WEBVTT - S04 Episode 19 Extra: Touching from a Distance

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Unexplained Extra with me Richard McClane Smith, where

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<v Speaker 1>for the weeks in between episodes we look at stories

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<v Speaker 1>and ideas that, for one reason or other, didn't make

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<v Speaker 1>it into the previous show. Last week's episode of View

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<v Speaker 1>from a Hill took a look at the haunting tale

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<v Speaker 1>of the infamous Coonian ghost House in Ireland. As was

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned briefly in the episode, it is said that author

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<v Speaker 1>Sean Leslie, who wrote about the Coonyan Haunting in his

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty six book Ghost Stories, did himself grow up

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<v Speaker 1>in a haunted house. Castle Leslie and the surrounding estate,

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<v Speaker 1>located in County Monaghan in the north of Ireland, has

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<v Speaker 1>been owned by the Leslie family since the sixteen sixties,

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<v Speaker 1>although the current castle was built in eighteen seventy. Now

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<v Speaker 1>a high end hotel, the lavish, stately property has been

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<v Speaker 1>home to a number of distinguished occupants over the years,

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<v Speaker 1>some of which, it is alleged, have never truly left.

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<v Speaker 1>When Sean Leslie's mother, Leone, was approaching the end of

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<v Speaker 1>her life, she spent much of her time bedridden in

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<v Speaker 1>what was known as the Mauve Room. Shortly before she died,

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<v Speaker 1>it is said that her nurse witnessed her conversing with

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<v Speaker 1>an elderly woman who was assumed to be just a

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<v Speaker 1>good friend of Leone's. Later, after Leonie had died, the

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<v Speaker 1>nurse was attending a memorial service at Leslie Castle when

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<v Speaker 1>she recognized the elderly friend in a family painting. The

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<v Speaker 1>woman was Lady Constance Leslie, Leonie's mother in law, who

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<v Speaker 1>died twenty years before. A second ghost said to aunt

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<v Speaker 1>the castle is that of Norman Leslie, Leoni's son, and

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<v Speaker 1>Sean Leslie's brother. A number of visitors claimed to have

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<v Speaker 1>seen an apparition fitting Norman's description in the room known

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<v Speaker 1>ominously as the Red Room. It was there in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen that Leoni is said to have awoken suddenly to

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<v Speaker 1>find her son standing next to her, despite the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that he was overseas fighting in the First World War

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. Leoni discovered shortly after that Norman had

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<v Speaker 1>been killed in battle. As some might point out, it

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<v Speaker 1>could be claimed that Leoni hadn't seen a ghost at all,

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<v Speaker 1>but instead experienced what is referred to as a crisis apparition,

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<v Speaker 1>a supposed momentary vision of a loved one that some

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<v Speaker 1>belief can occur in a moment of extreme stress. This

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<v Speaker 1>story put me in mind of a similar incident that

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<v Speaker 1>has claimed to have taken place just over a decade later.

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<v Speaker 1>Early one morning, aboard a large steamship out somewhere off

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<v Speaker 1>the coast of West Africa in the early hours of

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<v Speaker 1>March fourteenth, nineteen twenty eight, Below deck of the Grand

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<v Speaker 1>ocean liner S S. Barrabole, somewhere to the south of

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<v Speaker 1>the Canary Islands, Squadron leader Rivers old Meadow was fast

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<v Speaker 1>asleep in his cabin. Also on board was old Meadow's

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<v Speaker 1>good friend and colleague, Colonel George Henderson. The former RIF

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<v Speaker 1>pilots and veterans of the Great War, were returning from

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<v Speaker 1>South Africa after a six month stint demonstrating the latest

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<v Speaker 1>in aviation technology. It had just gone to a m

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<v Speaker 1>when Old Meadow was startled awake by the sound of

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<v Speaker 1>someone crashing into his room. Hurriedly switching on the light,

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<v Speaker 1>he was bemused to find his friend, Colonel Henderson standing

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<v Speaker 1>before him in his pajamas, with a look of shock

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<v Speaker 1>on his face and in the grip of an obvious

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<v Speaker 1>and distressing panic. God Rivers. He cried something ghastly has happened?

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<v Speaker 1>Hinch has been in my cabin by patch and all

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<v Speaker 1>it was ghastly. He kept repeating, over and over again, Hendy,

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<v Speaker 1>what am I going to do? What am I going

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<v Speaker 1>to do? I've got this woman with me and I'm lost,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm lost. And then he disappeared in front of my eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>just completely disappeared. Old Meadow stared for a moment, trying

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<v Speaker 1>to take it all in, then, thinking the best course

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<v Speaker 1>of action was to try and calm his friend down,

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<v Speaker 1>poured Henderson a stiff drink. As Henderson sipped his whiskey,

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<v Speaker 1>the pair tried to comprehend what had taken place. Hinch

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<v Speaker 1>was their mutual friend and fellow former RF pilot, Captain

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<v Speaker 1>Raymond Hinchcliff. The three of them were said to have

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<v Speaker 1>formed a strong bond, having flown together during the Great War,

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<v Speaker 1>the only problem being that Hinchcliff wasn't on board the ship.

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<v Speaker 1>Since they both knew Hinchcliff to be flying commercial planes

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<v Speaker 1>in Europe, they could only assume that Henderson's vision had

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<v Speaker 1>been at best and especially lucid dream or at worst,

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<v Speaker 1>a portent of an imminent threat to their friend. As

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<v Speaker 1>for the identity, of the mysterious woman he apparently spoke of.

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<v Speaker 1>They had absolutely no idea. Having eventually calmed down, Henderson

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<v Speaker 1>returned to his cabin and did his best to get

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<v Speaker 1>back to sleep. As it happened, Hinchcliff wasn't in Europe

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<v Speaker 1>at all, but was instead flying somewhere over the Atlantic

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<v Speaker 1>while taking part in a record breaking attempt to fly

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<v Speaker 1>to America. It was two days days later when the

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<v Speaker 1>news reached all those on board the s s barable

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<v Speaker 1>that the plane Captain Hinchcliffe had been flying in was

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<v Speaker 1>now missing over the Atlantic. The vision, it seemed, had

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<v Speaker 1>been portentous after all. However, there was no mention of

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<v Speaker 1>any woman on board with him. Since Hinchcliffe had been

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<v Speaker 1>attempting the journey alongside his good friend and co pilot

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<v Speaker 1>Slash Unexplained Podcast. Elsie McKay was born in eighteen ninety three,

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<v Speaker 1>the daughter of wealthy businessman James McKay, who would go

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<v Speaker 1>on to become the chairman of the Peninsula and Oriental

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<v Speaker 1>Steam Navigation Company better known as p and O. After

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<v Speaker 1>eloping with actor Den Windham in nineteen seventeen, Elsie was

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<v Speaker 1>said to have been disinherited by her family before embarking

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<v Speaker 1>on a successful career as an actor in her own right,

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<v Speaker 1>starring in a number of silent movies over the next

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<v Speaker 1>few years. When the marriage ended abruptly in nineteen twenty two,

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<v Speaker 1>Elsie was welcomed back into the family, after which, with

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<v Speaker 1>the help of her father, she embarked on a second

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<v Speaker 1>career as an interior decorator, going on to design the

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<v Speaker 1>interiors for a number of his company's vessels. Elsie's true passion, however,

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<v Speaker 1>was flying. In the years since the end of the

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<v Speaker 1>First World War, air flight and speed records had been

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<v Speaker 1>rapidly tumbling as aviation technology continued to advance at an

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<v Speaker 1>exponential rate. Elsie had followed them all with increasing excitement.

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<v Speaker 1>In June nineteen nineteen, John Alcock and Arthur Brown were

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<v Speaker 1>the first to cross the Antic, followed by Portuguese aviators

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<v Speaker 1>Geigo Coutino and sat Dura Cabral in nineteen twenty two,

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<v Speaker 1>who flew from Lisbon to Rio de Janeiro. Five years later,

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Limburgh caught the public imagination with his extraordinary solo

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<v Speaker 1>crossing from the United States to Europe, and before long,

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<v Speaker 1>Elsie was dreaming of creating her own record to become

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<v Speaker 1>the first woman to cross the Atlantic, despite the reservations

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<v Speaker 1>of her father, who worried about the dangers of such

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<v Speaker 1>a venture. Elsie, who'd always plowed her own furrow, began

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<v Speaker 1>preparations in earnest and by the end of nineteen twenty

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<v Speaker 1>seven had purchased a six seater aircraft named the Endeavor

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<v Speaker 1>to complete the trip. What she needed next was a

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<v Speaker 1>co pilot. Captain Raymond Hinchcliffe needed little convincing, having lost

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<v Speaker 1>an eye during an aerial dog fight towards the end

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<v Speaker 1>into the war, The pilot, who'd become famous for his eyepatch,

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<v Speaker 1>was by the late twenties finding it harder and harder

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<v Speaker 1>to judge his take off and landings. With Mackay offering

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<v Speaker 1>not only the prize money for becoming the first woman

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<v Speaker 1>to complete the Atlantic crossing, she also offered to ensure

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<v Speaker 1>his life for ten thousand pounds close to five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty thousand British pounds today, enough for the thirty

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<v Speaker 1>three year old Hinchcliffe to retire altogether and spend the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of his time at home with his wife and children.

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<v Speaker 1>Worried that her father might try to stop her, Elsie

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<v Speaker 1>took pains to keep the trip secret from him and

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<v Speaker 1>the press, even threatening to sue one prominent paper when

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<v Speaker 1>they got wind of the planned adventure. In order to

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<v Speaker 1>throw them off the scent, Hinchcliffe's friend Gordon Sinclair was

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<v Speaker 1>asked to put his name forward as the official copilot

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<v Speaker 1>on the flight plan. Sinclair even went as far as

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<v Speaker 1>to stay at a hotel close to the airfield in

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<v Speaker 1>which they would begin their flight on the night before

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<v Speaker 1>they were due to leave. By then, Sinclair's involvement had

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<v Speaker 1>been leaked to the press, and by the morning of

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<v Speaker 1>the flight a number of papers were heralding Hinchcliff's attempted

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<v Speaker 1>journey to New York, with Sinclair accompanying him as his

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<v Speaker 1>co pilot. Sinclair had even agreed to go into hiding

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<v Speaker 1>until Hinchcliff and McKay had completed their journey. On the

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<v Speaker 1>morning of Tuesday, March thirteenth, at r F Cranwell Airfield

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<v Speaker 1>in the east of England, Captain Hinchcliffe clambered into the

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<v Speaker 1>cockpit of the Endeavor and moments later Elsie McKay was

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<v Speaker 1>smuggled on board without anyone noticing. A few minutes later,

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<v Speaker 1>as a light snow began to fall, the pair were

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<v Speaker 1>taking off into the sky. As they embarked on their

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<v Speaker 1>ambitious three and a half thousand mile journey across the Atlantic.

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<v Speaker 1>At one thirty pm, chief lighthouse keeper at Mysen Head

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<v Speaker 1>on the southwest coast of Cork in Ireland, looked up

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<v Speaker 1>to see mackay's six seater monoplane shooting overhead toward America.

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<v Speaker 1>Not long after, the crew on board a steamship out

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<v Speaker 1>in the Atlantic on route from France also witnessed the endeavor,

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<v Speaker 1>by then heading on into increasingly stormy weather. Many hours later,

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<v Speaker 1>roughly three thousand kilometers away, the S S. Barrabole was

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<v Speaker 1>drawing closer to the Canary Islands when Squadron leader Rivers

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<v Speaker 1>old Meadow was shocked awake by the arrival of Colonel

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<v Speaker 1>George Henderson in his cabin, claiming to have seen a

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<v Speaker 1>vision of a deeply distressed Hinchcliff. A five thousand strong

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<v Speaker 1>crowd waited at Michael Field in Long Island, Newfoundland, to

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<v Speaker 1>welcome the safe arrival of Hinchcliffe and what they assumed

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<v Speaker 1>to be his co pilot, Gordon Sinclair, but the plain

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<v Speaker 1>was never seen again. In December nineteen twenty eight, a

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<v Speaker 1>wheel with a serial number traced back to Elsie McKay's

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<v Speaker 1>endeavor washed ashore in Donegal, Northwest Island. The only part

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<v Speaker 1>of her plain that was ever found, or at least

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<v Speaker 1>that is how the story was told by writer John G.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuller in his nineteen seventy eight book The Airmen Who

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<v Speaker 1>Would Not Die, which drew largely on a letter that

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<v Speaker 1>Fuller claimed to have found written by Rivers Old Meadow

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty one. Though there is no disputing the

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<v Speaker 1>fate that befell Elsie McKay and Captain Raymond Hinchcliffe, doubts

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<v Speaker 1>were raised regarding the extraordinary claim of Henderson's supposed vision

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<v Speaker 1>on the night of their disappearance. In two and eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Chamran and Steve Hume, writing in the Journal of

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<v Speaker 1>the Society for Psychical Research, exposed a number of holes

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<v Speaker 1>in the story, not least of all that the SS

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<v Speaker 1>Barraball had not in fact set self for England until

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<v Speaker 1>mid April of nineteen twenty eight, which would have put

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<v Speaker 1>Henderson and old Meadow on board the vessel a good

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks after Mackay and Hinchcliffe's disappearance had come to light.

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<v Speaker 1>Though some have sought to excuse the inconsistency that no

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<v Speaker 1>one as yet has managed to uncover a copy of

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<v Speaker 1>Old Meadows supposed nineteen sixty one letter describing the extraordinary

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