1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Huddle on Giants 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: dot Com the Giants Podcast. Hello everybody, and welcome to 3 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: a special Rapid Reaction Giants Huddle podcast. John Schmelkin Lance 4 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: Medal with you. Usually we do these after games, but 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: given the shocking Lands on this the right move surprising 6 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: but sudden, I suppose would would be the explanation UM 7 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: news that the Giants have decided to let go of 8 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 1: their head coach, Joe Judge. That news breaking uh just 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: after five o'clock or so on Tuesday afternoon. Uh. The 10 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: Giants sent out their press release UM shortly thereafter. I'll 11 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: read some quotes from it. Just so is when the 12 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: press release UM got sent out in terms of the 13 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: newsletter to season ticket holders. A little before that is, 14 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: uh is when the news got released. So, Uh, this 15 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: is the press release Lands and I'll just read it 16 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: word for word here and then we can talk about 17 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: it a little bit. Joe Judges been relieved of his 18 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: duties as head coach of the New York Giants, the 19 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: team announced today. Uh. Steve Tish and I both believe 20 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: it is in the best interest of our franchise to 21 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: move in another direction. Said team President John Mara. We 22 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: met with Joe yesterday afternoon to discuss the state of 23 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: the team. I met again with Joe this afternoon, and 24 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 1: it was during that conversation I informed Joe of our decision. 25 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: We appreciate Joe's efforts on behalf of the organization. I 26 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: said before the season started that I wanted to feel 27 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: good about the direction we were headed when we played 28 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: our last game of the season. Unfortunately I cannot make 29 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: that statement, which is why we have made this decision. 30 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: We will hire a general manager and that person will 31 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: leave the effort to hire a new head coach and 32 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: then also um just to reiterate John Maron Steve Tish 33 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: stayed earlier in the week, they've already started their search 34 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: for a general manager after Dave Gentleman announce his retirement, 35 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: and just to reiterate um On that this will be 36 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: a comprehensive search for our next general manager, said Mr Mara. 37 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: We are looking for a person who demonstrates exceptional leadership 38 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: and communication abilities, somebody who will oversee all aspects of 39 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: our football operation is including player personnel, coward, scouting and coaching, 40 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: added corner Steve Tish. It is an understatement to say, 41 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: John and I are disappointed by the lack of success 42 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: we have had on the field. Where united in our 43 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: commitment to find a general manager who will provide the 44 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,399 Speaker 1: direction necessary for us to achieve the on field performance 45 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: and results we all expect. I did. By the way, folks, 46 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: if you're listening to this, record a podcast with Sean 47 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: O'Hara at around like four o'clock on Tuesday. It was 48 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: great timing, just fantastic. Uh. That's the previous episode on 49 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: the Giants Huttle podcast feed and we go do go 50 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: deep into the general manager search. We recorded it before 51 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: the Joe Judge decision was made, so if you want to, 52 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: you know, listen to that about the general manager search. 53 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 1: We talk about they're locked in opponents for next year, 54 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 1: the draft, free agency and that sort of stuff. But 55 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,959 Speaker 1: Lance and I today will focus obviously on the news 56 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: that the Giants have moved on from head coach Joe 57 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: Judge and Lance obviously, the results the last two years 58 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: not what you want them to be. It's a bottom 59 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: line business, and the Giants have decided that it's better 60 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: to have a clean slate than to have the head 61 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: coach be here. And then the new general manager either 62 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: hold onto him or make a decision next week that 63 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: they're just gonna, you know, hire the GM, Let the 64 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: GM hire the coach and now for boy I mean 65 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: clean slate, first time in four years. But it's another 66 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: change of direction um for the New York Football Giants, 67 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: now moving on from their third consecutive coach in just 68 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 1: two seasons, well six and ten. Year one it was 69 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: a down year for the NFC East, so they were 70 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: mathematically still alive entering the final week of the season 71 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: and then Florence thirteen this year and offense that clearly struggled. 72 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: The numbers certainly support that. And if Joe Judge did 73 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: hang around, keep this in mind, John, he was going 74 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: to have to find a new offensive coordinator. So when 75 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: you think about all of these movable parts, you're talking 76 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: about a new general manager coming in and then having 77 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: to have a conversation with the general manager what direction 78 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: do they want to go in? Do they want to 79 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: retain Joe Judge, do they want to move in and 80 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: bring in their own guy. Then at the same time, 81 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: Joe Judge having to find a new offensive corny. There 82 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: were so many different areas of focus that I think 83 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: the Giants probably came to the conclusion and part of 84 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: this is, and this is just my own personal opinion, John, 85 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: Remember you've got a number of other teams that parted 86 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: ways with head coaches and general managers. It's a competitive 87 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: league from that standpoint that sometimes you're gonna go after 88 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: similar candidates that other teams want, and if you don't 89 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: get in on that early, then you lose out on them. 90 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: So you wonder was that part of the Giants thinking, Hey, 91 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 1: there's some intriguing head coaching candidates out there in addition 92 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: to gms. If the GM likely is gonna want to 93 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: come in with a fresh slate, do we now have 94 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: to make a move now? John is opposed to if 95 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: we wait another week or two, other teams make their 96 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: move now, all of a sudden, we're behind the eight ball. 97 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 1: I think those are all things that if you're the 98 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: Giants you certainly had to consider. Though I will say this, 99 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: how much is the timing impact? Did They're not really 100 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: gonna do much on the head coaching front until they 101 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: hire the general manager anyway, which you know, depending on 102 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: how long the search ends up being, might not be 103 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: till the end of the week or next weekend way. 104 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: So it all depends on the speed of the general 105 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: manager searching and then then then making a decision in 106 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: terms of what direction they want to go. But yeah, 107 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: look lands your point of sound and look we we've 108 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: talked about it over the last week, act three weeks. 109 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: Let's be honest about it on Big Blue Kickoff Live 110 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: about how there are other there were different ways to 111 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: do this right. You could maintain Judge for a year, 112 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: then if the general manager isn't happy, you can make 113 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: the change after next year. Um, Donny and Queen's was 114 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: a caller we had, I think last week, and he 115 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: made the point, you'll just get the fresh started looking 116 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: if you want to do that and you want to 117 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: make sure the general manager has their head coach this year. 118 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: That makes sense to uh, that's the road the Giants 119 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: decided to take here, and you know, the decisions understandable. 120 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: But I think the important thing to note here is 121 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: as you move ahead, now, this isn't just simply you know, 122 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: quick fix, get a new head coach in near everything 123 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: is gonna be you know, violence and roses and everything's 124 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: gonna be great. There are a lot of things here 125 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: that need to get fixed with the roster as well. 126 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: The compliment whoever the head coach is gonna be if 127 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: the next head coach is going to have some success 128 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: as opposed to what's happened to the last three head 129 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: coaches that have been through the building. Well, first of all, 130 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: the relationship and the dynamics, John, between the general manager 131 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: and the head coach. I mean that I think is 132 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: a top the list, right, you want to bring in 133 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: a team that has a very similar vision in terms 134 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: of reconstructing the roster as well as the organization. As 135 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: far as what you said in terms of there's multiple 136 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: things that need to be addressed. I'm gonna go back 137 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: to the offense. Even Joe Judge in his final press conference, John, 138 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: what was one of the things he said, The offense 139 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: has to be fixed. So no matter who the head 140 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: coach and the general manager are, they're gonna have to 141 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: bring in a coordinator that's gonna help lead that attack. Okay, 142 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: so that's another layer of all of this. And then 143 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: your point is well taken. We've discussed this on Big 144 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: Blue Kickoff Live. I'll emphasize it again. The Giants have 145 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: decided for a clean slate, But the bottom law line 146 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 1: is the last few seasons they have gone in this direction, 147 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: especially from a head coaching perspective. You had been McAdoo 148 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: for two years, you had Pet Shermer for two years, now, 149 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,239 Speaker 1: Joe Judge for two years. It's not a league where 150 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: it's a quick snap of the finger and all of 151 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: a sudden everything is solved. So it's really it's going 152 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: to be put on the shoulders of the general manager 153 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: first coming in in terms of the timeline in all 154 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: likelihood John, then the general manager finding the head coach, 155 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: and then the head coach putting together a staff that 156 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: could help attack some of these areas of need that 157 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: have to improve. Those are the three things that need 158 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: to be in line before we even talk about the 159 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: adjustment of personnel through free agency in the draft, right percent. 160 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: You know, we can talk about whether what kind of 161 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: head coach you want to bring in, and I guess 162 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: we could talk about this from um, you know, kind 163 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: of a ten thousand foot of you here because we 164 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: can throw our names here, lance, But given the general 165 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: managers going to make the decision, you know, it's let's 166 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: be honest for a second, Whoever the Giants hires general manager, 167 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: and I guess we could to start here. Right, They're 168 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: probably gonna hire somebody that they're familiar with as their 169 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: head coach, that's from the organization on one of the 170 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: organizations that they've been a park of. That's probably how 171 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: this is gonna work, right, some type of relationship. I 172 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: would say, yes, I would be surprised if they hired 173 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: a new general manager and that general manager says, you 174 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: know what I really want to succeed here is Jim 175 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: You're I'm gonna do. I'm gonna go hire a complete 176 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: stranger that I have no relationship too. So that's probably 177 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: not gonna happen. So I think that's kind of the 178 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: first step here, right that the general manager higher here 179 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: is is probably the most important one because that's going 180 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: to kind of determine what track do you take for 181 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: the head coach. But just from a ten thousand foot 182 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: view thing here, something we've talked about here before this 183 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: is when you start making this decision. Now, do you 184 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,599 Speaker 1: want your head coach to call plays on offense? Do 185 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: you want your head coach plays on defense? You just 186 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: want your head coach and be somebody that manages the 187 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: whole thing, and then you bring in coordinators underneath them 188 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: or you know, that's gonna be the type of decisions 189 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: that the new general manager is going to have to 190 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: make sure. And that also has different levels and layers too. 191 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: It because look at the directions that the Giants have 192 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: gone in. Previously. You had Ben McAdoo. Okay, he was 193 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: promoted from within, but he was an offensive coordinator and 194 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: when he was the head coach, he called the plays 195 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: as well as running the team. Shermer came in John 196 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: very similar, He called the plays he was also the headman. 197 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: Then Joe Judge was completely different because Joe Judge was 198 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: a special teams coordinator, wide receivers coach, so he wanted 199 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: to be more of the CEO type. I'm gonna bring 200 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 1: in coordinators underneath me. They're gonna handle the offense of 201 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: the defense. So the reason I'm bringing it up, John 202 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 1: is over the last three regimes, you've seen two examples 203 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: of a head coach slash play caller and then another 204 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: one which went to the complete opposite into the spectrum, 205 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: and the results, unfortunately have been similar. So I don't 206 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: know necessarily if there's automatically one way you want to 207 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: go into, but I think if you bring in somebody 208 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 1: and this is what I've said from general perspective with 209 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: respect to the NFL. When coordinators from previous teams john 210 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: get hired, why do they get hired? Get hired because 211 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: of what they did right with their previous facet of 212 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: the team. So, if you're an o C, the reason 213 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: why you're a hot candidate is because you did well 214 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: right with your previous defense or you're office, you probably 215 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: want to let him do that again when you get 216 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: to your team. Exactly And I feel like we get 217 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: caught up right in these debates and discussions, well, I 218 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: want to head coach that's going to then hand over 219 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: the responsibilities elsewhere. It just managed the game. But the 220 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: problem is, the whole point of the appeal of why 221 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: you wanted to go after that candidate was because he 222 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: did such a good job with the offense or defense. 223 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: So if you're gonna go the route of a coordinator, 224 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: just remember if you bring them in, they should call 225 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: the plays because that's what got them into this passes. 226 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: It's the whole reason you're hiring them, exactly right. It's like, 227 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 1: this guy's a great called, had a great offense. Let's 228 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: hire him, and then he's gonna let somebody else do 229 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: the job you hired. What's the purpose? There absolutely is 230 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: no point. So look, you know how I feel about this, 231 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: and you know, Paula Tinos on the opposite side of 232 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: the spectrum here, this is an offensive league to me now, 233 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: and I think you're on the same page as me. Lance. 234 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 1: You gotta score some points at some point if you 235 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: want to win these games, especially based on what the 236 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: Giants offense, you have to. So my inclination here is 237 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: to think about, well, who's the really good offensive coach 238 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: you can bring in? Again? Much like and I'm trying 239 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 1: to be consistent here because I said it during the season, 240 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: I'll say it again. With what was going on on 241 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: offense for the Giants this year, with the injuries and 242 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: the offensive line, I don't care who was the offensive 243 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 1: coordinator this year. This team was not going to have 244 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: a successful offense, especially in the final six games once 245 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 1: you're dealing with the back of quarterback and the offensive 246 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 1: line that you were. But I think you have to 247 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: the whole goal here now, moving forward with everything together 248 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: as a whole needs to be to fix the offense. 249 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: And you know what, even if it's to the point 250 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: lands where you neglect the defense a little bit and 251 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: you figure that out later. I think I'm to the 252 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: point now where it's like, look, you just gotta figure 253 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: out a way to get this offense rolling, figure out 254 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: the quarterback, figure out the offensive line, and then you 255 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:53,719 Speaker 1: know what if you go through a couple of years 256 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: and you have liked that that the seventh raded offense, 257 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: but your defense stinks, I'm kind of okay with that 258 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: at this point, and then you figure out the defense 259 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: a little bit later. You just can't keep going down 260 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: this route where you know, they've been a bottom eight 261 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: offense for what I think five straight the five straight 262 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: years now something like that. It's just something that that 263 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 1: that's really not tenable. Yeah, you're not gonna be able 264 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: to continue to grind out and win low scoring affairs. 265 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: And the defense was certainly respectable under Patrick Graham. They 266 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: struggled in terms of stopping to run this past season 267 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 1: in comparison to two thousand twenty, But even as we 268 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: talked about game in and game out throughout the season, 269 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: the defense could hold the opposition, for example, Kansas City 270 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: John to twenty points, but then the offense only scores seventeen. 271 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: So absolutely it has to be a priority to vastly 272 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: improve the offense, and if that requires bringing in a 273 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: head coach who has an unbelievable track record in terms 274 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: of play calling and creativeness with his personnel, then I 275 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 1: would think that that would be a very wise decision. Now, 276 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: the other thing I'll throw out, interestingly, John, as we're 277 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: talking about prioritizing the offense. The way Lands, I just 278 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: looked it up just for accuracy, states they were twenty 279 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: three in offense and then they were seventeen in there 280 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: were twenty one. So let's say let's say, let's be concerned, 281 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: let's say bottom third of the league. How about that well, 282 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: and specifically I would say the last two years when 283 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: they really fell to the bottom, because you know, there 284 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 1: were years with McAdoo and Shermer where the offense produced 285 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: and then there were some defensive issues. Now under Joe Judge, 286 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: we saw the defense get bounced back, but the offense 287 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: took a step back. But once again, it still goes 288 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: back to if you look at the playoff teams, Okay, 289 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: just look at the a f C and the NFC. 290 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: You're going to find the common element is going to be, 291 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 1: of course, good playing the trenches. That goes without saying, 292 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: but you're also seeing a lot of offenses scoring wise 293 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: that are in the top half of the league. So 294 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: you've got to be there if you want to be 295 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: in contention and you want to remain competitive to close 296 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: out games, which has also been an issue. But where 297 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: I was going with in terms of the logic from 298 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: an offensive standpoint, John, and I'm not gonna say that 299 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: this is going to be the popular choice, but do 300 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: you entertain the idea of the college ranks and do 301 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: you look at somebody that has really done a good 302 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: job manufacturing offense, and do you entertain the idea of, hey, 303 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: maybe it's time to give him a shot at the 304 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: NFL level, I would at least consider that. I'm not 305 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: saying it should be the driver's seat mentality, because I 306 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of respectable NFL coaches right now 307 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: who have been very productive on the offensive side of 308 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: the ball. But I would at least entertain the idea 309 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: about thinking outside the box at the college level. And 310 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: that's why, and again I'm not gonna say have to, 311 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: but that's why I think when I take a look 312 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: at it, you know you want to prioritize getting the 313 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: best offensive mind possible. Um, and I think if you're 314 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: gonna do that, it's hard to say, I'm gonna hire 315 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: a defensive head coach and then try to get an 316 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator because that your pool of candidates for that 317 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: job is not going to be as strong as your 318 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: pool of candidates for the head coaching job, right because 319 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to grab an offensive coordinator from 320 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: another team to be your offensive coordinator. That usually doesn't happen. 321 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: You have to grab somebody else's offensive coordinator to be 322 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: your head coach. That's kind of how the you know, 323 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: the because they want the head coaching position themselves. Sometimes 324 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: those coordinators yeah exactly, so yeah, and there to follow, 325 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: and the other team is not gonna give you permission 326 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: to you know, steal their o C to be euro See, 327 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: that's not how it works because also it would not 328 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: be considered a move up. Remember based on league rules too, 329 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: you'd have to unless you'd give them the assistant head 330 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: coaching title. But you know, sometimes that's not necessarily the 331 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: most attractive sell. That's why we see teams if they 332 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: really love an offensive guy, you make him the head 333 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: coach and then it's his job to bring in a 334 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator that will complement what he wants to do 335 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: on offense. But most of the offensive minded guys, even 336 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: if you just look around the league, John and you 337 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: think about individuals that have been hired in recent history, 338 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: you know, the offensive guys, they've jumped immediately into the 339 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: head coaching position. For example, last year, Nick Sirianni, he 340 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: was the cold offensive coordinator. He got the Eagles job 341 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: within this division. Matt la Fleur when he took over 342 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: as the Packers head coach, he was Tennessee's offensive coordinat. 343 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: I mean, we could continue to give examples. Arthur Smith 344 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: who took over from Matt la Fleur. He got the 345 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons job. That's been the trend where teams, if 346 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: they want the offensive guy, you take the offensive coordinator 347 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: from another team, you make them the head coach. And 348 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: I think, again, that's not what you have to do here, 349 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: but but that's at least been one option that teams 350 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: have followed. And if you want to try to get 351 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: the offense right, and again the coach and the scheme 352 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: matters right. I mean, you know, people have talked about 353 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: how these I saw this tweet the other day. I 354 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: think Albert Brier, who's a great NFL reporter, we'ved him 355 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: on our shows before, talked about, oh, you know, people 356 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: joked about, oh you gonna do his friends with you know, 357 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh. You don't get a good job elsewhere. Look 358 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: what you know the floors doing in Green Bay. Look 359 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: what Um Taylor is doing in and UM in Cincinnati. Sindati, Well, 360 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to take credit away from these coaches. 361 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: Do you think Aaron Rodgers and Joe Burrow something to 362 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: do with that? Just slightly? Yes? I mean I think 363 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: probably a little bit, right. I mean, you have the 364 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: other guy, Um, you have the other law floor in 365 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: with the Jets, and he's running around with Zach Wilson, 366 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: and the results aren't exactly the same, you know what 367 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: I'm saying. So the talent matter, So you have to 368 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: figure out where you're going. You have to still fix 369 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 1: the offensive line. And that's why I think it still 370 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: comes back to the general manager lands. Why that high 371 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: are so important. It's gonna dictate the pool of coaches. 372 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: You're probably gonna choose Rumbas again. You want to have 373 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: that relationship and then you have to give whatever coach 374 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: you bring in to fix this offense the toys to 375 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: do it, because right now those I mean, it's been 376 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: proven right, They've switched coordinators, they switch head coaches, and 377 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: the offense just has not gone better because what's going 378 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: on with the players in the field just hasn't been 379 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: good enough well. And also there's a number of players 380 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: on the offensive line that are set to be free agents, 381 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: so clearly that prioritizes that position because the GM is 382 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: not gonna guarantee to be bringing back everybody, and therefore 383 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: they're gonna have room and flexibility to address that in 384 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 1: free agency as well as a draft with two first 385 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: round picks. So you know, those are two areas right 386 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: there that you can utilize to fix the trenches too. Yes, 387 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 1: help your offense, because if the offensive line doesn't improve, 388 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: then the running game in the passing game are not 389 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: magically going to all of a sudden go up a notch. 390 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: It goes hand in hand. Now, the other aspect of this, John, 391 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: which I think needs to be brought up when we're 392 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: talking about where you want to go with the head 393 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: coach and personnel, is Daniel Jones because developing your quarterback. 394 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: I still think is part of this equation, the fact 395 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: that now Daniel Jones, and I'm not saying that this 396 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: should be the priority because they already made the decision 397 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 1: to move on to a new GM and a new 398 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: head coach, But here we go again, Daniel Jones gonna 399 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: be learning another new offense at Also, this is an 400 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: extremely critical year because depending on what they choose to 401 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 1: do with picking up his fifth year option, he could 402 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: be a lame duck player, meaning he could be just 403 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,679 Speaker 1: playing out his rookie contract without the fifth year option, 404 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: or if you pick up the fifth year option. It's 405 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: still important right to know by the end of the season, 406 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 1: hey do we have with respect to a quarterback and 407 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: is he a good fit with whoever is brought in 408 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: is the coach and the offensive coordinators. So where I'm 409 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: getting at, John, is when you come in and you 410 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: start interviewing general manager candidates, not only do you want 411 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: to hear what their vision is in terms of what 412 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 1: they're gonna do with the roster, you also want to 413 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: hear how does that offense that they envision in their 414 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 1: head coach going to fit what they can work with. 415 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: With respect to Daniel Jones. That is extremely important because 416 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: the quarterback and the offensive line are two things, and 417 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 1: quarterback more so health and production that needs to improve 418 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: in association with the old line. Yeah, I mean, I 419 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 1: think on lands we're at the point, all right, if 420 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 1: you're doing a total reset here, maybe Daniel Jones won't 421 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: be in the equation depending on how the new GM 422 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: feels and the head coach, right, I mean that that's 423 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: could be a decision both those guys are going to make. 424 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: So I don't think we really know. I mean, I 425 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: think you have to have a plan though I didn't 426 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: mean to go up about where you're gonna go with 427 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: that position. If if you come in and you're speaking 428 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: to the Giants ownership and you're saying, we just don't 429 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: think Daniel Jones is the guy, then I want to 430 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: hear Plan A, and I also want to hear about 431 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: Plan B in case Plan eight doesn't come to fruition. No. Absolutely, Look, 432 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: when as the GM comes in here, they need to have, 433 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: as they do, these interviews, and the Giants will announce 434 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: them as they happen, and we'll have you know, reports 435 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,479 Speaker 1: on Giants dot Com and on Big Blue Kickolf Live 436 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,719 Speaker 1: in the giant huddle. Well, we'll talk about all these guys, right, 437 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 1: you know there, And I think we mentioned this on 438 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: the show that we did on on On on Monday 439 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: with Paul. These guys are gonna on Big Blue Kickolf Live. 440 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: The you guys are want to come in and they're 441 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 1: gonna give a plan for everything. Right, it's gonna be 442 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: Here's what we're gonna do for our quarterback, Here's what 443 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: we want to do for our coach. Here's what our 444 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 1: approach is gonna be in the draft, Here's how we're 445 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: gonna approach free agency. And that's what the plan is 446 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: going to be. And I think now we're at the 447 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: point here lands where I think we've been operating in 448 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: a bit of a box, right because we knew, you know, 449 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: Dave Gunlan has been here for four years. You know 450 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: the guys he brought in what he was comfortable with. 451 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,239 Speaker 1: You know what Joe Judge has been comfortable with over 452 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 1: the last two years. Now you're gonna have two completely 453 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: different people. Is the two most powerful non player individuals, 454 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: the most important aside from ownership obviously in the organization, 455 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: making these decisions without any preconceived actions or moves. They 456 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: made so they're looking at everything with a fresh look here. 457 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 1: So we almost need to expand the realm of possibilities 458 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: as what could happen? You know, does the GM come 459 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,959 Speaker 1: in and sell the ownership? Well, we think we need 460 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: to do a complete tear down. You know, we're gonna 461 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: trade vets for draft picks. We're gonna do this, We're 462 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 1: gonna do that. You know, all these things are on 463 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: the table here for what could happen. I think we 464 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: do need to kind of expand the horizon now because 465 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 1: you know, who knows what plans these gms have that 466 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: they're going to submit the ownership and the plan that 467 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: ownership says, you know what, I think this is what 468 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: we need to do. And you know, do I think 469 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,719 Speaker 1: they're gonna do some kind of like Philadelphia seventies six 470 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: ers process or something like that, or or or like 471 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 1: what the Browns did a few years ago, right when 472 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: they kind of just traded all their vets and just 473 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: a mass for a couple of years. I don't feel 474 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: like that's something you know, ownership would like to do. 475 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: But could a GM come here and pitch that as 476 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: their plan? I don't know. Maybe. So I think we 477 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:15,719 Speaker 1: just need to kind of expand are the I'll use 478 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: a political term, expand the Overton window of options here 479 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,360 Speaker 1: in terms of what this new regime could plan and 480 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: try and do well. The new GM coming in, which 481 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: is what you were hitting on, would have not drafted 482 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: any of the players currently on the roster or signed 483 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 1: any of the free agents, So they have no ties, 484 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: no allegiance to want to sort of see them play 485 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 1: out because they're hoping that if they're successful, that helps 486 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,479 Speaker 1: with respect to what they did to help build up 487 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: the team. So, yeah, the GM could have a completely 488 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 1: different vision with respect is some key critical components of 489 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: the roster, and that then would trigger a completely different 490 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: direction compared to where we are. We can only operate 491 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: at this point of what the Giants right now have 492 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: on the roster. And at least if your ownership, you 493 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: would want to hear before you even bring in a GM, 494 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: right what's the million dollar question, John, what do you 495 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: think of the roster and what is salvageable on the roster? 496 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 1: What do you think needs to be moved on from 497 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: I mean, that's certainly one of the biggest questions that 498 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: you'd want to ask. And then if you feel okay, 499 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,239 Speaker 1: these components are salvageable. Who's a head coach that you 500 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: think are a coordinator that would be a good fit 501 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 1: working with this personnel. That's why to me it's really 502 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: a two parter. But yeah, we can't make any assumption 503 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 1: that anything is one percent sealed in returning for two 504 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: thousand twenty two and will absolutely be a part of 505 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: the offensive her defensive game plan. It's just to me, 506 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: it's a bit of a crossroads area, I guess, is 507 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: the best way I would describe it, John, because not 508 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: only are you changing the general manager in the head coach, 509 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: but you're at a bit of a crossroads in terms 510 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,239 Speaker 1: of Daniel Jones, because whoever does come in will have 511 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: to make that decision even though they have no ties 512 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: to him, what you're gonna do with that fifth year option, 513 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: because that's just the nature of the timeline of the 514 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: NFL since he was a first round pick. And then 515 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: what's your planet quarterback? Right? I mean, all that all 516 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: that is together, and I guess let's let's circle back 517 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: to your lands and one other thing we didn't talk 518 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: about the head coach church. We've kind of gone a 519 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: wash in a bunch of different areas which it makes sense. 520 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: Everything is connected here, as as Paul likes to said, 521 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: everything is a spiderweb, right. So I guess how important 522 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: is it for you to make a hire here someone 523 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: that has some head coach experience or are you are 524 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: fine with bringing a guy that that's never been a 525 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: head coach before at any level. I don't know if 526 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: I would prioritize they have to be a head coach. 527 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: I think you probably would want somebody with experience though 528 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 1: at their given position. So there's a track record. So John, 529 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:45,959 Speaker 1: if we go back to if you want to bring 530 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 1: in an offensive minded guy, I want to know that 531 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: he's been a coordinator for five years or so, whether 532 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 1: it be at the college level of the NFL level. 533 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: You just you want some track record to go by. Okay, 534 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: it wasn't just a quick flash for a year or 535 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: two that he worked with maybe a variety of different 536 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: personnel and he had a certain level of production. But no, 537 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: I don't think the person has to be a head coach. 538 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: And the reason being is I'll go back to some 539 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: of the examples that we threw out, and yes, remember 540 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: other teams it's dictated based on personnel. But we were 541 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 1: talking about Matt Lafleur, and yes he got Aaron Rodgers, 542 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: but Matt Lafleur has taken the Packers to the playoffs 543 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: each of his first few seasons. Nick Sirianni came in 544 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 1: year one, he didn't have Aaron Rodgers and he was 545 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: able to get the Eagles to the playoffs. So those 546 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: are two guys. They were long established coordinators in the 547 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: NFL without any previous head coaching experience, and I think 548 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: both of those teams certainly are not complaining in terms 549 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: of the direction that they went. Kevin stefanskain, I know Cleveland, 550 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 1: you brought them up. That's why I was thinking of 551 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: the Browns. They didn't have as much success this year 552 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: last year though, And Kevin Stefanski a long established quarterback coach, 553 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator with a variety of different players and a 554 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: variety of different schemes. Zach Taylor, who you reference in Cincinnati, 555 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: he also with somebody that had been coaching quarterbacks as 556 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: well as operating offenses. So we're looking at I named 557 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 1: four teams right there that you could go by that 558 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: did not have previous head coaching experience. So to answer 559 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: your question, no, I don't think they have to be 560 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 1: a previous head coach. But I do think track record 561 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 1: is important. And the reason I say that is, especially 562 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: if you're looking at this through an offensive lens, you 563 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 1: don't want to take a flyer, John, I think at 564 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: this point, right, I mean, given what the Giants have 565 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: gone through a new head coach every two years, That's 566 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 1: why I asked the question the way I did. Yeah, 567 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: I think that's why you probably want to go with 568 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: some firm belief that we know what we're getting, we 569 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 1: know how this person is gonna operate. It doesn't mean 570 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 1: that once again you're gonna get ten wins just like that. Okay, 571 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 1: don't misinterpret what I'm saying, but you just want to 572 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: feel as if the individual coming in he's operated things X, 573 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: Y and Z, he's run offenses. I just feel that 574 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: that at least adds a little bit more of a comfort. 575 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 1: I'm with you. Any final thoughts lines before we wrap 576 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: the sucker up, And by the way, we'll be here 577 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: with a big blue kickoff live Figles and iron A 578 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: noon tomorrow, so we'll have more on it then. But 579 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 1: until then, lands anything else you want to add before 580 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 1: we say goodbye? Well, the only thing I'll add is. 581 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: I think it's going to be now a very interesting process, 582 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 1: or at least the next few weeks interesting from the 583 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: Giants perspective, because, you know, we went in knowing that 584 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: they were going to be changes, but not necessarily thinking 585 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,239 Speaker 1: that it was going to be a fresh slate just 586 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: like we were experiencing a few years ago. So there's 587 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 1: certainly going to be some adventure in terms of interviewing 588 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: all of these candidates, and with change always brings the 589 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: land of the unknown. But the Giants are gonna have 590 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 1: their fair share of candidates to choose from. There's a 591 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 1: lot of people across the league. There's a number of 592 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: head coaches that were let go John over the last 593 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 1: few days. So it's not as if they're not in 594 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: a good position at least to capitalize. It's speaking to individuals, 595 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: and you know what, here's the thing, John, Even if 596 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 1: they don't hire these people, you know what, the good 597 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 1: thing about having them in as an interview, hearing what 598 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: their perspective is about the Giants. Getting a variety of 599 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: outside people to tell Giants ownership where they think they 600 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: should go is not necessarily a bad thing because of 601 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 1: the fact that they wanted once against start fresh good stuff. 602 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: Lance You got it. 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