1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: All right, here we go Pack twelve fans, This one's 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: for you. This it's the PAC twelve Apostles and only 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: the truth lives here Pack twelve Apostles Possiles. So this 4 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: is an emergency episode of the PAC twelve Apossiles. And 5 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: if you're listening to that, you already know what about 6 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: the USC and U. C. L A have decided to 7 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: leave the Pack twelve and twenty two four and go 8 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: to the Big ten and Holy ship. Bro this is 9 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: just unreal. And I'm George actor Ralph Empstein. This is 10 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,959 Speaker 1: the Pactober Apostles. Who knows that the pactwob Apostles will 11 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: exist in a couple and a couple of weeks, a 12 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: couple of months, and a couple of years, I don't 13 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: even know, So I guess we will start with just 14 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: the actual facts. USC. Well um John Warner, who has 15 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,279 Speaker 1: been on this podcast in urous times, broke the news 16 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: that the USC trow wings and you see it like 17 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: DOS were going to be leaving the Patty for the 18 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: big time. And this is on the hills of George 19 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: Kof saying that there was no way that the Patroon 20 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: was looking for expansion or can use any teams in 21 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: the Big Twelve they had disagreed to the Why an't 22 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: you know that I came from it? And uh oh, 23 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: but just so you know, this is an emergency episode. 24 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 1: Ralph is on vacation. I am on vacation. I am 25 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: in Mexico, ralphas in where you're my my montad Wy 26 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: only southeastern Montana, the middle of nowhere. Okay. So so 27 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: this is how committed there we are to this. And 28 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: we got numerous people that, yo, are you gonna hit 29 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: us with an emergency episode? And so we are here 30 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: doing it right now. But Ralph, what was the person 31 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: that went through your mind when you saw that? Well, actually, 32 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: how did you find out? I think I think I 33 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: had gotten an alert that, uh that former Arizona State 34 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: basketball standout Lou Dort was about to get like super 35 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 1: paid right like he he had he had slipped into 36 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 1: the second round and asked everybody to to let him 37 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: go undrafted signed with the Thunder and then he's gonna 38 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 1: get like ninety million dollars um for betting on himself. 39 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: So I was just scrolled, like happily scrolling through all 40 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: the things of like, oh man, what a great story, 41 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: what a great Pack twelve story, what a great note 42 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: for the next Pack twelve Apostles podcast. And while I'm 43 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: on Twitter, I start to get tagged a million times 44 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: and then I get a text from somebody who writes 45 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: for me at Arizona Varsity and it was just like, 46 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: what the hell is going on? And by the time 47 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: I went over to the Wilner tweet, it had been 48 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: quote tweeted like hundreds of times and it had just 49 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: been a couple of minutes. And that was a horrifying 50 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: thing to read. Man, I was it felt, you know, 51 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: we're the Pack twelve Apostles, this is the Judas moment. 52 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is so I found out. I 53 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: just so happened to hop on Twitter and I saw 54 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: the Wilner and tweet. I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 55 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: And the first thing that came to my mind was 56 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 1: I knew that this was going to happen. And I 57 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: didn't explicitly say it. I had talked to it Ralph 58 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: about it previously. I was like, Yo, when Colin Coward 59 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: said something big is going to go on with U 60 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: C l A, I mean USC in the next eight 61 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: team month, I was like, it's something with this TV deal, 62 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: something something is up because he didn't say that for 63 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:44,839 Speaker 1: no reason like he he doesn't throw Greg problems out 64 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: there like that and there will be no truth to it. 65 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: Hearing like something something was was coming. And if he 66 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: said eighteen months, he really meant six months and it 67 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: turned out to be like three. So and I didn't 68 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: want to go out and lend and say that, but 69 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: I have talked to numerous people within at Mike Oregon 70 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: and Oregon and I and I told Ralph that Oregon 71 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 1: have been looking at options for the last couple of 72 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: years and all of this first thing is Larry Michael 73 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: Scott's farm. So I was saying, right now, buck Larry Scott, 74 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: he did this. This is his fault. He's a if 75 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: he were a plant from the SNC to screw up 76 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: the back to well, he would not have done anything different, 77 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: nothing else. He terrible TV deal that when we interviewed 78 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 1: George Peter, he was like, there's no problems, like there's 79 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: no way to fix it. George clear from blessed his part, 80 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: tried his best and it's and without USC and m 81 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: c LF, Oregon and Washington probably gonna fail too. If 82 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: Oregon is allowed to base upon on the state rules 83 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: in the Oregon state. Back to all the stints right back, 84 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 1: I think that you might be right. I'm like, I'm 85 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: trying to think, how do you how do you replace 86 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: the two l A schools? The actual thing that makes 87 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 1: it the pack right it's the Pacific Athletic Conference. Could 88 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: you add two more teams from California? I mean, I'm 89 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: sure you could, but they're not UFC in u C 90 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: l A. If I was any other team in the 91 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: Pack twelve right now, I'd be looking to find a 92 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: way to go. And the one team in the Pack 93 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: twelve that actually has experience doing this of like really 94 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: really upgrading is Utah And right now they're the conference 95 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: bully and and it genuinely makes me wonder if they 96 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: haven't earned a spot, you know, on the radar of 97 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: a of a conference like the Big twelve that's trying 98 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: to save you know, it's conference. But they already added people. So, 99 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: you know, are we going to bring the whack back 100 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: or is it going to be the big aid again? 101 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: You know, are we gonna are we gonna have a 102 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: radical shift? I hate that it leaves so many of 103 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 1: these teams out to dry um like Washington. You know, 104 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 1: I think Stanford would be fine. They wouldn't even hate 105 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: the idea of having to go independent. But if this 106 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: is the beginning of the end of the Pac twelve conference, 107 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: ah man and and and just forget football, think about 108 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: some of the other sports like baseball, and how much 109 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: travel would be involved for the u c l A 110 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: baseball team to be out playing schools like Perdue. They 111 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: don't care, bro, They're going to get a hundred million 112 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: dollars per year. They will travel, they will figure out travel, 113 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 1: and everybody will fly and charter planes that are regular travel. 114 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: It is how And after I was a little bit angry, 115 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: right but then honestly, like after kind of sunk in Moore, 116 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: my heart was kind of broken, to be honest, because 117 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: this was the conference that I played it. This is 118 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: the conference, like I have so much fun talking trash 119 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: to my uth USC and us l A friends about 120 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: the games, you know, And then if Oregon leaves to 121 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: for either the Big Can or the SEC like what 122 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: the left like, it's just gross. It is gross. And 123 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: I'm a person who embraces change a little bit and 124 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: knows that it's in limitable. I don't like this enough, 125 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: I feel like that, and I understand the USC, and 126 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: you said, I went to they get the man because 127 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: it makes sense, right, It makes all the sense in 128 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: the world, because if they're trying to win and compete, 129 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: why would you not chase the money Because, especially being 130 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: at the PAC twelve, don't have a lot of options 131 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: with the TV con contract. And I knew something else's 132 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: face because the Big tim was supposed I had to 133 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: announced their new TV contract already with the Fox or 134 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: whoever the new partners are going to be. But now, 135 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: and remember CBS is losing the uh, CBS is going 136 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: to the the cn in So now I'm sitting here 137 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: and thinking, oh my god, they're negotiating this and there's 138 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: gonna be no room left on television for the PAC 139 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: twelve because the SEC is probably I mean, the Big 140 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: ten now with U, C, l A and USC is 141 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: gonna take up all the Fox you did and they 142 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: might get a Game of the Week on CBS two. 143 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 1: So like this could be an absolute freeze out of 144 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: the pack trow So how can any of the other 145 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: teams be willing to stay when they have no when 146 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: the TV revenue is what drives it. I mean, Cal 147 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: and Stanford they may just be relegated to you know, 148 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: the Olympic Sports, and you know, their academic prowess, while 149 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: anybody who wants to win is going to be trying 150 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: to make a move. And I think that Oregon has 151 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: the brand, they have the catchet, they could explore going independent, 152 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: where they could explore going you know, moving to the 153 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: Big ten or maybe the sec of their embody. And 154 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: then Washington, Washington has catchet because they have this the 155 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: Seattle market, the pretty good foot football, softball, there's so 156 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: they're goodness in the Olympic Sports as well. And I mean, 157 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,599 Speaker 1: I would just hate to see like Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Colorado, 158 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: Oregon State, Washington State, you know, Cal, Stanford all have 159 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 1: to move to like the Big twelve and then everything 160 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: is destroyed. Though, yeah, I feel you. I'm I'm trying 161 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 1: to figure out what worst case scenario is or what 162 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: the path forward is for you know, because you and 163 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: I had talked about like, oh, some of these teams 164 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 1: might have to join the Mountain West, But do you 165 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: really think those Mountain West schools want Oregon State baseball, softball, 166 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: and women's basketball to join the conference. And then immediately 167 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: just erase the opportunity for any of the teams that 168 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: have been in the Mountain West for years to even 169 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: be competitive in those sports. I don't think they do. 170 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: They the Mountain West might like the idea of bringing 171 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: in maybe in Arizona or Washington State or some schools 172 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 1: that might kind of fit culturally UM or you know, 173 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: or or within the UM you know, the coverage area 174 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: of the conference that might fit in nice. The school 175 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: that I'm very curious about right now outside of outside 176 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: of Washington because I think their market makes them attractive 177 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: for poaching, is what's going to happen to Arizona State? 178 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 1: Who's you know, who's athletic director and presidents support Larry 179 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:08,719 Speaker 1: Scott very well led the entire conference to being in 180 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: this position. I've seen a lot of people say, like, yeah, 181 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,719 Speaker 1: Larry Scott's an easy mark here, But it was the 182 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: president's that refused to make a change that led him 183 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: New York sweet talk them into participating and hanging on 184 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 1: through all of these bad deals. When two idiots like 185 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: you and me, uh, it was painfully obvious and for 186 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: years on this podcast we outlined what would be ultimately 187 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: the death of the conference that we love, and so 188 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,839 Speaker 1: you know, I wonder what's going to happen to a 189 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 1: school that didn't did that, that was the leader in 190 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 1: not having the foresight two um, you know, to to 191 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: help get this conference on the right track. I feel 192 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: really bad for Colorado which came over in for Utah 193 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: which rose up, and then the second that they reached prominence, 194 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: uh in football and have been competitive in many other sports. 195 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: They're they're the meaningfulness of them coming to not necessarily dominance, 196 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: but prominence in relation to the l A schools. It's 197 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: completely discounted by the l A schools, you know, tucking 198 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: their tail and running away. And it's funny to say like, oh, 199 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: that's scared of Utah, But the real truth is any 200 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: school worth their weight would look at the fact that 201 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: a Big ten contract is paying them fifty you know, 202 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: paying a produce fifty million more than U C. L 203 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: A gets every single year and saying I absolutely deserve 204 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: more than what I'm getting. I don't fault the schools 205 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: that are looking to leave. I fault the conference as 206 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,719 Speaker 1: a whole. Um. I hesitate to put a lot of 207 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 1: this on George Cleofco. Though you can't put any of 208 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:54,719 Speaker 1: this a presidency would not fire. Larry Scott, what do 209 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: you think of what do you think of the idea 210 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 1: that cleof COF should have known better that the the 211 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: hand Shake Alliance deal was complete bullshit. I don't think 212 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,839 Speaker 1: he thought it was bullshit, and I don't think it was. 213 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: I think that that once these TV negotiations started and 214 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 1: the Big Ten was like WHOA and foxman to the 215 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: Big Ten and it's like, hey, yo, if you can 216 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 1: get the USC, U c l A, you know, we 217 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 1: might be able to update dollar somebody. I think that 218 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: it came from a network level, and that's why you 219 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 1: saw the Pack twelve actually inside it by this the 220 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 1: same way that you saw Oklahoma and Texas blindside the 221 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: Big Twelve. It was one of those it was obvious 222 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: because of because of the money situation, and that the 223 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: Pack twelve and that I think that that shows that 224 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: the Pack twelve maybe didn't have as many options coming 225 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:00,599 Speaker 1: up for TV money as people thought, because that the 226 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 1: Pax world was going to have the proper TV money. 227 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 1: USC and U sail like don't leave the pros. Fox 228 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 1: Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. 229 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 1: Catch all of our shows at Fox Sports Radio dot 230 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: com and within the I Heart Radio app search f 231 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: s R to listen live. How much do you feel 232 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: like Chip Kelly and Lincoln Riley were let in on 233 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: this process? Because Oklahoma fans are under the impression that 234 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley didn't want to go conference topping and that's 235 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: why he decided to go live at the beach instead 236 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: of a Norman which ps I just drove through Oklahoma 237 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: for the first time, I have further confirmation that Lincoln Riley, 238 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: uh probably knew what he was doing. Yes, Okay, So 239 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: the PAXs Wolves submitted the statement today. While we are 240 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: extremely surprised and disappointed by the news coming out of 241 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: U C, l A and USC today, we have a 242 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: long story history and athletics, academics, and leadership in supporting 243 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: student athletes that we're confident will continue to thrive and 244 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: grow in the future. The facts will at home for 245 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: many of the world's best universities athletic programs. Alumna representing 246 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: one of the most dynatic regions in the United States, 247 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: We've long been known as a competence of champions, and 248 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: we're unwavering in our commitment to extend that title. We 249 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: will continue to develop new and innovative programs that directly 250 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: benefit our member institutions. We will look forward to partnering 251 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: with current and potential members to pioneer the future of 252 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: college athletics together. Wow, that sounds like they believe none 253 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: of those words and it's just a really sad way 254 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: to go out. Correct you you had you had a 255 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: relationship with the most dynamic creature yea, not with the 256 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: l A schools defecting named one of their school in 257 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: this book. Rent. That was in a conference that wasn't 258 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: necessarily representative of the region. It didn't exist until right now, 259 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: like you, Utah and Colorado being as far from the 260 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: coast as they are joining to make it the fact, Well, 261 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: you know that that showed conference strength that you were 262 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: adding from from what was kind of outside of your footprint, 263 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: which is be considered more the Mountain West or or 264 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: Plains region um footprint. You know you were adding teams. 265 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: Now you're losing the literal cornerstone, the thing that puts 266 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: the Pacific in Pacific twelve, the reason that you can 267 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: give yourself, but you give yourself the nickname George Conference 268 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: of Champions. You know how you got the nickname Conference 269 00:16:50,720 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: of Champions freaking u C l A basketball and USC football, right, bro? 270 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: Like this is going to impact recruiting in a major way, 271 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: a major major way, though I don't. I don't. We 272 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: already lose all our players. How is it going to 273 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: make it even different than it is now? Because where 274 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 1: is Arizona's main recruiting bay California They're supposed to be yeah, yeah, 275 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: and the transfer portal Arizona State. Yeah so is Oregon. 276 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 1: Well recusing that, Madson, but they do get a lot 277 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: of kids. What is what you're saying is are you 278 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: saying that kids that, yeah, the elite kids leave, but 279 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 1: are you saying that there's gonna be like three star 280 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: kids who should be at Arizona going to Purdue because 281 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: they know they're going to get to play against l 282 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: A schools at Purdue. Yea, Yeah, they're going to go 283 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: and they they won't if they go to Oregon State 284 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 1: or Utah. They won't get to go play in l A. Yep. 285 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: That's horrifying. Yeah, And that's why if you're Oregon, the 286 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: Big Ten is the move for you or the SEC 287 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: If you're like, you know what the worst part is George, 288 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: m U c l A and USC are still going 289 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: to have some West coast kickoff times, which means the 290 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: Pac twelve is going to have to compete for television 291 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: eyeballs against their own regent form yep, exactly. So now 292 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: so now, obviously for football it's not that big because 293 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: you fly far sometimes, but USC and you said they're 294 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: gonna have to fly extremely fall for for road balls, right, 295 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 1: I mean they can have road games in the same 296 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 1: season against like Ruggers, Wisconsin and in safe. Mean, that's 297 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: a lot of tram that's a lot of farm tracking, 298 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: which which likes the conversation with Texas to the SEC 299 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: means that you've actually put some hurdles in your way 300 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 1: because you were chasing the money. Oh think think about 301 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: what this needs for U c l A basketball. When 302 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 1: when they'll go to Purdue in Indiana and then back 303 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: to l A to play in Michigan and Michigan State 304 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: and then turn around and have to fly and play 305 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: Wisconsin in Minnesota, to to to fly back home to 306 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: play Ruggers and you know, Ruggers in Maryland, then to 307 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: fly back out too to go playing against you know, 308 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 1: he State and whoever else in like, that's a lot 309 00:19:55,760 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: of travel, a lot of travel, and that sitting. So 310 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: like this was about point. Okay, so let's get into 311 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 1: what happens to the rest of the team. I don't 312 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: think that the Whack is a move because there's no 313 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: money there, because that the other schools have to be 314 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: trying to find some money at this I think the 315 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: only money is the Big Twelve. But how crazy is this? 316 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: Just eleven months ago, the Big Twelve it was knocking 317 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: at the back twelve doorset like, please take us, please 318 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: take us, because Texas and Oklahoma are leaving, Please take us? 319 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: And what the back to us? Not fam We're good? 320 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: How bad? How bad do we? How bad do we 321 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: look now for not expanding because then the contraction could 322 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: keep you around the twelve teams? But now, oh now 323 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: they have to worry about attracting teams that they might 324 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: not have been interested in the first place. No, you can't. 325 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: We're at a San Diego state, Houston and boys the 326 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: state have no like, you haven't gotten one reasonable TV 327 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: market out of that except for us. Okay, so I 328 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: don't know where the money is, right, that's just the 329 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: hard part about us. Where did the hell do you 330 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: find the money because I don't know where you're finding about. 331 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: That's a great question. But I can tell you that 332 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: like the athletic directors that I trust to go out 333 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 1: and try to find the best deals for themselves at 334 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: this point in time are probably at Oregon State and 335 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: Washington and Arizona. I think that those three schools actually 336 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: have the stones to to make a move. I just 337 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: don't know if there's a move to be made at 338 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: this point, you know. Yeah, so so we talked about 339 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 1: the impact on Recree will be in the three four 340 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: star kids out of um So Calm. But now like 341 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: now the now, these schools have to play and now 342 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: USC and U l A So USC is going all in, right, 343 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: we cannot say that they've gone all of them. Lincoln 344 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: Riley and we went to the big tam. They are 345 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: committed to it. Now. You said, they got a new 346 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: athletic rector, German a year or two ago and he said, 347 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: we will win in football. And he came from Ohio's 348 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: he said, we will do whatever, we will win in 349 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: football and they are going to to go over there 350 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: and play. So now the impact of the football, right, 351 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: because when we look at Texas and Oklahoma going to 352 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: the s SEC. Texas is gonna struggle because Texas are 353 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: struggling in the Big twelve. But how the hell are 354 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: they're going to compete in the Big tax? I mean, 355 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: sin see, Now, how do you think USC in U 356 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: c l A in two years compete in the Big Ten? 357 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: I think that the class of the class of the 358 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: Big Ten has been Ohio State for such a long 359 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: time then it I don't necessarily trust either team to 360 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: go in and make an impact on that. And I 361 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: think that you you have a team in Wisconsin that 362 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: if if Utah has been playing bully with Oregon in 363 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: U c l A and in USC as of late, 364 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: what do you think Wisconsin is gonna do? You're gonna 365 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: have to adapt your style two Big Ten football. Yeah, 366 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: there's a couple of schools in the Big Ten that 367 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: like to air it out. But are you going to 368 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: put what are you gonna put what USC has in 369 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: the trenches right now up against the Wisconsin or in Iowa. 370 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,479 Speaker 1: They're gonna die out there. You are right about that, bro. 371 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: Damn Yeah. If USC it's going to get beat up 372 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 1: by or being who are grow ups, it's only going 373 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: to get worse right, and they get a vacation. They 374 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: get a vacation from week to week. In the Pack 375 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: twelve from physical play, there's always been a lot of 376 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: innovative offensive football and the Pack twelve, which means as 377 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: a coach, you always have to be well prepared and 378 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: you always have to be on your toes. But you've 379 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: never gone up against bullies week after week after week 380 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: like in the in the Big Ten. And and well, 381 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: I think I could stack the Pack twelve up against 382 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: the Big Ten. I have a lot of faith in 383 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 1: the Pack twelve. I do know that Pack twelve teams 384 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: aren't built to take the punishment every single week. They're 385 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 1: built to be versatile and adjust and adjust the different styles. 386 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: So I think that's probably gonna take some time. If 387 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: you don't have the personnel to go up against a 388 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 1: bunch of six ft seven pound offensive lineman uh at 389 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: Iowa and then do the exact same thing against Wisconsin 390 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: the very next week, that's gonna be a tough adjustment. 391 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: And where are they going to get those recruits because 392 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 1: right now, size doesn't necessarily exist in huge quantities on 393 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: the West Coast, which is why some of these teams 394 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: have had to play later and leaner. Does this mean 395 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: that USC is going to be recruiting the you know 396 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: out in Kentucky and in Virginia and Indiana and Wisconsin. 397 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: That's a legitimate question though. Damn, that's a cool question. Now, 398 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,719 Speaker 1: which school indeed to get better points? Because I mean, 399 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: with the way Chip plays, I think that they are 400 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: because they actually we'll run the football and all of that. 401 00:25:53,480 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: But at the same time, Ohio does it without that? Yeah, 402 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I think USC is in 403 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 1: a better spot just because they have a lot more 404 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: internal support. But I think that U c l A 405 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: Is going to have a huge advantage in sports maybe 406 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: that aren't football, because it's gonna be it's gonna be 407 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: tough to you know, to go out and play against 408 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: U c l A baseball. It's gonna be tough to 409 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: go out and play against u c l A basketball. 410 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: And I know USC has been good lately too, And 411 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: I just mean, it just keeps hitting me in waves 412 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 1: of how annoying it is that we're not going to 413 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: have an end of year Pac twelve basketball tournament with 414 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: both l A schools. So I'm wondering, because I'm gonna 415 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: ask Rob Molons way did he? I mean, because because 416 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: I'm goingsly they know at some point in time prior 417 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: to the public, right, but what is this a day? 418 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: Is this two days, eight hours or four hours? Like? 419 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: How long before Wilderness did they know? That's a great question. 420 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: Another question that I have is is the Alliance dead? 421 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: Is it completely dead? Because it's been broken at a 422 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: level that shows that it it has no meaning? So 423 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: is it completely dead? Between the conferences? Yeah? Yeah. But 424 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: the one thing right now that I know USC and 425 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: U c l A Fans have to be really excited 426 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 1: about is a move like this means that you can 427 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 1: financially retain elite coaches, which is something the Pact twelve 428 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: has had a ton of trouble doing. You know, you 429 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: look at losing guys like mel Tucker and that type 430 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: of stuff isn't going to happen in any sport to 431 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 1: anybody that leaves the Pack twelve for that extra fifty 432 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 1: million dollar plus a year paid. I just got a 433 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: text right now that it's pretty much done deal and 434 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: we'll be announced by the end of the week that 435 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 1: Oregon and Washington we will be doing the big So 436 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: we will we will see if that's true. Or not. 437 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 1: But I just got that text. If you have to 438 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: replace four teams, is it even worth it? And those sports? 439 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: What are you left with? How do you know TeV 440 00:28:50,400 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: without Oregon, Washington, U, C, l A, and USC. Uh. Yeah, 441 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. Gosh, the Mountain West is about to 442 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: be sixteen eighteen teams. They're killing our podcast. This is 443 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: the worst. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk 444 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at 445 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio dot com and within the I Heart 446 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: Radio app search f s R to listen live. Okay, 447 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: so now let's go to the um so the podcast 448 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: car of this now, yeah, now you're your Arizona State guy, right, 449 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: So like, well let's just talk legistical. Now, what do 450 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: we do if Oregon and before you goes to the pectelo, 451 00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: I mean he goes through the big tip and Arizona 452 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: say goes to the bat. What what what do we 453 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: do with this podcast? Because obviously we care about the 454 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: rest of my contextual because we talked about all the 455 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: teams in the conference. But what do we do if 456 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: if they're split up? I mean, do do we go 457 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,479 Speaker 1: straight college football and focus on like like what are 458 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: where are os? And do we are we gonna go 459 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: live with bomb or Dad or two Christmas is or 460 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: how how are we breaking up the family? Exactly? So 461 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: you guys eight nine three seven three five seven. That's 462 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: going around triggering from that right now? So, um, what 463 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: do you guys from? You guys tell us here on 464 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: the back to over possils. What do you guys want 465 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: us to do? If? If? If that's the case, and 466 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: our phone number kids, just in case you were wondering 467 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: Une seventy five four or seven guys in Texas or 468 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: you got to shoot this an email eight one eight 469 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: three two four. I'm sorry, huh, I'm mad at Unafraid 470 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: show dot com. Okay, so, and we got a text 471 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: today and it's a usc U c l A them 472 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: from They were not here as a founding member. I 473 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: wish they changed their names too, so so calcan Planet's 474 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: rifle named as the University of California. This is definitely surprising, 475 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: the gig a tradition, the story game, and amazing rivalry. 476 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: I do believe this will bipe them in the button. 477 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: We are on the verge of super problems, years away 478 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,719 Speaker 1: but closer than we've been. We will acquire more teams 479 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: expect to the were more additions. I truly hope until 480 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: they leave and after both schools get destroyed and humulated, 481 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: maybe they do well. At the bottom of the back 482 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: f u as Man that the whole day of world, 483 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: this is very territory, well as of today, George. As 484 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: if today, if you have to replace the four teams 485 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: and and and, you would assume that they would probably 486 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: keep it regional, and they would probably look to promote 487 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: teams that are in group of five conferences? Who are 488 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: you going with? Assuming you have to bring four teams 489 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: in to survive as a conference? I try to get 490 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: you big, I beg Houston, even though he says on 491 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: the way to the big towll so is so is 492 00:32:54,400 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: who are you? Yeah? And San Diego State and Lazy State? 493 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: But I mean, do you actually get anything for that? Yeah, 494 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: that's a great question. I would take Boise State based 495 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: on track record. I would take San Diego State in 496 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: UNLV based on market potential, and then um as A 497 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: as a fourth team. Who knows, maybe maybe Grand Canyon 498 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: University with their sixty online student based can start a 499 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: football program. Because if Grand Canyon starts a football team, 500 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: then maybe that they might be worth having being part 501 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: of the actual Phoenix market. But like I can't, I 502 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,479 Speaker 1: honestly can't think of a fourth team that would actually 503 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: maybe Texas Tech if you if you're stretching all the 504 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: way out into into Lobbock, But I really don't see 505 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: anybody else that moves the needle unless you're gonna try 506 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: to promote Service Academy values in the Pack twelve and 507 00:33:55,000 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: at air Force or something. Oh yeah, and what what 508 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: a waste of Willard tweeted tweeted this about what a 509 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: waste of a strategy that it that it was to say, oh, 510 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna own our own rights and it'll all be fine. 511 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: How many times in this podcast and we said that 512 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: if we wait till four that it won't be fine. 513 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: But George Michael Crowe three years ago said if you 514 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 1: just wait three years and surprised to who the Pack 515 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: twelve is ahead of, And that was of course in 516 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:39,439 Speaker 1: reference to keeping Larry Scott on his conference commissioner. Yeah, 517 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 1: who if we had gotten Honestly, if we had gotten 518 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: rid of Larry Scott, even with the bad TV deals 519 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: like they're there are ways out, like there are always 520 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: ways out, people. I mean, you could have shut it 521 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: down by the bankruptcy, like threatened all sorts of stuff, 522 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: like to get out, you should have done whatever you 523 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: needed to do to get out anything like I mean, 524 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: even even if it required anthytl A like that was 525 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: what you needed to do. But how much of this, 526 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: like the packtel of offices are remote now like like 527 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: this is like this is a systematic by selling off 528 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 1: the goods, for selling off the parts for for months. Yeah, 529 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,240 Speaker 1: I think that the I think the l A schools 530 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 1: had one foot out the door when um, when you 531 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: had Texas and Oklahoma make the move that they did. 532 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: And I think that that that one foot out the 533 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: door just happened to not be the first foot, because 534 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 1: the other one really might have well as gone first. 535 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,280 Speaker 1: When the first time the numbers were announced that another 536 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: conference was getting thirty million more annually than you were, 537 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: I think that became the time you start to look around, 538 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: and then other schools actually trailblaze and lead the way it. 539 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: Clavkoff may have never had it. This might have been 540 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: in motion before he was ever sought out to replace 541 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,800 Speaker 1: Larry Scott. And so that's why I don't want to 542 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: put too much on him. But the amount of pressure 543 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: that's on him at this point to figure out a 544 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 1: way to keep what was he supposed to do? I 545 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. But there's the job a 546 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: year ago today, one year ago today, and in that 547 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: and on the day basically got the job, the college 548 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: football expansion in a starter right right, transferred literally at 549 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: the same damn time. And now you're dealing with this bro' 550 00:36:54,680 --> 00:37:00,359 Speaker 1: like the violent Scott of coaching me of commission. Took 551 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,800 Speaker 1: a job and it turned out it was the worst 552 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:08,399 Speaker 1: job in the world, and you can't live it. Yeah, 553 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: I wish him the best. I'm really curious to see 554 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: what happened moving forward, and I'm willing to give I'm 555 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 1: willing to give the Pack twelve a shot. But um, 556 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I'm just kind of 557 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 1: I It might sound silly to sports podcast or whatever, 558 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 1: but I'm in morning. I loved this conference, the way 559 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 1: that it was constructed. Oh my god, my my heart 560 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: is broken. I got there's no other way to say. 561 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: I was sad all day. I was think about this. 562 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: I was I haven't been paying attention sports because I've 563 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,760 Speaker 1: been off all of them. I'm in a beautiful house 564 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:49,360 Speaker 1: in Mexico. I was on a on a boat today fishing, 565 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 1: swimming in the ocean, and I with my family, and 566 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 1: all I could think about was this. And my wife 567 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: was like, Georgian, you okay. I was like, no, I'm not. 568 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: He was like, I understand that. I don't. I don't understand, 569 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,800 Speaker 1: but I don't see. It was broken up about some 570 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 1: right it He need explained it. Um, is there the 571 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 1: angle that we're missing before we pop off that we 572 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 1: need to bring? I think you you. We hit on recruiting. 573 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: We hit on the fact that this is going to 574 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 1: create a television rivalry for the l A schools with 575 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: the remaining back twelve. We we hit on what might 576 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 1: happen with with with Oregon, um and and Washington. Um, 577 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not sure what there is outside of 578 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 1: you know, touching based on some of the other sports. Um, 579 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm not sure. I do wonder, I do wonder. 580 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,279 Speaker 1: My only other question is is George Kleavkoff in his 581 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: mind saying that, okay, any school across the entire country 582 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,880 Speaker 1: is at play because the Pacific and Pacific twelve doesn't 583 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: necessarily mean anything anymore, Like does that mean that like 584 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,440 Speaker 1: chasing Indiana's on the table or something like that. Like 585 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 1: not that not that a Big ten school would give 586 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 1: up the money that they have to go to the 587 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,880 Speaker 1: Pack twelve, But it really makes me wonder if everything's 588 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: on the table, what does everything include with would the 589 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,359 Speaker 1: pack twelve be so bold is to try to poach 590 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 1: somebody maybe like a Vanderbilt or something like that that 591 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 1: isn't having a ton of success in in the major sports, 592 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,480 Speaker 1: you know, as as part of the sec Like would 593 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 1: they try to bring them over? Like what what type 594 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 1: of tricks does George Klavkov have up his sleeve? Or 595 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: is this just you know the first life rapid this 596 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: point to right, Oh my, what if he announced that 597 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,400 Speaker 1: he got like some what if he announced he was 598 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 1: joining the liv Golf Tour or something? So think about this. 599 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 1: Larry sat made fifty dollars though we should follow clients 600 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:21,319 Speaker 1: action lawsuit he gets them for ruining our profits. Yeah, 601 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,799 Speaker 1: make make Michael Crowe have to hit the witness stand 602 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 1: again in defense in a class action lawsuit. Put Michael 603 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 1: Crow on the stand because I would love, I would 604 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 1: love for Michael Crowe just to be cross examined about 605 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: about the support that he lent in this process that 606 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 1: led to Larry Scott being in trenched in the way 607 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:46,400 Speaker 1: that he was despite everyone, even the low least of media, 608 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,400 Speaker 1: seeing that the iceberg was coming. It would be like 609 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 1: it's like the Titanic, only everyone on the entire Titanic 610 00:40:55,680 --> 00:41:02,719 Speaker 1: saw the iceberg except for the captain. Dude, what are 611 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,840 Speaker 1: we gonna do it? Back to immediate day, bro, this 612 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 1: will be exciting, especially if you know that four teams 613 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:17,800 Speaker 1: are do do It's so bad that you build fans 614 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 1: are tweeting at Oregon like, for once, we have to 615 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 1: put our differences aside, work together and follow suit. Please 616 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 1: do do what's necessary. Kindest regards. Wow, man, I'm so bummed. 617 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,399 Speaker 1: I just don't know. I just don't know what to say. 618 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 1: We'll see, We'll see what happens in the next couple 619 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,720 Speaker 1: of weeks is another you know, if any other shoes dropped. 620 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 1: But I'm very curious to see how Chip Kelly, how 621 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 1: George Cleef and Chip Kelly and Lincoln Riley face these 622 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 1: questions that they're going to be getting next month when 623 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,880 Speaker 1: when pat to Media Day goes down, because it's going 624 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,719 Speaker 1: to be one of the more awkward media sessions that 625 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 1: that we've ever seen, because at these packed to a 626 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:13,239 Speaker 1: media days, the media is l a media anyway. Yeah, 627 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:15,840 Speaker 1: so you think they're gonna keep having packed to a 628 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 1: media day on Hollywood and Island when U c l 629 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:25,360 Speaker 1: A and USC aren't even part move with the Vegas 630 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:31,919 Speaker 1: Yeah what a what about this organ and Notre Dame 631 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 1: to the Big Ten because you're Notre Dame with that 632 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 1: type of money, are you now? And synimize? Maybe maybe 633 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 1: the thing about Notre Dame is they their fan base 634 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 1: is gonna go with them wherever wherever they're at, So 635 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:54,120 Speaker 1: they don't necessarily need the Big Ten. They're just in 636 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:55,759 Speaker 1: a position to be able to weigh the pros and 637 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 1: cons every time it comes up. I don't think Oregan 638 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 1: is in a position to turn down an extra fifty 639 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,360 Speaker 1: million a year from anyone. Neither is anybody else in 640 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,719 Speaker 1: the conference. So the more I think about it, the 641 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,000 Speaker 1: more it was just a matter of time. But it 642 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:18,400 Speaker 1: just stinks that that that we finally reached that point. Okay, 643 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:24,840 Speaker 1: so Oregon's president Michael shield Um, they're spokeswoman, They responded 644 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:30,000 Speaker 1: to a request for Comma about to see about USC 645 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,120 Speaker 1: and U c l all moved to move to the 646 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,560 Speaker 1: big Tent and if he's been in touch with Kevin 647 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,880 Speaker 1: Warren or anyone else at the big team for Oregon 648 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 1: to do the say, here's the quote, nothing to add 649 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:52,560 Speaker 1: at this point. That's not promising. What does that sound 650 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,360 Speaker 1: like to you? Nothing to add at this point? I 651 00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 1: mean you'll you'll know what I know, which is in 652 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:09,200 Speaker 1: five four mm hmm. All right, man, I got I 653 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,560 Speaker 1: gotta tap out. I gotta go and do some depression 654 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:16,040 Speaker 1: meditation or something to to for some some yogurt, some 655 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:20,239 Speaker 1: some Pack twelve lifestyle. We thing to get the bad 656 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 1: energy off of the two of the cornerstone schools ditch 657 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,319 Speaker 1: in in the conference. Yeah, you guys, I'm Doge, Rice 658 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,240 Speaker 1: the he's Ralph and this is the Pack twelve of Posses. 659 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:37,240 Speaker 1: We will be back in the next week. We don't 660 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 1: have a choice. Is getting closer? So um yeah, So 661 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,120 Speaker 1: this is a college football podcast at this point, I 662 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,560 Speaker 1: guess I don't know, So goodbye.