Speaker 1: Welcome to Money and Wealth with John O'Briant, a production
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Speaker 3: We're on the move.
Speaker 1: And today is one of those special episodes where I
Speaker 1: bring a guest on. As you know if you've been
Speaker 1: following me, oftentimes I just spend an hour forty five
Speaker 1: minutes for an hour pouring into you myself on a
Speaker 1: topic that I believe that I have proficiency in. I
Speaker 1: bring guests on. When two plus two equals six, eight
Speaker 1: or ten, when the relationship is defined is better together.
Speaker 1: It's multiplication, not just addition. I'm Michael Milkin, an ambassador,
Speaker 1: Andrew J. Young, a Bishop TD Jakes, someone who's top
Speaker 1: of the mark Tony Wrestler's coming, who owns a lot
Speaker 1: of hawks and built so many companies, and today is
Speaker 1: one of those days. I have my brother from another mother,
Speaker 1: my dear friend, an underrated genius, Van Jones, who you
Speaker 1: probably know as a global CNN commentator, co host and journalists.
Speaker 1: You know him politically, you know him from wherever you
Speaker 1: know him from. I know him slightly differently. Break this
Speaker 1: down as we talk about and by the way, I'm
Speaker 1: honored to introduce him today also as the co chair
Speaker 1: with me for Hope AI, which will give you some
Speaker 1: sense of what this conversation is about today. So honored
Speaker 1: to have Van as my co chair of Hope AI.
Speaker 1: And to tell your intentional this is my coach chair
Speaker 1: for Financial Literacy for All was Doug mc millan, the
Speaker 1: CEO of Walmart and is now the CEO of Delta
Speaker 1: Airlines ed Bashan for twenty twenty six. My co chair
Speaker 1: for the AI Ethics Council is Sam Alkman, and so
Speaker 1: I'm honored to have the co chair of the Future
Speaker 1: of AI with Van Jones. Here's what you don't know
Speaker 1: about Van. Undergraduate degree the University of Tennessee. There we
Speaker 1: go a bachelor's degree in communications and political science. From there,
Speaker 1: law degrees law school, Yale Law School. Did you know
Speaker 1: that a juris doctorate a jd. And I believe you
Speaker 1: also went to MIT, is that right?
Speaker 4: A fellow at MIT, professor and a fellow at Princeton.
Speaker 4: A couple of little places like that that I don't
Speaker 4: talk about a lot because I got my best education
Speaker 4: from Willie Jones and Levetta Jones and Little Jackson, Tennessee,
Speaker 4: where I grew up.
Speaker 3: Man, let's get into this.
Speaker 1: Man, By the way, is there anything else that the
Speaker 1: audience would uh not know that's not obvious that we
Speaker 1: should share for context for this conversation. As far as
Speaker 1: your background, your focus, where you're spending your time, your intellect,
Speaker 1: I know you spent a lot of time reading and
Speaker 1: studying the world.
Speaker 4: Look, I mean I think a lot of times people
Speaker 4: think I was born on the set of CNN.
Speaker 2: Right next to the eds of Just.
Speaker 3: Happen.
Speaker 4: That would have been gross bhoom exactly. Now that'll be
Speaker 4: a long before. You know, I've been on TV for
Speaker 4: about fourteen years. But you know before that, I was
Speaker 4: mainly focused on you know, black stuff tough.
Speaker 2: Can you unit?
Speaker 4: These constituencies built the Ella Baker Center for Human Rights,
Speaker 4: colorf Change, dot Org, A Reform Alliance, Green for All,
Speaker 4: and other organizations trying to get black folk out of
Speaker 4: jail into jobs. That's been my fundamental kind of commitment.
Speaker 4: And I'm very proud to have gotten legislation passed signed
Speaker 4: by George W. Bush and Donald Trump, but also got
Speaker 4: a chance to work for Barack Obama in the White
Speaker 4: House and and.
Speaker 1: Work for it is another first. He was the first
Speaker 1: environmental advisor to any president United States of America in
Speaker 1: the history of this country. Work it was an advisor
Speaker 1: to president of Barack Obama.
Speaker 3: Was that right? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, the first, the first clean energy uh green jobs
Speaker 4: advisor ever. And and the legislation that I got a
Speaker 4: chance to help implement when I was at the White
Speaker 4: House level, actually was the main advocate for when I
Speaker 4: got George W. Bush's signing. So I I really have
Speaker 4: fought my whole life to try to figure out what
Speaker 4: is the black future. How can we get black communities
Speaker 4: and other underrepresented, underestimated communities the hope and help that
Speaker 4: we need to be able to not be victims but
Speaker 4: to actually be architects of the future. That's been my
Speaker 4: main thing. So that's why I focused on solar energy
Speaker 4: and that revolution. That's why I focused on alternatives to
Speaker 4: incarcerations so we don't lose so much black genius to
Speaker 4: jail celles. And you know, I got a chance to
Speaker 4: work with Prince for six years, helped him with his philanthropy.
Speaker 2: He backed me.
Speaker 4: On Yes We Code, and that's really where I want
Speaker 4: to kind of start if I can, John, because Reverend
Speaker 4: Jackson passing away to me has been a life changing
Speaker 4: event because he was a person who opened up doors
Speaker 4: for me in Silicon Valley back in twenty twelve, twenty thirteen,
Speaker 4: twenty fourteen, when Silicon Valley was a completely black box.
Speaker 4: We had no idea where the technology companies hiring any
Speaker 4: African Americans, we were being promoted. It was completely a
Speaker 4: black box. And it was Reverend Jackson who bought some
Speaker 4: shares in some of these companies and went to those
Speaker 4: shareholder meetings and encouraged them to open up the books.
Speaker 4: And it turned out that African Americans were woefully underrepresented
Speaker 4: in Silicon Valley, and so Prince and I launched a
Speaker 4: campaign called Yes We Code, Now Yes we Can, Yes
Speaker 4: We Code to begin to try to get more opportunity.
Speaker 2: And we were working with.
Speaker 4: Facebook, Meta Now and other groups, and I saw things,
Speaker 4: and then also being a fellow at MIT for two years,
Speaker 4: I learned a lot about technology, and I learned a
Speaker 4: lot about how technology is going to determine a lot
Speaker 4: about the future and the importers of us being present.
Speaker 1: Before a fan goes any further, and I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: what I don't do a lot. I'm gonna shut up
Speaker 1: this whole podcast let him talk because I think he's
Speaker 1: that brilliant.
Speaker 3: I want to say something to the audience. We've got to.
Speaker 1: Stop being offended and start being affected and being effective.
Speaker 1: Stop being offended, stop getting your feelings hurt right, stop
Speaker 1: being obsessed with with how somebody's saying something, and figure
Speaker 1: about what they're saying and what's the meaning behind what
Speaker 1: they're saying and seeing if you can, let's just stop
Speaker 1: stepping over mess not in it. Van is working to
Speaker 1: I mean net net to advance all people with an
Speaker 1: emphasis on our people.
Speaker 2: And what he's.
Speaker 3: Done around criminal justice reform.
Speaker 1: I'm not crazy about some of the folks he's worked with,
Speaker 1: But you know, somebody asked me before are you going
Speaker 1: to go to president go to dinner with President Bush
Speaker 1: and President Clinton? Like, Well, Yeah, I'm gonna go to
Speaker 1: dinner at President Bush because I respect him. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go to dinner with President Clinton because I like him.
Speaker 1: Actually like President Bush now too, but I'm still going
Speaker 1: to dinner.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: It's really interesting. We love President Bush.
Speaker 2: Today we.
Speaker 3: Called him the devil please come back.
Speaker 2: You know how good we had it back in those days.
Speaker 1: Look, I appreciate capitalists. They called me a republic's twenty
Speaker 1: years ago. I understand what I was doing. Then, what
Speaker 1: I was doing they called me up kind of names.
Speaker 1: And now now you know, I mean whatever I mean.
Speaker 1: All that stuff is falling away, and I stay focused
Speaker 1: on this mission of making capitalists work for all of
Speaker 1: God's children and bringing people and dragging people in the
Speaker 1: future and talking to people straight. And I just want
Speaker 1: people to to to to go to the DNA, go
Speaker 1: to the Cora van Jones and say is that the truth?
Speaker 1: Is what he's saying accurate, is what he's doing important?
Speaker 1: And you're about to hear an example of that in
Speaker 1: this podcast.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And he's he's working in areas where most of us
Speaker 1: are not working with people, most of us don't have
Speaker 1: access to I only nobody else got one hundred million
Speaker 1: dollars from a tech a tech billionaire to do as
Speaker 1: he likes, which is what he got from. There's another
Speaker 1: thing knowing is from Jeff Bezos and Amazon. Jeff didn't
Speaker 1: give a hundred bion dollars. He had nothing else to do,
Speaker 1: and he did it because he thought he thought Van
Speaker 1: was the most effective dude. Uh he'd met. And the
Speaker 1: story goes on and on and on. Get to know
Speaker 1: this guy as a person and as a as a
Speaker 1: and as a mentalist and as a and as a
Speaker 1: brilliant thinker.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then let's figure out whether we can benefit from
Speaker 1: what he's saying and what he's doing.
Speaker 3: Because I sure am over to you, Van Jones.
Speaker 2: Who I love well, I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: And what I would just say to anybody's like, I know,
Speaker 4: I'm not everybody's cup of tea, and that's perfectly fine
Speaker 4: with me, Like I am.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's true, but anyway, go.
Speaker 4: Ahead, but I just just say, like, my soul is
Speaker 4: rested because I've been so blessed. You know, my father
Speaker 4: was born in a shotgun shack in Memphis, Tennessee, or
Speaker 4: on Cable Street in Orange Mound, Memphis. Anybody knows anything
Speaker 4: about Tennessee, knows what I said. At Orange Mound, that
Speaker 4: was the toughest, roughest black neighborhood. And he came out
Speaker 4: of there and joined the military and put himself through
Speaker 4: college and married a college president's daughter, my mother, and
Speaker 4: put his brother through college and a cousin through college,
Speaker 4: and me and my twin sister through college. And when
Speaker 4: he died, the picture they put on the funeral program
Speaker 4: was my father standing in front of Yale Law School
Speaker 4: with his arms in the air, saying, look look at
Speaker 4: what we've done.
Speaker 2: And so you know my father was pleased with me.
Speaker 2: And when you have that, you.
Speaker 4: Know that's enough. You know somebody loved your mother, your grandmother,
Speaker 4: whoever was that. If you can look at those people
Speaker 4: who saw you when you were little and were struggling,
Speaker 4: if they're pleased with you, then the world you know best.
Speaker 4: As a number two vote.
Speaker 3: Amen, I've been.
Speaker 4: Black, folks. I mean sometimes we don't think it all
Speaker 4: the way through. People fought hard for me John to
Speaker 4: be able to go to the University of Tennessee at
Speaker 4: Martin on a minority scholarship. I never met those people,
Speaker 4: but somebody had to have an argument a fight to say, listen,
Speaker 4: these public schools in Tennessee are still almost all white.
Speaker 4: And somebody fought and they said, we got to put
Speaker 4: a minority scholarship program together at the University of Tennessee.
Speaker 4: They fought for me to be able to get that,
Speaker 4: and I got it. Somebody at Yale Law School fought
Speaker 4: to say, listen, ten thousand kids apply to Yale Law School.
Speaker 4: We only let it in one hundred and twenty. So if
Speaker 4: we can find a kid that's got an outstanding LSAT
Speaker 4: scored nineties percentile as a black kid from the rural
Speaker 4: south of the state school, we need to let that
Speaker 4: kid have a chance. I know that was the person
Speaker 4: was they fought for me. I took advantage of that,
Speaker 4: and on down the line, people were fighting open doors
Speaker 4: for kids like me. I was born in sixty eight,
Speaker 4: the same year they killed doctor King. But what we
Speaker 4: have to think about is if you fought for me
Speaker 4: to get into Yale and into Princeton and into MIT,
Speaker 4: when I come back, I might be a little bit different.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: You can't fight to get kids like me into all
Speaker 4: these institutions and expect us to come home exactly the same.
Speaker 4: So I need some mercy and some grace for my
Speaker 4: people to say, if you wanted me to go to
Speaker 4: all these places and maybe I see the world a
Speaker 4: little bit different, can we make that an advantage for
Speaker 4: all of us. Can we add what I learned to
Speaker 4: what you learned and what you would you know, and
Speaker 4: now we're all smarter together. That's how I want to be.
Speaker 4: But what I learned along the way, I do see
Speaker 4: things very differently. I know what's coming with the technology.
Speaker 4: I don't have to guess. I was just at a
Speaker 4: conference that Peter Diamanda's convened called the Abundance Conference. To
Speaker 4: somebody who's name, everyone should begin to learn because he's
Speaker 4: a white guy. Uh. He's been at the center of
Speaker 4: this technological revolution externial technology. He's the inventor of the
Speaker 4: X Prize. He's written a number of books, including The
Speaker 4: Future Is Faster Than You Think. And his conference pulls
Speaker 4: together the biggest people in deep tech in the world.
Speaker 4: I'm talking about people who are doing quantum computing, AI, biotech, robotics,
Speaker 4: mining as getting ready to mind asteroids in space. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's and it's a small group of people. John, It's
Speaker 4: not a whole bunch of people, and they have big brains,
Speaker 4: some of them have big hearts, but they they would
Speaker 4: admit they're a little bit monochromatic.
Speaker 1: I've got a chance to explain what that just what
Speaker 1: you just said, a lot of them.
Speaker 2: The same color. That color is not black, a little
Speaker 2: bit white. And so in the green too. They got
Speaker 2: a lot of money and a lot of green.
Speaker 4: And so I'm so blessed because Peter Diamandis has opened
Speaker 4: his heart and network and say listen, you know, I
Speaker 4: want you to see what's happening and give me your reflections,
Speaker 4: and we've developed a great friendship. You've been trying to
Speaker 4: warn people and alert people that a big change is coming,
Speaker 4: and what I want to tell you is the big
Speaker 4: change is now here. These guys have been saying the
Speaker 4: singularity is coming, and the singularity is this event where
Speaker 4: the exponential growth curve of technology goes vertical. And so
Speaker 4: so this is the first time I've heard I've known
Speaker 4: Peter for a long time, the first time I've heard
Speaker 4: him say the singularity is not coming. The singularity is here.
Speaker 4: We are now going straight up. And what that means
Speaker 4: is you may have noticed every week, every day there's
Speaker 4: some new breakthrough in AI capability. That would have been
Speaker 4: the news of the decade just three years ago, and
Speaker 4: now it's not even the news of a Twitter cycle
Speaker 4: because these agents now.
Speaker 2: Are so capable. And so what I told Peter, explain.
Speaker 1: What an agent is. Please, We're gonna have to We're
Speaker 1: gonna do some translation. This is a great example, everybody.
Speaker 1: It's a great example. Normally if some Wall Street got
Speaker 1: geek or I've got some some you know, Michael Milker
Speaker 1: is some genius on here, I gotta say, slow on,
Speaker 1: I need to translate what you're saying here, and I
Speaker 1: need to do from PhD to PhD. Brother Van Jones
Speaker 1: from the hood d a hypen a, you will do.
Speaker 1: Who's now I'm having to translate for him, get him
Speaker 1: to to translate and convert what he's saying in real time.
Speaker 1: He lives in this other yeah, other worlds, and and
Speaker 1: people don't know that they're brilliant, they're really smart people.
Speaker 1: They don't know what an AI agent is. They don't
Speaker 1: know what Peter did in mind. So we're gonna have
Speaker 1: to stop and walk folks through. Uh.
Speaker 4: The good thing is that John and I are building
Speaker 4: hope AI to make sure that you can understand this
Speaker 4: stuff better than any by in the world, and that's coming.
Speaker 4: We're building it aggressively. Both of our teams are working
Speaker 4: on it. So if some of this stuff sounds a
Speaker 4: little bit weird to see it as a as a
Speaker 4: trailer for a movie, this is This podcast is a
Speaker 4: trailer hope AI is the trilogy that's coming. So just
Speaker 4: just relax. I will just back it up a bit
Speaker 4: and thank you for I do get ahead of myself.
Speaker 3: John, Oh, you're brilliant. I love it, actually, brother.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, the way the way I would say it
Speaker 4: is that there are seven or eight trillion dollar industries
Speaker 4: that are taking off at the same time. Maybe that's
Speaker 4: the best the way the phrase phrase it. So robotics
Speaker 4: is taking off, biotech is taking off, Quantum is taking off.
Speaker 2: AI is taking no long what's quantum? Okay?
Speaker 4: So quantum Quantum computing is the next form of computation.
Speaker 2: To give you a cent, what's computation? Okay?
Speaker 4: So okay, So the way that your computer reasons and
Speaker 4: drives through data is based on old physics. There's a
Speaker 4: an updated form of physics is quantum physics, and quantum
Speaker 4: physics uses something called superposition, which is to take too
Speaker 4: long to explain. But the practical effect of it is,
Speaker 4: these computers are going to be ten thousand x faster.
Speaker 3: Than what you have.
Speaker 4: So what does that mean. That means cyber changes instantly.
Speaker 4: Your little password that you have protecting your computer. A
Speaker 4: normal computer, for trying to break that it might take
Speaker 4: a million years. This thing might be able to do it,
Speaker 4: break it in that afternoon.
Speaker 2: So it's just a.
Speaker 4: Completely different level of computational power that is almost impossible
Speaker 4: to comprehend.
Speaker 2: That's coming private.
Speaker 3: Let me, audience, me help you out here.
Speaker 1: So when when our parents were growing up, computers were
Speaker 1: big as a building, yes, one computer, one computer as
Speaker 1: big as an office building or a small warehouse. And
Speaker 1: then you got it into uh then Bill Gates time
Speaker 1: you got it into one room.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then Steve Jobs and others got it uh on
Speaker 1: your on your lap too, well, on your laptop. And
Speaker 1: now this is a computer. It's on your phone. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's it's all a smartphone. It's a computer. And what
Speaker 1: Van Jones is telling you now is that, uh, this
Speaker 1: is getting to a point where you have a computer
Speaker 1: on the tip of your on the tip of your finger,
Speaker 1: and that computer on the tip of your finger will
Speaker 1: do ten x or in some cases one hundred x.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: The speed and the power and the computation ability, the
Speaker 1: ability to process both con in time of anything you've
Speaker 1: ever seen, and it's.
Speaker 3: Going straight up.
Speaker 2: We're now on the vertical.
Speaker 1: We're on the vertical, and it's happening right now. So again,
Speaker 1: we don't have time to be arguing. We don't have
Speaker 1: time to be disagree with each other. We don't have
Speaker 1: time to be figured out whether you like somebody or not,
Speaker 1: sound like somebody like. The world is moving, whether you
Speaker 1: like it or not. And we need to get on
Speaker 1: this train and you need to figure out who's next
Speaker 1: to you and decide you there's something about them you like,
Speaker 1: because that's your all right, buckle up, and let's go
Speaker 1: back to you Van Good.
Speaker 4: So you have these trillion dollar industries that are jumping off,
Speaker 4: and on the one hand, it's you know that you
Speaker 4: don't have a lot of African Americans in particular participating.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, even though it's we're on
Speaker 4: the vertical, the growth is still to come. So there's
Speaker 4: opportunities to get in, there's opportunities to participate. There's opportunities
Speaker 4: in the in the necessity again, which I'll get you
Speaker 4: in a minute. But I think the most important thing
Speaker 4: that I can say is that there's something called these
Speaker 4: are all terms that can just look up, called accelerationism.
Speaker 4: All that is is the people who are in the
Speaker 4: computer science world and the AI world who want to
Speaker 4: go as fast as possible, those people who have always
Speaker 4: said let's go, go, go, go go. At this conference
Speaker 4: last week, the first time I've heard them say, hold
Speaker 4: on a second, this is going so fast that now
Speaker 4: we're getting scared. Never heard that from the accelerationist crowd.
Speaker 4: And they invited me to speak to an important subsection
Speaker 4: of that gathering of the patrons, the people who write
Speaker 4: the bigger checks, and just like, what do you see?
Speaker 4: And so I want to tell your audience. I've never
Speaker 4: i haven't spoked about this publicly at all. I've been
Speaker 4: waiting to tell your audience. What I told this incredibly
Speaker 4: select group of billionaires and more who have been driving
Speaker 4: this thing is they're sitting there looking at these at
Speaker 4: what these things can do.
Speaker 2: Oh, the agents.
Speaker 4: Sorry, So when you have chatt that's just it's called
Speaker 4: a chatbot. It's basically it's just uh, it's basically just
Speaker 4: predicting the next word. And so even though it seems
Speaker 4: super brilliant, it's really just a prediction machine mm hmm.
Speaker 4: And it has to It can't do very much except
Speaker 4: answer your questions like a glorified Google search. It's like
Speaker 4: a Google search through all of human knowledge. An agent
Speaker 4: is not that an agent. So now you're going from
Speaker 4: chat to BT just a Claude. An agent can do stuff,
Speaker 4: So please so explain to people. Claude is just briefly okay.
Speaker 4: So Claude is created by a company called Anthropic.
Speaker 3: Uh founder who left uh.
Speaker 4: Yes so so yes so, Dario's who's someone's a friend
Speaker 4: of mine?
Speaker 2: And and John's left.
Speaker 4: Open Ai created Anthropic wanting to create something with a
Speaker 4: few more guardrails to make it a little bit more ethical.
Speaker 4: But he made a business decision that has changed the
Speaker 4: direction of the entire AI world. Open Ai decided they
Speaker 4: were going to go for just general growth, get as
Speaker 4: many people, you know, engage as possible. Anthropic didn't have
Speaker 4: that much. Capitalist said, well, we're going to focus on enterprise.
Speaker 4: We're going to focus on business and create things that
Speaker 4: are useful for businesses and where they created. They're not
Speaker 4: knowing people who created, but what they I think perfected
Speaker 4: are these things called agents, which means you and your bot,
Speaker 4: your agent can do.
Speaker 2: A lot more work.
Speaker 4: You could tell your your agent, Hey, I've got this
Speaker 4: tough problem to solve, this business problem to solve. I
Speaker 4: got this tough coding problem to solve. I'm going to
Speaker 4: go to bed and but you solve it.
Speaker 3: This is a very important audience.
Speaker 1: It's very important, very important for you to go from
Speaker 1: a Google search or whatever it is you're searching from
Speaker 1: right to you know, in a bot on a website,
Speaker 1: to generative AI, generative generative AI artificial intelligence. Let's say
Speaker 1: my friend Sam Altman and and I think they're really
Speaker 1: best in class at this chat gput all right, and
Speaker 1: and I'm on chat, you know, fifty times times a day,
Speaker 1: so so is a van. And then also understand these
Speaker 1: parallel universes, these other AI platforms that have different emphasis
Speaker 1: and different focuses. There is he just gave you example
Speaker 1: of one cloud dot ai, which.
Speaker 3: I also use.
Speaker 1: Uh, and now he just told you something which we
Speaker 1: could do. This would be the whole podcast. By we're
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna cover three or four different things, but
Speaker 1: this could just be the whole podcast. He told you
Speaker 1: about an AI agent, right, This is not your This
Speaker 1: is not your marketing agent. This is not your business.
Speaker 1: This is not your sports agent, is your travel agent agent.
Speaker 1: It's not your theoretic theatrical agent. Okay, get that out
Speaker 1: of your head. Okay, we could spend the whole dang podcast.
Speaker 1: We won't blow in your mind about what you could
Speaker 1: do if you had a specialized AI agent. We're gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask Van one more time to slow this down,
Speaker 1: explain to you what an AI agent is, because I
Speaker 1: think this is the one takeaway again he started off chat.
Speaker 1: You can't leave chat and leave it with a task
Speaker 1: to go sleep at night. Uh, you need to give
Speaker 1: Chat a task and task going through it to answer
Speaker 1: chat GPT. We'll answer that task and it might people
Speaker 1: please you a little bit, but you will answer the
Speaker 1: task and you have to challenge it.
Speaker 2: You're gonna need to challenge.
Speaker 1: The generative AI because it may give you the right
Speaker 1: answer in the wrong lane. You gotta be dumb in
Speaker 1: dumb out. An AI agent is different. Okay, Van, go
Speaker 1: a little deep on this and then go later or
Speaker 1: however you want to go.
Speaker 4: So the thing about having an agent is, or having
Speaker 4: multiple agents, is it can now start creating businesses that
Speaker 4: have one human being forty bots in that business can
Speaker 4: be able to a billion dollars. This is this is
Speaker 4: where you're at now. You're thinking, on the one hand,
Speaker 4: this is a terrible thing because people might lose their jobs.
Speaker 4: I just want you to focus in on what's happening.
Speaker 4: Because you could train a bot to take on certain
Speaker 4: key functions and to do them over and over and
Speaker 4: over again, very.
Speaker 2: Very fast and very very accurately.
Speaker 4: With human oversight, you become bionic, You become you, and
Speaker 4: all of the bots that you own and control and
Speaker 4: direct the same way that you direct people as a boss,
Speaker 4: you'll also be directing bots as a boss. And this
Speaker 4: is this has just become possible in the past few months.
Speaker 4: So but the fact that these agents are so you
Speaker 4: have people who have been coding their whole lives who
Speaker 4: come across a very very tough coding problem.
Speaker 2: They can just tell their will will you deal with this?
Speaker 2: Will you build this?
Speaker 4: And literally just go to sleep, and when they wake up,
Speaker 4: a week's worth of work has been done.
Speaker 2: Overnight.
Speaker 4: This is a capability that in the hands of the
Speaker 4: people who are listening you. As you're starting your business,
Speaker 4: you should be thinking how many humans do I want
Speaker 4: to employ and how many bots do I want to deploy?
Speaker 4: This is the new business model, Humans and agents. Humans
Speaker 4: to employ, agents to deploy. Once you begin to understand that,
Speaker 4: you begin to realize. Hold on a second, what has
Speaker 4: been my obstacle? If I'm an African American, I'm Latin,
Speaker 4: I'm just from an Aprilar background. I'm from Appalachia, I'm
Speaker 4: a Native American, I'm female. I've never been able to
Speaker 4: get access to enough capital to hire enough people to
Speaker 4: do all the things that need to get done. Capital
Speaker 4: is no longer your obstacle. Capital is being displaced by code.
Speaker 4: Code is replacing capital, which means your creativity is the
Speaker 4: limit to what you can do. You can literally begin
Speaker 4: to vibe code.
Speaker 3: This is capital.
Speaker 4: Yeah, now, your intellectual capital plus code is actually more
Speaker 4: valuable than financial capital and is the pathway to financial capital.
Speaker 1: Let's opportunate everybody. The last fifty years, labor made money,
Speaker 1: what money made money on labor, and then in the
Speaker 1: last twenty thirty years, money made more money on money
Speaker 1: than money could.
Speaker 3: Make on labor.
Speaker 1: And now what advance telling you is that knowledge is
Speaker 1: how you make money.
Speaker 3: That's coming.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just want to change that one word from
Speaker 4: knowledge to intelligence. Not perfect, okay, because intelligence it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: That word matters because you put it this way. Two
Speaker 4: hundred years ago, if you wanted a glass of water,
Speaker 4: you had to get up out of your bed, walk
Speaker 4: out of your hut or cabin, down to a river
Speaker 4: with a bucket, get the water, walk back. Getting a
Speaker 4: glass of water was incredibly labor intensive. You don't know
Speaker 4: that because you grew up in a world where you
Speaker 4: could just literally do this and have water, so you
Speaker 4: don't even appreciate water. Water is the clean fresh water
Speaker 4: is a miracle that for ten thousand years people fight
Speaker 4: wars over you just do this in this water. The
Speaker 4: same ten thousand years, intelligence was very, very difficult to attain.
Speaker 4: You would have to be picked to go to a
Speaker 4: temple to learn to describe the library at timbook two,
Speaker 4: they had all the books in the world. It burned
Speaker 4: down like intelligence was incredibly rare and incredibly valuable in
Speaker 4: our lifetime. You had to go to first grade, second grade,
Speaker 4: third grade, fourth grade, high school, college, gonna be like me,
Speaker 4: go get a be a fellowship at Prince and a
Speaker 4: fellowship a m my team just to know stuff. Now,
Speaker 4: intelligence is right here. You can literally with these tools
Speaker 4: get an awful lot of intelligence.
Speaker 2: On tap on tap.
Speaker 4: So here's the problem that we have, especially communities you know,
Speaker 4: who may have been overlooked or underestimated. It's not so
Speaker 4: much that you now have a bunch of stuff you
Speaker 4: have to learn, that's true.
Speaker 2: We have to unlearn the idea that it's going to
Speaker 2: take us this long.
Speaker 4: It's going to take us ten years to build a company,
Speaker 4: is going to have to hire a thousand people.
Speaker 2: I've got to go to get a bank on The.
Speaker 4: First thing I can do is realize you might be
Speaker 4: able to build a billion dollar company with two people
Speaker 4: and a bunch of bots.
Speaker 3: Let's say a million dollar company. Just to make.
Speaker 4: It sure, you can definitely, you can definitely build a
Speaker 4: million dollar company with two people and a few bots.
Speaker 2: One one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: Like that's available as of by the way, not September
Speaker 4: not possible, not October not possible, December possible. That's what's
Speaker 4: going on is that these we went from chatbots being
Speaker 4: the main thing to agents being the main thing. If
Speaker 4: you understand that, what do you do get on Claud.
Speaker 4: I'm not paid to support Claude. I don't have no,
Speaker 4: no stake in Claud. I've met Daria a couple of times.
Speaker 4: But my team is starting to use these bots, these
Speaker 4: agents to super accelerate my research ability so that I'm
Speaker 4: basically I'm on path now to being able to give
Speaker 4: myself the equivalent of a PhD every three months.
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, like on the.
Speaker 1: Of intelligence that you're gaining from this new water hose.
Speaker 2: Yes, and this is me.
Speaker 1: I'm certainly I'm certainly doubling my intelligence level annually because
Speaker 1: of AI is my co creator creator.
Speaker 2: So this is the something.
Speaker 3: Give you this.
Speaker 2: So that's the good news.
Speaker 4: Give you some bad news, and we'll give you some
Speaker 4: good news and then maybe I can come back. And
Speaker 4: I want to have this conversation. But I want to
Speaker 4: have it with you. Nothing I've said if you heard
Speaker 4: me say on CNN, you know, on my own substack,
Speaker 4: I am talking to you because you're my co founder
Speaker 4: and co under hope AI. So I would have this
Speaker 4: conversation with your nutt and how much of this if
Speaker 4: I told you even before.
Speaker 3: This none of them.
Speaker 1: We've not talked about any of this before, and I
Speaker 1: want to talk about either this that conversation or next
Speaker 1: why black people, in particular black and brown people are
Speaker 1: not only not going to be a liability or be
Speaker 1: potentially left behind in this AI revolution, but actually might
Speaker 1: have for the first time almost ever, qualities that were overrated,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, overlooked, underrated, not appreciated, but actually in this
Speaker 1: AI world actually just might be supersized, super powerful and invaluable.
Speaker 1: But we'll get to that as part of this conversation.
Speaker 2: Good, we'll close with that.
Speaker 4: But I think that the short way to say it
Speaker 4: is qualities and characteristics that you just said that may
Speaker 4: have been correlated with success in the old system may
Speaker 4: not be, And qualities that were correlated with failure and
Speaker 4: the old system may not be. Especially hustle, creativity, innovation,
Speaker 4: the ability to exactly, the ability to to to to
Speaker 4: make unusual connections, like all the stuff that people at
Speaker 4: the margins have to learn how to do to survive.
Speaker 2: You combine that with these.
Speaker 4: Tools also, and all of a sudden you got then
Speaker 4: you're you're Then you're on on the vert on the vertical.
Speaker 2: The other thing that I think we should be clear about, is.
Speaker 3: That are a.
Speaker 4: Comfort level with dislocation, like you said, like like sometimes
Speaker 4: you say that you know, it's just was a crisis
Speaker 4: for other communities just another Tuesday for us. That that
Speaker 4: just like living in constant sort of disruption, you're preadapted
Speaker 4: for the world that you're about to live in because
Speaker 4: it's going to be new things coming all the time.
Speaker 4: And if you used to have to deal with a
Speaker 4: different problem every day, you're even psychologically and spiritually preadapted
Speaker 4: for some of this stuff.
Speaker 2: So, but so let me just tell you.
Speaker 4: So the good news is for you, you can definitely
Speaker 4: build a successful company with a lot fewer people, and
Speaker 4: you can go a lot faster. You can get to
Speaker 4: an exit a lot faster. You might be able to
Speaker 4: build a billion dollar company and sell it to somebody
Speaker 4: this year. That's that's that's that you should be thinking.
Speaker 4: Your expectations should be. Is not going to take me
Speaker 4: ten Years's gonna take me ten months.
Speaker 1: An audience, I want you to think million dollar companies.
Speaker 1: He's a good news. Look, it's only ten percent of
Speaker 1: Black America make one hundred thousand a year. Actually, that's
Speaker 1: is sub ten percent I want you to think you
Speaker 1: can make one hundred grand right now the year, and
Speaker 1: you don't.
Speaker 3: Have to do only fans. You don't have to don
Speaker 3: be an influencer.
Speaker 2: You don't have to do anything illegal.
Speaker 3: You don't have to.
Speaker 1: You don't have to sell marijuana. You don't have to
Speaker 1: you have to be a rapper, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: you have to be an entertainment business or disrespect intend
Speaker 1: at the entertainment business.
Speaker 3: You can.
Speaker 1: You can make one hundred grand a year plus. That's you,
Speaker 1: that's your jam. Yes, you can build a seven figure
Speaker 1: business in your neighborhood just just servicing your look. You
Speaker 1: don't have to be you don't have to create a patent.
Speaker 1: You don't have to create you know in where Gainesville?
Speaker 1: Where are you know you're in tallahassee forwarder where you
Speaker 1: can become the master of your space and build a
Speaker 1: build some between the six and seven figure enterprise right
Speaker 1: where you live that craates generational wealth for your family.
Speaker 1: But again Van's thinking in the stratosphere. He's thinking billions
Speaker 1: because he's not because he's gonna be who are gonna
Speaker 1: have trillion dollar businesses? And I respect all that. I
Speaker 1: want you to know that a million is just fine.
Speaker 2: We'll take it. Turn it down a million.
Speaker 3: I'll say that.
Speaker 4: Now let me just give give a little bit of
Speaker 4: the bad news, and then we'll good news. There is
Speaker 4: a challenge, which is that it's just the math of it.
Speaker 4: As the technology develops on an exponential curve, but most
Speaker 4: people are adopting and adapting on a linear curve, there
Speaker 4: is a gap. And that gap could be called social unrest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because where things an go worse before they get better,
Speaker 1: exactly before they come back up.
Speaker 4: And in that period that gap, which I call it
Speaker 4: the social unrest gap, you you run some serious social risks. Now,
Speaker 4: the people who are listening to this are going to
Speaker 4: be writing the curve up, so they're not they're they're
Speaker 4: they're gonna be exempted, but they're gonna be You're gonna
Speaker 4: have some cousins that are not they're not going to
Speaker 4: ride that curve and who are going to keep trying
Speaker 4: to do the same thing the same old way, and
Speaker 4: so there will be people who are left out, left behind.
Speaker 2: You know what I told Peter was you think about
Speaker 2: that as a technical problem.
Speaker 4: You know, mass unemployment is the way you talk about it,
Speaker 4: and what do you do about that. I said, you're
Speaker 4: missing the human part of it. It's not mass unemployment
Speaker 4: that becomes mass humiliation. M If you take twenty thirty
Speaker 4: forty million people who have had a job, who went
Speaker 4: to college, or who've done well, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: all these corporations say we don't need you, we don't
Speaker 4: need you, we don't need you. We're going to replace
Speaker 4: all the humans with these spots. What that does is,
Speaker 4: I've worked in some of the toughest prisons in the world.
Speaker 4: You take somebody who already doesn't have anything and humiliate them,
Speaker 4: they become the most dangerous person in that prison.
Speaker 3: The most dangerous person world is a person with no hope.
Speaker 4: No hope, And so you know these you know, and
Speaker 4: Peter was like, you know, I'm concerned about what the
Speaker 4: social unrest in this transitional period. What you know, some
Speaker 4: some people people listen to this are gonna jump on
Speaker 4: Claude tonight. They're gonna call their cousin or their you know, nephew,
Speaker 4: They're going to get some coaching on it. They're gonna
Speaker 4: look on YouTube videos and by the end of the
Speaker 4: week they're going to have made their first adult their
Speaker 4: first skill adult their first agent, and they're gonna be
Speaker 4: holy crap, I.
Speaker 2: Don't I don't have to pay my bills because my
Speaker 2: bot does that for me. I don't have to.
Speaker 4: And they're gonna be on a jet pack. But they're
Speaker 4: gonna have a cousin or a neighbor that's done. What
Speaker 4: about them? What I suggested to Peter is that we
Speaker 4: need entrepreneurs who are who are launching what I call
Speaker 4: social tech technology companies that are designed to help distribute
Speaker 4: some of this abundance that you guys are creating. You're
Speaker 4: creating on this abundance for people who have bots and robots,
Speaker 4: but if you don't have bots and robots, you're just
Speaker 4: being your abundance without participation. Abundance without inclusion feels like scarcity.
Speaker 4: And so you think you're scaling abundance, but people are
Speaker 4: gonna think you're scaling scarcity. You think you're creating more,
Speaker 4: but people don't feel like they're getting less. And so
Speaker 4: in that gap, we need moonshots of brilliant and people
Speaker 4: stepping in and saying I'm going to make sure that
Speaker 4: every grandmother in Detroit gets her bills paid by using
Speaker 4: this platform. I'm going to step in to make sure
Speaker 4: that every young person in Atlanta is able to access education.
Speaker 4: We're going to need a wave of new entrepreneurs launching
Speaker 4: new moonshots in the social tech space, which would be
Speaker 4: a new set of companies, and those can make money.
Speaker 4: So your traditional businesses can make more money by using
Speaker 4: these agents. You're employing people in deploying agents. That's your
Speaker 4: traditional businesses. But I also want to point out, because
Speaker 4: of this dislocation problem, there also can be new companies.
Speaker 2: This is where I hope AI becomes so important.
Speaker 4: Nobody in a position to organize the tech sector and
Speaker 4: our community to come together to solve that problem, except
Speaker 4: for John O'Brien, the only person.
Speaker 2: Who has said, well.
Speaker 4: Well I'm happy you Batman, I'm Robin. But because he
Speaker 4: already has Sam Altman on speed doplic, he's already moved
Speaker 4: through these different worlds and they trust him, he's in
Speaker 4: a position to have us come together. That between the
Speaker 4: AI Epics Council, that that that you're running, John, and
Speaker 4: hope AI, which you now launch, there's finally a space.
Speaker 1: We also have AI l P three, which is being
Speaker 1: run by Georgia State University and Dean uh Dean Phillips there.
Speaker 1: He was just in my office yesterday. That is taking
Speaker 1: the K through high school and soon K through college
Speaker 1: ecosystem and pipelining young people. UH to do what they
Speaker 1: were used to call a code, which you used to
Speaker 1: do is just coding, but getting people getting kids and
Speaker 1: not be afraid of the jobice the future, but to
Speaker 1: create them. They'll be afraid of companies in the future,
Speaker 1: but to create them. So this pipeline of prosperity UH
Speaker 1: through AI l P three connects to UH Hope AI
Speaker 1: and and is UH is literally part of the hope
Speaker 1: for the future. And uh AND has all the school districts,
Speaker 1: the line of public schools and HBCUs and Georgie University
Speaker 1: all connected together.
Speaker 3: So I want to add that needs.
Speaker 4: So again, how you relate to this at a human level.
Speaker 4: Everybody will relate different. Some people like change and they'll
Speaker 4: be excited. Some people are not comfortable with change, They're
Speaker 4: going to be more nervous. But what I want us
Speaker 4: to always remember is you know, whoever you are, you
Speaker 4: come from a people that overcame a lot. I don't
Speaker 4: care what color you are, I don't care what your
Speaker 4: faith is. You go but you want to go back
Speaker 4: to many generations to find people who have to overcome
Speaker 4: a lot, and uh, they figured it out, and we
Speaker 4: now live in a world that is the result of
Speaker 4: them figuring it out. Was World War Two, the Great Depression, slavery, segregation,
Speaker 4: women can't vote. People always face these challenges and then
Speaker 4: you know, we come up with a good outcome. I
Speaker 4: firmly believe that these tools are so extraordinary. If you
Speaker 4: can take these tools are basically they run on data
Speaker 4: HM and you combine.
Speaker 2: Them with wisdom.
Speaker 4: Data plus wisdom equals a great civilization. Right, That's that's
Speaker 4: what a great is available to us. AI Artificial intelligence
Speaker 4: is important, but so is ancient intelligence AI. SO Ancestral
Speaker 4: intelligence AI. SO is Aboriginal intelligence AI, African intelligence AI,
Speaker 4: Asian intelligent AI. There's lots of AIS that need to
Speaker 4: be at the table with this new AI. So we
Speaker 4: can start to create futures that we want. But the
Speaker 4: first step for anybody listening to this is get the
Speaker 4: tool in your hand. I'm not paid by Claude. This
Speaker 4: is one that everybody has found that is the most useful.
Speaker 4: If somebody is a better one tomorrow, I'll tell you
Speaker 4: about that one.
Speaker 3: But just as claud AI, give.
Speaker 4: Yourself an hour a day that you're going to be
Speaker 4: scrolling on Instagram or scrolling on x or whatever. Take
Speaker 4: that hour you would be on the phone anyway, on
Speaker 4: a computer anyway, and instead of scrolling on social media,
Speaker 4: play with claud or any other platform. They'll let you
Speaker 4: start building agents. Because you have stuff in your life
Speaker 4: right now, Like I said, was paying bills. Whatever it
Speaker 4: is that you don't like billing, so let about do it.
Speaker 4: And the minute you get one that does something for
Speaker 4: you in one second that would have taken you an hour,
Speaker 4: you suddenly realize you can get a lot of life back.
Speaker 4: M you can get a lot of life back. You
Speaker 4: can make money, lose money, make it back. When you
Speaker 4: lose time, you never get it back. And so what
Speaker 4: these things are doing is giving.
Speaker 1: You appulfimate audience. Evana just gave you another mic drop.
Speaker 1: So think of an AI agent as an efficiency time save,
Speaker 1: a time recapturer. Anything can be processed in this routine
Speaker 1: that can be done. Yeah, you know, think about it
Speaker 1: as a personal bot. That is, think about a virtual
Speaker 1: robot that is functioning and doing things for you.
Speaker 3: When you're not doing it.
Speaker 1: That's the best way I can describe it, and think
Speaker 1: about how many things in your life fit that category.
Speaker 1: Another thing he just said, which is not obvious, but
Speaker 1: I want to underscore it. Wealthy people value their time.
Speaker 1: Poor people value their money. And all money is, all
Speaker 1: cash is, is an exchange of value. That's it. A check.
Speaker 1: I can write a check on your T shirt with
Speaker 1: a routing number and an account number and sign it,
Speaker 1: and you can take that T shirt to the bank,
Speaker 1: and the bank is going to be scratching their head
Speaker 1: think of whether they have a legal responsibility to cash
Speaker 1: your T shirt because all a physical check is is
Speaker 1: the structural uh uh transfer, the structurally acceptable transfer of
Speaker 1: value of your money from one place to another.
Speaker 3: And I'm saying, in this example, you can do this
Speaker 3: on my T shirt.
Speaker 1: And they got to sit there and question whether they
Speaker 1: are legally obligated to do that, whether all the parameters
Speaker 1: are there. I can give you a I can give
Speaker 1: you this bottle and say give me that pencil, and
Speaker 1: we've exchanged value, because that's all currazy is exchange of value.
Speaker 1: So we obsess on money, cash bag dollar, all this
Speaker 1: present moment making a living stuff, but you're not building
Speaker 1: a life and once you finish making a living and
Speaker 1: you're and you got and you and you're beyond a
Speaker 1: phase if you got too much month at the end
Speaker 1: of your money. I know that's a big phase right
Speaker 1: when you're out of the desperation and phrase of I'm
Speaker 1: in crisis mode and you're going from survival to thriving
Speaker 1: mindset to winning and building mindset.
Speaker 2: Now you want time, And what a.
Speaker 1: Wealthy person, whether wealthy, whether you're wealthy in your pocket,
Speaker 1: so you're wealthy in your mind, you understand the value
Speaker 1: of time and what and what technology does with AI does.
Speaker 3: Better than anything else.
Speaker 2: Is it gives you your time back, it gives you
Speaker 2: more time.
Speaker 1: Yes, but understand this. Wealthy people value time more than money.
Speaker 1: Poor people value money more than time.
Speaker 4: Factor you well, listen, I mean I almost want to
Speaker 4: went into there because it's just so much to just say,
Speaker 4: but I do want to say.
Speaker 2: Something about time. And this is a little bit deep.
Speaker 4: But if you stay with us as long, maybe you
Speaker 4: like deep conversations with being John. But not only is
Speaker 4: what John's saying exactly correct. I've noticed this around what
Speaker 4: wealthy people. They'll spend an infinite amount of money to
Speaker 4: not waste their time. People say, well, why do they,
Speaker 4: you know, have household staff, cooking form and cleaning form.
Speaker 4: They just want to oppress poor people. No, they want
Speaker 4: to spend their time on reading, on high value relationships
Speaker 4: so they can continue the flywheel of their success. If
Speaker 4: you know, you know someone who could make a billion dollars,
Speaker 4: but instead of washing their own dishes and you know,
Speaker 4: doing their own laundry, in their mind, I just lost
Speaker 4: ten million dollars.
Speaker 2: That mean the time I've wasted on doing that. So
Speaker 2: it's a different way of looking at time.
Speaker 1: But by the way, that whole thing, this could be
Speaker 1: a separate podcast by itself, This could be a separate hour.
Speaker 1: What you just said, why don't I have a driver?
Speaker 1: I mean, I drive myself most of the time, but
Speaker 1: why don't I have a sprinter van drive? I'm trying
Speaker 1: to save time. I'm in the back working. I'm not
Speaker 1: sitting there drinking.
Speaker 2: Caboy, you're working because you always called me from the
Speaker 2: back of that damn thing.
Speaker 1: Why do you have a cook because I'm not. It's
Speaker 1: not a good bestment of my time. I need to
Speaker 1: be working. I mean, so so all now I want
Speaker 1: the list, I want the audience to stop flossing, stop
Speaker 1: focusing on blinging and singing and thing that all that
Speaker 1: stuff that all these tools, private jets, all that stuff's
Speaker 1: not meant to be in an Instagram photo.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Those people want to.
Speaker 2: Know what a private jet, don't want anybody to see it.
Speaker 1: They're just trying to get from point A to point
Speaker 1: B efficiently quickly, not through airports, not standing in lines,
Speaker 1: not going through tsa not you know, they want it
Speaker 1: because they're time.
Speaker 4: That's the greatest scene. The first the first time I
Speaker 4: flew on somebody's private jet, like you know, they said, well,
Speaker 4: you know, meet me there at three. I said, well,
Speaker 4: what times the plane leave me? He said three? And
Speaker 4: I was like what they said, you'll meet me there
Speaker 4: at three. We're leaving at three. So in my mind,
Speaker 4: I'm so dumb. I'm like, well, I must be misunderstanding.
Speaker 4: If we're leaving at three, I need to get there
Speaker 4: at two. So I show up at a private airport
Speaker 4: an hour before the flight, and they look at me
Speaker 4: like I'm a crazy person like you here, like literally,
Speaker 4: rich people drive up, they get out the car, they
Speaker 4: walk on the flight, it takes off, and so that
Speaker 4: whole hour and a half that I spend every time
Speaker 4: I go someplace, they don't have to spend, and so
Speaker 4: they can put that forward, this business, steal, that business deal,
Speaker 4: this book, this relationship that keeps their thing going. So
Speaker 4: it's just a different mentality which I've just observed. But
Speaker 4: I also just want to say something about people's experience
Speaker 4: of time in the age of the singularity. When you're
Speaker 4: when now the curve has gone vertical, you will notice
Speaker 4: that there is a different form of time that you
Speaker 4: haven't experienced before because it wasn't available before. So let
Speaker 4: me just that it's going to give you a couple
Speaker 4: of examples. In the old days an indigenous culture, time
Speaker 4: was a circle. You know, the sun goes up, the
Speaker 4: sun goes down, the moon goes through its phases. You know,
Speaker 4: the plant you harvest everything. An indigenous and angrarian life,
Speaker 4: times is so. In other words, tomorrow and yesterday are
Speaker 4: the same thing. We're just going to keep going through
Speaker 4: the same process with the sun and the moon and
Speaker 4: the seasons, et cetera. In that world, the most important
Speaker 4: key to survival is preservation of culture, preservation of seed.
Speaker 4: So that's why when every year with indigenous people is
Speaker 4: very slow it's very calm. Whenever you're on a farm,
Speaker 4: it's very slow. It's very calm because you're just preserving
Speaker 4: all these rituals and all this wisdom. Industrial society comes
Speaker 4: along and suddenly, for the first time ever, time is
Speaker 4: in a circle.
Speaker 2: It's a line.
Speaker 4: And your experience in industrial society is not that you're
Speaker 4: in a circle, that you're on a train track. The
Speaker 4: path is behind you, the present is with you, and
Speaker 4: the future is over there. And so now the future
Speaker 4: is different than the past for the first time ever,
Speaker 4: and you're going someplace. The key survive skill and that
Speaker 4: is something called planning, because you need to pick where
Speaker 4: is this train going.
Speaker 2: I've got to plan my life. You ask, if somebody
Speaker 2: sixth grade, what are you going to be when you
Speaker 2: grow up? You're going to college?
Speaker 3: Why?
Speaker 4: Because in an industrial society you better have a good plan,
Speaker 4: because if you don't have a good plan, you're going
Speaker 4: to wind up over here when you want to be
Speaker 4: over there. And so we've built all these institutions around planning, schools, universities, consultancies,
Speaker 4: et cetera. Because you need to have a plan. You
Speaker 4: may notice it's hard to plan. Now, how are your
Speaker 4: plans in year two thousand. How they work out.
Speaker 2: It turns out that planning, you may notice, is a
Speaker 2: lot more difficult.
Speaker 4: Why because in the digital age, the future is not
Speaker 4: You aren't experiencing the future anymore as you're going to
Speaker 4: the future. You experience the future as the future is
Speaker 4: coming to you. There is an on rushing future. You're
Speaker 4: sitting on the track and the train is coming to you.
Speaker 4: Multiple possible futures are coming to you. That's not that
Speaker 4: that's a new experience of time for a human being.
Speaker 4: That's why you feel a little bit concerned. And it
Speaker 4: turns out the skill set to survive and thrive and
Speaker 4: the ad digital era is not preservation. It's not planning.
Speaker 4: The key skill is being prepared to pivot. Can you pivot?
Speaker 4: Can you say, Okay, this is coming by I don't
Speaker 4: want that, I'm going to poop, move to this. Being
Speaker 4: prepared to pivot is the new survival skill. And who
Speaker 4: is better prepared to pivot and to move from this
Speaker 4: to this to this to that than people who've been
Speaker 4: living in disruption the whole time. So this is a
Speaker 4: very long way of saying exactly what John said at
Speaker 4: the very beginning. You yes, your Planning is still important.
Speaker 4: Preservation is still important. I'm not saying it's not important.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying that now there's a new skill set,
Speaker 4: how do you prepare to pivot? That means you need
Speaker 4: to change what you're reading, watching, listening to. So it's
Speaker 4: spending an hour on social media to be spending an
Speaker 4: hour with your claud bop. But now what you're preparing
Speaker 4: yourself so that when the man comes and say you're
Speaker 4: going to be fired, you say, no, you can't fire
Speaker 4: me because it's me plus the seven bots that I
Speaker 4: created for myself that are actually more valuable than your
Speaker 4: whole company. So like, because you were preparing for the pivot,
Speaker 4: you were preparing to be able to deal with this thing.
Speaker 4: So listen, you know these are things I've never even
Speaker 4: said perfectly. My understanding of the human experience of time
Speaker 4: and the digital era, all these things are things that
Speaker 4: John and I are going to be institutionalizing through hob Ai.
Speaker 4: We want to give you an unfair advantage in this world.
Speaker 4: We want to give you an unfair advantage from a
Speaker 4: mindset point of view, from a skill set point of view,
Speaker 4: and from a tool set point of view, so that
Speaker 4: you and your family can do well. And then because
Speaker 4: it's us, if he goes, it's you, because it's John,
Speaker 4: We're not gonna leave nobody behind. We also are going
Speaker 4: to figure out this social tech question to make sure
Speaker 4: that their platforms helping.
Speaker 2: The people who get left behind.
Speaker 4: But you, yourself, I want you to be a winner
Speaker 4: helping the people who might be losing. I don't want
Speaker 4: you to be a loser complaining and begging the government
Speaker 4: to help you, because the government cannot help you with
Speaker 4: the speed so.
Speaker 3: And any signaling they're not interested in helping you anymore.
Speaker 2: Even if they wanted to, and I'm not sure they do.
Speaker 4: But anyway, so listen, Look, I know we're well past time,
Speaker 4: but I just want to say I spend a lot
Speaker 4: of time in very strange places, places that they don't
Speaker 4: let a lot of us go.
Speaker 2: John does the same thing.
Speaker 4: They would actually probably be nervous if they had thirty
Speaker 4: forty fifty that look like me and John. There would
Speaker 4: just change the whole vibe. And that's okay. We do
Speaker 4: stuff that they would change the vibe for, so we
Speaker 4: not be But but there are things that are coming
Speaker 4: that are new on this earth, and there are things
Speaker 4: that are coming that what's ancient in you will help
Speaker 4: you to actually prevail. Your wisdom, your commitment to your family,
Speaker 4: your love of learning.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't be all.
Speaker 4: We certain wouldn't be this part to the podcast if
Speaker 4: you didn't have a level of learning, you have things
Speaker 4: that are going to you know, win Piered with these tools,
Speaker 4: make your life, your life better and hopefully make the
Speaker 4: world better.
Speaker 2: And hope AI is coming.
Speaker 4: And if you like any of this stuff, this is
Speaker 4: this is just a trailer for the whole trilogy that
Speaker 4: we got cooked up.
Speaker 1: I have learned from you this forty five minutes to
Speaker 1: an hour band, I've learned from you. I learned every
Speaker 1: time I want an I have a note for the audience,
Speaker 1: and I hope parts of this go viral because I
Speaker 1: want parts of this in particularly to be emphasized. Parts
Speaker 1: of this need to go viral so they listen to
Speaker 1: the large part they won't. Here's the part because doctor
Speaker 1: King was really brilliant at taking me important and making
Speaker 1: it feel urgent. Oftentimes the urgent crowds out the important,
Speaker 1: and the emotional crowds out the rational. And I always say,
Speaker 1: when something's personal, whenever you're emotional about making an emotional decisions.
Speaker 1: It's going to be a wrong one. I rather respect
Speaker 1: me and learn to like me, and like me and
Speaker 1: never respect me. I'll be offended later. I'm nosy right
Speaker 1: now because I may miss something being offended. God gave
Speaker 1: me two ears in one mouth. So I listened twice
Speaker 1: as much as I talk a Caucasian friend. I'm saying
Speaker 1: this on purpose. I'm out at the track condo or
Speaker 1: I raised cars and my office out here, and a
Speaker 1: very very very prominent Caucasian friend here. I had a
Speaker 1: suggestion for him, and he wasn't really listening. He was
Speaker 1: just so busy talking. And I said, will you please
Speaker 1: shut the muck up? Please just shut up so I
Speaker 1: can tell you what I have to tell you. I'm
Speaker 1: just telling you this because I love you. But you
Speaker 1: got to shut up for a minute. And he got
Speaker 1: offended by what I said. I said, look, don't you
Speaker 1: don't have time to be offended. You've never seen a
Speaker 1: brother talk like this before.
Speaker 2: I don't need you.
Speaker 1: I don't need a thing you've got. I don't want
Speaker 1: a thing you've got. I'm just trying to help you
Speaker 1: be better. And I'm telling you. Everybody else over here
Speaker 1: are behind you. I'm looking over here in front of
Speaker 1: you and where you can go. But you got to
Speaker 1: get out of your own way. You got to get
Speaker 1: out of your own way. But you don't know that.
Speaker 1: You don't know that's killing you. Think you know. You
Speaker 1: don't have time to be offended. Be offended later. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you this because I love you. It's like a parent.
Speaker 1: Would you didn't like what your parents tell you. I
Speaker 1: didn't like what my mother was telling me for twenty years.
Speaker 1: I was upset with her and then realized that later on, dang,
Speaker 1: she was completely right.
Speaker 2: So glad she told.
Speaker 3: Me to hang out with those people and all that
Speaker 3: kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: Think, stop being offended, Stop not understanding what Van Jones
Speaker 1: is saying. Stop looking at the small thing and missing
Speaker 1: the big thing. Step over and not in it. Stop
Speaker 1: rearranging the deck chairs and the Titanic the ship is sinking.
Speaker 3: We picking drapes.
Speaker 1: We're using old software, We're in an old system where
Speaker 1: we got we have old habits, we have old wounds,
Speaker 1: we have old trauma and it's triggering us. And this
Speaker 1: guy is trying to give you a north star that
Speaker 1: that will change every star in your universe and you
Speaker 1: can't be black for a living anymore. If you're of this,
Speaker 1: you can't be black for a living anymore. It's over.
Speaker 1: You may not think it's over. It's over. It's slavery
Speaker 1: was about money. I mean, this is a four hundred
Speaker 1: year old, like delayed message, right. That wasn't about black
Speaker 1: That was about money. Someone brought you all the way
Speaker 1: over here because they didn't like you. You were valuable
Speaker 1: to them, but unfortunately you couldn't create an ass because
Speaker 1: you were one. So now here you are in a
Speaker 1: flat world with everybody starting is at Van Jones one
Speaker 1: time and leave it here. Jones once told me, you know, John,
Speaker 1: nine nine percent of black folks here's the one and
Speaker 1: another thing. People get offended by the get half the message.
Speaker 1: Nine percent Black folks don't know it. Think about AI.
Speaker 1: Somebody will just stop there and be a fan. What
Speaker 1: are you saying about? Like to slow down the end
Speaker 1: of the sentence, and John nine knight percent of white
Speaker 1: folks don't know it, think about AI either.
Speaker 2: Boom my whole brain. I said, fan, you mean we're
Speaker 2: on a level playing field.
Speaker 4: Yes, even Stephen, For ninety nine point nine of people
Speaker 4: this conversation we had is already past them. So you
Speaker 4: are sitting here literally the first time in your life
Speaker 4: is even Stephen.
Speaker 2: Is jump ball. Jump It's jump ball. If you if you.
Speaker 4: Put your hour day into Claude, but I guarantee you
Speaker 4: call me. I will give you cash money. I guarantee
Speaker 4: you if you put an hour a day into Claude
Speaker 4: for a month, your entire life will change. Your entire
Speaker 4: business will change, your family will change. And it's free.
Speaker 4: You can can spend more money.
Speaker 3: Do a half dozen of them.
Speaker 4: But but yeah, yeah, sure, I meanyeah, I mean yeah,
Speaker 4: but reality is initially it's free.
Speaker 3: You have.
Speaker 4: Once you start you becoming a super user, you gonna
Speaker 4: to pay a little bit more money, but you're gott
Speaker 4: to make so much more money and save so much
Speaker 4: more money.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: So look, I gotta go, and you gotta go with
Speaker 4: what I All I want to say is that hope
Speaker 4: AI is very important. When when John announced it, you know,
Speaker 4: if you look at me, I was almost just bouncing
Speaker 4: like a child behind him, because I understand the importance
Speaker 4: of taking this level of understanding and making it broadly
Speaker 4: available to people who might otherwise be overlooked. And I
Speaker 4: know the good that will come from it. And uh, look,
Speaker 4: your friendship is priceless to me. If we weren't doing
Speaker 4: anything together, you'd still be my favorite person. But we're
Speaker 4: gonna do something really, really great. And this is just
Speaker 4: this is just a trailer for the trilogy you'll get
Speaker 4: to see with Hope I.
Speaker 3: The best is you have to come.
Speaker 1: This has been Van Jones and to a lesser degree,
Speaker 1: John O'Brien as Batman.
Speaker 3: I'm Robin. This is Hope AI.
Speaker 1: We're gonna change the world as you see it in
Speaker 1: our lifetime, and you're gonna change the world of everybody
Speaker 1: around you. We are going to be the change you
Speaker 1: want to see in the world. This is the third reconstruction.
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