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Speaker 2: You know, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: On the field, he's a pain in the ass. And

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Speaker 1: so I'm blocking Richard and boom, I get run into behind,

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Speaker 1: you know, by McMichael, and I go, what's your problem? Man?

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Speaker 1: He goes, your damn buddy pushed you into me. What

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Speaker 1: the you gonna do about it anyway? You know? And

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Speaker 1: that's how things started, you know. And so I just

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Speaker 1: I was wrestled, you know. So uh, I just did

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Speaker 1: kind of ladder drop on him, and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: I got him down, and I got him pretty good.

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Speaker 3: What's up, everybody? I'm peanut to him?

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Speaker 4: And this is the NFL Player's second X podcast with me,

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Speaker 4: as always my trusty co hosts Roman.

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Speaker 3: I cannot golf Harper.

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Speaker 5: Well, now you're just telling him lies. So we're gonna

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Speaker 5: move on and get straight to our guests.

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Speaker 4: This guy is a Hall of Fame tackle, two time

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Speaker 4: first team All Pro, two time Pro Bowler, super Bowl

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Speaker 4: winning champion with the Chicago Bears in nineteen eighty five.

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Speaker 4: He is a healthcare executive. Please welcome to the pot,

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Speaker 4: mister Jim.

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Speaker 1: Covet pot to the pot. Thank you. A lot of

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Speaker 1: energy going on here. I like it. It's trying to

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Speaker 1: all day one podcast one.

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Speaker 3: He does not on hour five.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're trying to get.

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Speaker 3: They normally get. They normally get. So we do about

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Speaker 3: we come to.

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Speaker 4: These and we do about twenty pods. Like after like seventeen,

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Speaker 4: the producer he's kind of looking at me and he's

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Speaker 4: texting me.

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Speaker 3: Over there, mister Thomas. Mister Thomas, he's the one that's

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Speaker 3: never came with that gets mentioned.

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Speaker 1: Don't giving me the side too.

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Speaker 4: I'll if we're talking about one topic too long, he'll

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Speaker 4: text us like, all right, move on, stop talking about

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Speaker 3: So shout out to you.

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Speaker 4: There's your there's your shoutout. But h yeah, which appreciate

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Speaker 4: you coming on you bet?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, glad to be here.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'll go straight to eighty five. Why were you

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Speaker 5: not in the Super Bowl shuffle video?

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Speaker 1: Because I know it'd last forever and you guys are

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Speaker 1: probably pulled up on this podcast. I see one of

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Speaker 1: for watch fensic dance. You think I'm gonna if you

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Speaker 1: saw him dance, he had no rhythm and Steve Fuller

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Speaker 1: he couldn't wrap, you know, he couldn't dance. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to be one of those guys.

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Speaker 3: But did you guys get back late? You got back?

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Speaker 4: Like wasn't I think from what Chico or culture he

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Speaker 4: told us one time. Because he's not in it too.

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Speaker 4: I think you guys got back. I think I don't

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Speaker 3: You got back really like late or early.

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Speaker 1: Miami beat us on Monday night. They did it the

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Speaker 1: day after the Miami beat us on Monday night. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: This person's idea was that whose idea was it?

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Speaker 1: It was Willie's, so you know it was to feed

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Speaker 3: I was willly, really Willy, let's do a rap?

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Speaker 3: So the nineteen eighty three draft class.

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Speaker 4: You got yourself, Dann Marino, John Elway, Jim Kelly, Chris Dolman,

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Speaker 5: Jim, you know, my draft classes for the Saints they

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Speaker 5: Like I'm sure you guys talked about it, because when

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Speaker 1: Well? I think I think you could just tell that

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Speaker 4: We've all experienced what it's like to be in the

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Speaker 3: What was your welcome to the NFL moment?

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Speaker 1: You know, I think my welcome to the NFL moment

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Speaker 4: Coach you did go one said you set the tone

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Speaker 4: it was after practice or during practice, you and stevecmichael y'all.

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Speaker 3: Got into it and you you body slammed them.

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Speaker 4: Can you can you talk to us or tell us

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Speaker 4: a little bit about that story?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean people have talked about that, uh for

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Speaker 1: so many times. You know, God bless him. Steve was

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Speaker 4: Like y'all let all that. And I didn't even know

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Speaker 5: It was new, nobody else was kind of doing it,

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Speaker 1: That's what they want to talk about. They love Walter Payton, yeah,

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Speaker 2: And you wonder why he is trying to let it go. Still,

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Speaker 3: It's a hell of a compliment. It's a hell of

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Speaker 5: You mentioned his name, and you know, anytime we get

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Speaker 5: we always want to know what was it like not

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Speaker 5: A how hard working he was, how much the city

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Speaker 1: He was just a He's just a special person. I

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Speaker 1: else except you at that time. And he genuinely cared

435
00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:52,800
Speaker 1: about people, you know, and he was just a special person.

436
00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,760
Speaker 1: And so you know, luckily I got a chance to

437
00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,159
Speaker 1: know him, probably as well as anybody because you know,

438
00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,520
Speaker 1: Matts who in our roommates and Matt him are real tight.

439
00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,600
Speaker 1: And Matt and ire roommates on the road. So back

440
00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,159
Speaker 1: in the day. You got to remember now it's not

441
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,440
Speaker 1: like today everyone gets their own room. We had roommates

442
00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,040
Speaker 1: back in the day, you know. So the only one

443
00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,080
Speaker 1: that had their own room was Walter, and I think

444
00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:14,720
Speaker 1: he had it in his contract. That was the only

445
00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,280
Speaker 1: way he got it. But he was always over in

446
00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,200
Speaker 1: our room anyway, when we were on the road. I'll

447
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:20,720
Speaker 1: tell you what. The one thing I don't think people

448
00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:25,280
Speaker 1: give or think about him, what is how tough he was.

449
00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,520
Speaker 1: I mean he played thirteen years in a league. He

450
00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,000
Speaker 1: missed one game and he I mean I seen him

451
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,280
Speaker 1: get his ankle rolled up. I've seen him get it,

452
00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 1: you know, his knee twisted and he was still out there. Man,

453
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,119
Speaker 1: he never missed it down, went in there and got taped,

454
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,520
Speaker 1: you know, spat it over to shoe. I mean, he

455
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,120
Speaker 1: just I mean one of the toughest, I think one

456
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,159
Speaker 1: of the toughest. Are the toughest guys ever played with?

457
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,360
Speaker 2: Tell me this, we've heard how much of a prankster

458
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,720
Speaker 2: he was? Oh yeah, yeah, were you a victim of anither?

459
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:54,000
Speaker 1: Oh?

460
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:55,880
Speaker 2: All of us were okay.

461
00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,320
Speaker 1: I mean then the annual throwing and he's down in

462
00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 1: the rookie locker room. That was the annual thing he

463
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,680
Speaker 1: did every year. So you know, uh, right before the

464
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 1: second practice down came M eight and the heard the

465
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 1: ones that had like seventeen uh firecrackers on him. Yeah,

466
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,400
Speaker 1: he did that, chasing all the rookies out of there.

467
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:16,160
Speaker 6: Uh.

468
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:20,719
Speaker 1: The annual pulling the fire alarm at training camp. Uh,

469
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 1: like one of the last weeks, you know, getting everybody

470
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 1: out of everybody out of the door. He didn't even

471
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,320
Speaker 1: sleep there. He had a he had an RV. He slept.

472
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 1: He slept in the r V. Yeah, he slept. He didn't.

473
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:33,679
Speaker 1: He did'n he'd.

474
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 3: Get all you guys messy all.

475
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:36,920
Speaker 1: That was the place you'd hang out and you get

476
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 1: a beer after practice running with you know, if you

477
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 1: were lucky enough, he'd invite the a couple of linemen

478
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 1: in there and you could have a beer with him.

479
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 1: And then he would also call you up and he

480
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 1: could you know, he had that. He had that real

481
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 1: high voice. You know, I get this call and the

482
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 1: voice like Timbo, Hi, how are you? I just wanted

483
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 1: to call you. You know, we met up in Platteville.

484
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,480
Speaker 1: You know, that's where you had training camp. You were

485
00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 1: so wonderful to me, and you know, I was just

486
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 1: wondering if maybe we can meet, you know, and I go,

487
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,679
Speaker 1: who is this? You know, and I like, who is this?

488
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 1: So they're saying some crazy stuff. So I hung up

489
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 1: the phone, you know, and this before cell phones or

490
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, so then the phone rings again. I

491
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 1: told my if don't don't answer that phone, and it's

492
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 1: him laughing. You know. He was a prankster, definitely.

493
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 3: Aster That's what people say about him the most.

494
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,360
Speaker 4: I want to know your thoughts on having a thousand

495
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 4: yard rusher every season you were there except one.

496
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,879
Speaker 1: And then I was a strike here. Yeah, that was

497
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 1: a strike here.

498
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 3: So I mean that's that's that's impressive strike here.

499
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 1: So I just think we concentrated on the run and

500
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 1: that was what we were known for, was running football.

501
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,160
Speaker 1: But you remember, I mean after Walter, we had Neil Anderson,

502
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 1: who was a hell of a player.

503
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 2: I mean from Florida.

504
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 1: People don't really give him the credit he deserves. And

505
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,239
Speaker 1: you know he played like seven or eight years.

506
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 3: Yeah to watch, so I yeah, he was a.

507
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: Great receiver, fast and you know he would have played

508
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 1: a little bit earlier. But you're not gonna shit well

509
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 1: hating on the bench, you know. But they put Neil

510
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:17,160
Speaker 1: fullback and in eighty seven, and that wasn't his natural position,

511
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 1: and the strike came and everything. But then that was

512
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: Walter's last year. But yeah, he was a great player.

513
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: So we concentrated on a lot and that was what

514
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 1: we were known for, is running football. So I think

515
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,120
Speaker 1: we look we look forward to it. We look forward

516
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 1: to running the ball.

517
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 4: We're going to take a short break and we'll be

518
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 4: back in a minute.

519
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 5: Okay, I want to know about the the back injury

520
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 5: that permanently sidelined you from football.

521
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I had I had a couple things with

522
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 1: my back in eighty eight. I hurt my back in

523
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 1: training camp.

524
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 2: And was it a specific player? Was it just where.

525
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: Doing doing knuckcracker or Oklahoma drill?

526
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 3: Oklahoma drill?

527
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: Canla that You got two dummies that are probably I

528
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: don't know, six five feet apart, four feet apart something

529
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: like that, lined up like this. You got an offensive

530
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: line and defensive lineman. You got a running back getting

531
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: the ball and you got to get him out of

532
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: the hole. So they running back and run right through

533
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: it and the guys are getting hit tackled. It's just

534
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 1: seeing who's tougher, you know, And it's a toughness drill.

535
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 1: And so we did it every every training camp. I mean,

536
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 1: you did you did ten jumping Jackson. You wan't right

537
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: the knuck cracker offensive defensive line. And I was really

538
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: good at it. In fact, you know, Matt told me

539
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 1: him and Walter used to jockey and the behind lines

540
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 1: is to get behind me, right, because I was pretty

541
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: good at knuckracker. And it's just I got I got

542
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: kind of twisted the wrong way and I felt something

543
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: and yeah, so I mean I tried to I tried

544
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 1: to get a couple of quarters on shots and EPI

545
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: door and it's just in take. So I went back

546
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: and had surgery. So I was eighty eight, and and

547
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 1: I did something that was you know, that basically shortened

548
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: my career, and it was it was a stupid thing,

549
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: but I did it. And when I came back and

550
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: I played six weeks later after I had back surgery,

551
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: and and I just you know, it wasn't good. I

552
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: played about a quarter. I just couldn't do it. I

553
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: should have never been out there and then I went

554
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: on IR and and then I came back and I

555
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 1: started the last eight games of the year, and we

556
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: went to the NFC Championship game, got beat by San

557
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: Francisco at home. But that was I should have never

558
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 1: done that. I think if I would have taken the

559
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 1: year off and and you know, got healthy, you know,

560
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 1: did the things I should have been able to do

561
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: to cobet come back, I would have been way better off.

562
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: So it just never was the same after that, you know.

563
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: And then I I played in eighty nine, I played

564
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: in ninety and I just never was the same.

565
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 3: Player, you know, just lets me excuse me.

566
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 4: That just makes me feel even more blessed because of

567
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 4: nine off season or yeah, OTAs, I fractured, not fractured,

568
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 4: but I had a slip disc you know, L five

569
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 4: one her nation of my hernia and disc of mine

570
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 4: and I had surgery on in July. Missed all of

571
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 4: training camp and I was ready week one, so I

572
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 4: probably had surgery six weeks later. In that week one,

573
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 4: we played Green Bay. We ended up winning the game,

574
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 4: but I came I came back like way too early.

575
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 4: But at the same time, I was very fortunate to

576
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 4: where I didn't have any you know, I'm a dB,

577
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 4: so I do more running than actually actually hitting.

578
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 3: So I'm it just made me.

579
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 4: When you said that, I was like, damn, I'm thank Jesus,

580
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 4: I'm super blessed because.

581
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're not the same position as you know,

582
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: you're not you're not down, you know, uh, you're trying

583
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: to get leverage in your helmets on this car. And

584
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: so yeah, I just never was the same and and

585
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,719
Speaker 1: I just you know, I uh, I don't have any regrets.

586
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I would have done it all over again.

587
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,479
Speaker 1: But looking back on it, it was, it was. It was.

588
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: It's definitely shortened my career. And that was never the

589
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: same player.

590
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, so how tough was it for you to walk away?

591
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 1: So then in in ninety one training camp, I I

592
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: heard it again and uh, just in a blocking draw,

593
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: wasn't knucker, And I just got uh, I said, that's it.

594
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: I'm not going to play anymore. They put me on

595
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 1: member Plan B. They put me on Plan B. You

596
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: guys are too young for that, but they put you

597
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: on Plan B.

598
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 3: I was like a female thing.

599
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Plan B was they were able to It

600
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: was after the strike, so there was no agreement, right,

601
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: and so there was no uh, collective bargaining agreement anymore

602
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: until they had to redo it. And so it is

603
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: plan B where they can they put you on this

604
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: list and you were you was basically a waiver wire.

605
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: I got you and if no one claimed you, you could

606
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: come back and uh and so I was talking a

607
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: couple of teams and uh, and I just said, just

608
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: want to do it anymore? And I made the right decision. Yeah. Yeah,

609
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: I'm sixty five years old and I'm upright and not

610
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: walking around, you know, bent over. So I'm happy I

611
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: made the right decision.

612
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 2: Did Yeah.

613
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 5: So is it true that in nineteen ninety you played

614
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 5: a game so well that they wanted to select you

615
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 5: to be Offensive Player.

616
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 2: Of the Week.

617
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 5: Yet you chose You told them I only want the

618
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 5: ward if the whole old line can get it.

619
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so they gave it to you.

620
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 5: You guys like the first offensive line to win an

621
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 5: Offensive Player of the Week.

622
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 2: This is a true statement.

623
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: Yes, I did. They came to me and they wanted to.

624
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: It was against Arizona out there, and they came to

625
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: me and asked me if I wanted to. You know,

626
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: they they selected me for and I said, I'm not

627
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: going to accept that unless it's just for the entire

628
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: offensive line. I just felt like, you know, we were playing, well,

629
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: we were on a roll. You remember one thing about

630
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: offensive lineman, right, I mean, he plays, he plays a group,

631
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: and we try to have that mentality. If you single

632
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: so many defensive linemans, their defense players are different.

633
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 2: You know.

634
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: Defensive lineman is like, I'm you know, I'm MVP. I'm

635
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: you know, Uh, I got five sacks, I'm player of

636
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: the week. You know that's good, but you know it's

637
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: a little different. You do that in an offensive line,

638
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: you wreck the you wreck the harmony, you know what

639
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: I mean. And uh, next thing, you know, you got

640
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: guys looking at you. Now, yeah, you know you're the guy.

641
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 3: And then then then.

642
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: Your offensive player of the week, right, I mean, then

643
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: you might have to play against some guys got like

644
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: fourteen sacks, you know, and next thing, you know, you

645
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: might give up a couple of sacks, you know, because

646
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: that guy's gonna say, hey, that's the offensive player of

647
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: the week. I'm gonna go after that guy and see

648
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: how many sacks I can get on them, you know.

649
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: And so it was just for me. It was just

650
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: the right thing to do for offensive line, and I

651
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: didn't want to I didn't want to be singled out.

652
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Speaker 1: And uh, it was a funny thing because what happened was,

653
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: you know, in the NFL, they really wanted to make

654
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: an offensive line lineman offensive you know, offensive player of

655
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Speaker 1: the week. So a couple of weeks later they had

656
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Speaker 1: Jim lshe you know, they made Jim Lechee. He was

657
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: a left tackle for Washington offensive player of the week.

658
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: He made the Pro Bowl and I didn't make the

659
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. So that's how that works.

660
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 2: It's a popularity content.

661
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was like, you know what I mean,

662
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: still made the right decision. I never regret that, you know,

663
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: because it was the right thing to do and for us,

664
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Speaker 1: and it worked out.

665
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

666
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Speaker 4: Now I want to I want to talk about Uh,

667
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 4: I want to talk about your second acts.

668
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 3: You're you're you're out of football, you retire, you.

669
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Speaker 4: Walk away from the game, and you get into the

670
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 4: healthcare space. So currently right now you are the operating

671
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 4: partner at Chrissy and Company.

672
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 3: How did you get into the healthcare space.

673
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: I like to say it's like a thirty year overnight success.

674
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: You know, that's what people always would ask me, like

675
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: when I became a c O, They're like, how'd you

676
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: get that? Gig? I said, what do you think I've

677
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: been doing for the last twenty years? First of all,

678
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: we didn't make the kind of money they're making today,

679
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: so you had to go out of You had to

680
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: go out and work if you want to have the

681
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: same lifestyle. And I think one thing that for today,

682
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting because of all this stuff

683
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: going on in college football, you know, with with nil

684
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: and transfer portal and all this stuff for these kids

685
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: to get degrees at all. Right, and you know I

686
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: left Pitt I was fifteen credit shy because you know,

687
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: back then you had the bowl games. We played in

688
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: the Comton Bowl, and then we had the Hula Bowl.

689
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,479
Speaker 1: Right then you had to Senior Bowl, right, and we

690
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: were on quarters. So we started school like January fourth, right,

691
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: and then back then, you know, they had combines all

692
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: over the place. Now they got one that big combine

693
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: they had in Minneapolis. You had to go all over

694
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: the place. So multiple Oh yeah, we had they had

695
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: blessed though, Bears, Lions, eaglest you had to go to

696
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: that one. And then they had another one. Right, it

697
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: was out in Seattle, and then they had then they

698
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: would fly you places right and you would go meet

699
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: teams right. Some wanted you to work out someone as

700
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: you didn't work out. So, you know, I get back

701
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: and it's like January, like thirtieth or first February, and

702
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: I didn't go to one class, you know. So I

703
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: went to my professor's and I said, what do you

704
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: think they go? You don't have a shot. So I

705
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: just took all ws and and then the next year

706
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: I plan on going back and I just didn't, you know.

707
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: And so it was about my sixth year in the league,

708
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: seventh year in the league. The NFL was sponsoring this

709
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: thing where they were having schools focus on getting NFL

710
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: players back to college. And the Pall in Chicago was

711
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: one of the sponsors of it. And so I took

712
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: four classes at the Paul and I took one class

713
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: at it as an independent study. And I graduated. And

714
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: so I remember I was talking to who I think

715
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: it was this a guy was really for me. Was

716
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: my mentor was a guy named vern Loux. He was

717
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: a president's CEO of Baxter Healthcare. I got a chance

718
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: to know him and I had lunch of them, and

719
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: he said, what do you think you want to do

720
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,479
Speaker 1: when you're done playing? I said, I have no idea,

721
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: And he said, what's your degree in? And I said

722
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: English And he said, if I'd have said I didn't

723
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: have a degree, end of discussion, right, end of story.

724
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: So that's what worries me about these kids coming out

725
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: right now, right, I mean, because if you know, a

726
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: very very small percentage of them are going to make

727
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: it to the next level, right, and they're going to

728
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: make some bucks in school. Now, then I own all

729
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: that stuff, which is great, but that's going to be

730
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: very short lived and gone. So what are they going

731
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: to do with the rest of their life? That's what

732
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: worries me. You know, I think about that all the

733
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: time on him on the board of trustees at pitt

734
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: and you know, my alma mater. I think about it

735
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: all the time because I just feel like I was lucky.

736
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: I was one lucky ones. You know. I decided that

737
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: I knew I had to go back and and do that,

738
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: so I did. And then when I got into the

739
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: healthcare space, you know, I remember my last year I

740
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: made Now, don't laugh, anybody that's football fans, I was

741
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: the highest paid line in the league for three years.

742
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: I made four to seventy five five five on a quarter. Okay,

743
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: so I just sold that one guy just that was

744
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: high the league highest highest tackle on Me and Munos

745
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: were tied for seventy five five five other. Wow, I

746
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: just saw the just signed a left tackle for Indianapolis

747
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: for one hundred million dollars for like four years.

748
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 5: I'm like, you see the second rounders saying for eight

749
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 5: million dollars. The guy that got drafted four slots behind

750
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 5: me signed a four year, eighteen million dollar contract.

751
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 2: We had like sixteen fully gearant. I'm not mad. I'm

752
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 2: not mad.

753
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: Hey, you remember when I can you remember nineteen e

754
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: I'm man in nineteen eighty three is a fifty per

755
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: tax bracket. Now, I remember that in nineteen eighty three,

756
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: I was a sixth player picking the draft. I made

757
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: seventy five grand after after taxes. No way, okay, So.

758
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 3: Uncle Sam, why.

759
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.

760
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 5: That's crazy if I can't yeah wild.

761
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, So I just I just, uh, you know,

762
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,959
Speaker 1: I made seven hundred and fifty thousand my last year

763
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: and my first year my first job in sales at Baxter.

764
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 4: Uh.

765
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: Was sixty thousand in the cube and uh put you

766
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: back to put you back down to reality pretty quickly.

767
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 5: Are you like a big guy in the cube? Like big,

768
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 5: they're incredible.

769
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 1: Big, it's the cube exactly exactly, and uh.

770
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 3: They're incredible.

771
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 2: Great. Great, I'm glad you got that.

772
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: And I just said, I just said to myself, I'm

773
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: not going to stay here for long. Yeah, all right,

774
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work my ass off. And I just applied

775
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,240
Speaker 1: a lot of the same things I learned in sports.

776
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you got to work hard. No one

777
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: cannot work you right and uh, and you got to

778
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 1: do your homework right and uh, and there's a lot

779
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: of things you got to you got to persevere through

780
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: because you're going to have adversity, just like you are

781
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: on the football field, right, and there's gonna be different

782
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: obstacles and you got to figure out and rocks in

783
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: the road, you got to figure out a way to

784
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: get around him or remove them. And that's what I did. So, Uh,

785
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: I was really lucky to have a good mentor that

786
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: helped me. And I remember when he when he when

787
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,479
Speaker 1: when I got the job, I thanked him, I said,

788
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: thank you. And I've used this line a million times

789
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: since I've hired a bunch of people over the years.

790
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: I said, thank you for giving me the job. He goes,

791
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: I didn't give you a job. I gave you an opportunity,

792
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: and what you make of it is entirely up to you.

793
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: That's what you said to me. I was thirty two

794
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: years old, thirty three, So.

795
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 5: You know, Jim, we always ask people like you know,

796
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 5: we asked you you're welcome to the NFL moment? What

797
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 5: is the welcome to the the nine to five moment?

798
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 5: Because it it's got to be difficult, but just different.

799
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 5: I don't know about difficult, But how different was that

800
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 5: for you to have been selected where you were selected?

801
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 5: Great player at pitt You've been through the highs of

802
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 5: the highs, you turned down a Super Bowl shuffle, and

803
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 5: now I'm.

804
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 2: Working at nine to five?

805
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: You know what?

806
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 3: And when did it like hit you?

807
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: Like?

808
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 2: What was that first?

809
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 6: Like?

810
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: Man, it hit me when I got in that que

811
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: And it also hit me that nobody cares what you

812
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: did before. You know, as many doors as football open

813
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: for me, it closed just as many. Yeah, and I

814
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 1: don't think people realize that. You know, maybe now it's different,

815
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: but you know, there's a lot of guys that wanted,

816
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people you want to be,

817
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: especially in sales. People were like, hey, you know you

818
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: played for the Bears. I'm a big Bears fan. You know.

819
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: There's a lot of other people, very you know, professional,

820
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: very high ranking people were like, never gonna give you

821
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: a shot, right, And they're never gonna give you a

822
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: shot because there is just like a dumb jock. I

823
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,439
Speaker 1: don't have to give him anything, just another dumb jock.

824
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: And uh and I had to face a lot of

825
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 1: that down here, right, So didn't get mad about it.

826
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: Didn't get mad about it. I figured to work around

827
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 1: around people like that, and I figured out a way

828
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: to to uh to still do my job and not,

829
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 1: you know, not excited because you know, in a field,

830
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 1: you got a problem with someone, you beat their ass,

831
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 1: like you know, you got a problem. You just can't

832
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: do can't do that in office, and it's it's.

833
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 3: You could, but you're gonna get fired, gona get fired.

834
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 3: H I'm knocking on the dough.

835
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. So that you had to learn that rather quickly,

836
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: and uh, you had to learn how to temper your

837
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: emotions and uh and not and not take everything so personal.

838
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: When you get beat on a football field, this part personal.

839
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: You can't do that because you can't let your emotions

840
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 1: get in the way of you know, what your ultimate

841
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: goal is, and that's being successful. And so that's kind

842
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: of the way I looked at it, and every job

843
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: that I was able to progress to, I looked at

844
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: it that way. And I think I think athletes really have.

845
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 6: A special gift for that because you show them where

846
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 6: the goal line is, they'll get there right and and

847
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 6: a lot of times, you know, people people don't realize that.

848
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: So you see a lot of hard drivers, and especially

849
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: in sales and other places like that, those guys do

850
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: very very well, the ex athletes because they know where

851
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: the goal line is.

852
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 3: The never get there and we'll be right back.

853
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 5: What do you what do you think is the has

854
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 5: been your most rewarding piece of this this journey for you,

855
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 5: this second chapter in your journey.

856
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: That's a good question, you know. I think when I

857
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: ran a company for ten years, company called Institute for

858
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: Transfusion Medicine, it was really it was something it was

859
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: you know, I was in healthcare business for a long time.

860
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: I was in you know, worked for Baxter Healthcare. Then

861
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: I worked for Horizon CMS. I worked for Health South

862
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: as part of the turnaround team. So I was always

863
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: in in you know that whole uh physical therapy, outpatient

864
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: kind of you know, hospital business. And uh this was

865
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: blood blood services. You know, everything you think of it

866
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: do with blood, you know, working with hospitals, and so

867
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: it was an undertaking. So I just remember that they

868
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: had so many acronyms, more acronyms in football, you know.

869
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: I had a whole book of acronyms, you know that

870
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: I that I would have to write down. And you

871
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: know what I did the first probably four or five months,

872
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: I just listened. I just listened, and I just tried

873
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: to learn as much as I possibly could about the

874
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: business and didn't want to assume or didn't want to

875
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: think that I knew more than the people that are

876
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: already there because they had such great institutional knowledge of

877
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: the business. I was just trying to learn it. Once

878
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 1: I got a pretty good handle on it, I tried

879
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: to change a lot of things. And that was tough

880
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: because a lot of people were adverse to change. And

881
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: so what I tried to do is I tried to

882
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: put some people that I worked with before that, I

883
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: hired as change agents, you know, to work with them.

884
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: And you know, I think that's the one thing about

885
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: me and the CEO. You got to get the right

886
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: people on the bus. And sometimes the people aren't in

887
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: the right seats, and some people got to get off

888
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: the bus. Yeah, but when you can get the right

889
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: team on the bus, you can be very successful. And

890
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: that's the one thing about leadership. You know, they're looking

891
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: for that, but they're also looking for you to do

892
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: it as well, you know, and and uh, you know,

893
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: and you gotta you gotta be there and you gotta

894
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 1: show you care. So that's that's it's that was very

895
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: rewarding for me. I enjoyed that.

896
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 4: It's no different than a head coach or a GM

897
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 4: picking his head coach and his head coach picking his staff,

898
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 4: trying to get him on the get everybody on the

899
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 4: same page. I wanna I want to ask you about

900
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 4: Mount Rushmore. You get four people or four picks that

901
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 4: have helped you become the man you are today.

902
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:47,439
Speaker 3: You get four picks?

903
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: What a great question, you know, that's a great question. Honestly,

904
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: it's a I've never had that question. That's a great question.

905
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: I'd say the first two spots for my mom and dad.

906
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: I loved that.

907
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, my dad, my dad worked at armcoas Steel for

908
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: thirty four years. His grandfather worked there for forty four years.

909
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: My brother, my uncle, both my brother in laws all

910
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: worked in the mill. All my dad's all, my all

911
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: my my buddies in high school, their dad's worked in

912
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: the mill. So they already either worked in the mill,

913
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:28,479
Speaker 1: steel mill, railroad right, Pennsylvania Railroad, or the oil refinery. Right.

914
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: So you know, I just looked up to my dad

915
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: because my dad was you know, he took me into

916
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: the mill one time in a hot mill. I told

917
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: people as many many times in July, and he said, yeah,

918
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: I see this, these these you know, hot pieces of

919
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 1: metal coming down these things and it's like nine hundred

920
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: degrees in there, and all these guys are sweating and

921
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: everything like that. And my Dad's like, you never want

922
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: to come in here ever. You know, he gave me

923
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: such great advice. But he will tell you what for

924
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: he was. He was a tough, tough customer though. Man.

925
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: I mean those guys, uh, they know how to motivate

926
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: you, you know, because you think about what they had to

927
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: do for work. Every day. Get you come in with

928
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: a little ankle bruise or ankle strain or something like that.

929
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: He's like, you're not gonna miss any time when you

930
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: see guys like that. And my mom was just you know,

931
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: uh she worked at j C. Penny part time and

932
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: raising all of us. She had all four of us

933
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: in five years, and uh, my brother and I were

934
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: eleven months apart, and so we fought. Oh yeah, we

935
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: kept fall like cast and dollars. But he, uh, you know,

936
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: my mom, we used to laugh because everything we own

937
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 1: came from j C. Pennies, you know, and we.

938
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 3: Had those didn't they have way back then? What's that

939
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 3: did they have back then?

940
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 1: Away? Yeah, everything was on layaway. Yeah, everything everything on layaway,

941
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: and everything came from j C. Pennies. And you got

942
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: you got a school outfit at the beginning of the year,

943
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: you know, and uh the tennis, you know, and they

944
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 1: had those those j C. Penny fake tennies that looked

945
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: like they tried to look like, I don't know what

946
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: they tried to look like, something like a Nike or

947
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 1: something they weren't really or Converse or something, but they weren't.

948
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: And always got these kids in school, some of these

949
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: kids had them. I wanted to pair, you know, so

950
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: I told my dad and my brother and I said,

951
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 1: we we want these converse you know. So he uh

952
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: he took us down an army Navy store in Rochester, Pennsylvania.

953
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: You know, we went down there, and my brother and

954
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: I each got a pair and they were nine ninety

955
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,959
Speaker 1: nine a pair. And my dad goes, boys, he goes,

956
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: you better take care of those shoes. There's a lot

957
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: of money. Think about that, nine ninety nine a pair.

958
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: Now they got nikes, you know, for for uh, you know,

959
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: hundreds of dollars, you know, and that's to show you

960
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: how how money was tight, you know, And he did so,

961
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: I mean those two for sure. And then you know,

962
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: my wife and I have had such a great relationship.

963
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: She's been there, she's done. You know. We've been married

964
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: now for forty three years, I think, and uh we

965
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: got married right before we uh where is actually my

966
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 1: rookie year? And I mean she raised our kids because

967
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: my second career I was always on the road.

968
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay.

969
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: You know, and people think that athlete football players maybe

970
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: baseball players different. They think football players are always gone.

971
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: They're not always gone.

972
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 3: You're just amount of time doing certain month's training camp.

973
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's training camp. And if you play, if you

974
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: play Green Beer Detroit, you're home for dinner. Yeah, you know,

975
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: so it's not you're it's not so. I let I was,

976
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 1: I was traveling. I was trying to build my career,

977
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: you know, and she did it all. You know. She

978
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: was a glue to kind of hold everything together. And

979
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 1: so I think to her. And then I had a

980
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: line coach at Pitt, guy named Joe Moore. Who Joe Moore? Who?

981
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: Who was like I think the best offensive line or no, no, no,

982
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: he's he he coached, He's had he I think he's

983
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,720
Speaker 1: had forty five guys. Uh when he coached a Pitt

984
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 1: Notre Dame in Temple, Uh, playing the NFL, and so uh,

985
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: you know he coached me and Russ and Bill Freelik

986
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: and a bunch of guys. Yeah, I mean coach Notre

987
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: Dame guy, Joe Moore offensive line. It's named after him.

988
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a jo.

989
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he named after Joe Joe Moore. So uh, he

990
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 1: just he was a a special guy. And I mean

991
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: that's the reason, you know, I was a you know,

992
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: I came to the Bears, and I was the most

993
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: you know, I think prepared guy there from a technique respect,

994
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: and then I think a lot. Finally, the guy that

995
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 1: was talking about earlier, Vern Loux, who was a chairman

996
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: CEO of bax Of Healthcare. He was, you know, really

997
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: impressive guy. He's a Yale Grid Harvard MBA and he

998
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: was a captain of the Marine Corps. So what a

999
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: what a resume is I had, you know, and uh

1000
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 1: just a man's man. But he was the CEO there,

1001
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 1: and he's the guy gave me my first opportunity, so

1002
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: that would be the people I put on him.

1003
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 5: I got to ask this, and you can let me

1004
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 5: know if I'm going way too personal. But your daughter

1005
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 5: was born with spinal biffida. Is that did that actually

1006
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 5: push you into the health healthcare system at all?

1007
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 2: Or that just was just a random No.

1008
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: I don't think it had anything to do it. I think,

1009
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: you know, she just had a birthday yesterday, Happy birthday, Jessica,

1010
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: and she's doing great. But uh yeah, it's it's uh no,

1011
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: I think I think it was for us. It was

1012
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: difficult because she was born nineteen eighty seven of right

1013
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: in the middle of my career, and uh, it was heartbreaking,

1014
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: you know for us. I mean we didn't know, we

1015
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: didn't know.

1016
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 3: Much about I was like, I was like, yeah.

1017
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: We didn't even know anything about it. And then you know,

1018
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: and then we found out it was the most common

1019
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: birth defect and as you know, affected people in different

1020
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 1: ways and different levels of function, different levels of ability

1021
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: to ambulate. So it was difficult. But she's done a

1022
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: remarkable job. I mean she, you know, went to lenn

1023
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 1: University and graduated, been a health carecter at HR space.

1024
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: She's done a great job. So she's you know, she's

1025
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 1: she's a superstar. You know, you don't you don't get

1026
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: too many people like that. But she's a hard worker,

1027
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: you know. I mean she's she's had to overcome a

1028
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: lot of different things that people haven't had to do.

1029
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 2: How much better has she made you?

1030
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: Oh, she's a tough per I mean she's tough. I

1031
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: mean talking about surgery, I had, like I've had like,

1032
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: you know, fourteen surgeries and all these orthopedic things. I

1033
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: think she's had like twenty five surgeries. Wow, oh yeah,

1034
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:47,439
Speaker 1: oh yeah, shunt revisions and and spinal surgeries and and

1035
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: uh you know, uh uh they had to rotate her

1036
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: ankles back in and her, I mean just just for kid,

1037
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 1: a kid, Yeah, you know tough so uh and she

1038
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: would she take it on head head on and just

1039
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: you know, look her straight in the eye and she

1040
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: got she she got a little tough, you know. Uh,

1041
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: but she she dealt with it and was able to

1042
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: do it. She's yeah, doing great.

1043
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 2: Thank you, thanks for sharing all.

1044
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 3: We appreciate you man sharing some stories. But it was

1045
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 3: fun presence. Yeah, we appreciate what knee surgery is.

1046
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 1: That that's a big that's a that's a new that's

1047
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: a new knee.

1048
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 5: Oh it's a new knee, okay, because the cross is different.

1049
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 3: I'm not No, that was an old surder Okay.

1050
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: I had this operate on like five times before I

1051
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: got the neigh replace.

1052
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 3: And how's it feel with the new knee.

1053
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: It feels awesome. Except I got a bone chip underneath

1054
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: m plant. You can see it pop up.

1055
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 2: Yep, yep.

1056
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 1: So I got a bone chip. I gotta get party trick,

1057
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: I gotta get scoped. But other than that, it doesn't

1058
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: hurt that much anymore. But uh, yeah, this this is

1059
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: a new one, and I got this is the gnarly one.

1060
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 3: Okay, so that's an one angle one. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

1061
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 3: that's that's.

1062
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 4: That's Those are great party tricks whenever there's like that

1063
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 4: awkward silence, like, hey, look at my.

1064
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 2: Knee at home.

1065
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: That's an one that was a a cadaver ligament and

1066
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: a cadaver tan replacement. So for your ankle, yeah yeah,

1067
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: they put a cadaver ligament in the cadaver ten. And

1068
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: then so I got it done in Stemen clinic and

1069
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: veil and the doc that did it, you know how

1070
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: they do your knee where they grab your knee, they

1071
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: move it around to see how stable it is. You

1072
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: could grab the bottom of my ankle moving around like this,

1073
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: and it just had I had no ligament snow tens there.

1074
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 1: And uh, the guy did it said, you know, he's did,

1075
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: he's done. You know, skaters, you know, basketball players, people

1076
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 1: were traditionally bad ankles. He says, you have like one

1077
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: of the worst ones I've ever seen. And I just,

1078
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: you know, just delayed, delayed, delayed, And I got I

1079
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Speaker 1: got this done on a Tuesday, and that on a

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Speaker 1: Thursday in the same week.

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Speaker 3: Oh damn, if I'm down, let me just be down.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I said.

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Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna be non weight bearing and

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Speaker 1: it was gonna be fine until I was laying in

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Speaker 1: the hospital bed looking at my boot on here and

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Speaker 1: this thing all wrapped up, Like what did I just

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Speaker 1: do to my I stayed in veil for three weeks

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Speaker 1: and my wife was pushed me around in a wheelchair.

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Speaker 1: Not bad, it goes, Can you get can you get

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Speaker 1: up on these crutches? Can you get up on these crutches?

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Speaker 2: I said, no, it hurts too bad.

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Speaker 1: She finally got me a phone, man, But I was,

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Speaker 1: you know, in the middle of working. Yeah, so now

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Speaker 1: I get this boot. You know, I'm going to work,

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Speaker 1: I'm flying places. I'm like, oh god, please, but now

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Speaker 1: it Then this came back real quick. That was a

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Speaker 1: little problem, but just good now yeah we're good. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's good.

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Speaker 3: All right, man, We appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: That was fun.

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Speaker 2: Don't you run off of us, jim Bo, thank you

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Speaker 2: so much.

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 2: Let's give you some flowers. Bro.

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Speaker 5: We really want to say thank you for awaitness man.

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Speaker 5: Actually getting to sit down and talk to you.

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Speaker 2: Peanut.

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Speaker 5: Knew a lot more about you than I did. I

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Speaker 5: didn't grow up in the Bears community, but you getting

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Speaker 5: here to share your story, really sharing some great stories

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Speaker 5: and times through that eighty five, through.

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Speaker 2: Your draft class to everything you guys.

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Speaker 5: Got to build for that organization and what you meant

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Speaker 5: to it and now look at you so man, Thank.

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Speaker 1: You appreciate sharing that for this guy and anything man Man, well,

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Speaker 1: we appreciate it. Man.

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Speaker 2: Thank you peen up for getting it here.

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Speaker 5: Thank you and and all of our listeners and viewers

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Speaker 5: out there wherever you pick up. Your podcast was Apple Podcasts.

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Speaker 5: iHeartRadio app. Make sure you tune in, make sure you

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Speaker 5: give us a follow, like, share, subscribe. Also, you can

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Speaker 5: check us out on the NFL's YouTube channel.

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Speaker 2: Peanut, get us out of your head.

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Speaker 5: Proud of you man, you you you did that.

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Speaker 1: It's like the end of the NFL broadcast. He did that.

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Speaker 2: Good good, I am improving. Thank you. I like that.

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Speaker 4: He our Peanut Toeman. That's Roman, that's Shambald Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 2: An't there.

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Speaker 3: And this is the NFL players second X podcast.

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Speaker 2: We out