WEBVTT - Jamie McConnell 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:08.400 It's the son of a bunch of podcast I'm your host, 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:10.880 Claude Harmon. You guys know the drill. We come to 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:15.880 you every Wednesday after last week's UM Podcasts with Pat Perez. 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:18.320 If you haven't UM checked that out, go check it out. 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:23.480 Figured we would dive into UM deep, deep deep into instruction. 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:26.400 So if this is for all the instructors out there, 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:30.080 if you're working on your game. UM. Jamie McConnell uh, 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:32.680 he is the director of instruction at my academy out 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:35.559 in Dubai. Was paying him a visit last week, as 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:39.840 I do every year, and this guy is easily one 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:42.239 of the smartest people that I know in golf instruction, 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:45.440 and it was really really good to get an opportunity 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:48.199 to UM sit down and talk to him and kind 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:51.360 of get his views on on how he got into instruction, 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:54.080 how he works and the stuff that he's doing, because 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:58.640 as I say in the podcast, UM, he's a huge, 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:01.840 huge part of of I team. But he's also been 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:05.520 a huge mentor for me UM because I learned so 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:07.800 much from other instructors and and that's the cool thing 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:10.560 I think about UM. What I get to do is UM, 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:12.880 I get to spend time with so many great people 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:16.039 that are giving lessons around the world. UM, and get 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:18.720 their ideas and get their views, and UM a lot 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:21.880 of those ideas UM I take and and and using 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:25.000 my own teaching. And and Jamie is somebody that UM 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:27.319 he's a friend, he's a confidante, but he's also someone 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:30.039 that I bounce ideas off of. UM a couple of times, 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:31.959 you know, to three times a year, I'll be working 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:34.640 with a player. UM. I've done this before with him, 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:37.600 with with DJ, I've done this before with Brooks, with 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:39.680 Pat Perez, with all the players see who Kim that 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:41.840 I've worked with in the past. And sometimes I'll just 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:44.480 send Jamie video and say, listen, UM, give me a 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:47.240 fresh set of eyes on this. UM, we're trying to 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:50.400 get this player to do X. And UM. You know, 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:52.880 when you are working and engulfing as a as a player, 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:55.360 when you're working with a player and you're a coach, 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:58.240 sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees because 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:00.800 you're so involved in it. And and Jamie is somebody 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:03.840 that I will send video too of a player and say, listen, 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:06.240 give me your two cents on this, UM, tell me 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:09.119 what you think about this. And he always has kind 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:12.440 of a different approach and and a lot of times 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:15.680 it'll it'll send me down a path that I didn't 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:17.720 really even think that I was going to go down 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:20.640 and hadn't even thought of. So I'm really excited. Um, 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:22.200 if you don't know, a lot of people don't know 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:24.000 who Jamie is. I'm really excited for everybody to get 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:26.560 to know his story and listen to him talk. So 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:34.640 let's get straight to the interview. Jamie. How long I 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:36.160 can't even think of how long you've been here in 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:40.280 Dubai that the academy would have been. It's going into 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:42.560 my tenth year at Schmidt or you knew my visa 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:48.640 for the fourth time here, so almost a decade. It's amazing, Um, 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:51.600 your journey to golf instruction. I mean, obviously for everyone 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:54.240 listening to the podcast, I mean everybody knows, you know, 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:56.440 who people like my dad are and and people who 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:59.600 you know, David led Better, Sean Foley. But I always 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.120 you know, they do these instructor lists every year in America. 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:06.960 Top Golf Digest does Top fifty, Golf Magazine does the 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:09.400 Top hundred and stuff. And you know, those of us 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:11.079 that have been lucky enough I've been lucky enough to 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.760 be on those lists. UM. Largely, I think a lot 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:17.000 of that's popularity contest, UM largely. I think a lot 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:20.760 of that sometimes is is people's work with tour players. UM. 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:24.400 There are so many great instructors around the world. I'm biased, 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:28.200 obviously because you run our academy here in Dubai, But UM, 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:29.880 I think you're one of the best golf instructors in 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:33.640 the world. I mean I learned is much from you, UM, 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:36.160 and have learned as much from you in the last 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:39.800 say ten years as as I've learned from anybody, but 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:43.440 your your journey to golf instruction, UM. I always think 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:47.360 it's interesting to find out why and how people become 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:52.720 and choose instruction as their profession as their career. You played, 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:55.520 you tried to play. I did a very bad job 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:58.920 of plan. I did attempt to play for three years. 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:03.080 I turned pro on my eighteenth birthday. Up to that point, 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:07.480 I had a fairly average amateur career. Would say, I 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:10.600 think I very much underestimated how many good players was 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:13.800 out there, probably because of exposure. I hadn't really played 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:17.440 the level that really a Rory McIlroy or somebody would 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:20.719 have as an amateur. So I didn't because the difference 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:23.599 in the US versus you know, a country like you 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:27.240 grew up in in Ireland is in the US, if 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:30.280 you're if you're playing, you're gonna play junior golf. Then 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:32.720 you're going to play high school golf. If you want 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:34.240 to keep going there, then you're going to try and 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:36.600 play some level of of college golf, whether it's a 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:40.919 D one, D two, whatever level junior college and then um, 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:43.960 you try and then play Um. I don't think a 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:46.880 lot of people in the US will realize that the 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:48.919 avenue if you want to try and do that. In 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:52.240 the in the UK and Ireland and Scotland, places like that, 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:54.080 there was no high school golf for you. You're either 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:57.520 in a county team then hopefully one day you get 0:04:57.560 --> 0:04:59.919 into the national team, but there's no real kind of 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:04.719 organized team way to do it as as we see 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:06.919 in the US. Right, So you just basically is an 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:08.560 eighteen year old, you're playing a bunch of golf and 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:11.160 you say, all right, I'm gonna turn pro. So you 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:13.560 turn pro to eight team? Was that me? Yeah? Well 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:15.600 that you know, up to that point, I suppose that 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:18.800 the biggest thing I had won was actually your dad's tournament, 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:21.560 the Red Bull Master Class. I had coaching off him 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:24.880 and your three uncles at that point. Um Um was 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:27.560 that Druid's heat drus he was rud he did. I 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:29.680 think Marnock was the first year and then ruth Heath 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:31.760 was the second, and then one year I was living 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:34.440 in Scotland and we went down to um He and 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:38.120 he and the brothers did one in um a Celtic man, yeah, 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:40.080 and they went down and did that one. Yeah. But 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:42.400 it was funny. My my dad, my dad and his 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:45.320 brothers used to go over and do those um classes 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:47.320 to where they would get a bunch of kids like yourself. 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:51.080 And you know, obviously if you're going to places in Wales, 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:53.120 if you're going to places in Scotland, if you're going 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:55.680 anywhere in the UK. You know, my uncle Billy, my 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:58.080 dad's youngest brother, who we've I've had on the podcast before, 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:00.880 he loved it because he said, listen, it's ray inside ways. 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:03.159 But the kids they don't know any different. They've got 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:05.400 to hit golf balls. We didn't have any inside stuff, 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:07.839 so they're hitting balls in the rain, they're hitting balls 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:10.880 where it's raining sideways, there's no song and stuff. So 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:12.480 you go to the Red Bull, you go to a 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:15.280 red bulls it red Bull red Bull master Class. What's called. Yeah, 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:16.680 So we had a couple of days of instruction and 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:20.120 then a tournament and like from winning that, I thought, however, 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:23.120 I was probably sixties and it was a strong feel 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:24.599 like there's some really good players. There was a couple 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:26.360 of guys who played Walker Cup and I was like, 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:29.400 I was over the moon. And I remember they always 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:31.440 picked one person from the guys and the girls at 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:33.080 the end, and I had won the tournament and I 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:34.520 was like, great, I'm gonna get picked, going to go 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:37.200 to Vegas, going to get the working budget, like all happy, 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:40.080 and did it picked me? And I could never understand. 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:42.200 I had such a grudge for so long until I 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:44.720 started working here. And then I remember they picked Craig 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.200 Drew and Craig bombed around this golf course. He had 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:49.920 it all over the place, bombed around the course. But 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:53.039 I like one ironed my way to win. And until 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:55.599 I kind of started working for you guys, I then realized, 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:58.600 like what they've seen from me, it was probably I 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:01.760 was squeezing every last bit of score out of whatever 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:03.680 limited talent they had, and then they see someone like 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.760 Craig who just had so much speed and power and 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:09.479 they're like, okay, I can make him better. I can't 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:12.480 make that way back. I think that was That's what 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:15.000 from working for you guys, I'm like, okay, I can 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:17.840 see now why you would pick somebody else, because like 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:21.040 when I see the standard now with the kids coming through, 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:24.120 you can see like raw materials are all good, but 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:25.920 like the worst thing you can have is an absolute 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:29.280 polished seventeen year old who's just shooting under park. Whereas 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:31.880 if you get a guy who's shooting like sixty two 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:33.800 and then eighty two, you're like, okay, I can make 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:36.240 that tidier, but you can't get the other guy. You 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:38.240 can't give him a Ferrari engine if he's if he's 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:40.080 got to be in the back of it. So yeah, 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:41.440 I think that was the That was the thing that 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:43.640 did it and pro you play for a little while, 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:45.280 but like a lot of you know, people that have 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:49.440 aspirations to play, you quickly realize how good the standard is, 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:52.240 how good you actually really have to be, And so 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:57.360 it's then that you decide to become a golf instructor. Yeah, 0:07:57.400 --> 0:07:59.480 well I ran out of cash. I had gone three years. 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:02.520 UM in my third year at the debt starting to 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:07.560 clock up quite heavily. In in the age of UM. 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:10.200 Not just trying to turn this into talking about live 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:12.480 because that's all anybody wants to talk about, but there's 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:16.240 you know, when we look at people that are trying 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:19.120 to play golf, and and and Pat Perez and I 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:23.240 talked about this is, for some reason in golf, running 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:27.360 out of money and trying to play and realizing that, okay, 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:29.520 in order for me to keep playing and keep chasing 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:32.400 my dream, I have to find money. I have to 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:37.840 find backing, And for some reason in golf that's become normalized. 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:43.199 And for some reason in golf it's it's romantic. Evidently 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.920 it's romantic to to have to go and work fifteen 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:49.439 jobs and all this stuff. And there are so many 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:51.959 stories like that. Sue John Singh, who who works for 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:54.559 us here in in in Dubai at the Academy, Sujohn 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:57.480 played the Asian Tour. UM had some success. He said, 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:01.840 you listen, he came over and walked around some practice 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:03.959 rounds with me. UM at the Saudi International a couple 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:05.720 of weeks ago. He's over there with Hunter bon Lahary 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:07.960 and he's like, man, I just missed this so much. 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:11.000 I miss being in competitive tournament golf so much in 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:13.520 pat Perez, you know. And DJ said to him, all, 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:15.240 why aren't you still playing? And he said, well, I 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:17.520 just ran out of money. Yeah, you know. Now there 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:20.400 is the argument to be made that Okay, the better 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:22.400 you play, the more money you're gonna make. But when 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:25.199 you're first starting out, it's expensive, and you get to 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:27.600 a point where you say, listen, I just financialists your 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.920 wealthy parents. Unless you have a backer, you just can't 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:34.760 afford to keep playing. And I'm sure in Ireland and Scotland, 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:37.200 in the UK and all over the world there are 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:40.400 loads of young kids that had aspirations they wanted to play, 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:43.640 they just they couldn't afford to continue to try and 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:47.040 be a competitive golfer. And literally, that's that's what it was. 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:49.719 There was four of us, you know, traveling around and 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:52.920 playing together, and we all basically had the same kind 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:55.040 of time that we all kind of rent at Casher 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:58.440 ran into too much debt the same time, and yeah, 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:00.560 we all had to go and do something to maintain 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:03.440 it for another year. And that's pretty much what I've done, 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:05.760 so it turned to doing my p GA so I 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:07.319 could teach a bit and I can work in a 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:09.439 golf club and I can do all that. And that 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:12.319 was kind of the start of, you know, me moving 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:15.000 on from playing. You know, after one year of that, 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:18.520 you quickly realize like I'm not good enough, Like there 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:20.599 is a point where You've got to call equit. And 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:22.000 for me, I was looking around at some of the 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:23.520 guys that was playing against and I was just like, 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:27.400 I'm nowhere near Then what year was would this have been? Um? So, 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:32.400 that would have been oh god, probably about fourteen years ago. 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:36.680 So yeah, but two eight, which is when we started 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:39.199 the Justin Parsons and I JP and I we started 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:41.679 the academy here. JP came to work for me. UM. 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:44.079 I lived in Dubai here for three years two thousand 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:47.160 and eight to two thousand eleven. I left in May 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:51.560 of of two thousand eleven. Um you got hired by 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:55.120 Justin Parsons. And I remember JP, who I've had on 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:57.199 the podcast before. He now works at CEA Island and 0:10:57.200 --> 0:11:01.040 he's doing an unbelievable job working with Harris English, Brian Harmon, 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:03.880 Brandon Grace Lew You who says, and any Justin has 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:07.320 become one of the elite tour coaches on the planet. 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:09.360 But you're talking about how you ran out of money. 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:11.760 You had no money. One of the reasons when when 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:13.800 JP said he was going to hire you, he called 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:15.360 me and I was in the States. I said, you know, 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:17.960 what do you like about this kid, Jamie? And he goes, well, 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.000 he bought his own track Man. So you buy a 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:22.959 track Man in what year I bought it? It was 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:26.520 not long after that, so I actually bought. The only 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:28.040 way I could get it was that to take out 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:30.400 a bank Loung. But I couldn't get any bank Kong. 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:32.080 It's the only one I could get with a caroline. 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:37.520 JP told me, the kid's broke. He literally has no money. 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:42.040 And in two thousand nine eight, you buy a track 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:45.080 Man for those for when for those of you listening, 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:48.240 we see track Man's, we see launch monitors on the road, 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:50.240 but track Man really the orange box. It's the first 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:52.480 real track Man to come out. For those of you 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:56.720 that don't know, track Man's called thirty grand. It's basically 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:59.720 like buying a car. So we see these on the range. 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:02.439 Now now we see everybody have these these launch monitors 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:05.760 and stuff. It seems cost thirty thousand U S. Dollars. 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:10.400 It's it's the equivalent of buying a car. You're broke, 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:12.720 Why did you say to yourself, Aca, I'm gonna take 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:16.920 out a bank loan and buy a track Man. I'd 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:19.920 started teaching a lot and I was really enjoying it, 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:23.319 but wanted to know more about it. And there was 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.000 some kind of social media guys starting to use it 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.320 and started to see it, and I was like, there's 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:30.480 nobody using this, and I looked at I actually did 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:32.280 a Google at the time, looked in Ireland and I'm like, 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:34.959 there's eight track Man in Ireland, all track Man two units. 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:38.040 Track Man three had just come out, so at that point, 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:41.079 really the only people that are using them on a 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:46.920 regular basis or the club manufacturers and fitters and professional 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:49.760 golfers here even at that point not all professionals, and 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:52.760 it was very few Clary Anni professional golfer units. It 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:54.840 was mainly fitters. So out of all the track Men 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:57.960 in Ireland, they were all fitters. So I thought, well, 0:12:58.320 --> 0:12:59.880 I could get this. It will help me figure out 0:12:59.880 --> 0:13:02.640 a bit more helping my students. I thought there was 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:04.199 some cool thing that you could do in terms of 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:07.079 like performance stuff as well. And yeah, I just decided 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:09.360 I get a and you're a Caroline and I spent 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:11.480 twenty one You wasn a track man in a thousand. 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:16.079 You wasn't care, which the bank didn't find. So just 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:18.600 to add to that, it was it was an interesting way. 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:20.200 So let me make sure I've got the story right, 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:22.600 because I've never really asked you this, but JP told 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:27.520 me so. Then you decide, all right, I'm gonna take 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:30.480 this track man because nobody's got one in Ireland really 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:34.480 from an instruction standpoint, and I'm going to basically become 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:40.560 a mobile track man service that travels around Ireland two 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:45.559 golf courses to clubs and try and use that technology 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:50.319 from instruction and offer your services. You've paid the twenty 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:53.480 one euros for it, and so you're charging what to 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:55.800 use it? Well, what we start? Let me tell you. 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:58.800 I can tell you right now this does not sound 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:01.160 like a money making venture. No it was not. It 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:03.640 was it was enough to survive. Like all I knew 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:05.760 at the time was I did not want to work 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:08.360 in a proa show. I wanted to teach, So anything 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:10.560 that got me closer to teaching and doing more errors 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:14.160 on instruction and I could live off was enough. So 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:17.280 I think at the time, I think we were charging 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:20.840 of it two hundred fifty euros a day. And I 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:22.840 said to the guy, I basically said, because again people 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:24.480 didn't know that much about it. So I said to him, 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:26.360 look you can if you have a shop, you can 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:28.320 fit with this. If you want to teach with it, 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:30.560 I'll be there as an either consultant or I'll help 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:32.440 you teach it, or I'll happily just go and have 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:34.760 a coffee and you can use whatever whatever when you 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:37.080 wanted to do. And I've done the track my Master 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:39.600 certificate very early, so I think it was the first 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:42.400 in the U kN are the tabin and yeah, I 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:44.840 just basically started mentioning pros that in you. I set 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:46.800 up a Facebook page called the track Man road Show, 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:50.440 the tracks shock Man road Show, and I just started 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:51.840 asking guys and like, look, do you want to try it? 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:54.000 I'm like filled the day or do it half day? 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:55.600 And I just started with like a little bit here 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:57.280 and there, and by the time we had had left 0:14:57.320 --> 0:15:00.640 for here, We're up to twenty six days a month um, 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:02.400 just traveling around. And that was in the space of 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:05.840 its seven eight months, and then you make the decision 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:13.000 to right fund and publish your own book on how 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:16.600 to use the track Man. And again we're in two 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:19.080 This information now for all the instructors and all the 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:23.320 people that are golf nerds listening, this is all readily available. 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:25.440 Now you can go online. There's you know, thousands you 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:27.920 can find. I mean, if you searched you know, track 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:29.960 Man usage or anything in YouTube right now, you can 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:33.520 find tons of videos. It's part launch motor technology now 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:37.000 is part of what we do as instructors. It's part 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:41.360 of golf to you write a book, right, Yeah, Well 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:43.360 what I wanted to do is write track Man for dummies, 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:45.880 but I got copied right on that, so that's changed. 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:48.160 So I just called it track Man Understanding the numbers, 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:51.120 and it's very sure. It's like but again this is 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:53.880 in two thousand and yeah, probably tens and nine does 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:56.720 and tents and we're in that um and yeah. Started 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:58.600 with just what I wanted to do is put like 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:01.640 simple application aaans to it, so like you could get 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:04.520 the descriptions of what like face angle and pap war, 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:07.200 but it was just like how to actually use them 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:10.240 in instruction and how to just the basics of understanding, 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:12.880 like if you said it to a fifteen year old kid, 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:15.040 could they understand it? And could they understand how to 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:16.720 work it? And yeah, I thought it was a good 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:19.360 way of getting publicity. It was at the time again 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:21.600 you said it wasn't. I wasn't making a lot of money, 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:24.360 so like, even if I'm getting fifty hundred dollars a month, 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:27.640 it's like, okay, there's another dollars a month to help 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:30.680 me survive and live and pay bills and travel around 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:32.800 the country with a little orange box. And it was 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:34.920 funny because in the did you did you have track 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:37.480 men road show on the car for everyone listening that 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:39.920 lives in the UK? I did not. Did you get 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:43.040 the sponsored car and put the thing on the side? 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:46.640 Jamie McConnell I did the money. I wish I had 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:48.000 the money to do that at the stage, I was 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:50.600 just trying to get around. But yeah, we've done that 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:53.600 for seven seven months and it was fine. It was 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:55.600 doing really well. And I remember track Matt hated me 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:59.280 because they couldn't sell any units because when when I 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:01.280 was going around the country, people are like, why would 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:04.239 have spends on the TrackMan? I can get this day, 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:06.640 get the road day. And I was at that point 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:08.680 looking at buying a second one. I was very close 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:10.520 to get in a second one and being able to 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:12.240 just hand one to certain people who knew how to 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:14.679 use it. Let then have two three days, and then 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:15.760 I was going to go with the other one to 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:18.080 the people who didn't and start to kind of leverage 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:20.520 it a little bit. But yeah, that was just before 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:23.000 I had come out here. 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Um, when I watch you teach, 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:05.520 when I come over here, and when we talk, I 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:08.000 mean you and I talk. You know, you're running the 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:10.639 academy here. I mean there's there's there's weeks where you 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:13.320 and I talk daily there you know we deaf there 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:15.360 isn't you know? It doesn't go longer than maybe two 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:16.639 or three days where you and I don't talk on 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:20.480 the phone. Um when we talk about instruction and we 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:22.400 talk about that. I find it interesting when I watch 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:25.440 you teach now, you would think, after that background, after 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:28.119 all the stuff that you went through to kind of 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:32.440 be an early adopter of the technology of teaching and 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:37.560 using launch monitors for something other than instruction. Right, I 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:41.399 only ever see you pull out a launch monitor for 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:46.080 something very very specific, to look at something specific, and 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:49.119 it's never for you right at this point, you know, 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:52.040 when I watch you teach now, the launch monitor data. Yeah, 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:53.680 every now and again you say, hey, let me see 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:56.520 what this player does and and and get an idea 0:19:56.560 --> 0:19:59.399 of what they do. Right, But you and I have talked, 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:01.400 and I say this in seminars that I give all 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:04.320 the time. If you're an instructor listening to this podcast 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:06.480 and you need a launch monitor to tell you what 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:08.600 a player is doing, you need to get a new job. 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:11.720 You need to find another profession. Because if you need 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:15.200 a thirty dollar piece of technology to tell you that 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:17.800 the path is left and the face is right or 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:19.679 the path is right and the face is left. If 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:23.399 someone's got a giant slice the numbers I think you 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:26.520 use now and the data that you use now is 0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:30.680 to make your not make your case, but to say 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:32.760 to the player, listen, this is what you're doing. It's 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:35.720 not me guessing. This is what you're doing, and this 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:39.080 is how to fix it. But I'm always taken aback 0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:44.440 by you. You probably are one of the best that 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:48.119 I've ever met from an instructor. You adopt all the technology, 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:49.760 you know how to use SAM, you know how to 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:53.200 use captive, you know how to use all of this technology. 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:57.160 But I don't really see you use it as much 0:20:57.240 --> 0:21:00.720 as I would think. Right, It's not like every single 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:04.280 lesson you give is from a full swing standpoint is 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:07.760 looking at data. Not every single putting lesson you give 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:13.000 is using technology. So there is this constant, I think 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:16.040 for the instructors and for the golf junkies out there listening, 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:22.359 this balance of data versus real world. You know Carl Morris, 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:26.680 the sports psychologists called you know, I've been on his podcast. 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:29.320 You've done a lot of work with him. He does 0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:32.080 great work in the UK working with players. He looks 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:35.000 works with a lot of tour players. Um it was 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:36.760 Phil Kenyon. We were in Saudi a couple of weeks 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:38.440 ago and we were talking about the subject. Phil and 0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:41.560 I are just sitting having breakfast, and you know, Phil said, 0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:44.320 you know, we're talking about data and information. And Phil 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:46.840 said something and it just blew me away. He said, yeah, 0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:50.639 you know, that's that's an example of information rich data 0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:55.200 I mean information rich, knowledge poor. And I said, feel 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:57.360 that's Unbelievable'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna give you full 0:21:57.400 --> 0:21:59.359 credit when I use that. And he said, I didn't 0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:03.520 say that. Dr Carl Moore said that, And I think 0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:06.840 we are at a stage in instruction now to where 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:14.480 we are data rich, information rich, but knowledge poor and 0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:17.920 how to apply that? So, how have you over the 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:21.520 last decade said, Okay, we have all of this technology 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:23.680 that can tell us all of the stuff about what 0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:25.960 players are doing. We no longer have to guess, we 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:28.920 no longer have to do any of this stuff. But 0:22:29.480 --> 0:22:32.680 how do we use this information and use the technology 0:22:32.760 --> 0:22:35.879 to help players get better? I think I've I've kind 0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:38.160 of had a habit to use it and reverse remember 0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:40.239 doing the presentation of the track Man and I call 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:43.120 it track man without the numbers. So like I love 0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:45.760 like the picture of the range, then the line and 0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:48.800 just having the dead straight ball the target line, because 0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:50.480 I gotta tell people to stand up and right you 0:22:50.600 --> 0:22:52.800 have to start right of that and curve left and 0:22:52.880 --> 0:22:55.119 like if they're slicing it to begin, and then they 0:22:55.200 --> 0:22:57.240 start to do that and I'll go, well, here's your 0:22:57.280 --> 0:22:59.680 path to begin, here's your path at the end. So 0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:02.439 it's stead of going numbers to picture, you're gonna picture 0:23:02.480 --> 0:23:05.320 and then on hiding the numbers. And it means that 0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:08.160 like they actually start to get something they can feel 0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:11.520 use and understand, and like, to me, that's the way 0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:13.480 it should be used. It shouldn't be just like point 0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:15.000 out the data. It should be like change it and 0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:16.720 then go okay, it was here and now it's here. 0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:19.800 Here's the understanding. But they immediately have the feel of 0:23:19.880 --> 0:23:22.479 what to do rather than the information because the information 0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:24.720 to useless. And I think it always goes back to 0:23:24.840 --> 0:23:27.560 like Justin used to hammer me on this and he 0:23:27.640 --> 0:23:29.239 committed the officent and I think it was your dad 0:23:29.320 --> 0:23:31.199 saying it was like, don't teach what you can't use 0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:33.359 on the back then and someday and it's like you 0:23:33.440 --> 0:23:35.640 don't have a track on the back round and something 0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:38.119 you don't have a sound, and like they're huge, the 0:23:38.280 --> 0:23:41.840 great pieces of technology, but if you're if you're standing there, 0:23:42.160 --> 0:23:43.879 you know on the last team, you've got to hit 0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:46.920 a draw. It doesn't matter what information you've got, You've 0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:48.119 got to be able to hit a draw, you know 0:23:48.160 --> 0:23:49.840 what I mean. And that was the one thing that 0:23:49.880 --> 0:23:52.440 always stood out. And he used to just absolutely obliterate 0:23:52.520 --> 0:23:54.520 this and this all the time, and even watching you 0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:57.080 and your dad teach, like there's never anything complicated. Like 0:23:57.200 --> 0:23:59.680 Tom who's working for a snare or fitness trainer. You know, 0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:01.440 he and said, watching you in a lesson, he just 0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:03.680 came in with this shock look in his face. I'm like, 0:24:03.720 --> 0:24:06.520 he okay, He's like, it's just so easy. What do 0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:08.040 you mean It's so easy? He goes. He just makes 0:24:08.040 --> 0:24:10.440 it look so easy. It was so simple. And you 0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:12.040 know I always say to you, like the best lesson 0:24:12.040 --> 0:24:14.199 I've ever seen you give was so maybe five year 0:24:14.200 --> 0:24:16.760 old guy, and through it in and you had liked 0:24:16.880 --> 0:24:19.400 big the biggest chicken wing you've ever seen. You had 0:24:19.520 --> 0:24:22.240 video them not showing them. You put spin, Yeah, you 0:24:22.359 --> 0:24:24.240 put dynamic loft on the screen and it was like 0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:26.800 fifty five degrees and you were like, get that down 0:24:26.840 --> 0:24:29.680 to thirty, and you just kept saying yeah, no, yeah, 0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:31.479 And by the end of it, he's got the straightest 0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:34.119 left art And you've ever seen the impact change and 0:24:35.040 --> 0:24:37.320 you're not changed and the numbers changed. And that was 0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:40.679 six years ago, and that lesson to me always stands 0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:44.680 out and like you changed it by saying very very little, 0:24:45.160 --> 0:24:47.000 but you changed it in a huge way. And he 0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:49.399 understood it. He's like, oh, if the loft does this, 0:24:49.600 --> 0:24:51.480 my arm does it. And he felt it. Yeah, in 0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:53.840 your in you before he had even seen the change. 0:24:54.359 --> 0:24:56.480 He could see the ball flight and he could feel it, 0:24:56.840 --> 0:24:58.360 and he knew what he was doing. It didn't matter 0:24:58.400 --> 0:25:01.280 about the picture looked like. But then goes out and 0:25:01.359 --> 0:25:03.320 the picture, like you say, have some buy into it, 0:25:03.480 --> 0:25:06.560 helps them go okay right now, you know, I mean, 0:25:06.640 --> 0:25:09.159 there's never a day it's like that was eating. It's like, 0:25:09.200 --> 0:25:11.840 I'm just gonna get it. Deliferent this one based on 0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:16.280 where you started, you know, your instruction journey, and where 0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:20.800 you are now, how do you feel like you've evolved 0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:23.760 and changed? You know, if you could go back and 0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:26.680 look at the lessons. I say this all the time. Um, 0:25:27.200 --> 0:25:29.399 if I could go back and find the people that 0:25:29.480 --> 0:25:31.840 I gave lessons to when I was working at my 0:25:32.359 --> 0:25:34.920 my dad's golf school in Vegas and tigers there and 0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:37.120 all the best players in the world are there, I'd 0:25:37.160 --> 0:25:39.440 give them their money back because I didn't I didn't 0:25:39.440 --> 0:25:41.560 know ship. I didn't know anything. I just kind of 0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:43.959 knew what my dad said, I knew what some other 0:25:44.040 --> 0:25:49.240 people said. I had no real world kind of practical application. 0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:52.119 I was under my dad's umbrella. You know, I didn't 0:25:52.240 --> 0:25:55.399 You know, I didn't know anything. How is your journey 0:25:55.520 --> 0:25:57.520 from when you've started, When you look at what you 0:25:57.600 --> 0:26:02.000 were teaching and and trying to help players with ten 0:26:02.119 --> 0:26:05.560 years ago, five years ago, how has that evolved? And 0:26:06.600 --> 0:26:10.400 I think for the instructors and the golf chunkies listening there, 0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:13.920 there has to be an evolution. You shouldn't know everything 0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:16.600 when you start, right, But how is your joursey? You 0:26:16.680 --> 0:26:19.919 can't know everything right, Um, how is your jour How 0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:22.800 do you How do you teach differently now than you 0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:26.560 taught maybe ten twelve years ago. I think I'm comfortable 0:26:26.600 --> 0:26:29.520 with saying less and if, like if Justin's listened to this, 0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:32.560 he'll have a chuckle at this. Like literally almost every lesson. 0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:36.320 He used to tell me, if Jamie could just quit talking, right, 0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:39.840 if Jamie could just learn how to quit talking, because 0:26:39.880 --> 0:26:44.320 he's trying so hard to give all of this information 0:26:44.520 --> 0:26:47.200 that that he's got in his head, which is all amazing, 0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:51.120 fantastic information, but it's too much. But it's too much, 0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:53.240 and it's it's I think the other thing as you 0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:56.800 as you give more lessons and you just keep going 0:26:56.880 --> 0:26:59.239 back to the simple stuff. Like we had a kid 0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:01.560 in yesterday, really good kid, shot a decent score at 0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:04.920 the weekend, super strong, grip way behind it, and I 0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:06.200 you know, I said to him when it was the 0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:08.800 last time you're worked in your grip. He's like like 0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:11.400 a year and a half on five knuckles, left hand grip, 0:27:11.480 --> 0:27:14.280 And I said, week in your left hand and knock 0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:18.080 left hand, right hand super under the club. And I 0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:20.400 think the big difference with that is now I'm comfortable. 0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:23.359 I know from from doing two thousand golf asens a 0:27:23.440 --> 0:27:25.560 year for the last ten years. I know if it 0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:27.879 fixes grip and getting the punchet, he's going to deliver perfectly, 0:27:28.520 --> 0:27:31.440 Whereas ten years ago it's like, Okay, you're not even 0:27:31.440 --> 0:27:34.719 given to yourself that this will have such a big effect. 0:27:35.160 --> 0:27:38.560 So you you kind of almost compensate by talking, and 0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:41.320 you're trying to convince them you're smart, and like people 0:27:41.440 --> 0:27:42.840 look at it now and go, is that it? And 0:27:42.880 --> 0:27:46.080 I'm like yeah, and I'm like look and oh, that's 0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:49.200 all I have to do. Yeah, And it's getting comfortable 0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:51.639 with giving less. I think that's the biggest difference for me. 0:27:52.320 --> 0:27:54.760 But I look back where I was like, I knew 0:27:54.800 --> 0:27:57.479 a lot of the information. I thought I knew everything. 0:27:57.800 --> 0:27:59.680 I thought I had ten percent to learn. Now I'm like, 0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:02.439 I think I've got ninety percent to learn. But it's 0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:04.440 funny like in ten years, you're just getting used to 0:28:04.760 --> 0:28:07.800 giving less and a lot of lessons become repetitive. But 0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:10.120 that's not a bad thing. You know, if if if 0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:12.280 you had everybody in a good grip post set up 0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:15.480 takeaway chances, they're going to hit it better. There's not 0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:17.760 many people that walk in with a perfect grip. There's 0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:20.200 so many of the average golfers. And when I say 0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:22.200 I say this all the time, you know, I'm lucky 0:28:22.280 --> 0:28:24.840 to live in two worlds. I live on I live 0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:27.200 in the tour world. I've been lucky enough to work with, 0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:29.840 you know, some amazing players who I've learned a tremendous 0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:32.760 amount from, and and that's you know, I think largely. 0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:35.879 You know, probably one of the differences between you know, 0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:38.320 the people listening to this podcast is they know who 0:28:38.360 --> 0:28:40.520 I am because of the players I've worked with, and 0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:43.360 they don't know who you are because they haven't heard 0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:45.240 your name on TV. They haven't seen you on a 0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:49.720 driving range or anything like that. But very rarely for 0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:52.560 the average golfer. To me, average golfers are people that 0:28:52.920 --> 0:28:56.120 you're not seeing on TV the amount day in and 0:28:56.280 --> 0:28:59.440 day out that we see a fifteen handicapper come in, 0:29:00.000 --> 0:29:03.040 who has got a good grip, who sets up to 0:29:03.120 --> 0:29:08.320 the golf ball well properly, who has good ball position, right, 0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:14.960 the basic fundamentals grip, stance, posture, alignment, the stuff in 0:29:16.400 --> 0:29:19.800 that is so not the norm, right, It's so not 0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:22.920 the rage right now. It's not sexy, it's not cool, 0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:25.000 it's not the new thing. It's not to lay it 0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:29.520 down and all that bullshit. Right, Um, so many golfers, 0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:34.360 like you said, could improve so much by just spending 0:29:34.520 --> 0:29:43.240 six months on having a consistent, good grip a A. 0:29:43.840 --> 0:29:46.800 I wouldn't say neutral, but I always say when I 0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:50.800 look at golf swings and setups, I think so many 0:29:50.920 --> 0:29:54.280 golfers and so many people listening to the podcast, they 0:29:54.360 --> 0:30:00.960 have something in their set up from ball position, alignment, posture, 0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:06.120 or grip that is extreme. It is out of the norm, right, 0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:10.760 It is not normal for what a good player does. 0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:15.080 Obviously there have been great players David Duval, four knuckles 0:30:15.080 --> 0:30:19.960 in an elbow, Um Jose, Muriel thobl weak grip. There 0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:24.480 are outliers, right, But I think it's interesting that you 0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:28.000 say that if if that, if everyone listening would just 0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:33.080 improve the obvious things that you do before you hit 0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:35.880 a golf ball. You know, we always talk about you 0:30:35.960 --> 0:30:38.600 and I have talked about this a lot a long time. Um, 0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:43.360 the grip, the posture, the set up, the alignment is 0:30:43.440 --> 0:30:48.880 the same thing that players that play golf on a 0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:53.000 regular basis don't do well. And then that domino effect. 0:30:53.520 --> 0:30:56.320 They have something extreme in their grip, they have something 0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:59.000 extreme in their posture, they have something extreme in the 0:30:59.040 --> 0:31:03.440 ball position that from there it's almost an accident or 0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:07.760 just dumb lock. If they somehow match it up and 0:31:07.920 --> 0:31:10.400 hit a good shot and that's why so many players, 0:31:10.520 --> 0:31:15.640 Jamie come to us and say, listen, I'm hitting it 0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:18.960 so bad. And we've talked about this. The average person 0:31:19.080 --> 0:31:21.480 listening to the podcast that plays golf on a regular basis, 0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:24.560 they're more surprised by the good shots than they are 0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:27.960 by the bad shots, right, and they can't repeat the 0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:31.360 good shot. And so it's interesting that you said that 0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:37.640 having the basics done makes the rest of what you're 0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:41.400 trying to do more attainable. And I always use the 0:31:41.440 --> 0:31:43.440 example of like, if you look at the top ten 0:31:43.520 --> 0:31:47.280 players in the world, they've all got very different swings, 0:31:47.520 --> 0:31:50.880 very different characteristics based on how their bodies moving. You know, 0:31:51.000 --> 0:31:52.880 you see things that you have the stories like John 0:31:53.000 --> 0:31:55.440 ram at his foot as a child, and obviously you're 0:31:55.440 --> 0:31:57.520 not going to get everybody to swing it the same. JT. 0:31:57.760 --> 0:31:59.720 Justin Thomas is a bit of a throwback. You know. 0:31:59.800 --> 0:32:02.800 We see a lot of players with that backswing being 0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:06.560 super super vertical, that left arm plane, the high hands. 0:32:06.640 --> 0:32:09.240 The modern golf swing is much, i would say, more 0:32:09.880 --> 0:32:13.640 more rounded and flatter than the way JT swings the 0:32:13.720 --> 0:32:17.600 golf club. Um, you know Jordan's speace grip. You know 0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:20.480 when Jordan's speech came on the scene and and started 0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:22.800 to play, you know, professionally. I think a lot of 0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:25.840 people in golf instruction watched him, you know, tour players 0:32:26.280 --> 0:32:28.120 to our coaches were like, yeah, I mean, the kids 0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:29.960 got to change that grip to be able to compete. 0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:32.640 And he hasn't changed any of them. And I think 0:32:32.720 --> 0:32:36.160 the thing is, you know, don't look for those nuances 0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:37.560 that they have. Look for the common out of these 0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:39.840 they all stand too good. They all set the ball 0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:42.480 position good. The posture is generally all good. You know. 0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:45.960 I don't think there's many of the modern players now 0:32:46.120 --> 0:32:49.800 as I think as the modern golfer has become taller. Um, 0:32:50.240 --> 0:32:52.640 you know, I think most of the players that were 0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:55.719 starting to see you see this in players that are 0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:59.440 starting to play, that that want to play competitively, they're 0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:04.120 bigger then. They're bigger than they were ten fifteen years ago. 0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:06.960 They're taller. You know a lot of the juniors that 0:33:07.040 --> 0:33:09.520 we're seeing now that are that are choosing golf as 0:33:09.600 --> 0:33:14.240 the pathway. Um, they're over six ft tall, right, and 0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:19.280 so um the posture changes now you just like you said, 0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:22.160 the top ten players in the world, their postures are 0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:25.520 pretty good. You know, everybody sees on Instagram these positions 0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:27.800 to where you know every year, you know, every so 0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:31.520 often they cycle through all the different positions that players 0:33:31.600 --> 0:33:34.280 get into at the top. But like you said, at 0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:38.520 address ball, position wise and set up wise, the things 0:33:38.560 --> 0:33:41.360 that they do before they hit the golf ball tend 0:33:41.440 --> 0:33:44.480 to be they don't look the same, very very very common. 0:33:44.520 --> 0:33:46.880 And I think that's what not only like players, but 0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:49.680 I think coaches need to do that for longer too, 0:33:50.080 --> 0:33:52.120 because like coaches tend to jump around a lot. We 0:33:52.320 --> 0:33:54.440 we get people into the academy and you know, if 0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:56.480 I know they've had lessons with somebody else, a's else. 0:33:56.600 --> 0:33:59.600 The theme been of your lessons, as in, assuming they've 0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:02.080 worked on one thing for a period of time, and 0:34:02.160 --> 0:34:03.960 they go, well, I de gripped and then it de posture, 0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:05.640 and then it did release, and then I did this, 0:34:05.840 --> 0:34:07.600 and then it was reversed fine, and then I was 0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:10.000 trying to get one and I'm like, how many lessons 0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:12.719 in that? I got like six? And you're kind of like, 0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:14.520 how are you meant to get any of that? And 0:34:14.600 --> 0:34:16.279 then they set up to it poorly and you're like, 0:34:16.400 --> 0:34:19.359 all right, grip post yourself. If you start from there, 0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:21.480 you have a better chance of doing everything else right. 0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:23.879 But you're not going to do this in a day 0:34:24.080 --> 0:34:26.080 or a week, like this should be your plan for 0:34:26.120 --> 0:34:28.759 the next month, two months, three months, depending on what 0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:31.200 it is. And you'll see people want to move a 0:34:31.239 --> 0:34:33.759 certain way because of their body, so like if their 0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:36.080 body is always moving that way, they will have to 0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:38.399 constantly work at that. Like you look at Tiger, he's 0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:40.520 always you know, a little cross the line at the top. 0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:43.920 You know, that never really changed through the years, except 0:34:44.320 --> 0:34:46.520 maybe that two thousand to two thousand and two where 0:34:46.520 --> 0:34:49.640 it was pretty much your you know, ideal or model swing. 0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:52.399 But even when you see him injured or he'd come back, 0:34:52.520 --> 0:34:54.319 it would always go a little bit that way because 0:34:54.360 --> 0:34:56.799 that's the way his body wanted to move. And you think, 0:34:56.960 --> 0:34:59.920 like everybody's got that, and you think Tiger never can 0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:03.960 completely mastered it. Nobody's made the perfect game. Yet you know, 0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:06.680 you've got to swing within your own limitations and find 0:35:06.800 --> 0:35:08.640 your swing. I think, as you said it a couple 0:35:08.640 --> 0:35:10.120 of years ago, you had to remember you had a 0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:11.480 little like cube but you I think it was your 0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:13.480 granddad swing in it, and I remember there was a 0:35:13.560 --> 0:35:15.520 quote on it. It was like there's only one. It 0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:17.800 was something like, there's only one swing for you, but 0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:19.719 that swings not for everybody. Yeah, I mean you know. 0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:25.200 Arnold Palmer famously said, swing your swing right, Um, do 0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:31.320 you feel like people? You know? For everyone listening, I 0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:33.239 always say, and I said that a lot this week 0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:35.920 here in Dubai to the team. Um, you know, not 0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:38.719 only from an instruction standpoint, but from what we're trying 0:35:38.760 --> 0:35:42.080 to get players to do is do the obvious things. Well. 0:35:42.480 --> 0:35:45.080 The obvious thing that you can control as a golfer, 0:35:45.160 --> 0:35:51.000 whether you're fifteen, ten, five scratch handicapped, is the way 0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:53.120 you set up to the golf ball. Because all that 0:35:53.320 --> 0:35:56.719 happens before the golf swing starts. It's hard if you 0:35:56.800 --> 0:35:58.960 feel the golf swing a little stuck and under coming 0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:01.120 in on the inside to let go of the golf 0:36:01.200 --> 0:36:04.400 club mid down swing and stop. If you feel yourself 0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:07.279 start to come over it, in two seconds, your golf 0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:09.319 swings over, it's hard to let go of the golf 0:36:09.360 --> 0:36:11.280 club and say, listen, I didn't hit the ball because 0:36:11.280 --> 0:36:14.120 I felt myself coming off, so I just stopped right time. 0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:16.640 Tiger was famous for being able to stop his golf 0:36:16.680 --> 0:36:19.080 swing right. The average person has got no chance to 0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:21.879 do that. So if you do the obvious things well 0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:25.040 in your grip, your posture, your set up, your alignment, 0:36:25.520 --> 0:36:30.399 and like you said, just work on that for five 0:36:30.560 --> 0:36:34.439 six months. Just work on the grip being consistent, work 0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:37.880 on the posture, work on the alignment, the ball position. 0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:41.279 Then you've got a good chance to address some of 0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:44.719 the other things, definitely, And it's it's sticking to your plan, 0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:47.839 you know, sticking to the things that you know we're 0:36:47.880 --> 0:36:50.200 going to make you better. And if everybody walked in 0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:52.080 here with a grip posture set up that was good 0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:54.239 and probably have a lot less gold lessons, So you 0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:55.800 know what I mean. Like that, that to me is 0:36:56.040 --> 0:36:57.719 and I hammer the guy who's on it. Like if 0:36:58.040 --> 0:37:00.479 if the grip posture has set up a good they've 0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:03.160 got a chance. If any of those are off, it's 0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:05.839 a domino effect. It's going to throw other things off 0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:08.239 later on in the swing and then you're just firefighting. 0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:10.319 You're just hoping that they find a way to get 0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:13.040 the club back. And that's the thing that's within your control. 0:37:13.120 --> 0:37:15.480 So do that really well and get really good at that. 0:37:15.600 --> 0:37:17.320 And you know, it's the one thing I noticed what 0:37:17.400 --> 0:37:19.800 our junior is like just looking at them over and 0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:22.320 over and over again, especially the slightly older ones that 0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:24.400 we've had for a few years. There's very few of 0:37:24.400 --> 0:37:26.759 them to set up badly, you know, they all they 0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:28.600 might get a little off of alignments and things like that, 0:37:28.800 --> 0:37:31.440 but generally speaking, they all grip a good they all 0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:33.440 set up to a good and it's something that the 0:37:33.480 --> 0:37:35.719 guys have done a really good job, Like across all 0:37:35.800 --> 0:37:38.680 of our instructors, you can see. That's why you're getting 0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:40.759 so many good kids. It's not that we're really good 0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:42.400 at teaching the swing and that we're really good at 0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:44.279 just get the basics right and they can kind of 0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:46.640 figure it out after that. You know, they all, they 0:37:46.719 --> 0:37:49.000 all have enough time and enough skill to figure out 0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:51.520 the golf swing. But the biggest thing is just making 0:37:51.520 --> 0:37:53.480 sure that they're in a position from the get go 0:37:54.160 --> 0:37:56.480 that they can allow their talent to kind of take over, 0:37:57.040 --> 0:38:00.319 as opposed to us having to manufacture swings all the time. 0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:03.239 Inside right there, you go, go play, go enjoy it. 0:38:03.760 --> 0:38:06.000 You know, a good start point and you can figure 0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:08.239 it out and play place. Guildfoot off on that. Let's 0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:16.359 take a quick break and we are back. I think 0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:18.360 a lot of people I think most people listening to 0:38:18.800 --> 0:38:21.160 the pod, they know what Dubai is, right, I mean, 0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:24.840 Dubai is kind of this iconic you know, skyscraper or 0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:29.120 place in the desert. Um, it's very much an international destination. 0:38:29.200 --> 0:38:31.400 I mean, we've all been, we've all marveled over the 0:38:31.480 --> 0:38:34.720 last twenty five years. Um, how much Dubai has grown 0:38:34.800 --> 0:38:37.279 and changed. And for for a lot of people that 0:38:37.360 --> 0:38:39.200 have never been here, they come here for the first 0:38:39.239 --> 0:38:41.160 time and it's it's literally like they're in a science 0:38:41.200 --> 0:38:43.960 fiction movie. I mean, and they've just never seen anything 0:38:44.120 --> 0:38:48.640 like it. So it is a it is a global place. 0:38:48.760 --> 0:38:52.560 It is a global destination. But from a golf standpoint, 0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:58.560 this is still a very very very small Gulf region. Um. 0:38:58.840 --> 0:39:02.439 You know, there's probably you know, anywhere between two to three, 0:39:02.560 --> 0:39:04.759 maybe even four million people living here in Dubai. And 0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:07.200 how many golf courses are there? Probably at six the 0:39:07.760 --> 0:39:10.239 sixteen in the UA. And for those people that don't 0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:12.680 know the U as the United Arab Emirates, it's made 0:39:12.760 --> 0:39:15.800 up of different emirates. Dubai is an emerate very similar 0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:20.400 to a state in the US. Within Dubai, just Dubai itself. 0:39:20.440 --> 0:39:22.400 How many golf courses on a ten can't be more 0:39:22.440 --> 0:39:25.000 than ten and the majority of the people in the 0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:31.920 UA live in Dubai, so it's a small golf market. UM. 0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:36.600 I'm really proud of the fact that, Um, what we've 0:39:36.680 --> 0:39:39.640 done is helped develop players. There's a wall as you 0:39:39.760 --> 0:39:42.040 go into our our gym facility here at the academy, 0:39:42.120 --> 0:39:44.719 here at the Els Club. UM that it's really cool 0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:46.360 that you did this. You put our logo in the 0:39:46.440 --> 0:39:49.080 middle of it and then put the names and the 0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:52.080 colleges that all the people we went to. How many 0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:54.200 names are on that? Would you say there's all there's 0:39:54.200 --> 0:39:57.160 a bit twenty or so on it. Probably another seven 0:39:57.239 --> 0:39:58.759 or eight to go on it. Ye, so you know, 0:39:58.840 --> 0:40:00.840 close to thirty kids that have gone and played some 0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:05.360 form of college golf in America. UM. Rayhan Thomas is 0:40:05.360 --> 0:40:08.480 at Oklahoma. Stay right now, Toby Bishop just went to 0:40:08.719 --> 0:40:13.120 the University of Florida. You're really, I think have been 0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:15.680 at the forefront. In my opinion, UM, I think you're 0:40:15.719 --> 0:40:17.880 one of the best junior golf developers in the in 0:40:17.960 --> 0:40:24.160 the world. Really. UM, you've put together this program kind 0:40:24.200 --> 0:40:27.720 of like a high school golf program here in Dubai, 0:40:27.920 --> 0:40:30.680 here in the U A which again outside the United 0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:33.440 States just doesn't exist. You know, if you if you 0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:36.759 played college golf in America, most likely you played high 0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:40.480 school golf on some team. Talk me through why you 0:40:40.600 --> 0:40:43.640 wanted to kind of. So we've created this elite junior program, 0:40:43.719 --> 0:40:47.720 this elite junior team, um you know, across the board 0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:53.359 currently our junior program here um in in Dubai, how 0:40:53.400 --> 0:40:59.600 many kids from start from early ages to the late stages? 0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:00.920 I mean, for a four, we've got kids in our 0:41:01.000 --> 0:41:04.160 junior program here at start early as oh three years old, 0:41:04.239 --> 0:41:07.520 three years old, so we go from three to elite 0:41:07.640 --> 0:41:11.520 juniors who were in their late late teens. How many 0:41:11.600 --> 0:41:14.080 kids do we currently have enrolled in our junior program 0:41:14.440 --> 0:41:20.040 from the young to the old hundred hundred nine and 0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:22.400 the junior program and then give or take there's probably 0:41:22.920 --> 0:41:26.480 thirty in the various differently, So with that many juniors 0:41:26.719 --> 0:41:30.279 coming through our you know, our doors here, was that 0:41:30.440 --> 0:41:32.680 the reason why you said, okay, we've got to find 0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:37.239 a way to create a different or another pathway for 0:41:37.320 --> 0:41:40.960 the elite player. Yes, you know, it's developed. It was 0:41:41.000 --> 0:41:43.160 an idea that Justin had, and Justin had begun it 0:41:43.320 --> 0:41:46.520 just before he had left, and it was just quite 0:41:46.560 --> 0:41:48.360 difficult to get off the ground, mainly because of the 0:41:48.400 --> 0:41:49.880 schooling side of things. It was trying to get the 0:41:49.960 --> 0:41:52.440 right skill to attached then and Jem's first point came 0:41:52.440 --> 0:41:55.279 along and it was a perfect fit. But to me, 0:41:55.400 --> 0:41:57.879 it was just it's trying to give them the next 0:41:57.960 --> 0:42:00.839 little target. So like as kids, we found that when 0:42:00.880 --> 0:42:03.680 our junior program, initially they would get to tournament ready, 0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:06.080 which is our top one. They could reach that by fourteen, 0:42:06.560 --> 0:42:08.920 but then they would just go into individual and we 0:42:09.000 --> 0:42:10.840 kind of wanted to keep that team aspect to We 0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:13.880 wanted them to feel like they could be, as you 0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:15.760 said the other day, like a part of something bigger. 0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:18.560 And we also seen the value at group stuff because 0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:19.919 we get a lot of those kids when they reached 0:42:19.960 --> 0:42:21.520 that that like, right, we want to come for individual 0:42:21.560 --> 0:42:23.759 instruction four times a week, And I would say a 0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:26.759 comparentcy no, and they're shocked by it because they're like, 0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:29.520 but we want to. I'm like, yeah, but it's useless 0:42:29.560 --> 0:42:32.239 for your child. It would be much better off if 0:42:32.280 --> 0:42:33.800 he came once a week to me any practice and 0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:36.560 played with his friends. And obviously with the limited golf 0:42:36.600 --> 0:42:39.080 courses here, you also have limited access for the juniors, 0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:41.200 it's quite difficult sometimes for them to get on a play. 0:42:41.880 --> 0:42:44.719 So the idea behind the kind of elite programs were 0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:47.960 basically to bring together players of similar levels, because we 0:42:48.040 --> 0:42:50.480 noticed a lot with like Josh Hill, Toby Argan, they 0:42:50.520 --> 0:42:52.640 were they were almost like a little mini team at three, 0:42:53.239 --> 0:42:55.600 and as they grew up they pushed each other. So 0:42:56.120 --> 0:42:57.879 off the back of that we were like, Okay, there's 0:42:57.880 --> 0:43:01.920 definitely something in having groups of kids similar level create 0:43:02.000 --> 0:43:04.960 friendships and also push each other and push them in 0:43:05.000 --> 0:43:06.799 the right way. Like I always remember watching them play 0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:08.640 the Ballot series when Year and I think combined there 0:43:08.680 --> 0:43:11.680 was something like thirty five under power miles ahead of everybody, 0:43:12.080 --> 0:43:13.960 but like they'll be playing against each other and one 0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:15.520 of the balls to be going towards the water, the 0:43:15.560 --> 0:43:17.960 other two be showing to sit because they didn't want 0:43:17.960 --> 0:43:19.560 to win by them messing up. They wanted to win 0:43:19.680 --> 0:43:22.080 by them making birdies and big the other guy, and 0:43:22.160 --> 0:43:24.759 like that always just that memory of them stood out, 0:43:24.800 --> 0:43:27.040 and to me that was the driving force. Was like 0:43:27.080 --> 0:43:29.680 trying to finish a project that JP had started, trying 0:43:29.680 --> 0:43:32.479 to give get more of those groups together that would 0:43:32.600 --> 0:43:36.319 really bring each other on, because like Okay, coaches can help, 0:43:36.800 --> 0:43:39.719 but actually it's much more about the environment that that 0:43:39.920 --> 0:43:42.640 helps them develop, because really, if we weren't here and 0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:45.439 they created that environment themselves, the chances are they would 0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:47.680 still get really good. So all we're doing is trying 0:43:47.719 --> 0:43:50.000 to basically ramp that up and go right. Well, if 0:43:50.040 --> 0:43:52.840 we can give good coaching plus that environment, they're going 0:43:52.880 --> 0:43:55.320 to get better quicker, and we're gonna get more. And 0:43:55.440 --> 0:43:56.879 for me, like last week, I said to the team 0:43:56.920 --> 0:43:59.320 last Sunday, it was just when you were arrived. I 0:43:59.440 --> 0:44:01.279 was like to me, this is the must predit day 0:44:01.280 --> 0:44:03.279 I've had a nine years. And the reason why I 0:44:03.320 --> 0:44:05.880 was at fifty four juniors. You posted that on on 0:44:05.960 --> 0:44:09.359 your Instagram account. Fifty four juniors competing across three different events. 0:44:09.400 --> 0:44:12.520 It's a Part three event, a Junior Open and Events Open, 0:44:12.560 --> 0:44:15.520 and there's fifty four kids from the academy. I'm like, 0:44:15.680 --> 0:44:18.400 that is a huge number from an academy to be 0:44:18.520 --> 0:44:21.759 competing in three events across the v The other thing 0:44:21.800 --> 0:44:23.640 I think for people listening is is is in the 0:44:23.800 --> 0:44:28.399 developing in the outside the United States, maybe outside UK 0:44:28.640 --> 0:44:32.719 and stuff. A market like Dubai is is a a 0:44:32.840 --> 0:44:35.719 developing golf market right, There isn't the A J G 0:44:35.880 --> 0:44:38.640 A right. There is some US, but you know, for 0:44:38.840 --> 0:44:41.800 the majority of people you know listen to this podcast 0:44:42.040 --> 0:44:46.160 that come from the US, it's normal for your kids 0:44:46.239 --> 0:44:47.880 to you know, in Florida where I live, there's the 0:44:47.960 --> 0:44:51.000 Hurricane Tour, there's I j G T, there's you know 0:44:51.280 --> 0:44:54.720 a j G there's there's a there's five different junior 0:44:54.800 --> 0:44:57.080 tours that your kids can play on here in in 0:44:57.239 --> 0:44:59.719 in a in a region like Dubai, there's none of that. 0:45:00.120 --> 0:45:04.600 There's no organized junior golf development tour like the A 0:45:04.800 --> 0:45:08.000 A G A like there are all around the United States. 0:45:08.120 --> 0:45:10.840 So the kids have to play in a lot of 0:45:10.920 --> 0:45:14.680 tournaments where they're playing not against their peers, not against 0:45:14.760 --> 0:45:18.200 kids their own age, they're playing against in tournaments at 0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:22.600 country clubs, at golf courses with adults. And and so 0:45:23.760 --> 0:45:26.360 I think what I love when I come here and 0:45:26.440 --> 0:45:30.439 I get so many different ideas and ways of thinking 0:45:30.480 --> 0:45:36.960 about things, is I see you developing so many more 0:45:38.960 --> 0:45:46.640 real world type drills and skills and stuff. UM, talk 0:45:46.719 --> 0:45:49.840 to me about how you come up and give me 0:45:49.960 --> 0:45:52.440 some examples of, you know, for the for the people listening, 0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:55.120 UM of an example of Okay, so you've got a 0:45:55.200 --> 0:45:58.000 junior class and this is our elite program here. These 0:45:58.000 --> 0:46:00.160 are all good players. These players all say they want 0:46:00.160 --> 0:46:02.560 to try and play competitively at some level. They all 0:46:02.600 --> 0:46:05.680 want to hopefully go play Division one college golf in America. 0:46:06.040 --> 0:46:09.759 Some of them have aspirations to play professional golf. But 0:46:10.360 --> 0:46:14.160 typical class, what are you trying to get the groups 0:46:14.239 --> 0:46:17.720 to do, because in the group lessons, they're not doing instruction, 0:46:18.400 --> 0:46:26.839 they're doing playing and testing. Talk me through that. I think, yeah, well, 0:46:27.000 --> 0:46:29.320 what we're trying to do is just recreate playing scenarios. 0:46:29.640 --> 0:46:31.799 We're also trying to challenge them mentally, like we're trying 0:46:31.800 --> 0:46:35.319 to create situations where they're going to fail because at 0:46:35.320 --> 0:46:36.960 the end of the day, like I think, it's very 0:46:37.000 --> 0:46:40.280 easy to just be that kind of parent who wraps 0:46:40.320 --> 0:46:42.200 them and bubble wrap and never lets them fail, and 0:46:42.280 --> 0:46:44.320 then all of a sudden, they end up, you know, 0:46:44.440 --> 0:46:46.680 at some point in their life or in their golfing career, 0:46:46.760 --> 0:46:48.160 and they fail and they don't know what to do. 0:46:49.040 --> 0:46:51.040 So I supposed for us, we're always trying to make 0:46:51.120 --> 0:46:53.920 them challenge and fail at different points in time, and 0:46:54.120 --> 0:46:55.799 we want them to kind of think of a lot 0:46:55.880 --> 0:46:58.759 of their sessions as play. You know, it's the opportunity 0:46:58.800 --> 0:47:01.720 to try things, the opper genity to compete. It's teaming 0:47:01.840 --> 0:47:05.000 up at different people all the time. And like examples 0:47:05.040 --> 0:47:06.400 would be, you know, the other day, we had a 0:47:06.440 --> 0:47:09.000 really simple and we had every time they had to 0:47:09.040 --> 0:47:11.200 go back to a drive, so they would alternate drive 0:47:11.440 --> 0:47:13.040 and a short game shot and a pair of too 0:47:13.680 --> 0:47:15.200 so you'd have to hit one out of two on 0:47:15.239 --> 0:47:17.080 the fairway and then they would have to do And 0:47:17.600 --> 0:47:20.359 what I like about this is also you know here 0:47:20.440 --> 0:47:22.920 in in Dubai and the u A and I think 0:47:22.960 --> 0:47:25.400 all over the world, it's hard to get juniors on 0:47:25.480 --> 0:47:28.560 the golf course. But that is a constant theme that 0:47:28.680 --> 0:47:31.279 everybody that is involved with junior golf, for all the 0:47:31.360 --> 0:47:35.840 parents listening, unless you are a very very wealthy person 0:47:35.960 --> 0:47:38.759 that lives in the United States and your child can 0:47:39.280 --> 0:47:41.640 go to a country club and they're gonna have access 0:47:41.680 --> 0:47:43.960 to the golf to a golf course. But there are 0:47:44.040 --> 0:47:46.799 so many people listening to this podcast who have who 0:47:46.880 --> 0:47:50.400 are either a junior golfer a competitive golfer that can 0:47:50.440 --> 0:47:52.160 look back at their career and say, yeah, I didn't 0:47:52.160 --> 0:47:55.279 have access to a golf course and so I think 0:47:55.360 --> 0:47:57.040 one of the things that I love about what you 0:47:57.200 --> 0:47:59.239 do and what we're trying to do here is we're 0:47:59.280 --> 0:48:03.800 trying to create ate a competitive golf course situation, but 0:48:04.120 --> 0:48:08.040 unfortunately they're not on the golf yes exactly, So like 0:48:08.160 --> 0:48:09.840 we we have to do the best for what we have. 0:48:09.960 --> 0:48:12.160 So if there's weeks where we can't get on the 0:48:12.200 --> 0:48:15.400 golf course, we will straight away go towards skill testing 0:48:15.640 --> 0:48:18.280 and having some fun with them doing that and again 0:48:18.520 --> 0:48:21.400 making them see practice as played. The worst thing for 0:48:21.560 --> 0:48:23.279 them is standing on a range for four and a 0:48:23.280 --> 0:48:25.759 half hours hitting golf ball after golf ball, and then 0:48:25.800 --> 0:48:27.279 they go on the golf course and they have no 0:48:27.400 --> 0:48:30.960 idea how to actually hit shots. Um. So we're always 0:48:30.960 --> 0:48:33.239 trying to recreate the environment where we can't access the 0:48:33.280 --> 0:48:35.920 golf course, and then if we have any kind of 0:48:36.080 --> 0:48:38.120 time to get on the golf course, we'll just bring 0:48:38.200 --> 0:48:40.279 them straight out and we'll do different things, but on 0:48:40.440 --> 0:48:43.520 the golf course and wherever possible, because ultimately that's what 0:48:43.600 --> 0:48:45.960 we have to do. It's play. It's actually how do 0:48:46.000 --> 0:48:48.040 you get involved from ah being the lowest of many structs, 0:48:48.480 --> 0:48:50.360 and it's interested in seeing the kids because you have 0:48:50.400 --> 0:48:52.239 certain ones who are really polished and look great in 0:48:52.280 --> 0:48:54.120 the range and the cant go and score, and then 0:48:54.160 --> 0:48:56.520 you have other ones who look very average, they don't 0:48:56.520 --> 0:48:58.960 look great in certain tests and things, but then they 0:48:59.200 --> 0:49:01.920 really are good at putting it together. And I think 0:49:02.200 --> 0:49:04.400 that's the interesting thing, is how do you develop them 0:49:04.600 --> 0:49:08.040 to play better faster, not necessarily just swing the golf 0:49:08.080 --> 0:49:10.560 club really nice. And like all of our training sessions, 0:49:10.560 --> 0:49:12.800 like we'll sit in the office, the whole team, and 0:49:12.880 --> 0:49:15.480 we'll just throw around ideas and we'll try it, and 0:49:16.040 --> 0:49:18.200 you know, sometimes they're really hard on their way too hard, 0:49:18.239 --> 0:49:20.200 and we'll have to make a lastminut adjustment. And sometimes 0:49:20.239 --> 0:49:22.120 they're way too easy, and again we'll have to adjust. 0:49:22.560 --> 0:49:24.440 But it's like, I suppose the thing that I love 0:49:24.440 --> 0:49:26.400 about our team as well, is that we're all willing 0:49:26.440 --> 0:49:28.840 to throw our two cents in and talk about it 0:49:28.920 --> 0:49:30.800 and debate it. And even the other day when you 0:49:30.880 --> 0:49:33.160 did the speed test, like you said, it's like, I 0:49:33.280 --> 0:49:35.080 wasn't sure that was gonna work, but it worked really well. 0:49:35.160 --> 0:49:37.440 So let's do that more often. And it's it's that 0:49:37.520 --> 0:49:39.400 willingness for us to try things and also for the 0:49:39.480 --> 0:49:41.960 kids to try things, and sometimes they'll put their hands 0:49:42.040 --> 0:49:44.719 up and out terrible, and they'll go and work on 0:49:44.800 --> 0:49:47.160 that and you'll see them actually around the recreating those 0:49:47.200 --> 0:49:49.160 games sometimes. So if they get one they really like, like, 0:49:49.239 --> 0:49:50.840 you'll see them and you'll you'll watch them from a 0:49:50.880 --> 0:49:53.000 fire just in their own practice time, and they'll be 0:49:53.080 --> 0:49:54.800 moving around the school and you're like, oh, they're actually 0:49:54.880 --> 0:49:56.799 they've just copy that game and that's where you put 0:49:56.840 --> 0:49:58.160 a big star. And I was like, okay, do this 0:49:58.280 --> 0:50:01.120 one again, you know, because they like that, We've we've 0:50:01.160 --> 0:50:04.160 even tried to extend that into just normal clients. We 0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:06.320 started to do something called the train and Plan, So 0:50:06.640 --> 0:50:10.080 three times a week, anybody's single figure better, you can 0:50:10.120 --> 0:50:11.960 come along to this class and it's done exactly the 0:50:12.000 --> 0:50:14.520 same way. So it's done as a competitive practice, and 0:50:14.600 --> 0:50:16.319 it could include one part of the game, it could 0:50:16.360 --> 0:50:18.160 include every part of the game. You just don't know. 0:50:18.640 --> 0:50:20.520 And we'll come up with it on the on the 0:50:20.600 --> 0:50:22.239 morning off and we'll come up with some sort of 0:50:22.360 --> 0:50:24.480 challenge and they've got to compete against each other. And 0:50:24.520 --> 0:50:27.839 again it's trying to introduce play to instruction rather than 0:50:28.280 --> 0:50:30.600 just teaching them heads fing golf. So let's take a 0:50:30.760 --> 0:50:33.680 short break and we will be back right after this. 0:50:36.800 --> 0:50:43.759 All right, let's get back to the interview. So this 0:50:44.000 --> 0:50:46.560 is the part of the podcast where where people are 0:50:46.560 --> 0:50:48.920 going to get, you know, some stuff for free. Okay, 0:50:49.520 --> 0:50:53.920 So I want you to give everyone listening um a 0:50:54.040 --> 0:50:57.560 putting game that they could play, right, they could add 0:50:57.600 --> 0:51:02.000 a range at their one, a short game, one for irons, 0:51:02.080 --> 0:51:04.920 one for drivers. Come on, give me give me a 0:51:04.960 --> 0:51:08.680 good putting game that everybody listening could take out and say, okay, 0:51:09.080 --> 0:51:11.360 you could just this is this is kind of the blueprint. 0:51:11.840 --> 0:51:14.759 Do this one. I think probably the most valuable one 0:51:14.800 --> 0:51:16.640 that I use is that you know, putting wise is 0:51:16.640 --> 0:51:20.000 actually stolen from your a friend Cameron McCormick, and really 0:51:20.040 --> 0:51:23.000 simply your market starting point. Inside of a fifteen feet 0:51:23.160 --> 0:51:25.640 you take two teas and you basically make a gate 0:51:25.719 --> 0:51:27.600 in the middle of the line just a bit bigger 0:51:27.600 --> 0:51:29.640 than a put her head apart, and then you make 0:51:29.680 --> 0:51:31.759 a semi circle of teas behind the whole about a 0:51:31.800 --> 0:51:34.600 foot and a half. That's safe. Yeah, So you've got 0:51:34.640 --> 0:51:36.520 three points available. You've got a point if you get 0:51:36.560 --> 0:51:38.320 it through the gate. You've got a point if you 0:51:38.360 --> 0:51:40.160 get the speed right, and then the final points of 0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:41.800 ye hold. I mean, I think you have learned and 0:51:41.880 --> 0:51:46.359 and and I think it's also important to to say this, Um. 0:51:46.560 --> 0:51:48.759 This is something that my dad says all the time. 0:51:48.800 --> 0:51:50.480 And I think you've been a great adopter at this. 0:51:50.880 --> 0:51:52.800 My dad always says in seminars, you know, when he 0:51:52.800 --> 0:51:55.759 gives instruction. You know, I think my dad's the best 0:51:55.800 --> 0:51:58.600 golf instructor in the world. Um, he's on the mountain 0:51:58.640 --> 0:52:01.520 Rushmore in my opinion of golf instruction. Um. But he 0:52:01.560 --> 0:52:05.720 always says in in in seminars, I have invented nothing 0:52:06.239 --> 0:52:08.919 in golf instruction. And there are golf instructors out there 0:52:09.360 --> 0:52:12.600 that love to try and act like they've created something 0:52:12.800 --> 0:52:15.640 and it's something new and it's there as a loan 0:52:15.840 --> 0:52:18.160 and they're really secretive about it and they're not going 0:52:18.200 --> 0:52:21.600 to tell you all about it. But you've been You're 0:52:21.840 --> 0:52:24.600 looking at all of these different things that you can 0:52:24.680 --> 0:52:28.640 do from other instructors. And then you know Cam, who 0:52:28.880 --> 0:52:30.840 you and I have a tremendous amount of respect for 0:52:31.360 --> 0:52:34.200 Cam is big on um and I've had him on 0:52:34.280 --> 0:52:37.600 the podcast for Cam is big on testing and stuff 0:52:37.640 --> 0:52:41.920 like that. So you're trying to get them to feel 0:52:42.000 --> 0:52:44.920 these things. Yeah, absolutely, And you know, like I think 0:52:44.960 --> 0:52:47.200 it's always a balance, you know, You're always you know, 0:52:47.280 --> 0:52:49.960 in my head, I've always balanced probably between you know, 0:52:50.080 --> 0:52:52.320 things like that that I love to try and play with. 0:52:52.400 --> 0:52:55.480 Like I've always loved skill development, always really enjoyed that, 0:52:55.600 --> 0:52:58.839 Like looking at Cam Corey and a friend of mine, 0:52:58.920 --> 0:53:01.320 Ed cockland back and I and you know that that 0:53:01.440 --> 0:53:03.520 side really interests me because like a lot of that 0:53:03.719 --> 0:53:06.440 is very applicable. But then also like when I look 0:53:06.480 --> 0:53:09.680 at justin teaching, like he's so good again the technical 0:53:09.760 --> 0:53:12.920 side right quickly and in a very easy manner. It's 0:53:13.040 --> 0:53:14.960 it's always like it's a bit of a game, right 0:53:15.040 --> 0:53:16.960 and even with certain players, certain players are going to 0:53:17.040 --> 0:53:19.680 need more of one and work better with more of one, 0:53:19.719 --> 0:53:22.239 and certain players are more of another. And it's trying 0:53:22.239 --> 0:53:25.480 to get that balance between good technique, good method, but 0:53:25.640 --> 0:53:28.719 also getting into like, okay, well how applicable is this? 0:53:28.960 --> 0:53:31.320 Can you hit that job? And I always remember you 0:53:31.400 --> 0:53:33.200 with Toby a couple of years ago, was the first 0:53:33.280 --> 0:53:35.600 time you had met him, and he had said he 0:53:35.640 --> 0:53:37.440 wanted to play college golf and he wanted to be 0:53:37.480 --> 0:53:39.279 a PGA Tour player, and you just said to him, write, 0:53:39.320 --> 0:53:41.480 hit ten shots in the same shape, and you stood 0:53:41.480 --> 0:53:44.480 for an hour and just said no to him. And 0:53:44.560 --> 0:53:46.640 I've never seen that boy is quiet in my life. 0:53:46.680 --> 0:53:49.080 But like that hit a cord because every single day 0:53:49.120 --> 0:53:50.800 for the next month, he still there just doing that 0:53:50.960 --> 0:53:53.280 one drill and he just wanted to hit ten shots 0:53:53.320 --> 0:53:55.680 and wrote the same shape. And then he started coming 0:53:55.760 --> 0:53:57.120 up with his own way of doing it, and he'd 0:53:57.160 --> 0:54:00.040 like adding targets and add in tightness and had to 0:54:00.080 --> 0:54:03.040 be within a certain range. And like I love that 0:54:03.200 --> 0:54:05.600 because that's really applicable. And all he kept doing was 0:54:05.719 --> 0:54:08.719 like one shape, one shape, one shape, and it's yeah, 0:54:08.880 --> 0:54:11.520 we steal everything, like and because people have figured out 0:54:11.600 --> 0:54:13.479 a better way to do it. Like I I can't 0:54:13.480 --> 0:54:16.600 actually think of anything anything really that I haven't stolen 0:54:16.719 --> 0:54:19.759 from somebody. And it's just this huge mixing pot of 0:54:20.040 --> 0:54:22.279 people that have met. Like obviously, I would say a 0:54:22.360 --> 0:54:24.480 lot of it comes from justin you and your dad, 0:54:24.920 --> 0:54:27.600 because they're the three biggest influences I have had. And 0:54:27.680 --> 0:54:30.600 then like you branch off and you go, well, you 0:54:30.640 --> 0:54:32.760 know the people you've introduced me to, the guys like Cameron, 0:54:33.160 --> 0:54:34.880 you know, I love looking at his stuff and artists, 0:54:34.880 --> 0:54:36.759 and I love looking at what they do, and I'll 0:54:36.840 --> 0:54:38.400 take some of them and go, it's not really like that, 0:54:38.520 --> 0:54:40.160 And there's other stuff that will take and go it's 0:54:40.160 --> 0:54:42.120 not I really don't like that. And you kind of 0:54:42.160 --> 0:54:44.400 have to filter it because there's just so much information, 0:54:44.800 --> 0:54:48.480 like to everybody, to instructors to players, like you have 0:54:48.680 --> 0:54:50.359 to be able to filter it, and some people will 0:54:50.400 --> 0:54:53.399 be better filter than than others. And it's trying to take, 0:54:53.760 --> 0:54:56.480 you know, new stuff and go, right, Can I take 0:54:56.560 --> 0:54:58.440 one thing from it? Don't need it all, just like 0:54:58.520 --> 0:55:01.000 it's the one thing there that could help do something 0:55:01.000 --> 0:55:02.719 a little better. I think if you can do that, 0:55:02.880 --> 0:55:04.640 you get better as an instructor and you probably get 0:55:04.680 --> 0:55:07.480 better as a player. So the drill potting fifteen ft 0:55:07.600 --> 0:55:09.920 and where do you put the gate? So the gates halfway. 0:55:10.160 --> 0:55:11.719 It's just a bit bigger than a put a lens 0:55:11.719 --> 0:55:14.080 of the idea would be if you pictured like a 0:55:14.360 --> 0:55:16.640 pro tracer line that kind of goes along the ground, 0:55:17.160 --> 0:55:18.759 the goal is at the gate is in the middle 0:55:18.800 --> 0:55:20.640 of the line that you see, So the left or 0:55:20.680 --> 0:55:22.480 right pot and you read a foot a break, you're 0:55:22.560 --> 0:55:24.879 a foot left of the whole. The ball should pass 0:55:25.000 --> 0:55:27.480 through the gate for a point at good speed for 0:55:27.520 --> 0:55:30.279 another point, and if it's both are perfect the ball 0:55:30.360 --> 0:55:32.279 and going the hole, you've got three. So you hit 0:55:32.360 --> 0:55:34.400 five pots from the tee through the gate into the 0:55:34.440 --> 0:55:36.799 hole hopefully, and then you move the pot, so there's 0:55:36.800 --> 0:55:39.160 fifteen points available each time. And it's great because it 0:55:39.239 --> 0:55:42.359 helps you identify is your speed good, is your read good? 0:55:42.880 --> 0:55:45.719 Or is your start line good? And hopefully it's all three. 0:55:45.840 --> 0:55:48.800 But if you then see a problem at one, you 0:55:48.960 --> 0:55:51.160 have an area to focus on. And I think one 0:55:51.200 --> 0:55:55.040 of the things that a lot of players do is 0:55:56.000 --> 0:55:59.440 they practice their technique. It's something that that everybody who 0:55:59.520 --> 0:56:02.440 listens to the pod knows that I'm a big this 0:56:02.680 --> 0:56:10.319 balance of technique versus execution and executing what you're doing. 0:56:11.120 --> 0:56:13.360 I like what you do with all of these games. 0:56:13.400 --> 0:56:17.360 And just because it's you're working on something, you're working 0:56:17.440 --> 0:56:21.040 on the technical aspect of something. Then you're testing it. 0:56:21.920 --> 0:56:24.440 Most people think the test is going to play the 0:56:24.480 --> 0:56:27.680 golf course. You and I have talked for years. You've 0:56:27.719 --> 0:56:30.520 got to test it before you take it to the 0:56:30.600 --> 0:56:33.600 course to see if anything you're working on is actually working. 0:56:34.160 --> 0:56:37.480 And these games that you go through, actually this one 0:56:37.520 --> 0:56:40.040 where you've got three different checkpoints. You get a point 0:56:40.080 --> 0:56:42.200 for this, you get a point for this. You'll probably 0:56:42.640 --> 0:56:45.040 maybe be good at one, maybe two of them, but 0:56:45.080 --> 0:56:47.520 you'll be bad at another. So it allows you as 0:56:47.600 --> 0:56:50.200 the player to say, Okay, I've just did this little game, 0:56:50.280 --> 0:56:54.760 this little test, this little um you know, skill development thing. Okay, 0:56:55.160 --> 0:56:56.800 I'm pretty good at this. I'm pretty good. I just 0:56:56.920 --> 0:56:59.200 need to go practice that part of it, all right. 0:56:59.239 --> 0:57:01.520 Give me a short game, one short game, one bad ball, 0:57:01.719 --> 0:57:04.040 two balls. Play the worst ball each time until you 0:57:04.080 --> 0:57:06.320 finish the ball off. You have two chips, but you 0:57:06.360 --> 0:57:08.520 everyone's further from the whole. You hit two pots from there. 0:57:09.520 --> 0:57:11.680 If you hold both of them, job done. If you 0:57:11.800 --> 0:57:15.120 miss one, play two pots from there. Proper pressure that one. 0:57:15.239 --> 0:57:16.960 That's hard as well. Like you, you do that in 0:57:17.000 --> 0:57:20.040 any kind of difficult scenario. Just worst ball each time, 0:57:20.120 --> 0:57:23.720 and do that when it's it's good. Give me a 0:57:24.000 --> 0:57:29.560 full swing game test that everyone listening can do on 0:57:29.680 --> 0:57:33.240 their own driving range without any sort of other you know. 0:57:33.440 --> 0:57:35.240 That's the great thing about this. If you have a 0:57:35.400 --> 0:57:37.200 if you have a putting green, if you have a 0:57:37.240 --> 0:57:40.000 short game area, um, if you have a driving range, 0:57:40.040 --> 0:57:42.200 even if you don't have a great short game area, 0:57:42.360 --> 0:57:45.200 you can go somewhere on the on the driving range 0:57:45.240 --> 0:57:47.800 and try and make one up yourself. But give me 0:57:47.880 --> 0:57:51.160 a full swing um game that you like to see players. 0:57:52.400 --> 0:57:55.560 I always like the cheapman's track man, which is an 0:57:55.560 --> 0:57:58.400 alignment stick on your balls target line just pointed straight up. 0:57:58.840 --> 0:58:01.200 How how many steps out? So probably about four or 0:58:01.200 --> 0:58:04.160 five steps at So you have to basically hit a 0:58:04.240 --> 0:58:07.000 shape around it. So if you're fader, you've got to 0:58:07.040 --> 0:58:09.320 start at left, curve it right and can't miss over 0:58:09.400 --> 0:58:12.800 the right side of the balls target line drawer the opposite. 0:58:12.880 --> 0:58:16.040 So you hit ten balls or twenty balls, how many 0:58:16.120 --> 0:58:19.320 shots can you successfully hit with the correct starting line 0:58:19.360 --> 0:58:24.880 and the correct curve? Really simple, just start startling. Can 0:58:24.920 --> 0:58:26.600 you start it online? Can you hit the right shape? 0:58:27.080 --> 0:58:28.800 And then if if you get really good at that 0:58:28.840 --> 0:58:31.600 and you start to get high number, you can add 0:58:31.640 --> 0:58:33.760 in a finish so you can say, okay, it's gotta 0:58:33.800 --> 0:58:36.800 finish within ten yards of the target. It's gonna finish 0:58:36.880 --> 0:58:39.160 on this side, and you can add levels that you 0:58:39.200 --> 0:58:42.280 can then start to say okay, every alternating shot, there's 0:58:42.320 --> 0:58:44.680 trouble more one side than another one, So one might 0:58:44.720 --> 0:58:46.960 be the trouble right, one might be their trouble left. 0:58:47.240 --> 0:58:49.560 But you can add levels, but to be honest, most 0:58:49.600 --> 0:58:51.760 people don't get past stage one. Can you start the 0:58:51.800 --> 0:58:53.760 ball online? And can you curve it the right way? 0:58:54.120 --> 0:58:57.120 And we talk all the time, you know, And that's 0:58:57.160 --> 0:58:59.360 one of the things that that I do when I 0:58:59.440 --> 0:59:01.640 come over and spend time with the team that I 0:59:01.720 --> 0:59:05.439 think the the instructors, the young instructors that we're lucky 0:59:05.520 --> 0:59:07.439 enough to have on our team here, Like you said, 0:59:07.440 --> 0:59:10.880 they're surprised that you know, if you're trying to play 0:59:10.960 --> 0:59:13.200 and if you say you want to play competitively, as 0:59:13.280 --> 0:59:15.760 as a junior golfer and as as an amateur golfer. 0:59:16.320 --> 0:59:19.480 Um to me, if you're telling me you're you're going 0:59:19.560 --> 0:59:21.240 to want to hit a draw. If you're telling me 0:59:21.280 --> 0:59:23.400 you're gonna want to hit a fade, If you're telling 0:59:23.440 --> 0:59:25.760 me you want to hit a draw, the ball show 0:59:25.760 --> 0:59:28.240 as hell needs to start right of your target. If 0:59:28.280 --> 0:59:30.160 you're telling me you want to hit a fade, you 0:59:30.280 --> 0:59:32.320 sure as hell better be able to start the golf 0:59:32.360 --> 0:59:36.560 ball consistently left of your target. What it does after 0:59:36.720 --> 0:59:41.160 that is another that's another that's the next phase. But 0:59:41.240 --> 0:59:43.800 I think so many players are obsessed and you and 0:59:43.880 --> 0:59:46.120 I have talked about this. Um, I think so many 0:59:46.160 --> 0:59:49.880 golfers are obsessed with where the golf ball is ending 0:59:50.080 --> 0:59:54.040 up from a full swing standpoint, as opposed to where 0:59:54.160 --> 0:59:58.280 the golf ball is starting relative to the shot they're 0:59:58.440 --> 1:00:01.280 trying to actively hit. Yeah, and I think, you know, 1:00:01.400 --> 1:00:04.400 it makes me even more when I get these random 1:00:04.480 --> 1:00:06.800 videos from students and they're like, oh, what do you 1:00:06.840 --> 1:00:09.280 think of the swing? And I'm like, where the ball? 1:00:09.920 --> 1:00:12.320 Because I have no information on this swing whatsoever other 1:00:12.360 --> 1:00:14.720 than how pretty it looks. So it's like, you know, 1:00:14.840 --> 1:00:16.560 was it a push lights with a pull hook? Was 1:00:16.640 --> 1:00:18.640 it a a fade? Was it a draw? Because like 1:00:19.400 --> 1:00:22.840 the thing is, if they understood that, they'd probably be 1:00:22.960 --> 1:00:25.720 able to fix it most of the time themselves. But 1:00:25.880 --> 1:00:27.520 all I'm going to comment on is all the face 1:00:27.600 --> 1:00:30.400 look shot. But he might have hit you know, massive 1:00:30.480 --> 1:00:33.200 open face slice and impact. I can't tell anything other 1:00:33.280 --> 1:00:34.840 than seeing the first couple of pet of the ball. 1:00:35.440 --> 1:00:39.520 So like understanding start line and you know the direction 1:00:39.560 --> 1:00:42.240 of the ball is moving, it helps you figure out 1:00:42.280 --> 1:00:43.880 your own swing, you know what I mean. And if 1:00:43.960 --> 1:00:46.760 you can practice that and understand that, it makes my 1:00:46.880 --> 1:00:48.080 job a hell of a lot easier because all of 1:00:48.120 --> 1:00:50.160 a sudden when I ask you, you know, how did 1:00:50.160 --> 1:00:51.360 you hit at the weekend? Well, do you know what? 1:00:51.440 --> 1:00:53.440 I started? Everything left and it just kind of stayed there. 1:00:53.440 --> 1:00:55.560 I'm like straightaway, Oh, it's a pull. I need to 1:00:55.600 --> 1:00:57.280 get the face a bit more of it, you know 1:00:57.320 --> 1:00:59.480 what I mean? Like it. It helps me direct my 1:00:59.640 --> 1:01:01.920 coach in better. But if somebody comes in and go, 1:01:02.040 --> 1:01:04.480 I hit it, I hit it right? Okay, what it 1:01:04.600 --> 1:01:06.560 was it? Understand? Right? Was it curban? Right? Was it 1:01:06.840 --> 1:01:08.960 a push? Right? Like? Well, what was the shot? So 1:01:09.400 --> 1:01:12.680 it definitely gets people more zoned into hitting a shot 1:01:12.760 --> 1:01:15.400 and also being able to describe a shot back and 1:01:15.560 --> 1:01:17.800 understand those shots. And I think that's really you mentioned. 1:01:18.160 --> 1:01:21.320 You know, when someone shows you a picture or a 1:01:21.480 --> 1:01:23.880 video of their golf swing, like you said, you don't 1:01:23.920 --> 1:01:26.040 know where the golf ball goes, right, And we see 1:01:26.080 --> 1:01:29.640 so many junior golfers who spend an enormous amount of 1:01:29.720 --> 1:01:35.040 time looking at their own golf swing and looking at 1:01:35.200 --> 1:01:39.600 other golf swings. Um, Tommy Fleetwood, Um yeah, we all 1:01:39.640 --> 1:01:41.600 love Tommy. Right, Tommy is the best, Right, we love him. 1:01:41.640 --> 1:01:43.880 He he's moved out here to Dubai. Um, this is 1:01:43.920 --> 1:01:46.200 where he's going to make his home his two his 1:01:46.320 --> 1:01:49.360 two boys are in our junior program here. Um, and 1:01:49.480 --> 1:01:52.720 you've you've basically put them on notice that they're not 1:01:52.880 --> 1:01:57.640 allowed to video or look at their golf swings because 1:01:57.920 --> 1:02:00.240 that's all they tend to do, because that's the world 1:02:00.280 --> 1:02:03.160 they live in right there around a guy like Tommy. Um, 1:02:04.320 --> 1:02:07.680 they're looking at it all the time. And you said, listen, enough, 1:02:08.120 --> 1:02:10.880 we're not looking at the golf swing now, Um, how 1:02:11.000 --> 1:02:13.919 important do you think that is in in twenty because 1:02:13.920 --> 1:02:18.080 everybody's got everybody's got a smartphone, everybody's got The majority 1:02:18.080 --> 1:02:20.760 of the junior golfers that we teach all have the 1:02:20.840 --> 1:02:22.920 alignment rod holder where they can put the phone up 1:02:22.960 --> 1:02:24.480 and they're looking at their golf swing. They're looking at 1:02:24.480 --> 1:02:25.920 their golf swing. They're looking at their golf swing. And 1:02:26.000 --> 1:02:28.640 that's something I always say, Um, what are you looking for? 1:02:29.080 --> 1:02:32.040 Are you looking at your golf swing for something specific? 1:02:32.640 --> 1:02:35.120 Because if you are, fine, but if you're trying to 1:02:35.320 --> 1:02:39.400 look at your golf swing constantly, you've got to remember 1:02:39.480 --> 1:02:44.160 that there are so many body parts, all of these 1:02:44.200 --> 1:02:47.280 things happening in a dynamic movement pattern that's over in 1:02:47.360 --> 1:02:50.640 a second and a half to two seconds and trying 1:02:50.800 --> 1:02:54.840 to figure that puzzle out. Sometimes you can look at 1:02:55.080 --> 1:02:59.080 videos so much that you just nothing actually changes. Well, 1:02:59.160 --> 1:03:02.080 I learned that Toby. It was I always remember it 1:03:02.160 --> 1:03:04.240 was November two thousand and seventeen, and it just that 1:03:04.480 --> 1:03:07.280 I'll never forget it. I remember looking at the video, 1:03:07.360 --> 1:03:10.120 was swing on camera, and it just looked perfect, like 1:03:10.280 --> 1:03:13.520 we had the left risk perfect base. It looked like 1:03:13.920 --> 1:03:15.959 like it was almost a copy of where Tiger would 1:03:15.960 --> 1:03:19.000 have that. And we were like, we were just we 1:03:19.080 --> 1:03:21.800 were loving this swing. And he hit the ball everywhere, 1:03:22.040 --> 1:03:23.560 and I remember looking at it, and I remember you 1:03:23.600 --> 1:03:25.120 went to play the tournament and he had he had 1:03:25.120 --> 1:03:26.960 the worst stretch of tournaments I've ever seen him play. 1:03:27.320 --> 1:03:29.640 Ball was going everywhere. Swing looked amazing, and I was like, 1:03:29.720 --> 1:03:31.640 this is just wrong. It's just and I did at 1:03:31.680 --> 1:03:33.320 the time, I didn't know what it was. I didn't 1:03:33.360 --> 1:03:35.360 know why it was wrong, couldn't tell you. I said 1:03:35.400 --> 1:03:36.919 to him, right, here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna 1:03:36.920 --> 1:03:39.240 not look at video for a month, said me, and you. 1:03:39.320 --> 1:03:40.760 We're not gonna look at it. We're not allowed to 1:03:40.760 --> 1:03:42.360 look at the swing at all. We're gonna look at 1:03:42.360 --> 1:03:44.000 the ball and we're only gonna look at the ball 1:03:44.240 --> 1:03:46.120 and we're gonna see what happens. After month, we're gonna 1:03:46.120 --> 1:03:48.920 try and make a shot. And I remember we took 1:03:48.960 --> 1:03:51.360 a month no video either of us. I wasn't on 1:03:51.400 --> 1:03:53.160 every chord of swing. He wasn't let to look at it, 1:03:53.600 --> 1:03:55.600 and we focused on ball play, ball flight, ball play. 1:03:55.640 --> 1:03:56.960 And then at the end of the month we went 1:03:57.000 --> 1:03:58.840 back and looked to what the swing was because he 1:03:58.880 --> 1:04:00.920 started playing really really good. Him like right, whatever, it 1:04:01.080 --> 1:04:04.680 looked different, completely completely. I remember it got really short, 1:04:04.880 --> 1:04:07.200 his left frisk got very bold, the face was very shut. 1:04:08.200 --> 1:04:10.080 And remember saying him at that point, I'm like, right, 1:04:10.320 --> 1:04:12.640 the one thing we now know is what your swing. 1:04:12.880 --> 1:04:15.760 It's not gonna look traditional. It's always going to have 1:04:15.880 --> 1:04:17.360 to be shot at the top. And we used that 1:04:17.480 --> 1:04:19.920 for the next five years. So any time his face 1:04:19.960 --> 1:04:21.560 started to get open, you would see the ball started 1:04:21.560 --> 1:04:23.440 to go over. As soon as he did that, the 1:04:23.520 --> 1:04:25.320 first thing we would change, regardless what the rest of 1:04:25.360 --> 1:04:26.800 the swing looked like, we'd start to get a bit 1:04:26.800 --> 1:04:29.520 more closed at the top. And it always worked. Now 1:04:29.680 --> 1:04:31.640 took us fine in that model. It took us like 1:04:31.720 --> 1:04:33.880 going right, we've done something wrong here, and I had 1:04:33.920 --> 1:04:35.560 to put my hands up and go, I've done something 1:04:35.640 --> 1:04:37.960 wrong here, like I've I've told you to do all 1:04:38.040 --> 1:04:41.200 this and it clearly has not worked because he was 1:04:41.200 --> 1:04:44.640 shooting like eighty five and it looked, it looked perfect. 1:04:44.680 --> 1:04:46.840 I've still got the swing. I've kept that videos reminder, 1:04:46.920 --> 1:04:49.880 do not go for a model, and yeah, we just 1:04:50.040 --> 1:04:52.320 use that as like our theme for the next five years. 1:04:52.360 --> 1:04:56.120 And that was it. And now Toby Bishop. That was 1:04:56.160 --> 1:04:59.160 five years ago. Toby's now a freshman at the University 1:04:59.160 --> 1:05:02.360 of Florida plan for coach j C. Deacon. J C 1:05:02.480 --> 1:05:06.640 has been on the podcast UM Jamie where UM if 1:05:06.680 --> 1:05:09.000 people want to see what you're doing social wise, see 1:05:09.080 --> 1:05:11.480 what the academy is doing, where can they check that out? 1:05:11.800 --> 1:05:14.240 And they can check out Probably Instagram is the best bet. 1:05:14.400 --> 1:05:16.840 Just see his three performance Golf is their Instagram and 1:05:16.920 --> 1:05:19.640 then jam Golf coaches mine and you'll find most of 1:05:19.680 --> 1:05:24.960 the stuff there. Really. Lastly, UM, I am absolutely shocked 1:05:25.200 --> 1:05:28.320 at the UM even though it's a podcast. A lot 1:05:28.360 --> 1:05:31.480 of people can't see this the body transformation. UM, You've 1:05:31.520 --> 1:05:34.840 made from a pound standpoint. UM in pounds, I know 1:05:34.920 --> 1:05:37.480 you work in Kilo's UM. In the last two years. 1:05:37.520 --> 1:05:40.560 How much weight have you lost? If my mass is correct, 1:05:40.600 --> 1:05:44.240 it's about seventy pounds since I came to Dubai. So 1:05:44.320 --> 1:05:46.640 when you've got in Dubai from the from the day 1:05:46.720 --> 1:05:50.000 you arrived to today, you've lost in the last two years, 1:05:50.040 --> 1:05:53.160 you've lost close you've were lost well over fifty pounds. Yeah, yeah, 1:05:53.240 --> 1:05:57.720 it's thirty key, it's about sixty to seventy pounds. You're 1:05:57.760 --> 1:06:00.040 doing triathlons. Now you're about to run a marror a 1:06:00.120 --> 1:06:02.840 thon um. What was the crazy one that you just did? 1:06:03.240 --> 1:06:05.720 I just did the half Iron Man in Greece, so 1:06:05.880 --> 1:06:08.760 that was the other one. Into the Dark we do 1:06:08.920 --> 1:06:10.880 this thing, well, our Jim does this thing every year 1:06:10.920 --> 1:06:13.720 called into the Dark fifty k by, fifty k run 1:06:13.760 --> 1:06:15.440 and fifty k bike. Can we go through the night? 1:06:15.840 --> 1:06:18.480 She started seven pm and then everybody tried to finish 1:06:18.520 --> 1:06:20.720 it before light. So we did that this year as well. 1:06:20.760 --> 1:06:24.400 Which was what was the impetus? Because again we ask 1:06:24.480 --> 1:06:27.520 our as instructors, were asking our students to better themselves. 1:06:27.560 --> 1:06:29.600 What was the impetus for you to try and say listen, 1:06:30.040 --> 1:06:32.440 you know, I mean, you're you're half the person you 1:06:32.600 --> 1:06:35.640 used to be, right, what what was the catalyst um 1:06:35.920 --> 1:06:38.920 personally for you that said, Okay, something needs to change 1:06:39.040 --> 1:06:42.400 for me. I think I knew, you know, when I 1:06:42.480 --> 1:06:45.160 came to Thridian you you gave me some very very harsh, 1:06:45.280 --> 1:06:47.640 but honest words. I think people can take it in 1:06:47.680 --> 1:06:49.520 two ways. They can take it either as an insult 1:06:49.680 --> 1:06:51.560 or they can take it as somebody trying to help you. 1:06:52.040 --> 1:06:53.480 And I took it as that and it took me 1:06:53.520 --> 1:06:56.320 a while to figure out how. But I was from 1:06:56.360 --> 1:06:58.840 that moment da On trying so hard to lose weight, 1:06:59.480 --> 1:07:01.760 and then I was lucky enough to come across and 1:07:01.880 --> 1:07:05.040 it wasn't so much, you know, from to where I'm 1:07:05.120 --> 1:07:07.320 trying to body shame you. But I think one of 1:07:07.360 --> 1:07:09.200 the things that I was trying to impress upon you 1:07:09.400 --> 1:07:13.080 is listen. You're you're working with so many, you know, juniors, 1:07:13.200 --> 1:07:17.040 You're you're mentoring so many junior golfers and we're asking 1:07:17.120 --> 1:07:20.440 them to do so many things and and change things. 1:07:20.960 --> 1:07:23.600 And and I could see you, you know, we you said, hey, 1:07:23.640 --> 1:07:26.760 I want to come and work out. Listen for everybody listening. 1:07:26.760 --> 1:07:29.120 I am I am by no means an athlete, right, 1:07:29.480 --> 1:07:31.880 but you know fitness, But I I feel like it's 1:07:32.000 --> 1:07:34.600 it's my job that if I'm gonna ask my my 1:07:34.720 --> 1:07:37.400 golfers and and the athletes that we work with to 1:07:37.720 --> 1:07:40.160 get in the gym bust their ass and getting better shape, 1:07:40.680 --> 1:07:42.720 that that that's on me too. I had to do that. 1:07:43.480 --> 1:07:45.600 And that that to me was like life changing, like 1:07:45.840 --> 1:07:49.000 in the best possible way, because as much as some 1:07:49.120 --> 1:07:51.200 people might tea it is harsh, it, to me it 1:07:51.360 --> 1:07:53.760 was you were the first person that was honest enough 1:07:53.800 --> 1:07:55.920 to say it. You know, there other people and you 1:07:56.040 --> 1:07:58.440 I was heavy, but like nobody said it. And that 1:07:58.640 --> 1:08:00.440 was the moment that I could just see the you know, 1:08:00.600 --> 1:08:05.480 you were you do you struggle? You know all the time? Yeah, 1:08:05.560 --> 1:08:08.200 you were tired. And then you know, over over the 1:08:08.240 --> 1:08:10.000 course of a couple of years, I've lost a pounds 1:08:10.040 --> 1:08:12.280 and then a two and a half. Three years ago, 1:08:12.360 --> 1:08:14.280 I came across a gym close to us, call in 1:08:14.360 --> 1:08:16.880 her fight and a really good coach called Jess, and 1:08:17.320 --> 1:08:19.000 she's just kind of stuck with me along the way 1:08:19.080 --> 1:08:21.639 and just help me kick on to some crazy things 1:08:21.680 --> 1:08:23.880 that I never thought would be possible. So yeah, to me, 1:08:23.960 --> 1:08:26.519 it's just I was lucky enough to have somebody willing 1:08:26.560 --> 1:08:28.439 to be honest and then somebody to help me out 1:08:28.439 --> 1:08:31.080 along the way. And it's been been a fun couple 1:08:31.120 --> 1:08:33.200 of years. Well. As I said to you at the 1:08:33.240 --> 1:08:35.840 beginning of the podcast, UM, you are one of the 1:08:35.920 --> 1:08:39.160 instructors around the world and around the globe that largely 1:08:39.960 --> 1:08:43.760 go unnoticed. But in my opinion, UM, you're one of 1:08:43.760 --> 1:08:46.000 the best golf instructors in the world. And I'm very 1:08:46.080 --> 1:08:49.560 proud that you run the academy here and UM you 1:08:49.640 --> 1:08:52.559 know you and Justin um Parsons you know you guys 1:08:52.640 --> 1:08:55.439 are like brothers to me and and you're adopted members 1:08:55.479 --> 1:08:58.639 of the Harmon family. And I'm incredibly proud of all 1:08:58.680 --> 1:09:00.640 the work that you've done and and not only the 1:09:00.720 --> 1:09:03.880 person you become, but the instructor you become. Because let 1:09:03.960 --> 1:09:05.799 me tell you, if I'm if I'm going into battle, 1:09:05.840 --> 1:09:09.080 if I've got an instruction team and somebody says listening, 1:09:09.080 --> 1:09:11.560 you can hire a couple of people to be on 1:09:11.680 --> 1:09:14.640 your instruction team. You know you and JP or at 1:09:14.680 --> 1:09:16.400 the at the top of my at the top of 1:09:16.479 --> 1:09:18.960 my list, because UM, I want you guys on my team, 1:09:19.000 --> 1:09:21.519 and I appreciate everything you do for us. Thank you 1:09:21.680 --> 1:09:29.240 very much. So that was a deep dive into instruction 1:09:29.360 --> 1:09:34.000 with Jamie McConnell and UM, hopefully everybody will UM give 1:09:34.080 --> 1:09:35.720 him a follow and take a look at what he's doing, 1:09:35.880 --> 1:09:39.160 because he's doing something really really cool stuff. UM. And 1:09:39.560 --> 1:09:41.599 like I said, if if I've got to pick someone 1:09:42.840 --> 1:09:47.600 for UM to go to battle with from an instruction standpoint, 1:09:47.920 --> 1:09:50.960 he is top of the list. So I spent last 1:09:51.000 --> 1:09:53.920 week UM at my academy out in Dubai, Go once 1:09:53.960 --> 1:09:55.920 a year and UM Jamie and I kind of talked 1:09:55.920 --> 1:09:57.560 a little bit about it, but UM, it is a 1:09:57.600 --> 1:10:01.400 really unique kind of h obviously one of the really 1:10:01.800 --> 1:10:05.360 great cities of the world. UM. I think it's becoming 1:10:05.400 --> 1:10:07.720 an iconic city with you know, the landscape of what 1:10:07.800 --> 1:10:11.479 they've done there. And but it is a very very small, 1:10:12.120 --> 1:10:14.720 small golf market. So whenever I get a chance to 1:10:14.760 --> 1:10:17.280 go over and spend time there, UM, I'm always spending 1:10:17.320 --> 1:10:21.040 time with UM a lot of different UM people taking 1:10:21.040 --> 1:10:23.920 golf lessons. My schedule when I go to Dubai's pretty 1:10:24.200 --> 1:10:26.960 packed with giving golf lessons and it's it's interesting I 1:10:27.040 --> 1:10:29.040 get to give golf lessons from people from all over 1:10:29.040 --> 1:10:33.800 the world. And last week UM the Nationalies, I gave 1:10:33.800 --> 1:10:38.160 a lot of golf lessons to people from India, UM, Pakistan, 1:10:38.600 --> 1:10:46.200 UM Asia, UM, Russia, South Africa, UM, Northern Europeans, UM, 1:10:46.640 --> 1:10:48.519 A lot of people from the UK. So it's always 1:10:48.600 --> 1:10:51.400 interesting to kind of work with people when you when 1:10:51.439 --> 1:10:54.519 you live in the US, the predominant amount of golf 1:10:54.640 --> 1:10:57.640 lessons you give are two people UM from the U. 1:10:57.800 --> 1:11:01.519 S they're they're Americans. And I always think it's interesting, UM, 1:11:02.000 --> 1:11:06.240 how people they very very much learn differently. I mean, 1:11:06.360 --> 1:11:11.439 I think the way that people from different countries approach instruction, UM, 1:11:11.600 --> 1:11:15.120 in approach getting a golf lesson is is very very different. 1:11:15.200 --> 1:11:16.880 And and I think that's one of the cool things 1:11:16.880 --> 1:11:18.479 about what I get to do is is I get 1:11:18.520 --> 1:11:20.439 to meet a lot of different people and get to 1:11:20.479 --> 1:11:23.639 spend time with people from you know, different walks of life. 1:11:23.720 --> 1:11:26.320 But UM, last week I spent a lot of time 1:11:26.400 --> 1:11:29.840 with our juniors in our junior development program, and UM, 1:11:30.320 --> 1:11:32.519 you know, when you are dealing with with with a 1:11:32.600 --> 1:11:36.920 bunch of juniors and kids who are coming UM into golf, 1:11:37.120 --> 1:11:39.640 and they're not coming into it from kind of the 1:11:39.720 --> 1:11:41.400 way that I think a lot of people listening in 1:11:41.400 --> 1:11:44.240 the US the traditional way. UM. I touched on that 1:11:44.280 --> 1:11:46.800 a little bit. UM the junior golf UM. One of 1:11:46.840 --> 1:11:49.479 the reasons why we we've leaned heavily into junior golf 1:11:49.560 --> 1:11:52.439 development at our academy in Dubai is to is to 1:11:52.560 --> 1:11:55.320 try and give kids a pathway in the U S. 1:11:55.400 --> 1:11:59.360 It's it's easy, right, there's junior tournaments everywhere. UM yeah, 1:11:59.400 --> 1:12:02.160 there isn't probably anyone listening in any state in the 1:12:02.320 --> 1:12:06.920 US UM that doesn't have a place where UM it. 1:12:07.640 --> 1:12:10.479 You could go and put your your children into a 1:12:10.600 --> 1:12:14.000 junior development program. You could put them in junior tournaments, 1:12:14.120 --> 1:12:17.400 but UM out in Dubai, UM, it's very very limited 1:12:17.520 --> 1:12:20.559 on the amount of things that the juniors can play 1:12:21.080 --> 1:12:24.120 in together UM with their peers. They tend to play 1:12:24.160 --> 1:12:26.640 a lot of golf with adults, and so what we 1:12:26.760 --> 1:12:30.000 wanted to try and do was really kind of immerse UM. 1:12:30.120 --> 1:12:31.479 A lot of the kids that we have in our 1:12:31.520 --> 1:12:35.439 junior program UM into kind of this team concept to 1:12:35.520 --> 1:12:38.560 make them feel like they're part of UM like a 1:12:38.640 --> 1:12:40.360 high school team. I talked a little bit about that 1:12:40.439 --> 1:12:45.240 with Jamie and um UH. When when we think about 1:12:45.400 --> 1:12:47.360 when I think about people ask me, you know, you know, 1:12:47.880 --> 1:12:51.800 the topic of growing the game to me UM as 1:12:51.840 --> 1:12:55.639 an instructor I feel like I am trying to grow 1:12:55.720 --> 1:12:58.839 the game by bringing in junior golfers. I think everybody 1:12:59.360 --> 1:13:02.040 that is a off instructor around the world. UM, it's 1:13:02.080 --> 1:13:05.240 a it's a huge opportunity. It's it's a responsibility, I 1:13:05.320 --> 1:13:08.760 think too, to to bring in junior golfers to UM 1:13:09.120 --> 1:13:12.360 get them introduced to golf and UM, you know, instill 1:13:12.479 --> 1:13:16.479 all of the kind of the values. UM. You also 1:13:16.520 --> 1:13:18.640 have to remember that a lot of people from UM, 1:13:18.760 --> 1:13:21.799 developing countries that don't have a huge amount of history 1:13:21.880 --> 1:13:24.200 and golf, they don't know a lot of the traditions 1:13:24.280 --> 1:13:27.880 and the history of of the game. And UM, that's 1:13:27.920 --> 1:13:30.040 one of the things I really really like is is 1:13:30.080 --> 1:13:33.080 getting an opportunity to talk to people about you know, 1:13:33.200 --> 1:13:35.840 the history of golf and and you know, all the 1:13:35.920 --> 1:13:38.880 things that came before them. And you'd be surprised, um 1:13:40.200 --> 1:13:43.240 because of just where a lot of of of of 1:13:43.400 --> 1:13:46.280 kids live that you know, aren't immersed in a lot 1:13:46.320 --> 1:13:50.200 of the history and the the the legacy of golf. 1:13:50.880 --> 1:13:52.880 They just don't know a lot of those things. So UM, 1:13:52.960 --> 1:13:54.920 I think it's always a unique opportunity for me to 1:13:55.439 --> 1:13:57.679 to get an opportunity to kind of fly the flag 1:13:57.840 --> 1:14:00.960 for for golf and golf instruction. So UM it was 1:14:01.000 --> 1:14:03.640 a really cool UM. It was really cool week and 1:14:03.720 --> 1:14:07.240 it's a week that I always really look forward to. UM. 1:14:07.920 --> 1:14:11.400 I want to thank everyone for listening UM, and we 1:14:11.479 --> 1:14:15.080 will continue to do what the podcast does. UM bring 1:14:15.160 --> 1:14:18.280 you guests that that maybe give you hot takes, UM, 1:14:18.400 --> 1:14:21.160 maybe guests that you you didn't know. But UM just 1:14:21.280 --> 1:14:23.680 try and continue to get people on that that love 1:14:23.760 --> 1:14:27.439 golf and are passionate and golf is part of their life. 1:14:27.960 --> 1:14:30.080 Son of a which comes to you every Wednesday. We 1:14:30.200 --> 1:14:31.479 will see you all next week.