Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal.
Speaker 2: I'll that for me. I'm a man, I'm forty. I've
Speaker 2: heard so many players say, well, I want to be happy.
Speaker 2: You want to be happy for day. Edith Steak is
Speaker 2: that woman, and tie.
Speaker 1: Oh for Baars. Welcome back aboard the Chuoese cruise. No
Speaker 1: Mayflower Monday here on the solid verbal, Dan, how are
Speaker 1: you good?
Speaker 2: My pitch was Monday in the marina because I'm actually
Speaker 2: going to be staying down within a few minutes of
Speaker 2: a marina here the next couple nights in Los Angeles, Tie,
Speaker 2: So I will be around boats. You will be around boats,
Speaker 2: around the boats. So I'm very excited for this Mayflower
Speaker 2: Monday because because it is Thanksgiving week, we have our
Speaker 2: our pilgrim buckle hats, We've got our buckled shoes. You've
Speaker 2: got a bounty of root vegetables. Hypothetically they're all with
Speaker 2: me here in the studio.
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I am very happy to we're getting this
Speaker 2: word right, disembark.
Speaker 1: Disembarking the Mayflower here, we're getting yes off, We're now
Speaker 1: asure and we're gonna go through a bunch of questions
Speaker 1: that we got from the verballer hood. Some are about
Speaker 1: college football, some are about Thanksgiving, but ultimately we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about the stuff that we're thankful for.
Speaker 2: I can tell you I'm not thankful for Jaden Daniel's arm. No,
Speaker 2: the J flower, the jflower, nice, the jflower. Thank you.
Speaker 2: That's the funniest thing I've said all year. But I
Speaker 2: am thankful that Jade and Daniels exist. So, yes, we're
Speaker 2: gonna take We have a bunch of Thanksgiving related questions,
Speaker 2: just general football related questions. As we disembark, we are
Speaker 2: going to try. We're going to get You'll see that
Speaker 2: this is out sooner than usual. So we had fair
Speaker 2: winds and following seas, following seas and fair winds or what.
Speaker 2: It's some iteration of what I just said. So Tyle,
Speaker 2: let's start, and let's let's start deboting, devoting.
Speaker 1: Yes, let's top off the ship here for once. You've
Speaker 1: been on yeah, the open seas all year on this show.
Speaker 1: And where should we start.
Speaker 2: Let's just start with Okay, we received this question, I
Speaker 2: believe before Miami lost to f IU. But Chris wants
Speaker 2: to know where do you rank Jaron Williams compared to
Speaker 2: other freshman quarterbacks guiding their team across the open seas.
Speaker 2: So for this exercise we will count red shirt and
Speaker 2: true freshman tie. So here are some notables, and you
Speaker 2: tell me if you'd rather have Jaren Williams or this person.
Speaker 2: Sure now that we are for most teams eleven games
Speaker 2: in so, Keaton Slovas.
Speaker 1: I would rather have Keaton Slovis.
Speaker 2: I think that's correct. Dylan Gabriel, you see f I
Speaker 2: would rather have.
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, I like you're out on Dylan Gabriel weirdly.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess the answer is Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 2: But twenty five touchdown passes to seven picks, he's completed
Speaker 2: sixty percent of his passes. Yeah, it's the rating of
Speaker 2: nearly one hundred and sixty.
Speaker 1: I think the answer is still Dylan Gabriel. But okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not as high on him as a lot of
Speaker 1: people are.
Speaker 2: Sam Howell.
Speaker 1: Sam Howell to me is the cutoff line, Okay, the
Speaker 1: Howell sphere. Yeah, I think I think I would still
Speaker 1: prefer Sam Howell. Okay, I think Jaren Williams would be
Speaker 1: next up after him.
Speaker 2: The best of Jared Williams is better than a good
Speaker 2: deal of Sam Howell. I don't know. If Sam Howell
Speaker 2: is putting up stats on a SOSO team, but that's
Speaker 2: that one's tough for me. I'd rather have Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 1: Sam Howells thirty two touchdown passes. It could be the offense,
Speaker 1: but he's also pretty good, and we've talked about how
Speaker 1: he's got a little bit of Baker Mayfield at him.
Speaker 1: So from that standpoint alone, the statistics are to deny
Speaker 1: and I'm definitely a little bit higher on on samhow I.
Speaker 2: Would put Jared Williams above bow Nicks. I would put
Speaker 2: him above I think Spencer Sanders, Yes, Jack Plumber, Perdue
Speaker 2: at probably Max Duggan's interesting, but he doesn't complete his passes,
Speaker 2: And no, that might be what about offensive.
Speaker 1: You're not putting him ahead of the Jflower, are you? No?
Speaker 2: No, No, Jaydon Daniels, And you know part of it,
Speaker 2: it's going to take a little bit more time for
Speaker 2: Asu to do it consistently on offense. But the best
Speaker 2: of him, as we've now seen against Oregon against a
Speaker 2: not great Wazoo defense, but he was very good in
Speaker 2: that game. The Jflower, with his weapons, they're going to
Speaker 2: have a really fun offense moving forward. I would agree, well,
Speaker 2: John Reese Plumbley and what he's been able to do
Speaker 2: on the ground.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I would still take Jared Williams. Ryan Halensky, Uh,
Speaker 1: I'll take Jared Williams. I think that's I think that's correct.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think other notable mentioned Spencer sand Garrett
Speaker 1: Trader Mississippi State has been sort of off and on.
Speaker 1: I Trader, but he's been off and on right. I
Speaker 1: think we've found that line pretty well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that in terms of freshmen who have
Speaker 2: played significant time this year. So Sam Howell to me
Speaker 2: is questionable the Howel's sphere, but I think we're pretty
Speaker 2: aligned otherwise agreed the Florida State opening at the time
Speaker 2: we're recording this it so it's very Stoopsian in both that.
Speaker 2: Mark has reportedly spoken to Florida State but has pulled
Speaker 2: his name out allegedly of consideration. Bob Stoops doesn't appear
Speaker 2: to be interested at this time. Obviously, Mike Norvell has
Speaker 2: raised eyebrows with what he's done at Memphis. You know,
Speaker 2: James Franklin is going to be in the mix for
Speaker 2: any coaching opening. We have a question from it's I
Speaker 2: think it's from Will Brian Kelly to Florida State, Yeah,
Speaker 2: legit or not legit? And would he be a steal
Speaker 2: for Florida State.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing that Brian Kelly has going for him.
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly has been successful every stop he's been at,
Speaker 1: and he's got success building programs. It has been a
Speaker 1: slow build at Notre Dame, but there is no denying
Speaker 1: that the Irish are in a better spot now than
Speaker 1: they were when he got there. And the one thing
Speaker 1: that I think remains for him is winning that national championship.
Speaker 1: Now Notre Dame is certainly closer, closer than ever before,
Speaker 1: at least in this modern era of getting back to
Speaker 1: that level. But they still are up against something of
Speaker 1: a ceiling because they've got I think, different restrictions when
Speaker 1: it comes to recruiting, and I think no, yes and no.
Speaker 1: But there are restrictions in place that aren't in place,
Speaker 1: at least not to the same degree at Florida State. Also,
Speaker 1: if you go to Florida State, clearly you're in the
Speaker 1: midst of a recruiting hotbed in the state of Florida.
Speaker 1: Florida State is easier to recruit to, especially for Florida kids,
Speaker 1: than it would be bringing those kids up to Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: So I think it's appealing to Brian Kelly for those reasons.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you'd leave a good situation at
Speaker 1: Notre Dame to go to Florida State because Notre Dame
Speaker 1: is certainly more stable than Florida State is at the moment.
Speaker 1: But I think, depending on what his goals are, going
Speaker 1: to Florida State gives him a better chance of winning
Speaker 1: a national championship over the span of a career than
Speaker 1: just simply staying at Notre Dame.
Speaker 2: Okay, I was gonna say, does it seem like to
Speaker 2: you he is somebody that would welcome a refresh, a
Speaker 2: reboot that a new job would offer. That's just Notre
Speaker 2: Dame is so unique in its challenges and in its
Speaker 2: advantages that there is something he misses about potentially playing
Speaker 2: on a more consistently big stage because Notre Dame is
Speaker 2: so dependent on Stanford, USC, Michigan, Michigan still, there's just
Speaker 2: variables across so many conferences, whereas with Florida State, it
Speaker 2: does feel more rooted in knowing where you are.
Speaker 1: So I'll harken back to this, we were at I
Speaker 1: forget what our last stop was when we went to
Speaker 1: the National Championship. I guess it was the Atlanta year, okay.
Speaker 1: And I remember sitting in that little like common area
Speaker 1: that they set up for sports media, and it was
Speaker 1: you and I and we were talking to Bruce Felman,
Speaker 1: and Bruce brought up Brian Kelly, and at that point
Speaker 1: in time, for whatever reason, I thought it would be
Speaker 1: wise to tell him that I thought Brian Kelly was
Speaker 1: going to leave. I was convinced maybe at the Giants, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was convinced that he was going to leave for
Speaker 1: something like the Giant's job. And Bruce, to his credit,
Speaker 1: looked at me very respectfully, and you know, I shouldn't
Speaker 1: have to tell Bruce Felman any kind of coaching news.
Speaker 1: Certainly wasn't coaching news at that point. It was just
Speaker 1: an opinion. But I was always I was always a
Speaker 1: little bit self conscious of that opinion, most notably because
Speaker 1: it didn't work out and he didn't leave. And I'm
Speaker 1: as a Notre Dame fan okay with that, But at
Speaker 1: that point in time, I thought that Kelly had aspirations
Speaker 1: to go into the NFL and that did not work out.
Speaker 1: There has been plenty since then, that's been published out
Speaker 1: there about how he's happy where he is. He doesn't
Speaker 1: really feel the need to go anywhere else, And I
Speaker 1: would probably err on the side of him not going
Speaker 1: anywhere at this point in his career. But I think
Speaker 1: Florida State's appealing for a number of reasons if you
Speaker 1: should want to stay in the college game and also
Speaker 1: pursue that national championship.
Speaker 2: And I think that's all reasonable. Ty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, next question, Yes, what are you doing turkey wise?
Speaker 2: We're going Wegman's turkey this year. You're just picking up
Speaker 2: You're just making it easy and simple.
Speaker 1: We're going the Carved Turkey Classic or whatever they call
Speaker 1: it in the pamphlet, hand carved Turkey Meal. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: getting two of them. We're having a bunch of people
Speaker 1: over here in the house.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: So it's going to be a home game Thanksgiving. Got
Speaker 1: all sorts of fixings and side dishes that we have
Speaker 1: assigned out to other family members that are coming. But
Speaker 1: it's going to be our first ever Thanksgiving hosting role. Dan,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty excited.
Speaker 2: Are you worried about anything clean up or people ruining
Speaker 2: your expensive secret security cameras all over your house?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: Are you worriedy worried about having a large group at
Speaker 2: your place.
Speaker 1: I am first and foremost worried that the dog may
Speaker 1: decide to go into heat, and that could make things
Speaker 1: very interesting here. Sure the point spread would shift dramatically
Speaker 1: if that were the case, But other than that, I
Speaker 1: think no, I think we've got things pretty well in hand.
Speaker 2: You're about Thanksgiving, ops, right, You're not on the field,
Speaker 2: that's right.
Speaker 1: I'm in to DevOps role your DevOps.
Speaker 2: Yeah. We're hosting at my parents' house because I'm in
Speaker 2: Los Angeles, obviously, and we are both roasting a turkey
Speaker 2: and bringing in a Chinese peaking turkey for our normal
Speaker 2: pseudo traditional to I guess our traditional is now Chinese Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: So I'll have some fried rice, we'll have some traditional sides.
Speaker 2: But we are doing a dry brine, because I do
Speaker 2: see that straight out of Pali ask Brian or Obrien,
Speaker 2: wet or dry. We're doing a dry brine, which basically
Speaker 2: means you season that sucker up twenty four hours ahead
Speaker 2: of time and just sort of leave it in the fridge,
Speaker 2: which is great because some of the water leaves the turkey,
Speaker 2: it dries out a little bit, so you get that
Speaker 2: crispy skin, but also when you give it enough time,
Speaker 2: that seasoning will penetrate tie penetrate the meat. So I
Speaker 2: think we're just doing a breast in terms of what
Speaker 2: we're roasting and then bringing in other parts from the
Speaker 2: Chinese place. But supposedly the dry brine makes a much
Speaker 2: more flavor flavorful piece of meat than a wet brin
Speaker 2: because you water log your meat sometimes with too much liquid.
Speaker 2: So that's my answer for Brian or O'Brien, wet or dry.
Speaker 2: Jackson wants to know our Thanksgiving desserts restricted to the
Speaker 2: various flavor pies of the season. The various flavor pies
Speaker 2: of the season, that's my nunciation. They're apple, pecan, pumpkin,
Speaker 2: et cetera, or can Other desserts that aren't quite so
Speaker 2: autumnal succeed alongside the pies. Maybe a blondie tie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they can succeed. I don't necessarily discriminate
Speaker 1: if a dessert isn't perfectly Thanksgiving themed. I think it's fine.
Speaker 2: Do you know what your pie lineup is?
Speaker 1: Well, mommy age is making the pumpkin pie. And not
Speaker 1: to go on too much of an aside here, but
Speaker 1: you know my stance on pumpkin pies. I'm like in,
Speaker 1: I'm in the Melkiper Junior realm of pumpkin pie.
Speaker 2: I don't know does does mel Kiper love pumpkin pie?
Speaker 1: So Melkiper Junior supposedly eats one pumpkin pie.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's right, I remember that. And you'll do pumpkin
Speaker 2: pie other days. Oh, I'll do pumpkin pie pretty much
Speaker 2: any day of the year. And I think this is
Speaker 2: something we've talked about on the show that if we
Speaker 2: had to eat one item as part of an eating contest,
Speaker 2: what would it be? What would we stand the best
Speaker 2: chance of winning? And mine would be pumpkin pie? So
Speaker 2: does your mom? And I don't hope this isn't too personal.
Speaker 2: Is she carving out the pumpkin meat out of a pumpkin?
Speaker 2: Or is she getting the Libby?
Speaker 1: No, No, she's doing it manually. Manually.
Speaker 2: That's so impressive. Libby's is really good. No no, no,
Speaker 2: that's your classic pumpkin puret and a can right. This
Speaker 2: This has all sorts of elbow grease in it. Wow,
Speaker 2: Like she is she Nutmegan, I don't know. It's the
Speaker 2: best thing in the world.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: But do you do alt pie? Well, will there be
Speaker 2: a sour cherry? Will there be a No, They'll be pie.
Speaker 1: There'll be apple, there'll be a cheese pie. There'll be
Speaker 1: a whole variety of other pies that will be here.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: I don't discriminate though, if it's not aligned with Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: all desserts are welcome.
Speaker 2: Straight up ice cream, whip cream.
Speaker 1: I go, you're a heavy ready whip on my pumpkin pie. Okay,
Speaker 1: heavy ready whip nice.
Speaker 2: Okay. I like that you have a strategy, you have
Speaker 2: an identity to your your Thanksgiving desserts. I think we're
Speaker 2: doing an apple, a home baked apple. A guest is
Speaker 2: baking that, and then I think we're going to supplement
Speaker 2: with probably a store bought uh maybe a storebot berry
Speaker 2: and a store bought pumpkin.
Speaker 1: Okay, can I read other dessert options?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Please?
Speaker 1: Can I read off? My favorite question? Just the way
Speaker 1: that Chuck constructed this question is perfect. Okay. He says,
Speaker 1: when Bama misses the playoff this year, does Clemson assume
Speaker 1: the role of team everybody wants to see lose?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: And will it impact them if it does? Without breaking
Speaker 1: his line, he just moves to the next question and
Speaker 1: thoughts on sour krat on Thanksgiving strong flavor, adds nice
Speaker 1: counter impacting you, yeah to the turkey. So where do
Speaker 1: you stand on both of these? Dan?
Speaker 2: So? I don't think Clemson on its face is as
Speaker 2: unlikable as Alabama. And that goes back to the Nick
Speaker 2: Saban thing with leaving the Dolphins. People perceive him to
Speaker 2: be scummy, and he looks grumpy, and he stockpiles five
Speaker 2: star guys and sends all these guys to the NFL
Speaker 2: and makes postseason twenty sixteen look like seventeen eighteen, nineteen, fourteen, thirteen, twelve,
Speaker 2: et cetera. But I think people do get sick of excellence,
Speaker 2: fair or not. And Clemson has reached the point that,
Speaker 2: you know, people are now perceiving them to be winning
Speaker 2: a conference that isn't all that competitive, and now they're
Speaker 2: stockpiling talent on the level of Alabama if you look
Speaker 2: at their twenty twenty class right now. So I think
Speaker 2: it all depends on how full of it you personally
Speaker 2: believe Dabbo is and the Dabo Sheen is and how
Speaker 2: he projects himself in the Clemson program. And I think
Speaker 2: it varies. I think sometimes he seems like he's kind
Speaker 2: of full of it and sometimes like this, this is
Speaker 2: just seems like who he is. So I think it
Speaker 2: is so head coach dependent based on what you perceive
Speaker 2: Dabbo to be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Lsu I think is obviously the new
Speaker 1: kid on the block in some respect here as it
Speaker 1: relates to the playoffs. So, but they haven't won anything recently, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't run that risk. Ohio State runs
Speaker 1: that risk. They've been there a lot and there are
Speaker 1: a lot of folks that can't stand Ohio State when
Speaker 1: they win. Yeah, I don't know who. I don't know
Speaker 1: who the fourth team is that sneaks in, but suffice
Speaker 1: to say it's I don't think going to be Alabama.
Speaker 1: I could be wrong about that, but like he said,
Speaker 1: if it's not Alabama, I think the next two likely
Speaker 1: contenders to kind of take over that mantle would be
Speaker 1: probably Clemson one, followed in close second by Ohio State.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think Ohio State lost a lot of its
Speaker 2: uh hate abilities to stan anybody. Yeah, with Urban Meyer,
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody has any strong negative opinions of
Speaker 2: Ryan Day. Maybe I'm wrong, It happens a whole lot.
Speaker 2: But I think that's what's keeping back right now Ohio State.
Speaker 2: You know that they look really strong, but Ryanda just
Speaker 2: seems like a guy. He just seems like, no, sorry,
Speaker 2: a really good coach, but in terms of likability dislikeability,
Speaker 2: he just seems like a guy.
Speaker 1: And a guy who may look a lot like one
Speaker 1: of the property brothers.
Speaker 2: Oh, he for sure is the fifth property brother. How many?
Speaker 2: I know there's a secret third. I don't know if
Speaker 2: there's any beyond that. So Matt wants to know. We
Speaker 2: keep hearing James Franklin's name come up for job opening,
Speaker 2: specifically USC recently. My question this is, Matt, what jobs
Speaker 2: out there are slash could be available that are actually
Speaker 2: better than Penn State? Is USC or Florida State or
Speaker 2: any number of places better jobs than Penn State. So
Speaker 2: this is a largely subjective question and answer. Tie, So
Speaker 2: you are a proud alumnus, sure we are. What are
Speaker 2: the selling points and what will Penn State never be
Speaker 2: able to achieve in terms of quote good jobbiness, good jobyness?
Speaker 2: Yeah that's English.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I mean you look at this state of
Speaker 1: play in the Big ten East and it's loaded between
Speaker 1: Michigan Ohio State and usually the dearly departed memory of
Speaker 1: Michigan State, usually miss Michigan State. Not so much the
Speaker 1: case over the last I don't know, two and a
Speaker 1: half years, but you know, usually that's a pretty loaded
Speaker 1: side of the conference. And if we try to compare
Speaker 1: conferences moving forward, that's always a bit of a fool's
Speaker 1: errand but certainly the ACC, the current state of the
Speaker 1: ACC is Clemson and nobody else. Nobody else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Wake had at least an opportunity to make some
Speaker 2: noise against the Tigers, and.
Speaker 1: No one's even really close to Clemson in the ACC.
Speaker 1: So at least from that standpoint, the Florida State job
Speaker 1: is somewhat interesting, but.
Speaker 2: As like a hypothetical in any given year, forget I mean, yes,
Speaker 2: you have to remember the competition in the conference and
Speaker 2: what the path that looked like to an impressive postseason.
Speaker 2: But recruiting, you know, infrastructure, prestige, history, ability to attract
Speaker 2: assistant coaches, sure, sure she has money, all the things
Speaker 2: that come along with quality job.
Speaker 1: I think I think it's probably easier to recruit to
Speaker 1: Florida State and USC than it is to a place
Speaker 1: like Penn State, and I think that's mostly because of geography.
Speaker 1: I think your talent is more centered around California and
Speaker 1: Florida than it is obviously central Pennsylvania. Right So from
Speaker 1: that standpoint, there may be some advantages.
Speaker 2: Seems all in in terms of administration on being a
Speaker 2: football power, which is for sure significant.
Speaker 1: For sure, you know, you get to play in a
Speaker 1: really cool place like Beaver Stadium at Penn State, which
Speaker 1: is in and of itself an attraction that certainly USC
Speaker 1: and I don't think Florida State have.
Speaker 2: I think I think beaver Stadium has a better environment,
Speaker 2: which with as much as Doak can rock in a
Speaker 2: big game, sure, and even the coliseum can seem when
Speaker 2: USC is a big player in LA and college football,
Speaker 2: beaver Stadium is there's an electricity there that I don't
Speaker 2: think those other two places can match.
Speaker 1: I just think you'd be step into situations if we
Speaker 1: use USC and Florida State as these specific examples where
Speaker 1: there are a lot of expectations right away, And I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's a better situation than at Penn State,
Speaker 1: where recruiting has finally got to a place now and
Speaker 1: the talent level is so built up that they're building
Speaker 1: towards getting to that top echelon, and I think everyone's
Speaker 1: pretty comfortable with a direction of the program. There's certainly
Speaker 1: no calls for James Franklin's head at this point. They're
Speaker 1: going to go ten to two, whereas if you go
Speaker 1: to USC, if you go to Florida State, I think
Speaker 1: there are more expectations that he can deliver early on.
Speaker 2: Can I ask you the uncomfortable question? The stigma? Is
Speaker 2: the stigma going to stay with Penn State forever?
Speaker 1: The stigma? What do you mean?
Speaker 2: The stigma of everything that happened in twenty eleven and
Speaker 2: before that. Penn State has this reputation of being a
Speaker 2: place where far too much was allowed to happen by
Speaker 2: administrator and obviously Penn State. And you know, current students,
Speaker 2: current players, current coaches have nothing to do with any
Speaker 2: of it. But the two words Penn and State are
Speaker 2: fair or not two of the dirtier what's wrong with
Speaker 2: college football words of the you know, the modern.
Speaker 1: Era, it'll it'll stay with them to some extent forever, right,
Speaker 1: And it's not fair to the current staff, It's not
Speaker 1: fair to the current players, it's not fair to most
Speaker 1: of the people, same deal, same deal. It'll be with
Speaker 1: them forever. It was a horrible thing, and.
Speaker 2: It's when it's something institutional.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's something that they have to navigate, and
Speaker 1: like it or not, it will remain for a long
Speaker 1: time a symbol of what's wrong with sports. Sure, the
Speaker 1: only thing that they can do is their part to
Speaker 1: you know, change things for the better moving forward.
Speaker 2: Also, Penn State, every every fan base has a lunatic
Speaker 2: fringe that is sure, you know, the craziest one percent
Speaker 2: of a book, there's a lunatic free that still wants
Speaker 2: Joe Paturner to come back and coach right, And I
Speaker 2: would hope that people don't define the Penn State fan
Speaker 2: base by that.
Speaker 1: They shouldn't, but this is a fringe that has made
Speaker 1: itself very public. They're very public, and they're very loud. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: I think Penn State is probably in a better position
Speaker 2: in terms of playing big games, even though they can't
Speaker 2: recruit and are not in as warm a place as
Speaker 2: USC or tala or Florida State is in tallahasse In, LA.
Speaker 2: I think Penn State is an a list job that
Speaker 2: will attract top level talent, but it does have that
Speaker 2: asterisk that is going to remain in a happier way
Speaker 2: of framing a question. Is Kyle Hamilton the best college
Speaker 2: football player of all time?
Speaker 1: Yes? Next question?
Speaker 2: Okay, moving on Notre Dame safety.
Speaker 1: Right by the way, you didn't give me your Yeah,
Speaker 1: he is the true freshman Notre Dame safety. He leads
Speaker 1: the team in interceptions so far this season. And you
Speaker 1: did not give your thoughts on Thanksgiving. Sauerkraut.
Speaker 2: Oh, Thanksgiving sauer kraut. If it's something you like and
Speaker 2: it's something you feel like people that at your table
Speaker 2: like I'm a big proponent of do your thing. You
Speaker 2: should not be cooking Thanksgiving as per what the table
Speaker 2: should look like in a Norman Rockwell painting. Do your thing.
Speaker 2: If you're a sauerkraut family, do it. If you're a
Speaker 2: turkey molay, that's that's new to the show. Molay, do
Speaker 2: your thing. Make it a Mexican Thanksgiving. If you don't
Speaker 2: like turkey and you don't think a lot of people
Speaker 2: are gonna like turkey, I don't care. Mike Burgers, make steaks,
Speaker 2: make a tofurkey. I don't know. I just do your thing.
Speaker 2: It's it's all about the people at the table and
Speaker 2: what you think everybody will will get along with liking.
Speaker 2: And if it's not turkey, it's not turkey sauerkraut, do it.
Speaker 1: Dan, Let's go to Bert here. He gives us six
Speaker 1: rivalry games on Thanksgiving weekend and he wants to know
Speaker 1: which have the best chance of ending in a colossal upset.
Speaker 2: So his word is colossal. And obviously Michigan beating Ohio
Speaker 2: State at home would not be colossal. What would be colossal,
Speaker 2: I guess, is the manner in which Michigan. If so,
Speaker 2: Michigan beats by Laho State forty two to ten points, Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: that's colossal. If A and M beats LSU, I don't know.
Speaker 2: If I colossal, comfortably colossal Iron Bowl, Auburn, comfortably colossal,
Speaker 2: Oregon State at all.
Speaker 1: Over Oregon would be colossal, I think so yeah.
Speaker 2: And I think that's probably like he has Georgia Tech
Speaker 2: Georgia here, and that would be colossal bedlam. It would
Speaker 2: be an upset, but not crazy. With what Oklahoma's done
Speaker 2: late in games or early in games recently, I think
Speaker 2: my answer is Oregon State over Oregon is the most
Speaker 2: likely ending in colossal because I think Michigan blowing out
Speaker 2: Ohio State is just it's not there for me an
Speaker 2: A and M blowing out LSU. So Oregon State with
Speaker 2: the steps they've taken forward on offense, looking as balanced
Speaker 2: as they do defensively, they're a mess. But can Jake
Speaker 2: Gluton throw now over the top of an Oregon defense
Speaker 2: that has shown itself to put corners on an island
Speaker 2: who can beat by double moves? Yeah he can do that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Isaiah Hodgens can do that.
Speaker 1: So you know, Michigan Ohio State, that would, sir, only
Speaker 1: be an upset. As you said, don't know if it
Speaker 1: rises to the level of colossal A M LSU that
Speaker 1: would stun me. That would stun me if it happened
Speaker 1: at all. So I would put it in the same
Speaker 1: vein there the Iron Bowl. If mac Jones is playing,
Speaker 1: it's not it's not not TUA, so that that's interesting
Speaker 1: to me. I would still be surprised by that. But
Speaker 1: lord knows, we've seen some you know, antics in that
Speaker 1: game over the years. So I don't know if colossal
Speaker 1: really is the word. Oklahoma State could beat Oklahoma it's
Speaker 1: it's it's in still water. I could see that happening.
Speaker 2: Chuba can run on anybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Oregon state over Oregon would be the answer here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you there. Next question. As we zoom
Speaker 2: through these, We've talked turkey, We've talked desserts, We've we
Speaker 2: talked about Texas and the situation there, and Andy asked
Speaker 2: a question about why isn't anybody talking about the back
Speaker 2: water and reference to Texas back Ah, that's a good one.
Speaker 2: That's a good one. Okay, we got a couple of these.
Speaker 2: This I know our friend Dan Klobashar and now Tim says,
Speaker 2: my parents seriously suggested quote eating out for Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's and.
Speaker 2: It's not because of any sort of crisis of people
Speaker 2: not showing up or the kitchen exploding or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Is eating out an acceptable move on Thanksgiving? And if so, where,
Speaker 2: well have you eaten out on Thanksgiving in the last
Speaker 2: few years?
Speaker 1: No? No, I have not. But okay, I don't twice.
Speaker 1: I don't have any issues with people who want to
Speaker 1: eat out on Thanksgiving. Sure, I don't. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's unacceptable. I think you got to live your best life. Dan.
Speaker 1: I think whatever makes the most sense, if you know
Speaker 1: you've got family coming in from all over. If you
Speaker 1: don't have the desire or the facilities to host whatever cause,
Speaker 1: if it's something that makes you happy, as they go
Speaker 1: for it, you're right.
Speaker 2: You are right. But so last year we didn't eat
Speaker 2: out because Jody with and I was very pregnant, and
Speaker 2: so we didn't come out to California. She just didn't
Speaker 2: want to fly. So we went out to a nice
Speaker 2: meal at a Chinese restaurant and they did their own
Speaker 2: version of Thanksgiving and that was amazing. A place called
Speaker 2: Red Farm. Highly recommend it if you're in New York.
Speaker 2: And a few years ago we went out in New
Speaker 2: Jersey because my parents didn't want to host it that year,
Speaker 2: so we went out to my uncle's place and did Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: They're not his house, but we went out with him.
Speaker 2: I I really would strongly suggest trying to making a
Speaker 2: home Thanksgiving work. I understand that people want to go
Speaker 2: out and they don't want to be able to clean
Speaker 2: up or having relatives in their house and dealing with
Speaker 2: a bunch of everything that comes with hosting Thanksgiving. I
Speaker 2: get all of that, But even if you go out,
Speaker 2: try and make a point of doing like your elaborate
Speaker 2: dessert at home.
Speaker 1: Do desserts at home? I could go with that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: do desserts. There's something just special about feeling at home,
Speaker 1: feeling comfortable with and if you do feel comfortable with
Speaker 1: your family, good for you.
Speaker 2: I just I don't know.
Speaker 1: Watch the Lions lose with close family and friends. Do
Speaker 1: what you can to at least have anne element at home.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's appetizers, maybe it's dessert, maybe it's you know,
Speaker 1: everybody gathering around and playing football or whatever. As long
Speaker 1: as there's Anne elements at a home base, do you
Speaker 1: I think that's good. Do you have like a Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: Day football game that you and the boys play Thanksgiving?
Speaker 2: I sprained an ankle one year. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 2: if we'll be doing it this year. We usually camera
Speaker 2: guy Dave's family comes over, but now they've gotten two
Speaker 2: bigs so they're not coming over, so a different family
Speaker 2: friend is coming over, and some athletes in this family.
Speaker 2: I don't know if we'll be doing it.
Speaker 1: I would really love to hear stories about Thanksgiving Day
Speaker 1: football games. Yes, among family members I am intrusts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would love to hear more about have.
Speaker 2: You played in one? No, I would love ever, I
Speaker 2: would love to, Well, your brother in law is a
Speaker 2: football player, right, My brother in law's a football player. Yeah,
Speaker 2: could you get together a four on four game with
Speaker 2: the people appearing at your Thanksgiving?
Speaker 1: I mean we could probably recruit uncle Joe cal Russo.
Speaker 2: I mean, he would play right there.
Speaker 1: I don't know what position he would play, but he's
Speaker 1: a natural darren Sprolls type. Yeah, he's ambidextrous and could
Speaker 1: throw with either hand pretty accurately. So pain in the
Speaker 1: ass in the huddle though, But otherwise I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess we could find a way.
Speaker 2: Right, what about basketball? What about just playing like Thanksgiving Horse.
Speaker 1: I've retired from basketball, you know that that's true.
Speaker 2: I guess you could play turkey on basketball. People do
Speaker 2: that this year. Play some turkey.
Speaker 1: Some nieces and nephews could probably get in on the action.
Speaker 1: But then it's a question of you know, how rough
Speaker 1: and tumble is this football game going to be?
Speaker 2: Before the last part of this show as we wind down,
Speaker 2: will you be drinking on Thanksgiving? Are you a wine person?
Speaker 2: Are you gonna be making a Thanksgiving specific like picture
Speaker 2: of cocktails? Beer?
Speaker 1: My cousin alcohol consumption and my cousin's bringing some scotch.
Speaker 2: Oh are you a scotch guy?
Speaker 1: Not really, but yeah, he seems to know a lot
Speaker 1: about it, and uh, he's going to bring some, so
Speaker 1: I'll jump in on that train. Yeah.
Speaker 2: One year I made a cocktail a picture of what
Speaker 2: was called a it's called a nor'easter, yeah, which is
Speaker 2: a bourbon maple ginger like a little bit of maple
Speaker 2: syrup and ginger ale and lime. It's very good, but
Speaker 2: it's sweet and it doesn't taste super alcoholic, and people
Speaker 2: I accidentally got people super ripped on Thanksgiving. So it
Speaker 2: was a very nice autumnal cocktail picture. So look up
Speaker 2: nor Easter.
Speaker 1: The problem with drinking on Thanksgiving is you're already full
Speaker 1: from all the food that right, it's throwing you off. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Can we go and just because we have at least
Speaker 2: disembarked for now, because we still have more two his
Speaker 2: crews laugh, we've disembarked from the Mayflower and Mayflower Monday,
Speaker 2: can we go through as just the sport in general
Speaker 2: and give some things that we are thankful for that
Speaker 2: we're either unexpected or reinforcing, or something that happened throughout
Speaker 2: the season that you have looked back on and the
Speaker 2: season is not over, but through thirteen weeks that you're like,
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm pretty thankful for this person or
Speaker 2: this happening. And you cannot just say Kyle Hamilton over
Speaker 2: and okay, some a team that got better, a quarterback
Speaker 2: that really shined, comeback win that was crazy or thankful happened,
Speaker 2: something like that. Well, give me, give me top of
Speaker 2: your head, things that you have some thankfulness for.
Speaker 1: I am thankful for a couple situations around college football.
Speaker 1: Oregon State has been fun. They improved, Probably won't make
Speaker 1: a ball unless the colossal upset happens, but it's been
Speaker 1: fun to see them kind of build.
Speaker 2: And what's your pluck? You love a good pluck factor,
Speaker 2: bottom of a confluck factor.
Speaker 1: Louisville. Louisville falls into that category as well. I'm not
Speaker 1: just reciting things from the Sunday Show, but I am
Speaker 1: really truly excited about some of these situations. One thing
Speaker 1: that we texted about that I am sneaky under the
Speaker 1: radar excited about is Jared Deeggy getting some time for
Speaker 1: West Virginia. Right, you like red shirt season, I know
Speaker 1: you do. Yeah, they're preserving that red shirt. And I've
Speaker 1: been thankful for the Keaton Slovas situation out at USC
Speaker 1: because it's been so much fun to see him thrive
Speaker 1: in that new system. I've even weirdly been thankful even
Speaker 1: though they beat Notre Dame, for the Michigan offense getting
Speaker 1: itself together, because as you might recall, Michigan was a
Speaker 1: preseason favorite of mine. I know better late than never
Speaker 1: to see them kind of come into their own now
Speaker 1: late in the year, and as it bills toward the
Speaker 1: Ohio State game, it could be interesting to see how
Speaker 1: that all unfolds. I've been thankful for he said. I
Speaker 1: can't say, Kyle Hamilton, right, No, you cannot all right,
Speaker 1: what else? What else do you got? So?
Speaker 2: Okay? As I go through the sport quickly and look
Speaker 2: around various conferences, I'm thankful for Navies resurgence because I
Speaker 2: always and actually air forces resurgence as well. I do
Speaker 2: like when you just have pain in the ass option team.
Speaker 2: So the Georgia Tech offense has gone away from the option,
Speaker 2: so I do like some dominance there, even though your
Speaker 2: anti option. I'm thankful for the weird ass story of
Speaker 2: Houston red shirting good players in preparation of hoping to
Speaker 2: get them back next year. We'll see what happens with
Speaker 2: de Eric King. I'm thankful for wake Forest being a
Speaker 2: calm and a sea of disappointment in the ACC. I'm
Speaker 2: thankful for Michael Cunningham sort of coming out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: You mentioned Louisville, so I'm gonna stick with it there.
Speaker 2: I'm thankful for Virginia Tech bouncing back. I'm thankful for
Speaker 2: Bryce Perkins having to do everything for Virginia and mostly
Speaker 2: doing it. I'm thankful we have Mac Brown back, because
Speaker 2: if North Carolina is in a close game, we're going
Speaker 2: to say this is going to end in a stupid way.
Speaker 2: We should watch this. I'm thankful for at least having
Speaker 2: the brief amount of time we had with an alert
Speaker 2: that Florida State was either up down by two to
Speaker 2: five points late, because it was I was going to
Speaker 2: be entertaining ty. I am thankful for that entertainment.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm thankful for my Gundhy growing the mullet back,
Speaker 1: and also Lovey Smith for maintaining that beautiful beard.
Speaker 2: Well he also love Smith also came through for us.
Speaker 2: Also came through for us. We make drive for six jokes,
Speaker 2: and Illinois fully drove to six. This is I am
Speaker 2: thankful for Kansas State kind of not missing a beat
Speaker 2: in year one of a coach when a lot of
Speaker 2: year one coaches in the Big twelve really struggled. I'm
Speaker 2: thankful for whatever the hell that Kansas Texas game was,
Speaker 2: and whatever the hell that Kansas Texas Tech game was.
Speaker 2: I am thankful for Indiana in a sea of Michigan State, Maryland, Rutgers, Northwestern, Nebraska,
Speaker 2: Purdue all being pretty terrible in their own ways, Indiana
Speaker 2: jumping up, Illinois jumping up and saying we're pretty good
Speaker 2: and we're getting it done. And then obviously just I
Speaker 2: could focus on Minnesota as a whole. Yeah yeah, but
Speaker 2: or Shad Bateman with the ball in the air suddenly
Speaker 2: making it seem automatic. I'm very thankful for that feeling
Speaker 2: I got.
Speaker 1: I am thankful for any and all references to Baby Gronk,
Speaker 1: whether or not it's a Pat Friarmuth or any other
Speaker 1: tight end, be it Cole Comet or someone else around
Speaker 1: college football. And I'm also thankful for Chase Claypool. When
Speaker 1: the ball is in the air.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean that's when you're at your most
Speaker 2: confident either when somebody's throwing deep on Kyle Hamilton or
Speaker 2: somebody's throwing it Ian Book is throwing it to Chase Claypool.
Speaker 2: All right right, I am thankful, Tye for every outcome
Speaker 2: being on the table with pit football. Any given week,
Speaker 2: there is an outcome that is on the table for
Speaker 2: watching a pit game elsewhere. I am. I am pretty
Speaker 2: grateful for having Notre Dame in our lives playing big games,
Speaker 2: because it brings out a side of you that just
Speaker 2: goes to the verge of madness, of madness. I'm I'm
Speaker 2: thankful that we got you mass Northwestern, Yeah, we got
Speaker 2: Northwestern is a thirty nine point favorite. That's pretty wonderful.
Speaker 2: I'm thankful for teams improving, I mean the pluckiness factor. Obviously,
Speaker 2: San Jose State is one of those. Wyoming has had
Speaker 2: a nice year. I am thankful for the weirdness that
Speaker 2: has been the Pac twelve season and the stability of
Speaker 2: excellence that is Utah. I am thankful for in the
Speaker 2: sec the Tennissance coming and happening and making us sound
Speaker 2: somewhat intelligent. It all right, otherwise, I don't know. Oh,
Speaker 2: I'm thankful for Eli Drinkwitz at app State keeping that
Speaker 2: thing going all right.
Speaker 1: I'm thankful for over bawlers. I'm thankful for their pressions,
Speaker 1: and I'm thankful that this is a little bit of
Speaker 1: a shorter show than usual here being so it's Thanksgiving week.
Speaker 1: We need time to.
Speaker 2: Get ready for Thanksgiving. We're doing shows and consecutive days.
Speaker 2: That's it's defensible.
Speaker 1: So the previous show will be out tomorrow evening around
Speaker 1: the same time. We will preview all the rivalries that
Speaker 1: are before us here on Thanksgiving weekend. And if you
Speaker 1: have it already, please to subscribe to the show. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for hopping aboard the two's cruise as
Speaker 1: a dog's barkin here in the background. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you can hear her. Oh, she's getting ready, she's
Speaker 1: getting ready for Thanksgiving, TI girl. For that guy over there,
Speaker 1: Lieutenant Captain Dan Rubinstein, for myself, you're a Captain, Tye Hildebrand.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us on this Mayflower Monday.
Speaker 1: Catch you all tomorrow. Talk some college football in the meantime,
Speaker 1: stay soffered.
Speaker 2: Peace and I'm thankful Lehigh can't get it done.
Speaker 1: Stop it stop