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Speaker 1: Something's been bothering me recently. Tell me, why is it

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Speaker 1: that when women start businesses online and build platforms and

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Speaker 1: why are those women criticized and derided and like looked

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Speaker 2: Why is it not seen like a real job.

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Speaker 3: Why is it not seen as a real job.

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Speaker 1: It's like like fake work, or it's not as dignified

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Speaker 1: as like working for a company or a corporation, like

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Speaker 1: in an office setting. But but when athletes and superstars

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Speaker 1: and musicians launch their own products, they're like moguls.

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Speaker 4: Why is it devalued when women do it? But when

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Speaker 4: men do it, they're titans of industry.

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Speaker 1: People are lining up around the block to get their shoe,

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Speaker 1: the latest footwear with your favorite man's name and face

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Speaker 3: What is the deal?

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Speaker 2: Look, radio, let's talk about it.

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Speaker 1: I think we need to start with this conversation by

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Speaker 1: talking about what is an influencer? What makes someone an

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Speaker 1: influencer in this day and age? Twenty twenty five, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six now.

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Speaker 2: Happy New year.

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Speaker 4: By the way, it's twenty twenty six now, and I'm

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Speaker 4: Viosa and I'm Mala and we're the host of Look

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Speaker 4: at Our Radio, and we want to talk about influencing

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Speaker 4: and what it's like to be a woman online, the

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Speaker 4: almost stigma that influencers carry, especially if they're women, and

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Speaker 4: the nuance of the creator economy and the ethics of it.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes they are a questionable influencing that happens, but also

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Speaker 4: there's also real women that are running their businesses who

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Speaker 4: also happened to be influencers.

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Speaker 1: It's true, and I think that there are a couple

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Speaker 1: different camps here because I think that there are people

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Speaker 1: who create online with the intention of becoming influencers and

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Speaker 1: being influencers, which is its own job category now in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, being an influencer is.

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Speaker 3: A job.

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Speaker 4: It's a career, and it is a billion dollar industry.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 4: So think what you want about influencers and whether it

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Speaker 4: is a real job or not, but there are real

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Speaker 4: hours going into it and it's a real economic industry.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it continues to grow and it's not going anywhere.

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Speaker 1: Real contracts, real checks, real products, real traffic, real views.

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Speaker 1: And to quote a rather famous influencer, Bethany Frankel, she

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Speaker 1: was on call her daddy not too long ago, and

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Speaker 1: I've been following Bethany since hows and I come across

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Speaker 1: to Bethany's TikTok's when she's like eating her bagels with

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Speaker 1: all are not familiar with Bethany Frankel, she also is

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Speaker 1: the CEO of The Skinny Girl Margarita's. So Bethany was

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Speaker 1: talking about how even though she was on the Apprentice

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Speaker 1: But that's partially because, according to her, social media is TV.

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Speaker 1: This is television, TikTok reels, YouTube, There are sometimes more

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Speaker 3: I mean, YouTube is huge.

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Speaker 1: It's like the biggest studio in the world, and TikTok

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Speaker 1: And my thought also is that you know, Michelle Obama

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Speaker 4: Michelle Obama has a production company, Yeah Higher Grounds.

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Speaker 2: They create some really incredible.

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Speaker 4: Podcasts and documentaries and documentaries, and she also now hosts

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Speaker 1: Herself herself, So Michelle Obama is posting her podcasting clips.

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Speaker 1: If it's good enough for Michelle, it's good enough for me.

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Speaker 1: That's how I feel about it. So I think that

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Speaker 1: that just wasn't the landscape when we started.

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Speaker 4: No, it's so different now, But I think that the

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Speaker 4: pandemic definitely forced us into and forces not the right word,

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Speaker 4: We worked with HBO, Max and Warner Brothers, and there

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Speaker 4: So I don't think it was a conscious like, oh,

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Speaker 2: And whenever there is a.

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Speaker 4: there's even pay disparities. And so just thinking, with all

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Speaker 1: I think there I think you're absolutely right. I think

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Speaker 1: think that there's a lot of like people hating from

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Speaker 1: Whereas there are men who are obsessed with Lebron James

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Speaker 1: it's something for them to look down on and to hate,

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean, even just you can do a quick scroll

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Speaker 4: which doesn't exist either anymore.

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Speaker 4: Things like that that whenever a woman post online her success.

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Speaker 1: I've seen those specifically, I've seen some really nice comments

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Yes, there's definitely this one sided hatred. And I

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Speaker 4: I think all people can find themselves at the bench, right,

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Speaker 4: Like you said, because it takes a lot of nerve,

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Speaker 4: There is this influencer and I would say a friend.

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Speaker 2: Now. Her name is Anissa.

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Speaker 2: I met her on the trip.

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Speaker 4: She's a lovely person and when we were out traveling,

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Speaker 2: Of it too. Don't go anywhere, look amotives, We'll be

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Speaker 3: Again. It reminds me of the Ja Loo hate. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And it's okay, you do it, then let me see

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let me see you do this.

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Speaker 2: Let me see you add fifty four. Do what she's doing.

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Speaker 1: Come on, Yeah, nobody can, right, and yeah, it's everybody's

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Speaker 3: No, but not everybody can do it.

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Speaker 4: Not everyone can make money off of it. Not everyone

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Speaker 2: It's very hard. It's very hard. It's a lot of work.

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Speaker 4: whenever there's this democratized space, I think there's a lot

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Speaker 4: of hatred and there's a lot of classism. There's a

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Speaker 4: lot of elitism that stems from it. But there's also

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Speaker 4: this reality that people are exhausted from being online. There's

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Speaker 4: a lot of I think social media fatigue. There's also

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Speaker 4: So that's when I realized, like, even if whether you

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Speaker 4: It is downplaying the influence of the influencers, good or bad, right,

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Speaker 4: in and our future. Influencers are not going away good

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Speaker 4: There's also this information cycle that could also be rooted

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I think any time we see people really downplaying and

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and an influencer is not a journalist. A

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Speaker 3: It's true.

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Speaker 1: I think that maybe there was a period of time

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Speaker 4: Absolutely well, this conversation was very nourishing in a way

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Speaker 3: It's very real.

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Speaker 1: I mean, as the Trump administration continues to do its worst,

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Speaker 1: The very damaging negative initiatives being carried out online and

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Speaker 1: In a lot of ways, I don't think people are

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Speaker 4: There are chapters everywhere, and so it is definitely something

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Speaker 3: A martyr has been made and that's all we'll say

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Drink some water, go on a walk listening to this.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna go outside.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we're gonna touch grass now, all right, love y'all.

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Speaker 2: I we'll talk to you later.

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Speaker 3: Please eat those.

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Speaker 2: Look I thought.

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Speaker 5: Our radio is executive produced and hosted by me Fiosa

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Speaker 5: and me Mala, also edited by me fiosa

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Speaker 2: Local loon