1
00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:10,240
Speaker 1: Ask your question real good.

2
00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:10,959
Speaker 2: Let's just keep it real.

3
00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:12,840
Speaker 3: Straight Shot with No Chase, I'm gonna get a little

4
00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:17,120
Speaker 3: bit rougher. I'm here for it. Those who really believe

5
00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,759
Speaker 3: in the American process, all of us straight Shot No

6
00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,720
Speaker 3: Chase with your girl Chestom figure Out on the Black

7
00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,400
Speaker 3: Effect Podcast Network. What's having everybody? This is Teslam figure Out,

8
00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,080
Speaker 3: the host of straight Shot No Chaser on the Black

9
00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,800
Speaker 3: Effect Podcast Network on iHeart Radio. I'm really excited. I

10
00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,320
Speaker 3: have two of my good friends and also producers and

11
00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,960
Speaker 3: comms homegirls to sit here with me and go through

12
00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,560
Speaker 3: this content. I'm really excited about this. Guys, I hope

13
00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,880
Speaker 3: you are. Make sure you give me some feedback because

14
00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:47,760
Speaker 3: this is gonna be a great conversation. You'll be hearing

15
00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:49,760
Speaker 3: these ladies a lot with me as we go through,

16
00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,839
Speaker 3: uh the content and kind of switch your stuff up

17
00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:54,920
Speaker 3: on straight Shot on Chaser. I know many of you

18
00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,520
Speaker 3: are used to hearing me just kind of talk to myself,

19
00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:59,880
Speaker 3: talk to the wall, and I even talk back to myself.

20
00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:04,120
Speaker 3: Some people may say that might need evaluation, mental evaluation,

21
00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:08,600
Speaker 3: but point is, I typically am talking to myself or

22
00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,600
Speaker 3: on Instagram live. But we're trying to switch up the

23
00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:13,839
Speaker 3: format a little bit. We want to go through some stories.

24
00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,039
Speaker 3: I want to have some folks in the studio with

25
00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,640
Speaker 3: me in order to just kind of make sure you

26
00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,240
Speaker 3: know that I'm getting good feedback and that we're researching

27
00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,760
Speaker 3: these stories, and you know, you get to hear a

28
00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,720
Speaker 3: different perspective besides myself. So I do want to welcome

29
00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,119
Speaker 3: Michelle Wattley, who is the founder of the Grio Group

30
00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,039
Speaker 3: and also she is the founder of Shirley's Kitchen Cabinet.

31
00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,640
Speaker 3: Also have Jade Heral here with me, who produces everything

32
00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,240
Speaker 3: for me, pretty much anything that I need done from

33
00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,920
Speaker 3: a production standpoint. We're producing segments, whether it's from Page

34
00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,080
Speaker 3: News on the Breakfast Club, whether it's Straight Shot, No Chaser,

35
00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,640
Speaker 3: tes on ten, any of the projects that I do.

36
00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:52,880
Speaker 3: Jay does a million different things. She has her own

37
00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,840
Speaker 3: consulting business where she's always coaching and teaching and educating.

38
00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:58,920
Speaker 3: But I have been blessed to have her work with

39
00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:03,120
Speaker 3: me as a project manager and associate producer with helping

40
00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,560
Speaker 3: me get my stories together. So I have really two

41
00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,760
Speaker 3: shark women here and that don't always disagree with me,

42
00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,359
Speaker 3: so that's always a good thing. So welcome ladies. Thank

43
00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:18,040
Speaker 3: you for having me, Tis, Yes, thank you for having me, Yes, ma'am. Well,

44
00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,600
Speaker 3: we're gonna get straight into it now. Michelle and I

45
00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,440
Speaker 3: had a big old thing about this on another show

46
00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:31,120
Speaker 3: about Fanny Willis and Nathan Wade, who we know for

47
00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,760
Speaker 3: those who don't know, got involved in an affair. That is,

48
00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,880
Speaker 3: Fanny Willis is the prosecutor that is prosecuting Donald Trump

49
00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:44,239
Speaker 3: in Georgia, and their love affair became a public issue

50
00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,200
Speaker 3: when it should be about the case, but all of

51
00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,799
Speaker 3: a sudden it turned into messy boots. I'm gonna play

52
00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,800
Speaker 3: this quick clip because he's now speaking out for the

53
00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,600
Speaker 3: very first time, and then we're gonna have a conversation

54
00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,320
Speaker 3: about this. Take a listen.

55
00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,239
Speaker 4: Lead to prosecution in the election interference case against former

56
00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,720
Speaker 4: President Trump and others in Georgia, and margin judges were

57
00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,160
Speaker 4: forced him to resign after it was revealed that he

58
00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,519
Speaker 4: had a romantic relationship with Fonnie Willis County Day who

59
00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,560
Speaker 4: hired him. Now he's speaking out for the first time

60
00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:18,160
Speaker 4: about that relationship.

61
00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:24,600
Speaker 1: Workplace romances where as Americans it happens to everyone, but

62
00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,480
Speaker 1: it happened to the two of us.

63
00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:35,160
Speaker 3: Do you regret it? I regret that.

64
00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:40,640
Speaker 1: That private matter became the focal point of this very

65
00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:48,240
Speaker 1: important prosecution. This is a very important case. I hate

66
00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:56,640
Speaker 1: that my personal life has begun to overshadow the true

67
00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:57,960
Speaker 1: issues in the case.

68
00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:02,920
Speaker 5: But at some point, once that bond is there, and

69
00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,720
Speaker 5: if democracy is on the line as has been described,

70
00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:12,000
Speaker 5: do you say maybe we pause this until after the

71
00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:12,760
Speaker 5: case is over.

72
00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,720
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Absolutely, I'll concede that that that could have been

73
00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:23,800
Speaker 1: an approach. But there again, when you are in the

74
00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:28,560
Speaker 1: middle of it, these feelings are developing, and you get

75
00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,720
Speaker 1: to a point to where the feelings are are are

76
00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,359
Speaker 1: so strong that you know, you start to want to

77
00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:40,080
Speaker 1: do things that really are none of the public's concerns.

78
00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,159
Speaker 3: So he said it's none of your business, basically says

79
00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:46,800
Speaker 3: none of your business. Michelle, let's go straight to you.

80
00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,200
Speaker 3: Sounds like you've been prepping him because you you said

81
00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:54,000
Speaker 3: that messed to about it being affairs as mayor you

82
00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,560
Speaker 3: just say as apple pie, but you pretty much said

83
00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,320
Speaker 3: it happens all the time. There's nothing new or different

84
00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,719
Speaker 3: what it does. But did you prep Eima or what?

85
00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:04,840
Speaker 6: No, because first of all, I don't like apple pie

86
00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,039
Speaker 6: like that. I would have said peach cobbler. So let's

87
00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,279
Speaker 6: just get that, you know, just taking care of it

88
00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,560
Speaker 6: and sorted first of all and secret of all. We

89
00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,240
Speaker 6: had this discussion we were talking about Prosecutor Willis. We

90
00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,719
Speaker 6: briefly spoke on Nathan Wade and we shared the opinion

91
00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,640
Speaker 6: that it is his role to be quiet. Why is

92
00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,800
Speaker 6: he talking to the press in the first place, And

93
00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,000
Speaker 6: for him to then go back to the press and

94
00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,520
Speaker 6: give this statement as this whole issue is starting to

95
00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,359
Speaker 6: die down just further, it infuriates me. I mean, what

96
00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,760
Speaker 6: about what's going on with men that were kissing and telling?

97
00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:45,120
Speaker 6: I mean, right, I'm just gonna need him to be quiet.

98
00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,600
Speaker 6: Maybe it's a new generation thing, this is what we're

99
00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,120
Speaker 6: doing now, but I also think of Mayor Willie Brown,

100
00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:55,320
Speaker 6: vice friend now vice president Kam Layers was running for

101
00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,679
Speaker 6: president and him coming out and kissing and telling and telling,

102
00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,280
Speaker 6: you know, the SORTI D tells of their affair. I

103
00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,320
Speaker 6: just need people to be quiet, take the J Cole

104
00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,640
Speaker 6: route and step out of step out of mess. You

105
00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,120
Speaker 6: don't need to be involved.

106
00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,240
Speaker 3: And to be clear because I because I know when

107
00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,400
Speaker 3: people say J Cole, I mean when people say generation,

108
00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,520
Speaker 3: I will always want to be clear because I think

109
00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,640
Speaker 3: what you probably mean is era, because this man is Yeah,

110
00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,640
Speaker 3: so this is not this these from a generation. When

111
00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,280
Speaker 3: people here generation, they hear age and so we want

112
00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,640
Speaker 3: to be clear. This is a full grown ass man

113
00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,280
Speaker 3: that I believe. Let's google it right quick, just while

114
00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,080
Speaker 3: we're looking at it. How old is Nathan Wade? I

115
00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,159
Speaker 3: believe he's in his fifties, so be.

116
00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,800
Speaker 6: Way too old to be given a statement like this

117
00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,920
Speaker 6: at this point, and it's supposedly too educated as an

118
00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,080
Speaker 6: attorney and understand the gravity of this entire case. Why

119
00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:49,839
Speaker 6: would you step back out and be talking to the

120
00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,279
Speaker 6: press unnecessarily? So this is totally unnecessary.

121
00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I just again just want to clarify, this

122
00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,080
Speaker 3: is a full grown ass man. This is not a

123
00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,720
Speaker 3: generation thing, but it might be an era. We're in

124
00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,360
Speaker 3: an era now where everybody feel like they got to

125
00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,400
Speaker 3: explain everything. And then too, let us not forget Nathan,

126
00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,320
Speaker 3: you over here still fighting these child support, this child support.

127
00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,760
Speaker 3: Remember the wife came back and said or the ex

128
00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,120
Speaker 3: wife because remember you you were married when you did this.

129
00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,520
Speaker 3: And now again, let's again, we know people do this

130
00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:18,000
Speaker 3: all the time.

131
00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:18,280
Speaker 1: Guys.

132
00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,520
Speaker 3: We already flushed out the conversation. We know that this happened.

133
00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,320
Speaker 3: If you've been white, they wouldn't matter. We know that

134
00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,120
Speaker 3: they owned them extra because they black. But we also

135
00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,080
Speaker 3: agreed that because we know all those things, we also

136
00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,520
Speaker 3: know that they are watching us. And we also know

137
00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:36,360
Speaker 3: that this is a case where again you are going

138
00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,800
Speaker 3: after the former president of the United States, So you

139
00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,400
Speaker 3: have to have the understanding that all eyes are on you,

140
00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,679
Speaker 3: and I get it. Mistakes are made. But again, Nathan,

141
00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,080
Speaker 3: you were married at the time you went and told

142
00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,520
Speaker 3: his homeboard. Remember mister Johnson that he told that ran

143
00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,960
Speaker 3: back and told everything. So you was kissing the taille

144
00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,240
Speaker 3: number one, because we can't forget about him that went

145
00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,320
Speaker 3: snitched and told the white woman. And so you talk

146
00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,960
Speaker 3: too much. You were married at the time, and then

147
00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,400
Speaker 3: you just heard him say when they realized that they

148
00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,800
Speaker 3: should have stopped, they continued on. So where are we

149
00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,840
Speaker 3: with this? Why Jade, is Nathan even talking to the

150
00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,280
Speaker 3: media at all? Like, what is the benefit that is?

151
00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,480
Speaker 3: When you know this case it's still up, you know,

152
00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,080
Speaker 3: still in the middle of being process. Does he possibly

153
00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,960
Speaker 3: think that him talking is going to be helpful to

154
00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,840
Speaker 3: the jury selection. I'm trying to figure out what's the angle.

155
00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't think he really cares about the jury selection.

156
00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,400
Speaker 7: In my opinion, I think he's just on a sympathy tour.

157
00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:36,079
Speaker 7: He's already been painted negatively by the media. Like you said,

158
00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,400
Speaker 7: the child support park came up. His ex wife is

159
00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,000
Speaker 7: not happy with him at all. She's accused them of

160
00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,160
Speaker 7: or him of spending money on the DA Fanny Willis,

161
00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,000
Speaker 7: you know, basically essentially her money. And so other than

162
00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,800
Speaker 7: gaining sympathy or trying to speak his peace, I'm not sure,

163
00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:55,679
Speaker 7: but it just seems to be really self centered and

164
00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,040
Speaker 7: self absorbed, and he knew exactly what he was doing.

165
00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,920
Speaker 7: He said, and I quote on this ABC News interview, quote,

166
00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,240
Speaker 7: it wasn't lost upon the two of us that things

167
00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,880
Speaker 7: could bleed over into the case and start to affect it.

168
00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:08,559
Speaker 2: End quote.

169
00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,319
Speaker 7: When you are quote again, when you are in the

170
00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,920
Speaker 7: middle of it, these feelings are developing, and you get

171
00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,720
Speaker 7: to a point where the feelings are so strong that

172
00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,719
Speaker 7: you start to, you know, want to do things that

173
00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,800
Speaker 7: really are none of the public's concern, but you bring

174
00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:24,960
Speaker 7: it to the public and you're talking about it. So

175
00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,079
Speaker 7: I just think that he wants to set the record

176
00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,120
Speaker 7: straight on his own and it seems like he's really

177
00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,400
Speaker 7: just focused on his own mission making sure that he

178
00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,440
Speaker 7: tries to clear his name. I don't see how this

179
00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,320
Speaker 7: actually works in his favor, But I don't see him

180
00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,960
Speaker 7: being more concerned with the case than he is about himself.

181
00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, because what sympathy could he possibly be. I'm just

182
00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:46,840
Speaker 3: trying to figure if this is a sympathy toward sympathy

183
00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,680
Speaker 3: for what. I guess what would the sympathy be.

184
00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:54,600
Speaker 7: Well, hey, I was just in love. This happens all

185
00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,960
Speaker 7: the time. I'm a human being, and you know, my

186
00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,360
Speaker 7: feelings for Fanny were, you know, just a human experience

187
00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:02,800
Speaker 7: and it wasn't that bad.

188
00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,280
Speaker 2: I think that is alternate objective.

189
00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's not landing well, sir, because when you

190
00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,920
Speaker 3: start talking about taking accountability, there's something about taking accountability

191
00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,240
Speaker 3: that matters. And so when you're saying, hey, it's just

192
00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,440
Speaker 3: it's like everybody else, this is American as apple pie.

193
00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,800
Speaker 3: But we're not talking about apple pie, sir. We're talking

194
00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:27,200
Speaker 3: about the fact that your woman hired you. First of all,

195
00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,240
Speaker 3: let's start there. This is why, again, just date the

196
00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,000
Speaker 3: bus driver. This is why I'm all about just dating

197
00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,720
Speaker 3: the bus driver. So let's just start there. You hired him,

198
00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,439
Speaker 3: you're a lover, and again, I'm not beating up Fanny Willis,

199
00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,240
Speaker 3: Like I get it. I know it's gonna be harder

200
00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,400
Speaker 3: on her, but I also know she knows better. Like

201
00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,439
Speaker 3: I know she knows better. You know, her dad is

202
00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,800
Speaker 3: a long time sitting judge. She know the game. She

203
00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,040
Speaker 3: know how this game is played. So first of all,

204
00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,000
Speaker 3: this hiring your man to work under you, let's first

205
00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,280
Speaker 3: start with that, ladies, I'm gonna need you to go

206
00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,079
Speaker 3: get him a job. He could have got a job

207
00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,920
Speaker 3: at any DA office in all of Georgia. She got

208
00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,679
Speaker 3: the pull. Why hire him for what? If it had

209
00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,760
Speaker 3: nothing to do with going on no trips? I tip

210
00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,720
Speaker 3: of this all the time they could afford. Those were cruises,

211
00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:07,880
Speaker 3: you know, two three thousand, I thinks, plus she paid

212
00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:09,920
Speaker 3: the whole way the whole time. So I'm trying to

213
00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:14,320
Speaker 3: figure out what was the benefit the benefit of him,

214
00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,240
Speaker 3: And you could have just hooked him up with another job.

215
00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,280
Speaker 3: So you were trying to hire him so he could

216
00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,120
Speaker 3: I guess, get out of his divorce or pay his

217
00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,199
Speaker 3: money or do whatever it was. But then at the

218
00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,200
Speaker 3: same top, knowing that all eyes are gonna be on y'all,

219
00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,080
Speaker 3: it just didn't make it just doesn't make sense to

220
00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,760
Speaker 3: be as brilliant as she is and him it just

221
00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:31,360
Speaker 3: doesn't make it just doesn't make sense.

222
00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,280
Speaker 7: I just wonder how this lands with the da Fanny Willis,

223
00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,680
Speaker 7: Like if I was hurt, I would be pissed off, Like, really,

224
00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,559
Speaker 7: you're gonna sit and do a whole interview on ABC.

225
00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:47,080
Speaker 6: Right as this is dying down, Like again, you're too

226
00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,280
Speaker 6: brilliant to know, you know, to not know that this

227
00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,280
Speaker 6: is just terrible. It was terrible timing, It was unnecessary.

228
00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,800
Speaker 6: If we're going with Jay's theory that he was trying

229
00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:01,840
Speaker 6: to humanize himself, is that should not trump the work

230
00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:06,960
Speaker 6: that's going on to bring former President Trump to justice, period.

231
00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:12,360
Speaker 6: And so it's just it's I'd be a jadaflower Dan Lewis.

232
00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,000
Speaker 6: I would be angry also.

233
00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,000
Speaker 3: And he still didn't say when they asked him if

234
00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,200
Speaker 3: you regretted the relationship, he said, well, I regret that

235
00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,840
Speaker 3: it became everybody's business. No, you were married at the time, sir,

236
00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,959
Speaker 3: Why don't you just say you regretted the relationship. I

237
00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,080
Speaker 3: made a poor decision, even if I wasn't married at

238
00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,120
Speaker 3: the time. I made a poor decision, not that it

239
00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,200
Speaker 3: became everybody see, this is just not accountability. Guys, I'm sorry,

240
00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,040
Speaker 3: and Christis come, this is not accountability if you're gonna

241
00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:39,840
Speaker 3: come out to even if you line, if you're gonna

242
00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:41,679
Speaker 3: come out to be like, hey, I regret what happened.

243
00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,920
Speaker 3: I wish it would have never happened. Shit, Donald Trump

244
00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:46,800
Speaker 3: did that with the grabbing by the pee. He believed

245
00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,800
Speaker 3: everything he said, but at least he came out and said, hey,

246
00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,280
Speaker 3: I regret what happened. Or that's the only one thing

247
00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,200
Speaker 3: he does. By the way, So I'm not caving for

248
00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,360
Speaker 3: Donald Trump. I'm just saying if he was gonna come

249
00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,760
Speaker 3: out and do it, why not just say it was

250
00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,719
Speaker 3: a bad decision, the timing was wrong. If I had

251
00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,000
Speaker 3: to do all over again, I would do something different.

252
00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,960
Speaker 3: I regret that I have possibly damaged the reputation of

253
00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,000
Speaker 3: a woman that I highly respect, that worked really hard

254
00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,560
Speaker 3: to get to that position. I regret that I had

255
00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,280
Speaker 3: to put my family through this. I regret that I

256
00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:19,040
Speaker 3: had to put Fanny's family through this. The embarrassment. I

257
00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,640
Speaker 3: regret any embarrassment that we have caused the state of Georgia,

258
00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,160
Speaker 3: Like where is that at? I mean, if anything, you're

259
00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,080
Speaker 3: gonna get a simple you will get more sympathy from

260
00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:27,520
Speaker 3: that than.

261
00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:31,840
Speaker 6: This, of course, because the accountability takes it too account

262
00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,320
Speaker 6: all of the people that were impacted by this, and

263
00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,079
Speaker 6: that is what's missing from the statement. And if you're

264
00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,200
Speaker 6: not going to do that, then at this point you

265
00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,080
Speaker 6: just need to shut be quiet.

266
00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, shut the hell up. We can say, just shut up, like,

267
00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:44,840
Speaker 3: shut the hell.

268
00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,120
Speaker 6: Up, Okay, yeah, just shut up. You don't want to

269
00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,160
Speaker 6: ask your opinion. Nobody was talking about this, it's not

270
00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,920
Speaker 6: even in crisis mode at this moment. Why come out

271
00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:53,319
Speaker 6: at all?

272
00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:01,400
Speaker 3: You think they still together?

273
00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,040
Speaker 7: But that's what I was about to ask. I think

274
00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,640
Speaker 7: they might still be together because.

275
00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,040
Speaker 3: I don't think they together? Because why because if you

276
00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,400
Speaker 3: if we together, surely she ain't talking that. Surely she

277
00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,320
Speaker 3: ain't that dumb to think this was gonna be helpful.

278
00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,080
Speaker 3: So you say you think they together? Why you think

279
00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:15,559
Speaker 3: they together?

280
00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:15,880
Speaker 2: Jade?

281
00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:18,480
Speaker 7: You just might want to see if they if he's

282
00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:20,920
Speaker 7: going to publicly you know how he's going to deal

283
00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:22,520
Speaker 7: with this. But if he would have spoken about the

284
00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:24,800
Speaker 7: relationship as if it were past tense and it was

285
00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:25,920
Speaker 7: like over and resolved.

286
00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,640
Speaker 2: But he's not talking like that, so I'm not really sure.

287
00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:31,560
Speaker 4: Hmm.

288
00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:32,920
Speaker 2: This is interesting.

289
00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:38,160
Speaker 3: I feel like I feel like well, because I'm just

290
00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,080
Speaker 3: going with if he's saying, Hey, I'm gonna get out

291
00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,480
Speaker 3: of here and say myself, don't we ain't together no more?

292
00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,120
Speaker 3: We don't have no relationship. You know, he's he's damn

293
00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,760
Speaker 3: sure not defending her. So you would think if if

294
00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,560
Speaker 3: this was still her man, would he not be defending her?

295
00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:55,640
Speaker 3: Surely that this is a better strategy than this.

296
00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:04,040
Speaker 6: Access they ended it in twenty twenty three or something

297
00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,560
Speaker 6: like that. Regardless if they are still together, I'm gonna

298
00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,280
Speaker 6: need Fineing to make some different choices at this point.

299
00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,760
Speaker 6: They shouldn't be after this. I would hope she's smart

300
00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,160
Speaker 6: enough to and I you know, I hope she's smart

301
00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,680
Speaker 6: enough to understand that this needs to be debted at

302
00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:19,680
Speaker 6: this point. Just for running your mouth.

303
00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,200
Speaker 3: What you said when you said it's American as Applepaeta,

304
00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,040
Speaker 3: you don't think on one late night, might as well.

305
00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,200
Speaker 6: Just hit it just I don't eat applipie like that.

306
00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:31,200
Speaker 6: I'm not. I'm still the American in this country.

307
00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:34,400
Speaker 3: That I mean what you did say. Yeah, but you

308
00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,760
Speaker 3: said things happened people working late over time. You was

309
00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,960
Speaker 3: projecting real big on this one last time I'm gonna

310
00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:41,160
Speaker 3: tell people, I have to.

311
00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,120
Speaker 6: I have to look at the video to confirm, you know,

312
00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,239
Speaker 6: whether it was said or what was not said. But regardless,

313
00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:54,120
Speaker 6: kissing and telling like this, ain't it? Albert. I don't

314
00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,000
Speaker 6: know what this is, but I'm not for this. I

315
00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:57,160
Speaker 6: many men to be quiet.

316
00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I guess see it already. They had already

317
00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:01,320
Speaker 3: called them, So.

318
00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,600
Speaker 6: That mean you didn't come back to be rehashitate. And

319
00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:10,080
Speaker 6: especially because this is a situation that has been adjudicated

320
00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,120
Speaker 6: in a court of law, I would imagine that anything

321
00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,040
Speaker 6: he's saying after this could be used as you know,

322
00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:20,920
Speaker 6: additional fire or fodder for or President Trump and his

323
00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,400
Speaker 6: team down the road, you know where you're looking at,

324
00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,960
Speaker 6: who you're dealing with. That enough that in itself should

325
00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:27,000
Speaker 6: be enough for you to be quiet.

326
00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,680
Speaker 3: And maybe they don't feel like they have to apologize

327
00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,760
Speaker 3: for it, because if we look at what Fanny said,

328
00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,360
Speaker 3: Fani said before she said, I don't feel like my

329
00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:39,080
Speaker 3: reputations quote needs to be reclaimed. She said this in March.

330
00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:40,880
Speaker 3: She said, I guess my greatest crime is that I

331
00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:42,920
Speaker 3: had a relationship with a man That's not something I

332
00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,280
Speaker 3: find embarrassing in any way, and I know that I

333
00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,840
Speaker 3: have not done anything illegal. So maybe my strategy is saying, hey,

334
00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,320
Speaker 3: I the timing wasn't right, I should have did something different.

335
00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,040
Speaker 3: Maybe they say, no, we ain't going with that. We're

336
00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,240
Speaker 3: gonna stand Tento's down. We had a fair bottom line.

337
00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,760
Speaker 3: It wasn't anything illegal, and that's that I just me personally,

338
00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,800
Speaker 3: Even if they didn't want to acknowledge any wrongdoing, I

339
00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,600
Speaker 3: do think that by saying oh, yeah, it just happens,

340
00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:11,840
Speaker 3: it's not good enough because again, like Michelle and I

341
00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:16,240
Speaker 3: went around around with this about before we're talking about ethics.

342
00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,520
Speaker 3: When you work within an organization just a period, even

343
00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,800
Speaker 3: on a job, and you're dating your boss, those are

344
00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,359
Speaker 3: things you're supposed to make known, you know, to the company,

345
00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,760
Speaker 3: to the HR department, all of that. So this was

346
00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,960
Speaker 3: literally against the ethics and the rules. And then when

347
00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,119
Speaker 3: you really start talking about you know, hiding it and

348
00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,560
Speaker 3: all of that, now you're running into more of a problem.

349
00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,200
Speaker 3: Before we start talking about the money thing, because I

350
00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,080
Speaker 3: don't think it was you know, to spend money or

351
00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,000
Speaker 3: that reason. Just the bottom line is it was just

352
00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,920
Speaker 3: it's just unethical according to the ethical and so now

353
00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,159
Speaker 3: you have to start explaining that in front of the

354
00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,480
Speaker 3: Bar Association and everybody else. You know, So this idea

355
00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,919
Speaker 3: of I didn't do anything illegal, Yeah, you didn't do

356
00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,959
Speaker 3: anything illegal, but you did do something unethical according not

357
00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,800
Speaker 3: according to what I think is ethical, just Michelle and

358
00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:03,400
Speaker 3: I Jay talking, but according to the standards of the

359
00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,280
Speaker 3: policy in that office, and as what people keep forgetting.

360
00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,040
Speaker 3: They kept bringing up the policy in that office and

361
00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,240
Speaker 3: how that was disregarded for their own personal so they

362
00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,040
Speaker 3: knew what they were doing, which is why they never

363
00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:14,639
Speaker 3: disclosed it.

364
00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, and whether you are looking at it from the

365
00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:25,920
Speaker 6: lens of policy within the organization or the government or institution,

366
00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:31,080
Speaker 6: or the larger issue of whether it's a legal or

367
00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,359
Speaker 6: legal at the end of the day, and tis I

368
00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,719
Speaker 6: think you and I agree on this. We grew up

369
00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:38,439
Speaker 6: knowing that we had to be twice as good to

370
00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,400
Speaker 6: get half, and so you want to at all times

371
00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,440
Speaker 6: whenever possible. And sure you're not putting yourself in a position,

372
00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,720
Speaker 6: you know, where you're not showing up twice as good. However,

373
00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,360
Speaker 6: when that happens, what you then don't go and do

374
00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:55,679
Speaker 6: is go time to ABC to you know, humanize yourself,

375
00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,280
Speaker 6: gain sympathy points of whatever was going through his mind

376
00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,600
Speaker 6: when he decided to have this interview. There were a

377
00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,159
Speaker 6: lot of people impacted, whether it was a legal or

378
00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,119
Speaker 6: legal ethical or not, you know, not ethical. There are

379
00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:09,680
Speaker 6: a lot of people that are going to be impacted

380
00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:13,800
Speaker 6: by this, including da Willis or her family, and so

381
00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:19,280
Speaker 6: it was just an unnecessary enforced error I think on

382
00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,439
Speaker 6: Nathan Wade's part. And again I just I'd like to

383
00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,800
Speaker 6: go to an air where we just don't kiss and

384
00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,520
Speaker 6: tell we just be quiet. We'll need to know what

385
00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,240
Speaker 6: pies you eat. That's none of my business, and I

386
00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:31,359
Speaker 6: could candlest just.

387
00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,920
Speaker 3: Do you think maybe because I know politicians are full

388
00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:36,719
Speaker 3: of ego, we talk about this all the time, but

389
00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,440
Speaker 3: do you think she possibly was a little bit leaning

390
00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,439
Speaker 3: in on it because it was a woman. You know,

391
00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,280
Speaker 3: I talked about this last week when I talked about

392
00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:49,280
Speaker 3: the maid, the stallion and the driver of her car.

393
00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,639
Speaker 3: You know, that was saying he was put, you know,

394
00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,080
Speaker 3: in a bad situation. A rasman had to watch women

395
00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,439
Speaker 3: have sex. So I talked about the balance of power

396
00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,280
Speaker 3: with women. If we want to be honest, if this

397
00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:03,439
Speaker 3: had been a vice versa a man that was sleeping

398
00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,600
Speaker 3: with a subordinate because he is subbordin no matter what

399
00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,960
Speaker 3: position he had, what would that conversation look like what

400
00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,159
Speaker 3: that had been talked about? You know, does the woman

401
00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,600
Speaker 3: she getting more slack because again we know because because

402
00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,000
Speaker 3: she's black, we know that for sure, we know because

403
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,760
Speaker 3: she's going to have the president Trump. But I do

404
00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,560
Speaker 3: want to ask you honestly though like women, we don't

405
00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,640
Speaker 3: we're not really used to getting caught up in shit

406
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,720
Speaker 3: like this, just to be honest, you know, because usually

407
00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,320
Speaker 3: the man is receptive of whatever that advance. Is he

408
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,800
Speaker 3: normally not? You know, kids can tell they normally don't

409
00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,720
Speaker 3: meet to you. They normally don't say that there was

410
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,920
Speaker 3: a power dynamic if even if you understand what I'm saying,

411
00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:44,320
Speaker 3: like a power dynamic that makes this not okay. Typically

412
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,280
Speaker 3: when it's women who are sleeping with the boss, then

413
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,159
Speaker 3: it goes into what she probably felt she had to

414
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,240
Speaker 3: do that because she needs the job or she da

415
00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,480
Speaker 3: da dah. But I think women in power may be

416
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:59,120
Speaker 3: a little more lax with saying whatever we want to

417
00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 3: the many, eating wherever we want to, because the men

418
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,760
Speaker 3: usually don't make this claim, which he did not make

419
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 3: this claim. I'm just having a larger conversation somebody made

420
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 3: it for him though, So just a larger conversation with

421
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:15,120
Speaker 3: women bosses. Should women bosses start paying attention to Yes,

422
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 3: you sleeping with men who are your subordinate can come

423
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 3: back to bite you in the ass. And you just

424
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 3: can't assume that because you're a woman, that you're gonna

425
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 3: get a pass. Some of these men gonna start, even

426
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 3: me to me tooing you not this particular thing, but

427
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,920
Speaker 3: you know, like what happened with made the Stallion's bodyguard.

428
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 3: I did an interview with that, and Courtney was like,

429
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 3: oh man, this is weak. He's just weak. And I'm like,

430
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 3: I get that. But if I want women's words to

431
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,959
Speaker 3: be taken serious, and I gotta take men's words serious

432
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,120
Speaker 3: as well. And if somebody felt like they were put

433
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,679
Speaker 3: in a bad situation and the sexual you know, and

434
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 3: couldn't just quit the job, you know, for whatever reason.

435
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,400
Speaker 3: And I'm not talking about, you know, digging too much

436
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 3: in that case. I'm just saying in general, women sleeping

437
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 3: with men, should they be more cautious, you know as

438
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,919
Speaker 3: men and have now had to conform to being more cautious.

439
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 7: Yes, And I think that they should be more cautious

440
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,919
Speaker 7: of putting putting themselves in positions where they look like

441
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 7: a simp.

442
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 2: A good look for Nathan Wade, Like, yes.

443
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 7: You're sleeping with your or in relationship, having relations with

444
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 7: your superior, and you got caught and you're in the

445
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 7: middle of, you know, a divorce and you have children

446
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 7: and like you're caught up on child support and all

447
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 7: of this because you wanted to, you know, go to

448
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 7: Poundtown so to.

449
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 2: Speak with your boss. It just doesn't look good.

450
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 7: And I think that that could also be a reason

451
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 7: why he wanted to get some attention and going ABC

452
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 7: News today and have this interview. I know that the

453
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,120
Speaker 7: Trump camp is going to eat this up. They're already

454
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:51,440
Speaker 7: coming for da Fannie Lewis Fannie Willis's neck. They want

455
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 7: her off the case. She did qualify to run for

456
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 7: d A again. But I don't see how any of

457
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 7: this is gonna work in his favor. And then also

458
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 7: along the lines of being cautious of looking like a

459
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 7: scent by getting caught. If you're a dude in this situation,

460
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 7: what does this say to your children when they grow

461
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 7: up and they see this and they read the scandal

462
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 7: and see that you sat down and did this interview

463
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 7: and got caught up in this stuff like, it's just

464
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 7: not a good look all the way around.

465
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,640
Speaker 2: Yes, to answer your question, says.

466
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 7: I do believe that men should be very, very cautious

467
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 7: of getting caught up in these situations. And no, women,

468
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 7: especially black women, should not let their guards down or

469
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 7: get sloppy, you know, in positions of power while on

470
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 7: the job.

471
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you think it's in simp category. Now, some

472
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 3: people might look at it as play a category like, hey, man,

473
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 3: you getting the ass, you getting the money, you getting

474
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 3: the whole nine. It's a lot of men saying, where

475
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 3: can I sign up for that job?

476
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 6: Did?

477
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 7: But at at the expense of your dignity? I mean,

478
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 7: come on, this is just a bad look.

479
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,199
Speaker 3: Well, I guess he wasn't expected on getting caught. But

480
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 3: players are like, shit, I got a six figure salary

481
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 3: and I'm getting to hit it. That's like a plus.

482
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 3: That's it's a plus long man.

483
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 6: And I think this is why women have to be

484
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 6: Women in power have to be mindful of how they

485
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,919
Speaker 6: wield that power. I think that structures of power have

486
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 6: been built by and built to benefit white men, and

487
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 6: the examples of our power is wielded, and especially in

488
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 6: corporate spaces. How you go about attaining that power. I

489
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 6: think that women of color, and particularly black women, we

490
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 6: mimic the systems that we see, and we have to

491
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,719
Speaker 6: remember we can't use their systems and expect the same outcomes.

492
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 6: So you know, a man would be able to have

493
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 6: a different experience if he were the Da and Nathan

494
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 6: Wade was a woman, even if they were black. But

495
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 6: what we're seeing is that Fani Da Fannie Willis is

496
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 6: still having to take the heat for this, even with

497
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 6: her being in the position of power. It's not looked

498
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 6: at or viewed or perceived as her being the player

499
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 6: player and having somebody under her that she's paying work

500
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 6: for her.

501
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 3: No, she was like, yeah, let's make she forget our titles. Right.

502
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 3: She not looking like a player. She's full fledged sugar mama.

503
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 3: He is the player, but Jay say, he is simp.

504
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 3: So that's why I like these different perspectives. He looking

505
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 3: real simplest to Jade, to me, he looking like a

506
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 3: sugar baby. He looking like a player, like a pimp.

507
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 3: She is definitely in the sugar mama category. For sure,

508
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 3: She's in the.

509
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 6: Sugar mama category, but it's the category because of the

510
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 6: situation that she's in because of the position, position of

511
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 6: power that she holds, because of the standard of epics.

512
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 6: As you you know, pointed out that she has to

513
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 6: uphold no, that is.

514
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 3: Law license yea. So those are two different things. So

515
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 3: in regards to that she looking like a dummy, I'm

516
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 3: trying to take out that like her law license and

517
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 3: all that you looking like a straight fool. I don't

518
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 3: give them if he made more, not more than you,

519
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 3: you looking like a fool. But I'm taking that out.

520
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 3: I'm just talking about for the regular somebody a manager

521
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 3: at Walmart and just hiring their love under them. I'm

522
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 3: just something the sugar mama concept because I just wanted

523
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 3: to tap into the sugar mama concept before we close

524
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 3: up on the importance of what a sugar mama Suldar

525
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 3: should not do. I just want to tap in on that.

526
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 3: I'm not talking about her, I'm just saying in general,

527
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 3: in other words, if you're gonna hook a man up

528
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 3: with a job, get him a job outside jr. Shit,

529
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 3: don't shit where you eat. That's my point. If you

530
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 3: if you're gonna take care of a man for whatever

531
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 3: it is, well I won't say take care she gave

532
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 3: him a job. If you're gonna give him some ass

533
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 3: or you're gonna do whatever, he gonna pay what he wagh.

534
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 3: Let's make sure we're not putting our law licenses on

535
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,479
Speaker 3: the line. Let's make sure we're not putting our ethics

536
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 3: on the line. Like I need you to be a

537
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 3: better I need you to be a better sugar mom,

538
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 3: is what I'm saying.

539
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 6: Now.

540
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 3: She may not look at it like that. She may

541
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 3: look at it like she said she paid her own

542
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 3: stuff while she was on the trips. He paid his

543
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 3: own stuff right on the trip. Well, this man was

544
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 3: winning all the way around. He didn't have to pay

545
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 3: for nothing. He got the ass, he got a job,

546
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 3: he got, according to them, got skipped over. They said

547
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 3: that he was qualified, but not the most qualified. So

548
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 3: accord to him, he winning all the way around. So

549
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 3: some men look, she might have been.

550
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 6: Some good you know what you know. I let you

551
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 6: say it, but I think you're articulating. Well, when women

552
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 6: have the power, it's certainly not perceived that way.

553
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 3: And you sound like one of the men when they

554
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 3: be like you're getting something to it. Don't work that way.

555
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 3: You know, it ain't the mutual beneficial you still it's usual.

556
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 6: I mean, good D is good D and it's a

557
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 6: great thing to have, you know, she wasn't.

558
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 3: Oh we can deligate loss. Yeah, No, I don't know

559
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,239
Speaker 3: a total lot, because we can just get good D

560
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 3: from anybody. Let's just go with the bus driver. They

561
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 3: have the best.

562
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 6: Let's go the prosecutor of you know, pull On County.

563
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 6: It's probably harder to get good D and good D

564
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 6: that will, you know, not kiss and tail Uh? I

565
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 6: don't know.

566
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 3: Clearly, clearly clearly being a assistant prosecutor, he's up here

567
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 3: kissing the tailor. Not only is he kissing the tailor,

568
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 3: you can you can cause him lose my law license.

569
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 3: And your ass is supposed to be on the case.

570
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 3: So I don't know. I think the risk to go

571
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 3: with the bus driver.

572
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 6: Capability he can put down and the bus telling all

573
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 6: your business.

574
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 3: I'm not still telling all the business. I might as

575
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 3: well go with the one that gonna cost me my

576
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 3: law license. Let let us not skip over the bus

577
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 3: driver now, because the bus driver gonna stay in this

578
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 3: damn place, I assure you, because he don't have access

579
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 3: to that type of level of power. I don't think

580
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 3: the bus driver. I think the bus driver gonna hit that,

581
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 3: quit that and keep it pushing. In my opinion, if

582
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 3: I and if he do tell, we see he telling,

583
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 3: So I'd rather tell and it not cost me my

584
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 3: whole career versus his talking ass. That's telling and literally

585
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,719
Speaker 3: cost me my whole career. Because you work in my office.

586
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 3: M I don't know, Jake, but you say bus driver

587
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 3: or colleague.

588
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 7: Part of the bus driver because you know your colleague

589
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 7: got your daddy having to come to court and testify

590
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 7: like how.

591
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: I'm a daddy.

592
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 7: But her father literally had to come and sit on

593
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 7: the stand and testify like the bus driver is not

594
00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 7: gonna put you in that situation.

595
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 2: I'm just and he.

596
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 3: Can't be in this sit waye because literally he's the

597
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 3: bus driver, so he's not a part of the case.

598
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 3: It's okay to like, this is not the only good D, Michelle,

599
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 3: there's good D outside of your office. It really is.

600
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 3: I know you say, well, you know because we were

601
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 3: talking about that access to meeting people you know don't

602
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 3: have the access, don't have the time. I need you

603
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 3: to make the time. I need you to get on

604
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 3: Tender like everybody else, or get on Facebook dating app

605
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 3: great day nap by the way, get on these different

606
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,479
Speaker 3: day and apps, go on your Instagram, your DM and

607
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,719
Speaker 3: be committed to Michelle. You really can date somebody outside

608
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 3: the workplace, because this ain't it.

609
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 6: I think that's possible. That's correct. Now finally time to

610
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 6: do that is another discussion, But that's what we hear

611
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 6: is that you need to figure it out, stay away

612
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 6: from apple Pie. And what I will say is I'm

613
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 6: glad that he came out on some levels because it

614
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 6: gives us the opportunity to shine something, and he shine

615
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 6: some light on his raw in discussion, because all of

616
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 6: the news and media around this has solely focused on

617
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 6: da Willis, as it should, but we don't often get

618
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 6: to talk about, you know, the role that men in

619
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 6: these situations play, like mayor Willie Brown and Nathan Wade.

620
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 6: So I'm glad we got to have you.

621
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 3: They're still gonna put it all on her though, because

622
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 3: she was the boss. She's the one responsible. She the

623
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 3: one still gotta fight the case. She the one still

624
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 3: got to explain that. They still gonna call every hole

625
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 3: in the book, every whatever in the book, and all

626
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 3: whatever kamalahead whatever, it don't matter. They still want to

627
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 3: drag her. Yeah, they still gonna drag her. That's why again,

628
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 3: let's just let's just go ahead and deal with the

629
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 3: bus driver. It's okay to just not be outside the office.

630
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 3: You don't necessarily have to deal with the bus driver.

631
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 3: But if you're gonna hook your man up with a job,

632
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 3: do it outside of the office. It's fine. Let's just

633
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 3: do it outside of the office. It really doesn't have

634
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 3: to be in the office. But guys, thank you so

635
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 3: much for joining me to talk about this. I hope

636
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 3: you enjoyed at the time when by so fast joining

637
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 3: me today was my co host Michelle Wiley Jadarell. I

638
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 3: just appreciate having the sister said they're gonna be joining me.

639
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,479
Speaker 3: So get used to this type of confery station. Make

640
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 3: sure you hit me up at Tantom figure out on

641
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 3: all things social media. Let me know if you like

642
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 3: this new platform. Guys, you can always do your review.

643
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 3: Make sure you do five stars. If you don't keep

644
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 3: it to yourself, don't be like Nathan. If you like it,

645
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 3: speak up if you don't be quiet, but make sure

646
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 3: you subscribe some podcasts, bring a friend, subscribe anywhere you

647
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 3: get your podcasts on Straight Shot no Chase Peace. If

648
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 3: you like what you heard on straight Shot No Chaser,

649
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 3: please subscribe and drop a five star review and tell

650
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 3: a friend. Straight Shot No Chaser is a production of

651
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 3: The Black Effect Podcast Network and iHeartRadio on TESSLM, figure Out,

652
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,959
Speaker 3: and I like to thank our producer editor mixer Dwayne

653
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 3: Crawford and our executive producer Charlotte Magne of God. For

654
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 3: more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

655
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 3: or wherever you get your podcasts.