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Speaker 1: What's cred? Hey? You know too blessed to be stressed? Right? Family?
Speaker 1: Ship You ever heard that? You ever heard that song
Speaker 1: about it? About the comment wasn't easy like something on it?
Speaker 1: That's right? Yeah, she man. You know there's so many
Speaker 1: ways we can start with Yo, man, you' all don't done.
Speaker 1: Legendary ship Man and you're really just like some of
Speaker 1: the founding You're really like the Founding fathers kind of
Speaker 1: like you know, you're right up there with the Founding
Speaker 1: fathers in East. I wouldn't think. I wouldn't take credit
Speaker 1: for that. It was what it was. It wasn't no
Speaker 1: pretend those ship. It was like some real gangster ship,
Speaker 1: like for real, real I could beat that nigked you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I wouldn't actually take credit for it.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't take credit for being like the founders of
Speaker 1: that gangster ship. Man, But we did come in at
Speaker 1: a time where you know, wasn't very much real ship
Speaker 1: being being spent, so you know it was it was
Speaker 1: n W a ice team, uh eight. He did a
Speaker 1: record together back in the gap and cute. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying that there was the fathers to us,
Speaker 1: the forefathers of that gangster ship. Man, that that mothercker
Speaker 1: know what you just say, you know, whatever needed to
Speaker 1: be said, and that's what we did, you know, Yeah
Speaker 1: for sure. But you know y'all coming out of Houston, Texas, man,
Speaker 1: y'all brought a different angle to it. Man. When I
Speaker 1: first heard y'all, motherfucker's I was like God damn motherfucker's
Speaker 1: in Texas. Yeah, you know what it was. It was like, um,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of bottle up things, right. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like every every ghetto, it don't matter where you live,
Speaker 1: that you're going through going through a lot of the
Speaker 1: same issues. You're going through instant fish living, You're going
Speaker 1: through insufficient love, insufficient uh. You know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of insufficient uh food, you know, insufficient money, you know,
Speaker 1: just insufficient living. And that right there alone, you know,
Speaker 1: it is enough to make you lose your damn mind.
Speaker 1: And if you lose your mind, always gonna crystallize your
Speaker 1: mind and your way of thinking, and it's gonna make
Speaker 1: you get out there and go go even harder. That's why,
Speaker 1: like most of your your great basketball players and football players,
Speaker 1: the dudes come from the hood, because you know they
Speaker 1: the hood got them ready for the NFL before they
Speaker 1: even got to college to play ball or whatever. Man
Speaker 1: you have, you remember, you have to play hotball, and
Speaker 1: she didn't run through the whole damn team exactly. You
Speaker 1: got you gotta play murder ball in the damn street
Speaker 1: on the crime creeping ship and get ready and ship
Speaker 1: for ship like that man. You remember that man, We
Speaker 1: used to play football in the councrete before school started,
Speaker 1: in the parking lot, playing football on the country. So
Speaker 1: you take a dude like that and you put him
Speaker 1: in the same arena, on the same field or the
Speaker 1: same court as some dude who basically been sped with
Speaker 1: to still a spoon, and what kind of results you
Speaker 1: think you're gonna get. He gonna he donna look like
Speaker 1: a freaking nature to that dude, because that that dude
Speaker 1: don't understand that not only do we have his his
Speaker 1: own uh personal aspirations and whatever, but he's also he
Speaker 1: has this because he's thinking, man, I can actually break
Speaker 1: the generational chris with my talent. I can lift my
Speaker 1: whole family up out the hood with my talent, I
Speaker 1: can take my neighborhood and put my neighborhood on the
Speaker 1: back and taking many of these cats that I grew
Speaker 1: up with along for the ride. That's a lot of
Speaker 1: rish possibility we're going in in these situations, whether where
Speaker 1: they be music or sports or whatever. You know, with
Speaker 1: the idea that man, we've got a lot of people
Speaker 1: to feed, you know, and we like and our we
Speaker 1: were teenagers and twenty something years old with these type
Speaker 1: of responsibilities and at least, you know, having these type
Speaker 1: of thoughts. But we feel like we're obligated, you know,
Speaker 1: to to look after everybody or and you know, you
Speaker 1: talked about the community factor. I saw that you guys
Speaker 1: that both ran for city council. Do you you know
Speaker 1: one of the things we always talked about on this show.
Speaker 1: I think there's a need for that. And I always
Speaker 1: wonder why folks that's not from the community are the
Speaker 1: ones up there at the top. They know what's going
Speaker 1: on in the community, they know everyone in the community. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm talking about not just a council
Speaker 1: member from the city councilman, the mayor, of the police.
Speaker 1: Those should be people from the actual community. A big
Speaker 1: part of it, that's a great question. A big part
Speaker 1: of it is that the we live in a society
Speaker 1: with people like to remind you of your past, and
Speaker 1: if you have a past where you may have you know,
Speaker 1: got into a little trouble or whatever. But we know
Speaker 1: politics is a dirty game and they're gonna use that
Speaker 1: past against you. And another thing is that we don't
Speaker 1: want to be seen as hypocriticals, like what do you
Speaker 1: mean you start up there telling people to do the
Speaker 1: right thing, you didn't always do the right thing. And
Speaker 1: we we we we we get caught up in that
Speaker 1: and and and those type of moments, and were listening
Speaker 1: to people who don't want to really see our communities,
Speaker 1: uh involved. And a lot of these people look like us,
Speaker 1: but we don't see it because we just see color.
Speaker 1: But a lot of times it's it's the people before.
Speaker 1: Before we can get to the white gate keepers, you
Speaker 1: gotta get past the black gate keep and a lot
Speaker 1: of the black gate keepers would be the main rue
Speaker 1: before your pass in your face. They see you trying
Speaker 1: to better yourself. You're talking about, uh, you know about
Speaker 1: cleaning up the community. You're talking about, Hey, don't feel good?
Speaker 1: People like that? Don't we doing dribe? Don't be sitting
Speaker 1: with you in your head you start talking like that.
Speaker 1: You know what about when we did there? So what
Speaker 1: about when you did that? And that right there is
Speaker 1: what you did. A lot of the from sharing that
Speaker 1: information when you start when when when you're running for
Speaker 1: public office. So here's the reason why I have for
Speaker 1: public golfice. I wanted to make a difference in the
Speaker 1: community that I was born and raised in Okay. You
Speaker 1: you you look at you you you. I've been all
Speaker 1: over the world, bro, and when I come back to
Speaker 1: the neighborhood that I was draught up, and she will
Speaker 1: look the same, like we're not progress and we gotta
Speaker 1: we gotta, we gotta, we gotta a decent a decent mayor,
Speaker 1: and and and and and he's not hearing what we
Speaker 1: need to move forward, you know what I mean? Like like,
Speaker 1: Houston is the fourth largest city in the country, right,
Speaker 1: and and and and yet and and and and two
Speaker 1: of the big entertainers in the world come from here,
Speaker 1: Travis Scott and Beyonce. Right, but we don't have we
Speaker 1: we we we don't have We're not set up for entertainment.
Speaker 1: And we should have been set up for this ship, y'all.
Speaker 1: We should have been shooting movies here and should have
Speaker 1: been a tax given to these people man that shoot
Speaker 1: loris so they come down here and spend some of
Speaker 1: that money. And and and answer our economy too. You
Speaker 1: feel me? You know you need forward thinkers in that
Speaker 1: office downtown. Man, as long as you've got these old
Speaker 1: ass gatekeepers, Like really was saying, you got these old
Speaker 1: ass black gatekeepers down here that's praid to take another
Speaker 1: step in love forward. You know they play that that
Speaker 1: go along and get along, go along, get along game shout.
Speaker 1: I'm not for that ship. I'm for the advancement and
Speaker 1: the empowerment of my people. Man. And that's probably why
Speaker 1: they didn't want to suk with me, because they knew
Speaker 1: I would have been real serious on that, man, and
Speaker 1: about getting some ship in our community for our youngsters. Man,
Speaker 1: some four youngsters to do. Our youth ain't gonna go
Speaker 1: to out man, They're not that they don't have the money.
Speaker 1: That kind of ain't set up. Our kids are going
Speaker 1: to college, so why not give them some money to
Speaker 1: do trade ship. I can't tell you to stop selling
Speaker 1: dope or breakular people ship without operating an alternative it.
Speaker 1: See what I'm saying, All that they're doing that like
Speaker 1: like we're still stuck in the standstill now. And the
Speaker 1: councilwoman that they put in place, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: I don't see nothing. I don't. I don't see nobody
Speaker 1: going to trade school. I still see illegal dumping. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't see nothing put in place for us. You know,
Speaker 1: everybody in there trying to get them some money but
Speaker 1: we're cool men. We were cool. We already got some money.
Speaker 1: So we want to see all we want our neighborhoods
Speaker 1: and bands in a sense, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I want to see my neighborhood move forward and get
Speaker 1: out of this ship, get out of the swamp that
Speaker 1: they're putting us in constantly. Man, why is the money
Speaker 1: not trickling down into our neighborhood? That fucking pisses me off?
Speaker 1: All right, there's too many people lining their pockets and
Speaker 1: me and James talking about it all the time. You know,
Speaker 1: you brought up a deep thing. You brought up trade school.
Speaker 1: A lot of people talk about college, and I'm fourth college.
Speaker 1: I got a son who played college football. He's at
Speaker 1: USC right now. You starting the corner um and I'm
Speaker 1: all for college. But that's not for everybody. Every kid
Speaker 1: is not Every kid is out there's not meant to
Speaker 1: go before your institution. They just don't have anything like that.
Speaker 1: But they do have trade school alternatives. You've got kids
Speaker 1: out here to like to fix cars, like the Bill
Speaker 1: Ship is good with their hands. But those kids, imagine this,
Speaker 1: imagine this. Imagine you're leaving out of high school with
Speaker 1: a certificate man, that way, you are already ready. So
Speaker 1: you're going working, and you're going work in these places,
Speaker 1: and you're going and being will to do. You're well
Speaker 1: and uh in the ocean, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like I would say, with this place called the uh
Speaker 1: the god damn, they don't kill me too, man. A
Speaker 1: long shoreman I was yeah, yeah. The long shoreman was like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: we want to back you man. And just let everybody
Speaker 1: know that if they come out here, we're gonna pay
Speaker 1: for them to learn how to do this ship. And
Speaker 1: we're gonna give two dollars a year, you know, depending
Speaker 1: on how long they want to be. But I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: you know that my grandfather was a master plumber. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I'm a strong, strong, strong advocate portrayed. Bro, I'm
Speaker 1: a strong advocate. Portray you have happen happened. I was
Speaker 1: talking to my step pops the other day and he
Speaker 1: was talking about, you know, he owned two trucks, He
Speaker 1: owned two semis, He drove across country, always was the
Speaker 1: own operator. He told me that they call him every
Speaker 1: day and he's seven's two years old. That means that
Speaker 1: these young dudes ain't stepping up. They either don't know
Speaker 1: about it or don't half the way in and nothing
Speaker 1: he made. Do you blame that? Do you blame that
Speaker 1: on us being uneducated? Though probably be uneducated, education educating. No, no,
Speaker 1: we can't say undereducated. We can't say we can say
Speaker 1: not knowing, you know, like like like, ain't nobody just
Speaker 1: stepped out and say, hey, look you yeah, we got
Speaker 1: a whole. I got I got three trucks out here. Man,
Speaker 1: all you need to see the all and come get in.
Speaker 1: I'll need to card, come get in. You know you
Speaker 1: want to work off shore? Come on, man, like we
Speaker 1: worked with our hands, y'all. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like like I don't like the college institution and I
Speaker 1: with you on that. Man, Okay, college, want to go
Speaker 1: to college? Call us to go to college. Man, go
Speaker 1: be in the county, Go be a doctor, Go be
Speaker 1: an in Turney, whatever the funk you want to be.
Speaker 1: But for those who grew up with their grandparents, I
Speaker 1: grew up in the house, in the household, and that
Speaker 1: the indcome that the income was, you know, forty, I'll
Speaker 1: get to do that. You don't have that kind of
Speaker 1: money to go to college. Bro, it's any grand to
Speaker 1: go to college. Well, here's here's my standing with you know,
Speaker 1: my you know my my my my daughter just uh
Speaker 1: passed the boss and she was with now now she
Speaker 1: graduated from Fordam. Uh. But my son and she's in
Speaker 1: New York. My son hasn't business school in London, right,
Speaker 1: So my son and daughter, you know, we sent them
Speaker 1: to college because you know, not because they needed that,
Speaker 1: but we wanted them to have options. They had other
Speaker 1: dreams and aspirations. I ain't never wanted my kid to
Speaker 1: do what I do or try to pressure them to
Speaker 1: do something. Life is about access and options. If you
Speaker 1: think about your your own life, anytime you had access
Speaker 1: and you and options, you you always seem to be
Speaker 1: a little happy, right when you have access and options.
Speaker 1: So I sent my kids to those schools to go
Speaker 1: get the information and come back with it and then
Speaker 1: use it against it. That's what I sent mine and
Speaker 1: to go infantcrate, go get the information and but but
Speaker 1: they got the option. If they want to use that,
Speaker 1: you can. If you want to go work for somebody,
Speaker 1: that's fine. But I did not send my kids to
Speaker 1: college with with the with the uh with the idea
Speaker 1: of them going to big somebody else for a job big,
Speaker 1: and it's somebody that we know that don't like us
Speaker 1: for a job. That's we gotta make sure that we
Speaker 1: get over that notion when we do. If we do
Speaker 1: so our kids to college, we gotta keep that in mind.
Speaker 1: That we can't be sending our kids to school and
Speaker 1: expecting them to uh to go do all the right
Speaker 1: things but they're supposed to do, get that degree and
Speaker 1: then go big. These same people that we complain about
Speaker 1: every single day that are discriminated against us, hating us
Speaker 1: and hating on us, and and trying and trying to suppress,
Speaker 1: you know, our movement. Uh, And we can't be relying
Speaker 1: on them to to give us a job, or to
Speaker 1: give us a promotion, or to help lot in life.
Speaker 1: You can't do that. We gotta start building creating jobs
Speaker 1: before our kids enter the job market. That way they
Speaker 1: don't have to go big and somebody else for a job. Mama,
Speaker 1: Mama and dad. I already took care of that. We
Speaker 1: got that cover. Because if you want to come in
Speaker 1: family business, you can't. But if you want to go
Speaker 1: do your own thing, you got that option. So we
Speaker 1: gotta start with the first option. Number one should always
Speaker 1: be the family business exactly. And I'm a strong proponent
Speaker 1: of that because the thing is, I know some people
Speaker 1: that's doing our right life right, but everybody, you know,
Speaker 1: this really rich that really got money, they work for themselves. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, No, I don't know, no, I don't
Speaker 1: know no bigging there is to work for somebody. I
Speaker 1: don't know no millionaires to work for somebody. And I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure it's a few of them out there, but
Speaker 1: they're few and far between them. Yeah, And if they
Speaker 1: do somebody that they're they're at the CEO, they're the CEOs,
Speaker 1: the CEO orders, you know, they're at the time they're
Speaker 1: putting all of the putting the Curson screens, they're calling
Speaker 1: all the shots. They're right their own check basically exactly,
Speaker 1: because I know James talked about it a couple of
Speaker 1: times of actually, you know, building the trade school, like
Speaker 1: you know, you've got universities building a trade school for
Speaker 1: guys that's probably like just fresh out of the twelfth grade,
Speaker 1: you know, fresh out of high school, who don't have
Speaker 1: no options where they can go learn different trades out there,
Speaker 1: because they are all ways to make money out there.
Speaker 1: Besides stand on the corner because the hustlers did m
Speaker 1: you know, standing on those blockers did and everything, And
Speaker 1: I blame it two wheel. What happened to the then
Speaker 1: they used to teach then they used to do that
Speaker 1: in high school and offer that you the wood shopping
Speaker 1: and machine shopping building CAUs that school. Yeah, So so
Speaker 1: what happened where they just started snatching those programs. Here's
Speaker 1: what happened. They said back, and they said, these negroes
Speaker 1: don't need us. They got they got trades. They're not
Speaker 1: coming they get the jobs for us. They're starting their
Speaker 1: own businesses. They're being self deficient and independent. So what
Speaker 1: do we have to do. We're gonna squeeze them. So so,
Speaker 1: since we can't squeeze them out of the job market,
Speaker 1: they're not coming for us for the job. We can't
Speaker 1: squeeze them out of the job market. What we'll do
Speaker 1: is we'll just put the hammer down on them and
Speaker 1: ride on them. Uh. Set these traps out here, whether
Speaker 1: it be the dope track or whether it be some
Speaker 1: other kind of trap, open though some kind of weight.
Speaker 1: We bring them in. You know, maybe maybe the trapper
Speaker 1: is don't miss the the bease. Maybe maybe maybe the trappers.
Speaker 1: You know you are you you you uh? You know
Speaker 1: you had a dispute in the neighborhood or whatever, and
Speaker 1: you you know, you slap somebody or put somebody down
Speaker 1: on the ground. They sink, you know, you gotta reck.
Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is that ultimately the ideas they
Speaker 1: want our bodies warm or cold, they'll take the wrong
Speaker 1: since they can't make no money with us with the trade. See,
Speaker 1: we can't make no money with us because we we
Speaker 1: we realized we can do our own things. When we
Speaker 1: got a trade, we don't need them. They say, well,
Speaker 1: well we got another way to get you. We'll get
Speaker 1: you before you ever even need it. You can even
Speaker 1: use that trade. Well, we'll set these path doc up
Speaker 1: for you that you on into it, take you over
Speaker 1: to the prison system, and we'll get your ask to
Speaker 1: go for free. Yeah, we get to you. We'll get
Speaker 1: you to use that trade, that experience, whatever, a little
Speaker 1: experience that you big game. We're trained you your trade.
Speaker 1: In fact, we're gonna take the trade out of the
Speaker 1: school and we're gonna put it in the prison. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're not using the trade. So now you've got a trade.
Speaker 1: Now you gotta trade. But you make it five sense
Speaker 1: of a day. You know, you make a thirty seven
Speaker 1: sense a day. But you got you gotta trade. You
Speaker 1: can use it, but you're gonna use it with them.
Speaker 1: And that's the game. So that's why black meaning we
Speaker 1: have to go a boil and beyond to stay out
Speaker 1: of their way. We got to get out of their
Speaker 1: way by all means we we damn. They have got
Speaker 1: to be perfect citizens in this type of structure that
Speaker 1: we're living under, because the going for them is we
Speaker 1: are targeting they bring out by this cold or warm.
Speaker 1: They don't care about us. They hate us. They want
Speaker 1: us bid, they want us in the prison. They are
Speaker 1: are they are? They are they ruining us, start sharing around,
Speaker 1: not the warming. That's what they want up. They can
Speaker 1: either way and control us in any way. None of these.
Speaker 1: If you're jail, if you're a jail, you ain't no warrior.
Speaker 1: If you if you're dead, you ain't no warrior. And
Speaker 1: if you run around here acting like women, you ain't
Speaker 1: no water. So hey, guys, So that's so that's that's
Speaker 1: why BT can run running that move, play that play
Speaker 1: if they played, because it's bigger than just oh I
Speaker 1: want to do what I want to do. I like
Speaker 1: this person, and this feels like me. Why can't we
Speaker 1: just show our affection? You know, they are trying to
Speaker 1: They are trying to destroy the black man in every
Speaker 1: single possible way. And and if they if if they
Speaker 1: can destroy the black man, if they can destroy the
Speaker 1: black man, they can destroy a black family, Oh for sure.
Speaker 1: And I always talk about that. I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: something weird. The welfare system has people are coming. It
Speaker 1: is crypt our community because I'm gonna tell you, I'm
Speaker 1: embritly from Cleveland, Ohio. I'm gonna tell you the house
Speaker 1: the people I grew up with next door, the mama,
Speaker 1: and the mama was on welfare. Now I'm guessing who
Speaker 1: they are the same kids that I grew up with.
Speaker 1: Jarge Steve over here. They are on welfare and got kids.
Speaker 1: That's what they do. They get together full of money.
Speaker 1: And what are these white folks tell the people You
Speaker 1: can keep getting this money as long as you don't
Speaker 1: bring up in here, lay up with out here. But
Speaker 1: now that we know that, like hold on. But now
Speaker 1: that we know that it's on us. See, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you one thing that I you know, I do
Speaker 1: believe that all of us, as human beings, we have
Speaker 1: a right to complain about something. If something bothers you,
Speaker 1: you have a right to complain. But after you complain,
Speaker 1: do something. And there's too many of us that just
Speaker 1: just complain but don't do anything after we complain as men,
Speaker 1: as men, I think it's unmanly and and don't put
Speaker 1: any action behind it. I think it's unmanly, right, I think.
Speaker 1: I think it's unmanly. I think it's unmanly to not
Speaker 1: be a warrior, to not be a protector, to not
Speaker 1: be a provider. I think it's um I think it's
Speaker 1: unmanly to live upon a woman and expect a woman
Speaker 1: to take care of you. I think that's you know
Speaker 1: what I mean to do it. Let me say this, if,
Speaker 1: if if we allowed the system to tell continue to
Speaker 1: spoon feed us, they're gonna always be in the same
Speaker 1: condition that we're in. You know, father, you see what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And you know we want we want we
Speaker 1: want the right to do this, We want the right
Speaker 1: to do that. Why then do we still have to
Speaker 1: ask for and I could do some ship well, this
Speaker 1: should already be granted anyway. Why do are we still,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, givling and dabbling with this voting bill,
Speaker 1: and said, why are we still fighting for the right
Speaker 1: to vote? You know why every you know, a few
Speaker 1: years so you know, it comes back and we gotta
Speaker 1: ask for the right to vote. To you, you feel
Speaker 1: like this ship is getting sucked up, y'all. We gotta
Speaker 1: put what they gotta keep it that way to keep
Speaker 1: us in. Please if if they can't keep us in,
Speaker 1: please because they're already afraid that we're rowing in this
Speaker 1: country and black people shouldn't be where they are. McConnell,
Speaker 1: Mr McConnell is the biggest piece of ship in the Senate, y'all.
Speaker 1: I don't know if y'all pay attention to politics, but
Speaker 1: he's the be he's the biggest piece of ship, and
Speaker 1: he's the biggest piece in the Senate. Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: it's a whole bunch of you. He might be the
Speaker 1: biggest piece of ship. But all that man, those yeah,
Speaker 1: all of them meals. Man, ain't ain't none of them good.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, one one thing about the day
Speaker 1: about it. You know, they keep getting on Trump about
Speaker 1: this tech stuff, right, and I thought about the taxation
Speaker 1: in itself is as it should be against the law.
Speaker 1: It's horrible. You know when when when we first when
Speaker 1: when they came first came over here, you know, to
Speaker 1: America whatever and settled it. Right, wasn't that what they
Speaker 1: left England for them, trying to press them with the
Speaker 1: money and stuff. Then they turned around in the eight
Speaker 1: hundreds and did the same thing again because it's the
Speaker 1: time of war. You an't supposed to take taxes when
Speaker 1: it's time of war. That was the thing to support
Speaker 1: the war. But they kept it going because America has
Speaker 1: managed to keep herself in the state of war since then,
Speaker 1: around the world we somewhere fightings, and it allows them
Speaker 1: to keep taking all money. You think about it, I'm
Speaker 1: asking I'm gonna ask you all all this will how
Speaker 1: much have you paid them to the social Security system?
Speaker 1: I'll keep m brand how much have you played in
Speaker 1: the Social Security system? Millions and millions of dollars? Bro?
Speaker 1: You know, they take that money, they take that tax
Speaker 1: money that they get from you, and they and they
Speaker 1: advanced some of that money to your social security exactly. Man,
Speaker 1: over time, every time I get paid, they it's something
Speaker 1: going to Social Security. But check this out, though, right,
Speaker 1: I looked at some ship the other day, and he
Speaker 1: says that through my life, I've already accumulated enough credits
Speaker 1: to retire, right, but I'm not allowed to retire. I
Speaker 1: thought it was sixty. I looked on the stick. Sixty seven, okay,
Speaker 1: seven years old? Yeah, so I retire sixty seven years old.
Speaker 1: I don't give these people almost a little bit over
Speaker 1: half million dollars already, right, I don't give them all
Speaker 1: this money. I'll retire sixty seven? How long? How much longer?
Speaker 1: Let's keep it one hundred? How much past sixty? Am
Speaker 1: I gonna live ten years past sixty seven? If I'm
Speaker 1: lucky for a black man, it's like seventy years, and
Speaker 1: you've got five years after years after that. Man, that's
Speaker 1: the kids left over. Now that's the question. What are
Speaker 1: they gonna do with that money? I kill a little
Speaker 1: for I passed away? Are they gonna cut my wife
Speaker 1: and kids and check and say, here you go? Your
Speaker 1: father was honorable, man, here's the rest of his money. No,
Speaker 1: where did that ship go? It's all a con game, man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: money going back into the time and they go back
Speaker 1: to the park. But who's gonna be the person? It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, We're sit up here and talk well, and
Speaker 1: I don't like talking to me. I'm about action, Like you,
Speaker 1: what what can we do about this ship? We don't
Speaker 1: have no real strong leadership in the community. Man. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of ship that's really just going sideways. You know,
Speaker 1: I have uh you know, I take issue with like
Speaker 1: like leadership, like black leadership, like saying that we don't
Speaker 1: have lead ship. And the reason why I take issue
Speaker 1: with that is because if we if we focus on
Speaker 1: a leader, anytime we have somebody, we can say that's
Speaker 1: our leader, that's our leader. When they killed the leader,
Speaker 1: they take out the leader, then the movement dies. And
Speaker 1: see this our movement. This is why every time we
Speaker 1: get a movement going, you met, everybody get on a board. Okay,
Speaker 1: we got our leader, and then they take them down
Speaker 1: and then the movement just died. So every single one
Speaker 1: of us have leadership in us. We have We are
Speaker 1: capable of beauty, We are capable of leading. We just
Speaker 1: know of us who are capable. I wouldn't say all
Speaker 1: of us are capable of leading leading, because all of
Speaker 1: us are not capable of leading, but many of us
Speaker 1: are capable of leading. And that's leadership. All around us.
Speaker 1: It's just that the people that all our leaders are not,
Speaker 1: you know, raising their hands and saying I'm the leader.
Speaker 1: You know that they're not. You know, like you're a leader,
Speaker 1: You're a leader. You know. Mean there's people everybody right
Speaker 1: here I'm calling leading. You know, I know y'all leaders
Speaker 1: because I know I know a little bit about all y'all.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I know a little bit about all y'all,
Speaker 1: and everything that I've seen about y'all told me that
Speaker 1: y'all was a leader. You know, y'all not followers. Everybody
Speaker 1: over here is not fos. Everybody kind of moved to
Speaker 1: the their own be to their own draft. That's leadership.
Speaker 1: And we we just need more. You need more individuals
Speaker 1: to assume their role. Yeah, you know, you know where
Speaker 1: it starts too, you know, just to to get behind
Speaker 1: what we all are saying. Man, I think that we
Speaker 1: need to control that voting. Man. Once we control that
Speaker 1: vote and put the right people in place to make
Speaker 1: this for us, you know, start going a lot different. Man.
Speaker 1: Right now, we we we we're really checking the vote.
Speaker 1: For granted, if you get a motherucker like Willie D
Speaker 1: in the office, you're gonna see some changes, you know,
Speaker 1: like the office. You're don't see some changes, man, because
Speaker 1: yeah it has to be Will they allow that? I mean,
Speaker 1: but listen, they're gonna have to allow or they're gonna
Speaker 1: keep going through the they're going through. You got motherfucker's
Speaker 1: in there, has beens been sitting in Congress and send
Speaker 1: it for fifty years, bro, and they ain't did ship
Speaker 1: be sign their names and ship or pop up at
Speaker 1: a motherfucking funeral. Dog. That's not leadership, bro, Leadership We
Speaker 1: continue to take it for granted, like like like we're
Speaker 1: taking for granted. You're gonna go and work for this
Speaker 1: man and I'm gonna make me, you know, fifty five
Speaker 1: thousand dollars sixty thousand dollars a year and the person
Speaker 1: behind me and you'all no fucking job, but fuck him,
Speaker 1: I'm cool. That's not how we should be looking at
Speaker 1: things these days. Bro. We should be looking at man, Okay,
Speaker 1: I got the job that's goned pack the sixty year
Speaker 1: in a year, But how do I get the next
Speaker 1: man so he can take care of Now? That's what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about right there. That's why I answer the
Speaker 1: answer is uh, group group economics. That is once we
Speaker 1: build our economic system, we didn't you run it. This
Speaker 1: is how you run it. If you ain't got money
Speaker 1: in the United States of America, you ain't running up
Speaker 1: about your mind. You gotta have money, money running, money running,
Speaker 1: So you did it. This is why, this is why
Speaker 1: every major city in America you have these Asian communities
Speaker 1: that before they became Asian communities, they were just they
Speaker 1: may have been mixed communities or predominantly black communities or whatever.
Speaker 1: And you know, you ride by in the street is
Speaker 1: called bad at. You come through there a couple of
Speaker 1: years sold later or one day and you just ride
Speaker 1: by on the street is called slas slass. You know
Speaker 1: you didn't hear no news story about in the name
Speaker 1: of the street. They didn't have to get anybout of
Speaker 1: the march with no schools, celebrities came out with no
Speaker 1: special announcement. They just changed it. You know what, that's
Speaker 1: Monday money did money and make make money, make things move.
Speaker 1: He got a lot of us. We got the money,
Speaker 1: but we're not doing of this pool and our resources
Speaker 1: and reaching back to graph even more people and teach
Speaker 1: them the game. You know a lot of times people
Speaker 1: say the game and sold. I told no, we gotta
Speaker 1: tell the game, you know, because we said that the
Speaker 1: game is sold not too told to an extent, but
Speaker 1: a lot of this game needs to be told in
Speaker 1: order to bring our people along though, those of us
Speaker 1: who are seeking that knowledge that's first. First for that knowledge,
Speaker 1: we gotta give him the game. We can't afford. We
Speaker 1: don't have the luxury. And not giving them the game
Speaker 1: we out of here. Bro we had war and it's
Speaker 1: all his old book. We don't have the luxury. I'm
Speaker 1: not sharing the knowledge. We don't have the luxury. Are
Speaker 1: tapping that little youngster that might be a little wild
Speaker 1: and everybody is scared of them. We ain't got we
Speaker 1: don't have the luxury, not spent the purements and just
Speaker 1: trying to show them the different things. You don't have
Speaker 1: that luxing, don't. I think the problem is we don't
Speaker 1: talk about like what I'm in right here. We don't
Speaker 1: hear that. We don't hear people talking. They're saying, we
Speaker 1: need to get this back into schools and all it is.
Speaker 1: We need to educate these young kids because there's a
Speaker 1: lot of black men out there that have no clue,
Speaker 1: that only believes in what they see and what they do.
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. So, just like you said,
Speaker 1: we got to get out there and relay this message.
Speaker 1: But some of us don't want to hear this message.
Speaker 1: Some of us believe that there's no way that black
Speaker 1: men are black people can come together and and make
Speaker 1: ship happen. We we tell each other down, is what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So we got an other ways to build
Speaker 1: each other up. Our separates thing um pretty much everything.
Speaker 1: Because when when you hear black man greeting another black man,
Speaker 1: what's up with nigga? But then get man when the
Speaker 1: white man said, nigga, But what about how you doing?
Speaker 1: My brother? What's up black man? We need to greet
Speaker 1: each other and to different kind of way because we
Speaker 1: are stuck in something that we have no knowledge of,
Speaker 1: belief and understand it. When these people feeding us the
Speaker 1: other bullshit, you feel me? So what what what I'm
Speaker 1: saying to you is we need to grow. We need
Speaker 1: to understand and educate our minds. You don't have to
Speaker 1: necessarily being a school because the streets marksmitted the past marks,
Speaker 1: and if you can understand the ship that goes on
Speaker 1: in the streets, you can come in a classroom, you
Speaker 1: can go to work and you can spill that that
Speaker 1: knowledge right there, like like we're doing here on this podcast.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So what what black men
Speaker 1: need to do is understand what Scar Pacing really is
Speaker 1: talking about. What norm still have to argue what m
Speaker 1: c a Is saying. You know what I'm saying, our
Speaker 1: life history, the way we've been living as black people.
Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of black people don't care
Speaker 1: and hes you know what I'm saying about that game
Speaker 1: if everybody, everybody ain't gonna make it. Bill, we got
Speaker 1: to see the thing about one thing about us is
Speaker 1: that we in innately we're loving people. You know, we
Speaker 1: are we are forgiving people, right, Uh just its innately
Speaker 1: and historically we are forgiving people. And this is why
Speaker 1: we always and we are We feel like everything should
Speaker 1: be fair. Right, We're like, this is why we take
Speaker 1: on a lot of people's causes that don't take on
Speaker 1: our corpins. We see something happen to happening to another
Speaker 1: race or another group of people, and that they never
Speaker 1: fought for us, they never stood up for us. But
Speaker 1: we just that's not fair, that's not right. We just
Speaker 1: automatically waving their flag. We're just we're just riding for him.
Speaker 1: That is because we we got this concept that things
Speaker 1: are supposed to be fat. No, look, it ain't about fatness.
Speaker 1: It's about bending another person to your wheels, bending them
Speaker 1: to your weird What is it that you want? What
Speaker 1: is it that you need? They must comply. Ain't no
Speaker 1: other and the ain't no asking. Stop asking people and
Speaker 1: power to share power. They're not going to share it power.
Speaker 1: They didn't act for to share the power. They went
Speaker 1: and took it. So you gotta take power if you want.
Speaker 1: But everybody, everybody is not going to make it. Some
Speaker 1: some black people out they are poking up. They look
Speaker 1: black on the outside, but they're hite on the instide.
Speaker 1: And but they can get by a lot of times
Speaker 1: because what we would do. And it's some of them
Speaker 1: that are only social media platforms who are masquerading like
Speaker 1: social warriors. They are here acting like they're really for
Speaker 1: the people, but they really not. And this is how
Speaker 1: you can recognize. This is the easiest way to recognize it.
Speaker 1: If your criticism of the black community outwhere your contribution
Speaker 1: you want. It's a whole lot of them. All they do,
Speaker 1: all they do is touched it about black people. Oh,
Speaker 1: they might throw you off a little bit. This is
Speaker 1: what's confusing, because this is what they'll do to get
Speaker 1: you on that side. They'll be like, they'll say a
Speaker 1: couple of things that's true that everybody agreed to, Like
Speaker 1: all people say, yeah, that's uni universally that's true. For instance,
Speaker 1: you know, black people need to they need to stop
Speaker 1: with the black on black crime. Everybody. Yeah, man, that
Speaker 1: is I got a poem that too. Yeah, that's probably
Speaker 1: that's probably everybody like, yeah, yeah, right, um, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: well you know that there's a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: uh black people that uh that uh, you know, selling
Speaker 1: dope and we gotta stop selling dope while you sell
Speaker 1: dope and get more when over jail. Oh yeah that's right,
Speaker 1: Y's stop. Yeah man, yea, that is true. That is true.
Speaker 1: And then they go so they'll go light. They'll go
Speaker 1: light on a few things that are right at a
Speaker 1: universally right that nobody can dispute. And then they go
Speaker 1: pop heavy on throwing black people under the textbook Candice
Speaker 1: Bns textbook, Step and a skin textbook far all of them.
Speaker 1: They go top heavy on their criticism of the black community.
Speaker 1: They say something that's right, they might say, well not
Speaker 1: at all back, and then they start and after that
Speaker 1: they start generalizing. But we need to do better as
Speaker 1: a people. A big part of it is that we
Speaker 1: gotta get used to uh destroying, equistrating those coping nuts
Speaker 1: because the fairy thing was we gotta be okay and
Speaker 1: getting rid of and also the book of nuts who
Speaker 1: are going around shooting about making a neighborhood. I say,
Speaker 1: for the women and the children, their motherfucker's got go to.
Speaker 1: And some of them are my family members, fuck them,
Speaker 1: some up my from up from of them I do
Speaker 1: up there, fuck them, they got to go. The motherfucker's
Speaker 1: got to go. They're making my job that much harder
Speaker 1: every every day that will be allowed him to be
Speaker 1: comfortable in the neighborhood and this ride through and be
Speaker 1: dangerous in the neighborhood is it is still as I fight,
Speaker 1: I overall fight. It makes harder for us. It's like
Speaker 1: imagine if you were in a box, the rain and
Speaker 1: your and your appointment was in the front of you,
Speaker 1: and you were throwing punches and ship and the motherfucker
Speaker 1: behind your heads behind you. That's that that motherfucking come
Speaker 1: thenother you can see him because you know what you
Speaker 1: are about this. This is your announced the point right
Speaker 1: his motherfucker And I'm setting up with the band you
Speaker 1: but you got to feel don't want touches over Eve.
Speaker 1: You got this, you know, like you know. So that's
Speaker 1: what it's like, you know, being you know and in
Speaker 1: this space that we're in. You know, sure if we
Speaker 1: do not care for Will, Yeah, I'm gonna tell you,
Speaker 1: those white boys ain't playing it. They all here in Camelfornia, man,
Speaker 1: they're in the mountains. They gathered up their guns. They
Speaker 1: got their six year old daughter to the other shoot.
Speaker 1: They got their nine year old fund in the other shoot.
Speaker 1: And you know what we're doing. We're down here on
Speaker 1: the internet playing with each other, talking about each other,
Speaker 1: playing and playing and playing around while they up there
Speaker 1: getting ready and making cick top dance challenges and ship
Speaker 1: and video terk and shaking our ass all that old ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're down playing and they up there really getting ready.
Speaker 1: They got compounds where they don't put together, they got
Speaker 1: food stored up, they got water. They're getting ready for something.
Speaker 1: And we're out here playing. If we're not careful. And
Speaker 1: another thing, we're not looking at I was reading something.
Speaker 1: They were talking about this private prison. They were up
Speaker 1: twenty seven percent last year and made nine eight million
Speaker 1: dollars one prison, one prison. It's the new slavery because
Speaker 1: if they can take if they can take Monston, they
Speaker 1: can take months Ton and James Son, hey Son, Brad
Speaker 1: Soon and put in the prison. There are assets. They're
Speaker 1: looking this assets now we are being traded and I
Speaker 1: don't even know. It's just so much stuff. We all
Speaker 1: don't want to gonna change him. It's so much stuff
Speaker 1: that we shouldn't be mad about, that we should know about,
Speaker 1: but we're not seeing nothing. We had a guy on
Speaker 1: this show that um he was born cats out here
Speaker 1: on the you know expenci Resurgeon. They put this man
Speaker 1: in jail. They kept the stores open and lock them up.
Speaker 1: They put that's kidnapping. You're not. You don't charge somebody
Speaker 1: to something. You just come and grabbing us. Next day
Speaker 1: something what is that called? We're doing our das the
Speaker 1: day out here he was, he was, he was messing
Speaker 1: with the money very much. Guess we've got to get
Speaker 1: it together. Your come some music questions? You know my thing?
Speaker 1: Uh like no, we we try to conversate about about
Speaker 1: other things than hip hop or whatever. One thing I
Speaker 1: do want to say is something from that same background. Um,
Speaker 1: we see a lot of ships that go down with
Speaker 1: the youth today. It's hard to control, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm knowing they're rough down there where y'all
Speaker 1: add especially where we are up in Chicago. Uh, from
Speaker 1: where we come from in our background, you know. Uh,
Speaker 1: a lot of opportunities wasn't presented to us, especially to
Speaker 1: myself coming up you know whatever, why I started gang
Speaker 1: banging and doing that route. Uh being the man that
Speaker 1: you are today, you face whatever. How do y'all feel
Speaker 1: about when people say do you feel responsible? But how
Speaker 1: the youth turn out today because of them listening to
Speaker 1: us and what we went through as artists. Yeah, on
Speaker 1: a personal note, I feel like whatever criticism we get,
Speaker 1: we need to get credit also. We need to get
Speaker 1: credit for all of those all of those young black
Speaker 1: people and and Tino, black Latinos and and even white
Speaker 1: people who got it. We listened to our music and
Speaker 1: got inspired and went out there and made something great
Speaker 1: out of themselves. Like people love to talk about anything
Speaker 1: that's wrong with the youth, They love a point at
Speaker 1: rappers for for anything that's wrong. But when when their
Speaker 1: kid is shining, when their kids get that, get drafted
Speaker 1: into the NBA, NFL A, Major League Baseball or whatever,
Speaker 1: when their kids become a lawyer, doctor, scientist, an entrepreneur,
Speaker 1: they want to take all the credit. They look at me,
Speaker 1: look at me, that that's me, that's me, that's me.
Speaker 1: But but but when they when the kid comes become
Speaker 1: a fucking junkie, uh killer, you know h they end
Speaker 1: up in jail and they end up on the internet,
Speaker 1: working and bending over and shipping all that old ship.
Speaker 1: They want to blame that on rappers. Give me my
Speaker 1: motherfucking credit. When your kid get that degree, also get
Speaker 1: I want to if you're gonna give me, you're gonna
Speaker 1: criticize me for the music. When the kids out there
Speaker 1: sucking up, I won't create it. I won't up and
Speaker 1: the rappers won't create it. When your kids are out
Speaker 1: there doing great ship, we want our create its our ship.
Speaker 1: Now I have been said that I do believe that
Speaker 1: all of us, as arted, we have a responsibility, a
Speaker 1: greater responsibility than I even knew. When I was making
Speaker 1: the music. I really didn't understand how important. The message was.
Speaker 1: All I knew is that we're gonna put some information
Speaker 1: and instructions out here, information and influct you. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that something that some of the things that I said,
Speaker 1: uh would be would would actually uh not really benefit
Speaker 1: the community. I was because but my whole thing was
Speaker 1: always two uh, to be a voice for the voices,
Speaker 1: to try to be that dude that would say the
Speaker 1: ship and stand up to the powers that be get
Speaker 1: at the bullet like everybody else scared do it. I
Speaker 1: get him. You know what I'm saying, You're scared that motherfucker.
Speaker 1: I fight him, you know what, not just fight him
Speaker 1: with his ass, you know what I'm saying. Like That's
Speaker 1: always been my mentality. Like, so that's why I'm not
Speaker 1: afraid of the government. I'm not afraid of police officers.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not afraid of any gangster, anybody that
Speaker 1: got a bunch of money or whatever, got goons or whatever,
Speaker 1: because I operate with the understanding that anything that a
Speaker 1: man can do to me, I can do to him,
Speaker 1: and I will do it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I've always but I'm I'm I'm a nice guy,
Speaker 1: you know anybody that if you, if you really know me,
Speaker 1: you know I'm a nice guy. I'm a good guy,
Speaker 1: you know. And I do believe that that's one of
Speaker 1: the reasons when you still here to tell my story,
Speaker 1: because I was shown favor because I have a good heart.
Speaker 1: I was shown favor if I wasn't just a dusty
Speaker 1: ass dude, you know, and if I was a dude
Speaker 1: that just went in and just readab it on the community.
Speaker 1: I never gave back. I never tried to help anybody.
Speaker 1: You know. I don't think I would be in a
Speaker 1: position that I'm in today. But I said a lot
Speaker 1: of good seeds and that and and that's the reason
Speaker 1: why you know I'm still standing. You know. Well, I
Speaker 1: was gonna ask you because you mentioned the way you said.
Speaker 1: I hope his ask you ain't playing. He would have
Speaker 1: been a professional boxing hun. Yeah, but what I did,
Speaker 1: I did. I didn't have a few profiles, was that right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you was out there, I had a shifty rector
Speaker 1: that's three and one three one. But but the thing
Speaker 1: the thing about it is this, man, uh, I just
Speaker 1: started boxing too late. Like I think that when you
Speaker 1: start boxing, you should be hungry, like like like like
Speaker 1: literally hungry, right, like I ain't got when at the
Speaker 1: house when you know, we ain't got this or whatever,
Speaker 1: And I think you would come out like that and
Speaker 1: you're gonna be more hungry. Like when I started boxing,
Speaker 1: I was already into the money. When I professionally and
Speaker 1: I started walking professionally, I was already into the money.
Speaker 1: I was always I was already making wrap money and
Speaker 1: real estate money and stuff like that. So you know,
Speaker 1: when I leave the gym, I'm not coming home because
Speaker 1: to my girlfriend house and my some room and my
Speaker 1: mama's basement or whatever. I'm coming home to a fucking mansion.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's a difference. It's a
Speaker 1: big difference when you when you when you because because
Speaker 1: boxing there's a blood sport, type of sport. When you
Speaker 1: walk into the rain, you can lose your life, and
Speaker 1: you know it in the back of your head, and
Speaker 1: everybody like, not the funk would you do something like
Speaker 1: that to do that? You know that. It's hard to explain,
Speaker 1: but it's something think about whatever it is that really
Speaker 1: gets you off, Well, they're really really excites you. That's
Speaker 1: how That's how boxing was for me. It's exciting it's
Speaker 1: like when you're walking into that ring and it's like
Speaker 1: a warrior, you know, like ancient warrior, you know, room times.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, uh, it's like, uh, You're walking
Speaker 1: into the ring and people are looking at that thin
Speaker 1: and this these people over here for this guy, these
Speaker 1: people for this guy. You got people over here betting
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And you're walking into the ring
Speaker 1: and you know that Chris guy is gonna try to
Speaker 1: knock you out and your job is to is to
Speaker 1: hurt him, and you know, and in the back of
Speaker 1: your mind you're saying to yourself, I could actually die.
Speaker 1: I'm gon not walk out of this ring a lot.
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of like, in a way, it's kind
Speaker 1: of poetic at the same time, it's kind of sick.
Speaker 1: You know. It's kind of six Ship but you know, like, uh,
Speaker 1: but it's it's it's boxing though. It was just something man.
Speaker 1: I I just I love the ship out of it.
Speaker 1: And people that that that that do it, they know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. But everybody thought that I was
Speaker 1: gonna boxer when I wanted to Texas go to Lives Championship.
Speaker 1: Everybody thought, Okay, he's naturally gonna become a boxer, and
Speaker 1: and I was rapping around the same time. But I
Speaker 1: realized that I was really good at rapp and I
Speaker 1: was really good at boxing. The girls like rappers. The
Speaker 1: girls like boxes. The girls you get a lot of
Speaker 1: money wrapping, You can get a lot of money boxing.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, when I get
Speaker 1: through rapping, when I leave the studio or lead the stage,
Speaker 1: I ain't got no headaches. So that's how I chose
Speaker 1: over boxing because I was like, long term, I had
Speaker 1: Mohammad Ali in the back of my mind, like like
Speaker 1: what had happened to him? And I didn't want to
Speaker 1: be that dude. I remember here in New York City
Speaker 1: one then and I saw I Ran Barkley and I
Speaker 1: walked up behind him and I said, what's up? I
Speaker 1: ran it? Uh? And he said uh he uh. He
Speaker 1: looked back like in slow motion like this, he had
Speaker 1: to turn his whole body and he was like, uh,
Speaker 1: what's up? Will it d It's real story. Speech was
Speaker 1: really slurred and he had his last fact was maybe
Speaker 1: maybe two years before that. When I started that condition,
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I don't want to be that dude,
Speaker 1: you know, right, that's a brutal sport. You know, y'all
Speaker 1: got a new podcast coming up, man, right, Ghetto Boys
Speaker 1: reloaded what we're gonna get on there? Man? We get
Speaker 1: some more information and instructions. That's all we've ever been
Speaker 1: about that, all that music that we did. It was
Speaker 1: always okay, if we make a song and we finished, like, okay,
Speaker 1: where's the information, where's the instructions? If we don't hear
Speaker 1: the information, instruction like, go back to the grand board
Speaker 1: information and instructions. So that's what we're doing now. So
Speaker 1: this is more like a like an extension of other music,
Speaker 1: but more better in the podcast format. And you know,
Speaker 1: I got it. We got a few more minutes, man,
Speaker 1: So I gotta touch on some music. If I ask
Speaker 1: you the music questions do you do? Was gonna flood
Speaker 1: my embox. You had wie d on there and you
Speaker 1: ain't asking this a meth You know, how did you
Speaker 1: because I've never heard this before, how did you get hooked?
Speaker 1: Because you wasn't an original member of the Ghetto Boys
Speaker 1: at first it was it was pretty red and it
Speaker 1: was ready red juke box and Prince Unty c mm
Speaker 1: HM and uh prencio se which is the hell of
Speaker 1: a hell of a dude, you know, the hell of
Speaker 1: a hell of a writer, underrated out of New Jersey.
Speaker 1: So what happened was I signed to Wrap a Lout
Speaker 1: as a solo artist. After I was there for a
Speaker 1: few months. A couple of months, so I finished my
Speaker 1: album and Jay came to me one night and he
Speaker 1: was like, man, I got an idea, and what you
Speaker 1: think about being a ghetto boy? And I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be in a rude. I snapped
Speaker 1: that ship out like I shot it down, real thing.
Speaker 1: But I don't want to be in the group. Man,
Speaker 1: I don't want be a group. And and I'm saying
Speaker 1: this because I'm I'm an odd person. So I look
Speaker 1: at stuff, I look at scenarios and what's most likely
Speaker 1: to happen, and I move a lot on most likely scenarios.
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, if I joined the group,
Speaker 1: most likely to happen, what's most likely happened is that
Speaker 1: we're gonna break up. It's gonna be allowed with a
Speaker 1: lot of drama and ship like all of these groups
Speaker 1: I've seen in the past. How you look at the
Speaker 1: greatest groups, the Temptations, the Supremes, you know, Smoking Robinson
Speaker 1: and the Miracles, all of them. You know, they broke up.
Speaker 1: You know, wrote was strong with all of them, broke
Speaker 1: up and out. I don't like investing in something and
Speaker 1: not doing the distance. Like if I funk with Jump
Speaker 1: stuff with you, I don't. I don't understand that people
Speaker 1: who put a limitation on large, I don't and that
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't believe in large to have the
Speaker 1: inspiration day. So this is why I funked with to
Speaker 1: this day. You know, like me and Jay, we don't
Speaker 1: pick it like we used to. But if Jake called
Speaker 1: me right now and said, well we won't what you
Speaker 1: need to do, bro, I'm saying that's me, you know, say,
Speaker 1: don't matter how much I give, but ha far alone,
Speaker 1: that don't matter because anyboda. So so for me, you know,
Speaker 1: so Ja came to me and he was like, man,
Speaker 1: you know, he was like he was trying to convince me.
Speaker 1: And then I was like and then he was like
Speaker 1: do it for me. I was like, somebody, they didn't
Speaker 1: go to stoopid this ship, because that's that's that's simple
Speaker 1: statement through it. For me, I could refuse because this
Speaker 1: dude was investing in my dream. Nobody else in the
Speaker 1: planet was doing it. Nobody else on the planet was
Speaker 1: doing that. He was putting up the money. It's a
Speaker 1: lot of people can cheer and and you know and
Speaker 1: pop me up and all that ship. But you know,
Speaker 1: he was gonna put the money up. He was putting
Speaker 1: the money up. So when he said like that, I
Speaker 1: was like, all right, and then I'm thinking the back
Speaker 1: of my mind, you know, plus okay, that's two spects
Speaker 1: instead of one. Right, So I wrote, uh, do it
Speaker 1: like a geo? That was the first Getto Boys thronging room.
Speaker 1: I won't do it like a geo? And I wrote
Speaker 1: let ahobi U let a whole bie home. One of
Speaker 1: my classes. You were like the Geo classes, But that's
Speaker 1: one of the classes. When I wrote those two songs,
Speaker 1: those was gonna be Geto Boys song. He asked me
Speaker 1: to write hold on, I'm going too fast, let me
Speaker 1: back up. Before he asked me to join the group,
Speaker 1: he asked me to write for the group. M So
Speaker 1: I was gonna I wrote those two songs for the
Speaker 1: new Geto Boys our with the old group. I wasn't.
Speaker 1: He comes back to me and say, man, that's when
Speaker 1: he come back to me and say, I don't know,
Speaker 1: we can sow later. Man, I got this idea, why
Speaker 1: don't you be you know what you think about being
Speaker 1: to get Over boy? And that's right now now now.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I agreed to be in the group. And
Speaker 1: uh because when he let his people listened to those
Speaker 1: two songs, he was like, man, yeah, this is it
Speaker 1: was going crazy or this is the direction we're trying
Speaker 1: to take the group in because before that, you listened
Speaker 1: to the Peri Curtist to Get Over Us album. You know,
Speaker 1: you know it's you can see a kind of run
Speaker 1: their feet type nine right exactly. They got the you know,
Speaker 1: the the hats on the gold chain black, you know
Speaker 1: kind of run DMC thing with Jay wanted to be
Speaker 1: more authentic to Houston. He wants more authentic to the South,
Speaker 1: like we got a different style. We we all we
Speaker 1: all have basically the same plight, uh, but we have
Speaker 1: Uh that's some cultural differences based on where you are,
Speaker 1: what you can at the country you're head right, where
Speaker 1: neighborhood you live in. That are something cultural differences and
Speaker 1: Jay wanted to uh explore those differences. So that's what happened.
Speaker 1: He wanted to I guess a better world would be
Speaker 1: explore those differences. But he wanted to explore those differences.
Speaker 1: And uh so when I come out with to do
Speaker 1: it like a do you know I'm back like the
Speaker 1: wether making trug. I'm in the stass and kicking ass
Speaker 1: in the devil. No motherfucker live gonna stop me, so
Speaker 1: funk when you goddamn posse, it's time to step on
Speaker 1: some mother Yeah, fuck them. Hold coach, ain't playing our songs.
Speaker 1: I want to know what the hell going on? I
Speaker 1: meant that ship out like in New York j like
Speaker 1: beat that motherfucker head because we're playing the ship. We're
Speaker 1: playing all of this New York ship. We ain't never
Speaker 1: hate we if it's ship is jam and we funk
Speaker 1: with it. So we're playing New York ship while y'all
Speaker 1: not playing ship. Give me more call ready and stuff
Speaker 1: that I could ask. And the motherfuck New York is
Speaker 1: well again. So let the ego sheet in. You know,
Speaker 1: we all we we acknowledge that we recommend New York
Speaker 1: is will be doing. But let the ship. Let the
Speaker 1: ego she in. So with that song, that song, if
Speaker 1: you listen to that song, that song was touched on
Speaker 1: the whole, not your issues, and I just wanted to
Speaker 1: touch on all the issues that uh that we relevant,
Speaker 1: you know to trying to navigate through this life and
Speaker 1: dealing with all the stuff that you the angst that
Speaker 1: you deal with, you know, being inside of a black
Speaker 1: buy you know, like black red is being this own,
Speaker 1: not by the other folks, but its own. Uh. The said,
Speaker 1: let me see, the black man the year is being
Speaker 1: his own, not by the others, but its own. Uh
Speaker 1: damn the drawing the blank. But anyway, the bottom line
Speaker 1: was that I was saying that how black radio A
Speaker 1: lot of black radio stations at the time was not
Speaker 1: playing black black wrappers. It wasn't playing rap music. Man.
Speaker 1: It was like, no, that ain't cool, you know, like
Speaker 1: that's like a lot of clube wasn't playing rap music
Speaker 1: back then. A lot of R and D plays wasn't
Speaker 1: playing rap music. They probed it was black people just
Speaker 1: like in l A. I know this was happening in
Speaker 1: l A too. They were black people that used to
Speaker 1: pride themselves or not listening to rap music like to
Speaker 1: that they thought they it was almost like they thought
Speaker 1: that was special that they didn't listen to rap music.
Speaker 1: You know, they thought there was They thought it was
Speaker 1: some type of degree or some ship listening to rap music. Hey,
Speaker 1: here you go check this out. You know. So my
Speaker 1: eyehole thing was like, man, this ship right here, it's
Speaker 1: going to be the vehicle that drive us straight up
Speaker 1: by the poverty. And so anybody that get in the
Speaker 1: way of this journey if they're gonna get red in
Speaker 1: the funk over. We had DJs who would not play
Speaker 1: the music. So you know, I was like an original
Speaker 1: rap lot doing walk up to the DJ, Yo, man
Speaker 1: play the song. I don't know. I mean, I can't
Speaker 1: play that. You know, I can't play this is all
Speaker 1: right because I can't play that. Man, get fined and
Speaker 1: you want to get fired, you like, you want to
Speaker 1: lose your job and you want to lose your teeth.
Speaker 1: It's simple broke, Like I'm serious. Like so a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't even understand that they eating because of
Speaker 1: the efforts that we put it in. Like, we really
Speaker 1: took some penitential chances to get this music played right.
Speaker 1: And I understand, you know, and I understand that that
Speaker 1: is music got that didn't really benefit the coaching, really
Speaker 1: set us bank and all that. But I don't believe
Speaker 1: that we ever made that type of music. I think
Speaker 1: if you listen to our kid objectively, you know, I
Speaker 1: think that you're gonna get a whole lot more Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, information and instructions to help you navigate through this,
Speaker 1: through this, through this, uh, this maze, this, this weird
Speaker 1: as s place that we live in. Then you then
Speaker 1: you would not Yeah, and you was responsible too for
Speaker 1: a big, major part group. You told bush with the
Speaker 1: rep right. Yeah, Well when Bushwick the Crate the Trip.
Speaker 1: Part about it is that me and bush Wood had
Speaker 1: got into a you know, u a situation, you know,
Speaker 1: and the Bill was already red rap a Lot and
Speaker 1: we got into that situation. So I come in later
Speaker 1: and signed the rapp a Lot. So we're really picking it,
Speaker 1: ang kick it or nothing like that. But he's around.
Speaker 1: He's ain't go around. So when we got ready to
Speaker 1: make the album, we go out to the ranch, Jay Ranch,
Speaker 1: and Bill is hanging out. Bill is in the car,
Speaker 1: he's in the van. We dropped out. He hanging out.
Speaker 1: We're going out to make the Ripe for the first time.
Speaker 1: The first day that we went to gonna make the Roocket,
Speaker 1: it's the same day that I met Brod. I met
Speaker 1: him on the first day that we got the record.
Speaker 1: M Hm, Jukebox, he he's gonna be in the group.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be Me, Brad and juke Box as the
Speaker 1: three mcs and ready read the DJ. No, we wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna have nobody else in the group at all the day.
Speaker 1: But Bill is hanging out in the studio and about
Speaker 1: one day after the first day of recording, first a
Speaker 1: second day, juke Box get some information where some personal
Speaker 1: information that makes him make the decision that he, uh,
Speaker 1: he can't be in the group anymore. He don't want
Speaker 1: to be in the group. I think it was stuff
Speaker 1: situation about having a baby on the way or something
Speaker 1: like that. This music ship wasn't woken out, so he
Speaker 1: put the group. Mm hmm. So builders hanging out in
Speaker 1: the studio, get hanging out with a fart in lapping
Speaker 1: public end, Yes, the rhythm the weather without a pause
Speaker 1: and Lord and my Lover. He's rapping like that. You
Speaker 1: know when I look at him and a light come on,
Speaker 1: I say, man, I said, man, let's put Bush Week
Speaker 1: in the group. Everybody started laughing. I say, you see,
Speaker 1: that's what everybody else gonna do. They're gonna laugh until
Speaker 1: they hit this gangstad and shoot him the right. That's
Speaker 1: so I asked Jake if I write this form and
Speaker 1: he do with? Is he in the group? And Jay like,
Speaker 1: oh no, man, Bill, what you think? So Bill like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I can try. I took Bill
Speaker 1: into the kitchen, we said, at the breakfast table. I
Speaker 1: asked them some questions about it and stuff, and I
Speaker 1: embellished it with what I thought it might be like
Speaker 1: to walk in and shoes and I overside and ship.
Speaker 1: Three days later he recorded it. You know, he practiced
Speaker 1: it for three days and on that third day he
Speaker 1: recorded it and ship. After that it was on since now,
Speaker 1: if you listen to that first album, Bill is only
Speaker 1: on like four songs that he was moving. We had.
Speaker 1: It was under these strict time constraints, and we did.
Speaker 1: We got him in that just enough to textualize him
Speaker 1: as a member of the group. And so uh, that's
Speaker 1: how he became with Bill recorded. He didn't even have
Speaker 1: a contract. That's crazy. He didn't. He didn't even have
Speaker 1: a contract when he recorded that album. But we we
Speaker 1: knocked that album out in ten days album to get
Speaker 1: the only song that we had already was. Uh, we
Speaker 1: had a shell of the scarf Face song. You know
Speaker 1: that song, scarf Face. We had a shell of that
Speaker 1: song and really ready put some stuff from popive and
Speaker 1: just took that thing out into the stats field because
Speaker 1: I was really with the Scarface. We heard them, because
Speaker 1: that's when he made the transition from his name being
Speaker 1: DJ Action the scar Face after that, right, but now
Speaker 1: now now he changed, He went acting the scarf Face
Speaker 1: when he went solo. Mm hm. After we did after
Speaker 1: we did the first album together, we did a remake
Speaker 1: put out in nineteen ninety with Rick Ruby. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: level album. Yeah, and then then it was the we
Speaker 1: Can't Be Stopped Alving. Actually is when he changed the name,
Speaker 1: because his solo came like a couple of months after
Speaker 1: the We Can't Be Stopped Alving. That's that's the album
Speaker 1: with the non trick Suner so his so so he
Speaker 1: came with a solo about two three months after that,
Speaker 1: and so that's how that happened. All right, Phyllis, let's
Speaker 1: pay some bills real quick. We'll be right back, yeah man, Yo.
Speaker 1: Definitely man our major major contributors to hip hop culture
Speaker 1: because I remember and it's crazy for me to say,
Speaker 1: because I ain't that much younger than you at all,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I literally grew up
Speaker 1: listening to the Ghetto boys, and when I listened to
Speaker 1: the Ghetto boys, I saw what the fifth ward was,
Speaker 1: and that was what hip hop being for me back then.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna keeping in Cleveland, right and so
Speaker 1: I'm listening to get boys. My boys in the car.
Speaker 1: We slipped it like this, We all there, you know,
Speaker 1: got pistols in the car and everything. You know, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And I said, man, this is
Speaker 1: what Texas is like. When I heard in the w A,
Speaker 1: I said, Okay, this is what Kelly is like. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's what compan like. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So it definitely gave you that that field. Man,
Speaker 1: I caught like to call it like it was a
Speaker 1: real visual to it, you know what I mean, animated
Speaker 1: eight know that better than anybody, because that that ship
Speaker 1: that he did was so fucking graphic, like like you
Speaker 1: could picture. He paid. He was he don't get enough
Speaker 1: credit for painting pictures. When he rapped. He paid pictures.
Speaker 1: You can see Chip you like walking with him like
Speaker 1: you were listening to his ship, you'd be like, if
Speaker 1: you think we all we all to do this at
Speaker 1: want to go, Well, you ain't try that one of
Speaker 1: the podcast dropping bro Money Day this Monday. Man, it's
Speaker 1: still heard that man. So what I want you to do? Man,
Speaker 1: we gotta we got a few people actually listening to
Speaker 1: this show. Man. So what I want you to do?
Speaker 1: I need all y'all to go out there right now.
Speaker 1: Go to all iTunes, go to Spotify, whatever your favor
Speaker 1: the platform meals, man, and find their new podcast man
Speaker 1: to get on boys, reloaded, get on board. Yes, indeed
Speaker 1: absolutely man. And we appreciate you, man, We appreciate Scarface.
Speaker 1: I think it's his phone tropped. He kept clicking out
Speaker 1: of clicking in man, But we appreciate your brothers coming
Speaker 1: on man. And I had to call I had to
Speaker 1: call Brad later when when when we get off, I
Speaker 1: hate em up and see what he up to? You know,
Speaker 1: that's that's here, you know how to tour with your
Speaker 1: ganger places. You know. You know that's Brad for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. And and he going through it. I got told.
Speaker 1: I told another day man, I really can't say too
Speaker 1: much ship right now because you know you're going through it,
Speaker 1: so I can you know, like you know, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: like all right, right, give him a little pass a
Speaker 1: little bit, little pass the ball. You wait till you
Speaker 1: get mother. I'm gonna be on his egg. That's right,
Speaker 1: that's the job always. Yeah, man, I know one thing, Will,
Speaker 1: I don't want to get you all on here and
Speaker 1: talk about a bunch of music because people, you know,
Speaker 1: for the most part, you know your history, your brothers,
Speaker 1: and that's what I was telling change. Really, I said, man,
Speaker 1: these brothers got a lot of ship to say about
Speaker 1: issues that's going on. So you know what, we definitely
Speaker 1: got to have you back on his motherfuck again, dogs
Speaker 1: all were ain't enough, you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: wanted to hear about how they came with the Mind
Speaker 1: Playing Tricks on Yeah, back to back in my cadil. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's to me. I give you, I give you a
Speaker 1: long story shot from so Brad, My Mind Playing Tricks
Speaker 1: was a scar faced record, and initially Brad brought that
Speaker 1: song to the table. Brag heard is Brad was in
Speaker 1: the house with his grandmother and his grandmother his grandmother
Speaker 1: had misplaced something and she said, you know, what did
Speaker 1: I do with such such such And I can't finding
Speaker 1: my mind playing tricks something. So Brad Brad catching light
Speaker 1: bulk come on. So he writes a song, my mind
Speaker 1: playing tricks something. He wrote three verses. If you listen
Speaker 1: to the song Brad got to he's the only one
Speaker 1: that has two verses verses and Bill have one verse.
Speaker 1: I got one verse. He gave Bill his third verse,
Speaker 1: and I wrote my verse. So you know, if it
Speaker 1: was today, we probably just would have just used those
Speaker 1: three verses and said that's cool. But I grew up
Speaker 1: in an era where you write your own set. If
Speaker 1: you didn't write your own SIPs, he was a real roup.
Speaker 1: Write my own ship. I don't want this verse. I
Speaker 1: want my own ship and write my own ship. So
Speaker 1: that's how that came about. But you know, it was
Speaker 1: brilliant number one for Brad to come up with the
Speaker 1: song first and farmost it's not even it don't happen
Speaker 1: without his you know, without his his genius, it don't happen.
Speaker 1: And then it was double brilliant, brilliant for Jada say,
Speaker 1: I think this is a deal better ghetto boy out
Speaker 1: better director. You know, this is cool, but I think
Speaker 1: it'd be better if it was a gettle boy. And
Speaker 1: if you listen to it and you see that you
Speaker 1: hear the different you hear the different personalities each of
Speaker 1: us take you to a different place. You know you're
Speaker 1: hearing uh you know the parianalia you mean, uh, mental
Speaker 1: health infused. Uh that that's a there's a certain amount
Speaker 1: of uh uh this this longerty that you hear that stuff.
Speaker 1: All of that stuff is laced throughout that song, and
Speaker 1: you get it and it takes you to different levels.
Speaker 1: So uh, when we did the song, James, I, I
Speaker 1: just did the song and left it alone. I didn't
Speaker 1: think the song. I had no idea of the song
Speaker 1: would even be close to doing it. I didn't think
Speaker 1: the song was a fucking great song. I thought it
Speaker 1: was a good song. But I also thought the other
Speaker 1: eleven songs on the album with good songs. Because when
Speaker 1: I make music, when I write a song, I don't
Speaker 1: try to write hits. I try to write classes. I
Speaker 1: just try to write a song that you're never gonna forget.
Speaker 1: So the consumer decides what's gonna be a hit based
Speaker 1: on based on stairs. I got control of what's gonna
Speaker 1: be a classic by what I put into that song,
Speaker 1: pour into the song, I decide if it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a classic or now. So that's all I do with
Speaker 1: every single song. I just pour into it. Whether I'm
Speaker 1: talking about you know, riding on what I'm saying, the
Speaker 1: k k k uh, my mind's playing tricks on me.
Speaker 1: Uh hey, watch having the ball it hold? You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm gonna pull everything into that song
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna make it a classic. That's the way
Speaker 1: I operate, right. So I didn't know the song was
Speaker 1: gonna do what it did. I just got I did
Speaker 1: the song and left it alone and kept moving forward.
Speaker 1: And then we we did our when we did I
Speaker 1: test run, but we when we let people listen to
Speaker 1: the songs and they decide which ones they like. Everybody
Speaker 1: was like, well, I like the whole album, yeah, but
Speaker 1: you point you like the most. It's hard if you
Speaker 1: had you from the pick and it was a life
Speaker 1: of that situation, which one of these songs that you picked,
Speaker 1: and everybody kept going back to my playing trick. And
Speaker 1: even then I didn't think it was a great song.
Speaker 1: I was just like, with that's where we're going with that? Cool?
Speaker 1: Because I I do a song and I don't care
Speaker 1: how good he is. I started focusing on me. I
Speaker 1: got I don't like really just bask and you know,
Speaker 1: arrest on my lords. So I just kept it moving.
Speaker 1: And then next thing, you know, man, they said it
Speaker 1: to radio man, and we didn't have to go through
Speaker 1: the whole that regular process of going through the mix
Speaker 1: and getting added and this is that nothing. It was
Speaker 1: like day one. Picky spans a week on every radio
Speaker 1: station across the nation, and and they played it for
Speaker 1: six months straight that that That song was called a phoner.
Speaker 1: It's what it's called a phone radio. A phoner is
Speaker 1: a song that make the phone ring a lot the phone.
Speaker 1: And every song that you if that phone ring, it
Speaker 1: was more than likely people are acquinting to request that song.
Speaker 1: That's a phone And I'm gonna tell you something that
Speaker 1: was crazy about that song. And you didn't have a
Speaker 1: hook on it, right, I didn't have a hook. He
Speaker 1: was just there. I mean we didn't. We weren't really,
Speaker 1: We wasn't really big on hooks back then and our
Speaker 1: day though, we really weren't. We just just put the
Speaker 1: song out, just put the verse out, talk to the people,
Speaker 1: and keep it moving. To the next. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to think about no hook to keep you happy or whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I'm gonna tell you something to describe
Speaker 1: what's going on, and we're gonna keep it moving. Yeah. Yeah, feeling.
Speaker 1: It's a feeling with whether you put us hook in
Speaker 1: the song or not, the words, whether you put because
Speaker 1: it has it is a hook. The music is the hook,
Speaker 1: but it's but it's a it's a feeling, whether you
Speaker 1: put lyrics in that space or not. And so we
Speaker 1: got a few songs like that, uh one stuff. Man,
Speaker 1: he's just you know, you looked at them. It's almost
Speaker 1: like a songs the melody actually talks to you. The
Speaker 1: music speaks. It's like it's talking. It's like the music, guy,
Speaker 1: like the music come alive. The melody comes alive. It's
Speaker 1: talking to me. And that's a that's that's what I
Speaker 1: mean by the melody coming alive and actually talking to you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that was That was then all time class man.
Speaker 1: It was a classic. And Will just got one more question,
Speaker 1: are we giving you more with you the albums? Man?
Speaker 1: You know, I like to really do something because you know,
Speaker 1: once an artist, always an artist. I don't care what
Speaker 1: eight say. He canna always do artist and he always
Speaker 1: gonna really been the back of mynd. I want to
Speaker 1: do one more, you know I should, That's gonna always
Speaker 1: been on your mind. So I for me, For me,
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm like, as much as I want
Speaker 1: to be one, and I got some great ideas, but
Speaker 1: I don't want it to fall on deaf ears. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to just go in and make an
Speaker 1: album because doesn't cost money, and it costs. It costs money,
Speaker 1: and it costs time to make these records, and I
Speaker 1: don't want to just make do something like that. I
Speaker 1: don't want to just make a record just the chips
Speaker 1: and give us I want if I make the record,
Speaker 1: I spend my time and my money and my effort.
Speaker 1: I want people to hear it. And we're in a
Speaker 1: we're in a We're in an age right now where
Speaker 1: favor is not given to the best stuff. I feel like,
Speaker 1: I do believe that that this generation is the first
Speaker 1: generation of music lovers who are not going to experience
Speaker 1: the best that that generation has to offer. Now, they're
Speaker 1: gonna have thumbs experiences. You know, there's always gonna be
Speaker 1: a few artists, but there's always gonna be stun But
Speaker 1: a lot of artists in this generation don't want to
Speaker 1: play the game. They got good stuff. They don't want
Speaker 1: to do moble wrap. They don't want to be mindless stuff.
Speaker 1: They don't want to. They don't want to. They don't
Speaker 1: want to talk about killing black men. They don't want
Speaker 1: to do that. So they they might make music and
Speaker 1: they just make music at home, or they're just gonna
Speaker 1: get a job someone and just say fucking you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not doing this, you know. And so
Speaker 1: even even on the R and B side of things,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, they don't want to make music because
Speaker 1: a lot of the R and B artists ain't really
Speaker 1: talking about nothing. They there's no substance. So a lot
Speaker 1: don't want to play the game. They just don't want
Speaker 1: to play the game. So I believe that when we
Speaker 1: came out, if you was dope, when you was just
Speaker 1: a dope, ask MC, it was gonna be hard if
Speaker 1: you cant get on, If you were spoken and returning
Speaker 1: to get up on, you're gonna be able to get
Speaker 1: in front of somebody and then he was gonna get
Speaker 1: put on. Now not so much, they're like you'd be like, yes,
Speaker 1: saying something you doke, you're saying some do and they'd
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, man, but ship man, you ain't. You
Speaker 1: ain't killed with old people in the song man I
Speaker 1: need who he raised you by the count. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: said you ain't sipping. You ain't popping enough pills or
Speaker 1: sipping enough. We do some ship you ain't got on
Speaker 1: enough choke chains or some ship. Something's going on. So
Speaker 1: why y'all don't get together the old school and y'all
Speaker 1: push something together and show these cats that you don't
Speaker 1: have to talk about murdering your people on the show
Speaker 1: and you're good goddamn party and so. But but but
Speaker 1: that that that's happening all around us. It's just that
Speaker 1: the people like us who talk that ship that's safe,
Speaker 1: why y'all won't do it? You know, we need to
Speaker 1: come out and do it. So they like, but we're
Speaker 1: not buying the records they just talked. They weren't by
Speaker 1: the records, and they're not going to the concerts. So
Speaker 1: it's not even sustainable for the artists to go out
Speaker 1: there and spend that money and spend that time. Because
Speaker 1: the people like us, we talk a lot of ships
Speaker 1: our generation, we always talking ship, but we don'ta back
Speaker 1: it up. Our ask is we're gonna we we get
Speaker 1: ready to listen to me. We're gonna going there, put
Speaker 1: us off from them down. C D. Stick that ship
Speaker 1: in the car. You're gonna be looking for somewhere to
Speaker 1: play the damn CD. You you gotta you got a
Speaker 1: CD player in your car? You okay, come on, come on,
Speaker 1: come on, you know, because they already think they got
Speaker 1: the PST music. They don't think any better music can
Speaker 1: ever be made again. So we already got that music,
Speaker 1: and they're not buying records, they're not buying the screen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a few people do it, but it's not enough people
Speaker 1: that's doing it to make it feasible or eating for practical,
Speaker 1: for artists to going there and spend that kind of
Speaker 1: time and money and resources. It's it's not there. It's
Speaker 1: too big of a risk, right, It's too big of
Speaker 1: a risk. So that's why a lot of artists just
Speaker 1: gon't do it. For me, I'm at a I'm at
Speaker 1: a stage in my life where time is everything to me.
Speaker 1: I have to it. I look at everything that I
Speaker 1: do based on quality. Okay, I got this so much
Speaker 1: time and a back. I'm gonna spend this much time
Speaker 1: throwing into my businesses. I'm gonna spend this much time sleeping.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna spend this much time if I if I
Speaker 1: get a break, I'm gonna shoot over here and gonna
Speaker 1: see my aunt at the conversacing home, or sit on
Speaker 1: the porch with my brothers and drink have a drink
Speaker 1: or something, or you know, I'm a hang out with
Speaker 1: this this woman, you know, for a moment or whatever,
Speaker 1: and then I'm back at it. It was like if
Speaker 1: if I'm, if I'm and when it comes it's like
Speaker 1: like doing things that costs me to invest money. In
Speaker 1: my mind, I'm like, how is this money gonna come
Speaker 1: back to me? If I go fit me out there
Speaker 1: for it to be worth my time, I got the
Speaker 1: at least double upon it. I gotta leave it for
Speaker 1: they to be worth my time. So I'm I'm not
Speaker 1: doing it like that, like I gotta get it back,
Speaker 1: Like how I'm gonna get this money back, any money
Speaker 1: that I put out, any money I put out. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at how do I get this money back? You know,
Speaker 1: if I get on the tree, if I get on
Speaker 1: the plane and I go to l level for ten
Speaker 1: days and I spent fifteen twenty racks. I gotta I
Speaker 1: gotta know while I mean I'm there, that I got
Speaker 1: you know, uh thirty or farty rack coming in while
Speaker 1: I'm out there. I'm not gonna just I'm not going
Speaker 1: backwards brough, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, the backwards
Speaker 1: days is over with long Well, man, we appreciate your
Speaker 1: big dog and we definitely gonna have you on here again, man,
Speaker 1: because you are so first issues. I follow you on
Speaker 1: social media. Man, I'm a big fan and I saw
Speaker 1: maybe and a lot of people don't know will you
Speaker 1: was on this podcast stuff early? Right right? You use
Speaker 1: on the podcast thing early? You know what the trip
Speaker 1: part about it? And I'm gonna say this, this is
Speaker 1: important for people to hear. When I first got on
Speaker 1: the podcast and the podcast space was ninety of what
Speaker 1: was was twenty uh seventeen, I think seen and no
Speaker 1: other artists who had names like who was branded was
Speaker 1: on doing in that space? Right? And when I got
Speaker 1: into that were the detractors, the haters, the ones who
Speaker 1: don't really want to see you win. They were making
Speaker 1: us slot comments like yeah, how you go for me?
Speaker 1: And ghetto boys to do who drew and fun of it, right,
Speaker 1: But I saw a vision. I was like, this is
Speaker 1: the future, Like this ship right here, this ship is
Speaker 1: the future. And I was like, I'm for the jumping
Speaker 1: this ship right now. So I had to put my
Speaker 1: heart line his own and do it just like this here.
Speaker 1: And I'm starting come around at boom boom boom. You know.
Speaker 1: Uh So I was like building it at that time,
Speaker 1: and I'm seeing it growing. And then I get to
Speaker 1: a point where I get it to six figures a month.
Speaker 1: And now a little bit later, okay, you got the
Speaker 1: pandemic hit. Then all of a sudden, artists, ball playing,
Speaker 1: a lot of people that make spotty income started getting
Speaker 1: into that space. But I already had like a three
Speaker 1: or four year jump on it. I was already here.
Speaker 1: So now now it's cool to your YouTube. It's cool
Speaker 1: to have a YouTube channel, you know, it's cool to
Speaker 1: be in the podcast space. That's cool ship now. But
Speaker 1: when I first started doing it, you know, you had
Speaker 1: some people that try to attach a stigma to it, right,
Speaker 1: But I've always been the kind of dude I've been.
Speaker 1: I've never been afraid to diversify. I've never been afraid
Speaker 1: to invent myself and so, uh, you know when I
Speaker 1: make these moves, I just look at it like I'm
Speaker 1: always like trying to play long ball? What's the long ball? Like?
Speaker 1: How do I how do how do how do I
Speaker 1: make this thing work long term? And and and keep
Speaker 1: it going? So when you when you when you're trying
Speaker 1: to do something, especially anybody that is doing something right now,
Speaker 1: trying to get something going. You got something going and
Speaker 1: it's popping, and all of a sudden, these sucker Hayden
Speaker 1: fun Boys come out of nowhere trying to attack you.
Speaker 1: They're attacking you out of jealousy. They won't your spot.
Speaker 1: It's like it's that always staying like lines don't really
Speaker 1: pay a lot of attention, you know, right, like the
Speaker 1: kittens right there, fucking kitten. You know, the lion is
Speaker 1: moving forward. We don't even think about these kittens behind us,
Speaker 1: But if they get close enough, I will by the
Speaker 1: by the patch of meat at your ass, you're closing.
Speaker 1: But a lot of these casts, but they know that
Speaker 1: and they try to They use the Internet like the
Speaker 1: Internet is like like like the new phone. Right, the
Speaker 1: Internet is like remember back in the back in the
Speaker 1: day on the phone. Somebody want to talk ship they call.
Speaker 1: Y'all know, I'm gonna kick your ass. You don't know
Speaker 1: this up is but he won't. But he won't. He won't.
Speaker 1: You We meet man's ups up and you you felt
Speaker 1: around fall asleep waiting on this spool, you know. But
Speaker 1: that's how the internet is. Man. Whole bunch of buster
Speaker 1: is a bunch of suppers who stay things that they
Speaker 1: would never say to a man's face. But but if
Speaker 1: you're gonna be in this space, you gotta put your
Speaker 1: blinders on and then and get what you want, what
Speaker 1: you gotta get out of Yeah, the show, because you
Speaker 1: man predate everybody. Man. And again, we appreciate having you
Speaker 1: on here, big dog. Absolutely, I appreciate you, man. I
Speaker 1: appreciate what y'all doing with this game's chronical. I mean
Speaker 1: when y'all first started doing it, you know Dangs was
Speaker 1: when he was doing it great on the regular. I
Speaker 1: remember when the first started popping off, and uh, I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, they got something like that, they got
Speaker 1: something like that, yeah, man, And what to come into
Speaker 1: the games chachronical? I came in U what about h
Speaker 1: last year? I started in Yeah here and it was crazy.
Speaker 1: Is this this is how that happened. I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: When you had a guy, you know, we had another personnel,
Speaker 1: remember that has some issues, right, And um, I was
Speaker 1: talking to eight earlier. You know he came on the
Speaker 1: show and I would actually talked to James. I said, man,
Speaker 1: it would be kind of tight. And I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you what James said. I said, James, what do you
Speaker 1: think about having eight on here? James let me like this?
Speaker 1: He said, he was cool. I gotta think on it, though,
Speaker 1: gonna be on no gag baby ship because I'm positive
Speaker 1: I don't want no gang bangers to I didn't like
Speaker 1: that because at that point then he had no conversations, right,
Speaker 1: and so I knew I was only something though, right
Speaker 1: because me and was talking about it in the pandemic
Speaker 1: should happen, then this cat that I knew it was
Speaker 1: going to carry his ass wand up tearing this as
Speaker 1: I'm like you will you think like me? I think
Speaker 1: ahead of time when somebody go do something, because they
Speaker 1: tell you what they're about to do all the time
Speaker 1: without saying the word. You just gotta look at him.
Speaker 1: So I said, man, this might be about the time
Speaker 1: to activate their point with ay. So I talked to
Speaker 1: James about and James said, yeah, you know he was
Speaker 1: with it right. You want to see how I go.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you. We was talking to Charlotte Magne,
Speaker 1: Charlotte Magne and started. That's when everybody was calling us.
Speaker 1: Then we had every podcast networking was calling us at
Speaker 1: one time. We went and took some of them bulls,
Speaker 1: some of the means with bullshit. Someone was cool, um,
Speaker 1: But when Charlotte Mane was talking, He's said, man, I
Speaker 1: just think y'all need one more dude on there, but
Speaker 1: y'all need like an artist. And I said, what artists
Speaker 1: you think about? And I'm thinking he gonna say somebody
Speaker 1: just corny, right, He said, man, I think m c
Speaker 1: a to be cold the motherfucker on there too with y'all.
Speaker 1: And I said, I just smiled. I said I had
Speaker 1: already thought of it, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: it was wound up, and it wound up working another
Speaker 1: wound up being some good ship. Man. We were honestly unfortunately,
Speaker 1: really unfortunately. And one thing I always give James his problems, man,
Speaker 1: because James has been consistent from day one. Another thing
Speaker 1: to me. It was all about the gamest chronicles. It
Speaker 1: was all once I started talking and got used to it,
Speaker 1: and I seemed the fact that it had on other people.
Speaker 1: Then I said, this is where I need to be.
Speaker 1: This is about purpose. So we had did a show
Speaker 1: with A and the came on one episode and I
Speaker 1: gravitated to his vibe. He was, okay, hey, it's cool.
Speaker 1: I didn't know him because I had this this this
Speaker 1: perception I ate men like first I thought he was
Speaker 1: talk Okay, you own this game, bank and ship. Let's
Speaker 1: see how I go in the in the in the Uh.
Speaker 1: When we do the interview, it went well. So I
Speaker 1: told Noe, man, I don't know if I could take him.
Speaker 1: Just just just said town and then uh, I'm just
Speaker 1: I mean we black people. I said I could work
Speaker 1: for him, and I could work with anybody else, but
Speaker 1: I would work with A. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We made it happen. Ye You've right right. It's beautiful.
Speaker 1: Stee man, y'all will do some big ship with y'all
Speaker 1: show we have the Charlotte Magne was telling me about it, man,
Speaker 1: and I said, when he first got I said, man,
Speaker 1: he's been making some moves and I told him, I
Speaker 1: said it was smart man, and man, you know you
Speaker 1: neednt thing from us, big Dog is oll. I appreciate it,
Speaker 1: and thanks for inviting me on man to talk about
Speaker 1: you know, life and uh and also give a shout
Speaker 1: out to the podcast. I appreciate you all, sure. And
Speaker 1: we also got it. On another note, bro, we got
Speaker 1: a radio show to come on every Friday night. That's
Speaker 1: we alradio. We're in front of think five million people
Speaker 1: some ship like the Living stations across southern California. So
Speaker 1: I mean you might want to put some music out, Dog,
Speaker 1: so you got out let me ut you that's beautiful.
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. That's it. That's very important man, that y'all,
Speaker 1: that y'all you know, coming back and grabbing that space
Speaker 1: man like, and not because it's it's like it's it's
Speaker 1: it's guys that that are like us that helped build
Speaker 1: this landscape or whatever. And you know, we really didn't
Speaker 1: know what we had, you know, we so we didn't
Speaker 1: really take advantage of some of those opportunities. So it's
Speaker 1: always good to see people come back and be able
Speaker 1: to you know, basically kind of like capture that lightning
Speaker 1: in the bottle, so to speak, and and and get
Speaker 1: some of this, uh, some of this, some of this,
Speaker 1: uh this culture that that that we help cultivate. M hm, Well,
Speaker 1: it ain't too late. It ain't too late if we all,
Speaker 1: if we all start working together and doing what we
Speaker 1: gotta do, doing what we said we want to do. Man,
Speaker 1: we put that together. We got something. Yeah, it ain't
Speaker 1: too late for for you. Me I learned it ain't
Speaker 1: too late for none of us to really get out
Speaker 1: and do what we really want to do our passion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely help our people. So it ain't never too late
Speaker 1: for us to put our ears together and do something now.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying now and is where this
Speaker 1: is when we need it the most now, right, So
Speaker 1: we together, let's do what we gotta do exactly. We
Speaker 1: ain't scared for all all listeners out there. And make
Speaker 1: sure you know we don't put the full episodes on
Speaker 1: YouTube no more, so stop asking me about it. Go
Speaker 1: to pot TV, go download the pot TV. After Lincoln's
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