WEBVTT - Introducing: Someone Knows Something 0:00:08.245 --> 0:00:15.245 School of Humans. 0:00:20.045 --> 0:00:24.045 I'm at another river, this one flowing through a southwestern 0:00:24.085 --> 0:00:29.605 Ontario town on a clear but darkening springtime evening. I 0:00:29.645 --> 0:00:32.765 recorded these nature sounds well over a decade ago for 0:00:32.845 --> 0:00:36.525 a TV documentary using the same microphone I now use 0:00:36.565 --> 0:00:40.405 for the podcast. This thing always seems to be standing 0:00:40.445 --> 0:00:48.245 between me and the unknown, somehow oddly comforting, just. 0:00:48.165 --> 0:00:53.005 Crouching at the riverside. Here a park and Hanover, Ontario. 0:00:54.525 --> 0:00:58.165 This is the Sage River, which the mouth of the 0:00:58.205 --> 0:01:00.165 Sagi actually empties. 0:00:59.765 --> 0:01:00.805 Out into the Lake Huron. 0:01:01.245 --> 0:01:06.405 It's about sixty kilometers downstream, I think, flowing clear, but 0:01:06.405 --> 0:01:10.445 there's lots of debris kind of pushed against the shoreline. 0:01:10.725 --> 0:01:16.245 There's obviously a pretty high floodplain here. There's an old gazebo, 0:01:17.325 --> 0:01:20.165 a swing set, there's an old gate. 0:01:24.005 --> 0:01:27.165 I remember focusing on the sounds these things made. Here, 0:01:27.805 --> 0:01:31.205 chains on a swing, muddy logs at the high watermark, 0:01:31.605 --> 0:01:36.765 brushy grasses along the path, and that metal gate. I 0:01:36.885 --> 0:01:40.365 wonder if these objects or the sounds they made, ever 0:01:40.605 --> 0:01:45.165 held any actual comfort for anyone. 0:01:45.325 --> 0:01:49.165 At one time, this park was Christine Harron's favorite place 0:01:49.165 --> 0:01:52.885 in the whole world. I have been told if i'd 0:01:52.885 --> 0:01:57.085 been here. Before May eighteenth, nineteen ninety three, I might 0:01:57.085 --> 0:02:02.765 have seen her down here catching frogs or fishing. Nobody 0:02:02.765 --> 0:02:07.405 here today, this path next to the river. 0:02:10.685 --> 0:02:13.925 The sounds I recorded here don't reveal any secrets, but 0:02:14.365 --> 0:02:17.605 I feel pulled back to places like this again and again, 0:02:18.805 --> 0:02:24.245 pulled back into long term investigations, their grief and the hope. 0:02:24.445 --> 0:02:27.685 Even after some questions have been answered, there's always more 0:02:28.605 --> 0:02:34.845 and more difficult ones. Over thirty years ago, just one 0:02:34.965 --> 0:02:41.405 week after her fifteenth birthday, Christine Herron disappeared, and her 0:02:41.565 --> 0:02:46.765 full story has yet to be told. I'm David Ridgin, 0:02:46.845 --> 0:02:50.125 and this is someone Knows Something, Season nine, The Christine 0:02:50.205 --> 0:03:02.885 Heron Case, Episode one, Chrissy. I first learned about Christine 0:03:02.925 --> 0:03:05.645 in the late two thousands as I was scanning through 0:03:05.765 --> 0:03:09.125 some of the many unsolved cases out of Ontario. I 0:03:09.245 --> 0:03:12.725 was preparing to make a documentary series for CBC Television's 0:03:12.765 --> 0:03:16.765 news program The National. I sorted Chrissy's case into a 0:03:16.845 --> 0:03:20.965 much smaller pile, a short list of sorts, cases that 0:03:21.045 --> 0:03:22.885 for some reason spoke to me. 0:03:24.485 --> 0:03:27.845 We gathered here this morning for a celebration of life 0:03:28.565 --> 0:03:31.765 in the life a Christine. 0:03:31.605 --> 0:03:36.085 Or I'd learned that a memorial service was being held 0:03:36.085 --> 0:03:40.685 at a church seventeen years after Christine disappeared. So I 0:03:40.765 --> 0:03:44.565 traveled west to Hanover in the springtime of twenty ten. 0:03:47.525 --> 0:03:49.885 Let us bring loving to go out. 0:03:50.645 --> 0:03:55.045 Look with mercy on those who mourned for Christine, who 0:03:55.045 --> 0:03:59.125 has died by the violence of our fallen world. Be 0:03:59.245 --> 0:04:01.965 with us as we struggled with the mysteries of life 0:04:01.965 --> 0:04:02.405 and death. 0:04:03.605 --> 0:04:07.405 Framed photos of Christine in curly dark hair and glasses 0:04:07.445 --> 0:04:09.685 sit on a small table at the front of the church, 0:04:09.885 --> 0:04:13.525 next to the minister. There are others sad people whom 0:04:13.605 --> 0:04:17.805 I assume are her family standing close by, including the 0:04:17.845 --> 0:04:22.125 woman that I know is her mother, Mary Anne. 0:04:22.765 --> 0:04:24.765 Described by her mom as a bit of a loader. 0:04:24.845 --> 0:04:27.805 Christie didn't have a lot of close friends. 0:04:28.805 --> 0:04:29.485 In our culture. 0:04:29.925 --> 0:04:34.045 Her loader mentality meant that she was viewed as being different. 0:04:34.925 --> 0:04:37.925 She wasn't someone who has hung up on appearances or 0:04:37.965 --> 0:04:41.365 who is doing what with whom She had other things 0:04:41.405 --> 0:04:42.885 to do, other things. 0:04:43.445 --> 0:04:47.805 This minister's words, his impressions of Christine filled me with 0:04:47.845 --> 0:04:52.125 a chill of sadness. Tears suddenly rolled down my face 0:04:52.205 --> 0:04:55.805 for this young person I'd never met, and right there 0:04:56.245 --> 0:04:58.325 I decide that I'm going to do this case. 0:05:02.485 --> 0:05:04.685 This is the last slaves Christie had lived. 0:05:07.485 --> 0:05:10.925 I would take several more months of information gathering before 0:05:10.965 --> 0:05:13.045 I contacted Chrissy's mother, Mary Anne. 0:05:14.325 --> 0:05:18.245 That front window was the living room, and that's where 0:05:18.285 --> 0:05:21.365 her and I had spent the morning together watching television, 0:05:22.485 --> 0:05:24.605 with her laying her head on my lap. 0:05:27.085 --> 0:05:30.125 I've got mary Anne framed up in my documentary camera 0:05:30.445 --> 0:05:34.365 on a cool, windy day, pale skinned in glasses, with 0:05:34.525 --> 0:05:38.805 meticulous makeup and shorter hair. Mary Anne stands in front 0:05:38.845 --> 0:05:41.925 of the small brick two story she'd been renting back 0:05:41.965 --> 0:05:44.365 in the spring of nineteen ninety three at the time 0:05:44.485 --> 0:05:49.285 Christy disappeared. Mary Anne gestures to where she says Chrissy 0:05:49.405 --> 0:05:50.885 walked away from home that. 0:05:50.885 --> 0:05:54.765 Day and then she left to go to school. She 0:05:54.845 --> 0:05:58.165 walked down the other side of the street and around 0:05:58.165 --> 0:06:04.525 the corner, and that was the last I've seen of her. 0:06:05.525 --> 0:06:08.045 Mary Anne says she watched from an upstairs window as 0:06:08.125 --> 0:06:11.645 Chrissy turned the corner on the way. Mary Anne thought 0:06:11.725 --> 0:06:15.245 to Grade nine classes at John Diefenbaker High School, not 0:06:15.445 --> 0:06:20.085 that far away. It was sometime between one thirty and 0:06:20.205 --> 0:06:24.205 two pm. Chrissy had not felt well that morning, so 0:06:24.405 --> 0:06:27.965 stayed home. She'd been known to skip classes and didn't 0:06:28.005 --> 0:06:31.205 want to go to school that afternoon either. She and 0:06:31.245 --> 0:06:33.885 her mom had argued about it, and mary Anne suggested 0:06:33.885 --> 0:06:38.485 that perhaps Chrissy should get a job instead. Chrissy walked out, 0:06:38.605 --> 0:06:42.365 saying see you later and slammed the door. She was 0:06:42.365 --> 0:06:46.405 wearing blue jeans, a jean jacket, black running shoes, plastic 0:06:46.445 --> 0:06:49.645 glasses with a broken nose piece on one side, and 0:06:49.925 --> 0:06:51.765 possibly a silver bracelet. 0:06:54.285 --> 0:06:56.485 She was in a good mood that morning, but she 0:06:56.605 --> 0:06:58.125 was mad that she had to go to school. She 0:06:58.525 --> 0:07:00.805 even we were in the process of packing and moving 0:07:00.845 --> 0:07:03.525 to another place, and she says, well, even let me 0:07:03.565 --> 0:07:06.285 stay home and I'll pack all day. Times did it 0:07:06.325 --> 0:07:08.565 go on that day? But I said, you can't truant 0:07:08.565 --> 0:07:09.325 officers waiting. 0:07:11.165 --> 0:07:13.445 There were other tensions in the household at the time 0:07:13.485 --> 0:07:17.005 as well. Chrissy had been deeply troubled by her parents' 0:07:17.045 --> 0:07:21.725 divorce years earlier. Her father, Lorne, lived in Western Canada 0:07:21.765 --> 0:07:25.765 at the time of Chrissy's disappearance and has since passed away. 0:07:26.125 --> 0:07:29.045 Chrissy got along with her younger brother named Sean, but 0:07:29.245 --> 0:07:32.005 did not always see eye to eye with her stepfather, 0:07:32.365 --> 0:07:35.885 who was also named Sean. Sean Russworm, who was then 0:07:35.925 --> 0:07:36.845 aged twenty six. 0:07:38.165 --> 0:07:41.205 Well, she didn't like keeping a room clean. She's kind 0:07:41.205 --> 0:07:42.045 of a tomboy. 0:07:43.405 --> 0:07:45.365 Yeah. 0:07:45.525 --> 0:07:48.405 Russworm is a large man in a T shirt sporting 0:07:48.405 --> 0:07:51.885 a mustache and smudgy blue line tattoos on each shoulder. 0:07:52.725 --> 0:07:55.525 Back at their current home, he and Marianne are settled 0:07:55.525 --> 0:07:59.765 into a couch. Two chihuahuas named Chloe and Angel sit 0:07:59.845 --> 0:08:01.125 on their laps. 0:08:01.845 --> 0:08:05.925 Wow, as well as they behaved, than maybe they can stay. 0:08:07.805 --> 0:08:07.845 You. 0:08:08.125 --> 0:08:10.365 The best thing to do is to hand her to 0:08:10.445 --> 0:08:15.085 you and let you hold her. Stare Angel? 0:08:15.765 --> 0:08:21.085 See Mary Anne hands me Angel the extra small one 0:08:21.165 --> 0:08:23.445 so she can get used to me and stop barking. 0:08:24.125 --> 0:08:25.965 I walk around the room a bit with the dog 0:08:26.045 --> 0:08:29.205 in hand, looking at some photos of Chrissy spread out 0:08:29.245 --> 0:08:32.125 on a coffee table with a yellow lunch pail on 0:08:32.165 --> 0:08:35.685 her first day of kindergarten, blowing out birthday candles in 0:08:35.765 --> 0:08:39.765 red ribboned pigtails and Christmas tree moments. 0:08:40.405 --> 0:08:42.565 I was gonna try something with that light. 0:08:43.285 --> 0:08:52.325 Okay, the dogs seem calm and we start talking about Chrissy. 0:08:52.405 --> 0:08:54.165 I'd like to take stuff apart. 0:08:54.765 --> 0:08:57.685 And put her back together to see what made it work. 0:08:58.485 --> 0:09:05.525 She loved kids, love going for walks, into cricks, catching frogs. 0:09:05.045 --> 0:09:05.285 And. 0:09:07.805 --> 0:09:10.525 I see Chrissy seeming to watch me through her big 0:09:10.565 --> 0:09:11.805 glasses in the photos. 0:09:13.045 --> 0:09:13.845 I love those. 0:09:13.645 --> 0:09:16.925 Glasses, but she hated them. 0:09:17.125 --> 0:09:20.965 There was times where other people would pick on her 0:09:21.005 --> 0:09:24.205 younger brother, Sean, and then Chrissy be right there sticking 0:09:24.285 --> 0:09:27.005 up for her brother. Chrissy was right there and punched 0:09:27.045 --> 0:09:30.245 out a couple of boys that were picking on Sean. 0:09:31.005 --> 0:09:34.645 This was in public school already, so she could hold 0:09:34.645 --> 0:09:39.205 her home and she was feisty and when she needed 0:09:39.205 --> 0:09:39.405 to be. 0:09:42.245 --> 0:09:46.205 Sean admits that his relationship with Chrissy was sometimes strained, 0:09:46.645 --> 0:09:50.085 and he says that he's bipolar and sometimes can be aggressive. 0:09:50.805 --> 0:09:52.885 But he says that one of his last memories of 0:09:52.965 --> 0:09:55.565 Chrissy is her helping him replace the spark plugs in 0:09:55.565 --> 0:09:56.365 his car. 0:09:57.565 --> 0:10:01.845 When we started to get closer, she'd come out to 0:10:01.885 --> 0:10:05.765 the garage and asked me if she could use my tools. Yeah, 0:10:05.765 --> 0:10:07.925 they're right there if I go to help. No, No, 0:10:09.165 --> 0:10:10.325 she wanted to do it herself. 0:10:11.685 --> 0:10:14.005 But she wasn't one to go out to parties or 0:10:14.045 --> 0:10:16.205 anything like that. Like she'd come home a couple of 0:10:16.285 --> 0:10:18.965 times and said, well, they're drinking. 0:10:18.645 --> 0:10:19.205 So I left. 0:10:19.325 --> 0:10:21.605 She was against. 0:10:21.125 --> 0:10:22.765 Smoking, she was against drinking. 0:10:22.845 --> 0:10:24.765 I told her we were really proud of her for that. 0:10:26.885 --> 0:10:30.605 She was close to her grandma, my mom, very close. Yeah, 0:10:31.645 --> 0:10:33.085 they spent a lot of time together. 0:10:36.325 --> 0:10:39.645 We always had a good relationship for any reason. If 0:10:39.685 --> 0:10:42.245 she just wanted to talk, she'd call me. She used 0:10:42.285 --> 0:10:44.005 to spend a lot of time out there with. 0:10:43.885 --> 0:10:47.445 Me, Grandma Phillis socks at her home. 0:10:48.845 --> 0:10:53.125 And then when ninety three we moved to Gwelf. That's 0:10:53.165 --> 0:10:56.285 what upset me so bad, because I felt she if 0:10:56.325 --> 0:10:59.085 she's out there, she's going to try and reach me, 0:10:59.885 --> 0:11:03.605 because she always did if she wanted something other. And 0:11:05.365 --> 0:11:07.725 I thought, I move away, she won't have my phone number, 0:11:07.765 --> 0:11:11.005 and that's upset me. And once I moved away, I 0:11:11.005 --> 0:11:13.645 couldn't even look at her pictures anymore for a long time. 0:11:14.885 --> 0:11:16.165 It really upset me bad. 0:11:17.405 --> 0:11:26.805 It says Grandma, It says Gramall wild as all. 0:11:28.405 --> 0:11:33.085 Wild they saweya Oh God, says Grandma. 0:11:36.845 --> 0:11:39.445 Christine sits around a Christmas tree with her family in 0:11:39.525 --> 0:11:43.045 nineteen ninety I watched the grainy archival video as she 0:11:43.165 --> 0:11:45.765 quietly makes sure that everyone has a gift to open 0:11:45.965 --> 0:11:49.765 before she does. Then the footage shifts to a Santa 0:11:49.845 --> 0:11:52.925 theme park and Christine's pretending to be a reindeer in 0:11:52.925 --> 0:11:56.205 front of a big red sleigh, a mischievous strength to 0:11:56.285 --> 0:11:59.965 her every move, just three years before she walks off 0:12:00.005 --> 0:12:00.805 into oblivion. 0:12:01.285 --> 0:12:07.405 Whoh, I got sewing machine. I'm bringing her out and 0:12:07.525 --> 0:12:10.365 letting her use it. She made an apron the one 0:12:10.405 --> 0:12:13.685 time she was out and we'd baked and we'd just 0:12:13.725 --> 0:12:16.925 play games. We always used to go do worm hunting 0:12:16.925 --> 0:12:21.805 and picking with her too, and she'd go fishing. I 0:12:21.925 --> 0:12:24.245 just couldn't believe it when she disappeared and she didn't 0:12:24.285 --> 0:12:28.925 call me. It's something you can't never forget. I don't know, 0:12:30.165 --> 0:12:32.005 no matter what, you can't forget about it. 0:12:35.845 --> 0:12:38.965 Mary Anne reported Christy missing to Hanover Police at nine 0:12:38.925 --> 0:12:42.805 to twenty one pm on the day she disappeared, May eighteenth, 0:12:43.005 --> 0:12:46.365 nineteen ninety three. Christy was known to have a poor 0:12:46.405 --> 0:12:49.765 sense of direction and would get lost easily, But despite 0:12:49.765 --> 0:12:52.805 this and her habit of skipping classes or sleeping over 0:12:52.845 --> 0:12:55.885 at friends' houses, mary Anne and others say that Chrissy 0:12:55.965 --> 0:12:58.805 would always call home and never go far. 0:13:00.565 --> 0:13:03.165 When she didn't show home, I started phoning her friends 0:13:03.445 --> 0:13:07.085 and my family, just to see if maybe she went 0:13:07.125 --> 0:13:09.845 to one of her friend's house after school or something. 0:13:11.565 --> 0:13:14.325 The story of Christine's case, at least in the beginning, 0:13:14.845 --> 0:13:18.725 is a familiar one. A teenager leaves home, supposed to 0:13:18.725 --> 0:13:24.365 be somewhere school, but never makes it. Local police investigatively inexperienced, 0:13:24.445 --> 0:13:27.445 finding nothing and flying in the face of what a 0:13:27.525 --> 0:13:31.965 mother knows. 0:13:30.125 --> 0:13:33.285 And nobody had seen her or heard from her. So 0:13:34.125 --> 0:13:36.125 then the family and I we started going out and 0:13:36.165 --> 0:13:39.885 looking for her, looking in parks in the area, just 0:13:39.925 --> 0:13:42.645 to see, you know, if she was someplace else and 0:13:42.845 --> 0:13:45.925 just hadn't come home yet. We had formed the police 0:13:46.205 --> 0:13:49.045 and they said it was too soon yet to do anything. 0:13:49.885 --> 0:13:53.005 What we actually got from the Hanover police chief himself 0:13:54.005 --> 0:13:57.285 was that his daughter runs away a lot, takes off 0:13:57.325 --> 0:14:00.805 for days. So mine probably did the same thing. So 0:14:01.045 --> 0:14:03.725 she never showed home, and I sat up all night 0:14:03.765 --> 0:14:09.005 and waited for were reading. I even had the feeling 0:14:09.045 --> 0:14:10.885 too all along that she was down there by the 0:14:10.885 --> 0:14:15.525 park somewhere. I kept trying to get them to search more, 0:14:16.525 --> 0:14:19.725 and the church and I we even got together and 0:14:19.805 --> 0:14:23.125 formed our own search and we wanted to search down there, 0:14:23.125 --> 0:14:25.565 and they wouldn't let us. They made us go in 0:14:25.565 --> 0:14:28.125 the opposite direction, and the. 0:14:27.965 --> 0:14:33.085 Top police was very upset when we yes, when we 0:14:33.125 --> 0:14:36.405 set that up. They were not impressed that you set 0:14:36.485 --> 0:14:36.965 up a search. 0:14:37.285 --> 0:14:40.205 Yes, yes, they didn't want the public to panic. 0:14:40.365 --> 0:14:43.205 We were told that we went anywhere near the park 0:14:44.005 --> 0:14:47.885 that weekend, the very first weekend she disappeared, there would 0:14:47.925 --> 0:14:50.525 be consequences and repercussions. 0:14:50.685 --> 0:14:53.165 Who told you that the police. 0:14:56.605 --> 0:14:58.805 There had been an antique car show on at the 0:14:58.805 --> 0:15:02.405 park that coming Victoria Day weekend, and police were concerned 0:15:02.405 --> 0:15:06.285 about disrupting it. According to Mary Anne, Hanover police and 0:15:06.365 --> 0:15:11.325 fire department did eventually coordinate and conduct a single search 0:15:11.725 --> 0:15:16.405 using volunteers on May twenty third, nineteen ninety three, five 0:15:16.565 --> 0:15:21.565 days after she disappeared. The search encompassed the Hanover Park, 0:15:21.965 --> 0:15:25.125 the south shore of the Saggin River going east, and 0:15:25.245 --> 0:15:29.285 the town water tower. No trace of Christine was found. 0:15:30.605 --> 0:15:33.125 I think everybody just wanted to believe she was a runaway. 0:15:33.765 --> 0:15:37.645 Nobody would actually think of her as something had happened, 0:15:37.885 --> 0:15:40.525 not in a small town, not to their town. So 0:15:40.725 --> 0:15:43.205 everybody who just told us, no, she's a runaway, She'll 0:15:43.245 --> 0:15:46.165 come back when she's ready, even when we were putting 0:15:46.205 --> 0:15:49.725 up posters. People would take them down. They just didn't 0:15:49.725 --> 0:15:50.325 want to believe it. 0:15:50.685 --> 0:15:52.325 The town police took them. 0:15:52.205 --> 0:15:55.845 Down, Yeah, but nobody would believe it. I actually got 0:15:56.005 --> 0:15:59.205 phone calls from people, you know, stop making such a fuss, 0:15:59.845 --> 0:16:05.045 she'll come back. Yeah. 0:16:05.965 --> 0:16:08.845 Did you ever cast any suspicion or doubt suspicious of 0:16:08.885 --> 0:16:10.005 people in town. 0:16:09.765 --> 0:16:11.485 Or anything home of it? 0:16:11.965 --> 0:16:17.285 Nope, Mary Anne and Sean didn't have any suspects, but 0:16:17.445 --> 0:16:20.245 almost a year later they had to be ruled out 0:16:20.245 --> 0:16:21.925 as suspects themselves. 0:16:23.165 --> 0:16:25.405 Yes, we all were. At one point they asked us 0:16:25.405 --> 0:16:28.765 to take polygraphs, and I agreed just to rule out 0:16:29.245 --> 0:16:31.845 being a suspect so that they would get on with 0:16:31.885 --> 0:16:34.405 the case and find the person that did it. Or 0:16:34.405 --> 0:16:37.085 I did it willingly knowing that it would clear me 0:16:37.285 --> 0:16:40.485 and would help the case. I would would have done 0:16:40.525 --> 0:16:43.805 anything at that time. And you went through two of them. 0:16:43.965 --> 0:16:48.165 I went through too. The first one was fairly basic. 0:16:48.965 --> 0:16:52.605 It didn't bother me too much. The second one was 0:16:52.645 --> 0:16:57.205 at a very tense time in my life. My employer 0:16:57.245 --> 0:17:00.765 at the time was on strike. In nineteen ninety nine. 0:17:01.645 --> 0:17:06.325 I had the interview over at milfors Pp Eastation and 0:17:07.565 --> 0:17:11.445 I believe it was October of nineteen ninety nine and 0:17:11.645 --> 0:17:17.365 I was interviewed by one of their forensic people from Kingston, 0:17:17.485 --> 0:17:20.365 supposed to one of their head people. It was very 0:17:20.525 --> 0:17:25.605 very intense, suppost a four to five hour process, and 0:17:25.645 --> 0:17:32.725 they accused me in many different ways of murdering Christine, strangling, rape, 0:17:33.645 --> 0:17:38.365 shooting her, drowning her, and just everything they could to 0:17:38.405 --> 0:17:43.205 push my buttons. What pushed my buttons the most during 0:17:43.245 --> 0:17:49.325 this process, I know that they were videotaping and recording 0:17:49.365 --> 0:17:54.925 the session. They mentioned that they had Paul Bernardo in 0:17:55.005 --> 0:17:57.645 another room. They wanted to know what my thoughts were. 0:17:59.565 --> 0:18:03.045 Paul Bernardo was a serial rapist and murderer in Ontario. 0:18:03.205 --> 0:18:06.205 In the nineteen eighties and nineteen nineties. He and his 0:18:06.245 --> 0:18:11.605 partner Karla Homolka horribly murdered two young women. Bernardo had 0:18:11.605 --> 0:18:15.805 been arrested and jailed months before Christy disappeared, So using 0:18:15.805 --> 0:18:20.245 his name here was a tactic to get Sean talking, and. 0:18:20.205 --> 0:18:23.885 With myself already being bipolar things that were going on 0:18:23.965 --> 0:18:26.605 in my life at that time, I completely lost it. 0:18:26.765 --> 0:18:29.165 I jumped out of my seat. I seemed to remember 0:18:29.925 --> 0:18:32.125 throwing a couple of things around. I just said, let 0:18:32.165 --> 0:18:33.965 me add the son of a bitch, because only one 0:18:33.965 --> 0:18:35.925 of us is going to walk out of the room alive. 0:18:36.845 --> 0:18:42.165 I completely lost control. They tried to calm me down. 0:18:43.205 --> 0:18:45.605 I shut them off. All I had in my mind 0:18:45.725 --> 0:18:48.845 was looking for Paul Bernardo and wanted at him, and 0:18:48.885 --> 0:18:52.605 I wanted him dead. And that's the last I could remember. 0:18:54.325 --> 0:18:58.165 Russworm had been at work until three pm in Durham, Ontario, 0:18:58.245 --> 0:19:01.285 at the time Christy disappeared, about a fifteen minute drive 0:19:01.325 --> 0:19:05.925 away from Hanover. After work, he drove to Marianne's, where 0:19:05.925 --> 0:19:08.965 he heard that Christine had left for school shortly before 0:19:09.005 --> 0:19:10.005 he arrived. 0:19:10.965 --> 0:19:12.605 And what did they tell you about the results of 0:19:12.685 --> 0:19:14.445 either of those polygraphs that you took. 0:19:14.405 --> 0:19:18.605 On that I was clear, as far as they're coriscerned, 0:19:18.645 --> 0:19:21.005 I had nothing to do with it. What they said 0:19:21.045 --> 0:19:24.125 they had to do what they had to do to 0:19:24.245 --> 0:19:27.405 prove that I was not guilty. 0:19:27.725 --> 0:19:31.725 Sean and Marianne did pass their first polygraph tests, according 0:19:31.765 --> 0:19:34.965 to documents, and neither was ever arrested or charged in 0:19:35.045 --> 0:19:35.885 Christine's case. 0:19:37.365 --> 0:19:39.765 Do I wish anyone to ever go through a process 0:19:39.885 --> 0:19:43.965 like that? No, it's hell, it's not a very nice process. 0:19:44.365 --> 0:19:47.325 What they did everything that they needed to do, and 0:19:47.405 --> 0:19:51.085 I commend them for doing it. I just still wish 0:19:51.285 --> 0:19:54.445 that we had something more could bring justice and bring 0:19:54.485 --> 0:19:55.245 Christine home. 0:19:58.325 --> 0:20:00.765 I did know before the night was over she was dead, though, 0:20:01.965 --> 0:20:05.405 call it mother's intuition or whatever, I knew she was going. 0:20:19.365 --> 0:20:22.365 There weren't many Christine heron news reports to look at. 0:20:22.485 --> 0:20:26.285 Early on in my investigation items I could find. Talked 0:20:26.285 --> 0:20:30.205 about the local Hanover police making no headway in Christine's case, 0:20:30.685 --> 0:20:33.605 claiming even a year later that there was no evidence 0:20:33.645 --> 0:20:36.885 of foul play. Even though Chrissy had left her house 0:20:36.965 --> 0:20:40.965 without her id, any extra clothing, or the eighty dollars 0:20:40.965 --> 0:20:44.405 in birthday money she had just received. Police continued to 0:20:44.445 --> 0:20:47.365 suggest that she was a runaway, that there were sightings 0:20:47.365 --> 0:20:50.605 of her. Christine was in Toronto with skinheads who had 0:20:50.645 --> 0:20:53.645 been seen in Hanover, she'd dyed her hair blonde and 0:20:53.725 --> 0:20:56.205 shaved the side of her head, or she'd left home 0:20:56.285 --> 0:20:59.165 to go live with her father Lauren, out west, but 0:20:59.445 --> 0:21:03.445 she never appeared there or Toronto, or was seen anywhere 0:21:03.445 --> 0:21:06.485 else again. After May eighteenth, nineteen ninety. 0:21:06.205 --> 0:21:10.405 Three, mary Anne and I spent a lot of time 0:21:11.125 --> 0:21:16.645 the first six months to a year we went to Kitchener, London, Toronto. 0:21:18.085 --> 0:21:21.365 Where else did we go here? I can't even remember. 0:21:23.045 --> 0:21:26.445 Even if police weren't looking for Christine, Marianne and Sean 0:21:26.605 --> 0:21:28.045 were trying their best. 0:21:28.765 --> 0:21:31.285 Every chance we had, going to places that we probably 0:21:31.365 --> 0:21:34.885 we checked, shelters we went into. I'm not sure if 0:21:34.925 --> 0:21:37.045 it's a halfway house or a drug house or what 0:21:37.125 --> 0:21:37.485 it was. 0:21:40.325 --> 0:21:43.845 The media would report on these supposed sightings of Christy 0:21:44.045 --> 0:21:47.805 and help to generate more rumors and to make matters worse. 0:21:47.925 --> 0:21:51.165 According to Mary Anne, the few articles that were written 0:21:51.485 --> 0:21:53.605 were often filled with inaccuracy. 0:21:55.045 --> 0:21:58.485 I found that whenever you tried to tell them something, 0:21:58.525 --> 0:22:02.605 they twisted into something else. It was never what you 0:22:02.645 --> 0:22:07.285 were trying to explain. They always just took bits and 0:22:07.325 --> 0:22:09.805 pieces and made their own sentences. 0:22:09.845 --> 0:22:15.045 It wasn't always the truth that we had said. So 0:22:15.085 --> 0:22:20.685 it became frustrating and upsetting, to the point where we 0:22:21.005 --> 0:22:25.085 just had to refuse to speak from We were so 0:22:25.285 --> 0:22:30.165 scared of jeopardizing Christine's case that. 0:22:30.205 --> 0:22:34.925 We shut out all reporters for quite a while until now. 0:22:39.005 --> 0:22:43.565 I've kept most of the clippings the newspapers all these years, 0:22:44.125 --> 0:22:49.925 got those and somewhere the posters, Yeah, typical girl. 0:22:50.925 --> 0:22:56.085 Yes, So do you think there's a chance in this 0:22:56.205 --> 0:22:58.925 case still or what's your want? 0:22:58.965 --> 0:23:04.125 It solved justice and solved. I think you're still a chance. 0:23:05.685 --> 0:23:14.045 I hope, I hope this will bring her home. We'll 0:23:14.045 --> 0:23:21.325 do our best marking, sure you will, but Canver does 0:23:21.405 --> 0:23:27.685 not feel like home anymore. She went missing us. It's 0:23:27.725 --> 0:23:28.245 not our home. 0:23:37.005 --> 0:23:39.805 We had the same home room in grade nine, so 0:23:39.925 --> 0:23:43.125 the only desk was right beside her, So that's how 0:23:43.165 --> 0:23:47.885 I met her and Finn there we pretty much were 0:23:48.565 --> 0:23:49.525 like fat sons. 0:23:50.605 --> 0:23:52.685 Like Christine was very shy. 0:23:53.445 --> 0:23:57.165 Cindy Galen McPherson, one of Christine Herron's school friends. 0:23:57.885 --> 0:24:00.285 I mean, if you didn't know it, it took a 0:24:00.365 --> 0:24:01.725 long time to kind of. 0:24:01.645 --> 0:24:05.365 Get to know it. And a lot of people like 0:24:05.605 --> 0:24:06.405 to pick on her. 0:24:06.285 --> 0:24:08.045 Because she was really easy to pick on. 0:24:08.885 --> 0:24:12.325 How So, if somebody said, well, why don't you go 0:24:12.445 --> 0:24:14.525 do this, she'd go and do it because she wanted 0:24:14.565 --> 0:24:15.445 to be accepted. 0:24:16.045 --> 0:24:19.885 People would like froll in a locker. She'd just stay 0:24:19.965 --> 0:24:21.925 there until like, we we're gone. 0:24:21.765 --> 0:24:23.605 And I'd come and be like, okay, you can get 0:24:23.685 --> 0:24:24.085 out now. 0:24:25.005 --> 0:24:25.885 She really wasn't. 0:24:25.685 --> 0:24:29.005 Once for conflict, even if people were fighting or if 0:24:29.045 --> 0:24:31.125 there was a chance that there could be fighting, she. 0:24:31.325 --> 0:24:32.045 Was out of there. 0:24:34.565 --> 0:24:37.325 We'd hang out pretty much every weekend. 0:24:39.605 --> 0:24:42.765 The day she disappeared and I found the house, then 0:24:42.765 --> 0:24:44.245 her mom answered and I'm. 0:24:44.085 --> 0:24:44.725 Like, it's Christy. 0:24:44.805 --> 0:24:44.845 Know. 0:24:45.005 --> 0:24:47.925 She's like no, if she hasn't gotten home from school yet, 0:24:48.645 --> 0:24:49.765 I thought it was kind of weird. 0:24:49.765 --> 0:24:52.205 And I'm like, well she didn't, she wasn't at school, 0:24:52.245 --> 0:24:52.645 and her. 0:24:52.485 --> 0:24:57.045 Mom's like, oh, okay, And then I think it was 0:24:57.085 --> 0:24:59.605 about two hours later. I got another phone call and 0:24:59.645 --> 0:25:01.965 she's like, are you sure Christy isn't there, And I'm 0:25:01.965 --> 0:25:02.645 like no. 0:25:05.045 --> 0:25:07.805 Cindy and her father drove the roads that Chrissy might 0:25:07.845 --> 0:25:10.645 have traveled to get to their farm. 0:25:10.565 --> 0:25:13.685