 3: just because it's the underwear Olympics. I just love the event.

1034
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 3: I think it's great time. I think it's NFL spring

1035
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 3: Break with like a little bit of work sprinkled in.

1036
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 3: It's perfect, right, So I don't want it to go away.

1037
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 3: Like I have a great time every year, I don't

1038
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 3: want it to go away. But that being said, thirty

1039
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 3: seven percent participation rate among the prospects in the actual

1040
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 3: athletic test is why it was the fastest combine of

1041
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 3: all time survivor bias one hundred percent. Absolutely thirty seven percent,

1042
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 3: and even Jeremiah was bringing up by the end of

1043
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,479
Speaker 3: the week. Yeah, and to the point at the thirty

1044
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 3: seven percent too. I would also add nobody does the

1045
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 3: agilities anymore.

1046
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: Nope, because it's it's at the very very end.

1047
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 3: And if you look at the historical data, there are

1048
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 3: positions where three code and short shuttle are like the

1049
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 3: most important thing at that position. Uh, and nobody does

1050
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 3: it anymore. Yeah, so that that's a big issue. I

1051
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 3: know you're going to love this. The Shanahan tree doesn't

1052
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 3: go McVeigh, Kyle Shanahan, Liam Cohne. I heard that Laflord,

1053
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 3: Matt Laford, the Packers like popped in for a minute

1054
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 3: and then left like he was there for like twenty

1055
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 3: four hours or something like that. So the shannanentry, which

1056
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 3: is like a third of the league practically, because they.

1057
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 2: Think they're smarter than everybody, say enough to go.

1058
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 3: The coaches and gms for those teams don't go period.

1059
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 3: So is that just a unique thing to them. Maybe

1060
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 3: the thirty seven percent participation rates not great Obviously. I

1061
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 3: don't hold it against any of the top prospects in

1062
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 3: this draft.

1063
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 2: To not work out.

1064
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 3: They don't need any draft on the tape, they don't

1065
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 3: need to have anything else to prove. There's no reason

1066
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 3: for Fernanda mendoz A to throw at the combat.

1067
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 2: You have like Day two guys not doing it.

1068
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,439
Speaker 3: You have Day two guys not doing it, and they're

1069
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 3: not doing it, and I get it, but they're not

1070
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 3: doing it because their agents are advising them. You're not

1071
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 3: going to test well, right, so why would we hurt

1072
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 3: your stock?

1073
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 2: Well, you're not gonna if you're gonna run a.

1074
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 3: Four to sixty five as a wide receiver, We're just

1075
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 3: not gonna have you run.

1076
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 2: That would be stupid on our part.

1077
00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 3: It's a problem they the event as itself is, are

1078
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 3: we getting to the point where it's kind of getting

1079
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 3: outdated and like archaic and we need to rethink it?

1080
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: And he mentioned the worst one. Yeah they got the

1081
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: arm lines wrong again. Okay, well yeah, but that's now

1082
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: like an inch and a half off for some guys.

1083
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 2: I get that.

1084
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: Forget not running. At what point are to me? To

1085
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: me the big pointman's agent's gonna say, we're not gonna

1086
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 1: have you measure in.

1087
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're at the point now where I just think

1088
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 3: the number one thing and maybe this kind of is

1089
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 3: a supplemental arguments along with its participation. Right, the big

1090
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 3: coaches and gms, A lot of those guys are sitting

1091
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 3: it out all the prospects are starting to sit it out,

1092
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 3: and we're just at the point now where I think

1093
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 3: it's just kind of losing a lot of it's luster.

1094
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 3: I think a lot of the value in the interviews

1095
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 3: and the medicals is still there. But do you need

1096
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 3: this week long, you know, parade of an event for

1097
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 3: somebody to have a doctor go in and picking proud

1098
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 3: of me, you know what I mean?

1099
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: Like, it's just every sport has some form of this.

1100
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, like Baseball has the Winter Meetings, Basketball has a Combine,

1101
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: Basketball has a combin. NHL I don't know if they do.

1102
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,919
Speaker 1: I think the NHL's is like the draft itself. Yeah,

1103
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: I think that's the it's and it's not about what

1104
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: the event is. Like Baseball, there's so much more that

1105
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: goes on at the Winter Meetings than what people think,

1106
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: Just like the Combine, there's so much more in terms

1107
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: of the industry element, the networking it. Like that's if

1108
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: you work in the NFL, whether you work for a

1109
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: team where you if you work in medical, if you

1110
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: work in the front office, if you work in media, obviously,

1111
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: like that is the big industry, like any whatever industry

1112
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: you're working out there listening, I'm sure, there's the big

1113
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 1: industry conference event whatever you want to call.

1114
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 2: It, like analytics conference.

1115
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, favorite, that's what this is for football, so you

1116
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: have to have some version of that. But maybe sure,

1117
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: what the prospect's working out?

1118
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 7: A right?

1119
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: Who else you have for downs?

1120
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 3: Malchi Fields number one down player wise four six one

1121
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 3: in the forty yard dash. I also thought what was

1122
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 3: maybe even more problematic was his agilities were bad too. Yeah,

1123
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 3: I had concerns about his top end speed watching him

1124
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 3: on tape, like his ability to stack corners on the

1125
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 3: outside and pull away from press coverage and all that

1126
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 3: good stuff. He basically typecasted himself with this workout. And

1127
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 3: this kind of goes back to my number one thing.

1128
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 3: Whoever was advising mal Chai Fields, why did you have

1129
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 3: him test? Like right, this was his number one red FLA.

1130
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: So at a certain point to it's kind of like

1131
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 1: it started to cut you off.

1132
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:22,959
Speaker 2: But that's okay.

1133
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: It's kind of like this for bowl games where players

1134
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 1: opted out, and it used to be players got knocked

1135
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: for opting out, but then it became so normalized that

1136
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: the inverse started happening and we gave players credit. We

1137
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: give players credit for participating. They were talking about the

1138
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 1: COMBA this year. A lot of guys participated this year

1139
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: in Bowl games. Yeah, are we going to hit a

1140
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: tipping point where it's well, you know, but he tested,

1141
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,720
Speaker 1: and good for him. That shows like a competitive spirit

1142
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: even in test win.

1143
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 3: I will allow for that, and I will say that

1144
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 3: I'm on that side, like if he wants to just

1145
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 3: go out there as a competitor and compete. Like, the

1146
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 3: two guys that I was really looking at for forty

1147
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,720
Speaker 3: times were him and Sarat the receiver from Indiana, Boston.

1148
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 2: Boston.

1149
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 3: I guess a little bit too, but those two guys

1150
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 3: specifically were the two guys that I was really the

1151
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 3: most concerned about in terms of top end straight line speed.

1152
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 3: Olijaa rat sat out athletic testing. Malchi Fields tested. Malachi

1153
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 3: Fields tested poorly. And when you're in a combine where

1154
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 3: everybody's running the fastest time ever and you put up

1155
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 3: a seven point five relative athletics score, like that's going

1156
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 3: to raise a red flag to me. Of Like, the

1157
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 3: one guy that didn't get a nine plus on his

1158
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 3: RAZ card was Malchai Fields. So I had concerns going

1159
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,959
Speaker 3: in about his top end speed and his play speed

1160
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 3: in general, and now I feel like we're in that

1161
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 3: Keon Coleman territory of like this is just a jump

1162
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 3: ball receiver, and you know how I feel about those

1163
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 3: kind of guys. It's just not for me, dog Like,

1164
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 3: it's just not my type of receiver. Maybe it's yours,

1165
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 3: but it's just not what I would draft, especially when

1166
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 3: there's other guys like a Chris Brazil or whoever that

1167
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 3: has speed and size, Like I just have no reason

1168
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 3: whatsoever to prioritize a guy like Fields.

1169
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 2: Sure that was nine number one, all right, Oh you

1170
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 2: want to keep going?

1171
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: All right?

1172
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 3: I had one more just because the combine was my

1173
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 3: first one. Yeah, I had Cash's howl on here.

1174
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, for the arms, the arms. So I think that

1175
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways.

1176
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 3: Sometimes what happens is is like ruben Bain's going to

1177
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 3: get all the attention for his short arms.

1178
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 2: Ruben Bain's going to be just fine.

1179
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 3: Like his tape is too good, so he's going to

1180
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 3: be a top ten, top five pick.

1181
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 2: Anyways.

1182
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, the guy that might slide because of his arms

1183
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 3: is Cash short of the band. Yeah, so his arms

1184
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 3: measured in just over thirty inches thirty point thirty.

1185
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: Shortest buy in edge rusher at the Combines's ninety nine right, Yeah,

1186
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,479
Speaker 1: so six two two fifty three thirty in a quarter

1187
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 1: inch arms, so he's a little bit undersized and all

1188
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: sorts of ways, two fifty plus is five six two

1189
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: is a little bit on the shorter side.

1190
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 3: When he just started talking about like stride length and

1191
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 3: stuff like that, and then three thirty and a quarter

1192
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 3: is really short. Now I went on a you know

1193
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 3: a bleacher Report has like some really good draft profiles,

1194
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 3: like scouting profiles.

1195
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, NFL dot com Lands their line does a job.

1196
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 2: He does them as well.

1197
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 3: Their comp for Cash's Howell on Bleacher Report is Harold Landry,

1198
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 3: and Harold Landry also has a similar build, similar measuables.

1199
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: To I keep seeing or Harold Landry and see only

1200
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: he was on the Chargers.

1201
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 2: Charger.

1202
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:18,439
Speaker 1: I was about to say this and I lost the name. Yeah,

1203
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: the other comp I keep saying seeing for Howl.

1204
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 3: So hy so with cashus Howell, he's on my downs

1205
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 3: because of how he measured. But if I'm a Patriots fan,

1206
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 3: I actually like that he's on the downs because I

1207
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 3: actually think that there's a chance now that he follows

1208
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 3: to thirty one and if he's there at thirty one.

1209
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 3: I would I think that's a home run pick. I

1210
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 3: think that's a slam dunk, like almost like run the

1211
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 3: card up there kind of pick. Because his film is

1212
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 3: top twenty in the class, and you're getting a guy

1213
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 3: just because his arms are a little bit shorter later on,

1214
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 3: and we've seen Mike Rabil work with guys like that

1215
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 3: in terms of Harold Landry, yeah, and take a guy

1216
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 3: has a little bit shorter arms but has great first

1217
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 3: step explosiveness, has great bend off the edge inside outside ability.

1218
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 3: In terms of counter there's really good instincts against the run,

1219
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 3: like has this like full profile but just has some

1220
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 3: weird dimensions. And Harold Andrews had a great career for

1221
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 3: Mike Rable. So I think that Cash is howl. If

1222
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 3: you're a Patriots fan, you're happy that he's on this list.

1223
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 3: But as a general combine takeaway, he probably hurt his

1224
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 3: stock a little bit with.

1225
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: The and we know that that's not like the biggest

1226
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: concern for them too. It was Melvin Ingram, Okay, Yeah,

1227
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: I think Melvin Ingram is a little bit more like

1228
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: barrel chested and physical, you know what I mean.

1229
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 2: Like he's a little bit more power.

1230
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 1: The build I think is very similarly the Yeah Ingram

1231
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: six two two fifty had thirty one a half in charms.

1232
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, Howel's got some of the best bend in this class.

1233
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 3: Like if you want a guy that's just gonna win

1234
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 3: with puer speed and bend off the edge and yeah,

1235
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,919
Speaker 3: you know, dip rip or ghost or whatever and you're

1236
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 3: just gonna come around the corner that that's cash is howl.

1237
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 2: He can do that. All right, We got all right?

1238
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: So my first one, I'm gonna do kind of an

1239
00:54:56,080 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: outside the boxy one. Yeah, Ty Simpson, but not Ty

1240
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: Simpson himself. Everybody talking about Ty Simpson.

1241
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 2: He's qbdo, don't you know.

1242
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: So I had flashbacks. Tell me if this sounds familiar.

1243
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: I watched Ty Simpson throw the ball through pretty well.

1244
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 2: He was he was fine, pretty well.

1245
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: The way they were talking about his throwing session, Evan,

1246
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: did you hear the commentary?

1247
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 2: It was pants off, Oh my god.

1248
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: But you also have to quarterback man weep And you

1249
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 1: know what, it brought me right back to JJ McCarthy,

1250
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: Remember the J McCarthy throwing session.

1251
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 2: He's way more accurate than jaj.

1252
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: Okay, So not comparing the players. But it was that

1253
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 1: same thing with like, why are we doing this again?

1254
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 1: Ty Simpson is six one, two hundred and ten pounds. Yeah,

1255
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: he's accurate, but he doesn't have a big arm. Yeah

1256
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: he is a like and he doesn't have the athleticism

1257
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: in that profile, right, the apex of that profiles Drew

1258
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 1: Brees obviously. Yeah, but for every Drew Brees, just how

1259
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 1: many I don't know, pick a guy under six to two.

1260
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: Like I was gonna say, Bailey's happy, but yeah, you know, so, like.

1261
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 2: Look, I think Mac is like right at six two, Ty.

1262
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: Simpson might be the second best quarterback on this draft.

1263
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: I'm really curious see what happens with saying with Taylor Green. Yeah,

1264
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: you know that athletics is unbelievable, but like, can we

1265
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: not set Ty Simpson up to fail? It's not fair

1266
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: to him. Let's call it for what it is. Maybe

1267
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,479
Speaker 1: he I don't think he should go in the first round. Yeah,

1268
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,919
Speaker 1: maybe he does. Maybe the Jets have a second pick

1269
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: and say, all right, whatever, well, you know we have

1270
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: this sexual pick. We'll take the shot. Let's just not

1271
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: make Ty Simpson into something he's not. He's not fair

1272
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 1: to him.

1273
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 3: He's fine and I understand, like this might be me

1274
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 3: being stereotyped, but like what I watched, I didn't watch

1275
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 3: him specifically.

1276
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 2: I was watching Jeremy Bernard.

1277
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yesterday another up, and I.

1278
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 3: Thought that Ty Simpson threw the ball out like Mac

1279
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 3: Jones at Alabama where he has these like pillowyed you know,

1280
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 3: when he can put some air under it so he

1281
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 3: doesn't really have to drive the ball. He throws his

1282
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 3: really good accuracy, like he's hitting guys in stride, throwing

1283
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 3: the deep ball pretty well. There was like three or

1284
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 3: four times where Jeremy Bernard was opening in the far

1285
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 3: hash flat, like he's not there quarterbacks throwing from the

1286
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,439
Speaker 3: far hash. Bernard's in the flat and he just can't

1287
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 3: get it there, Like he just short arms it and

1288
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 3: just bounce it throws a ground ball to Bernard. Those

1289
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 3: are the times where you're like, okay, like this is

1290
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 3: where these limitations are. But if you're I'm telling you, like,

1291
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 3: if you're one of these coaches in the Shanahan tree

1292
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 3: that is likes that kind of guy, you know, we're

1293
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 3: talking about again a Brock party, you know that that

1294
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins. Like all you're gonna do is We're just

1295
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 3: gonna put you in a system. It's gonna operate on

1296
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 3: its own. It's gonna have a lot of play action,

1297
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 3: a lot of window dressing. And you know, Jimmy Garoppolo, right, like,

1298
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 3: you're just gonna make these throws.

1299
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 2: And I think Ty Simpson could do.

1300
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: I think he can. I see the picture. It's again,

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Speaker 1: Mike Down is not Ty Simpson.

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Speaker 2: It's just it's a commentary about time.

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Speaker 1: Let's we we just did this.

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Speaker 2: He just did this with J. J. McCarthy. He's a

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Speaker 2: classic system quarter. It's not fair to him. Let's not

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Speaker 2: make him into something.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, did you see what it is

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a higher floor than JAJ Really

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Speaker 1: I do. Did you see one of the teams that

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Speaker 1: they they said might be Ty Simpson the Vikings? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean that makes total sense. It makes total sense.

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Speaker 1: But it's also very funny to me. But like so

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Speaker 1: like KOs.

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Speaker 2: Would turn Time Simpson into a decent NFL starter.

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Speaker 1: But like the efficiency the NFL career, the efficiency would

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Speaker 1: be driven up by all everything else, but like he

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Speaker 1: would like be functional. And again, I want to be clear,

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Speaker 1: because this happened last time. I didn't hate I didn't

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Speaker 1: have anything against J. Mcarthy. Didn't hate J. McCarthy. I

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Speaker 1: hated the way he was talked about. It's going to

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Speaker 1: happen again and it's gonna be annoying.

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Speaker 2: Okay, who's next.

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Speaker 1: Next is Miles Kitchelman, the tight end from Tennessee. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: ran like a four nine forty. It just yelled what

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Speaker 1: the afterwards like he knew it was it was. It's

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Speaker 1: less a down, it's more of.

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Speaker 2: A it was. It was a moment.

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Speaker 1: It's a moment. It's a for him having a down.

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Speaker 1: So I just I don't again, it's tough to do

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Speaker 1: downs for the combine. Yeah, you know he go watch,

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Speaker 1: go watch his forty went kind of it's unfortunate for

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Speaker 1: him in that port viral he did not have a great,

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Speaker 1: great combine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then my third one, my third one was going

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Speaker 1: to be hel with the short arms, so that might

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Speaker 1: that might cover it for me or you know, I'll

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Speaker 1: kind of similar, uh, because is a tremendously tremendously down.

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Speaker 1: The football player would have made a ton of money

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Speaker 1: as a tackle. He's probably just too undersized. And I

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Speaker 1: know you didn't say about Campbell Letcher, it's like a

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Speaker 1: full inch difference.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I wonder I think his best position in

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Speaker 3: the NFL might be center. I could see it, and

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Speaker 3: that might actually maximize like the value in terms of

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Speaker 3: you know, he's making the calls and he's doing all

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Speaker 3: this other stuff.

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Speaker 2: This smart players is.

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Speaker 1: The center and go in the first round.

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Speaker 8: In this.

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Speaker 1: It's so tough because he's six on the consensus board.

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Speaker 2: Un Yeah, he's super talented, and there's.

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Speaker 1: Some people say no, he's still going to go top ten,

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Speaker 1: some people saying he won't go in the first round. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so he he's a wild The whole tackle offensive line

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Speaker 1: board was hard enough to project as it is because

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Speaker 1: let me ask you this. So, okay, let's say he

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Speaker 1: is an interior player, right, is he a better interior

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Speaker 1: player than Ione? Probably better pass blocker, But like, who

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Speaker 1: would you take first? So my point is.

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Speaker 2: If he probably take Fano?

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Speaker 3: Okay, I think that his ceiling as a guard is

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Speaker 3: going to be extremely high because of his pass blocking

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Speaker 3: ability inside, and I think that he's got enough power

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Speaker 3: to probably survive in terms of run game stuff.

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Speaker 5: Ye, Like.

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Speaker 3: He's a Vegas a great player. He's he's just a

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Speaker 3: great finisher. Like he's just a great one blocker. I

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Speaker 3: think the pass blocking is average.

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Speaker 1: The point being is, if you put I think it's

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Speaker 1: Fano I've been saying for Fano. If you put Fano

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Speaker 1: in the interior conversation instead of the tackle conversation, he's

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Speaker 1: he's he's number one, Okay, So all right, so then

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Speaker 1: that maybe he doesn't knock him down quite as much. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: then the arm measurements from how basically.

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Speaker 2: So this worked out perfectly.

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Speaker 3: I want to do the first hour on the draft

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Speaker 3: in the second hour on free agency.

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Speaker 3: let's get to the calls. I know you guys have

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Speaker 3: been waiting. Patty, you are in Agawam.

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Speaker 2: What's up? Patty?

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Speaker 7: Hey? What's going on?

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Speaker 2: Joe?

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Speaker 7: So I wanted to always talk about a couple of things.

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Speaker 7: The first thing I've I've watched Gardi and he had

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Speaker 7: on his uh oh a Will Parkinson who we used

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01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:39,479
Speaker 7: to do his podcast with Funkinson was saying something about

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Speaker 7: cutting Hunter Henry and saving money. And I was like,

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Speaker 7: where the hell is this guy getting this from? And

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Speaker 7: why would it ever make sense to cut the only

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Speaker 7: like real viable tight end that you have on your

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Speaker 7: team this year? But just go just looking forward towards

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Speaker 7: the draft, regardless of what happens in free agency. Last year,

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Speaker 7: you remember one day we ask ask you know, Elliott

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Speaker 7: and Mike Rabel and Cowden. They were asked about what

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Speaker 7: their kind of their plan was and they said, you know,

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Speaker 7: we have this paraphrase and we have a young quarterback.

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Speaker 7: We want to you know, protect them and give them

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Speaker 7: some good options, you know. And what did they do

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Speaker 7: their first four picks. They took two offensive linemen, a

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Speaker 7: running back and a wide receiver. You heard Elliott and

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Speaker 7: Mike both stay that edge is a position a need. Now,

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Speaker 7: this isn't the Bill Park, I'm sorry, the Bill Belichick

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Speaker 7: regime where Bill might talk out of both sides of

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Speaker 7: his mouth or just not even say a damn thing

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Speaker 7: at all. Right, I think generally, regardless of what they

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Speaker 7: do in free agency, like even if I think if

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Speaker 7: they even double up on like maybe like a splash

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Speaker 7: guy and then like a veteran guy on the edge,

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Speaker 7: I think, regardless they're taking an edge with the first pick,

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Speaker 7: even if they I don't see them moving up. But

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Speaker 7: if they stay at thirty one, or if they're they

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Speaker 7: trade down like early in the day two. And I

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Speaker 7: just wanted to get your guys' thoughts on that, and Alex, well,

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Speaker 7: it's for both of you. I know, Alex, you watch

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Speaker 7: a lot of a lot of these guys. How come

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Speaker 7: nobody's talking about Kaden Curry. And the only reason why

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Speaker 7: I'm asking is, look at the raw numbers, they look good.

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Speaker 7: I haven't looked at any of the advanced stuff beyond CFF,

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Speaker 7: but I'm guessing like he had a ninety plus PFF grade.

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Speaker 7: So I'm guessing that the NERD numbers, but the advanced

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Speaker 7: metric numbers look good on them too. And those are

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Speaker 7: my two questions. I'll take them off there, and you

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Speaker 7: guys are the best.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Pat, thanks for the call.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no doubt that Rabel and Elliott Wolf were

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Speaker 3: Lockstep and edg Rusher being Yeah, probably they're top need.

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Speaker 1: The only thing I wonder, because of how deep this

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Speaker 1: class is, if they get it, Like if they don't

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Speaker 1: get a guy in freeency, that's gonna be the first

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Speaker 1: round pick. Yeah, right, But if they can sign one

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Speaker 1: of those guys the top of the market they've been

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Speaker 1: linked to, I think everybody at this point Hendrickson O right,

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Speaker 1: Mafe Right. You know, do they look at it and say,

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Speaker 1: all right, like that can be our second round pick,

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Speaker 1: our third round pick?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I think that, you know, this is more of a

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Speaker 3: we're talking about this yesterday. Check out these things where

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Speaker 3: you know, when they needed edge rushers, he double dip

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Speaker 3: in the draft and he'd take josh U j And

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Speaker 3: and Ferny Jennings right or when they needed tight ends

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Speaker 3: it didn't work out, but he would take Austin Ossi

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Speaker 3: and Keene right like he would double dip at these positions.

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Speaker 3: I could see the Patriots doing that at edge. I

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Speaker 3: could also see them doing it at tight end, where

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Speaker 3: they draft more of like a bigger blocking style tight

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Speaker 3: end and a receiving tight end and they try to,

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Speaker 3: you know, see which one kind of wins out. I'm

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Speaker 3: with I don't see any real path to Hunter Henry

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01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 3: being cut not on the team in twenty six.

1517
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 1: It's it's just this time of year you're here in

1518
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: questions about.

1519
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 3: I would also just like mention with Hunter Henry really quickly.

1520
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 3: I would say, besides maybe Will Campbell, who was a

1521
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 3: little bit closer in age, Hunter Henry might be Drake

1522
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:50,439
Speaker 3: May's best friend on the entire team. So I would

1523
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 3: be really really surprised if they moved on from Hunter

1524
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 3: Henry this offseason. I think that a they don't really

1525
01:07:57,480 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 3: have anything behind him, so that would make no sense

1526
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 3: from a rock construction standpoint. But also you have to

1527
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 3: be careful, you know with your superstar quarterback right and

1528
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 3: trading away all his friends as well, Hunter Henry and him.

1529
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 3: You know, Hunter Henry has been kind of like a

1530
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 3: big brother mentor to Drake May. They're they're really tight.

1531
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 3: So I'd be pretty surprised if if Hunter Henry's on

1532
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:18,599
Speaker 3: the move. Do you have anything about the King Curry?

1533
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1534
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:23,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, push down for a couple of reasons.

1535
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 1: It's a really good edge class, so you know, everybody's

1536
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 1: kind of knocked down the board a little bit. Only

1537
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:33,679
Speaker 1: one real year of production, didn't really play before this year.

1538
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 1: When you look at the defense he was playing with,

1539
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 1: like there's you know, yeah, he put up big numbers.

1540
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 1: Did he earn the big numbers? Or was he the

1541
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 1: guy nobody was paying attention to because you have to

1542
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 1: worry about r VL Reese and Sunny Styles and Caleb

1543
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 1: downs and like all these different Was he kind of

1544
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 1: the one that got lost in the wash? So, you know,

1545
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 1: not a bad player, but I don't didn't he's expected

1546
01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 1: to go like middle of day three. I think that's

1547
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 1: probably about right. I don't think he's being slept on.

1548
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 1: I don't think he's being underrated. I don't think he's overrated.

1549
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:04,640
Speaker 1: I think he's about where he should be.

1550
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 2: Okay, let's take one more call here.

1551
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 3: Then I want to get to our or two more calls,

1552
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:10,799
Speaker 3: and I want to get to our exercise.

1553
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 2: Here. Zach is in New Hampshire. What's up, Zach?

1554
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:17,679
Speaker 10: Hey, guys, thanks taking my call. Just wanted to share

1555
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 10: a couple of things. First, one of my favorite draft

1556
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 10: traditions is watching Evan's reaction to the cold strange pick.

1557
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 2: It forever second. And I was right about it too,

1558
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 2: so it just kind of it makes me feel good too.

1559
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's a good point. I just I was just

1560
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:39,919
Speaker 10: wondering what you guys saw in in Denzel Boston.

1561
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 5: Evan.

1562
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 10: I know you said you like the speedier, better separators,

1563
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 10: and even though Drake may like's thrown to the to

1564
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 10: the big guys like Matt Collins. I was just wondering,

1565
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 10: you know, if he's kind of a key on Coleman

1566
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 10: two point zero, or if you'd want somebody else over

1567
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 10: him in the draft or just trade stuff like that. Thanks, guys,

1568
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 10: I appreciate it.

1569
01:09:57,680 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 2: Thanks Zach.

1570
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 3: I actually I've surprisingly was okay with Denzel Boston, like

1571
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 3: he if they drafted Denzel Boston, I could see the vision.

1572
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 3: I think he's a little bit different than Keon Coleman

1573
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 3: because I do think that he separates enough. You know,

1574
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:13,679
Speaker 3: especially when you're talking about guys that play on the outside,

1575
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 3: you want to see guys that separate early in the route,

1576
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 3: even though they might end up in a contested situation,

1577
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:20,639
Speaker 3: if they can win the leverage battle at the line

1578
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 3: of scrimmage and then get guys like kind of on

1579
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 3: their hip in the right direction that way there, like

1580
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 3: you present like a clear target to the quarterback of like, okay,

1581
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 3: I'm leading him on this one, I'm back shouldering him,

1582
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 3: I'm throwing him inside, like whatever the case may be.

1583
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 3: And I thought Denzel Boston did enough in terms of that,

1584
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 3: Like he's not a pure separator. He's not like Casey

1585
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:43,799
Speaker 3: conceptsi own er Omar Cooper is like breaking away from people.

1586
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:47,679
Speaker 3: But he's got that sort of big body X separation ability,

1587
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 3: and then he's just fantastic at the catch point, like

1588
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:55,480
Speaker 3: super strong hands you know, ten of thirteen in contested situations.

1589
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:57,680
Speaker 3: You know, just really really good in that regard. But

1590
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 3: everybody hears that it is like, oh, it's a contested catch.

1591
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:04,599
Speaker 2: Guy. He only had thirteen contested targets. That's not very many.

1592
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 2: You know.

1593
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 3: Most of the time the guy's near the top of

1594
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 3: CFB and contested targets are thirty plus contested targets. So

1595
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:14,720
Speaker 3: he was really good on his contested targets. But he

1596
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 3: actually separated a decent amount to not have a ton

1597
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 3: of those, right, So I thought that he impressed me,

1598
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:20,680
Speaker 3: you know.

1599
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 2: And another thing just quickly with him, like he.

1600
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 3: He kind of has that modern X where like he

1601
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 3: can line up condensed and he can line up in

1602
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 3: the slot a little bit and block and like hold

1603
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 3: his own in there, sort of like what Matt Collins

1604
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 3: did for the Patriots last year. And that's been more

1605
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 3: and more popular now, especially with all the condensed or

1606
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 3: tight formations that all these offenses are using. That's like

1607
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 3: the new thing, right, Like if you line up in

1608
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:48,879
Speaker 3: tight to the formation and a condensed bunch and block somebody,

1609
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 3: And I think Denzel Boston can do those types of things.

1610
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you say something else or did I does that?

1611
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:56,640
Speaker 1: The thing about thee.

1612
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was you know a classic Randy is

1613
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:02,679
Speaker 2: in Providence. Is that brandy he to go on guys.

1614
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 5: Hey, So just a couple of things on guys that

1615
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 5: kind of from the combine moved or guys that you mentioned.

1616
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 5: Number one, you guys talked about Akeenator. We gotta stop

1617
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 5: talking about him as a first round pick. That kid

1618
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 5: is twenty five years old. He's gonna be thirty years

1619
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 5: old at the end of his rookie contract. I don't

1620
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 5: think he's someone that you can draft in the first

1621
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:25,679
Speaker 5: round at that age, especially he just started playing football

1622
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 5: like five minutes ago. He's a developmental raw prospect that's old.

1623
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 5: It's a bad combination for a first round pick. But

1624
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,680
Speaker 5: Blake Miller, on the other hand, I think they draft him.

1625
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:37,879
Speaker 5: I think he could start right away at right tackle,

1626
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 5: and Moses kind of played like a swing tackle backup mentor.

1627
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 5: He seemed to take a lot of veteran days last year.

1628
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys think he would embrace

1629
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 5: that kind of role. And then when you guys are

1630
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 5: talking about downs from the combine, our Mason Thomas has

1631
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 5: got to be on that list for me. He came

1632
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 5: in light, short armed, small hands, which small hands to

1633
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 5: me is kind of a singing the red flag anyway,

1634
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 5: but he was really average get off too. Like pre

1635
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 5: this he was kind of build as like, well, he'll

1636
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 5: be sure, but he's got great get off, and then

1637
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 5: he didn't. It was subpart of anything. And then Patty

1638
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,839
Speaker 5: had mentioned kayten Curry the shortest arms at the combine

1639
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:21,680
Speaker 5: of Vannie Dgris. That's that's another down on him. I

1640
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 5: wonder what you guys think about Jacob Rodriguez. Do you

1641
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 5: think he could be in play for us? Maybe not

1642
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 5: in the first round, but in the second round if

1643
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:30,680
Speaker 5: he's still on the clock. I think he'd be an upgrade.

1644
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 5: And then one last thing is Malaka Fields. I've been

1645
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 5: really high on him, but I feel like there's too

1646
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 5: many red flags. He's got very small hands less than

1647
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:42,639
Speaker 5: nine inches, and the bad forty and ten yards split

1648
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 5: like Steed was never his thing, but I was hoping

1649
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 5: for a higher base line. I like Lane more for

1650
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 5: this uh, this team, the kid out of USC What

1651
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:53,479
Speaker 5: do you guys think?

1652
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, a good call, lady, Yeah, I didn't realize that

1653
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 1: old yeah, yeah, older prospect, that that is an older

1654
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 1: raw prospect is a little bit concerning. I would agree

1655
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 1: with Dad, because then you're thinking, what twenty six, twenty

1656
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 1: seven years old before he really hits his stride. It's

1657
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 1: a it's a valid point.

1658
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:16,799
Speaker 3: Who was the other guy that he mentioned that I No.

1659
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 2: I don't or Mason Thomas.

1660
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:21,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I consider that he only he only ran

1661
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 3: the forty, so it wasn't a lot of his athletic testing.

1662
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 2: I he was on my list of guys that.

1663
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 3: I was like not down on, but also was like

1664
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 3: kind of that middle of like I was kind of

1665
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 3: expecting to see a little bit more. You know, he's

1666
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 3: somebody that is really highly touted for his first step explosiveness,

1667
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 3: his speed off the edge, his hustle, his motor to

1668
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 3: chase the ball down. Like there's one play that he

1669
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 3: had against Auburn where he runs like forty yards down

1670
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 3: the field to tackle a guy. Like those are the

1671
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 3: types of things that you see that you hear and

1672
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 3: see about him. And he was just okay, you know,

1673
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 3: like he moved fine, so I could hear what he's.

1674
01:14:59,160 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 2: Saying on that.

1675
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 3: I'm not out out, but thirty one is probably a

1676
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:06,679
Speaker 3: little bit rich, Like he's probably a second round pick. Yeah,

1677
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:09,679
Speaker 3: all right, let's do this little exercise and we'll wrap

1678
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 3: it up. With the people that just are calling in.

1679
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 2: Now.

1680
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 3: I wanted to kind of do this as like an

1681
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 3: inner out thing, but then I realized after the first couple,

1682
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 3: it's kind of more of like, here's a cluster of edgereshers,

1683
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 3: which one would you take?

1684
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 8: You know?

1685
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 3: So let's just start with the obvious one. And I

1686
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 3: want to ask a favor somebody in the YouTube comments.

1687
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 3: When the show is posted, people are going to want

1688
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 3: to know when we talked about Alec Pierce, right.

1689
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 2: So this is when we're going to talk about Alec Pierce.

1690
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 2: I'll tell you where we're at an hour.

1691
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 3: So just put like a timestamp. Yeah, so put a

1692
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 3: little timestamp in the YouTube chat. We'd really appreciate that.

1693
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 3: Alec Pierce right now, he just went on what was it?

1694
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 3: Which ESPN property? Did he just call it?

1695
01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 8: No?

1696
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 1: K Adams?

1697
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:58,680
Speaker 3: He went on Katams, not ESPN. He went on k

1698
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:03,759
Speaker 3: Adams and and said that he's going to test the market.

1699
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:07,880
Speaker 3: That is, owes it to himself, owes it to earn

1700
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 3: the right to you know perfectly well said right at

1701
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 3: this point, you're not going to tag me? Why wouldn't

1702
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:15,880
Speaker 3: I just at least on Monday, take some calls and

1703
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 3: see what what kind of market is out there, because

1704
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 3: he's going to have a hell of a market. So

1705
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 3: right now, this is based off of projections from over

1706
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 3: the cap. Uh, they're looking at a twenty four million

1707
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 3: dollars per year AAV over four years. I'm going to

1708
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 3: round up and say twenty five million. So one hundred

1709
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 3: million dollar contract for Alan Pierce on Alec Pierce, are

1710
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 3: you iner you out?

1711
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think I'm in a right. I think I'll

1712
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:44,880
Speaker 1: still believe it when I see it, even though he

1713
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 1: said that he's always going to say that the middle

1714
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 1: of negotiating contract. I don't think he's the level of

1715
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 1: player some people are making out to be, but I

1716
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:55,640
Speaker 1: think his fit with Drake may makes it worth it.

1717
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:58,679
Speaker 1: You know, probably something I don't know. They go about

1718
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 1: like twenty seven million yere, which is not that much

1719
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 1: money for wide receiver at this point, but like, I

1720
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 1: just think he's such a good fit with what Drake

1721
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:08,559
Speaker 1: mat does. You put him over the top, digs underneath

1722
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 1: and it's you know, it's not about collecting talent, it's

1723
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 1: about building a team. Alec Pierce fits in and builds

1724
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 1: a team. Pulled the reverse card on you and ask

1725
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:19,639
Speaker 1: you something yes, let's say the Colts resign Alec Peers. Yes,

1726
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 1: maybe even before Maybe you just kind of get the

1727
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 1: idea through back channels that they're going to get a

1728
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 1: deal done before March ninth. Alec Pearce and Michael pittman

1729
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 1: are very redundant, and Michael Pittman's not making insignificant money.

1730
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:33,639
Speaker 1: I think it's eighteen million. Do you call the Colts

1731
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:36,720
Speaker 1: with a low ball offer for Michael Pittman basically saying,

1732
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:38,840
Speaker 1: all right, we know you're going to resign Alec Pierce,

1733
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 1: but you're trying to make the money work to do it.

1734
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:43,200
Speaker 1: We'll take Michael Pittman off your hands for pennies on

1735
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 1: the dollar, so you free up the money to resign

1736
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 1: Alec Peers. So it's not me saying I'd rather have

1737
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 1: Pittman than Pierce, to be saying, if you know, Peerce

1738
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:54,480
Speaker 1: isn't attainable, like as a logical pivot.

1739
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 3: I've always liked Pittman. Yeah, right, Crojan, I'd always liked

1740
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 3: that Pitton. He's more of an intermediate guy than he

1741
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 3: is a deep thread though, like his specialty. Pittman's is

1742
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 3: like I'm gonna run like the deep dig better than

1743
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 3: anybody right like that. That's I think really his calling card.

1744
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:13,600
Speaker 3: Pittman or Piers excuse me, is a true take the

1745
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 3: top off the defense kind of guy. I'm with you

1746
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 3: in terms of would I do that, Would I like

1747
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 3: kick the tires on Pittman?

1748
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely.

1749
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 3: If this is how it goes and they end up

1750
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 3: having to make Pittman expendable.

1751
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 2: Sure yeah I would.

1752
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 3: I this again, I think Pittman is more of like

1753
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:31,559
Speaker 3: a high volume like didn't have like one hundred catches

1754
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 3: like last year or two years ago quarterback. Yeah, Like

1755
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 3: so he's more of like that kind of guy. You know,

1756
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 3: he's a little bit more of a chain mover versus

1757
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 3: a deep threat like Alec Pierce. You mentioned what I

1758
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 3: think is just the nail on the head with al Pierce.

1759
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:51,440
Speaker 3: It's not that Alc Pierce is in the upper eenchalt

1760
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:55,599
Speaker 3: of NFL receivers where he's probably gonna be contract wise

1761
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:57,960
Speaker 3: if he hits the open market, he's going to be

1762
01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 3: in a tier receivers that I don't think from a

1763
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:05,519
Speaker 3: pay structure standpoint, he's quite at like probably looking at

1764
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 3: something like around where t Higgins got.

1765
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 1: You know, if he gets twenty seven, let's see he

1766
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:11,600
Speaker 1: gets twenty seven a year, right, Yeah, so I have that.

1767
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 1: This is just over the cap I sorted by AVA one, two, three, four, five,

1768
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:18,800
Speaker 1: six seven. There's seven wide receivers getting thirty million a

1769
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 1: year plus right now.

1770
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 2: But keep in mind like JSN is not paid yet.

1771
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 1: JSS not paid yet. Yeah, and then some guys have

1772
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 1: paid this offseason.

1773
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's Pooka paid yet new right, so like there's

1774
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 3: some guys that just aren't.

1775
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:34,599
Speaker 1: Quite So here's here's in theory, who's getting around. We're

1776
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:36,760
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna go from twenty nine to twenty five

1777
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:40,919
Speaker 1: because that's probably Pierce's range. Yes, Terry McLaurin, T. Higgins,

1778
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle, DJ Moore, George Pickens. That's gonna change, uh,

1779
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams that my uh, DeVonta Smith, Nico Collins, Nico

1780
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 1: Collins at twenty four. Yeah, so and then Michael Pittman

1781
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:54,720
Speaker 1: is next.

1782
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 3: So the contract, you know you mentioned him in that group. Yeah,

1783
01:19:57,960 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 3: to me, the contract, just the guys above.

1784
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,599
Speaker 1: The guys in the thirty plus range are Ayuk mom

1785
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 1: and Raw, AJ Brown, Garrett Wilson, DK Metcalf, Seeding Lamb,

1786
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson and then Chase is obviously getting forty per.

1787
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:13,759
Speaker 3: Okay, So if I'm Al Pierce's agent playing the player's

1788
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 3: side for a second, T Higgins is four years, one

1789
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 3: hundred and fifteen million at twenty eight point seventy five

1790
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 3: is what I'm shooting for. I think that that's the

1791
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 3: contract that I'm shooting for.

1792
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 1: See forty million guaranteed.

1793
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:26,640
Speaker 3: Is he as good as T Higgins? No, he's not

1794
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 3: as good as T Higgins deals last year. This deal

1795
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:30,759
Speaker 3: was last year, and it wasn't on the open market.

1796
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:34,240
Speaker 3: It was a it was a resigned extension with a

1797
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 3: rookie extension with it.

1798
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:37,839
Speaker 2: Was a stronger wide receiver market to that offseason.

1799
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 3: So that's what I would say, Alec Peerce is probably

1800
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 3: ceiling is on the open market is twenty eight point

1801
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 3: seventy five.

1802
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:47,720
Speaker 2: It's a little rich for the type of player. If

1803
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 2: you want to.

1804
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 3: Make the case that that's what happens in free agency,

1805
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 3: you overpay a little bit. I can understand where you're

1806
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:57,080
Speaker 3: coming from. To an extent. The thing that you mentioned, though,

1807
01:20:57,080 --> 01:20:59,599
Speaker 3: that I think is what really makes the difference here.

1808
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 3: It's not just is he as good as aman Ross

1809
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:07,320
Speaker 3: Saint Brown? Is he as good as Jalen Waddle, it's

1810
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 3: what is the vision for him in this offense?

1811
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 2: And when you put a.

1812
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 3: Guy that led the league and yards per catch, that

1813
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:16,880
Speaker 3: had twelve plays of twenty plus yards last year with

1814
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:20,840
Speaker 3: bad quarterback player Daniel Jones, and you put him with

1815
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 3: maybe the best deep ball thrower in the NFL and

1816
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:28,120
Speaker 3: Drake May, you are marrying perfectly quarterback and skill set

1817
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 3: of receiver. Like, you can't really get it much better

1818
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 3: than that. So this is a guy that had a

1819
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:36,160
Speaker 3: thousand yards playing with Daniel Jones and the corpse of

1820
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:39,280
Speaker 3: Philip Rivers. Now imagine him playing with the MVP runner

1821
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 3: up who just so happens to throw the best deep

1822
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:41,719
Speaker 3: ball in the league.

1823
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:42,040
Speaker 1: Right.

1824
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 3: But you're just talking about a guy that I think

1825
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 3: could really marry son to.

1826
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:48,719
Speaker 1: Make each other better. They're going to make each other better.

1827
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:51,120
Speaker 2: You have digs underneath and in the middle of the

1828
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 2: field you have Alec Pierce over the top. It's not

1829
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:57,800
Speaker 2: just looking at the contract in the vacuum of is

1830
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:00,679
Speaker 2: he worked this relative to the rest to the league.

1831
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 2: It's first of all, like it's an open market, so

1832
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:06,960
Speaker 2: like you have to be the highest bidder and you

1833
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:10,679
Speaker 2: have to win that negotiation. Second of all, it's what's

1834
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:13,840
Speaker 2: the best stylistic fit with Drake May. And this is

1835
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 2: why in the draft when we start talking about draft receivers,

1836
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:18,839
Speaker 2: this is why I keep talking about up Chris Brazl

1837
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 2: and all these other guys, because I want a six

1838
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 2: foot four four four speed kind of receiver to give

1839
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:27,839
Speaker 2: to Drake May. And this isn't that just Daalak Pierce,

1840
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:30,800
Speaker 2: but just approven known commodity in the league.

1841
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 3: Already, he's only what twenty five years old on top

1842
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:38,000
Speaker 3: of this as well six so like he's young, he's

1843
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:38,559
Speaker 3: a sending.

1844
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:40,920
Speaker 2: He's hitting the prime of his career.

1845
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 1: Turns twenty six in May. It just to me, this

1846
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:45,719
Speaker 1: is a no brainer. It's a It's a no brainer.

1847
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:48,880
Speaker 3: And I don't really see a whole lot of flaws

1848
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 3: in his profile in terms of the type of receiver

1849
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 3: that he is. If you want to ask, like he

1850
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 3: is he in the you know, obviously he's not in

1851
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:58,960
Speaker 3: the Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson JSA.

1852
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 1: So let me give you another and I've heard this

1853
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 1: one Matt Dollf who I work with A ninety eight

1854
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 1: five through this out, he actually had two contract comps.

1855
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:07,840
Speaker 1: One was Devonte Smith. I think the better one is

1856
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:11,559
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams. Yeah, also twenty five years old. Also more

1857
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 1: of a deep threat guy than a volume guy.

1858
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 2: He's a little bit more physical than Jamison Williams is.

1859
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 1: I'm not a contract comps, Okay, So in terms of

1860
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 1: like how you're gonna put the player profile of how

1861
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:25,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna pay him three years eighty three million dollars

1862
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 1: with sixty six guaranteed, So it's like twenty six to

1863
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:29,040
Speaker 1: six a year.

1864
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:30,680
Speaker 3: Right, So I would think his agent would want that

1865
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 3: fourth year, right either way.

1866
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 1: So that's right. But I'll say this too about the

1867
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 1: thing about the contract. And I know nobody wants to

1868
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:38,880
Speaker 1: hear this because they want to nitpick and it sounds

1869
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 1: like I'm making excuses for teams or whatever. No, it's

1870
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 1: just reality of it. Can you think of one instant

1871
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 1: seven Yeah, outside of age, because people are gonna come

1872
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:51,719
Speaker 1: right at me with digs outside of age. One instance

1873
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 1: where somebody signed a contract in free agency played well,

1874
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 1: but people were still like, yeah, I don't know, I

1875
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 1: still think they paid him too much. No, Like the

1876
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:03,759
Speaker 1: whole thing about well, what's the value of the contract

1877
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 1: to me? You have to be able to fit all

1878
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 1: the math in the salary cap obviously, but like gonna

1879
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:09,559
Speaker 1: go to cap can be maneuvered.

1880
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Richard Millton objectively.

1881
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 1: Objectively, Yeah, they overpaid for Milton Williams last year, they

1882
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:19,360
Speaker 1: paid They Milton Williams contract at the time it was

1883
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 1: signed was for more money than he probably should have

1884
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 1: been worth. If you break it down, is anybody gonna

1885
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 1: is anybody brought that up in the last year.

1886
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:29,200
Speaker 2: No, and they shouldn't.

1887
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:31,120
Speaker 1: They shouldn't because he's playing his ass off.

1888
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 3: It reminds me a little bit of the Milton Williams

1889
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:38,719
Speaker 3: situation too, where like Withindy you mentioned Pittman. Obviously, Jonathan

1890
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:42,360
Speaker 3: Taylor is the engine. Jonathan Josh Downs is there. Yeah,

1891
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 3: Tyler Warren was there now last year. So there's a

1892
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:47,679
Speaker 3: lot of MOUs defeat in that offense, Like he's gonna

1893
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 3: come here and I've heard the volume held against him,

1894
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 3: the fact that he was only has only forty seven catches, which,

1895
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 3: by the way, if you have a thousand yards on

1896
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 3: forty seven catches, imagine if instead of eighty eight targets,

1897
01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:00,720
Speaker 3: he has like one hundred and twenty targets. Next, y ye, right,

1898
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 3: Like now that production is just going to go up

1899
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:04,680
Speaker 3: and up and up. That's the difference between him being

1900
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:08,480
Speaker 3: in New England and him potentially being in Indianapolis. Indianapolis

1901
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:10,679
Speaker 3: has been built around Jonathan Taylor in the run game,

1902
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:12,519
Speaker 3: Like they're a run first offense. They don't have a

1903
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 3: ton of volume to spread around to their receivers. So

1904
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:18,519
Speaker 3: out here, Yeah, I think we're both on the same page.

1905
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 3: I don't think it would be a gross overpay, and

1906
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 3: I think that the fit with Drake May would just

1907
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:26,880
Speaker 3: be outstanding, And I really couldn't think of another. I

1908
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:28,760
Speaker 3: don't think that this type of receiver. This is my

1909
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 3: last point, then you can finish up. I don't think

1910
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 3: that this type of receiver hits unrestricted free agency too

1911
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 3: often ascending.

1912
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:37,680
Speaker 1: Still, I still think we're gonna get rug pulled like

1913
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:38,720
Speaker 1: Ronnie Stanley last year.

1914
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:41,800
Speaker 3: Well if maybe he's doing that as a negotiation ploint,

1915
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:43,640
Speaker 3: but he's right, like why would he not test the

1916
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 3: market at this point he's like four or five days

1917
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 3: away from it, Like, why would you decide to sign now?

1918
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:53,920
Speaker 3: The the fit, the stylistic fit of what they need.

1919
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 3: It was also, you know, very very good last year

1920
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:00,479
Speaker 3: against press coverage eighty first percentile sex rate, that's rate

1921
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:03,720
Speaker 3: against press coverage. So you have all these different things

1922
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 3: that add up to this is a really good fit

1923
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 3: in your offense and a really good fit with your quarterback.

1924
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:11,760
Speaker 3: So you maybe have to pay him. You know, maybe

1925
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 3: he's a twenty four million dollar receiver and you end

1926
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:15,200
Speaker 3: up paying him twenty eight.

1927
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:21,439
Speaker 1: Yeah. And again to go back to the what I

1928
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:23,679
Speaker 1: was saying before about the money, the way the cap

1929
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:26,719
Speaker 1: goes up every year, like none of these, the contract

1930
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 1: only ages poorly if the player doesn't play well.

1931
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't anticipate that.

1932
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:32,160
Speaker 1: And if you so like if you say, if you

1933
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 1: have a football reason, if you want to say Alec

1934
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:36,760
Speaker 1: Pierce is not gonna play well in New England for this,

1935
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:39,040
Speaker 1: that or the other thing. You know, like you said,

1936
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:40,680
Speaker 1: he has all his talent around him in Indy when

1937
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 1: he's the guy, maybe he struggles more. We can absolutely

1938
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 1: have that conversation. Yeah, if you're gonna say, yeah, I mean,

1939
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:49,680
Speaker 1: I think he'll play well, but I don't think the

1940
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 1: contract relates. With no contract outside of guys getting old,

1941
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 1: which Pierce is going his age twenty six season, no

1942
01:26:57,479 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 1: contract has ever aged poorly with the player playing well.

1943
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 1: I just I really can't think of an instance where

1944
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 1: that's happened. Yeah, especially in the NFL with how much

1945
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 1: the cap goes up year to year. So I'm you know,

1946
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 1: if you think he's worth twenty four and I him

1947
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:11,640
Speaker 1: twenty eight to get it done, fine, I wouldn't give

1948
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 1: him forty because now you're just throwing a whole thing

1949
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 1: at a whack. Right, you still got to have you

1950
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 1: don't want to look to be a pushover to agents, Right,

1951
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 1: you got to negotiate with other players, But like I

1952
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:26,560
Speaker 1: don't know, would they are. They probably gonna have to

1953
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:30,760
Speaker 1: pay more than I think he's worth to get him here. Yeah,

1954
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 1: but I don't really have a problem with that. Yeah,

1955
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:36,160
Speaker 1: because it just if you play again, just imagine like

1956
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 1: nobody nobody cares that Milton Williams contract was worth more

1957
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 1: than he probably was worth on the open market. May

1958
01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 1: he was going to go to the Panthers and they

1959
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:44,040
Speaker 1: up the offer is worth more than they thought he

1960
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 1: was worth.

1961
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:47,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it worked out when you just again, like

1962
01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 3: from a fit perspective, it's nothing. It's no disrespect to

1963
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:53,240
Speaker 3: Kishan Boody and Matt Collins, who both are really good

1964
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:53,919
Speaker 3: for the Patriots.

1965
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:56,400
Speaker 2: Last year. But you saw the.

1966
01:27:56,439 --> 01:27:58,320
Speaker 3: Volume that that kind of role is going to get

1967
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 3: in this offense because of the type of player May

1968
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:03,640
Speaker 3: is and the type of quarterback Drake May is. Just imagine,

1969
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 3: let's say Kaishon Boody is like a B B minus,

1970
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 3: you know, outside deep threat. Now you're gonna put like

1971
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 3: a B plus a minus guy maybe even higher than

1972
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 3: that in that exact same role, like all those targets

1973
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:18,640
Speaker 3: in all the volume that went to Mac Collins and

1974
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 3: Kishon Boody is now going to go to a better player.

1975
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 3: And it is the ceiling of the offense just goes

1976
01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:26,479
Speaker 3: up a lot. And teams are already playing a lot

1977
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:28,519
Speaker 3: of too high safety against the Patriots by the end

1978
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 3: of the season because the Drake May's ability to throw

1979
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 3: the deep ball, now they really are going to have

1980
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 3: to do that, and that just opens up the entire

1981
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:37,280
Speaker 3: middle of the field for guys like Henry and Diggs

1982
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 3: and stuff like that.

1983
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:39,880
Speaker 2: I love the fit. I love the fit.

1984
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 3: I don't think that he's the best receiver in the

1985
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:44,600
Speaker 3: league or anything like that, but I just think stylistically

1986
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:47,479
Speaker 3: it's a slam dunk fit for the Patriots. So I

1987
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:50,960
Speaker 3: think we're both all in on Alec Pierce that hopefully

1988
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 3: he hits market because I think that they're going to

1989
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 3: be one of the teams that makes a pretty good

1990
01:28:56,479 --> 01:29:00,800
Speaker 3: aggressive pitch to him. And frankly, you know, just to

1991
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 3: wrap it up, they have a pretty darn good pitch,

1992
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:06,320
Speaker 3: like if they come with the money, which is obviously

1993
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:07,599
Speaker 3: the big question for any team.

1994
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:08,720
Speaker 1: Every other box to check.

1995
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 3: You can play with with Drake may who is gonna

1996
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 3: get you the ball the way that you need to

1997
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:15,799
Speaker 3: get the ball, and you're gonna play for Mike Rabel,

1998
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:17,720
Speaker 3: the rating coach of the like, it doesn't get much

1999
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:19,760
Speaker 3: better than that, right, Like, I mean, that's that's a

2000
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:22,479
Speaker 3: great landing spot for Alt Pierce, probably better than the

2001
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:25,680
Speaker 3: setup he has in Indianapolis at this point with who

2002
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:28,640
Speaker 3: knows what's gonna happen with Daniel Jones and his achilles

2003
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 3: and all that. Next player here on my list, Isaiah

2004
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:34,400
Speaker 3: likely this is the other guy that I feel like

2005
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:36,479
Speaker 3: is kind of on his own here and how that

2006
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:38,800
Speaker 3: Kyle Pitts gott franchise tag is kind of like the

2007
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:43,120
Speaker 3: top top guy at that position looking at you know,

2008
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:46,720
Speaker 3: nine to ten million dollars a year according to over

2009
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:48,320
Speaker 3: the Cap. Maybe he gets a little bit more than

2010
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:50,519
Speaker 3: that because it's the open market and things get crazy.

2011
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:54,559
Speaker 3: But on it, like you're projecting with Isaiah likely like

2012
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 3: his production in Baltimore obviously is behind Mark Andrews in

2013
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 3: the bar. That's a big part of it. But you

2014
01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:03,640
Speaker 3: are basically saying, you know, we see the traits and

2015
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:07,240
Speaker 3: with the higher volume, this guy's gonna, you know, explode,

2016
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:10,760
Speaker 3: like he's gonna it's gonna blossom in our offense. But

2017
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:13,439
Speaker 3: you're not paying him based off of like proven concept,

2018
01:30:13,479 --> 01:30:15,240
Speaker 3: really right, So that's why the number is.

2019
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:17,519
Speaker 2: A little bit lower in or out on Isaiah like it.

2020
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:21,560
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be mad if they signed him, Like I

2021
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:23,600
Speaker 1: don't think he'd be a bad signing, but I'd just

2022
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:25,439
Speaker 1: rather they signed the tight end that can block, like

2023
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:28,080
Speaker 1: we talked about earlier, like a guy that can play

2024
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 1: more traditionally. Let me ask this, it's probably gonna get

2025
01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:34,479
Speaker 1: about the same money likely or in Joku. You think

2026
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:36,760
Speaker 1: they're gonna get the same money about I think likely

2027
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:39,720
Speaker 1: to get paid more, maybe a little bit more. I

2028
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:40,919
Speaker 1: think gonna be the same fallpark.

2029
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:44,400
Speaker 2: If I had to pick between those two, I'd probably

2030
01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:45,040
Speaker 2: go in Joku.

2031
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 3: I think it's a little bit of a blocker, a

2032
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 3: little bit more uh, bigger size, like better, you know,

2033
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:51,759
Speaker 3: just thicker, you know.

2034
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:54,760
Speaker 2: That kind of stuff. I'm not big on Isaiah Likely.

2035
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:57,120
Speaker 1: I'm not either. I mean again, like he's a good player,

2036
01:30:57,120 --> 01:31:00,200
Speaker 1: he's just not collecting talent. It's building a team.

2037
01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:00,680
Speaker 2: It's that thing.

2038
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:04,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just don't really know what he does that

2039
01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 3: is going to warrant paying him ten plus million dollars

2040
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:11,920
Speaker 3: a year. Based on what we've seen. He's explosive, he's

2041
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:14,240
Speaker 3: a good athlete. I can see all those types of things.

2042
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:16,600
Speaker 3: The blocking is a big concern for me. Like I

2043
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:20,960
Speaker 3: look at Isaiah Likely as a receiver, Masquerrating as a

2044
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:23,840
Speaker 3: tight end, like he's a wide, he's a slot receiver,

2045
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:27,160
Speaker 3: and I'm just I'm kind of out on that right now.

2046
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:29,400
Speaker 3: I just see the way the league is going. I

2047
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:32,160
Speaker 3: see the way that these offenses are being built, the

2048
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:35,080
Speaker 3: offenses around the league that are using all these multiple

2049
01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:37,519
Speaker 3: tight ends, like the rams and things like that. They're

2050
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:40,799
Speaker 3: not building that around past catching tight ends. They're building

2051
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:43,120
Speaker 3: that around well rounded tight ends. You know, Like I

2052
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:47,000
Speaker 3: think that that's really where we're at as a schematically

2053
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 3: as a league. I just don't really know if Isaiah

2054
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:53,800
Speaker 3: likely changes the equation at all for them. You know,

2055
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:56,160
Speaker 3: does he stretch the team? Is he a little bit

2056
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 3: more explosive than Hunter Henry? Yes, but he doesn't have

2057
01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 3: anywhere new or the consistency or the you know, the

2058
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 3: resume that Hunter Henry has. So I'm just at a

2059
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:07,280
Speaker 3: loss as to what he How do you put him

2060
01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:10,679
Speaker 3: in Hunter Henry together? Like, how do they compliment each other?

2061
01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:13,479
Speaker 2: All the above? Like, I'd rather just go in the

2062
01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:13,960
Speaker 2: draft and.

2063
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:16,720
Speaker 3: Draft somebody in the same a similar profile, of which

2064
01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:19,080
Speaker 3: there's like ten of those in a draft like this.

2065
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I go back to like, we're past the point.

2066
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:28,439
Speaker 1: If this was two years ago, I'd be pounding the table. Yes, yes, yes,

2067
01:32:28,439 --> 01:32:30,280
Speaker 1: because he's talented and they just need to add talent.

2068
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 1: We're kind of we've kind of moved beyond the point

2069
01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:35,800
Speaker 1: of just get talented players in the building because they

2070
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:37,800
Speaker 1: have some, and now it's about more finding eyes that

2071
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:40,479
Speaker 1: fit the pieces to the puzzle. He's a good player,

2072
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:43,240
Speaker 1: So again, I'm not against bringing good players in, but

2073
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:46,160
Speaker 1: I think that there's players who are comparable that fit

2074
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 1: the puzzle, that fit the puzzle a little bit better.

2075
01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I think that you know, likely is definitely younger,

2076
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:54,880
Speaker 3: maybe a little bit more explosive, but I'd probably rather

2077
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:56,840
Speaker 3: kad At and at that price, you know, at that

2078
01:32:56,880 --> 01:32:59,000
Speaker 3: price point, because I don't think create Aughton is going

2079
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:00,599
Speaker 3: to break the bank, and I think a little bit

2080
01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:03,680
Speaker 3: better of a blocker than Likely is. So yeah, I'm

2081
01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:06,800
Speaker 3: kind of I'm kind of out on Isaiah Likely. I know,

2082
01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:08,680
Speaker 3: he's a sexy name, like, he's a fun name and

2083
01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:11,040
Speaker 3: if they signed and people would probably think it's a

2084
01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:12,800
Speaker 3: little splashy, but not for me.

2085
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:14,879
Speaker 2: Let's go to the edge rushers.

2086
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:16,880
Speaker 3: So these ones I kind of grouped together, but I

2087
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:18,479
Speaker 3: feel like the in or out is kind of picking

2088
01:33:18,479 --> 01:33:20,320
Speaker 3: which one out of these tiers.

2089
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:25,040
Speaker 1: So Trey Hendrickson, stop, that's its own tier. You think

2090
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:27,799
Speaker 1: he's in his own tier. He's in his own category.

2091
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:29,800
Speaker 1: Maybe not his own tier in terms of talent, But

2092
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:31,559
Speaker 1: everybody else are going to name is under the age

2093
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:33,040
Speaker 1: of thirty. I'm guessing in this group.

2094
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:34,720
Speaker 3: So let me give you the four names and then

2095
01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:37,360
Speaker 3: I want to talk about Trey Hendrickson more because I

2096
01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:39,720
Speaker 3: we we we workshopped this take last night, and I

2097
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:43,439
Speaker 3: feel is his own thing to me, But continue Hendrickson, Yeah,

2098
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:50,120
Speaker 3: oh way, yeah, Jalen Phillips, boy Maffey. So Hendrickson right

2099
01:33:50,160 --> 01:33:53,200
Speaker 3: now projected about twenty twenty one million a year, YEP,

2100
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:58,160
Speaker 3: always around nineteen. Jalen Phillips is around fifteen.

2101
01:33:58,280 --> 01:33:59,640
Speaker 1: The reporting out of the comment was that he might

2102
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:00,160
Speaker 1: get twenty.

2103
01:34:01,240 --> 01:34:03,120
Speaker 2: Boy Mafe is around sixteen.

2104
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:05,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they're all kind of in a similar five

2105
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:07,559
Speaker 3: million dollar rand.

2106
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:10,120
Speaker 1: But here's the big difference, ag is why I cut

2107
01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:12,679
Speaker 1: you off? Ye, Trey Hendrickson's gonna get a one maybe

2108
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:15,200
Speaker 1: two year deal, right, the rest of those guys getting

2109
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:18,240
Speaker 1: four year deals and so, and Hendrickson's probably gonna cost

2110
01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:21,960
Speaker 1: more in the one year and so he's a breach.

2111
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:25,120
Speaker 1: He's essentially what Diggs was at the wide receiver position

2112
01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:27,280
Speaker 1: at edge. We're gonna be come back next year. We

2113
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:28,680
Speaker 1: might still be doing it in the draft, right. They

2114
01:34:28,680 --> 01:34:30,800
Speaker 1: gotta get an edge. They gotta get an edge. You know,

2115
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:33,040
Speaker 1: they need a double dip. So that's different. But like

2116
01:34:33,080 --> 01:34:36,120
Speaker 1: you have a guy, if it's Oway or Phillips or Mafe,

2117
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:39,360
Speaker 1: like that's somebody you're kind of putting in and starting

2118
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:41,519
Speaker 1: to build this thing around. You're gonna build it around

2119
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:44,400
Speaker 1: Hendrickson temporarily. But he's not a long term answer. Those

2120
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:46,599
Speaker 1: other guys that consider more long term answer. So Hendrickson

2121
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:47,719
Speaker 1: to me's in a different category.

2122
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:50,559
Speaker 3: Okay, so let's separate them because you gave the take

2123
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:53,400
Speaker 3: that just then a little bit. I think Hendrickson's going

2124
01:34:53,439 --> 01:34:55,200
Speaker 3: to be a guy that they're going to go after.

2125
01:34:55,479 --> 01:34:57,840
Speaker 3: The reason why I think it's Hendrickson is one other

2126
01:34:57,880 --> 01:35:01,320
Speaker 3: reporting out of the combine. Put Hendrickson really Henderson and

2127
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:03,280
Speaker 3: Jalen Phillips for the two guys that were coming out

2128
01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:06,720
Speaker 3: of the combine link to the Patriots. Yeah, I look

2129
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:09,640
Speaker 3: at Hendrickson exactly like you just said to me. This

2130
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:12,160
Speaker 3: is Stefon Diggs two point zero. This is a guy

2131
01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:16,080
Speaker 3: that has a great resume, four time Pro bowler, two

2132
01:35:16,120 --> 01:35:18,679
Speaker 3: years removed or one year removed really from the seventeen

2133
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:23,240
Speaker 3: and a half SAX season in Cincinnati. He's thirty one,

2134
01:35:23,560 --> 01:35:25,760
Speaker 3: he only played seven games last year. He's coming off

2135
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:28,400
Speaker 3: some weird like hip hip thing muscle course.

2136
01:35:28,439 --> 01:35:29,920
Speaker 1: I think it was one of those things where like

2137
01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:31,559
Speaker 1: he had a bunch of little injuries too, and I

2138
01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:33,240
Speaker 1: wonder if they just shut him down because they were out.

2139
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:40,639
Speaker 3: So this is a perfect Bilo kind of candidate for them,

2140
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:43,439
Speaker 3: where if it works out like it did with Diggs

2141
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:46,320
Speaker 3: last year. You probably have a double digit sack guy

2142
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:47,880
Speaker 3: for his age thirty one season.

2143
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:50,240
Speaker 1: You're probably only contractually.

2144
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:52,240
Speaker 3: Tied to him for a year, maybe two in terms

2145
01:35:52,280 --> 01:35:56,160
Speaker 3: of guaranteed money. This is exactly. This is Stefan Diggs

2146
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:58,760
Speaker 3: at the edge rusher position. Now it's not a torn

2147
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:02,120
Speaker 3: acl so maybe it's a little bit less injury. But

2148
01:36:02,240 --> 01:36:07,720
Speaker 3: those weird hip things like those always text aunt. Those

2149
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:11,280
Speaker 3: things freaked me out as well. Trey Hendrickson, to me,

2150
01:36:11,439 --> 01:36:13,280
Speaker 3: is is exactly the type of thing they did with

2151
01:36:13,320 --> 01:36:14,960
Speaker 3: Diggs last year, and that's why I think he's going

2152
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:15,599
Speaker 3: to be their guy.

2153
01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:17,439
Speaker 2: I don't mind it.

2154
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:20,280
Speaker 3: I think it's it could work, especially if you draft

2155
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:23,600
Speaker 3: an edge rusher. Maybe it's not the first round now,

2156
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:26,400
Speaker 3: a day two or maybe two may maybe double dip

2157
01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:30,519
Speaker 3: there to train behind Trey Hendrickson, you know, throw them

2158
01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:33,200
Speaker 3: in a in a group. I could see that, and

2159
01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:35,479
Speaker 3: I could see why they would think, well, we just

2160
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:38,200
Speaker 3: did this with Digs and look it out, it worked beautifully.

2161
01:36:38,280 --> 01:36:40,600
Speaker 3: He was exactly what we thought we were getting. I

2162
01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:44,479
Speaker 3: could certainly see that with Trey Hendrickson, who, let's face it,

2163
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:47,719
Speaker 3: like Cincinnati did the Cincinnati thing with him, He probably

2164
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:50,559
Speaker 3: wasn't too thrilled about the situation there. They kept on,

2165
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:53,880
Speaker 3: you know, franchise tagging him and stringing him along and

2166
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:56,519
Speaker 3: stuff like that. So maybe he has like one more

2167
01:36:56,520 --> 01:36:59,559
Speaker 3: peak Trey Hendrickson season with him and within him. Why

2168
01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:00,639
Speaker 3: why not with the Patriots.

2169
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:03,080
Speaker 1: But he wasn't in camp last year, so that probably

2170
01:37:03,160 --> 01:37:04,360
Speaker 1: impacted his performance.

2171
01:37:04,720 --> 01:37:06,880
Speaker 2: The other thing, Yeah, he played fine when he was healthy.

2172
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:07,719
Speaker 2: He just wasn't healthy.

2173
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:10,280
Speaker 1: The thing you hear a lot about the Patriots and

2174
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:12,400
Speaker 1: spending is, yeah, okay, they don't have that many guys

2175
01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:14,599
Speaker 1: to resign this year, but they have the Christian Zalz

2176
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:16,800
Speaker 1: extension looming, and they have the Drake May extension looming.

2177
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:20,080
Speaker 1: Those are obviously going to be very significant money. Yes,

2178
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:25,720
Speaker 1: they Gonzalez can sign his extension this year. This is

2179
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:28,880
Speaker 1: gonna be year four. He's going in a year four, right, Yeah,

2180
01:37:29,560 --> 01:37:32,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't the extension doesn't kick in. They don't have

2181
01:37:32,439 --> 01:37:35,439
Speaker 1: to actually start paying that money outside of the signing

2182
01:37:35,439 --> 01:37:39,360
Speaker 1: bonus right until twenty seven. Yeah, So if Hendrickson's a

2183
01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:42,840
Speaker 1: one year deal, he's off the books before those kick in.

2184
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:45,400
Speaker 1: That's not going to be the case with the other guys.

2185
01:37:45,479 --> 01:37:48,080
Speaker 1: Now it's probably more money in that one year, like

2186
01:37:48,160 --> 01:37:50,200
Speaker 1: per year than what those other guys are going to get. Right,

2187
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:53,960
Speaker 1: there's a boost there. So Tracks just texted me back

2188
01:37:54,439 --> 01:37:57,519
Speaker 1: he had a core muscle injury that he tried to

2189
01:37:57,680 --> 01:37:58,400
Speaker 1: play through.

2190
01:37:58,760 --> 01:38:02,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are all weird. I like I said, I

2191
01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:05,120
Speaker 2: think we both kind of mentioned it. It. This just

2192
01:38:05,160 --> 01:38:08,200
Speaker 2: feels a lot like Stefan Diggs last year, name.

2193
01:38:08,040 --> 01:38:11,840
Speaker 3: Brand, high high ceiling, you know, very like if it

2194
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:15,240
Speaker 3: hits it, it's gonna hit big guy with something to prove,

2195
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:18,880
Speaker 3: coming off an injury, coming off a weird situation in Cincinnati.

2196
01:38:19,439 --> 01:38:21,400
Speaker 3: I just think that that's the type of guy that

2197
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:24,960
Speaker 3: they're going to gravitate towards because you look at Oway, Phillips,

2198
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:27,080
Speaker 3: Mafey and I'm a big fan of Boe mafe Is

2199
01:38:27,120 --> 01:38:29,920
Speaker 3: going back to his draft and I think that he's

2200
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:34,519
Speaker 3: just a physical, you know, downhill great athlete. Yeah, I

2201
01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:37,479
Speaker 3: really would like them to consider him as well.

2202
01:38:37,560 --> 01:38:40,839
Speaker 1: The other thing about Mafey for me, yeah, is between

2203
01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:44,280
Speaker 1: Phillips Away and him, Yeah, like he has the worst

2204
01:38:44,360 --> 01:38:45,400
Speaker 1: production out of the three.

2205
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:46,559
Speaker 2: He needs more playing time.

2206
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:48,559
Speaker 1: But right I don't think he was in a good situation.

2207
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:51,519
Speaker 1: So there's like an old baseball idiom. I don't know

2208
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:54,840
Speaker 1: what you want to call it. Like, if you two

2209
01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:58,080
Speaker 1: guys run to for I forget the times, like five seconds, right,

2210
01:38:58,120 --> 01:39:00,760
Speaker 1: two guys take exactly five seconds to run to his base. Yeah,

2211
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:02,519
Speaker 1: but one guy does with perfect form, one guy does

2212
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:06,320
Speaker 1: with bad form. Who do you want.

2213
01:39:05,479 --> 01:39:06,080
Speaker 2: Perfect for him?

2214
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:08,599
Speaker 1: No? I don't want bad for him, because if the guy,

2215
01:39:08,680 --> 01:39:11,120
Speaker 1: if one guy's running five seconds in perfect form, one

2216
01:39:11,120 --> 01:39:12,599
Speaker 1: guy's running five seconds in bad form.

2217
01:39:12,640 --> 01:39:14,479
Speaker 2: If you fix what guy, fix that guy's form?

2218
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:17,280
Speaker 1: Right? So to me, Mafey's that and like it's not

2219
01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:20,920
Speaker 1: a technical thing. I'm just like, I don't he's right

2220
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:23,320
Speaker 1: in their class right now. Yeah, but I think he's

2221
01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:25,679
Speaker 1: been in the worst situation of the three of them. Yeah,

2222
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:27,639
Speaker 1: So what happens when you put him in a good situation,

2223
01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:29,080
Speaker 1: it's it's basically ceiling.

2224
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:31,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, But like, I just think that he's their kind

2225
01:39:31,680 --> 01:39:31,960
Speaker 2: of guy.

2226
01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:34,880
Speaker 1: I think, and I think there's more untapped potential there

2227
01:39:34,920 --> 01:39:36,720
Speaker 1: than with Phillips in Oway, And I don't know that

2228
01:39:36,760 --> 01:39:39,360
Speaker 1: the floor is so high with either of those two

2229
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:41,120
Speaker 1: that it's like you don't really want to look at

2230
01:39:41,120 --> 01:39:42,920
Speaker 1: the potential. Just get the guy. You know he's gonna play.

2231
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:45,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, you might be able to get Jalen phillips on

2232
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:47,360
Speaker 3: a on a kind of a proven deal. He's dealt

2233
01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:50,000
Speaker 3: with injuries throughout his entire career. I don't think he's

2234
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:53,679
Speaker 3: ever truly hit his ceiling and Philly or with Miami.

2235
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:54,840
Speaker 2: I know it was with Philly fir.

2236
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:57,559
Speaker 1: Which hits some injury stuff too, yeah, very yeah, injury

2237
01:39:57,720 --> 01:39:59,760
Speaker 1: like Mafi. I mean, not hitting his ceiling is more

2238
01:39:59,800 --> 01:40:00,960
Speaker 1: just he wasn't given the chance.

2239
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:04,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would if I wasn't in on Hendrickson, if

2240
01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:06,240
Speaker 3: they if that's not where the route that they go

2241
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:09,599
Speaker 3: and they want to sign somebody that's younger to more term,

2242
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:12,439
Speaker 3: because Henderson's a short term proposition. It's a Britak It's.

2243
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:15,080
Speaker 1: It's two years max. Yeah, and maybe it's a three

2244
01:40:15,160 --> 01:40:17,000
Speaker 1: year contract on paper. He's not here for more than

2245
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:17,479
Speaker 1: two years.

2246
01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:19,320
Speaker 3: But Mafi is the type of guy that I would

2247
01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:22,520
Speaker 3: I would extend to maybe three years, four years.

2248
01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:24,519
Speaker 1: To try to keep him only twenty seven.

2249
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:29,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, last one here on this kind of tier, calevon

2250
01:40:29,120 --> 01:40:33,400
Speaker 3: Chase on fifteen million right now per years around where

2251
01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:36,519
Speaker 3: you know over the cap has a three year that

2252
01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:40,639
Speaker 3: three year, forty five million dollar total contract. Fifteen million aav.

2253
01:40:43,560 --> 01:40:44,240
Speaker 2: How much do you.

2254
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:48,760
Speaker 1: Value you know it works? Familiarity, yep, you know. And

2255
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:51,160
Speaker 1: do they want a guy? I think we all like

2256
01:40:51,240 --> 01:40:53,880
Speaker 1: he's a one B and maybe Mafe becomes the one

2257
01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:57,120
Speaker 1: A or somebody you draft or Hendrickson. I don't think

2258
01:40:57,160 --> 01:41:00,280
Speaker 1: you get it's not going to be Chased On in

2259
01:41:00,360 --> 01:41:03,040
Speaker 1: one of those guys. It's tough. Yeah, I wouldn't be

2260
01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:05,759
Speaker 1: upset if they brought back Chase On. But my bigger

2261
01:41:05,800 --> 01:41:07,599
Speaker 1: ta I guess this is for further in the tiers.

2262
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:11,040
Speaker 1: There's a couple guys. I look at Lazar's tears. There's

2263
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:13,840
Speaker 1: a couple guys I look at that could be like

2264
01:41:14,200 --> 01:41:15,560
Speaker 1: this year's Calebon Chase On.

2265
01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:18,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, me too, right, I would say with Chase On,

2266
01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:20,960
Speaker 3: the biggest thing to me with Chase On is like,

2267
01:41:21,439 --> 01:41:25,200
Speaker 3: you know it works? Is not he's not a double

2268
01:41:25,240 --> 01:41:27,840
Speaker 3: digit Pro Bowl caliber player with you, but you know

2269
01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:31,040
Speaker 3: it works. And if I'm him, like there's some piece

2270
01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:33,960
Speaker 3: of me right with all the bumps in the road

2271
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:37,480
Speaker 3: that he had with the seventeen coaching regimes in Jacksonville,

2272
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:40,559
Speaker 3: the year with Vegas, like he finally came here and

2273
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:42,600
Speaker 3: seemed like he like felt at home and was like

2274
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:46,439
Speaker 3: happy and was performing and was in a culture that

2275
01:41:46,479 --> 01:41:48,760
Speaker 3: he liked, in a place that he liked, playing for

2276
01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:51,519
Speaker 3: a coach that he liked. Like, I'm not saying hometown

2277
01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:53,240
Speaker 3: discount because I think if I'm him, you got to

2278
01:41:53,240 --> 01:41:53,920
Speaker 3: try to cash.

2279
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:57,479
Speaker 1: In twenty nine. This is but like, is he really

2280
01:41:57,479 --> 01:41:58,120
Speaker 1: fall to him?

2281
01:41:58,240 --> 01:42:01,559
Speaker 3: Is he going to is just in a better situation here,

2282
01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:05,000
Speaker 3: it might help you, you know, at fifteen million per

2283
01:42:05,360 --> 01:42:07,960
Speaker 3: if you want to do chase On and then sign

2284
01:42:08,040 --> 01:42:10,679
Speaker 3: one of these like tier two guys that we're probably

2285
01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:11,479
Speaker 3: both thinking about.

2286
01:42:12,120 --> 01:42:14,879
Speaker 2: I could live with that as well. If Hendrickson doesn't pan.

2287
01:42:14,760 --> 01:42:19,560
Speaker 1: Out, So I I'd rank them Hendrickson, Mafe, chase On,

2288
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:23,840
Speaker 1: Chase On the rest Yeah, oh way, And Phillips.

2289
01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:26,400
Speaker 3: Always like I get why people really like oh way,

2290
01:42:26,520 --> 01:42:28,960
Speaker 3: He's I gotta look this up because I want to

2291
01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:29,479
Speaker 3: be accurate.

2292
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:31,679
Speaker 2: But I feel like he's a little big for them.

2293
01:42:31,720 --> 01:42:35,520
Speaker 3: No, Like you know, just in terms of like playstyle

2294
01:42:35,640 --> 01:42:38,360
Speaker 3: like II five, Yeah, Like.

2295
01:42:38,120 --> 01:42:39,120
Speaker 2: It's a little heavy for them.

2296
01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:42,320
Speaker 3: I feel like they're more in that two fifty two

2297
01:42:42,280 --> 01:42:44,719
Speaker 3: to fifty five range, like they think chase On played

2298
01:42:44,760 --> 01:42:47,519
Speaker 3: between two fifty five and two sixty last year. Harold

2299
01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:50,200
Speaker 3: Landry's like closer to two fifty. You know, it's just

2300
01:42:50,280 --> 01:42:52,560
Speaker 3: a little bit more of like a true hand of

2301
01:42:52,600 --> 01:42:54,960
Speaker 3: the dirt end versus somebody that's going to kind of

2302
01:42:54,960 --> 01:42:57,840
Speaker 3: like dance outside the tackle. Yeah, that's just how I

2303
01:42:57,840 --> 01:42:59,800
Speaker 3: feel a little bit about. Oh yeah, who are the

2304
01:42:59,800 --> 01:43:01,400
Speaker 3: guys from your your next tier here?

2305
01:43:01,680 --> 01:43:04,000
Speaker 1: Well, so now you get into groups more than tears.

2306
01:43:04,439 --> 01:43:07,680
Speaker 1: There's the Clusta's old guy you're trying to get the

2307
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:10,599
Speaker 1: last drop out of versus the young guys.

2308
01:43:10,640 --> 01:43:13,120
Speaker 2: Who are you're gonna give Joey Bosa take is.

2309
01:43:13,240 --> 01:43:15,680
Speaker 1: I've actually pivoted on that. I did not realize how

2310
01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:19,240
Speaker 1: much returnover machine Khalil Mack has been lately. So like

2311
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:22,599
Speaker 1: literally there's three old guys in there, uh four if

2312
01:43:22,640 --> 01:43:25,559
Speaker 1: you count Cameron Jordan. Cameron Jordan to me, is going

2313
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:27,800
Speaker 1: back to the Saints are retiring, right, He's not going

2314
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:30,240
Speaker 1: anywhere else. Look, if he opened to it, I would

2315
01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:33,120
Speaker 1: take him. I've always loved Cameron Jordan. I just he's

2316
01:43:33,120 --> 01:43:36,519
Speaker 1: a saint for life. Joey Bosa, Khalil Mack, Javian Clowney. Yeah,

2317
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:39,840
Speaker 1: have any interest in any of those things? You could

2318
01:43:39,840 --> 01:43:42,360
Speaker 1: sell me on? Khalil Mack is the secondary edition. If

2319
01:43:42,400 --> 01:43:47,320
Speaker 1: it's like Hendrickson or Chase On or Mafe and then Mac,

2320
01:43:47,479 --> 01:43:51,439
Speaker 1: I'm in. But if he's like the guy, even if

2321
01:43:51,479 --> 01:43:52,760
Speaker 1: you're say, all right, we're gonna take one in the

2322
01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:55,559
Speaker 1: first round, if he's your big veteran edition, I think

2323
01:43:55,600 --> 01:43:56,360
Speaker 1: you should do a little more.

2324
01:43:56,360 --> 01:43:58,560
Speaker 2: But it's the second guy.

2325
01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:00,280
Speaker 1: I thought we were doing year tiers. Where are we

2326
01:44:00,320 --> 01:44:00,760
Speaker 1: on my tiers?

2327
01:44:01,200 --> 01:44:02,120
Speaker 2: Because you had the list?

2328
01:44:02,240 --> 01:44:05,680
Speaker 1: Well, so then it's like it's more like, can they

2329
01:44:05,680 --> 01:44:07,840
Speaker 1: find this year's caleb On chase On? Caleb On Chason

2330
01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:10,400
Speaker 1: was the first round pick, failed to produce, still a

2331
01:44:10,439 --> 01:44:12,120
Speaker 1: young guy. They brought him and they maxed him out.

2332
01:44:12,360 --> 01:44:14,760
Speaker 1: So to me, a couple guys that are here that

2333
01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:18,200
Speaker 1: you know potentially fit that Mold Arnold Abi Ketty who

2334
01:44:18,240 --> 01:44:20,160
Speaker 1: they were linked to at the trade deadline. So that's

2335
01:44:20,200 --> 01:44:21,880
Speaker 1: the one for me, all right, I'm gonna be a

2336
01:44:21,920 --> 01:44:27,679
Speaker 1: couple more Arnold Ebakeetty, Yeah, Quinny Payah, Quinny Pey, Malcolm Koontz.

2337
01:44:28,360 --> 01:44:30,360
Speaker 1: And this one's kind of tongue in cheek, josh U Jay.

2338
01:44:31,120 --> 01:44:32,840
Speaker 3: Look, that one's very tongue in cheek, but like he

2339
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:34,679
Speaker 3: is kind of a fit for what they're looking for

2340
01:44:34,800 --> 01:44:37,800
Speaker 3: so they didn't trade him. Ebikite is the guy to

2341
01:44:37,800 --> 01:44:39,360
Speaker 3: me when I say they didn't trade him, that was

2342
01:44:39,400 --> 01:44:40,679
Speaker 3: the drought Maailer.

2343
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:43,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Ebic key Day is a classic, is it?

2344
01:44:43,439 --> 01:44:44,880
Speaker 1: Eb I thought it was Ebic Ketty.

2345
01:44:45,120 --> 01:44:45,800
Speaker 2: I think it's epic.

2346
01:44:46,439 --> 01:44:48,880
Speaker 1: He I'll look it up. This isn't me calling you out.

2347
01:44:48,920 --> 01:44:51,640
Speaker 1: This is ONBB I don't know. I think it's on

2348
01:44:51,680 --> 01:44:53,519
Speaker 1: his profile reference page. I'll find it.

2349
01:44:54,240 --> 01:44:56,480
Speaker 2: Six two fifty.

2350
01:44:58,120 --> 01:45:04,240
Speaker 3: Good, good athlete, like very nimble, fluid pass rusher, first

2351
01:45:04,280 --> 01:45:08,880
Speaker 3: step explosiveness, bend a good, really good player at Penn State.

2352
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:11,200
Speaker 3: It just hasn't really worked out for him in the NFL.

2353
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:14,200
Speaker 3: For for me like that, that's the guy that if

2354
01:45:14,240 --> 01:45:17,360
Speaker 3: I'm like trying to take like a flyer on you know,

2355
01:45:17,479 --> 01:45:19,640
Speaker 3: I think he was like an early second round pick.

2356
01:45:19,720 --> 01:45:21,200
Speaker 2: I don't think he was a pure first rounder.

2357
01:45:21,240 --> 01:45:22,800
Speaker 1: I think he was like I remembered.

2358
01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:24,600
Speaker 3: I think he was like the thirty eighth pick in

2359
01:45:24,640 --> 01:45:27,400
Speaker 3: the in the draft or something like that to Atlanta

2360
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:29,000
Speaker 3: right in twenty two.

2361
01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:29,559
Speaker 4: He was.

2362
01:45:31,160 --> 01:45:31,800
Speaker 1: Thirtieth pick.

2363
01:45:32,280 --> 01:45:32,760
Speaker 2: Nailed it.

2364
01:45:33,200 --> 01:45:35,200
Speaker 3: That that to me is the type of guy that

2365
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:38,840
Speaker 3: I would actually not mind at all if they end

2366
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:41,559
Speaker 3: up not going with Hendrickson, who's gonna make probably twenty

2367
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:42,240
Speaker 3: plus million.

2368
01:45:42,640 --> 01:45:45,040
Speaker 2: Let's say they go in that, you know they bring

2369
01:45:45,120 --> 01:45:45,760
Speaker 2: Chase on back.

2370
01:45:45,840 --> 01:45:50,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, if they signed Arnold Ebikiti, Ebikati Ebicadi.

2371
01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:53,680
Speaker 3: Has like, we're just gonna take a We're gonna take

2372
01:45:53,680 --> 01:45:55,720
Speaker 3: a flyer on this guy. Is this on the k

2373
01:45:55,960 --> 01:45:57,640
Speaker 3: you know, we're gonna We're gonna give him like a

2374
01:45:58,080 --> 01:46:01,439
Speaker 3: one year prove it deal and let's see what happens.

2375
01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:03,200
Speaker 3: I would be in on that. I think that he's

2376
01:46:03,240 --> 01:46:06,320
Speaker 3: got untapped potential. I think he's someone that uh at

2377
01:46:06,360 --> 01:46:10,200
Speaker 3: Penn State fit their mold, like true outside linebacker, defensive

2378
01:46:10,280 --> 01:46:13,120
Speaker 3: end in a four or three. I think that he's

2379
01:46:13,200 --> 01:46:15,160
Speaker 3: kind of their kind of kind of they're kind of

2380
01:46:15,240 --> 01:46:17,439
Speaker 3: dupe just the way that he plays. So I would

2381
01:46:17,479 --> 01:46:18,800
Speaker 3: take him as like the second guy.

2382
01:46:19,080 --> 01:46:20,040
Speaker 2: Like I wouldn't give him.

2383
01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:21,840
Speaker 1: As the second yea, these are all the second guy

2384
01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:24,000
Speaker 1: at this point yep. So And could he I know

2385
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:25,519
Speaker 1: some of these guys are more like defensive ends, but

2386
01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:29,760
Speaker 1: could he pay Malcolm Koons any interest in those guys?

2387
01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:33,560
Speaker 3: No, not really, Joseph Osai, Yeah, because like I feel like,

2388
01:46:33,600 --> 01:46:35,960
Speaker 3: once you start getting into this tier, I think Ebikida

2389
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:38,160
Speaker 3: has a little bit more ceiling, Like I think that

2390
01:46:38,200 --> 01:46:40,519
Speaker 3: he could actually go to another level. But once you

2391
01:46:40,520 --> 01:46:44,080
Speaker 3: get into this tier, like, aren't you ebkat, aren't you

2392
01:46:44,120 --> 01:46:47,280
Speaker 3: talking about like taking snaps away from whatever rookie that

2393
01:46:47,320 --> 01:46:50,800
Speaker 3: you're playing. You're drafted Elijah Ponder. I think maybe they

2394
01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:52,720
Speaker 3: still are pretty high on and like think that he

2395
01:46:52,760 --> 01:46:55,080
Speaker 3: could be something like you probably just want to go

2396
01:46:55,120 --> 01:46:59,160
Speaker 3: into let your guys develop mode, let your young dudes develop.

2397
01:46:59,240 --> 01:47:04,160
Speaker 1: I got one more tier you, okay? Former Titans Draymond Jones,

2398
01:47:04,560 --> 01:47:06,879
Speaker 1: arden Key, we heard these names at the trade deadline.

2399
01:47:07,040 --> 01:47:09,320
Speaker 2: Draymond Jones, I would have just the list. Did Dante

2400
01:47:09,320 --> 01:47:11,559
Speaker 2: Fowler ever play for the Titans? I don't think so.

2401
01:47:12,040 --> 01:47:12,160
Speaker 1: Uh.

2402
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:16,080
Speaker 3: Draymond Jones, I think is the guy that, uh is

2403
01:47:16,080 --> 01:47:19,120
Speaker 3: this second tier guy, second cluster guy that if they

2404
01:47:19,160 --> 01:47:23,439
Speaker 3: miss out one on the top guys, then Draymond Jones

2405
01:47:23,479 --> 01:47:26,320
Speaker 3: for a year as you develop a rookie is not

2406
01:47:26,760 --> 01:47:28,720
Speaker 3: a bad a bad proposition.

2407
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:30,080
Speaker 2: He's a good pass rusher.

2408
01:47:30,360 --> 01:47:32,320
Speaker 3: You know, he's a guy that can can win in

2409
01:47:32,360 --> 01:47:35,280
Speaker 3: the pass rush, win with multiple moves, uh, you know,

2410
01:47:35,400 --> 01:47:36,160
Speaker 3: really good speed.

2411
01:47:36,760 --> 01:47:38,040
Speaker 2: I did like you. They're kind of guy.

2412
01:47:38,080 --> 01:47:39,800
Speaker 1: How about Dante Fallo as well where they're ten and

2413
01:47:39,800 --> 01:47:41,639
Speaker 1: a half sacks two years ago in Washington, three last

2414
01:47:41,720 --> 01:47:42,240
Speaker 1: year in Dallas.

2415
01:47:42,280 --> 01:47:45,600
Speaker 2: No, I'm all set on like the the over the

2416
01:47:45,640 --> 01:47:46,200
Speaker 2: Hill guys.

2417
01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:49,120
Speaker 1: Oh he's thirty two. Yeah, I didn't resu that all.

2418
01:47:49,240 --> 01:47:52,680
Speaker 3: Let's let's let's have a little bit of upward trajectory,

2419
01:47:52,800 --> 01:47:53,840
Speaker 3: just even a tiny bit.

2420
01:47:53,880 --> 01:47:56,759
Speaker 1: I would take arden Key is the second guy. Rabel

2421
01:47:56,800 --> 01:47:58,880
Speaker 1: has just proven he can get something out of him. Okay,

2422
01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:00,800
Speaker 1: as this is so as what I very able really

2423
01:48:00,840 --> 01:48:02,880
Speaker 1: thinks of barden team. But what do you mean just

2424
01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, attitude all that kind of fair enough?

2425
01:48:05,800 --> 01:48:07,960
Speaker 2: Do we do the guards? Because we have twelve minutes

2426
01:48:08,040 --> 01:48:08,760
Speaker 2: left and I want to get.

2427
01:48:08,640 --> 01:48:10,000
Speaker 1: To the guard, we definitely should do the guard.

2428
01:48:10,160 --> 01:48:13,920
Speaker 3: So there's three guards that I look at, and there's

2429
01:48:13,960 --> 01:48:16,240
Speaker 3: a fourth guard that I really like the idea but

2430
01:48:16,240 --> 01:48:18,760
Speaker 3: probably isn't quite in this terms.

2431
01:48:18,439 --> 01:48:20,320
Speaker 2: Of contract value.

2432
01:48:20,920 --> 01:48:24,320
Speaker 3: So Suemalu Isaac Suemalu from Pittsburgh.

2433
01:48:24,760 --> 01:48:26,599
Speaker 2: They have him met one year, eight million. I think

2434
01:48:26,600 --> 01:48:27,479
Speaker 2: he's gonna get a lot more.

2435
01:48:27,640 --> 01:48:27,760
Speaker 5: No.

2436
01:48:27,880 --> 01:48:30,600
Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport said during the draft, these guys are going

2437
01:48:30,640 --> 01:48:31,679
Speaker 1: to get like fifteen million dollars.

2438
01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:32,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's a good player.

2439
01:48:33,800 --> 01:48:37,519
Speaker 3: David Edwards from Buffalo, which is probably in that tier

2440
01:48:37,560 --> 01:48:38,880
Speaker 3: of fifteen plus he.

2441
01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:43,120
Speaker 1: Was So the two specifically that Rappaport noted were.

2442
01:48:44,520 --> 01:48:45,200
Speaker 2: Zion Johnson.

2443
01:48:45,320 --> 01:48:47,800
Speaker 1: Zion Johnson and David Edwards at fifteen million.

2444
01:48:48,040 --> 01:48:51,840
Speaker 3: That one, I I it's again, it's I'm not that

2445
01:48:52,120 --> 01:48:56,400
Speaker 3: Zion Johnson to get what fifteen plus million?

2446
01:48:56,680 --> 01:49:01,320
Speaker 2: Who's Zion Johnson? What favoredon Ian Rappaport.

2447
01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:03,320
Speaker 1: Oh, to Zion john p has had four years fifty

2448
01:49:03,320 --> 01:49:05,280
Speaker 1: one million, twenty seven guaranteed.

2449
01:49:04,840 --> 01:49:10,599
Speaker 3: Banana land, banana land for Zion Johnson, Like he's probably that.

2450
01:49:10,600 --> 01:49:13,400
Speaker 1: Was a cool, strange draft. And Dylan Park No, who's

2451
01:49:13,400 --> 01:49:16,439
Speaker 1: the other fri It was Zion Johnson. And who's the

2452
01:49:16,520 --> 01:49:20,360
Speaker 1: kid out of Texas A and M that year?

2453
01:49:20,520 --> 01:49:23,320
Speaker 2: Oh we went to Houston. Yeah, drafted by Cassario.

2454
01:49:23,439 --> 01:49:25,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's gonna bum me. He I think has actually

2455
01:49:25,800 --> 01:49:26,559
Speaker 1: been a decent player.

2456
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:27,519
Speaker 2: Uh so.

2457
01:49:29,960 --> 01:49:33,400
Speaker 3: Edwards, Suemlow, Kenyan Green, Kenyan Green, I don't think.

2458
01:49:33,560 --> 01:49:35,360
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think I think he flamed out.

2459
01:49:35,439 --> 01:49:36,519
Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah they did.

2460
01:49:36,560 --> 01:49:37,080
Speaker 2: They cut him.

2461
01:49:37,160 --> 01:49:43,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh right, draft David Edwards and then does based

2462
01:49:43,160 --> 01:49:44,320
Speaker 1: off the projections you have to.

2463
01:49:44,320 --> 01:49:45,719
Speaker 2: Put VERA Tucker on this list.

2464
01:49:45,800 --> 01:49:46,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2465
01:49:46,360 --> 01:49:50,200
Speaker 2: Now, Vera Tucker has been injured a lot, a lot.

2466
01:49:50,320 --> 01:49:51,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but when he.

2467
01:49:51,160 --> 01:49:54,400
Speaker 3: Plays, Vera Tucker is a really good player when he plays.

2468
01:49:54,800 --> 01:49:57,920
Speaker 3: Uh So, those three guys are like the top of

2469
01:49:57,960 --> 01:50:02,040
Speaker 3: the guard market. Let's just call it fifteen. Even in

2470
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:05,280
Speaker 3: that sort of range. Who are you taken out of

2471
01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:10,840
Speaker 3: that group? I like David Edwards me too. I mean,

2472
01:50:10,920 --> 01:50:14,280
Speaker 3: Himmalo's close the tiebreaker for me, as you're taking them

2473
01:50:14,280 --> 01:50:16,040
Speaker 3: from the bills, we can't resign them anyways.

2474
01:50:16,040 --> 01:50:17,800
Speaker 2: A little bit better run box.

2475
01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:19,920
Speaker 1: Grabbing those Indivision guys. They've obviously had a ton of

2476
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:21,840
Speaker 1: success from that, and they're there, don't you know. I

2477
01:50:21,880 --> 01:50:23,840
Speaker 1: know some people roll their eyes at that. There is

2478
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:26,320
Speaker 1: something to that signing the guys that's.

2479
01:50:26,479 --> 01:50:27,800
Speaker 2: That's a strength of Buffalo's team.

2480
01:50:27,840 --> 01:50:30,960
Speaker 1: Other than that, that's a classic Belichick move too. So yeah,

2481
01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:33,439
Speaker 1: I think he's a little younger too, right, and and

2482
01:50:33,479 --> 01:50:37,680
Speaker 1: he's a little bigger, so a little bit wider, you know. Yeah,

2483
01:50:37,720 --> 01:50:40,120
Speaker 1: I really liked the idea of David Edwards. If Edwards

2484
01:50:40,360 --> 01:50:42,439
Speaker 1: Samalo is here, I'd be a static either one of them.

2485
01:50:42,560 --> 01:50:43,000
Speaker 1: Verit Tucker.

2486
01:50:43,120 --> 01:50:46,120
Speaker 3: The injuries, I think Vera Tucker to me is like

2487
01:50:46,720 --> 01:50:49,639
Speaker 3: similar to Hendrickson, where it's like, if that's the move

2488
01:50:49,680 --> 01:50:52,040
Speaker 3: because they're just banking on a healthy season from him,

2489
01:50:52,080 --> 01:50:55,360
Speaker 3: and they're gonna draft the mid round guard and develop

2490
01:50:55,400 --> 01:50:56,280
Speaker 3: the mid round guard.

2491
01:50:56,360 --> 01:50:56,760
Speaker 2: But they don't.

2492
01:50:56,800 --> 01:50:58,479
Speaker 3: They have Vertit Tucker, so they don't have to start

2493
01:50:58,520 --> 01:51:00,479
Speaker 3: the guard right away, like that whole thing right, Like

2494
01:51:00,560 --> 01:51:03,120
Speaker 3: it's a it's a good like kind of backstop to

2495
01:51:03,240 --> 01:51:05,120
Speaker 3: a rookie, so you don't have to put the rookie

2496
01:51:05,160 --> 01:51:05,960
Speaker 3: in right away if you.

2497
01:51:05,880 --> 01:51:08,680
Speaker 2: Don't want to. But that's an expensive backstop.

2498
01:51:08,760 --> 01:51:10,280
Speaker 3: Like you're going to be talking about a guy that

2499
01:51:10,720 --> 01:51:12,519
Speaker 3: is at least probably going to get a two year

2500
01:51:12,600 --> 01:51:16,040
Speaker 3: contract at around you know, somewhere between twelve and fifteen million.

2501
01:51:16,280 --> 01:51:17,200
Speaker 2: There's a lot of money.

2502
01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:17,640
Speaker 8: Uh.

2503
01:51:17,720 --> 01:51:21,280
Speaker 3: The other guy that I've sort of started to gravitate

2504
01:51:21,320 --> 01:51:23,200
Speaker 3: towards a little bit is Joel Patonio.

2505
01:51:23,640 --> 01:51:25,720
Speaker 2: I just feel like, yeah, I had to bridge but

2506
01:51:26,160 --> 01:51:26,880
Speaker 2: for one year.

2507
01:51:26,920 --> 01:51:29,639
Speaker 3: Though, Like again, if you're if you're assuming that they're

2508
01:51:29,640 --> 01:51:31,760
Speaker 3: going to keep drafting lineman, which I think is a

2509
01:51:31,800 --> 01:51:35,599
Speaker 3: safe assumption. Uh, if you signed Joel Buttonia, remember when

2510
01:51:35,640 --> 01:51:37,439
Speaker 3: they brought in Brian Waters.

2511
01:51:37,200 --> 01:51:40,080
Speaker 1: For a season. Brian Waters. But I get what you're

2512
01:51:40,120 --> 01:51:43,400
Speaker 1: saying Joel Potonio is a pretty fine Hall of Famer.

2513
01:51:44,520 --> 01:51:47,280
Speaker 2: Okay, maybe I'm maybe I'm under selling Brian.

2514
01:51:47,160 --> 01:51:50,040
Speaker 1: Brian Water like a yeah, I know it's a multi

2515
01:51:50,080 --> 01:51:53,960
Speaker 1: time All Pro, so two time All Pro? Okay, so maybe,

2516
01:51:53,960 --> 01:51:56,120
Speaker 1: but Buttonio is a really good player. But Tonio is

2517
01:51:56,120 --> 01:51:58,040
Speaker 1: a good player, good player. I'm just thinking very high

2518
01:51:58,160 --> 01:52:02,439
Speaker 1: Brian Waters. So apparently, so I think Joel Batonio is

2519
01:52:02,439 --> 01:52:04,559
Speaker 1: a classic. Like, we're going to play this guy. Oh,

2520
01:52:04,640 --> 01:52:06,640
Speaker 1: Joe Buttonio is a five time All Pro'll put my

2521
01:52:06,640 --> 01:52:07,720
Speaker 1: foot in my mouth fair enough.

2522
01:52:07,840 --> 01:52:11,200
Speaker 3: I told you pay that Cleveland offensive line was nails

2523
01:52:11,439 --> 01:52:15,519
Speaker 3: for like a half a decade. Yeahright, So he's a classic,

2524
01:52:15,640 --> 01:52:16,840
Speaker 3: Like this is just a professional.

2525
01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:18,840
Speaker 2: It's kind of like Morgan Moses at right tackle.

2526
01:52:18,920 --> 01:52:22,320
Speaker 3: Right, this is just a pros pro played the position

2527
01:52:22,479 --> 01:52:24,120
Speaker 3: at a high level for like a decade.

2528
01:52:24,520 --> 01:52:26,599
Speaker 2: You're gonna set it and forget it with Joel Batonio.

2529
01:52:27,080 --> 01:52:28,240
Speaker 2: Is it a long term answer?

2530
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:28,479
Speaker 6: No?

2531
01:52:28,600 --> 01:52:31,920
Speaker 3: But you're also not giving him a four year, fifty

2532
01:52:31,960 --> 01:52:34,840
Speaker 3: million dollar contract either, right, Like you're talking about giving

2533
01:52:34,920 --> 01:52:37,840
Speaker 3: him one year of starter money. I just really liked

2534
01:52:37,880 --> 01:52:40,760
Speaker 3: the idea of doing that and then putting him next

2535
01:52:40,760 --> 01:52:43,799
Speaker 3: to Campbell for a year, having him help Campbell out

2536
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:48,599
Speaker 3: for a season, drafting and developing guards still and continuing

2537
01:52:48,640 --> 01:52:52,280
Speaker 3: to draft lineman every single year, and then hopefully one

2538
01:52:52,360 --> 01:52:54,519
Speaker 3: of these guys from the draft, whether it's Jared Wilson

2539
01:52:54,640 --> 01:52:57,120
Speaker 3: or it's somebody else that's more of a pure guard prospect,

2540
01:52:57,720 --> 01:52:59,720
Speaker 3: kind of comes out of the ashes and is your

2541
01:52:59,840 --> 01:53:02,679
Speaker 3: car the future, your long term answer to that position.

2542
01:53:03,080 --> 01:53:05,439
Speaker 3: But I think by signing a guy like Potonio, you're

2543
01:53:05,439 --> 01:53:08,240
Speaker 3: at least not forcing yourself to draft a guard at

2544
01:53:08,280 --> 01:53:10,240
Speaker 3: thirty one, right, Like you can kind of get out

2545
01:53:10,280 --> 01:53:11,400
Speaker 3: of that.

2546
01:53:11,360 --> 01:53:12,040
Speaker 2: Sort of thing.

2547
01:53:12,720 --> 01:53:15,479
Speaker 3: I like the idea that David Edwards would be fun

2548
01:53:15,479 --> 01:53:17,080
Speaker 3: just because he's a good player and he's and he's

2549
01:53:17,080 --> 01:53:20,200
Speaker 3: from Buffalo. You're stealing a taking away from a strength

2550
01:53:20,200 --> 01:53:23,040
Speaker 3: of the Bills. But I think the the smarter move

2551
01:53:23,120 --> 01:53:25,400
Speaker 3: might be to just give Betonio like a one year

2552
01:53:25,439 --> 01:53:28,920
Speaker 3: starter kind of contract and keep drafting and at least

2553
01:53:28,960 --> 01:53:31,759
Speaker 3: you have somebody that's a veteran that's played the position

2554
01:53:31,800 --> 01:53:34,320
Speaker 3: before and is good at it. So that was those

2555
01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:36,960
Speaker 3: are the guys that I had. We can take a

2556
01:53:37,000 --> 01:53:39,400
Speaker 3: few of these calls. I really hope they're in that

2557
01:53:39,439 --> 01:53:40,040
Speaker 3: guard market.

2558
01:53:40,120 --> 01:53:40,320
Speaker 2: Man.

2559
01:53:40,640 --> 01:53:43,000
Speaker 3: You know, I say it unfiltered yesterday is like this

2560
01:53:43,040 --> 01:53:45,360
Speaker 3: is a layup. There's like five or six guys that

2561
01:53:45,400 --> 01:53:47,759
Speaker 3: can all play if you want to throw Zion Johnson

2562
01:53:47,800 --> 01:53:52,360
Speaker 3: in there. But that's you know, Sumalu Edwards, Vera, Tucker

2563
01:53:52,479 --> 01:53:54,839
Speaker 3: Johnson Potonio like that.

2564
01:53:54,840 --> 01:53:57,559
Speaker 2: That's that's a good guard market. It's a good group.

2565
01:53:57,800 --> 01:53:59,639
Speaker 3: Go go, go sign one, Go get one of those

2566
01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:02,080
Speaker 3: guys and help out Will Campbell. Like I think the

2567
01:54:02,120 --> 01:54:07,160
Speaker 3: Will Campbell thing quickly. It's a little bit like when

2568
01:54:07,200 --> 01:54:10,799
Speaker 3: you draft a quarterback, like you need to. Will Campbell

2569
01:54:10,880 --> 01:54:13,680
Speaker 3: is somebody that you were heavily invested in as an organization.

2570
01:54:14,040 --> 01:54:16,400
Speaker 3: He was the fourth overall pick in the draft. You

2571
01:54:16,479 --> 01:54:20,280
Speaker 3: are heavily invested. Like, don't make life harder on him

2572
01:54:20,920 --> 01:54:23,880
Speaker 3: by putting him with somebody that no offense to Jared

2573
01:54:23,920 --> 01:54:27,120
Speaker 3: Wilson really is in the guard or putting him against

2574
01:54:27,120 --> 01:54:29,720
Speaker 3: such another rookie that's a third round pick that you're

2575
01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:32,680
Speaker 3: trying to develop, Like, go out and help him, like,

2576
01:54:32,760 --> 01:54:35,760
Speaker 3: go out and give him a serious wingman. Yeah, you

2577
01:54:35,840 --> 01:54:38,200
Speaker 3: know that, it's a lot like a quarterback. All right,

2578
01:54:38,280 --> 01:54:39,720
Speaker 3: let's get to the phones, and you guys got to

2579
01:54:39,720 --> 01:54:41,240
Speaker 3: be a little bit quick because we're up against it.

2580
01:54:41,320 --> 01:54:43,480
Speaker 3: But Paul is in California? What's up Paul?

2581
01:54:46,640 --> 01:54:51,480
Speaker 2: Paul? Okay? No, Paul, Andrew is in Kingston. What's up Andrew?

2582
01:54:52,360 --> 01:54:54,600
Speaker 2: No Andrew? Okay? I think they thought knew the show

2583
01:54:54,640 --> 01:54:55,280
Speaker 2: was coming to an end.

2584
01:54:55,280 --> 01:54:56,640
Speaker 1: All right, let me ask you a couple more positions

2585
01:54:56,640 --> 01:55:00,480
Speaker 1: real quick? Yeah, because these are just good classes? Ht

2586
01:55:00,520 --> 01:55:01,200
Speaker 1: these positions?

2587
01:55:01,280 --> 01:55:03,440
Speaker 2: Okay? Linebacker that was one of them.

2588
01:55:03,520 --> 01:55:03,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2589
01:55:03,800 --> 01:55:06,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Devin Lloyd's is a really good player. I mean,

2590
01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:08,520
Speaker 2: I don't really think that probably a pipe dream, but

2591
01:55:08,760 --> 01:55:10,600
Speaker 2: it's kind of silly, Like I don't think you need

2592
01:55:10,640 --> 01:55:11,640
Speaker 2: to spend on Devin Lloyd.

2593
01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:13,760
Speaker 1: What about a guy that that we both really like.

2594
01:55:13,840 --> 01:55:17,080
Speaker 1: PFF has him at twelve million a year. Oh no, wow,

2595
01:55:17,120 --> 01:55:19,080
Speaker 1: they have him at twelve million totally they met sixty year.

2596
01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:20,920
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. We both really liked this

2597
01:55:20,920 --> 01:55:21,960
Speaker 1: guy in the draft, Leoshan.

2598
01:55:25,640 --> 01:55:28,360
Speaker 3: I do like leoshanal but he didn't really live up

2599
01:55:28,360 --> 01:55:29,720
Speaker 3: to the hype, right, Like, No, he's.

2600
01:55:29,600 --> 01:55:30,959
Speaker 2: A good player, he's fine.

2601
01:55:31,800 --> 01:55:35,240
Speaker 1: That's like a long term replacement for uh splain kind

2602
01:55:35,240 --> 01:55:36,720
Speaker 1: of thing. Yeah, you're gonna play together.

2603
01:55:36,720 --> 01:55:38,920
Speaker 3: I mean I wouldn't pay him a ton but fine safety.

2604
01:55:40,400 --> 01:55:42,800
Speaker 3: They if Jalen Hawkins walks, it's a starter position that

2605
01:55:42,840 --> 01:55:45,200
Speaker 3: they need to fill. I like Kobe Bryant.

2606
01:55:45,480 --> 01:55:48,200
Speaker 1: I like Kobe Bryant, I like Brian Cook. That's probably

2607
01:55:48,240 --> 01:55:50,080
Speaker 1: a little high in the market for them. Yeah, I

2608
01:55:50,120 --> 01:55:54,480
Speaker 1: like Brisker. I'm gonna keep pounding the table for this

2609
01:55:54,800 --> 01:55:57,000
Speaker 1: even if Hawkins comes back. I want them to add

2610
01:55:57,000 --> 01:55:59,480
Speaker 1: a legit safety. I want them to have more depth.

2611
01:55:59,560 --> 01:56:01,520
Speaker 1: I want them to be able to play three safety sets.

2612
01:56:01,800 --> 01:56:07,640
Speaker 1: I will asterisk like smaller, fast coverage linebacker. Kyle Lewis

2613
01:56:07,720 --> 01:56:11,480
Speaker 1: would check this box for me. Not adding a second linebacker,

2614
01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:14,480
Speaker 1: not like Jacob Driguez, but like specifically a coverage linebacker,

2615
01:56:14,480 --> 01:56:15,680
Speaker 1: a pure coverage linebacker.

2616
01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:15,920
Speaker 2: Yep.

2617
01:56:16,200 --> 01:56:18,840
Speaker 1: But I want them to add somebody that allows them

2618
01:56:19,560 --> 01:56:23,400
Speaker 1: to play those packages. So it's getting Hawkins back and

2619
01:56:23,440 --> 01:56:24,560
Speaker 1: then somebody.

2620
01:56:25,040 --> 01:56:27,720
Speaker 3: I would say, I agree with you one hundred percent

2621
01:56:27,720 --> 01:56:31,200
Speaker 3: at safety because with Dime like, I think they played

2622
01:56:31,240 --> 01:56:32,400
Speaker 3: too much nickel last year.

2623
01:56:32,680 --> 01:56:35,040
Speaker 2: I think they were two three corner nickel heavy. I

2624
01:56:35,160 --> 01:56:37,560
Speaker 2: just it wasn't that they had bad players out there.

2625
01:56:37,600 --> 01:56:40,800
Speaker 2: It wasn't anything like that. It just like really limited

2626
01:56:40,840 --> 01:56:43,440
Speaker 2: their flexibility on the back end to play games like

2627
01:56:43,920 --> 01:56:46,880
Speaker 2: they When you have three safeties out there, you can

2628
01:56:46,960 --> 01:56:48,760
Speaker 2: keep too deep. You can play one as like a

2629
01:56:48,760 --> 01:56:51,720
Speaker 2: free player, whether he's blitzing or he's a robber, or

2630
01:56:52,000 --> 01:56:56,000
Speaker 2: he's handling higher stress coverage situations. You know, you can

2631
01:56:56,040 --> 01:56:59,120
Speaker 2: do a lot of different things with three safeties that

2632
01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:03,000
Speaker 2: I think a lot of the especially like the the Ravens,

2633
01:57:03,120 --> 01:57:08,880
Speaker 2: mintor Tree coaches, whether that's McDonald or Minter themselves, those

2634
01:57:08,880 --> 01:57:12,640
Speaker 2: guys like Seattle played a ton of dime that obviously

2635
01:57:12,760 --> 01:57:14,280
Speaker 2: m and worry is a big part of that, But

2636
01:57:14,360 --> 01:57:17,520
Speaker 2: like having that kind of flexibility back there to get

2637
01:57:17,520 --> 01:57:21,280
Speaker 2: into six dbs and sort of just do different coverages

2638
01:57:21,320 --> 01:57:24,440
Speaker 2: and do some different things with those three safeties is valuable.

2639
01:57:24,800 --> 01:57:26,640
Speaker 3: And I think that they were. They were one of

2640
01:57:26,640 --> 01:57:28,960
Speaker 3: the heavier nickel teams in the league last year, and

2641
01:57:29,040 --> 01:57:31,880
Speaker 3: it was a lot of three corner nickels, specifically with

2642
01:57:32,040 --> 01:57:33,400
Speaker 3: Marcus Jones playing the nickel.

2643
01:57:33,960 --> 01:57:35,160
Speaker 2: I think they could be a little.

2644
01:57:34,960 --> 01:57:38,040
Speaker 3: Bit more versatile back there by having like a playable

2645
01:57:38,160 --> 01:57:40,600
Speaker 3: third safety. No offense to del Pettis, but like.

2646
01:57:41,040 --> 01:57:44,240
Speaker 1: That, it's just the way the league's trending. And is

2647
01:57:44,240 --> 01:57:46,240
Speaker 1: it a little bit of a luxury edition? Oh why

2648
01:57:46,240 --> 01:57:48,160
Speaker 1: are they need third safety. They're trying to at other positions.

2649
01:57:48,240 --> 01:57:49,520
Speaker 1: I think they're good enough to make a couple of

2650
01:57:49,560 --> 01:57:51,760
Speaker 1: luxury editions and this would be one of them. So yeah,

2651
01:57:51,880 --> 01:57:53,440
Speaker 1: And that it doesn't have to be free agency like

2652
01:57:53,480 --> 01:57:57,520
Speaker 1: that again, Kyle Lewis the draft.

2653
01:57:57,640 --> 01:57:59,880
Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be an expensive free agentcy J. Pain.

2654
01:58:00,240 --> 01:58:01,720
Speaker 2: I just free agent.

2655
01:58:01,760 --> 01:58:03,680
Speaker 3: And that guy's going to expect to play. And if

2656
01:58:03,680 --> 01:58:05,080
Speaker 3: he comes in and now all of a sudden he's

2657
01:58:05,080 --> 01:58:05,760
Speaker 3: a dimebacker.

2658
01:58:05,920 --> 01:58:08,040
Speaker 1: That's so that's why again, like Brian Cook, top of

2659
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:09,920
Speaker 1: the markets, probably a little much.

2660
01:58:09,680 --> 01:58:12,240
Speaker 3: Because that guy's ultimately only going to play fifteen to

2661
01:58:12,360 --> 01:58:13,520
Speaker 3: twenty percent of this now.

2662
01:58:13,440 --> 01:58:16,440
Speaker 1: Right, Kobe Bryant is a guy you can probably sign

2663
01:58:16,520 --> 01:58:18,080
Speaker 1: for that role. I'm just looking at it.

2664
01:58:18,080 --> 01:58:20,160
Speaker 3: Well, sooey, Brian, I feel like as someone that's gonna

2665
01:58:20,160 --> 01:58:23,560
Speaker 3: expect the start. He just started Super Bowl camps, So

2666
01:58:23,600 --> 01:58:24,080
Speaker 3: that's true.

2667
01:58:24,160 --> 01:58:26,120
Speaker 1: What about like, I'm just looking at the list of names,

2668
01:58:28,200 --> 01:58:30,280
Speaker 1: the cross it crosses in ba Oh, he was hurt,

2669
01:58:30,280 --> 01:58:30,720
Speaker 1: that's right?

2670
01:58:31,040 --> 01:58:33,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Well I do like the linebackers, just

2671
01:58:33,720 --> 01:58:34,040
Speaker 2: a thought.

2672
01:58:34,080 --> 01:58:36,480
Speaker 1: It's a good linebacker, it's a good yeah market And

2673
01:58:36,480 --> 01:58:40,120
Speaker 1: then it's funny the strengths in free agency in the

2674
01:58:40,160 --> 01:58:42,200
Speaker 1: strengths in the draft are the same. Are this and

2675
01:58:42,200 --> 01:58:44,440
Speaker 1: the weakness is too. It's very weird. Yeah, I've never

2676
01:58:44,480 --> 01:58:45,840
Speaker 1: seen it like mo definitely line up.

2677
01:58:45,840 --> 01:58:48,360
Speaker 2: I think the draft wide receiver group is better than

2678
01:58:48,360 --> 01:58:49,520
Speaker 2: the free agency.

2679
01:58:49,240 --> 01:58:50,320
Speaker 1: Crews a little. Well.

2680
01:58:50,360 --> 01:58:52,800
Speaker 2: Al Pierce helps it out a lot, but I don't

2681
01:58:52,800 --> 01:58:53,360
Speaker 2: really like.

2682
01:58:53,520 --> 01:58:56,000
Speaker 1: I mean maybe in terms of like long term impact,

2683
01:58:56,040 --> 01:58:59,920
Speaker 1: but Mike Evans for a year, that's pretty good.

2684
01:59:00,280 --> 01:59:02,960
Speaker 3: Mike Evans for a year. Uh, you know, Pickens is

2685
01:59:03,000 --> 01:59:05,400
Speaker 3: now franchise. I think people are sleeping on Shiheed a

2686
01:59:05,440 --> 01:59:05,880
Speaker 3: little bit.

2687
01:59:06,080 --> 01:59:08,200
Speaker 2: I'm not sleeping on Jahei, but he's a type, right,

2688
01:59:09,040 --> 01:59:11,080
Speaker 2: He's He's not going to be a volume receipt.

2689
01:59:11,280 --> 01:59:13,160
Speaker 1: It's not as good as it is in the draft.

2690
01:59:13,160 --> 01:59:15,040
Speaker 1: But like maybe that's the one spot where kind of

2691
01:59:15,040 --> 01:59:15,400
Speaker 1: I think.

2692
01:59:15,240 --> 01:59:16,640
Speaker 2: The draft is just a little bit deeper.

2693
01:59:17,480 --> 01:59:20,879
Speaker 3: And like in terms of the Patriots like Shaheed, Romeo, Dobbs,

2694
01:59:21,240 --> 01:59:24,280
Speaker 3: Wandale Robinson, you have you have that at home, like

2695
01:59:24,360 --> 01:59:28,640
Speaker 3: you have all those guys, uh, you know, Kaishaan Boodie, Romeo, Dobbs, Shaheed,

2696
01:59:29,000 --> 01:59:33,360
Speaker 3: Kyle Williams is like his apex is probably Rashid Shaheed

2697
01:59:33,480 --> 01:59:36,880
Speaker 3: like what you hope Kyle Williams becomes Wandelle Robinson and

2698
01:59:36,880 --> 01:59:39,080
Speaker 3: Pop Douglas are clones of each other, you know, the

2699
01:59:39,120 --> 01:59:41,320
Speaker 3: same player. So I just think a lot of that

2700
01:59:41,680 --> 01:59:43,760
Speaker 3: is that. And then like then you have like your

2701
01:59:43,840 --> 01:59:47,200
Speaker 3: veteran Mike Evans, who you're you know, maybe Mike Evans.

2702
01:59:47,240 --> 01:59:50,040
Speaker 3: I think DeAndre Hopkins is a free agent again, Brandon

2703
01:59:50,120 --> 01:59:52,440
Speaker 3: Cooks is a free agent. Like you're doing that whole

2704
01:59:52,480 --> 01:59:56,200
Speaker 3: thing all right. Next week we'll be back, same time,

2705
01:59:56,280 --> 02:00:00,000
Speaker 3: same place. On Wednesday, the tampering period will be up

2706
02:00:00,040 --> 02:00:03,000
Speaker 3: and running the league year officially for some reason. I

2707
02:00:03,000 --> 02:00:04,600
Speaker 3: don't know why they do this, but I think the

2708
02:00:04,680 --> 02:00:06,760
Speaker 3: league year is at four because everybody was.

2709
02:00:06,760 --> 02:00:08,120
Speaker 1: Doing it behind closed doors anyway.

2710
02:00:08,200 --> 02:00:09,800
Speaker 2: So they so just move up the start of the

2711
02:00:09,880 --> 02:00:11,360
Speaker 2: league year to start the league.

2712
02:00:11,160 --> 02:00:13,960
Speaker 1: Year, and money Buddy's gonna start spring earlier.

2713
02:00:14,040 --> 02:00:16,960
Speaker 2: Okay, this is what happened with Okay, it's a good point.

2714
02:00:17,120 --> 02:00:19,080
Speaker 1: I didn't get baseball like the free agency just kept

2715
02:00:19,120 --> 02:00:22,680
Speaker 1: moving up, yeacause yeah, they basically like, look, if you

2716
02:00:22,720 --> 02:00:26,520
Speaker 1: actually respect some of this, we'll give you a window

2717
02:00:26,520 --> 02:00:27,320
Speaker 1: where you can do it.

2718
02:00:27,440 --> 02:00:31,280
Speaker 3: Okay, so we'll definitely have some signing some moves by

2719
02:00:31,320 --> 02:00:32,960
Speaker 3: the time we do the show next Wednesday, so I'm

2720
02:00:33,000 --> 02:00:35,760
Speaker 3: really looking forward to that until then, signing off for

2721
02:00:35,840 --> 02:00:38,720
Speaker 3: Alex and Alex DALs find the Glass, Salx, Bartham, Evan Lazar,

2722
02:00:38,800 --> 02:00:39,440
Speaker 3: thanks for watching.

2723
02:00:39,720 --> 02:00:41,480
Speaker 2: We'll see you for Free Agency next week. Guys. It

2724
02:00:41,560 --> 02:00:42,160
Speaker 2: should be fun.

2725
02:00:44,680 --> 02:00:46,920
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2726
02:00:47,000 --> 02:00:48,600
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02:00:48,680 --> 02:00:51,080
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02:00:51,160 --> 02:00:53,600
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2729
02:00:53,640 --> 02:00:55,840
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2730
02:00:55,880 --> 02:00:57,600
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02:00:57,800 --> 02:00:58,240
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