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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold SNR Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lollie. He is the

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and Matt. It is a Friday. This will

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Speaker 2: be our last show of the week before the Steelers

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Speaker 2: play the Cleveland Browns on Monday night. At course show,

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Speaker 2: We'll still still do the pregame show and all that stuff, but.

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Speaker 3: It won't be a drive Monday though.

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Speaker 2: There will not be a drive on Monday. I'll actually

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Speaker 2: do two hours of pregame because it's a home game. Otherwise,

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Speaker 2: if it was a road game, you would do the

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Speaker 2: first hour of the pregame show and I would do

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Speaker 2: the second.

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Speaker 3: I haven't not to do that yet obviously.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but plenty to talk about here. The Steelers coming

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Speaker 2: out with their Friday injury report today.

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Speaker 3: Dig in and I.

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Speaker 2: Would make note that don't panic over this because there

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Speaker 2: is a practice tomorrow. This is this is like a

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Speaker 2: Thursday practice, So not practicing today. Deontay Johnson, He's not

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Speaker 2: gonna Anthony McFarland missed his second consecutive day.

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Speaker 3: If it's concerning Yeah, so let's just stop there. I

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Speaker 3: assume Austin would be the kickoff returner.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think that they maybe brought up the receiver.

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Speaker 2: Does Fitzpatrick he could do it? He did some reason.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he did some.

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Speaker 2: Of that stuff in training camp. He's a little big, little,

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Speaker 2: bigger body guy. Yeah, than Austin. Austin's gonna play. That's

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Speaker 2: the thing here. So do you want Austin returning punts

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Speaker 2: with with Deontay out and playing fifty snaps in the game.

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Speaker 3: King could also do it.

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Speaker 2: You have Gunner.

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Speaker 3: Gunner's probably gonna be active. Now. I think I still

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Speaker 3: want Austin just because the big playability. Yeah, but it's

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Speaker 3: a valid point. I mean their returners are not as

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Speaker 3: setting stone as they were one week ago.

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Speaker 2: No, No, especially if if McFarland misses and I thought

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Speaker 2: he I thought he really gave them a spark to

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Speaker 2: a couple both of times. I actually talked to him

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Speaker 2: for my five for Friday, and I'm like, you know

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Speaker 2: you He returned three kicks three out of seven the

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Speaker 2: league as a whole last week because the new rule,

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Speaker 2: returned just over twenty percent wow, which was the lowest

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Speaker 2: since two thousand, that's.

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Speaker 3: Probably gonna be about the norm. Yeah, not a four ish.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing. And so we talked about it, and

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Speaker 2: I said, do you think that this could turn into

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Speaker 2: a situation where when with guys not returning as many kicks,

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Speaker 2: you can catch teams by surprise when.

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Speaker 3: You actually as good at it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, Y is good at it. And let's say

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Speaker 2: you go out there and you fair catch the first

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Speaker 2: two walk around guys are all kind of maybe they're

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Speaker 2: they're still going to go down the field, you know,

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Speaker 2: at their at their full speed. But if you're running

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Speaker 2: then all of a sudden he.

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Speaker 3: Does, Yeah, yeah, like maybe. I mean my first thought

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Speaker 3: was special teams. Coaches might practice it less and less.

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Speaker 3: They don't know, some teams don't get much time at all. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: why we practice and kickoff return or we'll throw that

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Speaker 3: guy out there who hasn't done it before, because chances

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Speaker 3: are we'll get away with it, right, you know, try

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Speaker 3: to cut of corner there. I did think he gave

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Speaker 3: the offense a little bit of a spark, and he's

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Speaker 3: an intriguing big play guy. But if he's not there

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Speaker 3: for one game for the offense, so be it. You know,

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Speaker 3: we saw a lot of that, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he averaged thirty thirty yards per return, which

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Speaker 2: that's something to keep an eye on.

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Speaker 3: I feel like he's turned a corner in his career. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and certainly I thought I thought that they thought he

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Speaker 3: to get him the football and use him in a

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Speaker 3: variety of ways in practice.

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Speaker 2: Isaac sa Amalo was rested today, okay for veteran rest

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Speaker 2: day chuuksakors for limited again today.

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Speaker 3: Again, that's not a huge thing, not necessarily news.

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Speaker 2: Actually, the fact that he was limited is good, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because that means he didn't have a setback with the concussion.

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Speaker 2: Because he went limited yesterday. Then what they do is

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Speaker 2: they see how the player responded to have physical activity.

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Speaker 2: So it wasn't bad, and you know, if he has

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Speaker 2: this case, they that's what you want to hear, That's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good, and is yesterday.

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Speaker 2: James Daniels with that ankle was limited again today. Pat

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Speaker 2: Friarmouth with the chest was a full participant today. Larry

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Speaker 2: Ogunjoby with the foot, did not practice. He was limited yesterday.

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Speaker 2: I think that was more Let's give him a maintenance.

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Speaker 3: Day, yeah, I mean, he doesn't practice all that many

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, and it gives you an opportunity to mix

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Speaker 2: reps over on cams side right now, let's get some

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Speaker 3: That makes sense, I mean, you do. You're going to

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Speaker 3: ask more from the non veteran, the young guys, so

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Speaker 3: wrap them up.

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Speaker 2: Nothing from the Browns as of yet, but we'll see

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Speaker 2: if that comes in here during the show. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, it could be worse.

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Speaker 3: Could be worse. I mean, Cam and Deontay are the

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Speaker 3: one huge. Yeah, those are huge.

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Speaker 2: But it's not not the end of the world yet.

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Speaker 3: I don't think. I mean, there's never a good time

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Speaker 3: but I think this is a particularly bad week for both,

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Speaker 3: to be very honest. Yeah, you know, I mean considering

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Speaker 3: all the man coverage of Brown's played in Week one,

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Speaker 3: as well as you know, just Cam's ability as a

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Speaker 3: pass rusher. I mean, they're not gonna emulate it. I

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Speaker 3: mean they're gonna do their best, but they're not gonna

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Speaker 3: get to his level. I'm sure.

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Speaker 2: Do you think with Jack Conklin being out well, the

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I was thinking that too, maybe, Or

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Speaker 3: do they look at it and say, well, you know,

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Speaker 3: it's sort of like what we've been talking on the

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Speaker 3: flip side of the ball all week is we think

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Speaker 3: the Browns nickel package is their best eleven. Yeah, what

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Speaker 3: do they think the Steelers best eleven is or worst eleven?

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Speaker 3: You know, is it? We don't know much about Porter.

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Speaker 3: We want to get three wide out there and make

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Speaker 3: always tracked up to be or they don't have Hayward,

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Speaker 3: so let's get as many big Steeler bodies on the

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Speaker 3: think got to lean that way if I.

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Speaker 2: Were them, Yeah, yeah, because.

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Speaker 3: They do do a lot of six offensive linemen two

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Speaker 3: three tight ends. I mean, that's kind of what they

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Speaker 2: That doesn't mean if you do that, it doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: the Steelers are going to necessarily play their base defense.

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Speaker 2: They may go to the big nickel again.

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Speaker 3: They could, or maybe you incorporate a third outside linebacker

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Speaker 2: I think that's what I think, you know, when Mike

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Speaker 2: Tomlin talked earlier this week about hey, we're not one

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Speaker 2: guy doesn't replace Cam Hayward. It's a multiplayer job and

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Speaker 2: it's also a coaching job. Schematically, you have to do

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Speaker 2: things different schematically different people what people might expect.

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Speaker 3: As we saw when what was out.

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Speaker 2: I mean, right, all of a sudden, to Marvin Lee,

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Speaker 2: al is outside is an outside backer. While he's that's not.

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Speaker 3: What he drafted. Don't even think he'd be standing on

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Speaker 2: But that was to help their on defense.

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, and they were short on bodies there and

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Speaker 3: give people a different look and something different to prepare for.

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Speaker 3: So with Cam out, do you think it's safe to

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Speaker 3: say their base three four is Adams in the middle

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Speaker 3: flanked by Benton and Ogan Jobi. That's a leap for Benton,

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Speaker 3: But I mean I think.

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Speaker 2: It's because in the three four he's been the nose.

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Speaker 3: I mean, does would he That would be two changes.

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Speaker 3: I mean Adams, I'm not saying he didn't do anything wrong,

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Speaker 3: a great nose? No, But he didn't think he was

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Speaker 3: horrible either, So I wondered, I mean, what is your

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Speaker 2: Four, Which leads me to down that road of maybe

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Speaker 2: the Steelers don't want to play the bass as much,

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Speaker 2: and maybe they go more to the big nickel which

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Speaker 2: only has the two.

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Speaker 3: Maybe put Benton and Nogan Jobi next to one another

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Speaker 3: and have bigger small people.

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Speaker 2: And tell those guys basically, you're telling those guys, you guys,

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Speaker 3: If you two can make those three block, you will

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Speaker 3: be okay, right old school a little bit?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Maybe maybe because this whole idea that your defensive

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Speaker 2: Prior to that, the defensive linemen weren't expected to necessarily

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Speaker 2: And that changed with Cam Hayward and stuff on to it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but there's also no in the league that does

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Speaker 3: it that way anymore either, right, you know, like old

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Speaker 3: school was put Keesol and Smith on the inside, shoulders

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Speaker 3: they often did. Doesn't mean those principles don't still exist.

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Speaker 2: And you can do that, have to do that without communicated,

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Speaker 2: particularly in this game. I think if you force the Browns.

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Speaker 3: Like I would think Foko would be that the best

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Speaker 2: I mean he's not active yet. Well, but to me,

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Speaker 2: if you can force the Browns to double at least

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Speaker 3: Oh, that'd be huge, huge. I mean, that's that's what

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Speaker 3: worries me is I'm not sure they will. I mean

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Speaker 3: Benton's the one that course, yeah, yeah, so I don't

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Speaker 3: think they'll take this approach, nor am I saying it's

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Speaker 3: a bad one. But when we did the Wednesday Night

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Speaker 3: Show with Tim Benz. He just threw this out. He's like,

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Speaker 3: what if they took Adams and Fojoco and did that

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Speaker 3: kind of in a Saragosa Adams kind of way, you

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Speaker 3: know what I mean? Just put those two in the

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Speaker 3: b gaps or on you know, in the outside shoulder

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Speaker 3: of the guards and you two just be huge in

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Speaker 3: the middle. You know, you get no pass rush out

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Speaker 3: of them, and they don't and they're not going to

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Speaker 3: track down Watson on a you know, an outside run. Maybe.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I didn't think it was the worst idea

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Speaker 3: ever heard, but you don't see that much anymore. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: seven pounds.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you do it maybe, you know, you

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Speaker 3: And I don't know how much two gapping ogan job

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think you you pick your spots with

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Speaker 3: break the dam open. Yeah, that is a Brown's concern.

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Speaker 3: Chubb doesn't play as many snaps as people think. No,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, well, those are going to happen, and

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Speaker 2: And you also again you when he's not having those runs,

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Speaker 2: it's not great, but go do you know, go back

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Speaker 2: do it. You know which you can't give up are

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Speaker 3: I know McCaffrey ripped off a long one a week ago,

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Speaker 3: but they still have that same free safety that eliminates

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's going to be another chess match and

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Speaker 2: The Steelers, i believe, are five oh and one. When

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Speaker 2: I mean they've done a reasonable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's had a couple of games where he's you know,

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Speaker 3: And we were talking about this off there he has

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Speaker 2: The longest stretch in his career where he's gone without

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Speaker 3: Touch He's that good. I mean a three game stretch

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Speaker 2: I think he's got like like eighty years. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 2: got yeah, somewhere in that range. Again, nine games against

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Speaker 3: The Steelers also allowed the fewest rushing touchdowns in the

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Speaker 3: looking at from another part, like, yeah, we could use

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Speaker 3: mean we did it for blocking. We needed to block Watt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the one.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: So this according to Pro Football Focus Day one, Jones

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Speaker 3: Okay, I don't They didn't throw.

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Speaker 2: I had to last. So Brian Baldinger put out a

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Speaker 3: That's not legal.

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Speaker 2: So I almost tweeted back at Baldinger if you meant

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Speaker 2: But right, he's like it, he's like a veteran. By

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Speaker 3: Else this isn't exactly a plus. Anthony Munyo's technique here

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Speaker 2: I mean the first play I'm watching, like the hands

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like all rookies have their issues. Joey

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Speaker 3: Game against the Jags.

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Speaker 2: Against the Jags on Sunday to see if they pull

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Speaker 3: My hunch is a little less of it because on

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Speaker 2: So you know what what will happen in that situation

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Speaker 3: They would do it to all thirty two head coaches, right, Hey,

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Speaker 2: Well they probably called all the official every officiate officials

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Speaker 2: That can't happen. You guys got to call.

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Speaker 3: That because I forget who it was. It wasn't Jeane

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's not even close to be the rule.

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Speaker 2: The tackles have to have the their head has to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well you're still getting some.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're still getting back a little bit.

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Speaker 3: But if you're Day one Jones Orlando Brown, your head

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Speaker 2: But what was happening. So I'll be interested to watch

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Speaker 2: I didn't notice it in last night's game. We'll see

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Speaker 2: No, and but it was it wasn't a Thursday night

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Speaker 2: get open. My goodness was rough. Yeah, that was rough

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Speaker 2: to watch.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna get to a breaking that obvious, right and.

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Speaker 2: Allowing guys to get a kid. I did notice a

439
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Speaker 2: couple that were kind of early on the kickstar it's

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Speaker 2: you know, that's that's a timing thing.

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Speaker 3: You're right, Lane Johnson has this is a Brandon Thorn

442
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Speaker 3: thing that's out of my league in terms of the line.

443
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Speaker 3: But he's he's changed his he does things a little differently,

444
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Speaker 3: and people have tried to mimic it over the last

445
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Speaker 3: eight years. And it's kind of a gray area with

446
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Speaker 3: the rules as far as I know, you know, but hey,

447
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,080
Speaker 3: not everyone could do it because of his athleticism. He

448
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Speaker 3: does too, and I don't know exactly what it is,

449
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Speaker 3: and but his kick slides a little different there.

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Speaker 2: By els yeah, just gets a little bit of a headset.

451
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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and you can sell he really puts that

452
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Speaker 3: first back foot, really really reaches in and digs in

453
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Speaker 3: like a like a digging utensil, you know, like like

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Speaker 3: he's digging a ditch or something.

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Speaker 2: Right, That's why he has all the leg and groin

456
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Speaker 2: problems and stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he also ran like a four to seven

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Speaker 3: at the comin.

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Speaker 2: Steelers Nation Radio, and we have that Browns practice so

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Speaker 2: good now. But Tonio yesterday, Yeah, Joel Botonio and Marii

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Speaker 2: Cooper Miles Garrett and Walker. We're all back ok today.

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Speaker 2: That not a surprise. That was a rest day for them.

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Speaker 2: They were all non injury related. Shelby Harris with that

478
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Speaker 2: achilles was limited, Maurice Hearst with the hamstring was limited.

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Speaker 2: Ikawk Eka with the foot did not practice.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I mean that was the story yesterday. As all

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Speaker 3: three of those guys have things. Harris is the best

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Speaker 3: of the bunch.

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Speaker 2: One Thornhill with the calf was limited.

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Speaker 3: I think that's a big deal for them too.

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Speaker 2: And then Jedrick Willis with that foot injury was also limited.

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Speaker 3: Jedrick Wills or will see.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll look at here, I should.

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Speaker 3: You imagine they had both tackles out. I mean, even

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Speaker 3: so he's going to be compromised to some degree. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, but I mean that's what happens is here.

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Speaker 3: If you're out there, nobody cares if you're fighting something.

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Speaker 3: But that's not nothing.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not. I mean, especially you know when you

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Speaker 2: as you mentioned, you're already missing conclude like kind of

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Speaker 2: a big deal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure they're asking Wills not to

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Speaker 3: the Trent Williams degree, but hey, you're gonna have to

498
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Speaker 3: handle Heismith on your own, you know, which doesn't favor

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Speaker 3: him like it does Williams.

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Speaker 2: No, it certainly does not. And so we'll see tomorrow

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Speaker 2: what that final injury report looks like. But the Browns

502
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Speaker 2: are not coming into this in a great spot. Did

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Speaker 2: you see the raven injury report?

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Speaker 3: Not the latest, but it's not great. While you're pulling

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Speaker 3: it up, do you think it's safe to say Deontay,

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Speaker 3: Cam and maybe McFarland are the ones that Steelers are

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Speaker 3: worried about. I mean, Deontay and Cam aren't gonna play.

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Speaker 2: They know they're not gonna gonna say worried. I mean,

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Speaker 2: what do you mean by worry they know?

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Speaker 3: I mean through it last segment. But it sounds like

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Speaker 3: McFarland's the only one that's in danger of not playing. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I would you think the others are probably gonna go.

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Speaker 2: So for the Baltimore Ravens, Marlon Humphrey is out, Ronnie

514
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Speaker 2: Stanley is out. Wow, Tyler Linderbaum is out.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Marcus Williams is out. Mark Andrews is questionable.

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Speaker 3: M hmm. I thought I think Andrews is gonna play.

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Speaker 2: He was a full participant, but he was limited all

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Speaker 2: last week, and John Harvest said, ah, he's gonna play,

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Speaker 2: and Andrews said, wait a second.

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Speaker 3: I who was the one before him, Marcus Williams, he's.

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Speaker 2: Gonna be out for a while. But no Humphrey, no Stanley,

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Speaker 2: no Linderbaum, no Williams.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no chance to win. Well, the Bengals, to me,

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Speaker 3: focusing on the Ravens O line, that's probably the two

526
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Speaker 3: guys you at least want to lose. I mean, center

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Speaker 3: and left tackle always are super important, just for because

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Speaker 3: left tackle is almost always your best guy. And Stanley

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Speaker 3: is on his best day and Linderbaum, I know he's

530
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Speaker 3: in his second year, but he's you know, it's your center.

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Speaker 3: It's your center and all the brains of the operation.

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Speaker 3: And from what I was reading today, the Bengals really

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Speaker 3: really blitz Lamar a lot. And that was the one

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Speaker 3: thing in week one. Well it was more than one thing.

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Speaker 3: I mean that that offense is a work in progress.

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Speaker 3: But both these teams, Bengals and Ravens especially, handed handled

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Speaker 3: blitz very very poorly. So expect the Bengals with Louim

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Speaker 3: Marumo to come throw a lot at you. And even

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Speaker 3: if he is a second year guy, you really want

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Speaker 3: your starting center.

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Speaker 2: For that, I would think so, yeah, you would think, and.

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Speaker 3: I would assume they have new protection calls and dialogue.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's not the same offense.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking here on the thirty third team, they have

545
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Speaker 2: some of these their week two injury report trackers, So

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Speaker 2: they have some of these listed here of the key

547
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Speaker 2: players who are already out and were listed as questions.

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Speaker 2: If they have anybody who has anything any kind of

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Speaker 2: designation here of no? Not? Yeah, well no, I mean

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Speaker 2: anybody there, Yeah, anybody who has a designation is listed

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Speaker 2: on this thing. So just going through this here. For

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Speaker 2: the Cowboys, Brandon Cooks is questionable, Zach Martin questionable, Tyler

553
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Speaker 2: Smith doubtful, Donovan Wilson doubtful.

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Speaker 3: They're playing the Jets. They're playing line.

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Speaker 2: For the Packers. Aaron Jones questionable.

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Speaker 3: But he looked good last week too.

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Speaker 2: Christian Watson questionable.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's back on the practice field, but I don't

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Speaker 3: know if he'll play.

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Speaker 2: David Baktiari questionable.

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Speaker 3: Name guys already one after week one.

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Speaker 2: Kuay Walker questionable for the Colts.

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Speaker 3: Sway Walker's huge too. If you're playing the Falcons run

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Speaker 3: and dealing with Bijehon as a receiver. I mean he's

565
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Speaker 3: he's very important for the Colts.

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Speaker 2: Quentin Nelson questionable with the.

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Speaker 3: Toe also huge they're playing Texans.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that could be something.

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Speaker 3: I didn't play bad.

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Speaker 2: That could be something that kind of lingers with him

571
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Speaker 2: all season to Yeah, Drew Ogletree one of the tight

572
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Speaker 2: ends questionable, he's got concussions. Zach Moss good to go.

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Speaker 3: I guess that's positive. So yeah, better than the dudes

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Speaker 3: they had.

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Speaker 2: How about this for the Jaguars, Guard Brandon Shurf questionable,

576
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 2: Center Luke Fortner questionable, Chris Jones back, defensive lineman Tyler

577
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Speaker 2: Lacy questionable. Safety Antonio Johnson is out, Cornerback Greg Junior

578
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Speaker 2: is out.

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Speaker 3: So back to the Jags O line. Those two are

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Speaker 3: staples in the middle. I mean they're not superstars, but

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Speaker 3: they're good players.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you're paying Schurf a lot of money.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah. Yeah. But their first round pick, Antoine Harrison,

584
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Speaker 3: the Oklahoma kid, he had a really rough day too.

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Speaker 3: And I mean the Chiefs lines up the best in

586
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Speaker 3: the league. But Chris Jones is back, and you know

587
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 3: they can rush the past.

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Speaker 2: I gotta think he'll be on something of a pitch count,

589
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 2: but he always.

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Speaker 3: Kind of is probably yeah.

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00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 2: Uh. For for them, Travis Kelsey is questionable.

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00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 3: I think he's going.

593
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 2: Clyde Edwards Hilaire with an illness is questionable. Chris Jones good,

594
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: good to go for the Raiders again. I'm just going

595
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Speaker 2: through the ones that have Yeah, Chandler Jones, this is

596
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 2: a personal issue. He tweeted something out today about their

597
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Speaker 2: their owner Mark Davis.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: He called him marky Mark first of all, and he said.

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Speaker 3: You don't hear Artie art around? No, No, I mean

601
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 3: that's not great.

602
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Speaker 2: I don't know if he ever plays another game for

603
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Speaker 2: the Raiders. I don't y.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they drafted a defensive in the first round. You know,

605
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 3: he had a weird year and I think he went out.

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00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh. Jacobe Myers with that concussion is out. This

607
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 2: could be something that like he didn't even try to

608
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 2: practice it all this week. He got hit, he got rushed.

609
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, so he might be hopefully for him,

610
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 3: he's not, but he might be in bad shape. He

611
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 3: might not play next week either, Like sitting in a

612
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 3: dark room all week thing and having a brutal week.

613
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 3: That's unfortunate.

614
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, for the Giants. Andrew Thomas questionable.

615
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 3: Huge for them. He might be their best player.

616
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 2: Azizo Jali is doubtful.

617
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 3: At least they play the Cards.

618
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 2: One Del Robinson doubtful. Another one of those Giants wide

619
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Speaker 2: receivers that doesn't play football. Cursed for the Jets who

620
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 2: play the Cowboys. We heard the Cowboys injury list Greg

621
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: zeer Line questionable. It popped up on their injury report

622
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: yesterday with a groin injury.

623
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Speaker 3: You would hope two great defenses play close to the

624
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 3: best game if you're the Jets, and kickers matter.

625
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 2: Brice Hall with the knee questionable. Wonder if it's swelled

626
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 2: up a little bit, they said. They said they were

627
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 2: asked about the coach was asked about it this week.

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00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 2: He said, no, he's still very much on a pitch count.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh I knew that. Yeah, Yeah. They are trying

630
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 3: to ease him back into it. Yeah.

631
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 2: How about these two offensive tackle Makai Beckton, who's their

632
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: right tackle questionable with a knee injury. Offensive tackle Dwayne

633
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: Brown who's their left tackle with a shoulder it is questionable.

634
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 3: It's like Seattle to Wow.

635
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 2: You're gonna put Zach Wilson against that Cowboys defense behind

636
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: the line in which both offensive tackles are suspect. It's

637
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 2: kind of like what the Browns are, Yeah, potentially doing this.

638
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 3: Seattle's dealing with. That's a couple of teams dealing Yeah,

639
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,239
Speaker 3: you know, Houston's is a mess. I was shocked, and

640
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 3: we just talked with the Jags. Dallas is seems like

641
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 3: it's in worse shape than I realized too. I mean,

642
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 3: it was their three best guys that were on the list.

643
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 3: Even if only one of them doesn't play, that's a problem.

644
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 3: I guess Vera Vera Tucker could play tacker tackle well,

645
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 3: but then you get.

646
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 2: Weah, then you if you've hurt yourself at guard.

647
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, well, now it's quarterback. But when Rogers

648
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 3: was healthy, O line was the biggest weakness on the team.

649
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's just some troubling stuff up there right now. Yeah,

650
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 2: some of these offensive lines not.

651
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 3: Uh line in particular is getting hit hard through one week? Yeah.

652
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 2: Uh. Speaking of talking about the last night's game, man,

653
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: somebody posted the question on social media today contract aside,

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Speaker 2: would you trade Kenny Picket for Kirk Cousins. I would

655
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Speaker 2: like taking the contract out of the equation you can't

656
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 2: do that.

657
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, well you definitely can't do that.

658
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 2: I mean, Kirk Cousin is a better quarterback right now

659
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 2: than Canny Picket. There's no doubt, nobody's a question. Nobody's

660
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 2: arguing that.

661
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 3: Yes, he's a good NFL quarterback. He's a plus player.

662
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 3: They had no running game for two times in a

663
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 3: row and he's still taking a beating left and right.

664
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 3: He's a good player.

665
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 2: I know he's always Not having Dara Saw was an

666
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 2: issue for them last night.

667
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 3: Man. Then he tried to gut it out and yeah,

668
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 3: some running game mature helped too. But Kirk Cousins is

669
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 3: a good quarterback.

670
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you.

671
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Speaker 3: Can't take it.

672
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Speaker 2: You can't take the contract out of the equation. No,

673
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 2: this is we live in a real world.

674
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Speaker 3: Like so hypothetical, Let's say that, Let's say the Vikes

675
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 3: lose another I'm like, we're in trouble. It's ozer and

676
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 3: three and the Jets call him and like, what what

677
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 3: what do you want for Cousins? You the Steelers will

678
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 3: want much more for Picket than the Vikings won for Cousins, right.

679
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 2: Because Vikings might just be trying to get the contract

680
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 2: off the book.

681
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 3: Exactly so there's who's the better player. Kirk Cousins. I mean,

682
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 3: he's proven, he's been on the block, he's a good player.

683
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 2: He's one of the top twelve quarterbacks in the league.

684
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, but Pickett is worth more, right, I mean it's just.

685
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins thirty five.

686
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Speaker 3: He might play two more years, you know, yeah. Right.

687
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 2: The guy who was drafted in the same draft class

688
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 2: with Kirk Cousins and was drafted earlier by Washington is

689
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 2: now talking head on TV.

690
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, and luck is gone and this guy's all gone.

691
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 3: Hang that up.

692
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 2: Yeah he's still playing, yeap. But he's old.

693
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 3: He's old, and he's been beat up, and he's expensive.

694
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: Old and expense. He's made a ton of money.

695
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Speaker 3: He's made a ton of money. I mean he was

696
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 3: on the first I think he was the first guaranteed contract.

697
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: Fully guarantee.

698
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, three million, ridiculous, three years for ninety or whatever.

699
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Speaker 2: So I'm looking here at ESPN's little previews of all

700
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Speaker 2: the games, and Jake Trotter, who is the Browns reporter

701
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 2: or ESPN, his bold prediction for this game, and I

702
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: have a hard, hard, hard time believing this will happen.

703
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: The Browns dynamic pass rushing duo of Miles Garrett and

704
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: Zadarius Smith will sack Steelers quarterback Kenny Pickett five times

705
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 2: with defense, just the two of them, just those two

706
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: past the pass rushing duo will sack Steelers quarterback Kenny

707
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: pick Att five times, and Cleveland will win its first

708
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: regular season game in Pittsburgh in twenty years.

709
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 3: But that's their first win in Pittsburgh in twenty they

710
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Speaker 3: won in Pittsburgh.

711
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 2: They have not won in Pittsburgh in twenty years in

712
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Speaker 2: the regular season.

713
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 3: Knew they want to playoff game, but yeah, I'm going to.

714
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: Tell you right now, the Browns to those edge rushers

715
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: will not sack Kenny Pickett five times. Five is a

716
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 2: that's a huge number.

717
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 3: I mean, what had three last week, which was remarkable.

718
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: Garrett had one and Zaidarius Smith had none. Now they

719
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 2: both had a bunch of quarterback hits. Oh yeah, but

720
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: they didn't get the quarterback on the ground.

721
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Burrow got the ball out ridiculously quick

722
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 3: and ridiculously inefficiently too. I mean their pass rush was

723
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 3: impressive last last week, very very But that's a bold,

724
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 3: bold stake.

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00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 2: That's a that's a I mean it.

726
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 3: Borders on ridiculous three because he's a big number. Three

727
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 3: is a big number, right, I mean, if you're gonna

728
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 3: be bold to say three, five, five is huge.

729
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Speaker 2: But I'm just I'm looking up here. Miles Garrett's stats

730
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Speaker 2: against the Steelers is correct.

731
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 3: I don't think they're not.

732
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 2: It's not anything that's that you look and go, wow,

733
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 2: he's really it's not like what numbers against the Browns

734
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,959
Speaker 2: right where he has fifteen sacks and ten games.

735
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 3: I don't think it's close to a sack of game

736
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 3: and it's no where, and he's at like point nine

737
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 3: sacks per game for his career in the league.

738
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Speaker 2: So in ten games against the Steelers he has seven sacks,

739
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 2: which is very good, but it's below his career average.

740
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 2: He averages like point eight nine, it's right behind it's

741
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 2: right behind what in terms.

742
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 3: Of his career both slightly under one, which is a

743
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 3: huge number.

744
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, but I mean in ten career games he

745
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 2: has thirty three tackles in seven sacks. They have done

746
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 2: a pretty good job on Miles Garrett of negating him.

747
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 3: Now, I will say that it's going to be harder

748
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 3: this year than ever because he doesn't have Tavin Bryan

749
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 3: as a second leading sack artist, you know, alongside him,

750
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 3: they have more. But if you're playing with the lead

751
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 3: and you run the ball.

752
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 2: But it's no like this. So the Steelers treated Clowney

753
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 2: with a lot of respect when they when and Clowney.

754
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,760
Speaker 3: He's not a big sack guy, but he had nine.

755
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: He did have nine secks when you're playing opposite in

756
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 2: Cleveland at nine Cleveland, that was his career high.

757
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 3: Okay, that's why the stat was no. One said double

758
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 3: digits someone at nine.

759
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 2: He had nine. The Steelers aren't going to let Miles

760
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 2: Garrett wreck the game.

761
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,919
Speaker 3: I'm sure not. I mean, I I definitely, I mean,

762
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 3: I guess this isn't saying much considering how they're constructed,

763
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 3: but I would bet the others have more sacks than him,

764
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 3: you know, like last year, I would say Garrett's going

765
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 3: to outsack all his teammates if I were betting going

766
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 3: into the game, because they were bad. But I don't know.

767
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 3: Huge thing with Kenny is starting to really show up

768
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 3: in his career, and he's young, and this isn't unusual,

769
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 3: but it was true on Sunday. It's a it's not

770
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 3: a magic number. But when the ball comes out in

771
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 3: two and a half or less. His numbers are really

772
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 3: really good within the structure of the play. When he

773
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 3: starts to hold it in double clutch and try to create,

774
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 3: that's when bad things are happening.

775
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you got to keep them monk schedule.

776
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 3: Schedule, and he didn't play in any rhythm.

777
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 2: And it goes back to what we were talking about

778
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 2: earlier in the week and what I wrote about today

779
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: in my five for Friday. Run the football right, right, Like,

780
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 2: I'm not convinced that Cleveland's run defense is fixed.

781
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 3: To me, that's how you test things on offense.

782
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: If I could get everything in third and five.

783
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 3: Or less, all right, now.

784
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: You can get the ball quickly and just move the change.

785
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 3: Or scramble and slide and you know, I mean you

786
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 3: can improv and just pick up five yards on ten.

787
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 2: Like if you're The magic number for me in this

788
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 2: game is to keep pickings drop back. The times that

789
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 2: he throws the football under thirty, i'd the idea, that's

790
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: the ideal, Yeah, because that means your defense is doing

791
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 2: its job, it's keeping and you're running the football. You're saying,

792
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: you know when Yeah, if he goes out and tries

793
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: to throw forty five. I think he threw forty almost fifty.

794
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: They dropped back to past fifty times the times I think, yeah,

795
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 2: then Miles Garrett and Zadarios Smith, they're going to have

796
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 2: an opportunity to get to get five sex seats if

797
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: you don't let the game play out like that.

798
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 3: Especially if the fourth quarter gets the point where no

799
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 3: one's running the ball right, you.

800
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 2: Know, then you don't get into that situation. And Jake

801
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 2: Trotter is eating a bunch of crow.

802
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 3: So if I told or if you told me he

803
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 3: dropped back forty times against the Browns on Monday Night,

804
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 3: I think I'm betting on the Browns to win. Yeah, right,

805
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?

806
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: Absolutely, that tells me what the game script, you know,

807
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 2: went like, uh, looking at Garrett here. Garrett has twelve

808
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 2: Section ten games against the Bengals. That makes a lot

809
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 2: of sense because.

810
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 3: They've been burrowskryptonite the last couple.

811
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 2: Years, and he has six against the Ravens. So as

812
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 2: good as he is, he has not torn up the

813
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 2: division opponent's quite to the same level as TJ. Watt has.

814
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 3: No, No, he hasn't. I mean, obviously, the Bengals he's

815
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 3: done really well against won last week.

816
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: Right, I'm just looking at like five in five games

817
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 2: against the Jets, he has nine sacks.

818
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 3: Like you wonder if when you see those kind of

819
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 3: stats divisions different, you wonder did he have four one

820
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 3: day or something? Some cheese ball. Yeah right, some super

821
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 3: can out there.

822
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 2: Some guy subbing for Christian dari saw last night exactly

823
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 2: like he took advantage of it.

824
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 3: I'm gonna rack him up all once.

825
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Kansas City he has uh two in two games.

826
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 2: That's like he's it's not anything crazy in some of

827
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: these for against some of these other teams, except for

828
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: the Bengals.

829
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 3: Bengals are problem. Yeah, but Bengals had bad tackles during

830
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 3: that time. Yeah. Yeah, they've been they've been searching for him.

831
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 3: They keep changing them and buying new ones.

832
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's really the one that really stands out for him.

833
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 3: Sounds like he's consistent though. I mean, he's a very

834
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 3: good player week after week.

835
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: There's no doubt.

836
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 3: Yeah.

837
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, in thirty career games against the AFC North,

838
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 2: he has twenty five sacks, which is really good. That's

839
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 2: really no, that's.

840
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 3: It's really really good. Yeah. Yeah, Okay, but it doesn't

841
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 3: measure up to what that watts is noticeably higher. I

842
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 3: know we went through it. I know it's I think

843
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 3: he averages more than a sack of game against the North. Yeah,

844
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure.

845
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 2: Which is what you want. I mean, you want your

846
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: guys to dominate their division opponents.

847
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 3: That means you know him too. And I'm not saying

848
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 3: Garrett doesn't study Chukes and more and all those guys.

849
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 3: But did you hear the goofy thing about Garrett came out?

850
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 3: Garrett's a odd dude.

851
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 2: I mean, he is a very strange fellow.

852
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 3: I don't think you and I were talking about this,

853
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 3: but he asked his coordinator, and I'm paraphrasing, can I

854
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 3: go against Dan Moore every snap? So it's A and

855
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 3: M verus A and M if I was a coordinator, Like, no,

856
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 3: no tear one bit. Where you guys went to college,

857
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 3: We're gonna line you up so you can do your

858
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 3: best work. I guess they're friends and they were at

859
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 3: A and M together and whatever. But I don't know

860
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 3: why that's a story, Like that's so strange to me

861
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 3: that you would even consider that.

862
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever he is, he is a weirdo.

863
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 3: He's strange, dude.

864
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's where I overdue for a break.

865
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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 2: signed by TJ. Watt. Today's question Matt is Willie Parker

880
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: or Nausea Harris who had the most rushing yards in

881
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 2: a Steelers game against Cleveland.

882
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 3: Hmmm, No, I don't want to. I know Nausey had

883
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 3: a big one.

884
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: He eight one hundred and sixty.

885
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 3: Eight eight, But maybe I know he averages over one

886
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 3: hundred yards per game through four four battles with the Brownies.

887
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 3: I can't remember Parker. You'd know better than I would

888
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 3: if he had big ones or not. But I'm not

889
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 3: giving away any answers. I know nause He's done well, Yes,

890
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 3: done very well.

891
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 2: Well, I can tell you that Willy did well as well.

892
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: By accident, Yeah, they didn't pick Franco Harris.

893
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and some other guys have racked up yard this. Yeah,

894
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 3: and Willie he rips off an eighty yarder. You know,

895
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 3: Willie was fast, will he could fly. I don't know

896
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 3: if I've ever told the story, but I was fortunate

897
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 3: enough way back when to get asked to play in

898
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 3: the Heinz Ward celebrity softball game. And I hadn't picked

899
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 3: up a glove in ten years, you know whatever. And

900
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 3: I was playing first because I'm not the most mobile

901
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 3: fellow back in my little league days. I was the

902
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 3: first big guy anyway. So Willy comes to the plate.

903
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 3: He doesn't apparently have a lot of softball experience. He's

904
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 3: swinging and missing quite a bit. Finally gets a hold

905
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 3: gets I'm putting this quotes, gets a hold of one.

906
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 2: Puts the ball in play, He dribbles it.

907
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 3: It doesn't even get to the mound. But then he

908
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 3: comes on the first base line like the road runner,

909
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 3: like his feed are on fire, like he's mercury, and

910
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 3: I just like got out of the way, like yeah,

911
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 3: and then he probably could have stole every base if

912
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 3: we were allowed to do that.

913
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:24,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

914
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 3: Not a big hitter, but he could run.

915
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 2: I can remember. So this is very early in the

916
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 2: fantasy football era. Yeah, I was doing some stuff for

917
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 2: four for four dot com.

918
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 3: They're probably new and it's probably not.

919
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is before Willie Parker blown up, and they

920
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 2: asked me, who's a who's your sleeper running back? I

921
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 2: mean I wrote up a thing and.

922
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 3: Then sleepers were sleeping? You're who's actually go to the internet.

923
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: Who's your Steelers sleeper this year? And I said the

924
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,919
Speaker 2: season before the season and I said Willie Parker.

925
00:42:58,920 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 3: And they're like, who's that?

926
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 2: And nobody know who Willy Parker was, but some people,

927
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 2: because of that designation that I gave him, it must

928
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,479
Speaker 2: have stashed him away or at least they started paying

929
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 2: attention to it, and therefore I was always known as well.

930
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: He gave us Willy Parker Like.

931
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 3: Wow, and that's awesome, but I mean, that's so funny that.

932
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 2: People say the beat writers don't know what the hell

933
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 2: we're talking about.

934
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 3: So some don't, but this one does. It's so funny though,

935
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 3: Like there were sleepers back then. I think people say

936
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 3: the word sleeper now, Like.

937
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 2: Priest Holmes before he became Priest Holmes.

938
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 3: I'm a sleeper. I hadn't heard of him.

939
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 2: Those are the kind of guys that you know, these

940
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 2: guys that are undrafted or later on draft picks to

941
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: become thousand yard rushers.

942
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:40,959
Speaker 3: That's a sleep that's a sleeper. I mean, you grab

943
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 3: that guy in the last round of your fantasy draft. No,

944
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 3: never heard of him. You don't just go grab your

945
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 3: phone and type him in real quick and figure out

946
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 3: everything you need to know about the guy.

947
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 2: You know, there's a much different world.

948
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 3: Go to our lads, like who's the backup in Chicago.

949
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 3: I'll take him. I never heard of them, but I'll

950
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 3: take him anyways.

951
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 2: I also remember one time we were training camp and

952
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 2: I had done a story early on early and Willie's

953
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 2: career on him, like maybe like the first guy to

954
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: write something about a big feature story on and so

955
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 2: we had he's an undrafted rookie, this one undraft for rookies.

956
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 2: We had a good, a good relationship. And this is

957
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,919
Speaker 2: maybe a year or two into his career and I'm

958
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: over at the gym at Saint Bencent College and I

959
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 2: was just shooting around and there was another guy came

960
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 2: in and he wanted to He's like, hey, you want

961
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 2: to you want to play one on one. I'm like, okay,

962
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 2: So Willie comes in the doors. We're playing down at

963
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,919
Speaker 2: the other end of the gymnasium.

964
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 3: Okay, two, just the two of us.

965
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Willie comes walking in and I saw him come

966
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 2: on walking in, So we're playing a little make it

967
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: take it here, and I rip off like five three

968
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 2: pointers in a row. Nice this guy in my face

969
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 2: and uh, Willie's walking by and he just gives me

970
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: a little head nod Like I'm like, yeah, you.

971
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 3: Guys already knew each other, and you'd already interviewed him.

972
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 3: And if he was fain attention, he wasn't just strolling through.

973
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 2: I could shoot the little bit Willy.

974
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I like it, but uh.

975
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 2: A little little respect there from Willie. But we were

976
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: always good. I mean, I you know, I can remember

977
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: talking to him, like even after his last game. I remember,

978
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 2: you know, there was a bunch of people obviously wanted

979
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 2: to talk to everybody knew he was going to be

980
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 2: a free agent. And his last I think we were

981
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: down in Washington, if memory serves somewhere. We're on the

982
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 2: road and he had had a decent game and I

983
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 2: walk over to him and uh, he's got his back

984
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 2: turned to everybody, and he's kind of getting dressed. I'm like,

985
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 2: will he got him in? He's like for you. Yeah,

986
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 2: And you know we talked about.

987
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 3: I'm sure to him when he got to Saint Vincent

988
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 3: for the first time.

989
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 2: No, No, he was yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know,

990
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 2: back then you have to remember as well, the OTAs

991
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 2: weren't really the ot as at that point.

992
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 3: We weren't broadcasting from Yeah, we were not broadcasting like this.

993
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 2: The OTA stuff has just become something of a bigger animal,

994
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: maybe in the last decade. Like when they first.

995
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 3: Start they mentioned it like on Channel two news back then.

996
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, when they first started having ot as, sometimes Bill

997
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 2: Cower came to him. Sometimes he stood sometimes he stood

998
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 2: up on the observation deck like he was a college

999
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 2: coach watching the practice, and you know that was the

1000
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 2: coaching staff would be done.

1001
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 3: There their position Grove.

1002
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do the position stuff, but that was about

1003
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 2: and sometimes he didn't come at all. It wasn't that

1004
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: big of a deal. And if you know, you didn't

1005
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 2: nobody tracked who was there and who wasn't there. They

1006
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 2: were optional, they still are.

1007
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 3: Forget that.

1008
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 2: Nobody got that out of shape if so so and

1009
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 2: so didn't come to this. They had like six of.

1010
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 3: Them, you know, and there was six of them and

1011
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 3: then they disappeared and no one thought twice of it,

1012
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 3: which probably was better. I mean, the way we scrutinized

1013
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 3: otass A.

1014
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 2: I mean, I can remember when I first started covering

1015
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 2: the team, Like the first time I saw the team

1016
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 2: that year was at mini camp. Okay, they had signed

1017
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 2: they had signed Kevin Green that off season, and I

1018
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: walked over and asked that, you know, Kevin, that's a

1019
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 2: big position.

1020
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 3: He was one of them.

1021
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, can I can I talk to you

1022
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 2: for a minute. And he was the first quote unquote

1023
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 2: interview that I did with the Steelers player. Once I

1024
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: was actually on the beat, I had done some stuff

1025
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 2: like I did a story of Carlton Hasserog when he

1026
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: was because we're you know, we're both upj guys and

1027
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 2: I called him up and did you know, wrote that story?

1028
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 3: But so reporters weren't even at OTAs, I mean not really,

1029
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 3: like maybe maybe he didn't because nobody cared.

1030
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 2: Nobody there weren't OTAs that at that point. It was

1031
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 2: kind of the point here, like those didn't come until

1032
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 2: maybe a couple of years after that.

1033
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 3: You weren't writing a hundred articles about OTAs either.

1034
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 2: No, there were no Internet like you now you like

1035
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 2: you go, you would go maybe at mini camp and

1036
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 2: talk to like seven or eight different guys so you

1037
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: could stash some stuff away to have something to write

1038
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 2: after mini camp.

1039
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 3: Leading up to the training camp.

1040
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 2: Now you go talk to these guys and everybody tweets

1041
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 2: it out and it's just, oh, it's all out there,

1042
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 2: and then all the the aggregators pick everything up and oh,

1043
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: they're going to write a story off of this quote that.

1044
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 3: He's running with the twos. Look, come on, man, nice, Yeah,

1045
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 3: OTAs are. It's fun to go down there because you

1046
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 3: haven't seen rookies and pads and haven't seen the Steelers

1047
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 3: in a while. But there's not much to see.

1048
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 2: You learn quickly like oh this guy, you know, this

1049
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 2: guy looked really good. Well, yeah, nobody's hitting him.

1050
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 3: The lineman all looked great, and the receivers running skeleton

1051
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 3: drills look great, and the quarterbacks.

1052
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,760
Speaker 2: The guys really fast, look really fast.

1053
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I know we're up against it, but

1054
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 3: I mean even in like Week one, like Josh Allen

1055
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 3: looked like he had not seen a real pass rush.

1056
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 3: Yeah you know, because sure he played a snapper two

1057
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,919
Speaker 3: a few snaps against Steelers or whatever, but no one's

1058
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 3: come close to hitting him in practice or rush him

1059
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:48,919
Speaker 3: or they're gonna get.

1060
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 2: Cut in the game Steelers was almost a month ago.

1061
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 3: It was almost a month ago, right, Most quarterbacks in

1062
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 3: Week one have not seen a real pass rush the

1063
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 3: whole time.

1064
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again you had that two weeks off. I

1065
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 2: expect WITCH games to be much crisp berth than last

1066
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 2: week's games. And I and in next week's games will

1067
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,240
Speaker 2: be even more like.

1068
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 3: Like Week three, I think will look like NFL offense.

1069
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's like even last night, like.

1070
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 3: I know, the Hurts doesn't look right. Hurts doesn't.

1071
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just gonna. Hurts does not look like

1072
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 2: the player who played last year down the stretch.

1073
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 3: No, he doesn't look like an MVP candidate. No. Sure,

1074
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 3: he made some throws and he made some runs, but

1075
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 3: they're not crisp yet. No, nothing off eight hundred times.

1076
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, they saw that he wasn't crisp, and they're

1077
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: just going to run the crap out of the football yard.

1078
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 2: And the next thing you know, they've run the ball

1079
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 2: fifty times.

1080
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 3: Since and the Vices has turned the ball over four

1081
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 3: times and almost came back. And really they made it again.

1082
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 3: They made it again, right, I mean the Eagles would

1083
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 3: have blown that team out from a year ago.

1084
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna get Yeah, we're gonna get to another break.

1085
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 2: Here he is Matt Williams and I am Dale. Lawlly,

1086
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 2: you're listening to the Driver on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll

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Speaker 2: be back with the Fantasy football focused on our DFS

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Speaker 2: lineup for the weekend right after this