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Speaker 1: It's the son of a bunch of podcast I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Claude Harmon. You guys know the drill. We come to

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Speaker 1: you every Wednesday after last week's UM Podcasts with Pat Perez.

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Speaker 1: If you haven't UM checked that out, go check it out.

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Speaker 1: Figured we would dive into UM deep, deep deep into instruction.

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Speaker 1: So if this is for all the instructors out there,

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Speaker 1: if you're working on your game. UM. Jamie McConnell uh,

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Speaker 1: he is the director of instruction at my academy out

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Speaker 1: in Dubai. Was paying him a visit last week, as

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Speaker 1: I do every year, and this guy is easily one

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Speaker 1: of the smartest people that I know in golf instruction,

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Speaker 1: and it was really really good to get an opportunity

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Speaker 1: to UM sit down and talk to him and kind

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Speaker 1: of get his views on on how he got into instruction,

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Speaker 1: how he works and the stuff that he's doing, because

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Speaker 1: as I say in the podcast, UM, he's a huge,

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Speaker 1: huge part of of I team. But he's also been

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Speaker 1: a huge mentor for me UM because I learned so

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Speaker 1: much from other instructors and and that's the cool thing

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Speaker 1: I think about UM. What I get to do is UM,

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Speaker 1: I get to spend time with so many great people

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Speaker 1: their ideas and get their views, and UM a lot

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Speaker 1: of those ideas UM I take and and and using

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Speaker 1: my own teaching. And and Jamie is somebody that UM

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Speaker 1: he's a friend, he's a confidante, but he's also someone

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Speaker 1: that I bounce ideas off of. UM a couple of times,

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Speaker 1: you know, to three times a year, I'll be working

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Speaker 1: with a player. UM. I've done this before with him,

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Speaker 1: with with DJ, I've done this before with Brooks, with

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Speaker 1: I've worked with in the past. And sometimes I'll just

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Speaker 1: send Jamie video and say, listen, UM, give me a

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Speaker 1: fresh set of eyes on this. UM, we're trying to

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Speaker 1: get this player to do X. And UM. You know,

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Speaker 1: when you are working and engulfing as a as a player,

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Speaker 1: when you're working with a player and you're a coach,

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Speaker 1: sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees because

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Speaker 1: you're so involved in it. And and Jamie is somebody

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Speaker 1: that I will send video too of a player and say, listen,

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Speaker 1: give me your two cents on this, UM, tell me

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Speaker 1: what you think about this. And he always has kind

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Speaker 1: of a different approach and and a lot of times

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Speaker 1: it'll it'll send me down a path that I didn't

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Speaker 1: really even think that I was going to go down

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Speaker 1: if you don't know, a lot of people don't know

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Speaker 1: who Jamie is. I'm really excited for everybody to get

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Speaker 1: to know his story and listen to him talk. So

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Speaker 1: let's get straight to the interview. Jamie. How long I

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Speaker 1: can't even think of how long you've been here in

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Speaker 1: Dubai that the academy would have been. It's going into

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Speaker 1: my tenth year at Schmidt or you knew my visa

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Speaker 1: for the fourth time here, so almost a decade. It's amazing, Um,

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Speaker 1: your journey to golf instruction. I mean, obviously for everyone

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Speaker 1: listening to the podcast, I mean everybody knows, you know,

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Speaker 1: who people like my dad are and and people who

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Speaker 1: you know, David led Better, Sean Foley. But I always

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Speaker 1: you know, they do these instructor lists every year in America.

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Speaker 1: There are so many great instructors around the world. I'm biased,

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Speaker 1: your your journey to golf instruction, UM. I always think

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Speaker 1: it's interesting to find out why and how people become

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Speaker 1: and choose instruction as their profession as their career. You played,

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Speaker 1: well I ran out of cash. I had gone three years.

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Speaker 1: is how to fix it. But I'm always taken aback

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Speaker 1: by you. You probably are one of the best that

431
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,119
Speaker 1: I've ever met from an instructor. You adopt all the technology,

432
00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:49,760
Speaker 1: you know how to use SAM, you know how to

433
00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,200
Speaker 1: use captive, you know how to use all of this technology.

434
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Speaker 1: But I don't really see you use it as much

435
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Speaker 1: as I would think. Right, It's not like every single

436
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 1: lesson you give is from a full swing standpoint is

437
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 1: looking at data. Not every single putting lesson you give

438
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 1: is using technology. So there is this constant, I think

439
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 1: for the instructors and for the golf junkies out there listening,

440
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:22,359
Speaker 1: this balance of data versus real world. You know Carl Morris,

441
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,680
Speaker 1: the sports psychologists called you know, I've been on his podcast.

442
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 1: You've done a lot of work with him. He does

443
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 1: great work in the UK working with players. He looks

444
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 1: works with a lot of tour players. Um it was

445
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Speaker 1: Phil Kenyon. We were in Saudi a couple of weeks

446
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 1: ago and we were talking about the subject. Phil and

447
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 1: I are just sitting having breakfast, and you know, Phil said,

448
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 1: you know, we're talking about data and information. And Phil

449
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 1: said something and it just blew me away. He said, yeah,

450
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Speaker 1: you know, that's that's an example of information rich data

451
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:55,200
Speaker 1: I mean information rich, knowledge poor. And I said, feel

452
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Speaker 1: that's Unbelievable'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna give you full

453
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 1: credit when I use that. And he said, I didn't

454
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Speaker 1: say that. Dr Carl Moore said that, And I think

455
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 1: we are at a stage in instruction now to where

456
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 1: we are data rich, information rich, but knowledge poor and

457
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 1: how to apply that? So, how have you over the

458
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Speaker 1: last decade said, Okay, we have all of this technology

459
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,680
Speaker 1: that can tell us all of the stuff about what

460
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 1: players are doing. We no longer have to guess, we

461
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 1: no longer have to do any of this stuff. But

462
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Speaker 1: how do we use this information and use the technology

463
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Speaker 1: to help players get better? I think I've I've kind

464
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,160
Speaker 1: of had a habit to use it and reverse remember

465
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Speaker 1: doing the presentation of the track Man and I call

466
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Speaker 1: it track man without the numbers. So like I love

467
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Speaker 1: like the picture of the range, then the line and

468
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Speaker 1: just having the dead straight ball the target line, because

469
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Speaker 1: I gotta tell people to stand up and right you

470
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 1: have to start right of that and curve left and

471
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Speaker 1: like if they're slicing it to begin, and then they

472
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 1: start to do that and I'll go, well, here's your

473
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 1: path to begin, here's your path at the end. So

474
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,439
Speaker 1: it's stead of going numbers to picture, you're gonna picture

475
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: and then on hiding the numbers. And it means that

476
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,160
Speaker 1: like they actually start to get something they can feel

477
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: use and understand, and like, to me, that's the way

478
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: it should be used. It shouldn't be just like point

479
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 1: out the data. It should be like change it and

480
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 1: then go okay, it was here and now it's here.

481
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: Here's the understanding. But they immediately have the feel of

482
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,479
Speaker 1: what to do rather than the information because the information

483
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 1: to useless. And I think it always goes back to

484
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 1: like Justin used to hammer me on this and he

485
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,239
Speaker 1: committed the officent and I think it was your dad

486
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,199
Speaker 1: saying it was like, don't teach what you can't use

487
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 1: on the back then and someday and it's like you

488
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,640
Speaker 1: don't have a track on the back round and something

489
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 1: you don't have a sound, and like they're huge, the

490
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: great pieces of technology, but if you're if you're standing there,

491
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Speaker 1: you know on the last team, you've got to hit

492
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 1: a draw. It doesn't matter what information you've got, You've

493
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 1: got to be able to hit a draw, you know

494
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Speaker 1: what I mean. And that was the one thing that

495
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 1: always stood out. And he used to just absolutely obliterate

496
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 1: this and this all the time, and even watching you

497
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: and your dad teach, like there's never anything complicated. Like

498
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 1: Tom who's working for a snare or fitness trainer. You know,

499
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 1: he and said, watching you in a lesson, he just

500
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 1: came in with this shock look in his face. I'm like,

501
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: he okay, He's like, it's just so easy. What do

502
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: you mean It's so easy? He goes. He just makes

503
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 1: it look so easy. It was so simple. And you

504
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: know I always say to you, like the best lesson

505
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 1: I've ever seen you give was so maybe five year

506
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: old guy, and through it in and you had liked

507
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 1: big the biggest chicken wing you've ever seen. You had

508
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: video them not showing them. You put spin, Yeah, you

509
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: put dynamic loft on the screen and it was like

510
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: fifty five degrees and you were like, get that down

511
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 1: to thirty, and you just kept saying yeah, no, yeah,

512
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,479
Speaker 1: And by the end of it, he's got the straightest

513
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 1: left art And you've ever seen the impact change and

514
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: you're not changed and the numbers changed. And that was

515
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,679
Speaker 1: six years ago, and that lesson to me always stands

516
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 1: out and like you changed it by saying very very little,

517
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: but you changed it in a huge way. And he

518
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: understood it. He's like, oh, if the loft does this,

519
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: my arm does it. And he felt it. Yeah, in

520
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: your in you before he had even seen the change.

521
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 1: He could see the ball flight and he could feel it,

522
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 1: and he knew what he was doing. It didn't matter

523
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: about the picture looked like. But then goes out and

524
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: the picture, like you say, have some buy into it,

525
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: helps them go okay right now, you know, I mean,

526
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: there's never a day it's like that was eating. It's like,

527
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna get it. Deliferent this one based on

528
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: where you started, you know, your instruction journey, and where

529
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: you are now, how do you feel like you've evolved

530
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: and changed? You know, if you could go back and

531
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: look at the lessons. I say this all the time. Um,

532
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 1: if I could go back and find the people that

533
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: I gave lessons to when I was working at my

534
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 1: my dad's golf school in Vegas and tigers there and

535
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 1: all the best players in the world are there, I'd

536
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 1: give them their money back because I didn't I didn't

537
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: know ship. I didn't know anything. I just kind of

538
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,959
Speaker 1: knew what my dad said, I knew what some other

539
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: people said. I had no real world kind of practical application.

540
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: I was under my dad's umbrella. You know, I didn't

541
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't know anything. How is your journey

542
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: from when you've started, When you look at what you

543
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: were teaching and and trying to help players with ten

544
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: years ago, five years ago, how has that evolved? And

545
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 1: I think for the instructors and the golf chunkies listening there,

546
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: there has to be an evolution. You shouldn't know everything

547
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: when you start, right, But how is your joursey? You

548
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 1: can't know everything right, Um, how is your jour How

549
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: do you How do you teach differently now than you

550
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: taught maybe ten twelve years ago. I think I'm comfortable

551
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: with saying less and if, like if Justin's listened to this,

552
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: he'll have a chuckle at this. Like literally almost every lesson.

553
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: He used to tell me, if Jamie could just quit talking, right,

554
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: if Jamie could just learn how to quit talking, because

555
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: he's trying so hard to give all of this information

556
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: that that he's got in his head, which is all amazing,

557
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 1: fantastic information, but it's too much. But it's too much,

558
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: and it's it's I think the other thing as you

559
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: as you give more lessons and you just keep going

560
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,239
Speaker 1: back to the simple stuff. Like we had a kid

561
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: in yesterday, really good kid, shot a decent score at

562
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: the weekend, super strong, grip way behind it, and I

563
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: you know, I said to him when it was the

564
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: last time you're worked in your grip. He's like like

565
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: a year and a half on five knuckles, left hand grip,

566
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: And I said, week in your left hand and knock

567
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: left hand, right hand super under the club. And I

568
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 1: think the big difference with that is now I'm comfortable.

569
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: I know from from doing two thousand golf asens a

570
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: year for the last ten years. I know if it

571
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: fixes grip and getting the punchet, he's going to deliver perfectly,

572
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: Whereas ten years ago it's like, Okay, you're not even

573
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,719
Speaker 1: given to yourself that this will have such a big effect.

574
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: So you you kind of almost compensate by talking, and

575
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: you're trying to convince them you're smart, and like people

576
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: look at it now and go, is that it? And

577
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: I'm like yeah, and I'm like look and oh, that's

578
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: all I have to do. Yeah, And it's getting comfortable

579
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 1: with giving less. I think that's the biggest difference for me.

580
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: But I look back where I was like, I knew

581
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,479
Speaker 1: a lot of the information. I thought I knew everything.

582
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: I thought I had ten percent to learn. Now I'm like,

583
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 1: I think I've got ninety percent to learn. But it's

584
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: funny like in ten years, you're just getting used to

585
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: giving less and a lot of lessons become repetitive. But

586
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: that's not a bad thing. You know, if if if

587
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: you had everybody in a good grip post set up

588
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: takeaway chances, they're going to hit it better. There's not

589
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: many people that walk in with a perfect grip. There's

590
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: so many of the average golfers. And when I say

591
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: I say this all the time, you know, I'm lucky

592
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: to live in two worlds. I live on I live

593
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: in the tour world. I've been lucky enough to work with,

594
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: you know, some amazing players who I've learned a tremendous

595
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: amount from, and and that's you know, I think largely.

596
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: You know, probably one of the differences between you know,

597
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: the people listening to this podcast is they know who

598
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: I am because of the players I've worked with, and

599
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: they don't know who you are because they haven't heard

600
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: your name on TV. They haven't seen you on a

601
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: driving range or anything like that. But very rarely for

602
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: the average golfer. To me, average golfers are people that

603
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: you're not seeing on TV the amount day in and

604
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: day out that we see a fifteen handicapper come in,

605
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: who has got a good grip, who sets up to

606
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: the golf ball well properly, who has good ball position, right,

607
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: the basic fundamentals grip, stance, posture, alignment, the stuff in

608
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: that is so not the norm, right, It's so not

609
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: the rage right now. It's not sexy, it's not cool,

610
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: it's not the new thing. It's not to lay it

611
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: down and all that bullshit. Right, Um, so many golfers,

612
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: like you said, could improve so much by just spending

613
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: six months on having a consistent, good grip a A.

614
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say neutral, but I always say when I

615
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: look at golf swings and setups, I think so many

616
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: golfers and so many people listening to the podcast, they

617
00:29:54,360 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: have something in their set up from ball position, alignment, posture,

618
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: or grip that is extreme. It is out of the norm, right,

619
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: It is not normal for what a good player does.

620
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: Obviously there have been great players David Duval, four knuckles

621
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: in an elbow, Um Jose, Muriel thobl weak grip. There

622
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: are outliers, right, But I think it's interesting that you

623
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: say that if if that, if everyone listening would just

624
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: improve the obvious things that you do before you hit

625
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: a golf ball. You know, we always talk about you

626
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: and I have talked about this a lot a long time. Um,

627
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: the grip, the posture, the set up, the alignment is

628
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: the same thing that players that play golf on a

629
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: regular basis don't do well. And then that domino effect.

630
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: They have something extreme in their grip, they have something

631
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: extreme in their posture, they have something extreme in the

632
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: ball position that from there it's almost an accident or

633
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: just dumb lock. If they somehow match it up and

634
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: hit a good shot and that's why so many players,

635
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: Jamie come to us and say, listen, I'm hitting it

636
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: so bad. And we've talked about this. The average person

637
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: listening to the podcast that plays golf on a regular basis,

638
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: they're more surprised by the good shots than they are

639
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: by the bad shots, right, and they can't repeat the

640
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: good shot. And so it's interesting that you said that

641
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: having the basics done makes the rest of what you're

642
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: trying to do more attainable. And I always use the

643
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: example of like, if you look at the top ten

644
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: players in the world, they've all got very different swings,

645
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: very different characteristics based on how their bodies moving. You know,

646
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: you see things that you have the stories like John

647
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: ram at his foot as a child, and obviously you're

648
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: not going to get everybody to swing it the same. JT.

649
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: Justin Thomas is a bit of a throwback. You know.

650
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: We see a lot of players with that backswing being

651
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: super super vertical, that left arm plane, the high hands.

652
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: The modern golf swing is much, i would say, more

653
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: more rounded and flatter than the way JT swings the

654
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: golf club. Um, you know Jordan's speace grip. You know

655
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: when Jordan's speech came on the scene and and started

656
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: to play, you know, professionally. I think a lot of

657
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: people in golf instruction watched him, you know, tour players

658
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: to our coaches were like, yeah, I mean, the kids

659
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: got to change that grip to be able to compete.

660
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: And he hasn't changed any of them. And I think

661
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: the thing is, you know, don't look for those nuances

662
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: that they have. Look for the common out of these

663
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: they all stand too good. They all set the ball

664
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: position good. The posture is generally all good. You know.

665
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: I don't think there's many of the modern players now

666
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: as I think as the modern golfer has become taller. Um,

667
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: you know, I think most of the players that were

668
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,719
Speaker 1: starting to see you see this in players that are

669
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: starting to play, that that want to play competitively, they're

670
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: bigger then. They're bigger than they were ten fifteen years ago.

671
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: They're taller. You know a lot of the juniors that

672
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: we're seeing now that are that are choosing golf as

673
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: the pathway. Um, they're over six ft tall, right, and

674
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: so um the posture changes now you just like you said,

675
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: the top ten players in the world, their postures are

676
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: pretty good. You know, everybody sees on Instagram these positions

677
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: to where you know every year, you know, every so

678
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: often they cycle through all the different positions that players

679
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: get into at the top. But like you said, at

680
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: address ball, position wise and set up wise, the things

681
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: that they do before they hit the golf ball tend

682
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: to be they don't look the same, very very very common.

683
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: And I think that's what not only like players, but

684
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: I think coaches need to do that for longer too,

685
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: because like coaches tend to jump around a lot. We

686
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: we get people into the academy and you know, if

687
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: I know they've had lessons with somebody else, a's else.

688
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: The theme been of your lessons, as in, assuming they've

689
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: worked on one thing for a period of time, and

690
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: they go, well, I de gripped and then it de posture,

691
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: and then it did release, and then I did this,

692
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: and then it was reversed fine, and then I was

693
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: trying to get one and I'm like, how many lessons

694
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: in that? I got like six? And you're kind of like,

695
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: how are you meant to get any of that? And

696
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: then they set up to it poorly and you're like,

697
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 1: all right, grip post yourself. If you start from there,

698
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: you have a better chance of doing everything else right.

699
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 1: But you're not going to do this in a day

700
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: or a week, like this should be your plan for

701
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: the next month, two months, three months, depending on what

702
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: it is. And you'll see people want to move a

703
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: certain way because of their body, so like if their

704
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: body is always moving that way, they will have to

705
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 1: constantly work at that. Like you look at Tiger, he's

706
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: always you know, a little cross the line at the top.

707
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: You know, that never really changed through the years, except

708
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: maybe that two thousand to two thousand and two where

709
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: it was pretty much your you know, ideal or model swing.

710
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 1: But even when you see him injured or he'd come back,

711
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: it would always go a little bit that way because

712
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: that's the way his body wanted to move. And you think,

713
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: like everybody's got that, and you think Tiger never can

714
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: completely mastered it. Nobody's made the perfect game. Yet you know,

715
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: you've got to swing within your own limitations and find

716
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: your swing. I think, as you said it a couple

717
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: of years ago, you had to remember you had a

718
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: little like cube but you I think it was your

719
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: granddad swing in it, and I remember there was a

720
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: quote on it. It was like there's only one. It

721
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 1: was something like, there's only one swing for you, but

722
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: that swings not for everybody. Yeah, I mean you know.

723
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: Arnold Palmer famously said, swing your swing right, Um, do

724
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 1: you feel like people? You know? For everyone listening, I

725
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: always say, and I said that a lot this week

726
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: here in Dubai to the team. Um, you know, not

727
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: only from an instruction standpoint, but from what we're trying

728
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: to get players to do is do the obvious things. Well.

729
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: The obvious thing that you can control as a golfer,

730
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: whether you're fifteen, ten, five scratch handicapped, is the way

731
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: you set up to the golf ball. Because all that

732
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: happens before the golf swing starts. It's hard if you

733
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: feel the golf swing a little stuck and under coming

734
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: in on the inside to let go of the golf

735
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: club mid down swing and stop. If you feel yourself

736
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: start to come over it, in two seconds, your golf

737
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: swings over, it's hard to let go of the golf

738
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 1: club and say, listen, I didn't hit the ball because

739
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: I felt myself coming off, so I just stopped right time.

740
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: Tiger was famous for being able to stop his golf

741
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: swing right. The average person has got no chance to

742
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: do that. So if you do the obvious things well

743
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: in your grip, your posture, your set up, your alignment,

744
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: and like you said, just work on that for five

745
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,439
Speaker 1: six months. Just work on the grip being consistent, work

746
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: on the posture, work on the alignment, the ball position.

747
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: Then you've got a good chance to address some of

748
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: the other things, definitely, And it's it's sticking to your plan,

749
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 1: you know, sticking to the things that you know we're

750
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: going to make you better. And if everybody walked in

751
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: here with a grip posture set up that was good

752
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: and probably have a lot less gold lessons, So you

753
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like that, that to me is

754
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: and I hammer the guy who's on it. Like if

755
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,479
Speaker 1: if the grip posture has set up a good they've

756
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: got a chance. If any of those are off, it's

757
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 1: a domino effect. It's going to throw other things off

758
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: later on in the swing and then you're just firefighting.

759
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: You're just hoping that they find a way to get

760
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: the club back. And that's the thing that's within your control.

761
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: So do that really well and get really good at that.

762
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: And you know, it's the one thing I noticed what

763
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 1: our junior is like just looking at them over and

764
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 1: over and over again, especially the slightly older ones that

765
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: we've had for a few years. There's very few of

766
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: them to set up badly, you know, they all they

767
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: might get a little off of alignments and things like that,

768
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: but generally speaking, they all grip a good they all

769
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: set up to a good and it's something that the

770
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: guys have done a really good job, Like across all

771
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: of our instructors, you can see. That's why you're getting

772
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: so many good kids. It's not that we're really good

773
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: at teaching the swing and that we're really good at

774
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: just get the basics right and they can kind of

775
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: figure it out after that. You know, they all, they

776
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: all have enough time and enough skill to figure out

777
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: the golf swing. But the biggest thing is just making

778
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: sure that they're in a position from the get go

779
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: that they can allow their talent to kind of take over,

780
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: as opposed to us having to manufacture swings all the time.

781
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: Inside right there, you go, go play, go enjoy it.

782
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: You know, a good start point and you can figure

783
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: it out and play place. Guildfoot off on that. Let's

784
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: take a quick break and we are back. I think

785
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: a lot of people I think most people listening to

786
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: the pod, they know what Dubai is, right, I mean,

787
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: Dubai is kind of this iconic you know, skyscraper or

788
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: place in the desert. Um, it's very much an international destination.

789
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: I mean, we've all been, we've all marveled over the

790
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 1: last twenty five years. Um, how much Dubai has grown

791
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: and changed. And for for a lot of people that

792
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: have never been here, they come here for the first

793
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: time and it's it's literally like they're in a science

794
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: fiction movie. I mean, and they've just never seen anything

795
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: like it. So it is a it is a global place.

796
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: It is a global destination. But from a golf standpoint,

797
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: this is still a very very very small Gulf region. Um.

798
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,439
Speaker 1: You know, there's probably you know, anywhere between two to three,

799
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: maybe even four million people living here in Dubai. And

800
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: how many golf courses are there? Probably at six the

801
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: sixteen in the UA. And for those people that don't

802
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: know the U as the United Arab Emirates, it's made

803
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 1: up of different emirates. Dubai is an emerate very similar

804
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: to a state in the US. Within Dubai, just Dubai itself.

805
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: How many golf courses on a ten can't be more

806
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: than ten and the majority of the people in the

807
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: UA live in Dubai, so it's a small golf market. UM.

808
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: I'm really proud of the fact that, Um, what we've

809
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: done is helped develop players. There's a wall as you

810
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: go into our our gym facility here at the academy,

811
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: here at the Els Club. UM that it's really cool

812
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: that you did this. You put our logo in the

813
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: middle of it and then put the names and the

814
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: colleges that all the people we went to. How many

815
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: names are on that? Would you say there's all there's

816
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: a bit twenty or so on it. Probably another seven

817
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: or eight to go on it. Ye, so you know,

818
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: close to thirty kids that have gone and played some

819
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: form of college golf in America. UM. Rayhan Thomas is

820
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: at Oklahoma. Stay right now, Toby Bishop just went to

821
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: the University of Florida. You're really, I think have been

822
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: at the forefront. In my opinion, UM, I think you're

823
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: one of the best junior golf developers in the in

824
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: the world. Really. UM, you've put together this program kind

825
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 1: of like a high school golf program here in Dubai,

826
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: here in the U A which again outside the United

827
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: States just doesn't exist. You know, if you if you

828
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: played college golf in America, most likely you played high

829
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: school golf on some team. Talk me through why you

830
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: wanted to kind of. So we've created this elite junior program,

831
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 1: this elite junior team, um you know, across the board

832
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: currently our junior program here um in in Dubai, how

833
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: many kids from start from early ages to the late stages?

834
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: I mean, for a four, we've got kids in our

835
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: junior program here at start early as oh three years old,

836
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: three years old, so we go from three to elite

837
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: juniors who were in their late late teens. How many

838
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: kids do we currently have enrolled in our junior program

839
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: from the young to the old hundred hundred nine and

840
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: the junior program and then give or take there's probably

841
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: thirty in the various differently, So with that many juniors

842
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: coming through our you know, our doors here, was that

843
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: the reason why you said, okay, we've got to find

844
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: a way to create a different or another pathway for

845
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: the elite player. Yes, you know, it's developed. It was

846
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: an idea that Justin had, and Justin had begun it

847
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: just before he had left, and it was just quite

848
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: difficult to get off the ground, mainly because of the

849
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: schooling side of things. It was trying to get the

850
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: right skill to attached then and Jem's first point came

851
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: along and it was a perfect fit. But to me,

852
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 1: it was just it's trying to give them the next

853
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: little target. So like as kids, we found that when

854
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: our junior program, initially they would get to tournament ready,

855
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: which is our top one. They could reach that by fourteen,

856
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: but then they would just go into individual and we

857
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: kind of wanted to keep that team aspect to We

858
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: wanted them to feel like they could be, as you

859
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 1: said the other day, like a part of something bigger.

860
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: And we also seen the value at group stuff because

861
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:19,919
Speaker 1: we get a lot of those kids when they reached

862
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: that that like, right, we want to come for individual

863
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: instruction four times a week, And I would say a

864
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: comparentcy no, and they're shocked by it because they're like,

865
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: but we want to. I'm like, yeah, but it's useless

866
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: for your child. It would be much better off if

867
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 1: he came once a week to me any practice and

868
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: played with his friends. And obviously with the limited golf

869
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: courses here, you also have limited access for the juniors,

870
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: it's quite difficult sometimes for them to get on a play.

871
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: So the idea behind the kind of elite programs were

872
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: basically to bring together players of similar levels, because we

873
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: noticed a lot with like Josh Hill, Toby Argan, they

874
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: were they were almost like a little mini team at three,

875
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: and as they grew up they pushed each other. So

876
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 1: off the back of that we were like, Okay, there's

877
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: definitely something in having groups of kids similar level create

878
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: friendships and also push each other and push them in

879
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: the right way. Like I always remember watching them play

880
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: the Ballot series when Year and I think combined there

881
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: was something like thirty five under power miles ahead of everybody,

882
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: but like they'll be playing against each other and one

883
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: of the balls to be going towards the water, the

884
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: other two be showing to sit because they didn't want

885
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: to win by them messing up. They wanted to win

886
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: by them making birdies and big the other guy, and

887
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: like that always just that memory of them stood out,

888
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: and to me that was the driving force. Was like

889
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: trying to finish a project that JP had started, trying

890
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,479
Speaker 1: to give get more of those groups together that would

891
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: really bring each other on, because like Okay, coaches can help,

892
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: but actually it's much more about the environment that that

893
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: helps them develop, because really, if we weren't here and

894
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,439
Speaker 1: they created that environment themselves, the chances are they would

895
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: still get really good. So all we're doing is trying

896
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: to basically ramp that up and go right. Well, if

897
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: we can give good coaching plus that environment, they're going

898
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: to get better quicker, and we're gonna get more. And

899
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 1: for me, like last week, I said to the team

900
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 1: last Sunday, it was just when you were arrived. I

901
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: was like to me, this is the must predit day

902
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: I've had a nine years. And the reason why I

903
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: was at fifty four juniors. You posted that on on

904
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 1: your Instagram account. Fifty four juniors competing across three different events.

905
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: It's a Part three event, a Junior Open and Events Open,

906
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: and there's fifty four kids from the academy. I'm like,

907
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: that is a huge number from an academy to be

908
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: competing in three events across the v The other thing

909
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: I think for people listening is is is in the

910
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 1: developing in the outside the United States, maybe outside UK

911
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: and stuff. A market like Dubai is is a a

912
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: developing golf market right, There isn't the A J G

913
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: A right. There is some US, but you know, for

914
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: the majority of people you know listen to this podcast

915
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: that come from the US, it's normal for your kids

916
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: to you know, in Florida where I live, there's the

917
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: Hurricane Tour, there's I j G T, there's you know

918
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 1: a j G there's there's a there's five different junior

919
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: tours that your kids can play on here in in

920
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: in a in a region like Dubai, there's none of that.

921
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: There's no organized junior golf development tour like the A

922
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: A G A like there are all around the United States.

923
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: So the kids have to play in a lot of

924
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: tournaments where they're playing not against their peers, not against

925
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: kids their own age, they're playing against in tournaments at

926
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: country clubs, at golf courses with adults. And and so

927
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: I think what I love when I come here and

928
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 1: I get so many different ideas and ways of thinking

929
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: about things, is I see you developing so many more

930
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: real world type drills and skills and stuff. UM, talk

931
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: to me about how you come up and give me

932
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: some examples of, you know, for the for the people listening,

933
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: UM of an example of Okay, so you've got a

934
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: junior class and this is our elite program here. These

935
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: are all good players. These players all say they want

936
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: to try and play competitively at some level. They all

937
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: want to hopefully go play Division one college golf in America.

938
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: Some of them have aspirations to play professional golf. But

939
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: typical class, what are you trying to get the groups

940
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 1: to do, because in the group lessons, they're not doing instruction,

941
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 1: they're doing playing and testing. Talk me through that. I think, yeah, well,

942
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 1: what we're trying to do is just recreate playing scenarios.

943
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: We're also trying to challenge them mentally, like we're trying

944
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: to create situations where they're going to fail because at

945
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: the end of the day, like I think, it's very

946
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 1: easy to just be that kind of parent who wraps

947
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: them and bubble wrap and never lets them fail, and

948
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, they end up, you know,

949
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: at some point in their life or in their golfing career,

950
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: and they fail and they don't know what to do.

951
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: So I supposed for us, we're always trying to make

952
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: them challenge and fail at different points in time, and

953
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: we want them to kind of think of a lot

954
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: of their sessions as play. You know, it's the opportunity

955
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,720
Speaker 1: to try things, the opper genity to compete. It's teaming

956
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: up at different people all the time. And like examples

957
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: would be, you know, the other day, we had a

958
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: really simple and we had every time they had to

959
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: go back to a drive, so they would alternate drive

960
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: and a short game shot and a pair of too

961
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: so you'd have to hit one out of two on

962
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: the fairway and then they would have to do And

963
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 1: what I like about this is also you know here

964
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: in in Dubai and the u A and I think

965
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: all over the world, it's hard to get juniors on

966
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: the golf course. But that is a constant theme that

967
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: everybody that is involved with junior golf, for all the

968
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: parents listening, unless you are a very very wealthy person

969
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: that lives in the United States and your child can

970
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: go to a country club and they're gonna have access

971
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: to the golf to a golf course. But there are

972
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: so many people listening to this podcast who have who

973
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: are either a junior golfer a competitive golfer that can

974
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: look back at their career and say, yeah, I didn't

975
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: have access to a golf course and so I think

976
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: one of the things that I love about what you

977
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: do and what we're trying to do here is we're

978
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: trying to create ate a competitive golf course situation, but

979
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: unfortunately they're not on the golf yes exactly, So like

980
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 1: we we have to do the best for what we have.

981
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: So if there's weeks where we can't get on the

982
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: golf course, we will straight away go towards skill testing

983
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 1: and having some fun with them doing that and again

984
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: making them see practice as played. The worst thing for

985
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: them is standing on a range for four and a

986
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: half hours hitting golf ball after golf ball, and then

987
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: they go on the golf course and they have no

988
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: idea how to actually hit shots. Um. So we're always

989
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: trying to recreate the environment where we can't access the

990
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: golf course, and then if we have any kind of

991
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: time to get on the golf course, we'll just bring

992
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: them straight out and we'll do different things, but on

993
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: the golf course and wherever possible, because ultimately that's what

994
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: we have to do. It's play. It's actually how do

995
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: you get involved from ah being the lowest of many structs,

996
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: and it's interested in seeing the kids because you have

997
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: certain ones who are really polished and look great in

998
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: the range and the cant go and score, and then

999
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: you have other ones who look very average, they don't

1000
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: look great in certain tests and things, but then they

1001
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: really are good at putting it together. And I think

1002
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: that's the interesting thing, is how do you develop them

1003
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: to play better faster, not necessarily just swing the golf

1004
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: club really nice. And like all of our training sessions,

1005
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 1: like we'll sit in the office, the whole team, and

1006
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: we'll just throw around ideas and we'll try it, and

1007
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes they're really hard on their way too hard,

1008
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: and we'll have to make a lastminut adjustment. And sometimes

1009
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: they're way too easy, and again we'll have to adjust.

1010
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: But it's like, I suppose the thing that I love

1011
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: about our team as well, is that we're all willing

1012
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: to throw our two cents in and talk about it

1013
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 1: and debate it. And even the other day when you

1014
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: did the speed test, like you said, it's like, I

1015
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: wasn't sure that was gonna work, but it worked really well.

1016
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: So let's do that more often. And it's it's that

1017
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: willingness for us to try things and also for the

1018
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: kids to try things, and sometimes they'll put their hands

1019
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: up and out terrible, and they'll go and work on

1020
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: that and you'll see them actually around the recreating those

1021
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: games sometimes. So if they get one they really like, like,

1022
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 1: you'll see them and you'll you'll watch them from a

1023
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: fire just in their own practice time, and they'll be

1024
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 1: moving around the school and you're like, oh, they're actually

1025
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: they've just copy that game and that's where you put

1026
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: a big star. And I was like, okay, do this

1027
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: one again, you know, because they like that, We've we've

1028
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: even tried to extend that into just normal clients. We

1029
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 1: started to do something called the train and Plan, So

1030
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: three times a week, anybody's single figure better, you can

1031
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: come along to this class and it's done exactly the

1032
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: same way. So it's done as a competitive practice, and

1033
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: it could include one part of the game, it could

1034
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: include every part of the game. You just don't know.

1035
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: And we'll come up with it on the on the

1036
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: morning off and we'll come up with some sort of

1037
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: challenge and they've got to compete against each other. And

1038
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 1: again it's trying to introduce play to instruction rather than

1039
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: just teaching them heads fing golf. So let's take a

1040
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: short break and we will be back right after this.

1041
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: All right, let's get back to the interview. So this

1042
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: is the part of the podcast where where people are

1043
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: going to get, you know, some stuff for free. Okay,

1044
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: So I want you to give everyone listening um a

1045
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: putting game that they could play, right, they could add

1046
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: a range at their one, a short game, one for irons,

1047
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: one for drivers. Come on, give me give me a

1048
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: good putting game that everybody listening could take out and say, okay,

1049
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: you could just this is this is kind of the blueprint.

1050
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: Do this one. I think probably the most valuable one

1051
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: that I use is that you know, putting wise is

1052
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: actually stolen from your a friend Cameron McCormick, and really

1053
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: simply your market starting point. Inside of a fifteen feet

1054
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: you take two teas and you basically make a gate

1055
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: in the middle of the line just a bit bigger

1056
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: than a put her head apart, and then you make

1057
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: a semi circle of teas behind the whole about a

1058
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: foot and a half. That's safe. Yeah, So you've got

1059
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: three points available. You've got a point if you get

1060
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 1: it through the gate. You've got a point if you

1061
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: get the speed right, and then the final points of

1062
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 1: ye hold. I mean, I think you have learned and

1063
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 1: and and I think it's also important to to say this, Um.

1064
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: This is something that my dad says all the time.

1065
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: And I think you've been a great adopter at this.

1066
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 1: My dad always says in seminars, you know, when he

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Speaker 1: gives instruction. You know, I think my dad's the best

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Speaker 1: golf instructor in the world. Um, he's on the mountain

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00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: Rushmore in my opinion of golf instruction. Um. But he

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Speaker 1: always says in in in seminars, I have invented nothing

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00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,919
Speaker 1: in golf instruction. And there are golf instructors out there

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00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: that love to try and act like they've created something

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00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: and it's something new and it's there as a loan

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00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: and they're really secretive about it and they're not going

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00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: to tell you all about it. But you've been You're

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00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: looking at all of these different things that you can

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Speaker 1: do from other instructors. And then you know Cam, who

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Speaker 1: you and I have a tremendous amount of respect for

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Speaker 1: Cam is big on um and I've had him on

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00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: the podcast for Cam is big on testing and stuff

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00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: like that. So you're trying to get them to feel

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00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: these things. Yeah, absolutely, And you know, like I think

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00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: it's always a balance, you know, You're always you know,

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00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: in my head, I've always balanced probably between you know,

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00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 1: things like that that I love to try and play with.

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00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: Like I've always loved skill development, always really enjoyed that,

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00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 1: Like looking at Cam Corey and a friend of mine,

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00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 1: Ed cockland back and I and you know that that

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00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: side really interests me because like a lot of that

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00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: is very applicable. But then also like when I look

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00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: at justin teaching, like he's so good again the technical

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00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: side right quickly and in a very easy manner. It's

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00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: it's always like it's a bit of a game, right

1094
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: and even with certain players, certain players are going to

1095
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: need more of one and work better with more of one,

1096
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: and certain players are more of another. And it's trying

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00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: to get that balance between good technique, good method, but

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00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: also getting into like, okay, well how applicable is this?

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Speaker 1: Can you hit that job? And I always remember you

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00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: with Toby a couple of years ago, was the first

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00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: time you had met him, and he had said he

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Speaker 1: wanted to play college golf and he wanted to be

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00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: a PGA Tour player, and you just said to him, write,

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00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: hit ten shots in the same shape, and you stood

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00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: for an hour and just said no to him. And

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00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: I've never seen that boy is quiet in my life.

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00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: But like that hit a cord because every single day

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00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 1: for the next month, he still there just doing that

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00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,280
Speaker 1: one drill and he just wanted to hit ten shots

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00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: and wrote the same shape. And then he started coming

1111
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: up with his own way of doing it, and he'd

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00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,040
Speaker 1: like adding targets and add in tightness and had to

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00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: be within a certain range. And like I love that

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00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: because that's really applicable. And all he kept doing was

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00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: like one shape, one shape, one shape, and it's yeah,

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00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: we steal everything, like and because people have figured out

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00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,479
Speaker 1: a better way to do it. Like I I can't

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00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: actually think of anything anything really that I haven't stolen

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00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 1: from somebody. And it's just this huge mixing pot of

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Speaker 1: people that have met. Like obviously, I would say a

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00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: lot of it comes from justin you and your dad,

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00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: because they're the three biggest influences I have had. And

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Speaker 1: then like you branch off and you go, well, you

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00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 1: know the people you've introduced me to, the guys like Cameron,

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Speaker 1: you know, I love looking at his stuff and artists,

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Speaker 1: and I love looking at what they do, and I'll

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00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: take some of them and go, it's not really like that,

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Speaker 1: And there's other stuff that will take and go it's

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Speaker 1: not I really don't like that. And you kind of

1130
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: have to filter it because there's just so much information,

1131
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: like to everybody, to instructors to players, like you have

1132
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 1: to be able to filter it, and some people will

1133
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 1: be better filter than than others. And it's trying to take,

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00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: you know, new stuff and go, right, Can I take

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00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: one thing from it? Don't need it all, just like

1136
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: it's the one thing there that could help do something

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00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: a little better. I think if you can do that,

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00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: you get better as an instructor and you probably get

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00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: better as a player. So the drill potting fifteen ft

1140
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 1: and where do you put the gate? So the gates halfway.

1141
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: It's just a bit bigger than a put a lens

1142
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: of the idea would be if you pictured like a

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00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: pro tracer line that kind of goes along the ground,

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Speaker 1: the goal is at the gate is in the middle

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00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: of the line that you see, So the left or

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00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: right pot and you read a foot a break, you're

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00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,879
Speaker 1: a foot left of the whole. The ball should pass

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Speaker 1: through the gate for a point at good speed for

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00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 1: another point, and if it's both are perfect the ball

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00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: and going the hole, you've got three. So you hit

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00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: five pots from the tee through the gate into the

1152
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: hole hopefully, and then you move the pot, so there's

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00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: fifteen points available each time. And it's great because it

1154
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 1: helps you identify is your speed good, is your read good?

1155
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: Or is your start line good? And hopefully it's all three.

1156
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 1: But if you then see a problem at one, you

1157
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: have an area to focus on. And I think one

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00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: of the things that a lot of players do is

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00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: they practice their technique. It's something that that everybody who

1160
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 1: listens to the pod knows that I'm a big this

1161
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: balance of technique versus execution and executing what you're doing.

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00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 1: I like what you do with all of these games.

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00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 1: And just because it's you're working on something, you're working

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00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: on the technical aspect of something. Then you're testing it.

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00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: Most people think the test is going to play the

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00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: golf course. You and I have talked for years. You've

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00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: got to test it before you take it to the

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Speaker 1: course to see if anything you're working on is actually working.

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Speaker 1: And these games that you go through, actually this one

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00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: where you've got three different checkpoints. You get a point

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00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: for this, you get a point for this. You'll probably

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Speaker 1: maybe be good at one, maybe two of them, but

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00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: you'll be bad at another. So it allows you as

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00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: the player to say, Okay, I've just did this little game,

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00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:54,760
Speaker 1: this little test, this little um you know, skill development thing. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty good at this. I'm pretty good. I just

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Speaker 1: need to go practice that part of it, all right.

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Speaker 1: Give me a short game, one short game, one bad ball,

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00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: two balls. Play the worst ball each time until you

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00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 1: finish the ball off. You have two chips, but you

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00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: everyone's further from the whole. You hit two pots from there.

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00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: If you hold both of them, job done. If you

1183
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: miss one, play two pots from there. Proper pressure that one.

1184
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: That's hard as well. Like you, you do that in

1185
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: any kind of difficult scenario. Just worst ball each time,

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00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: and do that when it's it's good. Give me a

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00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: full swing game test that everyone listening can do on

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00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: their own driving range without any sort of other you know.

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00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: That's the great thing about this. If you have a

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00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: if you have a putting green, if you have a

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00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: short game area, um, if you have a driving range,

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00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: even if you don't have a great short game area,

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00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: you can go somewhere on the on the driving range

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00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: and try and make one up yourself. But give me

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00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: a full swing um game that you like to see players.

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00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: I always like the cheapman's track man, which is an

1197
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: alignment stick on your balls target line just pointed straight up.

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00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: How how many steps out? So probably about four or

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Speaker 1: five steps at So you have to basically hit a

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00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: shape around it. So if you're fader, you've got to

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00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: start at left, curve it right and can't miss over

1202
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: the right side of the balls target line drawer the opposite.

1203
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: So you hit ten balls or twenty balls, how many

1204
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: shots can you successfully hit with the correct starting line

1205
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: and the correct curve? Really simple, just start startling. Can

1206
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: you start it online? Can you hit the right shape?

1207
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: And then if if you get really good at that

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00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: and you start to get high number, you can add

1209
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: in a finish so you can say, okay, it's gotta

1210
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: finish within ten yards of the target. It's gonna finish

1211
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: on this side, and you can add levels that you

1212
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: can then start to say okay, every alternating shot, there's

1213
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: trouble more one side than another one, So one might

1214
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: be the trouble right, one might be their trouble left.

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00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: But you can add levels, but to be honest, most

1216
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: people don't get past stage one. Can you start the

1217
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: ball online? And can you curve it the right way?

1218
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: And we talk all the time, you know, And that's

1219
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: one of the things that that I do when I

1220
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: come over and spend time with the team that I

1221
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:05,439
Speaker 1: think the the instructors, the young instructors that we're lucky

1222
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,439
Speaker 1: enough to have on our team here, Like you said,

1223
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: they're surprised that you know, if you're trying to play

1224
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: and if you say you want to play competitively, as

1225
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: as a junior golfer and as as an amateur golfer.

1226
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Speaker 1: Um to me, if you're telling me you're you're going

1227
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: to want to hit a draw. If you're telling me

1228
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna want to hit a fade, If you're telling

1229
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: me you want to hit a draw, the ball show

1230
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: as hell needs to start right of your target. If

1231
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: you're telling me you want to hit a fade, you

1232
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: sure as hell better be able to start the golf

1233
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: ball consistently left of your target. What it does after

1234
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: that is another that's another that's the next phase. But

1235
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: I think so many players are obsessed and you and

1236
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: I have talked about this. Um, I think so many

1237
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: golfers are obsessed with where the golf ball is ending

1238
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: up from a full swing standpoint, as opposed to where

1239
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: the golf ball is starting relative to the shot they're

1240
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: trying to actively hit. Yeah, and I think, you know,

1241
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 1: it makes me even more when I get these random

1242
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: videos from students and they're like, oh, what do you

1243
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: think of the swing? And I'm like, where the ball?

1244
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: Because I have no information on this swing whatsoever other

1245
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 1: than how pretty it looks. So it's like, you know,

1246
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: was it a push lights with a pull hook? Was

1247
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: it a a fade? Was it a draw? Because like

1248
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: the thing is, if they understood that, they'd probably be

1249
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: able to fix it most of the time themselves. But

1250
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: all I'm going to comment on is all the face

1251
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: look shot. But he might have hit you know, massive

1252
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: open face slice and impact. I can't tell anything other

1253
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: than seeing the first couple of pet of the ball.

1254
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: So like understanding start line and you know the direction

1255
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: of the ball is moving, it helps you figure out

1256
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: your own swing, you know what I mean. And if

1257
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: you can practice that and understand that, it makes my

1258
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: job a hell of a lot easier because all of

1259
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 1: a sudden when I ask you, you know, how did

1260
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: you hit at the weekend? Well, do you know what?

1261
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 1: I started? Everything left and it just kind of stayed there.

1262
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 1: I'm like straightaway, Oh, it's a pull. I need to

1263
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: get the face a bit more of it, you know

1264
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like it. It helps me direct my

1265
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 1: coach in better. But if somebody comes in and go,

1266
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 1: I hit it, I hit it right? Okay, what it

1267
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: was it? Understand? Right? Was it curban? Right? Was it

1268
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: a push? Right? Like? Well, what was the shot? So

1269
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 1: it definitely gets people more zoned into hitting a shot

1270
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 1: and also being able to describe a shot back and

1271
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: understand those shots. And I think that's really you mentioned.

1272
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: You know, when someone shows you a picture or a

1273
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: video of their golf swing, like you said, you don't

1274
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: know where the golf ball goes, right, And we see

1275
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: so many junior golfers who spend an enormous amount of

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Speaker 1: time looking at their own golf swing and looking at

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Speaker 1: other golf swings. Um, Tommy Fleetwood, Um yeah, we all

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Speaker 1: love Tommy. Right, Tommy is the best, Right, we love him.

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Speaker 1: He he's moved out here to Dubai. Um, this is

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Speaker 1: where he's going to make his home his two his

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Speaker 1: two boys are in our junior program here. Um, and

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Speaker 1: you've you've basically put them on notice that they're not

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Speaker 1: allowed to video or look at their golf swings because

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01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: that's all they tend to do, because that's the world

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Speaker 1: they live in right there around a guy like Tommy. Um,

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01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 1: they're looking at it all the time. And you said, listen, enough,

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01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: we're not looking at the golf swing now, Um, how

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01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,919
Speaker 1: important do you think that is in in twenty because

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01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: everybody's got everybody's got a smartphone, everybody's got The majority

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01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: of the junior golfers that we teach all have the

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01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 1: alignment rod holder where they can put the phone up

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01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 1: and they're looking at their golf swing. They're looking at

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01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 1: their golf swing. They're looking at their golf swing. And

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Speaker 1: that's something I always say, Um, what are you looking for?

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01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 1: Are you looking at your golf swing for something specific?

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01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: Because if you are, fine, but if you're trying to

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01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 1: look at your golf swing constantly, you've got to remember

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01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 1: that there are so many body parts, all of these

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01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: things happening in a dynamic movement pattern that's over in

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01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: a second and a half to two seconds and trying

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01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 1: to figure that puzzle out. Sometimes you can look at

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01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: videos so much that you just nothing actually changes. Well,

1303
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 1: I learned that Toby. It was I always remember it

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01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: was November two thousand and seventeen, and it just that

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01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: I'll never forget it. I remember looking at the video,

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01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 1: was swing on camera, and it just looked perfect, like

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01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 1: we had the left risk perfect base. It looked like

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01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:15,959
Speaker 1: like it was almost a copy of where Tiger would

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01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: have that. And we were like, we were just we

1310
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: were loving this swing. And he hit the ball everywhere,

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01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: and I remember looking at it, and I remember you

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01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: went to play the tournament and he had he had

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01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 1: the worst stretch of tournaments I've ever seen him play.

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01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 1: Ball was going everywhere. Swing looked amazing, and I was like,

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01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: this is just wrong. It's just and I did at

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01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: the time, I didn't know what it was. I didn't

1317
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: know why it was wrong, couldn't tell you. I said

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01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:36,919
Speaker 1: to him, right, here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna

1319
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: not look at video for a month, said me, and you.

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01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: We're not gonna look at it. We're not allowed to

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01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: look at the swing at all. We're gonna look at

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01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: the ball and we're only gonna look at the ball

1323
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: and we're gonna see what happens. After month, we're gonna

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01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: try and make a shot. And I remember we took

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Speaker 1: a month no video either of us. I wasn't on

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01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 1: every chord of swing. He wasn't let to look at it,

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01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: and we focused on ball play, ball flight, ball play.

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01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 1: And then at the end of the month we went

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01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 1: back and looked to what the swing was because he

1330
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 1: started playing really really good. Him like right, whatever, it

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01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 1: looked different, completely completely. I remember it got really short,

1332
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 1: his left frisk got very bold, the face was very shut.

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01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: And remember saying him at that point, I'm like, right,

1334
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: the one thing we now know is what your swing.

1335
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 1: It's not gonna look traditional. It's always going to have

1336
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 1: to be shot at the top. And we used that

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01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 1: for the next five years. So any time his face

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01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 1: started to get open, you would see the ball started

1339
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 1: to go over. As soon as he did that, the

1340
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 1: first thing we would change, regardless what the rest of

1341
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 1: the swing looked like, we'd start to get a bit

1342
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 1: more closed at the top. And it always worked. Now

1343
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 1: took us fine in that model. It took us like

1344
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: going right, we've done something wrong here, and I had

1345
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 1: to put my hands up and go, I've done something

1346
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 1: wrong here, like I've I've told you to do all

1347
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 1: this and it clearly has not worked because he was

1348
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 1: shooting like eighty five and it looked, it looked perfect.

1349
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 1: I've still got the swing. I've kept that videos reminder,

1350
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 1: do not go for a model, and yeah, we just

1351
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: use that as like our theme for the next five years.

1352
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 1: And that was it. And now Toby Bishop. That was

1353
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: five years ago. Toby's now a freshman at the University

1354
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 1: of Florida plan for coach j C. Deacon. J C

1355
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 1: has been on the podcast UM Jamie where UM if

1356
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 1: people want to see what you're doing social wise, see

1357
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 1: what the academy is doing, where can they check that out?

1358
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 1: And they can check out Probably Instagram is the best bet.

1359
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 1: Just see his three performance Golf is their Instagram and

1360
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 1: then jam Golf coaches mine and you'll find most of

1361
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 1: the stuff there. Really. Lastly, UM, I am absolutely shocked

1362
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 1: at the UM even though it's a podcast. A lot

1363
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 1: of people can't see this the body transformation. UM, You've

1364
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 1: made from a pound standpoint. UM in pounds, I know

1365
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 1: you work in Kilo's UM. In the last two years.

1366
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 1: How much weight have you lost? If my mass is correct,

1367
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: it's about seventy pounds since I came to Dubai. So

1368
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 1: when you've got in Dubai from the from the day

1369
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: you arrived to today, you've lost in the last two years,

1370
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 1: you've lost close you've were lost well over fifty pounds. Yeah, yeah,

1371
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 1: it's thirty key, it's about sixty to seventy pounds. You're

1372
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:00,040
Speaker 1: doing triathlons. Now you're about to run a marror a

1373
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 1: thon um. What was the crazy one that you just did?

1374
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 1: I just did the half Iron Man in Greece, so

1375
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 1: that was the other one. Into the Dark we do

1376
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: this thing, well, our Jim does this thing every year

1377
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 1: called into the Dark fifty k by, fifty k run

1378
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 1: and fifty k bike. Can we go through the night?

1379
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 1: She started seven pm and then everybody tried to finish

1380
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 1: it before light. So we did that this year as well.

1381
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 1: Which was what was the impetus? Because again we ask

1382
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: our as instructors, were asking our students to better themselves.

1383
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 1: What was the impetus for you to try and say listen,

1384
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you're you're half the person you

1385
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 1: used to be, right, what what was the catalyst um

1386
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 1: personally for you that said, Okay, something needs to change

1387
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 1: for me. I think I knew, you know, when I

1388
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 1: came to Thridian you you gave me some very very harsh,

1389
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 1: but honest words. I think people can take it in

1390
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 1: two ways. They can take it either as an insult

1391
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 1: or they can take it as somebody trying to help you.

1392
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 1: And I took it as that and it took me

1393
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 1: a while to figure out how. But I was from

1394
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: that moment da On trying so hard to lose weight,

1395
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 1: and then I was lucky enough to come across and

1396
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 1: it wasn't so much, you know, from to where I'm

1397
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 1: trying to body shame you. But I think one of

1398
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 1: the things that I was trying to impress upon you

1399
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 1: is listen. You're you're working with so many, you know, juniors,

1400
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 1: You're you're mentoring so many junior golfers and we're asking

1401
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 1: them to do so many things and and change things.

1402
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 1: And and I could see you, you know, we you said, hey,

1403
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: I want to come and work out. Listen for everybody listening.

1404
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: I am I am by no means an athlete, right,

1405
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 1: but you know fitness, But I I feel like it's

1406
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 1: it's my job that if I'm gonna ask my my

1407
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 1: golfers and and the athletes that we work with to

1408
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 1: get in the gym bust their ass and getting better shape,

1409
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 1: that that that's on me too. I had to do that.

1410
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 1: And that that to me was like life changing, like

1411
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 1: in the best possible way, because as much as some

1412
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 1: people might tea it is harsh, it, to me it

1413
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 1: was you were the first person that was honest enough

1414
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 1: to say it. You know, there other people and you

1415
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 1: I was heavy, but like nobody said it. And that

1416
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 1: was the moment that I could just see the you know,

1417
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 1: you were you do you struggle? You know all the time? Yeah,

1418
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 1: you were tired. And then you know, over over the

1419
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 1: course of a couple of years, I've lost a pounds

1420
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 1: and then a two and a half. Three years ago,

1421
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: I came across a gym close to us, call in

1422
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 1: her fight and a really good coach called Jess, and

1423
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 1: she's just kind of stuck with me along the way

1424
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:21,639
Speaker 1: and just help me kick on to some crazy things

1425
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 1: that I never thought would be possible. So yeah, to me,

1426
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 1: it's just I was lucky enough to have somebody willing

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01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 1: to be honest and then somebody to help me out

1428
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 1: along the way. And it's been been a fun couple

1429
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 1: of years. Well. As I said to you at the

1430
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 1: beginning of the podcast, UM, you are one of the

1431
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 1: instructors around the world and around the globe that largely

1432
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:43,760
Speaker 1: go unnoticed. But in my opinion, UM, you're one of

1433
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 1: the best golf instructors in the world. And I'm very

1434
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:49,560
Speaker 1: proud that you run the academy here and UM you

1435
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 1: know you and Justin um Parsons you know you guys

1436
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 1: are like brothers to me and and you're adopted members

1437
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,639
Speaker 1: of the Harmon family. And I'm incredibly proud of all

1438
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:00,640
Speaker 1: the work that you've done and and not only the

1439
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 1: person you become, but the instructor you become. Because let

1440
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:05,799
Speaker 1: me tell you, if I'm if I'm going into battle,

1441
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 1: if I've got an instruction team and somebody says listening,

1442
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:11,560
Speaker 1: you can hire a couple of people to be on

1443
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,640
Speaker 1: your instruction team. You know you and JP or at

1444
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 1: the at the top of my at the top of

1445
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 1: my list, because UM, I want you guys on my team,

1446
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 1: and I appreciate everything you do for us. Thank you

1447
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 1: very much. So that was a deep dive into instruction

1448
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 1: with Jamie McConnell and UM, hopefully everybody will UM give

1449
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 1: him a follow and take a look at what he's doing,

1450
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 1: because he's doing something really really cool stuff. UM. And

1451
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 1: like I said, if if I've got to pick someone

1452
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:47,600
Speaker 1: for UM to go to battle with from an instruction standpoint,

1453
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 1: he is top of the list. So I spent last

1454
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 1: week UM at my academy out in Dubai, Go once

1455
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 1: a year and UM Jamie and I kind of talked

1456
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:57,560
Speaker 1: a little bit about it, but UM, it is a

1457
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 1: really unique kind of h obviously one of the really

1458
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 1: great cities of the world. UM. I think it's becoming

1459
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 1: an iconic city with you know, the landscape of what

1460
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 1: they've done there. And but it is a very very small,

1461
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 1: small golf market. So whenever I get a chance to

1462
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 1: go over and spend time there, UM, I'm always spending

1463
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 1: time with UM a lot of different UM people taking

1464
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 1: golf lessons. My schedule when I go to Dubai's pretty

1465
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: packed with giving golf lessons and it's it's interesting I

1466
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 1: get to give golf lessons from people from all over

1467
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 1: the world. And last week UM the Nationalies, I gave

1468
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 1: a lot of golf lessons to people from India, UM, Pakistan,

1469
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 1: UM Asia, UM, Russia, South Africa, UM, Northern Europeans, UM,

1470
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 1: A lot of people from the UK. So it's always

1471
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 1: interesting to kind of work with people when you when

1472
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 1: you live in the US, the predominant amount of golf

1473
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:57,640
Speaker 1: lessons you give are two people UM from the U.

1474
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 1: S they're they're Americans. And I always think it's interesting, UM,

1475
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 1: how people they very very much learn differently. I mean,

1476
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 1: I think the way that people from different countries approach instruction, UM,

1477
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 1: in approach getting a golf lesson is is very very different.

1478
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 1: And and I think that's one of the cool things

1479
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 1: about what I get to do is is I get

1480
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 1: to meet a lot of different people and get to

1481
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:23,639
Speaker 1: spend time with people from you know, different walks of life.

1482
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 1: But UM, last week I spent a lot of time

1483
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 1: with our juniors in our junior development program, and UM,

1484
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 1: you know, when you are dealing with with with a

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Speaker 1: bunch of juniors and kids who are coming UM into golf,

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Speaker 1: and they're not coming into it from kind of the

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Speaker 1: way that I think a lot of people listening in

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01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 1: the US the traditional way. UM. I touched on that

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Speaker 1: a little bit. UM the junior golf UM. One of

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01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 1: the reasons why we we've leaned heavily into junior golf

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01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 1: development at our academy in Dubai is to is to

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01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 1: try and give kids a pathway in the U S.

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01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 1: It's it's easy, right, there's junior tournaments everywhere. UM yeah,

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Speaker 1: there isn't probably anyone listening in any state in the

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01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 1: US UM that doesn't have a place where UM it.

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Speaker 1: You could go and put your your children into a

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Speaker 1: junior development program. You could put them in junior tournaments,

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Speaker 1: but UM out in Dubai, UM, it's very very limited

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Speaker 1: on the amount of things that the juniors can play

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Speaker 1: in together UM with their peers. They tend to play

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01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,640
Speaker 1: a lot of golf with adults, and so what we

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01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 1: wanted to try and do was really kind of immerse UM.

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01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 1: A lot of the kids that we have in our

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01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 1: junior program UM into kind of this team concept to

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01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:38,560
Speaker 1: make them feel like they're part of UM like a

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01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 1: high school team. I talked a little bit about that

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Speaker 1: with Jamie and um UH. When when we think about

1508
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 1: when I think about people ask me, you know, you know,

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01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 1: the topic of growing the game to me UM as

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01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:55,639
Speaker 1: an instructor I feel like I am trying to grow

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01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:58,839
Speaker 1: the game by bringing in junior golfers. I think everybody

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01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 1: that is a off instructor around the world. UM, it's

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01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 1: a it's a huge opportunity. It's it's a responsibility, I

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01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 1: think too, to to bring in junior golfers to UM

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01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 1: get them introduced to golf and UM, you know, instill

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01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 1: all of the kind of the values. UM. You also

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01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:18,640
Speaker 1: have to remember that a lot of people from UM,

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01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:21,799
Speaker 1: developing countries that don't have a huge amount of history

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01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 1: and golf, they don't know a lot of the traditions

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01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 1: and the history of of the game. And UM, that's

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Speaker 1: one of the things I really really like is is

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Speaker 1: getting an opportunity to talk to people about you know,

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01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 1: the history of golf and and you know, all the

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01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 1: things that came before them. And you'd be surprised, um

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01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 1: because of just where a lot of of of of

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01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 1: kids live that you know, aren't immersed in a lot

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01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 1: of the history and the the the legacy of golf.

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01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 1: They just don't know a lot of those things. So UM,

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01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 1: I think it's always a unique opportunity for me to

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01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:57,679
Speaker 1: to get an opportunity to kind of fly the flag

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01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 1: for for golf and golf instruction. So UM it was

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Speaker 1: a really cool UM. It was really cool week and

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Speaker 1: it's a week that I always really look forward to. UM.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank everyone for listening UM, and we

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01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 1: will continue to do what the podcast does. UM bring

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01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 1: you guests that that maybe give you hot takes, UM,

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01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 1: maybe guests that you you didn't know. But UM just

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01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 1: try and continue to get people on that that love

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01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 1: golf and are passionate and golf is part of their life.

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Speaker 1: Son of a which comes to you every Wednesday. We

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Speaker 1: will see you all next week.