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Speaker 1: we will talk to Don McClean. He sings bye bye

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Speaker 1: Ms American Pie, draw a Chevy to the levee, but

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Speaker 1: the levee was dry. Come on the Larry he was

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Speaker 1: singing by by this American Pie. Chevy to leven was dry.

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Speaker 1: Didn't you want to hear Bob do that song? Bye bye,

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Speaker 1: Mr American Hi, drow my chevy to the levee and

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Speaker 1: it wasn't dry. I talked to Don McClean coming up.

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Speaker 1: He is a he's a sassy old man. I like

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Speaker 1: him because I know what I'm gonna get from him.

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Speaker 1: But he's definitely as he wants you to know more

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Speaker 1: than just American Pie. But we were talking to him

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Speaker 1: because it's the fifty at the anniversary of the song

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Speaker 1: Mark Pie. The day the music died was actually in

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Speaker 1: the sixties, right sixties, Yes, that he wrote that was

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Speaker 1: what he wrote about. But the song came out in

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Speaker 1: seventy or fifty years out. Um so, But that's on

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Speaker 1: the way. We'll talk to Scuba Steve, who is my

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Speaker 1: executive radio producer, who I just I am slowly finding

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Speaker 1: more and more out about him, such more to put

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Speaker 1: him in here talk to him. Eddie will be here

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Speaker 1: to go to interview with Scooba Steve. Maybe you guess

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Speaker 1: can know him a little better. Maybe I'll get to

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Speaker 1: know him a little better. I mean I know him

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Speaker 1: a little bit, but he moved here in the pandemic

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Speaker 1: all I were hanging out a bunch. We see each

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Speaker 1: other at work and I walk in and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: all right, what's playing? Got it? Here's what I'm doing?

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Speaker 1: Got it? All right? Go in every second. There's rarely

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Speaker 1: to go home, because I do feel like I'm extremely

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Speaker 1: efficient with time. Even if I have a minute in twenty,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a minute commercial in that minute in twenty.

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Speaker 1: So we're not just hanging around chumming it up. But

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Speaker 1: I do like Scooba Steve. He's come up with my basketball.

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Speaker 1: Before we'll talk to him him. We'll also do Eddie

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Speaker 1: and I'll talk about the day that the music died

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Speaker 1: as a kind of Eddie and Bobby's music school. As always,

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Speaker 1: we'll get to Tuesday's Top five songs. No No, No No.

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Speaker 1: As always, the New Music Top Five at number five,

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Speaker 1: this week's songs I'm most excited about. Temecular Road has

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Speaker 1: a new song out called Everything. I Love Everything At

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Speaker 1: number four. Brook Eden, who I like a lot. Who's

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Speaker 1: a great singer, who came out and opened some shows

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Speaker 1: for me and the infancy of my comedy days. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's when I first started to tour comedy. She came

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Speaker 1: out and did some shows. She's fantastic. It's our first

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Speaker 1: song in four years. It's called No Shade. Here's a clip.

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Speaker 1: Who Fives have a new album not called Medicine at Midnight.

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Speaker 1: It's their tenth full length studio album. It feature is

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Speaker 1: the number one shame, Shame, Shame. And here's a new

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Speaker 1: song called No Son of Mine. Our guy Matt Stell

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Speaker 1: has a new song out called that Ain't Me No More.

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Speaker 1: Who's a clip of that Songbody's gotta in their shirt,

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to This week. Dan and Shay have

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Speaker 1: Go Say Hi. I'm just so bad. Albums out this weekend,

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Speaker 1: Well the weekend. It's a new compilation the web, their station,

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Speaker 1: Nancy Sinatra, What do you know, Nancy Sinatra from Frank Sinatra.

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Speaker 1: number one called something stupid signature hit. You got scared

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Speaker 1: there for a second. Well, I just feel like I'm

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Speaker 1: wrong a lot so when I am, at least like

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Speaker 1: Morgan wall In situation. No, I didn't hear about it.

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Speaker 1: We'll move on from that one. Uh. T J Osborne,

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Speaker 1: and country music same day those stories. Well, the Morgan

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Speaker 1: Because I've known t J for a while. I've known

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Speaker 1: But I just want the people that I know, they're

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Speaker 1: Time Magazine, I did not know they. I just saw

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Speaker 1: feel so happy for him. Over to the Morrigan Wallent

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Speaker 1: So hopefully he gets better. The weekend is staying in

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl perform Rodeo Houston has been canceled last year.

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Speaker 1: this cancel it all the way through Stagecoach canceled. No

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Speaker 1: new dates have been announced. I think this has a

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Speaker 1: concert crawls. Maybe they'll schedule some stuff earlier on weekends,

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Speaker 1: Scuba Steve. It's Eddie, Scuba and myself. And for a while,

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Speaker 1: ever hung out with Scuba? No? Not outside of work,

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Your Christmas party? What last last year? Oh? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: be a few songs to play while I'm on the air, Yeah,

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00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 1: but I don't care like I like the music format.

422
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 1: I picked to be in with country because I felt

423
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,199
Speaker 1: like that was the livestock group I can most relate to.

424
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 1: But if they were like, hey, come to Polka, you'll

425
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 1: never hear the song. We're just gonna put some polk on,

426
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 1: I'll be like, great, let's go. As long as I

427
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:15,679
Speaker 1: can be me, I'm fine. So you were working with

428
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 1: DJs who talked up music songs, yes, and that was

429
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 1: your goal, and that was what they were trying to

430
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 1: teach us was how to do that okay, and how

431
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 1: to record basically the basics of radio. Do you still

432
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 1: have that hit? Might get a song up? Let's Scooba

433
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 1: can hit a post from Connecticut School Broadcasting. All right

434
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:31,880
Speaker 1: here he is. Hold on, let' let's give me a second.

435
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 1: You know what hitting a post is, right? Yeah, we

436
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 1: we hit it right for the vocals come in. Mike

437
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,680
Speaker 1: has given you the hardest song. That's like a thirty

438
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 1: seven second intro. You can tell your whole background. Is

439
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 1: that what you want to do? All right? Go and

440
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 1: three two one. So when I hear the song, it

441
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 1: reminds me of my father and we used to hang

442
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: out by the pool lot and he would be hey, son,

443
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: grabbed me that beer over there, So I grabbed the beer.

444
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,200
Speaker 1: He's like that screw driver next to you. Take that too,

445
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 1: all right, I'm the count of three. I want you

446
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: to pop the bottom. So I popped the bottom, throw

447
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 1: it to him. He'd drink it as fast as he can,

448
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 1: and he's shotgun it. And that was the first time

449
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 1: I learned how to shotgun a beer at the age

450
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 1: of nine. Yeah, and then, by the way, we have

451
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 1: some tickets to give away in ten minutes. It was

452
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: right out of time. What I really have to say.

453
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 1: I get that a solid sea plus though, and you

454
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: came in raw. Yeah you still you hit the post.

455
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 1: You had to rush it a little bit. Story story.

456
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 1: I like that. Good. Good. So you learned how to

457
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 1: do that? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, who did you meet? What person?

458
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,719
Speaker 1: I met a guy named Alex who was the who

459
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 1: eventually got me into the building at Clear Channel in Orlando, Florida.

460
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: Was he on the air? He was the morning show

461
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 1: producer for the morning show at XL. Is he still

462
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 1: producing there? He is not. He got cut No. Nine

463
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 1: when they had all those massive cuts, So he's not

464
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: in radio anymore. He's in radio, but he's doing smaller

465
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,719
Speaker 1: roles within Orlando. Okay, so you're now in the building.

466
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: What do you do at XL in Orlando? So at

467
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: first I was an intern, so I had to use

468
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: that CSB that I had as my paperwork for going

469
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: to school? Did you graduate? I left before graduation, which

470
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 1: really pissed them off because they didn't they didn't get

471
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: credit for me getting this internship. There's a lot of

472
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: a lot of because they they basically the whole goal

473
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: was to get somebody in there and then get credit

474
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: to say, hey, x y Z went to the school

475
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 1: and look at them now, and they were really piste

476
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 1: that I left before graduation, didn't fulfill the curriculum because

477
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't need this. I met this guy,

478
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: He's gonna get me in. I got an internship, see

479
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 1: you later. This is what I needed. Huh. So they

480
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 1: want you in so they can say look what we

481
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: did and get more money from the next person. Yes,

482
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 1: so they can get through and say look what we did,

483
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: and to keep that going, keep that bio on the

484
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: website of like, these are all our people that go

485
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: that went to the school, and here they are. Now

486
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: are you on the website? Now? Now they hate me.

487
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 1: They want nothing to do with me. You. So you're

488
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 1: an intern, and you have you have to have some

489
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 1: way to prove that you're in school when you're an intern. Yes,

490
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 1: I need for Connecticut School of Broadcasting. Yes, okay, I

491
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: used that. Michael Brian was my p D who was

492
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: the p D at the local local affiliate Nashville when

493
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: I moved here. Yeah, he was the PDS. My first

494
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: run into him, and I was the intern there at

495
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 1: XL and I did that for about a good four

496
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: or five months, kind of played the sixth man on

497
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: the show that all the behind the scenes. Was it

498
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 1: crazy to be on the air though, even even though

499
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: you weren't getting paid, Like, was your life a little different?

500
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 1: Because people started think you were kind of famous. When

501
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: I'd go downtown to Orlando as an intern, you go

502
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: to the club and they would go, oh, it's Scuba

503
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 1: Steve from the Johnny JA Morning Show. And it was

504
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 1: the coolest thing for me because I was in my

505
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: hometown and I was a small local celebrity. So for me,

506
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,719
Speaker 1: I got a lot of cloud with my friends, free drinks,

507
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: free entrances the clubs. So well, let me mention Scooba

508
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 1: Steven because it sounds like that was already your name. Yes, yeah,

509
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: as an intern, they named you Scooba Steve. Yeah, birth

510
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 1: named Stephen and then Big Daddy was a popular movie

511
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: at the time, and they just named Scooba Steve and

512
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 1: I just rolled with it. Ever been scuba diving? Never?

513
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: Never in my life? You have an interest? No, My

514
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: my wife's father passed scuba diving. So I have no

515
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: interest in scooba diving. What's your wife's father died while

516
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: scuba diving. Yeah, on they were on some vacation that

517
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: and she was a kid and he went scuba diving.

518
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: And I've just had fear. I've had a fear of

519
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: it in general. But when she told me that, I

520
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: was like, I'm definitely not scuba diving ever. The irony

521
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: for her and not think about this. And by the way, lovely, Yeah,

522
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: I think your wife is a lovely Thank you. She's

523
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: got this dad. He goes scuba diving, unfortunately passes away. Well,

524
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: it's time for her to live our life now as

525
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: an adult, she meets a guy his name is scuba

526
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 1: and has to think about that every day. Everything was

527
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: manifested in some weird way. Wow, that would be like

528
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: your grandpa getting hit by a train. You meant named

529
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: cho McGee, Like, I'm gonna marry you too, man. It

530
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: was a very weird coincidence. Okay, So you're interning there.

531
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: When does it turn into a real job? And what's

532
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 1: the real job? So I'm interning there. They do all

533
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: those massive cuts in two thousand nine, and I was

534
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: one of those. That was because I got brought on

535
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: part time for a little bit after the internship. They

536
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: cut me because they cut all part timers. But then

537
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 1: I met a guy my way out and named Rick Everett.

538
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: He's the PD at the rock station there, and he's like, hey, look, man,

539
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: just hang tight, I got something for you in the works.

540
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: You know, we'll get something on the books for you

541
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: in the next couple of months. So I kind of

542
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: just I took his word. I waited a couple of

543
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: months he had been back. During that two months, I

544
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: was applying at every radio station across the country from

545
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 1: Canada down to Mexico. Were you also doing a job though,

546
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: to make rent? No, that's when I was living with

547
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: my ex wife who was paying rent, who was paying

548
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: rent and paying for everything, And we found out on

549
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: the radio show cheated on him and he found on

550
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 1: Ashley Madison go listen to the Bobby Cast. No, go

551
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: listen to the bibone show on Thursday. That was when

552
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 1: that was y man, I feel bad about that one. No,

553
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's not at all great story though.

554
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: I can't believe he's Scuba Steve. I want to dropped

555
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: that when I met your wife, I would have been

556
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: like stunning Steve, our spatula, Steve. I just wanted to

557
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: stay with scuba Steve when your wife's dad died scuba diving. Yeah, yeah,

558
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: she was. I guess she was fine with it. She

559
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: doesn't have a problem. So have you ever asked her that? Um,

560
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 1: she's funny with it. I've never really brought it up.

561
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it was mentioned to me that that happened,

562
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 1: and oh my god. Yeah, I don't know, man, I

563
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: think that's probably something you need to change. Does she

564
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: ever call you scuba? Never know? I'm just I'm just

565
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: is she comfortable with you're talking about that? Yeah? Totally.

566
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: So I think the people on the radio show would

567
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: be blown away at that story, and not in like

568
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: a funny way. But then, you know, isn't it ironic?

569
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 1: Could I bring that up on the show next week?

570
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 1: It's fine, Yeah, I don't want to. I don't want

571
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: your wife to be upset. No, it's been a long time.

572
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: Her father passed when she was twelve, so it's also

573
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: been a very very long unbelievable Yeah. Wow, Okay, So

574
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: you're working part time at the rock station. Is that

575
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: they hired on to do so then he brings you

576
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: back and then that's what it is. It's two things.

577
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: One he needs help launching a sports station. So that

578
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: was pretty much my main priority was to help get

579
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: the station launched, run it, do everything for production, run

580
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: the board for all the shows, get that off the ground,

581
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: and also help out at the rock station, which my

582
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: goal was, Oh, I want to be on this rock

583
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: station in some capacity. And then I also started working

584
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: for Johnny again on the morning show. So I was

585
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: doing morning show from about four until about one, and

586
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: then one over to the sports station, did that to

587
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: the afternoon, did the rock station in the evening, went home,

588
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: and did all over again for seven days a week.

589
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: And I'm not even gonna go wow because I did

590
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: the same crap because she just got to I think

591
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: it's great, but you know, I'm not gonna be like, Damn,

592
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: I can't believe you did that. Didn't too? Yeah, you

593
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: have to do it. We've all done that crap. Waddy

594
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: hasn't he kind of got brought in. Uh So you

595
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: were working with Johnny, was it Johnny and Jade? Jade? Yeah, Jade,

596
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: I think you know who she is. I know Jade

597
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: pretty well. She now she lives in Nashville now and

598
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: works for Apple Music. Yeah, and but I know Jade

599
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: through a couple of different things. But yeah, so Jade

600
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: and I are were you guys cool? Yeah? Very cool? Yeah,

601
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: we still talked to this day. Well I like her. Yeah,

602
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: if he didn't great. Yeah. When she was here in

603
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: town a year ago before she took the gig, we

604
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: went lunch and everything. So she was one of the

605
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: hosts while you were what position? She was the co

606
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: host when I was intern, but then also became a

607
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: person on the show up our time personality and producer?

608
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: You were you a producer on that show? Yes? What

609
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: did you produce? So? I was the associate producer? So

610
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: I would do kind of like what Abby does? Screen calls,

611
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: edit audio, get some audio on the streets, put together

612
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: you know, one sheets, all that basic stuff. Okay, so

613
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: you're doing that for how long? I did that for

614
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: about about a year year and a half. And then

615
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: are you going I gotta get out of here and

616
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: go somewhere bigger or did you kind of get pushed off?

617
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: I wanted a full time position, and they dangled that

618
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: care for years. You know, we eventually full time. I

619
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: was working seven days a week but only logging twenty

620
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: nine hours um. And I was fine with that. Like

621
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: you said, you have to you have to grind, and

622
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: I'm totally cool with that. And then I got to

623
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: a point where I wasn't going to get that full

624
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: time position anytime soon. My ex wife at the time

625
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: got the opportunity to move to San Francisco, and I

626
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: knew nothing about it. I just knew it was a

627
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: bigger city, was California. It's an opportunity. Let's do it.

628
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: So I quit my job. And before I quit my job,

629
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: I remember the moment where we were driving. We had

630
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: the U haul packed the car ready to go, everything

631
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: to hit the road, and I went back to the

632
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: Clear Channel building before my email expired, and I emailed

633
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: all the pds in San Francisco and the operations manager

634
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: and said, hey, this is me resume. I'm heading that way.

635
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: Even if we can just have a conversation, coffee whatever, UM,

636
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: I have no job. I'm willing to do whatever you need,

637
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: I'll do it. And then I got some responses in

638
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: the drive to San Francisco, and then we apologiate for

639
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: a second. What's the question you wanta ask him? I'm good.

640
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: I'm listening. I wanted blue and green. Thank you. There

641
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: you go. You don't have any like side questions. This

642
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: is a good story relief. I'm good. Okay, left out

643
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: of it. You made fun of my first question. I'm

644
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: scarred by that. You're driving. You get emails back, emails

645
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: back saying hey, when you come to town, hit me up.

646
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: I would love to talk to you. By the way,

647
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: there almost isn't a further drive. Oh, it's super far

648
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: because you're going from the bottom right basically to the

649
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: upper left. I mean you could have gone to Seattle.

650
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: I guess I'd have been further, but Seattle Portland. But

651
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: other than that, that's about as far as you can go. Yeah.

652
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: I'm in with the car with somebody that I sort

653
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: of hate at the time. So it was a fun

654
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: three to four day drive. We mean sort of. Hey,

655
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: because you weren't divorcing then, no, but we were our

656
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: relationship was sort of on that verge of things weren't

657
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: going right and you still thought you wanted to move

658
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: with the or even though things weren't going right. Yeah,

659
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: because I saw this as an opportunity to change me

660
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: as a person and take me out of my hometown,

661
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: which is I love Orlando, but I wanted to grow

662
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: and for me to grow, I have to go somewhere.

663
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: So so what were the emails saying as you were driving?

664
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: They were just basically just like, Hey, when you get

665
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: to town, hit us up. And I responded, say, no problem,

666
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: I'll be there in this date. Let's lock in a

667
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: date when I get to town. And and then that happened.

668
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: I talked to three different people. One of them was

669
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: Cat Collins, who's a p D over there uh At Wilde,

670
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: who was like the top forty station in San Francisco.

671
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: H Andrew Jeffreys was another one. He was just a

672
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: p D at the time for Star like a hot

673
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: a C. And then Don Parker, who is the operations manager,

674
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: and they're all like, hey, we don't have any gigs

675
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: the moment, but we'd love for you to come in

676
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: and just just, you know, just talk. I talked to

677
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: Cat for like two hours, just talking about radio and

678
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: life and the move, and everyone seemed to be pretty

679
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: interested in me taking the chance of quit my job

680
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: and moving out here with this girl and hopes that

681
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: things just happen to work out. And what job did

682
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: you get eventually. So eventually Andrew Jeffreyes was like, hey, man,

683
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: I got something for you. Um it's not a morning

684
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: show producer or anything that you were looking for, but

685
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: it's an end of the building and if you get

686
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: in and as you know, that's you know, that's the ticket.

687
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: You just want to get into the building, get that email,

688
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: get that key card. And so he's like, hey, I

689
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: have a producer position where you basically take the Seacrest

690
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: show in the local end and you localize it, inserted

691
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: into the system and watched the board, which is kind

692
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: of funny because later in life and I'm working for

693
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: secrets doing the opposite sending the stuff exactly. Yeah, So

694
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: how long did you do that? So? I did that

695
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: for about three to four months, and then there was

696
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: a morning show opportunity with a guy named Don blue

697
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: Uh at Star one O one three, and I became

698
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: his morning show producer from that, and then from that

699
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: did that for about a good two years. And then

700
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: the in the building was the JV show. He used

701
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: to do this show called The Doghouse, and him and

702
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: Rico needed a executive producer because they were gonna start

703
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: taking on affiliates and they just had they didn't have

704
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: any organization within their show, and they needed someone to

705
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: kind of help that out and in the day and

706
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: do all the day to day stuff. So I went

707
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: on did that and that was a wild ride for

708
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: a good three three or four years. What it um

709
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 1: the fact that those personalities I've ever met them before,

710
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: order them. Um. J V is a great guy, but

711
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,439
Speaker 1: he's from that old school radio era of I'm gonna

712
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: piss you off to the absolute brink and watch you

713
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: break for content. So he would like push my buttons

714
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: and push my buttons and push my buttons and just

715
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 1: wreck me. I mean literally ripped the flesh off my skin,

716
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 1: not literally, not literally, but figuredively to get a reaction

717
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: out of me for whatever was going on. Like basically

718
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: I was the butt of every joke for everything, no

719
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: matter how hard I worked or did whatever, which at

720
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: the moment, I was like, gott I hate this guy.

721
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: This is so ridiculous, But it made me who I

722
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: am today, gave me the thick skin and gave me

723
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: the tools to take it on to the next level. Ever,

724
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: getting an off air screaming match with him on air

725
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: and off air, but in the off air those extremely

726
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: intense on air you can at least a little bit

727
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: ago that's for the show, like I turned it up

728
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 1: for the show. Sure you ever getting an off air screaming? Well,

729
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: the problem to a lot of our offer screen matches.

730
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: He'd press recording the box crow and they would turn

731
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: into an on air match without even realizing or he

732
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: or flipped the mics on. Like I cursed in the

733
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: air three or four times, said the F word, the

734
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: S word, not knowing it. But just because I didn't

735
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: know I was, we were alive on the radio, he

736
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: flip it on and all of a sudden, I'll be

737
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 1: telling to go f himself and uh. And then there

738
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: it was. Why did that relationship end? That ended because

739
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: of money and the dying need to come to l

740
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 1: A at some point. So you weren't getting paid enough

741
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: for what you were doing? Oh not at all. No,

742
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: Now you've established yourself as a producer. But are you going,

743
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: I'm a talent, Why am I producing? Or are you

744
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: like dang this producing is? Who knew where it's at? Well,

745
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: I was thinking it was a combination of both, because

746
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: then when I went to as I was leaving in

747
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: San Francisco, I made relationships in the all format, uh,

748
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: and I was like, look, I want to track. Can

749
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: I do some tracking the side to kind of have

750
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: my own creative thing. That's why I tracked like Stockton,

751
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: Bakersfield small markets outside what shifts? Uh? Mid day? Well,

752
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: first it was filling shifts, and then when I got

753
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: to the Seacrest Show, then I was full time midday

754
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: on a all station. So I would basically wake up

755
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: super early in the morning track that midday shift and

756
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: then go over to my desk at the secret studio

757
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: and do my job there. Did you know fun fact

758
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: pop up videos poop that when we were doing this show, Uh,

759
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: it really started to gain some steam. Probably had about

760
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: a hundred affiliates. Eddie and I were also doing afternoons

761
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: on a rock station under fake names, and we never

762
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: said it. Really Yeah, it was pretty cool. I was

763
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: like a Mexican dude had like a bad accent. Really

764
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: is mr their bones? Yes, yes, it was me and

765
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: at the time my assistant and Eddie and it was

766
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: Slappy the Wonder Boy in Zeus and Eddie would was

767
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: Slappy the Wonder Boy, and Cruz was Zeus and Eddie

768
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: was Chico. Yeah, that is so, and we did it

769
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: forever and we were just doing it. We're just going

770
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: to my office for there's a studio and out in

771
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: thirty five minutes. We were yeah while doing the Bobby

772
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: Bones show. Yeah, oh yeah, we just did after the

773
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: shift we walk in and we thought it was hilarious

774
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: and we would play this is a good one. I

775
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: like this one, it's the one. This one was really good.

776
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: Your Chico. Oh yeah, yeah, I like boo, that's pretty rad.

777
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: That's really cool. So we did that for a while.

778
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: Just can pop up videos over. Um, so you want

779
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: to go to l A. Do you have a job first? No?

780
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: So I quit that job as well. Um. And at

781
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: that point I was with my wife, I want to

782
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: say current wife, but my forever wife, my my soul mate,

783
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: and she had seen what this job had done to me,

784
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: the hours that I put into it, versus the compensation

785
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: I was receiving and the way I was being treated.

786
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: She's like, look, I support you. You want to go

787
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: to l A. I'll stay here in San Francisco with

788
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: my family. And she had a good job in the

789
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: city paid really really well. It's like, look, you go

790
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: ahead and go and if it works out, I'll come

791
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: down there and meet you. If it doesn't work out,

792
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: then at least come back here and we'll figure it out.

793
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: So I moved down to l A. And within a

794
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: few days I had a connection and I got a

795
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: job by Dr Phil Show where I was running and

796
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: doing p a work um and that. While I was

797
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: doing that, I got a phone call from my guy

798
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: named Denis Clark, who I met in San Francisco, and

799
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: he's like, Hey, I know you're in l A. I

800
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 1: heard you left. He goes, uh, he goes, sit tight,

801
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 1: I got something for you. Do you ever meet Dr Phil? Yeah,

802
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: a couple of times. Yeah, thumbs up, thumbs down, thumbs

803
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: in the middle, good and bad. I mean, I always

804
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: hate to say about people because you just never know

805
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: their mood that day. And he always seemed like he's

806
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: very busy and his goal was to get in and

807
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: get out. So I can't really say I didn't like

808
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: the guy. I just can say that he was just there.

809
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: You're not saying you dislike him, but you are saying

810
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 1: you didn't like him. Yeah, it was it wasn't different

811
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, he seemed like he was just trying

812
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: to get do his job and go home. It sounds

813
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: like you didn't have a lot of time to get

814
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 1: to know him that too. Yeah, just what it got

815
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 1: to know. But he was living up in a Barrely

816
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: Hills mansion, like we had a different lifestyle. I was

817
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 1: a runner and he was the host of the show.

818
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: So Dennis Clark, who I know as well, hits you

819
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: up instead is we got a job for you. What's

820
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: the job? And then as the supervising producer for Seacrest

821
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: National Show, and I was like, holy crap, this is

822
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: really cool. I'll entertain this. So it started off and

823
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: I built onto. It was basically it was very bare minimum.

824
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: You basically took the local show and you had a

825
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 1: team of editors and a writer and stripped it down

826
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: road pickups approved the edits and they shipped it out

827
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: and then dealt with some affiliates. Very basic, very easy,

828
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: good paying job. It was much It was much better

829
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 1: than Dr Phil show and working in San Francisco, So yeah,

830
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 1: it was fine. It wasn't the greatest, but it definitely

831
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: paid much better, So I was cool with it. Would

832
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: you say you were thriving or just starting to do

833
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: better than surviving? Um, I would say starting to do

834
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: better than surviving expensive. That's the thing too. If if

835
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: I made the salary anywhere else, I'd be great, But

836
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: in l A. It was very expensive with rent and

837
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: just the cost of living was really high. Drugs, drugs, Yeah,

838
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: Hooker's process. So you are working with Ryan. Did our

839
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: paths ever cross before you came here? There was a

840
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: couple of times. There was I think one time when

841
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: you were doing down but I didn't know you. So

842
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: there was one time you came by. I recognized you

843
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: because they're like, oh, it's Bobby, and I was like, oh,

844
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: it's Bobby, And then I googled and figured it out

845
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: and uh, you were what was it? What was I

846
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: doing working in the building? Well, you were, I think

847
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: in the building tracking or doing something because you were

848
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: doing Dance with the Stars, I believe. And you came

849
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: over and I think you're looking for Tanya Um, which

850
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: that's a funny story too about their producer Um. And

851
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: you were you came to the black Glass room looking

852
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: for somebody, and I guess that we were tracking and recording,

853
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: and so you like waved and left. But I knew

854
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: that there was a moment on that show that we

855
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: were trying to connect Tanya with you. That wasn't that

856
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna happen. Yeah, it wasn't gonna happen. But but

857
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 1: they but she was trying to and they were trying

858
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: to not saying you reached out for it or anything,

859
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: but they were trying to make it happen. But and

860
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: I was gonna put it on the National Show and

861
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: the local producer, who I think has a crush on her,

862
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: he got really but hurt about it, and he was like,

863
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: I take that off. We're not airing that, And I said,

864
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: f him. So I put on the National Show anyways,

865
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: because him and I didn't get along. We butt heads

866
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: a little bit. Interesting. Yeah, So that was our first

867
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: run in first run, in the second run in was

868
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: it was actually right before I took this job, very

869
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: very close to it. We're at a hotel. I was

870
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: at the bar, and um, it's this hotel that's in

871
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: Hollywood at the corner of right near the mall, you know,

872
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: the what's that big mall, Beverly Hills Mall. Whatever. Anyway,

873
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: there's a hotel cross street from the mall. And we

874
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 1: were over at that. We were at the bar, and

875
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: when I was in the interviewing process. Before I had

876
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: actually even got to you or anyone. It was just

877
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: kind of behind the scenes of I may make this move.

878
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: I said, the bar with some friends and um, and

879
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: you were sitting in another area, just chilling by yourself,

880
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: and to look over and they're like and then my

881
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: friend John Maniel was like, hey, it's Bobby. And I

882
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: was like, look over, oh, because that's a weird coincidence.

883
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, you should go and say

884
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: hid And I was like, now I'm not gonna I'm

885
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: not gonna say anything, and he goes all right, and

886
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: then we end up walking sort of together toward the

887
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: elevator to go up, and you win another elevator. I

888
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: went another. All that happened, you didn't even say hello.

889
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 1: I didn't say anything because I was like, didn't know,

890
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: you can lose it, just stay hi. But I didn't know.

891
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: I was by myself, just chilling somewhere by yourself. And

892
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 1: then I think I think it was maybe Jessica at

893
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: some point came over, Uh my system, your system, yeah exactly, yeah,

894
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 1: and she came over and and did something and you

895
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: like went away, Uh, yeah, I'm chilling at a hotel

896
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 1: by yourself weirdo, Scooba. Steve didn't even say hi. Well

897
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: I wanted to when I felt weird. I'm by myself

898
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: all the time, but not not as much anymore. But pretty, Caitlin,

899
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: they're just chilling on your phone. You give me a

900
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 1: look like who the hell is this guy? And I'm

901
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: just kidding. I'll probably get you look like, please a friend, anybody,

902
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: anybody be my friend. Actually, you had that thing, and

903
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: I had this like gut feeling you probably just happened

904
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: all you before we were sitting there. You want to

905
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: say hi to somebody, could be anybody of any capacity,

906
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: and you just have this feeling you should say it,

907
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: and you should say it, and you don't say it,

908
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: and I just almost like threw up and I was like,

909
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do this. I'm just gonna leave it.

910
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: So I didn't know Scooba, but he was recommended by

911
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: a couple of different people that I trust, and I

912
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: was like, okay, great, So Scooba flies in. We interview

913
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: was fantastic interview, like three or four people that all

914
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 1: were highly recommended, And because I had always just hired

915
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: people that I knew or trained, and I was like man.

916
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: For me to grow, I need somebody that knows things

917
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: other than what I know, because I only know what

918
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: I figured out myself. And so offered to Scuba. He

919
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: was like, I need more money. But also on the

920
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: on the quiet side, I was like, Scooba just telling

921
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,720
Speaker 1: me you need more money. I was like, don't don't

922
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: take the first deal, like hold out because I knew

923
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 1: we were going to get him, but I also wanted

924
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: him to squeeze him for as much as he could get.

925
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: But was he available or how No, but that was

926
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 1: a whole other thing. He wasn't. He was working with Ryan,

927
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:33,959
Speaker 1: and so I reached out to Ryan and was like, hey,

928
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: I would love to talk to Scuba, but Ryan's team

929
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: loves Scuba so much they didn't really want to get

930
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: rid of Scuba. And so there was this whole month

931
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: or so. I was like, I'd like to have Scuba

932
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: and they were like, we don't want you to have Scuba.

933
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: And finally I was like, it would mean a lot

934
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: to me because I want to elevate him. This will

935
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: be literally the biggest position. Finally, Ryan call was like, Okay,

936
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 1: you can have Scooba, but it's a little type for

937
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: a bit. It was. Yeah, it was almost a good

938
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:57,919
Speaker 1: month and a half, two months going back and forth,

939
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: and I had to wait for Ryan because Ryan was

940
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: on vacation of the moment, and then when he came back,

941
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: and then we eventually had to have the conversation over

942
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: the phone, which wasn't what I wanted. I want to

943
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 1: talk to him face to face because I have a

944
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: lot of respect from him, and he really helped me

945
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: out with my career at that moment and did a

946
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: lot for me and I learned a lot from him.

947
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: It was pretty cool to work with Ryan seacrest Um.

948
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: And we had that weird conversation on the phone where

949
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: I kept cutting out and I would say something, go,

950
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: What's that? I had all planned out, like bullet points

951
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: of what I wanted to say, and I had to

952
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: keep saying it over and over and over, and eventually

953
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 1: I was like, God, he's not gonna get what I'm

954
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: trying to say. But at the end he kind of

955
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 1: understood what He's also what I'm trying to hear. He

956
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: is that you want to grow, You're looking to move

957
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 1: your family to a different location and increase your pay.

958
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, he goes, I'm totally cool with that.

959
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: I hate to see you go. I love you, you

960
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: work hard, You're one of the best employees on my team.

961
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: But if this is what you want, I give you

962
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: my blessing. And I was like, perfect, coolest what I

963
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: was looking for was his blessing. And then he called me.

964
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, fine, you know, I was like,

965
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: thank thank you. Yeah. So I moved over um and

966
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: here you are. Now, how do you feel a year?

967
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: And this last year has been weird though, so it's

968
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: kind of hard to It hasn't been extremely normal, but

969
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: it hasn't been for anyone. But you've almost put your

970
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 1: entire existence here abnormal it has been it's if the

971
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: abnormal has become normal. It's been weird because you come

972
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: to the city and it's a fun, cool city to

973
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: go out and do things and check things out, and

974
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: you really can't. And my wife, we have a kid,

975
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: and she was pregnant throughout this pandemic, and so I

976
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 1: was also very paranoid about going anywhere and seeing anything.

977
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: And you meet labels and people and everyone's wearing a mask,

978
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 1: so you don't know what anyone looks like. You meet

979
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: him six seven times. It's been a really weird year,

980
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: but it's been a cool year and it's helped me

981
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: grow a lot as a person and as an employee.

982
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 1: So it's been weird, but it's been cool and I'm

983
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: down with it. Another kid, get two kids now? Yeah? Um,

984
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: And you talked about Dr Phil, I talked about Ryan

985
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: Secret What about me? Thumbs up? Thumbs down? Now you're

986
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: great your thumbs up. What's the hardest part of executive

987
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: producing my show? About me? What's the hardest part about me?

988
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: About you personally? About me as a talent? Like what's

989
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: the what are you constantly like, oh my god, I

990
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: don't know how I'm gonna get this or get him

991
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 1: to do this, or like, what is the the thing

992
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 1: that you go to your wife and complain the most

993
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: about me? Well, I don't complain to her because this

994
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: is the one job I will say I haven't complained

995
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: about anything because I finally found a position where I

996
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: feel like, Okay, this is like you talked about, It's

997
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,919
Speaker 1: a great position, it's a growing position. It's a show

998
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: that's thriving. There are a lot of people when I

999
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: got this job, like damn, dude, you got the position,

1000
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: Like that's the show to be on because that show

1001
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: is growing and the company believes in it. And I've

1002
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: noticed that through my conference calls and meetings. This is

1003
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: the show the company is backing and believes them, which

1004
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: is great. So I made the right decision. I think.

1005
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: One thing, Um, and it's also my problem too, is

1006
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: because you're someone who has done a lot of it yourself,

1007
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: and because you've you know, you've even told me we

1008
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: had meetings before in the past, like, hey man, there

1009
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: was one time I had seven commerses and I was

1010
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: running this and doing this whole thing and figuring out

1011
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: everything on my own. You have. It's that kind of

1012
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: personality where you're like, look, this is me, this is

1013
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: my baby. It's tough to let go. But you even

1014
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: preface it when I had the interview, like, hey, look man,

1015
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 1: this is a group of people that we've been together

1016
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: for a long time. This is it's gonna be tough

1017
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: to jump in. Somebody knew everyone's been together for ten

1018
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: plus years. You know, you're the new guy. You got

1019
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: to kind of find your way in, and I found

1020
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: my way, and I feel like with pretty much every buddy, Um,

1021
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: I would say everyone, Yeah, except for Mike. Mike doesn't

1022
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: seem really like it doesn't. Yeah, it's okay though, Um,

1023
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 1: so it's been the control that yeah, me going, I

1024
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 1: still need control, yes, and I but I but I'm

1025
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: also a personal understands that because I'm also the exact

1026
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: same personality type. So if I didn't have that type

1027
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: of personality, I'd be like, man, what the hell do

1028
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: why does he just give me a little more control?

1029
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: But I understand that, And I also understand this is

1030
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: a long term game and it's a building the relationship

1031
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: and getting you to trust to me, which I feel

1032
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: like that has grown over this last year of gaining

1033
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: some sort of trust and also just letting you know, like, hey, look,

1034
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: I would never crap on the show. I would never

1035
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: ruin it. I would never do anything that would jeopardize

1036
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: you or this show. So I hope that over this

1037
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: next few years that we continue to grow and build

1038
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: on that so you can get more trust to me.

1039
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,959
Speaker 1: And I understand that. I get that. I'm totally fine

1040
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: with that. I do feel I've got a little better

1041
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: at it, though you have a little bit, yeah, yeah,

1042
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: a little bit. In the beginning, it was I was like, damn,

1043
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: I pitched ideas or things or say stuff for even

1044
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: just like little things like within the show content, and

1045
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, all right, and I would beat myself

1046
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: down on like I get it. This is show, this

1047
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: is your show. It's got your name on it. I

1048
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: respect that a hunter and ten percent um. So I

1049
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: just for me, it's it's a it's a it's a

1050
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 1: process to to kind of just get you to really

1051
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: trust me to where we can have that relationship to

1052
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: where all right, cooy, you got it, this is your thing.

1053
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: I want to do like Maddie the Morning Mike and

1054
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: just walking and everything's done. Yeah, I think I want that,

1055
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: But then I can never do you can't do that.

1056
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: It's tough. And I understand that maybe it'd be cool.

1057
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: There are a lot of personalities that have that where

1058
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: they walk in and there's a stack of papers and

1059
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: it's all organized from top of show dan to show

1060
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: and they literally look at it, read it and just

1061
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: go from one to the next, one to the next.

1062
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: But then those shows don't have the life that this

1063
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: show has. So I've also come to understanding that that's

1064
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: okay that it is in that way, because this show

1065
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: wouldn't be where it is if if you weren't more

1066
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: in control of it because this is your brand, this

1067
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: is your product, and I feel like the way we

1068
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: do it is is actually it's okay and it's fine,

1069
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: and it works. That's better than okay and fine, you

1070
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I mean it is a mediocre.

1071
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: It's fair, you know, milk toast, it's pretty good. It's

1072
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 1: pretty good. Well, okay. On the opposite, what's the best thing,

1073
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: the best thing? Um? I would say that this show,

1074
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: it has been inclusive and they have invited me in

1075
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: and not on the personal level like teach me to shotgun, Eddie,

1076
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: but I don't hang out, but at work, I would

1077
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: say this team has been more inviting and more welcoming

1078
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: and more open to me coming onto the show being

1079
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: the guy that's the newest of this show, and that's

1080
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: been the coolest. And everyone has been accepting of me

1081
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: and and has allowed me to come in and work

1082
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: with me and work well with me, which has been cool.

1083
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: We're gonna end this on one Eddie question. Okay, Eddie,

1084
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: what's the one question that you'd like to ask Cooper Steve.

1085
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: It's Friday night, you got nothing to do? What are

1086
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: you ordering to eat? And what are you gonna watch

1087
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 1: on TV? Wow? Okay, he starts to cry. All that

1088
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: other stuff doesn't do anything. Now he starts to get emotional.

1089
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: My mom wants um, but if I'm in this city,

1090
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm eating. But if I'm eating

1091
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: in a city that has my food that I want,

1092
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: I'm eating at Little Taiocha and Vanys, California. What is that?

1093
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: What is that? It's Thai food, Um, Thai food Vanuys, California.

1094
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: They got this amazing orange chicken. They got this pork,

1095
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: this fried pork belly with buck choi and Chinese broccoli

1096
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: dipped in this like amazing black sauce. I don't know

1097
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: what it is. That's some sort of like soy sauce

1098
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: mixed with Hoiston sauce. A couple of other things. Uh

1099
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 1: they're hot drops soup. Uh they're Vietnamese coffee or tea,

1100
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 1: whatever it is. And probably watching I would say Law

1101
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:41,240
Speaker 1: and Order, um, Special Victims Unit or Criminal Intent. Brothers, sisters.

1102
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: I'm the oldest of four, twin brother and sister and

1103
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:48,280
Speaker 1: little sister. Parents still alive, Moms alive, Dad passedway recently,

1104
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: but we didn't have a relationship so step dad. I

1105
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: have three stepdads. Wow, that was cool. No, it wasn't.

1106
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: On the next episode. Yeah, I've been married twice. It's

1107
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: signed with your forever wife, correct, my soulmate. Okay, I

1108
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: feel like Edd, you learned something here. Yeah. Man, I'm

1109
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 1: telling you, this guy's full of stories and and we're

1110
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 1: gonna go on and on and like in a few months,

1111
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: you're gonna find something. We would be like, what, Oh

1112
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: my gosh, we gotta talk about this, more about this,

1113
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: because that's what it is. Dude. He's got all kinds

1114
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 1: of stories like the man, the mansion he lived in,

1115
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,919
Speaker 1: things like that, and then like like even my wife

1116
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 1: the other day was just like he really found dead

1117
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,479
Speaker 1: bodies in his house. Were not bodies, dead people. Yeah,

1118
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: this up. You can't make it up. Though, I just

1119
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: found nine dead bodies, a monkey and a talking dog.

1120
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: Stop it, Like how I just made that up? Though?

1121
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: I came here in a spaceship. Okay, all right, scool Steve,

1122
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: Thank you. I follow Scooba Steve on Instagram, Instagram, Twitter, Yes,

1123
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: but you don't know my handles at at Scuba Steve Radio.

1124
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: I did see the b team Facebook page. Now people

1125
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 1: follow you the other day. Yeah, yeah, they're cool. I

1126
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 1: don't do facebooks. I don't check that out. No, no,

1127
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: they were. They have a Facebook. I don't do Facebook.

1128
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: They have a Facebook group. It's actually the only good

1129
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: Facebook group with our show because our show page is evil.

1130
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: But um, they were like, better go follow scoobasve on Instagram. Cool, awesome,

1131
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: Thank you much followers. All right, that's it, Thank you

1132
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: very much, Scoobasy everybody. Bobby and Eddie's music school is

1133
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: now in session, up in the morning and out coming

1134
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 1: up in a few minutes. A really cool interview that

1135
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: I did with Don McClain, who wrote American Pie, Bye,

1136
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: American Pie Room, Shift to the Living but the Living

1137
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: was drying. What a jam. I wonder if kids now

1138
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: know it, because we weren't alive when it came out,

1139
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: but we still love it and learned the words for

1140
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: most of it. And like after he called in or whatever,

1141
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: I talked to my brother on the way home and

1142
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, we talked to Don McClean today

1143
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: and he goes, uh, who is that? And I'm like,

1144
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: my brother knows music like we do, and he's like,

1145
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: oh right, right, American Pie Man. I haven't heard that

1146
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: a long time. I'm like, dank, dude, and you're a

1147
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: music fan. Maybe with another big movie to come out

1148
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: and kind of put it back in there. Maybe, Well,

1149
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: so before we talk to him, and it's the fifty

1150
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: anniversary of the song, the day that music died that

1151
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 1: song was written about is February third, nineteen fifty nine.

1152
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: It was a plane crash that claimed the lives of

1153
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: Buddy Holly, who I love and even have mimicked my

1154
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: esthetics as my look Buddy Holly and weez are two nerds.

1155
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: I was like, man, they're cool, they're nerds. I'm gonna

1156
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 1: look like them, Richie Balance, the big bopper, and the

1157
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: pilot Roger Peterson, which you I guess you don't hear

1158
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: about because he wasn't famous. This year marks the sixty

1159
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: second anniversary anniversary of that tragedy, which means the best

1160
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: twelve years until the song was written. Doing the math here,

1161
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: so the date was coined the day the music died

1162
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: in the lyric to that song from Don McClane. There

1163
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: you heard that deep inside the music. So the Winner

1164
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: Dance Party was a tour featuring and let's play a

1165
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: clip of each of them, Buddy Holly, but you may

1166
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: know that would be the day when you say good by.

1167
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: Richie Valen's LaBamba for sure, the Big Bopper, Hello Baby,

1168
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 1: come on, Hello Baby, and Helsto on the tour, Oh

1169
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 1: Dion Waylon Jennings, Whalen Jennings, Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,

1170
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: so Whyland It's all four of those. But he was

1171
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: part of the crickets. He was part of He was

1172
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: there right, he was in the plane, he was in

1173
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,439
Speaker 1: the whole situation that happened here. And so the tour

1174
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: was happening. Things were not going great behind the scenes.

1175
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 1: The musicians route had been poorly designed. They were going

1176
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: far out of the way to get to a show

1177
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: then having to go back. They were playing as many

1178
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: shows as they could. They did twenty four shows in

1179
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: twenty four days, and again not routed right. Thinking about

1180
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: a concert now if you try to roun in order

1181
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,919
Speaker 1: because you don't want to go California, then Florida, then

1182
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: Texas than Maine. But this show was routed terribly. About

1183
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: a weekend to the tour, the heating system on the

1184
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 1: bus broke. A bunch of them that were just the crew,

1185
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: the band. They had to be hospitalized because of frost bite.

1186
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: So this is happening the Big Bopper, you know, hello

1187
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: babe and Richie Valens, a little little bomba got flu

1188
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: like symptoms and so they were like, oh man, this sucks.

1189
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: Everything was like in a bad spot. Shows weren't going great,

1190
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: nobody was feeling good. They played a show in clear Lake, Iowa.

1191
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 1: Buddy Holly, who was cold and frustrated, was like, I

1192
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: ain't taking the bus because they were going Iowa, Minnesota.

1193
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: He for sure was the most successful out of everyone,

1194
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: the almost money out of everyone, not taking the freaking bus.

1195
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: So it reached out to Dwire Flying Service and he said, hey,

1196
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: then in an airplane, so okay. Twenty one year old

1197
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 1: pilot Roger Peterson was like, all right, let's do it.

1198
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: And I think it was about forty bucks a person

1199
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 1: on this flight back then, probably very expensive. So Whiteland

1200
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: Jennings was initially supposed to fly, but gave up his

1201
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: spot to the Big Bopper because the Big Bopper was

1202
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: starting to get sick. The next one, Richie Valens and

1203
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: this other guy all stop, all sup, Tommy yo, right,

1204
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 1: flipped a coin Ritchie Vallens one, but not really because

1205
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,280
Speaker 1: the plane crash. So before heading to the airport, Whalen

1206
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,240
Speaker 1: Jennings tease buddy Holly saying, I hope you're all plane crashes,

1207
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 1: because he was just going being funny, like you're getting

1208
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 1: to go on this. I'll meet you back. I'm gonna

1209
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 1: be cold, but I'll meet you back. But an illness

1210
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: kept Jennings from getting on the plane, and then a

1211
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: coin flip put Ritchie Vallens on the plane. Ritchie Palonen

1212
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: was a teenager too, so shortly after midnight February three,

1213
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 1: at the airport they gathered their their crap. They hurried up.

1214
00:56:56,080 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: There was snowing like crazy. At approximately am, they took

1215
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: off from Runaway seventeen which is now Runway eighteen, and

1216
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: Dwyer watched from below as the plane lifted into the

1217
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 1: dark wintry night and away it went. Then three minutes later,

1218
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 1: the plane's tail lights entered into uh kind of a

1219
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: bad spot, vanished from sight. They called no response, So

1220
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: there you go. That was it and whenever it got

1221
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: light because they couldn't find it when it was dark.

1222
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: This Dwyer the plane guy, right, Jerry Dwyer, the guy

1223
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: that the Dwyer Plank service. The company. He got up

1224
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 1: on a plane tried to retrace their route, hoping he

1225
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 1: would see nothing, because if you see nothing, maybe it

1226
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: got somewhere. But in a corn filled less than six

1227
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: miles northwest of the airport, he saw the wreckage. Debris

1228
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: have been scattered more than five feet across the field. Um,

1229
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: the music, as they now says, died. I haven't seen this,

1230
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: but I've heard that in the Rock and Roll Museum

1231
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: in Seattle, I believe, uh, they have Buddy's glasses that

1232
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: were found there, and then there are a lot of

1233
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: artifacts that they took from kind of the plane crash

1234
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: site whatever they still have. But um, I mean, dude,

1235
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: I have I've just kind of of course, I'm a

1236
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: music fan. I've looked in a lot of this stuff,

1237
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: and I've seen autopsy reports pretty crazy, just like just

1238
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: reading autopsy reports looking at the time, like plane crash,

1239
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: It's it's just available. I think through the years, people

1240
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: have just been wanting to know more about the plane

1241
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: crash and what had happened and all that and what

1242
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: they found when they when they got there. So I've

1243
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: I've definitely read a lot about this stuff. Buddy Holly

1244
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: released three albums in his lifetime. He had one number

1245
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: one song that will be the Day what You're here

1246
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: right here? He had a couple of them were top

1247
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: three hits, like Pig su Pig every Day from Buddy Holly,

1248
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 1: Here you Go. That's probably my favorite day. It's a

1249
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: little closer, Oh boy, this is a jam you don't

1250
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: Know what You being and missing Oh boy, oh boy.

1251
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: That reminds me of Obama the movie Crying Wait and

1252
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: Hope and was so good Wait Hope and you Come Back.

1253
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: Do you know these songs? The songs? Also, it's the

1254
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: forty two anniversary of Richie Vallen's death. Yeah, so I'll

1255
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: tell you a a little bit about just kind of going

1256
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: down memory lane of Richie Vallen's Obviously I wasn't alive,

1257
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: but uh, you know, I didn't realize that his career

1258
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,919
Speaker 1: only lasted for about two years. He got signed really young.

1259
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: I think he was fifteen when he signed with Delphi Records.

1260
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: And it was tricky because his name was Ricardo. Ricardo

1261
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: Valenzuela was his birth was his birth name, and they

1262
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: were like, you know, hey, dude, we're gonna have to

1263
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: change your first name one to Ritchie because they're just

1264
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: a lot of uh, you know, Richie's right now, Like

1265
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: I guess a little Richie was around, was around at

1266
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: that time, Yeah, a little Richard, but there are any Richie's,

1267
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: a lot of Richards. So so we're gonna go with

1268
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 1: Richie on that one. And then Valenzuela they shortened to

1269
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 1: Valence to not really so they can take away his demographic.

1270
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: They feared that if he came out as a Hispanic

1271
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: American it would be the kind of the violence weela.

1272
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: Only the Hispanics and the Latinos in America would like him.

1273
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: So he's like, let's get everyone to like you, and

1274
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: we'll just change your name to Richie Valens. And from

1275
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 1: watching the movie you Know, which was really big in

1276
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: the eighties, uh, it seemed like he wasn't cool with that,

1277
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: but he went with it because he knew he had

1278
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: to do it if he was gonna be a rock

1279
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: and roll star, but as good dude. So he signed

1280
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: with him, and then of course he had his first song,

1281
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: come On, Let's Go. That was his first hit. Oh

1282
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: yeah that one, right? Yeah? What else you got? They

1283
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,439
Speaker 1: he wrote Donna after a Girl, which was baller. Dude,

1284
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: You write it, you write it after a girl that

1285
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: you like, you sing it to her and then that's

1286
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: that was his girl, his last girl from it. Yeah,

1287
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 1: that's a good one and obviously his biggest one. Obviously

1288
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: the biggest hit La Bomba, which was huge because he

1289
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 1: took a a Mexican folk song and turned into a

1290
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 1: rock roll smash like there was. This isn't the version.

1291
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: The version of Labama that everyone knew at that time

1292
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: in the fifties was very folklodical is what they call it.

1293
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 1: And it's just very acoustic guitar Labama, you know, like,

1294
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: so he made it a rock and roll jam in

1295
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 1: America loved it and it was awesome, dude, and he

1296
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 1: was really flying. And it's just so sad that he

1297
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: died at age seventeen when he was really on a

1298
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: roll to just becoming a big star. Obviously, we don't

1299
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 1: know what he could have done, how long that he

1300
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: would have been a star, but sad to see him,

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01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 1: you know, with these three songs that had some good

1302
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: success and then nothing. Well, I'm obviously a big Buddy

1303
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 1: Holly fan shout out Lubbick, Texas obviously, uh, and you're

1304
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 1: a big Ritchie balance. I wish we had somebody to

1305
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: speak up with a big bomber here, I know, Mike babe. Alright,

1306
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: So that's music school. It's just good to know that

1307
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 1: in case you didn't know that, because when you hear

1308
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 1: Don McClean talk about stuff is a point of reference there.

1309
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: One of the things Don talked about that was really

1310
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: surprising to me was that, uh, buddy as kind of

1311
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: has been at that point, like he hadn't hitten We'll

1312
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 1: let people hear it if the interview hasn't even happened yet.

1313
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: I thought it was before this. Well, when you're listening

1314
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 1: to listen for that part, you've been shocked to. This is,

1315
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: by the way, check out the store Losers. That's Eddie

1316
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 1: Sports podcast. Yes, this week we have Chris from Low

1317
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: Cash on. He's actually going to the super Bowl, so

1318
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 1: he talks a little bit about that how he gets

1319
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: to go to these cool games, uh, amazing athletes that

1320
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 1: he's met before in cool stories. And when I asked him,

1321
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: I said, do you would you freak out more with

1322
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: famous musicians or famous athletes? And he's a musician, goes

1323
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: no athletes for sure, And I'm like that's crazy, you're

1324
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: a musician. But he loves athletes. He loves sports. So

1325
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: check out the store, losers. That's what's up, all right,

1326
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 1: Thank you, glad. That was Bobby and Eddie's music school.

1327
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 1: He don, How are you fine? How are you hey?

1328
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: Pretty good? Big day celebrating fifty years. I mean when

1329
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 1: you look back at something obviously that is so iconic

1330
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 1: with with your song, But does fifty years seemed like

1331
01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: yesterday or does it seem like literally for ever ago?

1332
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: Both of those things. It's uh, it's forever and it's yesterday.

1333
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:10,479
Speaker 1: There you go, yesterday is forever. You just wrote another

1334
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 1: one down fifty years from now. I'm gonna be singing

1335
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:15,959
Speaker 1: that back. How do you spell your name? B o? Any? Okay,

1336
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: I'll make this sure you put that on there? Yeah yeah,

1337
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: I put that on that. Hey, So to me, I

1338
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 1: talked to a lot of songwriters and a lot of

1339
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 1: songwriter friends, and some songs they can literally remember when

1340
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 1: they're in the room, and some songs that are big

1341
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: hits they can't. And they're like, you know, I wrote

1342
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 1: so many songs I don't quite remember that with American Pie,

1343
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 1: can you still see yourself in the room, you know,

1344
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 1: coming up with ideas, putting pen to paper. Yes, I

1345
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: have a very good memory of a lot of stuff

1346
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: like that, almost like a child. Um, I know exactly

1347
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,479
Speaker 1: what I was doing. I was sitting in a little

1348
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 1: chair that had rockers on it, and I used to

1349
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 1: rock in this little room and it was a school

1350
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 1: room chair made out of oak. And I have a

1351
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: little typewriter and I type on it. And so that's

1352
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: probably where I typed the song up in the little

1353
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: room in cold Spring, New York, where I wrote a

1354
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 1: lot of songs. Do you finish and go? I think

1355
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 1: we got something here that is gonna have a heavy

1356
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: commercial appeal. Where do you go? I don't ever think that.

1357
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: When did you first get that feedback to where they're like, man,

1358
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 1: there's something to this, not just commercially but culturally. I

1359
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 1: time passed, but I can tell you from the very

1360
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: beginning the song was a phenomenon. Um I had. I

1361
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: had a year which where I was almost like the Beatles.

1362
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 1: Everywhere I went, I was on the news, UM audience

1363
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: were would swoon, girls would pass out. I had. I

1364
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 1: really had that sort of teen idle thing for about

1365
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: a year, I would say, because of the song. And

1366
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: then there was a sort of backlash against it. Um

1367
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 1: Rolling Stone wrote a lousy review and started to destroy

1368
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 1: my career. But they couldn't stop the song. It kept

1369
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 1: going and going and going, and it I kept going.

1370
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 1: And fifty years past, I've had a lot of ups

1371
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 1: and downs. I've had several comebacks. This is one of

1372
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 1: them right now. Yes, and I'm glad to be a

1373
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 1: part of a don I always love a good comeback story.

1374
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 1: I've got quite a few. Um. The song comes into

1375
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 1: a little a little more than eight minutes, and I

1376
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 1: was looking at some some chart data here. I'm always

1377
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 1: impressed by people that that kind of set standards and

1378
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 1: break records. And that's the longest song to ever hit

1379
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 1: number one of the pop chart. Now with it being

1380
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 1: eight minutes, did you guys plan to fully go all

1381
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 1: eight minutes in or did you have a shorter version

1382
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: in case it wasn't getting played on radio. I just

1383
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 1: I told you already I don't think about commercial things.

1384
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 1: I just did it and I presented what I do,

1385
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 1: which every real um. Most groups that are important or

1386
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 1: singers that are important really create what they do and

1387
01:05:56,560 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 1: either the record company likes it or they don't. Uh. Um.

1388
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: So in my case, I do a lot of different things,

1389
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 1: you know, and I love you. So it is a

1390
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 1: very popular song, the most recorded song I ever wrote.

1391
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't even know I wrote that song,

1392
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 1: my version of Crying, which was number one, and people

1393
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: hear that a lot probably don't even know it's me.

1394
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 1: Um So I do a lot of different things, but

1395
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: the song artistically had to be the length that it

1396
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 1: was in order to completely satisfy the story that I

1397
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 1: was telling. So I gave the album to them. They

1398
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 1: love the album, They loved the song. They immediately didn't

1399
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 1: even ask me. They cut it down to two and

1400
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: a half minutes, put it on the radio, went to

1401
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 1: number one, and then people bought the album, and then

1402
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 1: they started to play the full version and that went

1403
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 1: to number one. Back February three is the date. That

1404
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 1: is the day the music died after you know what,

1405
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 1: Buddy Holly, who I'm a massive fan of, obviously the

1406
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: big bopper Richie Ballence, can you vividly remember that day?

1407
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 1: I know you talk about in the song, but do

1408
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 1: you remember that day? And only? Man? I really should

1409
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 1: do something with this at some point. No, I never

1410
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 1: thought about doing anything with anything. I just I'm all

1411
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 1: hard that's all I am. I I'm very sentimental. It

1412
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 1: was a painful thing for me. I was thirteen years

1413
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 1: old and it was the first, you know, personal death

1414
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 1: I had ever experienced, except maybe for a cat or

1415
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 1: a dog. And um it stayed with me and for forever.

1416
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 1: But I remember that nobody really cared. I went to school,

1417
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 1: I said, buddy, Holly died and they said, now, so

1418
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 1: what you know, he hadn't been on the charts in

1419
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 1: two years. It wasn't a big deal now, of course,

1420
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: you know, if that story was a big story in Texas,

1421
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: the old different thing, he was there, boy, you know.

1422
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 1: And but in America, we didn't look back in those days.

1423
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: If somebody died, that was it, you know, and you

1424
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 1: moved on and you didn't spend this time mourning and

1425
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 1: remembering and going back and over and over. But American

1426
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 1: Pie is the ultimate song of mourning, really mourning the

1427
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:16,719
Speaker 1: country mourning him. And that's partly what's resonates with people

1428
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 1: in this country now and also perhaps even created part

1429
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 1: of the reason why the country is the way it is.

1430
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:25,679
Speaker 1: I don't know, but there was a need to hold

1431
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 1: onto things. Uh, We've been through a war and a depression,

1432
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of things that were lost. So

1433
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 1: you didn't hold on to the death of a rock

1434
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 1: and roll star who was off the charts for two years.

1435
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 1: We didn't hold on to things like that. You moved

1436
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:43,919
Speaker 1: forward and you sucked it up and forgot about it,

1437
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 1: like they do in Israel. But you know, all of

1438
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 1: a sudden, now we're always talking about Elvis in Maryland.

1439
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 1: And you know, I even have a song about George Reeves, Superman.

1440
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 1: You know, he's one of the secondary deaths. You know

1441
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 1: that now and then get talked about. But no, I

1442
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 1: had somebody called this Day and the third of February

1443
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:10,679
Speaker 1: the day that music died, and that stuck. And I'm

1444
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 1: so happy about that because to have my song and

1445
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 1: something that I did be part of this monumental the

1446
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: day and it's the death of this monumental singer. And

1447
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 1: let's not sell short Richie Valence, who was seventeen years

1448
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:30,600
Speaker 1: old and was already making hit records. And we have

1449
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 1: a lot of um Spanish people in our country now

1450
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:37,839
Speaker 1: that come from Mexico and South America, and they're terrific,

1451
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 1: terrific hardworking people. And he's there guy, you know, and

1452
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 1: those records. Linger on Donna is really one of the

1453
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 1: great hit songs of the fifties, unforgettable once you hear it.

1454
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 1: So you know, Buddy was the template for all the

1455
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 1: rock bands that came later. It wasn't like Elvis. Elvis

1456
01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 1: had a choral group behind him in the form of

1457
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 1: that weird in Theirs, But Buddy had the double guitars

1458
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 1: and the whole thing the Rolling Stones do. And he

1459
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 1: wrote sixty songs maybe, and every one of those is

1460
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,599
Speaker 1: a hit. And I don't think John Lennon, Paul mccarton,

1461
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 1: or anybody else has done that. Two more questions for you.

1462
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:16,560
Speaker 1: I'm just very appreciate to be talking with you. I

1463
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 1: read this online, and I know everything online is not true.

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01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 1: Some things about myself get written not true. But I

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01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 1: read that you make half a million dollars per year

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01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 1: and just royalties on this song. I make a lot

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01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 1: of money on all my music from all over the world,

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01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 1: and I don't know how much money I make from

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01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:38,720
Speaker 1: that song. If it's used in a major advertisement of

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01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 1: the sync license, it would be more than that. UM

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01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 1: It's I have two hundred songs that are played in

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01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 1: UM ninety two countries every day. It's a lot of

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01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 1: songs and a lot of places. I'll be honest with you.

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01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:56,719
Speaker 1: One other thing. You know, growing up as a kid,

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01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:58,759
Speaker 1: I was a big weird al fan. When he parodies

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01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:00,680
Speaker 1: your song, do you get to her at first? And

1477
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 1: do you get irritated with it? Well? No, I love

1478
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 1: these things when they're done well. And altos everything well. Um,

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01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 1: and he's a terrific guy. Um. I loved it. And

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01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe what a great recording it was and

1481
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 1: how funny it was. And he's he's you know, he's

1482
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 1: just a good guy and a and a good hearted guy,

1483
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 1: and he does a something that is just purely entertaining

1484
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 1: and uh and fun and I love him. I mean,

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01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 1: I was very happy and I was honored that he

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01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:32,600
Speaker 1: did that. I mentioned a few things that you have

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01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 1: going on here. The feature length documentary The Day the

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01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:37,639
Speaker 1: Music Died, the story behind Don mcclean's American Pie, set

1489
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 1: for release at the end of He'll be featured on

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01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 1: a new recording of American Pie with the country group

1491
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:45,879
Speaker 1: Home Free. And then tell me about this new stage

1492
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 1: play that because you have so many great songs, um,

1493
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:52,799
Speaker 1: so what's happening with that? And what's that going to be. Well,

1494
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:57,639
Speaker 1: the same people that did the Carol King Broadway show

1495
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 1: I have a contract with now and they put money

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01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 1: into this. They're gonna do this and it's gonna be

1497
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 1: one of these kind of songbook shows, you know, with

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01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 1: a lot of my songs and a storyline supposedly and

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01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 1: probably about my journey. Um as this children's book is

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01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 1: also about me as a child. Um. So everything I

1501
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:23,720
Speaker 1: do is personal. So no matter how much you might

1502
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 1: like any song of mine, it was always comes back

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01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 1: to some event in my life. And in the case

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01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 1: of American Pie, of course, it starts with me being

1505
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:34,560
Speaker 1: a paper boy and I it's the only job I

1506
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,720
Speaker 1: ever had in my life was as a paper boy. So,

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01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 1: um that's the personal part that's in this song. Don McClean,

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01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 1: one of the most respected songwriters in American history, thank

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01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 1: you for sharing your story. Good luck. Sounds like you've

1510
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 1: got so much going on. Hey to countries right now

1511
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 1: jamming and Don McClean hits. Can't get enough of that

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01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 1: baby swing it all right, Don gonna talk to you Bud,

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01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 1: all right. Thank you