1 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: A ten year old little girl goes missing. What happened 2 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: to brie Asia and what is being done about her case? 3 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I'm Nancy Grace, and I 4 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: want to thank you for being with us here. Take 5 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at k w Q CTV six. 6 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: Police have not released a lot of information on what 7 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 1: the situation is here. They told us that ten year 8 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: old brie Asia Terrell has not been seen since the 9 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: early hours this morning. She was lost reported seen in 10 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: the area of East fifty third Street in the early hours. 11 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: They didn't say what time she was last seen or 12 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: what was the circumstances at the time, So there are 13 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: a lot of unanswered question here. We are working to 14 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: find out, you know, if there's anything more to this, 15 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: but all I've said at this time is that she 16 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: was last seen wearing a white T shirt, shorts and 17 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: flip flops. They are asking anyone who has information on 18 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: her whereabouts to call nine one one again. We are 19 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: in the area of East fifty third Street by Laurent 20 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: and av And this is where police say she was 21 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: last seen in the early hours of this morning. You know, 22 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,639 Speaker 1: my children are twelve, My twins, John David and Lucy. 23 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about them at age ten. If they were lost, 24 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: they really, as much as I've tried to drill it 25 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: into them, they really wouldn't know what to do. They're 26 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: completely defenseless. And I'm thinking of her and her little 27 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: shorts and her white T shirt and her flip flops, 28 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: and the pictures of Brasia that I look at. She's 29 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: just the prettiest little girl with the big, beautiful, perfect smile, 30 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: very photogenic. And in the midst of COVID nineteen and 31 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: Gill and Max Small and all the news stories that 32 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: are hitting the headlines, somehow this little girl has gotten 33 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: lost in the sauce, a ten year old, defenseless little girl. Again, 34 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Let me give you 35 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: the tip line right off the top. It's three zero 36 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: nine seven to six two ninety five hundred. Three zero 37 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: nine seven six two ninety five hundred. Got an all 38 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: star panel with me to break it down and put 39 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: it back together again. First of all, Jason Ocean's attorney 40 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: joining us with the Tri State Area in New York, 41 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: New Jersey. He's weighing in not only that doctor Angela Arnold, 42 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: renowned psychiatrists, joining me out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Karen 43 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: Smith joining me from LA forensics expert. We met on 44 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: a rect recreation of a crime scene. Host of Shattered 45 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 1: sold and joining you right now. Special guests from the 46 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: Quad City Times, Davenport, Iowa. Reporter Tom Lowe, Tom Loowie. 47 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: Let me start at the beginning. Who is this little girl, 48 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: bree Asia. This little girl is a basketball player. She's 49 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: a typical ten year old. She's really into social social 50 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: media and likes to make dance videos with her mom. Tom, 51 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: can I ask you a question, do you have children? 52 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: I have a thirteen year old in my wife. Yes, 53 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: So you know when you say a typical ten year old, 54 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: now I know that you know what we're talking about. 55 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: When you're saying making dance videos. My daughter, my little 56 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: Lucy is constantly making dance videos there. She's really good too, 57 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: But I mean it's constant. There's TikTok, there's just so many. 58 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: And that's the thing right now, making dance videos. And 59 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: I'm looking at bree Asia. She's stunning. And when you 60 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: say she plays basketball, you know what goes into that. 61 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: My daughter is on volleyball. My son plays basketball and 62 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: soccer you're in every game you try to practice with them. 63 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: I've been hit in the face with a volleyball so 64 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: many times I can't even count it. Because they're your world. 65 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: What they do, I want to do. And I'm just 66 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: thinking of the mom who is trying to find her 67 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 1: daughter as we speak, and suddenly she's just gone. And 68 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 1: you know, to doctor Angela Arnold, when I first heard 69 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: about Breasia, I imagine going into the twins room and 70 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: they're just gone, and I don't know where they are, 71 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: and I don't know what happened to them, but that's 72 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: what the mother's going through right now, just totally gone, 73 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: like somebody went and their home. They're gone, just in 74 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: and no one can buy, and it just goes all 75 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: on and on. It's you know, it's almost as if 76 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: you enter a One time, I lost my little girl 77 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: in a store when I was shopping. You're a mom. 78 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: She was hiding in some clothes racks. I almost lost 79 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: my mind. Everybody in the store started helping me, started 80 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: looking for her, to help me find her, and everything 81 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,239 Speaker 1: flashed through my mind, everything but all of the worst 82 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: tast scenarios flashed through my mind. And all she was 83 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: doing was playing in between some racks of clothes. Well, 84 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: you know what, John David went missing in a giant 85 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,799 Speaker 1: Toys are us? Or wait, babies are us? Babies are us? 86 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: Giant warehouse? And all I could think about was Adam Walsh. 87 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: His mom Rose was on one aisle. He goes missing 88 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: just a few aisles away. And then the children, when 89 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: I would take them to an actual mall, I'd be 90 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: a nervous wreck. Finally we started doing exactly what your daughter. 91 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: And I would tell them, okay, hide and I'll confine you. 92 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: And they would hide in closes wrecks, and I could 93 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: see their feet in the little clog sticking out, and 94 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: I know where. And they'd stay hidden while I look 95 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: for clothes from them, so at least I would know. 96 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: And I'm just thinking about this. Mom. Let me go 97 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: back to Tom Lowie, Quad City Times, Devin port Aowa, Tom, 98 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: how do you just lose your daughter? What happened in 99 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: this specific case? The mother's name is Aisha Langford. Yeah, 100 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: and u Breasa went with her brother to visit his dad, 101 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 1: right yep, his father's house. Oh my goodness, as she 102 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 1: goes missing from there exactly, yes, Oh, Tom Lowe, Quad 103 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: City Times that's a whole nother layer of me being 104 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: upset because you know what that means, Jason Oceans, You've 105 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: raised two incredible children, and I give all the credit 106 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: to your wife, no offense, but I know her. She's incredible. 107 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: You're out, you know, in one courtroom after the next, 108 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: and your children have somehow managed to turn out incredible. 109 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: But do you hear what he just said? Tom Lowie 110 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: the Quad City Times. So Breasia goes with her little 111 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: brother to visit the brother's dad. So that means the 112 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: mom's letting go of a little bit of control. It's 113 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: like me letting a Lucy go to a spend the 114 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: night party. I hate every second of it. And then 115 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: she goes missing from there. So you're constantly berating yourself. 116 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: I shouldn't let her go. He wasn't watching her well enough. 117 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: Why did I do this? Do you remember the first 118 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: time your daughter went to a spend the night? Oh? Mine? Cool? Nancy? 119 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: That you know that fear, that anxiety that everyone is 120 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: described on the panel, and as you described, you know, 121 00:07:54,560 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: thinking of Breisha, it's it's it's so frightening. Everything passes 122 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: through your mind and you know it's it's almost like 123 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: you just want to blink, go to sleep, wake up, 124 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: and everything's okay. You know what, Jason, You and I've 125 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: discussed this many times on a dark set at Court TV. 126 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: That's just how I felt when my fiancee was murdered 127 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: just before our wedding. I would wake up in the 128 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: morning and just for maybe three or four seconds, I 129 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: think everything was okay. Then I think wait, wait, wait, wait, 130 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: and then it would hit like a ton of bricks. 131 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 1: It wasn't a badgery, it was real. And that's what 132 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: bree AGI's mom is going through right now. Tipline three 133 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: or nine Time Stories with Nancy Grace. We are talking 134 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 1: about a gorgeous little girl just ten years old who 135 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: goes missing out of Davenport, Iowa. Mom lets her go 136 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: with the little brother to visit the brother's bio dad. Okay, 137 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: for a visitation. It was scheduled, it was planned, everything 138 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 1: was fine, and then, for whatever reason, this little girl 139 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: vanishes into thin air while she's with the brother. Dad. 140 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at k WQC. Michael 141 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 1: ticup Bamiley says a tip also led authorities to Feedruary 142 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: Park Saturday afternoon. Police released a statement Saturday writing quote, 143 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: DPD and supporting agencies are working expert driven and independent 144 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: search efforts that do not require volunteers, and as independent 145 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: search parties are organized separately, police ask if you know anything, 146 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: call nine one one. Everybody you know hurt anything, We 147 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 1: sure could use the assistance. Crime Stoppers of the Quad 148 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 1: Cities is now offering a thirty five hundred dollars cash 149 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: reward for any information that helps authorities locates herrel I'm 150 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: so blessed to have such amazing community, especially with everything 151 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: that's one end right now, an entire community working together 152 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: to bring a ten year old girl home. We're going 153 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: to keep our resources out and until we can help 154 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: help the family find their girl. A thirty five hundred 155 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: dollars reward right now in the recovery to helping them 156 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: recovery of this ten year old little girl who seemingly 157 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,839 Speaker 1: vanishes into thin air with me, Jason Osan's doctor, Angela Arnold, 158 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 1: Karen Smith out of LA and Tom Lowe, Quad City Times, Davenport, 159 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: Iowa reporter. Back to you, Tom Lowe, I want to 160 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: give the facts as we know them right now to 161 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: Karen Smith, our forensic expert and host of Shattered souls, 162 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: so she can analyze along with me what we believe 163 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: the cops should be doing right now. And I mean 164 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: that in a supportive way, not to say the cops 165 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: are doing anything wrong. But the two of us have 166 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: handled so many missing children cases that sometimes when you 167 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: have a police force that has it dealt with homicides 168 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: or searching for bodies or searching for living children, there's 169 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: a lot of tricks to the trade. So, Tom Lowie, 170 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 1: we know that she was last seen in this location. 171 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: But was she in or outside of a home? Was 172 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: she still wearing the same outfit? Was she had a playground, 173 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: when she had a part, when she had a body 174 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: of water? But she on a hiking trail? Was she 175 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: attended with an adult? What do we know about the 176 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: last time that she was seen alive by an independent witness? 177 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: And we'll start our timeline right there, Tom Lowie, we 178 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: know very little in fact, and that's been the problem 179 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: at the start of the case is that she goes 180 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: over to Henry Earl Dinkins home. It's a home where 181 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: he was sharing with someone. It's not actually his home. 182 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: So they go to this progress whoa hold on, Tom 183 00:11:54,880 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: Lowie right there, Sorry to interrupt you. But they little 184 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: brother Bio Dad Henry Earl Dakins shares the home. You 185 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: mean he lives with a woman or he has roommates 186 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: who lives in that home? Because he would be a 187 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: cold day in Hubl that I sent my child somewhere 188 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: where I didn't know who I was there. Maybe the 189 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: mom did know. So do we know who lived in 190 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: the home with Daks? Would be the first place I 191 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: looked as who's in the home. That's not clear. That's 192 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: not clear at this time. And you know what, Tom Lowe, 193 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: I don't like that either. You think it's a girlfriend, Okay, 194 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: that statistically is better than having a male roommates as 195 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: far as looking at crimes, Karen Smith, if it's a 196 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: girlfriend live in, a fiance a wife in the home, 197 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: that statistically normalizes the situation as opposed to like three 198 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: men living together, it's a mess, it's confusing. They're there, 199 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: they're not there. It's just a whole different scenario. Not 200 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: to be stereotypical. That statistically true. Isn't it true to you, 201 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: Karen Smith that women statistically commit a vast, a vast 202 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: percentage lower violent crimes than man. Yes, absolutely, Nancy and 203 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: My biggest question right now, at the start of this 204 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: investigation is who had Karen control of this child? Was 205 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: it the possible woman that was living there, was it 206 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: Henry Dinkins? Who had Karen control of this child? That 207 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: is where your timeline starts, and when you have a 208 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: missing child, the timeline is crucial. When was the last 209 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: time she was seen? When was the last communication she had? 210 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: Who saw her? Where was her brother? Was he there 211 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 1: as well? These are the questions I start asking. That's 212 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: a really good question to Tom Lowe, Quad City Times, Davenport, Iowa. Tom, 213 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: is the little boy, the little brother, Okay? Has he 214 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 1: been accounted for? The little brother is accounted for, Yes, 215 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: he is. That's a big piece of the puzzle, Tom, 216 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why. I mean, I'm just analyzing 217 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: this very objectively. I got a big problem, Jason Oceans, 218 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: with the fact that nobody can tell me the last 219 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: time the little girl was seeing alime talking about Breasia Terrell, 220 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: because the adult male, the stepfather so to speak, should 221 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: be able to tell me. I let her go outside 222 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: to play in the backyard. I let her go jump 223 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: on the trampoline. I let her and her little brother 224 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: walk to the seven to eleven, one block away. They 225 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: were at the grandma's. You should be able to tell me. 226 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: I could tell you, Jason otions exactly the last time 227 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: I saw the twins and what they were wearing, all right, 228 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: right down to their undies. Because I laid him out myself. 229 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is, why can't he tell me 230 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: the last time he saw the little girl? Why can't 231 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: anybody tell me exactly who is living in the home, 232 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: because in my mind, they're all persons of interest. Jason, Nancy, everybody, 233 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: I mean spoken like a well prosecutor, season didn't investigator. 234 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: That's exactly where we're looking at. Where is the custody 235 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: in control? As it was turned over with a bree 236 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: Asia going over with her brother who who is now responsible? 237 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: Who stepped up and said, all right, I'm I got it. 238 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: You know, directing, if you're busy, you're occupied for the moment, 239 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: who's the responsible adult or you know who's minding them? 240 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: You know everybody what went on? What was going on 241 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: there that would allow this young girl to go missing. 242 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: I'm getting a little clarification right now, Tom Lowie, I'm 243 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: just getting a wire. Tom lewis joining me quant City 244 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: Times in Davenport. That the dad is now saying he 245 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: put her to bed and that went he went to 246 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: get her up, she was gone. That's pretty believe. That's 247 00:15:48,440 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: the story. Okay, okay, that is the story Crime Stories 248 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking about a little girl 249 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: disappearing now from her own home, the home of her 250 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: I Walt charm him as stepdad, as Henry Earl Dinkins. 251 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: Now we know that children have gone missing from their 252 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: own homes before, and that would be just to throw 253 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: it out that everybody knows. Um Elizabeth Smart right, Um 254 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: Helly down in Florida, Um Isabelle uh in Texas, I 255 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: mean Sealise, Sabell, Sealise. There are so many daniel wester 256 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: h Westerdam out in California. There there Danielle van Dam 257 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: missing from their own home. So it does happen statistically, 258 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: not so much so. Of course, to Jason notions New 259 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: or defend its attorney in court, you can't bring in statistics. 260 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: That is disallowed because you cannot compare an individual case 261 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: to statistics that have been rounded up across the world. 262 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: But you and I know statistically a child does not 263 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: go missing from their own home. It does happen, but 264 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: not so much. Agree, disagree, No, no, I agree with you, Nancy. 265 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the statistics are quite telling and 266 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: give guidance to investigators and sometimes prejudice in what you're 267 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 1: looking at, but they generally overall measure out and that 268 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: becomes the barometer for you know, prosecution and good investigation. 269 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: It's just a barometer. That's a good way to put 270 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: in Jason Oceans. It's a barometer because when I hear 271 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: missing from their own home, I immediately get suspicious if 272 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 1: everybody in that home, because it's child to just walk 273 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: out on her own in the middle of the night. 274 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our whys at KWQCTV six is 275 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: Michael tilkea. The search for missing to year old Breesia 276 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: Terrell continues entering day three on Sunday. She was last 277 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: seen Friday morning in the twenty seven hundred block of 278 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: East fifty third Street, wearing a white tshirt, flip flops, 279 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: and shorts. As the search for her whereabouts grows more 280 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: desperate by the moment, her mother says, no tip is 281 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 1: too small. I don't know anything, and if anyone can help, 282 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 1: it can be the smaller deza you made bee. Friday afternoon, 283 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: authorities focused in on the lagoon at Credit Island, with 284 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: a boat on the water and investigators nearby. Family gathered 285 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: looking on. Police declined to say what brought them there 286 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 1: or whether foul play is involved Intorell's case. Again, we'll 287 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: welcome with the family on potential rarius that she may 288 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 1: be or may have been with friends in those kind 289 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: of things. So we're checking different areas and we're going 290 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: to continue again working with the family until we come 291 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: up a little girl. Just stop, stop everything. Lagoon at 292 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: Credit Island. They didn't just decide to go search a lagoon. 293 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: Something led the police to that lagoon. With me special 294 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 1: guest Tom Lowie, Quad City Times, Davenport, Iowa. Tell me 295 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: about the terrain surrounding Dnkins, Henry ye Old Dinkins, the 296 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: step dad home, and the proximity from his home to 297 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: the lagoon at Credit Island. Imagine Davenport sitting on the 298 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: Mississippi River, and much of Davenport sits up on a hill. 299 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: So you drive down the hill and you're on the 300 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: Mississippi River. Credit Island is a more remote portion of Davenport. 301 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: It is pretty heavily wooded for the most part, and 302 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 1: it's kind of a peninsula that shuts out on the 303 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: Mississippi River and in the island. Contained within the island 304 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: is a separate lagoon, and it is said by the 305 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: Mississippi River, but there's a there's an area that's enclosed 306 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: by land that is water. So you want to imagine, Yeah, 307 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: Ivan poured as part of a metroplex. So it's it's 308 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: a heavily populated area, but Credit Island is a more 309 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: remote portion of the city near the city border, you know, 310 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: near the city line. I'm liking everything you're saying, Tomalodo, 311 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 1: because you're giving me information that I didn't know what's 312 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 1: flying through my mind, Tomalodie. I just took the twins 313 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: on an RV trip across the country because of COVID. 314 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: No hotels, no people, no restaurants. And one of the 315 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: things we did was went to the confluence where the Mississi, 316 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: the Mighty Mississippi meets the Muddy Missouri right there, and 317 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: we had to hike through. I mean I needed a 318 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 1: machete to get to where we were going, dragging the 319 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: Trent Twins with me. In fact, it was so dense. 320 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: At one point we turned around like this, this may 321 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 1: be reckless of me dragging them through this, and then 322 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: they wanted to go so badly we went back and 323 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 1: we found it. That's what's going through my mind. And 324 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: if you don't mind, Tom, it's not you, it's me. 325 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: I just want to hear everything you just said. But 326 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: tell me how would you get from his place, Henry 327 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: Earl Dak's place too, the lagooned Credit Island, which you 328 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: have to take a watercraft to get there or is 329 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: there a bridge? No? Actually so, so the it's it's 330 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: also a park area, so it's it's got heavily wooded 331 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: and grassed areas, but it's also a park area where 332 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: some of that's cleared out, and there's a there's a 333 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 1: ringed road that takes you in us in a ring 334 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 1: around the around Credit Island and in fact around the lagoon, 335 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 1: so it is easily accessed by car by vehicle and 336 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: then to get into the wooded areas or to go 337 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: down to the lagoon. So on one side you have 338 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: the lagoon and essentially on the other side of the 339 00:21:56,080 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: road the Mississippi is flowing by. So it's if you 340 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: can imagine a ring kind of situation, and in that area, 341 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: in some of those areas, like on the outer part 342 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: of the ring, there are heavily wooded areas and then 343 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 1: a lot of tall grass is what you'll find. So 344 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: it's a partially finished, kind of crudely developed area. It's 345 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: got some shelter areas where there's picnic benches. I'm sure 346 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: you're familiar with those kind of developments, right And you 347 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 1: tell me a lot of good information right there as well, 348 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: because I now know that Credit Island and this lagoon 349 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: is accessible by vehicle, which makes sense a lot more 350 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: of a possibility of a dumping ground. And I hain't 351 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: even put her name bree Asia in the same sense 352 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,719 Speaker 1: of dumping ground, but I guarantee you there's a reason 353 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: that police are searching that lagoon and it's not good 354 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, In the last minutes, 355 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: we have gotten an update. Take a listen to Police 356 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: Chief Paul Sikorski with a Davenport, Iowa PD. We have 357 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: identified Henry E. Dinkins as a person of interest related 358 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: to this case. A person of interest is different than 359 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: a name suspect. A person of interest is someone who 360 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: has not been arrested or formally charged in this case, 361 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 1: but may have information that could assist with the investigation 362 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: or possess certain characteristics that merit further attention by our investigators. 363 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: Dinkins is currently in custody on other charges related to 364 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: a sex offender registry violation. We are asking the public's 365 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: assistance today for any information regarding Dinkins and associated vehicles 366 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: during the time frame of Thursday, July ninth, from ten 367 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: pm to Friday, July tenth at twelve noon. Right now, 368 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: I just almost feel physically sick. Back to Tom Lowe, 369 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: Quad City Times, Davenport, Iowa reporter with me, Karen Smith, 370 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: doctor Angela Arnold, and Jason Oceans. Tom So, the step 371 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: dad of sorts is a sex offender? What kind of 372 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: sex offender? It is clear that he is someone who 373 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: has had a lot of trouble with the law. It 374 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: is a sex offense against a young person. It was 375 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety, so we're talking a couple of decades ago. 376 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 1: It is clear that his status as a sex offender, 377 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: I should say, it's not clear if his status as 378 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 1: a sex offender was widely known. It was known by 379 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: Asia's mother it was none by bree Asia's mother. Yes, ma'am, 380 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: okay to you, doctor Angel Arnold. As much as I 381 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: want to come down on the mom right now, do 382 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: you notice that when okay, here's an example, and it's 383 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: my example. I was trying to bust a triple homicide 384 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: and one of my informants, confidential informants, was a sex offender. 385 00:25:54,600 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: He had committed a rape several years before. He now 386 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 1: had a job. He was living a regular life, and 387 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 1: I mean several years like in this case, maybe ten 388 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: twenty years before. I would get in the car alone 389 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: with him much I'm five one, you know that, doctor Anchie, 390 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: and he's much bigger than me, wroked out, had biceps 391 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: like a Virginia Ham And we would go alone all 392 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 1: over the city of Atlanta when I was prosecuting felonies 393 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 1: in inner city Atlanta from the beginning of the morning 394 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: until late eleven o'clock at night, trying to find particular 395 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 1: witnesses that could help me crack a triple homicide. And 396 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: I got to know him, and I got to like him, 397 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: and I asked him about his sex offense and he went, oh, 398 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: she was sixteen and I was eighteen. And that's what happened, 399 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: and I played guilty and okay, I lulled myself into 400 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: a sense of security, befriended him, and he helped me 401 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: crack the case. So that's what happened. Here's my question, 402 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 1: Sorry for the long build up. Do you find people 403 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: lull themselves into a false sense of security? Well, of 404 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: course they do, you That's why I have I believe 405 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: that that's why the mother let the little girl go 406 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: over there. I would love to know how many times 407 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: she's gone over there before, wouldn't you. Is this just 408 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: a typical behavior that she just goes and spend the 409 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: night with her little brother. You know that's a really 410 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: good that's a really good question. Yeah. Yeah, she may 411 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: have discounted it. And another thing, you know this, Jason 412 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: OSHA's your defense attorney. Guys, we're talking about a missing 413 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: little ten year old girl, Brisia Terrell. The person of 414 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: interest her stepfather, as I am calling him, Henry Earl Dinkins. 415 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: He is the biological father Brisia's little brother, and the 416 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: mom let her go visit, which she may have done 417 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,959 Speaker 1: in the past. Jason Oceans defense attorney joining me out 418 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: of New York. Jason, I remember trying to get a 419 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: hold of a defense attorney about emotions calendar the following 420 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: Monday morning. It's about six o'clock on Friday, and a 421 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 1: woman answered the phone. I'm like, look, I gotta find him. 422 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: I gotta find him now because he's got to be 423 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: in court eight am Monday morning. And I told the 424 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: judge to try to reach him. Where is he? Uh, 425 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: guess where he was? He was at a strip bar 426 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 1: with his clients, his dope clients, the Magic City. Yeah, 427 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: And you know what, you hang around with people and 428 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: suddenly they seem normal to you. There was this upstanding 429 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: lawyer with a bunch of dopers at a strip club. 430 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: Not judging the strip club, am judging the dopers. But Jason, 431 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: when you're around your clients, you gotta be careful. You 432 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:49,479 Speaker 1: gotta be really careful that their norm doesn't become you're normal. 433 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: Well that's so too, Nancy. I mean, you know, years 434 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: of defense and having been on the prosecution side for 435 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: a year, you understand and that, and you know your 436 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: guard is always up. There's always that spidy sense teapling 437 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: about something. The interesting thing though, about the arrest back 438 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: in you know, the indictment and conviction back in the 439 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: nineties for the sex offense. Usually, recidivism in sex offenders 440 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: particularly happens at a high rate within six months to 441 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,959 Speaker 1: a year. You know, love to see the rest of 442 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: that criminal arrest record. Real. I know a little bit 443 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,239 Speaker 1: more about it, Jason, I know a little bit more 444 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: about it, and this may, this may really paint the 445 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: entire picture with a different stroke. I know that Dinkins, 446 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: a registered sex offender, was convicted at age seventeen. He 447 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: was a teen, but he sex abused a female victim 448 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: under age thirteen. Now that's a big difference. Seventeen sixteen, 449 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: seventeen fifteen, it's still bad. But under thirteen, that's twelve 450 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: year old little girl at best. Guys, take a listen 451 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: to Davenport, Iowa PD press conference. This is police Chief 452 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: Paul Skorsky. We're learning more. We are requesting any information 453 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: the public may have on Dinkins whereabouts in the Quad 454 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: Cities area during that time frame. He is also known 455 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: to have previous connections to the Commanche and Clinton area. 456 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: Vehicles associated with Dinkins include a two thousand and seven 457 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: maroon Chevy Impala, two twelve black Chevy Camaro, and in 458 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: nineteen eighties, King's Highway motor home. All of these vehicles 459 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: are currently impounded and in the possession of investigators. If 460 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: the public has any information regarding the whereabouts of Dinkins 461 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: or these vehicles between the time frames that I mentioned, 462 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: so between the hours of ten pm on Thursday, July 463 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: ninth and noon Friday a July tenth, we asked they 464 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: call nine one immediately to share this information with investigators. 465 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: Karen Smith joining me from LA Forensics expert host of 466 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: Shattered Souls, Karen Smith, what the police chief just said 467 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: is scary men. I'll tell you why. Remember the little 468 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: girl I told you that was stolen from her home 469 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: in California while her parents slept by the way. They 470 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: were right there down the hall, Danielle Van Damn the 471 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: stubbled on the name. The defendant was David Westerfield, who 472 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: was a neighbor, and he took the little girl, molested 473 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: and killed her in his motor home, his RV and 474 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: having just come off an RV trip, I would go 475 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: walking with the twins while John David rode his bike 476 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: and all these RV parks. I did not let them 477 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: go out by themselves. Of course, and I got to 478 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: know the look of a lot of RVs. They stick 479 00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: with you when you see them. But your take is 480 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: a forensics expert, based on knowing they're looking at a lagoon, 481 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: they've impounded these three vehicles, and now they're asking the public, 482 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: have you seen these three vehicles and where did you 483 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: see them? Analyze that information for me, Karen Smith forensically, 484 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: that tells me a lot. Yeah, and tells me a 485 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: lot too. Let's start with the lagoon area. I was 486 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: going through some photos the photojournalists were taking while the 487 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: investigators were there, and one stood out to me. There 488 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: was a photo that showed an investigator bending over what 489 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: looks like a tripod. Now, when you bring out a 490 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: tripod and you're at a crime scene, that to me 491 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: screams either shoe impressions or tire impressions. It didn't look 492 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: like a vehicle could get down in this area, so 493 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: it's probably shoe impressions in that area. There's class characteristics 494 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: the brands aside identifying characteristics. These are accidental, unpredictable results 495 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: like where patterns and defects in the shoes. So if 496 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: they're photographing shoe impressions, that's a good possibility that could 497 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: lead them forensically to a chew or a tire track. 498 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: Now that they have all three of these vehicles impounded, 499 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: if they do have tire tracks in that area, they 500 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: can go back and do comparisons with the tires, the 501 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: width of the wheelbase, the type of tire, the tread pattern, 502 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: things like that. They're also going to be looking in 503 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: those vehicles for any I mean forensic evidence here, broad blanket, 504 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: You've got everything from DNA to hair's fibers, fingerprints, dirt 505 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: that may be caked on the undercarriage, and then the tires. 506 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 1: So they're really going to have to go through all 507 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: three of those vehicles with a fine tooth comb. You 508 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: know the fact that they're searching this lagoon. They're putting 509 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: out the description of the vehicles down to the collar 510 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,479 Speaker 1: that make the model and asking where you've seen them. 511 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 1: The vehicles, including the motor home, are all in impound, 512 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: which sells me they've been processed. Did cops find something 513 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: in those vehicles that make them believe Rasia was killed 514 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: or transported or molested in one of those three vehicles, 515 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: And if cops can find out where the vehicles were 516 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,720 Speaker 1: spotted then they can find this child dead or alive. 517 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 1: Way in Karen Smith, that's exactly right. Anything that links 518 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 1: bree Asia Terrell with the last known operator of those vehicles, 519 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 1: they're going to be looking forward in that car. They're 520 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: going to have to spray. Unfortunately, they're going to have 521 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: to spray a lumino and you and I know what 522 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: that means. You know, there's all kinds of things that 523 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: they're going to have to do with a fine tooth comb, photography, 524 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: light sources. It may be a very very small piece 525 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,839 Speaker 1: of evidence a hair, for all we know, that could 526 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: link bree Asia with one of those vehicles. And if 527 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: they are impounded, it either means they are have already 528 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: processed them or they're just waiting in line because it 529 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: takes time to go through each vehicle. It's not like 530 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 1: a one and done. It does take time to go 531 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: through a vehicle like that. And not only that, it 532 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: depends on just thinking about the Jennifer Dilo's case. Okay, 533 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 1: then missing Connecticut mom of five her hair found in 534 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: the back seat of her estranged husband's employees vehicle. Why 535 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: why would her hair be in the back seat of 536 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 1: an employee's vehicle? So it's not just finding brie Asia's 537 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: hair or some type of DNA touch DNA in the 538 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 1: vehicle where she may have innocently been to go to 539 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: the store or to go to a restaurant, but where 540 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: it's located. Is it in the trunk? Why would her 541 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,879 Speaker 1: hair be in the trunk? Those are what cops are 542 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: looking for in those three impound vehicles. To Tobolowe, joining 543 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 1: me Quad City Times Davenport, Iowa, tell me about the 544 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: search and that's being conducted for Briasia Terrell. Okay, so 545 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: there so far the search has been very much centered 546 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: on Credit Island and a place called fedger Varry Part 547 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 1: which is a park area up on the hill in Davenport, 548 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: kind of up from the river. And it's not clear 549 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:14,959 Speaker 1: why Fejervary Park. I've been told by the mother that 550 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: it was a place where he might have gone at 551 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,720 Speaker 1: other times. So they were kind of looking at places 552 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 1: that he was familiar with. But that's the extent of 553 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: And then just down from Credit Island. Credit Island is 554 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: on what's called River Drive and there was an area 555 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 1: on River Drive and Concord, which is just down from 556 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 1: Credit Island. There was some search going on there that 557 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: was Monday night, and that search did not as far 558 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,280 Speaker 1: as we know, police have not commented, but certainly Breeasia 559 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: wasn't found there. You know what you said, It is 560 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,720 Speaker 1: very telling Tom Lowe in many ways because you said, 561 00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 1: this is a place, according to your conversations with Breasia's mom, 562 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 1: that he has gone in the past. Think bat Tom Loewey, 563 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: for instance, when we wanted to find Lacy Peterson's body 564 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: and connors her unborn child, where we go where her husband, 565 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 1: Scott Peterson his fishing hole, San Francisco Bay, and sure 566 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: enough that's where she was. You find that perps hide 567 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,840 Speaker 1: bodies and evidence or retreat to a place that is 568 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:28,839 Speaker 1: familiar to them. So what you just said is incredible, 569 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,919 Speaker 1: incredibly probative. The tip line for this little girl three 570 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:37,280 Speaker 1: zero nine seven six two nine five hundred. We wait 571 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: and pray as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing off, 572 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:44,720 Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,