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Speaker 3: Here's Hardy Chad Ryland, Ladies and gentlemen, fifty six yard
Speaker 3: field goal to give the Patriots the win tonight in
Speaker 3: Denver twenty six to twenty three. The final Let's get
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Speaker 3: sell Paul Pirillo. Twenty six twenty three. The Patriots improved
Speaker 3: to four and eleven on the season in the most
Speaker 3: unlikely of circumstances, starting with the sixteen points scored by
Speaker 3: the Broncos on consecutive drives, only to have Chad Ryland,
Speaker 3: who had missed everything all season, including tonight.
Speaker 1: God, he finally made one.
Speaker 3: We've come through with a fifty six yarder to win
Speaker 3: the game.
Speaker 7: That was awesome. I mean him making the field goal
Speaker 7: and not going over time.
Speaker 4: And not going overtime on Christmas Eve. Wait to go
Speaker 4: check a quarterback tonight. But that's okay, we didn't have overtime.
Speaker 4: That's all I cared about, right, very selfish on Christmas. Sorry, Well,
Speaker 4: that's okay.
Speaker 3: I mean it's it's it's hard to know what to
Speaker 3: root for these days when you're a Patriots fan. But
Speaker 3: uh no, overtime on Christmas Eve is as good a
Speaker 3: place as any to start. I mean, it's we're watching
Speaker 3: the game here together, and it's it's weird because you're
Speaker 3: getting like certain messaging, you know, from us and Tamera,
Speaker 3: and you're getting different messaging from the announcers of the game.
Speaker 3: Oh God, thinking back on this game, like, what will
Speaker 3: be your memory of this particular performance?
Speaker 1: Was it?
Speaker 6: Was?
Speaker 3: It just the the ineptness of the first half and
Speaker 3: in start contrast to what we saw in the second half.
Speaker 1: I mean, where was it.
Speaker 4: I just think there were two teams that really struggle
Speaker 4: to move the ball offensively, and the difference in the
Speaker 4: game to me was the Patriots made more chunk plays
Speaker 4: to avoid having to make drives. So that was the
Speaker 4: one point that Kurt Warner made. I thought during the
Speaker 4: game was it's really hard when you when you challenged offensively,
Speaker 4: like the Patriots and Broncos are to go ten twelve,
Speaker 4: fourteen plays without negative plays, right, So what the Patriots
Speaker 4: were able to do on a couple of occasions, once
Speaker 4: in the first half and once on the second half,
Speaker 4: was actually twice if you count. The game winning field
Speaker 4: goal is to throw on up fifty to fifty ball
Speaker 4: and have your guy come down with it, and that
Speaker 4: leads to points. And I thought Zabi did a good
Speaker 4: job of avoiding sacks tonight and giving himself opportunities to
Speaker 4: do that. And to me, the key play, the key
Speaker 4: players of the game tonight were the Patriots receivers, specifically
Speaker 4: I thought DeVante Parker and to Mario Douglas, who I
Speaker 4: thought made players on the ball downfield.
Speaker 8: Yep, those are huge, the big plays. I mean, that
Speaker 8: was what kind of sparked the offense to get those points.
Speaker 8: I mean, it wasn't great all night. It wasn't necessarily consistent.
Speaker 8: I was looking pretty bleak there when the defense all
Speaker 8: of a sudden, you know, just allowed those two fourth
Speaker 8: quarter drives to the Broncos. It just seemed like all
Speaker 8: the momentum went back to the Broncos, and you know,
Speaker 8: the defense then stood up, they got to stop and
Speaker 8: and you know, credit like Paul said, I mean, it
Speaker 8: was looking a little weird there with those first two carries.
Speaker 7: Where it seemed like they were almost gonna concede for overtime.
Speaker 4: If Sean Payton didn't call. Now I have no problem
Speaker 4: with Sean Payton calling the timeouts, but if he didn't
Speaker 4: call timeouts, we'd be in overtime right now.
Speaker 8: And and then it just, uh, you know, it came
Speaker 8: down to that throat to Parker, the quick one to Gasiki,
Speaker 8: who took a huge hit getting a couple extra yards,
Speaker 8: and then you know, I just I mean, look, there's
Speaker 8: a lot to dissect.
Speaker 7: I just would say it's.
Speaker 8: Been a tough year for Chad Ryland. I just of
Speaker 8: all the things him coming away with this, it's it's,
Speaker 8: you know, a nice little figure for him. He needs
Speaker 8: he needed that play if he was coming out of here. Mean,
Speaker 8: people were talking about he needs to walk home. You know,
Speaker 8: it's it's a good play for the rookie.
Speaker 4: So maybe that get maybe that gets him going and
Speaker 4: he you know, sometimes the long ones there's no pressure, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, because no one's going to say like, well
Speaker 4: he choked, he missed a fifty six yard or like
Speaker 4: I mean I would but that that's just me. Like
Speaker 4: most guys, like on a kick like that, you just
Speaker 4: look at it as like, you know, no one's necessarily
Speaker 4: assuming you're going to make it. I think at altitude,
Speaker 4: you know, it's you know, how you go to fifty yards.
Speaker 1: To me, you go to sixty yards. At altitude, it's.
Speaker 3: Harder to have the yips on something where you're putting
Speaker 3: a lot of physical effort to it. That's a good
Speaker 3: point too, you know it's I mean, on the on
Speaker 3: the shorter field goals, it's like it's just about you know,
Speaker 3: you're thinking all about technique.
Speaker 1: I gotta feel good for the kid they did.
Speaker 7: Why not, Well, don't sweat the technique now, Oh I
Speaker 7: like that.
Speaker 3: A lot, good for you do. So let's get to
Speaker 3: our good bad injured list. Let's go. Now it's time
Speaker 3: for the good, pretty good, pretty pretty pretty good.
Speaker 2: The bad and the injured.
Speaker 3: Ah, you are right, guy, good, the bad men injured
Speaker 3: brought to you buy the good players and plays, bad
Speaker 3: and injured. Let's lead us off deuce.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm gonna go with Ylani Tavai with a force fumble.
Speaker 8: Somewhat chronological, but okay, I just think he's said that
Speaker 8: guy continues to play like a maniac out there, and uh,
Speaker 8: it just has really developed into you know, one of
Speaker 8: my my favorite players on the defense, the guy who
Speaker 8: brings energy, guy who you know has continued to stay
Speaker 8: positive through this season. And you know, it's just I
Speaker 8: don't know what the number off the top of my head,
Speaker 8: but like the number of turner, they haven't forced a
Speaker 8: lot of turners this year, but the number of them
Speaker 8: that have involved Jilani Tavai and Jabil Peppers, it seems
Speaker 8: like probably at least seventy five eighty percent of them
Speaker 8: have involved one of those two guys. So I think
Speaker 8: he's really emerged as a playmaker. You know, they didn't
Speaker 8: necessarily take advantage of that play, but tone setter, and
Speaker 8: you know, it just continues to kind of be around
Speaker 8: the ball.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was an odd play all around. I still
Speaker 4: think the Broncos covered. I don't think that was a
Speaker 4: That was one of the only drives that the Broncos had.
Speaker 4: I think they were going into score on that one.
Speaker 4: I had Barmore, who I continue to be impressed with.
Speaker 4: He was really the only guy on defense that I
Speaker 4: had marked tonight. I thought they got off to a
Speaker 4: strong start defensively, but I thought it gradually deteriorated, and
Speaker 4: I thought the Bronco has really sort of stopped themselves
Speaker 4: over the last three quarters until the fourth quarter. But
Speaker 4: Barbour had I would have three sacks countless other times
Speaker 4: that he was drawing attention, big holding Collie drew On
Speaker 4: on the last trial with the second to last drive,
Speaker 4: I just thought he was dominant and even you know,
Speaker 4: when when when when the game was really slipping away,
Speaker 4: It's twenty three, twenty three and Denver gets the ball back.
Speaker 4: The first play is a screen pass, and he got
Speaker 4: out and sort of disrupted that.
Speaker 1: And hell, he didn't make the tackle.
Speaker 4: I don't think on p Ryan, but he was out
Speaker 4: there and caused uh, you know, he caused Peter Ryan
Speaker 4: to sort of take a second to get around him,
Speaker 4: and that let other guys come and make the play.
Speaker 4: So I thought he was the best player on the
Speaker 4: field again tonight.
Speaker 3: I mean first half defense, I had him down and
Speaker 3: bar More to me, was you know, the the obvious
Speaker 3: choice totally. I yeah, No, I think tavai Is is
Speaker 3: a good one also. But the three sacks and you know,
Speaker 3: eight tackles, five from solo tackles for Barmore tonight he.
Speaker 1: Was all big plays that you got members you know best.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's looking like the potential we thought he had
Speaker 7: this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah. He and you know, if it weren't for somebody
Speaker 3: just luckily standing behind Russell Wilson, Barmore would have been
Speaker 3: responsible for his safety tonight too. So it was a
Speaker 3: big night for him.
Speaker 9: Yep.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with Paul mentioned a couple of receivers
Speaker 3: off the Top'll start with the Mario Douglas do it.
Speaker 3: That would be my first. Just offensively, again, not a
Speaker 3: lot going on in the first half, but anything that
Speaker 3: they seem to start or continue to. Mario Douglas was
Speaker 3: on the receiving end of a lot of those plays,
Speaker 3: only five catches, but for seventy four yards and he
Speaker 3: had the forty one yard reception. So and just you know,
Speaker 3: he's you can question as to whether or not, you know,
Speaker 3: just the wisdom as to him being out there at
Speaker 3: all after you know, going through two concussions already. But
Speaker 3: you know, all reports are that he wants to play,
Speaker 3: he wants to be back out there, and you know,
Speaker 3: this team can use all of that right now. And
Speaker 3: it's not like he's begging to be out there and
Speaker 3: he stinks. No, he's he's your most dynamic offensive weapon.
Speaker 3: So he's he's a big good list for me too.
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, I mean he's, uh, he's he's definitely closing
Speaker 8: in on the highest receiving yardage total for a Belichick
Speaker 8: rookie receiver.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 7: So it's it's.
Speaker 1: Credit to him.
Speaker 8: I mean, in some ways it's you know, I don't
Speaker 8: want to, I don't want to like play the other
Speaker 8: side of the fence with it. But it's just like,
Speaker 8: you know, how he's a sixth rounder, Like, I mean,
Speaker 8: these these guys, it shouldn't be this hard to find guys.
Speaker 8: You know, if you get him in the sixth round,
Speaker 8: there should be other you know, when you're drafting the
Speaker 8: second round, there should be you know, it should be
Speaker 8: obvious what guys can kind of play to this level.
Speaker 8: But you know, credit to to Douglas. I think he
Speaker 8: continues to be to be an important cog.
Speaker 3: All Right, I guess keep going.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll just I mean, I'll Paul mention Parker, but
Speaker 7: I'll throw him in there. I mean, this is what
Speaker 7: he does.
Speaker 8: You know, it's it's it's nothing outstanding of what we've
Speaker 8: known about him. He's a contested catch guy and he's
Speaker 8: not gonna gain a ton of separation. But he does
Speaker 8: have a unique skill set in terms of having a
Speaker 8: guy right next to him and you know, kind of
Speaker 8: fighting a little bit and you're on the edge of
Speaker 8: you know, pass interference either way, and you know, he's
Speaker 8: just able to consistently come down with those balls. And
Speaker 8: it's something that we've seen for two years now that
Speaker 8: the quarterback, whether it was Mac, whether it was Zappi,
Speaker 8: you throw it up to DeVante Parker and you know,
Speaker 8: it seems like like three quarters of the time he's
Speaker 8: usually going to come down with it. So some big
Speaker 8: plays from him, those big plays were huge. They sparked
Speaker 8: the drives that they scored. I mean, really, I don't
Speaker 8: think the offense was overly consistent. It was just kind
Speaker 8: of timely big plays and then they were able to
Speaker 8: convert those into the end zone.
Speaker 7: So those two guys, those receivers, to me, were the story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with those two. I would have them
Speaker 4: high on my list.
Speaker 3: Oh hold on a second here, Okay, because we just
Speaker 3: mentioned him. This is unbelievable as we're speaking about you,
Speaker 3: Sir Davante Parker joining us here from the locker room
Speaker 3: in Denver. Congratulations, we're going through our highlights and our
Speaker 3: good list for the night. Davante, you are absolutely on
Speaker 3: a Congratulations, great game.
Speaker 10: Thank you appreciate it.
Speaker 7: Hey, Davante, just you know, what did you see on
Speaker 7: that last big catch?
Speaker 8: What was what was your thought going into that play
Speaker 8: and how did you guys execute it?
Speaker 10: We put the ball where he needed to be and
Speaker 10: I just made a I just came back and made
Speaker 10: a heck of a cast. I knew, I knew it
Speaker 10: was a play that we needed, so got to come
Speaker 10: down with it and there and it helped us in
Speaker 10: the end.
Speaker 4: Devanta, it looked like you were matched up with Patrick
Speaker 4: Sartan a couple of times tonight. What were those those battles.
Speaker 4: What's it like going up against him?
Speaker 10: Either very patient, dB, he's really good. You know, he's
Speaker 10: still young, but you know he got a lot of
Speaker 10: room to get better.
Speaker 3: You know, we talked a lot about halftime adjustments. I
Speaker 3: don't know if they're overrated or underrated, but the offense
Speaker 3: certainly looked better starting in the third quarter. Where there's
Speaker 3: some adjustments you made at halftime.
Speaker 10: True, yeah, yeah, I was. I stayed. Also, we just
Speaker 10: didn't We just limited our mistakes like we did in
Speaker 10: the first half. So I stayed. That kind of helped
Speaker 10: us out Devanta.
Speaker 8: We had you and pop up on the top on
Speaker 8: our good list. Just you know, what can you say
Speaker 8: about rookie receiver to Mario Douglas, what he's brought to
Speaker 8: this team and the spark that he provided for you guys?
Speaker 10: Oh man man Man brought toughness, you know everything either
Speaker 10: either the hell of a player a rookie but uh,
Speaker 10: you know, you know big time today make mega players bount.
Speaker 1: To you guys. Took the ball.
Speaker 4: Uh you got the ball back at the very end
Speaker 4: before the game winning on the game winning field goal drive.
Speaker 4: The first couple of plays were runs. Were you surprised
Speaker 4: that Denver was calling timeouts there, stopping the clock. It
Speaker 4: looked like you guys were content to go to overtime,
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden they make the big
Speaker 4: play down the sideline to you. Were you surprised that
Speaker 4: the Broncos were sort of calling timeouts and giving you
Speaker 4: guys another shot?
Speaker 10: No, I really I think they were really call time out.
Speaker 10: Just shot it. Just Caise got the ball back, That's
Speaker 10: what I think. But but yeah, I was surprised when
Speaker 10: we called it run plays. I don't know what was doing.
Speaker 10: But uh, but yeah, we know everything happened in our favor, so.
Speaker 3: Including and and last but not leaves DeVante. Before we
Speaker 3: let you go, thank you on behalf of all of
Speaker 3: New England and everyone who's working and watching this game
Speaker 3: tonight for knock going to overtime. It's Christmas Eve. You
Speaker 3: want you want to get on the plane. We want
Speaker 3: to finish this postgame show just to thank everybody for
Speaker 3: us and thank you specifically for ending this thing the
Speaker 3: way it should have been ended.
Speaker 10: Oh, I don't want to t.
Speaker 3: Hey, Devonte, great game, Thank you so much for taking
Speaker 3: the time. We appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Congrats on the wind ingrats safe child back, all right,
Speaker 4: there we go. Yeah, I thought, you know, I agree
Speaker 4: with with you guys. I thought, there, you know, you
Speaker 4: see the highlights. They just the guys just ran, you
Speaker 4: know that, nothing fancy, just you know, fifty to fifty
Speaker 4: balls down the sideline, and tonight he was able to
Speaker 4: come up with a couple of them, and uh, you know,
Speaker 4: I think those were those were big plays on scoring
Speaker 4: drives and and I think that was the only way
Speaker 4: they were going to score. I would put Zapia on
Speaker 4: the good list too. I do think that you know,
Speaker 4: you can see the razor thin like this team doesn't
Speaker 4: have an offense, and I'm not like unlike rich Eisen,
Speaker 4: I don't think gop saw tonight was really good offense.
Speaker 4: And again they don't even get three hundred yards. But
Speaker 4: I think Zappi's ability to sort of avoid negative plays
Speaker 4: in the rush, like you know, to buy a little
Speaker 4: extra time and slide around is allowing them to make
Speaker 4: some of these plays down the field that they didn't
Speaker 4: have before. I gotta tell you, I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: he moves well in the pocket.
Speaker 3: The first play of the game was as bad as
Speaker 3: you will see, you know, from a blocking standpoint from
Speaker 3: a not recognizing the danger. I mean, just everything went
Speaker 3: wrong in an instant and then the rest of the game.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying he was perfect, but twenty five of
Speaker 3: thirty three for two hundred and fifty six yards, two
Speaker 3: touchdowns and no picks.
Speaker 4: And you can just see like, but it's it's so
Speaker 4: razor thin because they don't do anything easily and they
Speaker 4: don't get anything easy. No, you know, they had twelve
Speaker 4: first downs in the whole game. They were three for
Speaker 4: thirteen on third down. They don't run the ball, and
Speaker 4: I think conservatively they had a half dozen plays tonight
Speaker 4: that could have gone either way, Like they could have
Speaker 4: gotten caught by Douglas and Parker, or they could have
Speaker 4: gotten caught by a defensive back, if you know, the
Speaker 4: timing of the jump is different. So I just I
Speaker 4: look at how challenged they are offensively, and tonight was
Speaker 4: one of those nights where the fifty to fifty balls
Speaker 4: are more like seventy five eighty in you a favor.
Speaker 4: You know, some of them fell in complete, but you
Speaker 4: were able to catch three or four from Parker three
Speaker 4: of you know, I think one one fifty to fifty
Speaker 4: ball for Douglas and that's that's allowed you to get
Speaker 4: enough offense to win the game tonight. So I had
Speaker 4: I had Zappi on my good list tonight too. I
Speaker 4: like you guys, yeah yeah, And just.
Speaker 3: Real quickly on Parker before we move off of him.
Speaker 3: You know, we talked about this being a bit of
Speaker 3: a redemption for Ryland. There are a couple of guys
Speaker 3: on this team who were probably looking for redemption games
Speaker 3: or catches. I'm not sure that Parker got it completely tonight,
Speaker 3: but that helps. Yep, that absolutely helps, because you know,
Speaker 3: when you're thinking about him in this season, there's one
Speaker 3: play in particular that you think about and you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: that can happen.
Speaker 6: Ye.
Speaker 3: Juju Smith I think had his Juju Smith Schuster excuse me,
Speaker 3: had his a couple of weeks ago in the Steelers game.
Speaker 3: If I remember, it was the opening, you know, there
Speaker 3: was the big you know pass play down there. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: there's a little something back for Juju. There's a little
Speaker 3: something back for DeVante Parker to.
Speaker 7: I yeah, I agree, I agree.
Speaker 8: I mean, it's it's good for conversation, you know, and
Speaker 8: especially with you know, I agree with everything Paul just
Speaker 8: kind of laid out, and I think the conversations now
Speaker 8: are going to be having us up there two.
Speaker 7: To one under Zappi, like what would have happened?
Speaker 9: You know?
Speaker 1: And but I think the point.
Speaker 8: Is largely it's looked the same, but it's circumstantially just
Speaker 8: too Sorry.
Speaker 4: We need to count all of the games, and I'm
Speaker 4: not making one that I leave off. I don't know,
Speaker 4: he started four games and he's won two and lost
Speaker 4: to you know, I saw one of the Patriots, right,
Speaker 4: I think Ben Volean on Twitter tonight, like it's amazing
Speaker 4: how they didn't make this move sooner, Like, I don't
Speaker 4: know what you're watching. I don't know what you're seeing
Speaker 4: that you think their record would be dramatically different if
Speaker 4: Zappi played every game. I think there's a couple of
Speaker 4: plays here and there that Zappi is making that maybe
Speaker 4: Mac wouldn't.
Speaker 1: But again, they weren't getting wins. The other teams.
Speaker 4: Fumble a kickoff into the end zone, you probably don't
Speaker 4: win that game even tonight. Yeah, you know, against a
Speaker 4: very very average Denver team. You know, Like, I think
Speaker 4: he's been fine, he's the backup quarterback. I just they
Speaker 4: don't have an offense, and that's the bottom line to me,
Speaker 4: they do not have an NFL offense.
Speaker 3: Well to that end, and maybe a deuce you want
Speaker 3: to get back to some defense or for some other
Speaker 3: stuff here, But I just I wanted just to group
Speaker 3: together Jalen Rieger and Mike Kiseki and Faraoh Brown just
Speaker 3: kind of in all all three of them at the
Speaker 3: same game. Two targets, two catches. Giseki had the touchdown.
Speaker 3: They weren't asked to do a lot, but in this
Speaker 3: offense and the way they're running things, they can't do
Speaker 3: any more than whether now could they be open more?
Speaker 4: Probably I'll say Farrell Browns came on. That was one
Speaker 4: of the chunk plays that I think came on. I
Speaker 4: think they might have missed the field goal on that drive,
Speaker 4: but he had a chunk play in that.
Speaker 3: You know, it's not often where I can you know,
Speaker 3: look back at a game log and see like, oh,
Speaker 3: you had two catches I don't even remember I remember,
Speaker 3: And can you know tell you about Riggers big catch,
Speaker 3: Koseki obviously with a touchdown catch, and the big chunk
Speaker 3: play from Pharaoh Brown. They all contributed tonight in the
Speaker 3: meaningful when I just I'll group them together. One good
Speaker 3: for you know, that combined six catch performance on six targets.
Speaker 7: I like how you did it.
Speaker 8: I mean it's just you know, little complimentary plays that
Speaker 8: you need to win games, and.
Speaker 1: This really good job.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: But as as you know, Paul kind of lad out.
Speaker 8: I mean, when you're you're this, you know, every play
Speaker 8: counts so much that you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 8: those were so important.
Speaker 4: I'll just see, like you know, like in the highlights,
Speaker 4: just like how many Orange shirts are, right, Like the
Speaker 4: margin for error is just so slim because they don't
Speaker 4: do anything easy, right, right?
Speaker 3: What else you got there, dude?
Speaker 7: I'm good on on the goods.
Speaker 3: That was good. On the good That pretty much did
Speaker 3: it for me, Okay, I mean we mentioned Zapi if
Speaker 3: he goes on the good you know, Ryland's kick was fantastic,
Speaker 3: but earlier in the game it was I'm all right,
Speaker 3: we're not putting him on any good list. Great moments,
Speaker 3: great plays, a great third you know, a very good
Speaker 3: for third quarter.
Speaker 1: Born from great and great opportunity.
Speaker 3: I knew it was. That's what we had here that night.
Speaker 3: Let's get to the bats. What do you got, I mean,
Speaker 3: I had Ryland down, I gotta take him off. I
Speaker 3: know he's not another one.
Speaker 1: He's still Yeah.
Speaker 8: I think that's I know, I think that's like, you know,
Speaker 8: part of it. But I mean, just I just put
Speaker 8: special teams generally.
Speaker 7: I mean, like, look, he.
Speaker 8: Made he made the field goal at the end, but
Speaker 8: I mean the Chris Board penalty that you know, offset that.
Speaker 1: I mean that could have that could have been the game.
Speaker 4: I mean, I honestly thought the litany of special teams.
Speaker 7: And let's just highlight this one because I mean.
Speaker 1: Coverage giving up a fifty yard return like it was
Speaker 1: just another and.
Speaker 8: Like missus and everything, but like just to me, like
Speaker 8: just a stick on the board one, I just like
Speaker 8: that to me sums it up. I mean, this is like,
Speaker 8: you know, the crown jewel of your free agency special teams,
Speaker 8: and it's just a pre snap penalty, Like you know
Speaker 8: what I mean, Like these are the things that are
Speaker 8: killing them. It's not like, look, missfield goals, they're going
Speaker 8: to happen. I know that happened a little bit more
Speaker 8: than you'd like with Ryland right now, But for that
Speaker 8: to happen, it should have cost him the game. It
Speaker 8: should have cost him the game, and the defense luckily
Speaker 8: stepped up right there and stopped them from getting that
Speaker 8: last field goal. But I was heard that this is it,
Speaker 8: this is why you're gonna lose special teams mistake.
Speaker 4: Even like they had that penalty that cost them twenty
Speaker 4: yards at the end, short kickoff that they allowed to
Speaker 4: return out over the thirty yard line. You know, the
Speaker 4: punt coverage on the first one with Mims. Now they
Speaker 4: did make a play, you know, BIMs muffed the kickoff
Speaker 4: and Cody Davis ended up recovering it in the end
Speaker 4: zone for a touchdown, and without that you probably lose.
Speaker 4: So that but there's just too many errors in special
Speaker 4: teams every single game.
Speaker 3: Of all the things that can bother you about this
Speaker 3: football team, the fact that special teams have been such
Speaker 3: an issue, and you know you point to talent, Well,
Speaker 3: Bill can only do so much with the talent, and
Speaker 3: I know that's his problem, But they're just not good enough.
Speaker 3: You don't need really good special teams players. If they
Speaker 3: were really good football players, they wouldn't be on special teams.
Speaker 3: So what you need is really good coaching for your
Speaker 3: special teams. And the and the issues with the special
Speaker 3: teams a lot of it points back to coaching, whether
Speaker 3: it's whether it's you know, the formation penalty or just
Speaker 3: guys out there free lancing and you know, just I
Speaker 3: didn't even want to call them out because it's not
Speaker 3: even worth it. But I mean, schooler Is is difficult
Speaker 3: to watch sometimes, and I'm sorry, this is a lot
Speaker 3: of this is coaching. How are they being coached up?
Speaker 3: And it's I.
Speaker 1: Don't think they're being coached to line up wrong when
Speaker 1: they're punting.
Speaker 7: Right, So it's just not buying in.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know what it is.
Speaker 4: But they're being coached to miss extra points and that's true.
Speaker 4: You know that's true. Missed the net on a field.
Speaker 3: Goal, so they're so they're bad too. The special teams
Speaker 3: player no special teams is wretchedly but the are the
Speaker 3: players better?
Speaker 1: I think they are okay well playing bad.
Speaker 3: It's hard to make a case saying.
Speaker 4: They supposed to be the heir of parents. And Matthew
Speaker 4: Slater and I see him like egregiously misattackle every week
Speaker 4: and I usually see him bitching to a referee every week.
Speaker 4: I didn't see that tonight.
Speaker 3: I just think that. But I think that Slater is
Speaker 3: the exception to the rule of special teams players where
Speaker 3: Slater is even though he can't catch balls. Apparently, otherwise
Speaker 3: they would have had a receiver more than you know,
Speaker 3: three times over the last fifteen years. I think if
Speaker 3: these guys were more skilled, they would be in other positions.
Speaker 3: But you're saying, like it's it's even bad by that standard.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think they've always done it this way,
Speaker 4: and they've always had like Larry Izzo's and Larry Wigghams
Speaker 4: and Gerard Cherry's and you know, all kinds of branding
Speaker 4: kings guys that were never playing any position but did
Speaker 4: their job on special teams really effectively.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they don't have those this year. All right,
Speaker 1: what are the bad.
Speaker 3: Do we want to highlight here before we get to
Speaker 3: our injured list and the phone calls.
Speaker 1: I didn't have a lot to you a lot.
Speaker 7: I didn't really have a lot either.
Speaker 8: I mean, it's it was kind of spotty, Like I
Speaker 8: thought Miles Brian had a nice pass coverage on that
Speaker 8: one play with Courtland some but I also he had
Speaker 8: a fumble, he had, you know, another.
Speaker 7: Like so it's kind of like up and down.
Speaker 1: So man, like I feel bad.
Speaker 4: I thought anything secondary wise. I thought there were guys
Speaker 4: loose all night and I'm sorry, you have a sixteen
Speaker 4: point lead with eight minutes left and the other team
Speaker 4: had the ball in a tie game with a chance
Speaker 4: to win it. Like, that's as bad a defense as
Speaker 4: you can get. So even the things that you want
Speaker 4: to say about the defense are hard to put up,
Speaker 4: you know, Like I just thought that the coverage.
Speaker 3: Was what were more impressive the Patriots twenty point third
Speaker 3: quarter or the sixteen that Denver hung on the fourth.
Speaker 3: To me, denver executed bills were hard fought. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: sixteen points. To me, that was that's a good point.
Speaker 3: I just was stunned because and I don't know. I
Speaker 3: thought Russell Wilson was as bad as you can be
Speaker 3: in this game. And I thought that he created all
Speaker 3: the sacks. I thought, for the most part, they didn't
Speaker 3: have a lot of immediate pressure on him. He would
Speaker 3: just watch and see who broke free, and he'd run
Speaker 3: into him. And then all of a sudden, he puts
Speaker 3: together two drives where he's standing in and ripping the
Speaker 3: ball downfield like I don't know where that came from,
Speaker 3: and converts on two. I'm back to back two point conversions.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's uncanny to watch that from
Speaker 3: from that football team that we saw the rest of
Speaker 3: the night. Just couldn't get out of their own way.
Speaker 8: That's why I was gonna say, like fourth quarter defense,
Speaker 8: but you know, they got the other stop at the end,
Speaker 8: so you know it's like kind of the.
Speaker 7: Good with the bad in one of these games like that.
Speaker 8: But I just it was disappointing, though, to see them
Speaker 8: give up to eighty yard drives where you know they're
Speaker 8: playing pretty well. They had them like shut down really.
Speaker 8: I mean when they fought fourth straight punts, there was
Speaker 8: a punt, punk, punt, fumble, punt.
Speaker 3: I mean the last Broncos touchdown came after they you know,
Speaker 3: they got him into his second and twenty after the
Speaker 3: holding call. It's like second twenty, all right, you got this,
Speaker 3: You're gonna you know, you're going to force them to
Speaker 3: make some you know, massively lucky play, and they didn't.
Speaker 3: They just they they worked their way back down there
Speaker 3: and scored.
Speaker 8: I also think that the the offensive line might be
Speaker 8: closer to the down list if Zappy wasn't as mobile
Speaker 8: as he was, because.
Speaker 9: I had.
Speaker 1: On the down list first one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, injuries, duce.
Speaker 8: I mean I saw Bentley and John Jones were both evaluated,
Speaker 8: but I think they both came.
Speaker 1: They both came back.
Speaker 4: Evidently we were very loose with our evaluations on the sideline.
Speaker 3: Cortland, Sutton dead, everybody. Everybody was trying to keep this
Speaker 3: game moving tonight for the most part, except you know,
Speaker 3: the teams, and even they did their part by not
Speaker 3: going to overtime.
Speaker 1: So Fred Mills, uh, that was the one that dugger
Speaker 1: comes in and hit.
Speaker 8: I think Mills when those left the game a couple
Speaker 8: of times late, but I don't know if he was
Speaker 8: in at the very end.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's yeah, that's right, Mills.
Speaker 4: It's one of those games that if it had happened, Yeah,
Speaker 4: this isn't the original problem. It comes when Duggar comes
Speaker 4: from the side. I think he gets a little Friendrien.
Speaker 4: All right, let's get the phones.
Speaker 3: Eight five to five, pass five hundred emails, web radio,
Speaker 3: Patriots dot com.
Speaker 1: We begin it a hurry, getting ready to go.
Speaker 3: The door shortened post game tonight, Kevin and San Francisco.
Speaker 3: What do you.
Speaker 11: Got, hey, Harty, Congratulations on the new gig man.
Speaker 3: Thanks v.
Speaker 11: Thank you, so my son said to me tonight. He goes,
Speaker 11: it's a Christmas miracle, and I said, I'm bringing your
Speaker 11: presence back to the store.
Speaker 10: I did not want to see these guys win.
Speaker 11: It was a garbage win, and I'm not happy about it,
Speaker 11: not happy about it at all.
Speaker 6: And I understand the players are happy about it.
Speaker 10: They're trying, they're working hard.
Speaker 12: It's their job.
Speaker 10: So I feel good for him.
Speaker 11: But this is just putting us out of those top picks.
Speaker 10: And it means absolutely nothing that we want tonight. Absolutely nothing.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Kevin, I I know this is I mean,
Speaker 4: in the big you know, when the Euphouria dies down,
Speaker 4: and I'm being serious, you know, because it kind of cool.
Speaker 1: Fifty six yard field, go at the buzzer? Cool, right,
Speaker 1: do you?
Speaker 4: Fouria dies down? And I think you dropped a number
Speaker 4: four now and basically a three player draft. Yeah, you
Speaker 4: know what's coming my offensive tackle?
Speaker 1: There you go? You you would you could do that?
Speaker 1: You and Evan on your time.
Speaker 3: Spring. I made I made my peace with this, I
Speaker 3: really did. And outside of Caleb Williams, I well, Caleb
Speaker 3: Williams was in play until tonight, okay, but I'm not
Speaker 3: now he's not. Now you just can't leave unless you
Speaker 3: make it less.
Speaker 1: You make a trader what you went.
Speaker 3: And is there any chance that happens. I mean there's
Speaker 3: a chance, but I don't think it's likely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially if Bill's not here.
Speaker 3: Okay, oh right a second, Paul, are you hearing something.
Speaker 1: Inside the building?
Speaker 3: Robert in Connecticut on this episode of the Patriots Post
Speaker 3: Game Show presented by DraftKings, what's up, Robert?
Speaker 13: Hey, guys, a long time listener, first time callers.
Speaker 14: About Bellows now that he kind of like held mister
Speaker 14: unlimited to being pretty limited.
Speaker 4: Tonight one of the best games he's had all year. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean one hundred and three passer ratings.
Speaker 6: There.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I thought the Patriots defense got off to a strong
Speaker 4: start and then just wilted. To be honest with you,
Speaker 4: that's a bad offense that they played tonight, and they
Speaker 4: made him look like they were pretty competent in the
Speaker 4: fourth quarter.
Speaker 3: I see very little of the.
Speaker 4: Old Russell Wilson, and I see very little of the
Speaker 4: old Bill Belichick, to be honest with you, I see
Speaker 4: very little examples of you know, those in game things
Speaker 4: that you're like, wow, did you see that? Like I
Speaker 4: I thought it was embarrassing that they were trying to
Speaker 4: run the clock out at the end of regulation. Now
Speaker 4: I'm going to guarantee you, Mike, I'm going to save
Speaker 4: you some trouble. I'm going to guarantee you guarantee that
Speaker 4: somebody will try to make the point that he baited
Speaker 4: Sean Payton into calling those timeouts. I'm just gonna guarantee it.
Speaker 4: And what he was trying to do from inside his
Speaker 4: own twenty was to run the clock out and get
Speaker 4: into overtime. And I think they should have been throw
Speaker 4: throwing the ball that whole drive in an effort to
Speaker 4: get down the field. So maybe you don't have to
Speaker 4: kick a fifty six yard field goal to win the game.
Speaker 4: Maybe you can kick like a forty five yard or instead.
Speaker 8: Right, Yeah, I mean that's kind of what their mo
Speaker 8: has been this year.
Speaker 7: It's it's not aggressive at the end of game.
Speaker 4: And I also think they should have called time out
Speaker 4: after the original catchdown field by Parker, which custom because
Speaker 4: big plays like that take a long time for everybody
Speaker 4: to get downfield.
Speaker 3: Uh freight train in Columbus, Hello freight train.
Speaker 15: Hey fellows, first time caller, actually so first off, though,
Speaker 15: gotta give credit to Rylance, and I mean definitely a
Speaker 15: great redemption story for him. Dale and that kick. Uh
Speaker 15: yep after those two miss has got a got some
Speaker 15: big cajones there with that. But look, obviously, you know now,
Speaker 15: since the pass are now down to four with the
Speaker 15: draft pick currently, let's just say they're gonna hold there.
Speaker 15: They'll be fourth or fifth. What would y'all rather do?
Speaker 15: Would you all rather have them trade like a third
Speaker 15: or or a second round pick for Justin Fields, or
Speaker 15: maybe take Jaydon Daniels. Thanks guys, Merry Christmas and looking
Speaker 15: forward to us seeing how the rest of the season
Speaker 15: plays out.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Thanks you too.
Speaker 7: Intrigued by I'm intrigued by new people.
Speaker 8: I mean, you know nothing against Justin Fields, you know,
Speaker 8: I mean, I mean, he's winning some games right now.
Speaker 8: But I guess I'm still just more intrigued by somebody new.
Speaker 4: And I don't think Chicago's going to trade him. To
Speaker 4: be honest with you, I tell you, if they end
Speaker 4: up four or five, you can use this against me
Speaker 4: in a quart a lot later. I would trade down, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I would trade down. I would I would stockpile picks
Speaker 4: and you can get your tackle by trading down anyway.
Speaker 8: I mean it's look I think, I mean, I think
Speaker 8: all those things are actually really reasonable to debate. You know,
Speaker 8: it's if you can't get the quarterback you love, they've
Speaker 8: got a lot of holes.
Speaker 4: I don't think Jayden Daniels is a top ten pick now.
Speaker 4: If he goes in the top ten, he goes in
Speaker 4: the top ten. I think there are too many questions
Speaker 4: about his ability to throw. Again, we're just starting to
Speaker 4: get into some of that stuff, so I reserve the
Speaker 4: right to change my mind. I do like his skill set,
Speaker 4: and I like that dual threat sort of skill set.
Speaker 4: As the next guy, Well, he's thin. I know he's
Speaker 4: he's six ' four.
Speaker 3: I know he's six four. He's not sure, but he's
Speaker 3: still he's already put on twenty pounds. Yeah, and he's
Speaker 3: just like how much more can he put on?
Speaker 4: So and this is you know, see hardy and I
Speaker 4: think we think very similar a lot, and these kinds
Speaker 4: of things. I think his best ability is his ability
Speaker 4: to run. This is a little about what I'm worried
Speaker 4: about with Bryce Young, who had a great game today
Speaker 4: but obviously a disappointing rookie season. When you are best
Speaker 4: asset is your legs and you're not really built for that.
Speaker 4: Like Lamar Jackson's a big guy, he can run, you know.
Speaker 4: Josh Allen obviously is a moose. Some of these other
Speaker 4: guys that are a little bit slighter frame, I worry
Speaker 4: about them, and you see like they don't want to
Speaker 4: a running at all. Tua was a very athletic quarterback
Speaker 4: in college, but he's small. Yeah, and I don't think
Speaker 4: they want to running around too much. Yeah, so that
Speaker 4: would be my worry. I agree with Hardy, he's a
Speaker 4: little bit slighter frame. I suppose I could be talked
Speaker 4: into it if it was a little further down the line,
Speaker 4: but I think you either have to take one of
Speaker 4: the tackles at four or five or trade down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's really I don't I don't want to.
Speaker 3: I don't want to reach for him. I don't want
Speaker 3: to do anything like that. But if you're in a
Speaker 3: position where it's he's about to go anyway, I'd have
Speaker 3: to see a lot more from Zappy to think like, oh,
Speaker 3: you can actually, you know, you know, go another year
Speaker 3: even with him, like as as a suitable backup, you're
Speaker 3: gonna have to trade for somebody, you know, you're gonna
Speaker 3: have to get a veteran, You're gonna have to do
Speaker 3: something that's I and I don't love a lot of
Speaker 3: those options too. I you know, I don't. I don't
Speaker 3: get all bunged up watching Joe Flacco today thinking like, oh, oh,
Speaker 3: you gotta do.
Speaker 4: Is get so funny, Like that's so true, Like we've
Speaker 4: had we've gotten calls on it. Jake Browning. Oh, by
Speaker 4: the way, to watch any of that game? Did you
Speaker 4: see the punts again? So like it's just get Jake Browning,
Speaker 4: trade for Jake Browning. He's there, Joe Flacco just plugging
Speaker 4: Joe flaccol Like, I don't know what people think would happen.
Speaker 3: I really don't SPI and Fresno, what's up? Speed joining us?
Speaker 3: How was the how was the Carter mom?
Speaker 13: Can guys, it's coming together, It's coming process point Okay,
Speaker 13: I have nothing really to add.
Speaker 14: I thought the first caller was right on. Tonight was
Speaker 14: the first one where I actually actively wanted them to lose,
Speaker 14: and that was disappointed. Like two weeks ago, when they
Speaker 14: beat the Steelers, I called in and I was I
Speaker 14: was wondering if they might put themselves out of the
Speaker 14: top ten, and wait where are we at? It was
Speaker 14: six and a half on number of calls in the
Speaker 14: post game. Where are we at right now?
Speaker 1: You weren't to worried about it.
Speaker 3: You're number five?
Speaker 5: There we go, pound me over?
Speaker 3: Yeah later, all right? Thanks. I love to speak, Thank
Speaker 3: you very much.
Speaker 1: Appreciate that.
Speaker 3: I'm keeping track ready or I can go back all
Speaker 3: the time. I have all their names in case there's
Speaker 3: any question about.
Speaker 7: It, keeping receipts.
Speaker 3: Jake and need him. What's up? Jake? You're number six?
Speaker 15: Jake Heym just left the game pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: Games and I yeah, there you were out there freezing.
Speaker 12: Yeah yeah, wow.
Speaker 3: So you're not in Needham roller Coaster.
Speaker 6: I wanted to talk to you guys about the game.
Speaker 16: And then also I hear you guys talking a lot
Speaker 16: about jad and Daniels right now.
Speaker 15: I feel like Jadens Daniels is very similar to just Fields.
Speaker 5: What do you think on his style?
Speaker 4: He's just a lot smaller. That's that's what what Hardy's
Speaker 4: talking about. And what I mean like stature, not high,
Speaker 4: his frame, his.
Speaker 6: Frame, gotcha, gotcha? Yeah yeah. Jalen Hurts is a lot
Speaker 6: bigger too.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, Jalen Hurts is another moose.
Speaker 3: Look if you can, if you could get me one
Speaker 3: of those guys, if you could get that's what our.
Speaker 4: Jackson I want. I want a dual threat guy. But
Speaker 4: I just want they have to be good. I don't
Speaker 4: have to be good enough passers.
Speaker 3: And they and I don't want them to be broken
Speaker 3: three games into their career because they're not big enough
Speaker 3: to handle the fields and.
Speaker 4: Fields is dealt with his his share of injuries already too, right,
Speaker 4: although he is starting to play a little bit better,
Speaker 4: a little bit more consistently. Yeah, I'm just on Tankathon
Speaker 4: right now. Yes, it has Washington and New England tied.
Speaker 4: Washington is in the three spot with the five twenty
Speaker 4: strength of schedule to the Patriots five twenty two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's.
Speaker 4: A very small I don't know if that changes based
Speaker 4: on the last two games. You know, that's a pretty
Speaker 4: small margin, but nipping right at the heels Tennessee and
Speaker 4: the Chargers with five twenty four strength of schedules and
Speaker 4: the Giants at five and nine with a five to
Speaker 4: ten strength of schedule, so you can with one more win,
Speaker 4: and I'm sorry, I've been counting the Jets as a
Speaker 4: win in that last game.
Speaker 7: They're gonna play all out in that one.
Speaker 4: You can go down in the you know, down in
Speaker 4: the five to ten range, and that I don't think
Speaker 4: would be good.
Speaker 3: Just so you guys know, I am counting DeVante Parker's
Speaker 3: first caller.
Speaker 1: No, that's just not count it's funny show.
Speaker 4: And that's funny because I said before, I said in
Speaker 4: the pre game that if they win and then the
Speaker 4: player doesn't count, I specifically said that number one, number two.
Speaker 1: You say that I did aspect.
Speaker 7: Look at that.
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 4: You're you're rarely paying attention to me, which I don't
Speaker 4: blame you for because I rarely have anything to say.
Speaker 3: I'm paying attention right now, you said I don't pay
Speaker 3: attention to you. Kevin and San Francisco Robert in Connecticut,
Speaker 3: we had well, I've got the hold ahead, No Denver.
Speaker 3: We had a freight train from Colorado, spiing Fresno and
Speaker 3: Jake and need him.
Speaker 1: So how many is that? Well, that would be five.
Speaker 4: That's funny because I was keeping track and when he
Speaker 4: said that he had them all written down, I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: I must have missed one, So I just made it
Speaker 4: so I got right now.
Speaker 3: So that's okay. I think that the show's over. It's
Speaker 3: not over. We got we got a lot of most
Speaker 3: not over do I say this?
Speaker 7: So going next, let's just do the full tail.
Speaker 1: They want to do.
Speaker 3: We got what?
Speaker 7: Oh nothing?
Speaker 3: See there, we got one coming right now.
Speaker 4: See this is ridiculous. You're like openly campaigning for call.
Speaker 4: We've got like three guys.
Speaker 3: First, try to read a cock of duty email.
Speaker 4: We've had like three three first time college and I'm like,
Speaker 4: tonight it's Christmas Eve.
Speaker 1: It's like one am. I walked out of Denver and
Speaker 1: was like.
Speaker 4: As well, take Joe and san Antonio to get six.
Speaker 4: It is no longer Christmas Eve. It is twelve o
Speaker 4: three am, and Merry Christmas, every Happy Birthday.
Speaker 1: Tamara Brown, Oh right, but that's fine.
Speaker 3: Ben from Long Island said that field goal is going
Speaker 3: to haunt us for years to come. So much for
Speaker 3: a quarterback that is going to be.
Speaker 7: Wait, bears taking a selfie right now.
Speaker 8: Of course, I just was going to say, like all
Speaker 8: the stuff about like this was the year we had
Speaker 8: to get a court, like this is a long rebuild,
Speaker 8: Like even if they got the second overall pick, like
Speaker 8: they needed more you know, like, I just want to
Speaker 8: pump the brakes of Like if you miss out on
Speaker 8: a on a top two quarterback.
Speaker 1: This year didn't have to be that long.
Speaker 7: Maybe it did, unless you think it was Drake May Like,
Speaker 7: unless you think Drake May was.
Speaker 3: I think those two guys, I think what it was.
Speaker 3: Peter in d C. This rat team can't do anything right.
Speaker 3: So we win a meaningless game that will prevent us
Speaker 3: from drafting a franchise quarterback or even a game change
Speaker 3: in wide receiver. This is gonna set us back five
Speaker 3: years or more. Well, maybe we have a chance to
Speaker 3: be relevant in the thirties. At least I can save
Speaker 3: money by not ordering Sunday ticket next year. God, this sucks, man.
Speaker 7: You don't have to be that's like, it's Christmas.
Speaker 1: You don't have to be that down about it.
Speaker 3: Uh, Joe in San Antonio?
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 3: Joe Hey?
Speaker 6: First of all, Merry Christmas, Hardy, you will be missed,
Speaker 6: and uh for uh for counting reasons, screw it. Count
Speaker 6: Devanta Parker, I'm number seven.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 1: We got we got six jolly rules.
Speaker 6: I just wanted to say that, by by no means,
Speaker 6: I don't think Billy Zappi is like a solution or
Speaker 6: anything like that, or even a competent backup at this point.
Speaker 6: But there are some things that he can definitely do
Speaker 6: better than Mac, Like he's maybe like his pocket presence,
Speaker 6: and I agree that he can make that that Mac
Speaker 6: just is missing. And man, I just can't help but
Speaker 6: to feel bad for Mac for some reason. Uh, it's
Speaker 6: kind of sad, but it it is what it is.
Speaker 6: We still suck. We are losing opportunities to get a
Speaker 6: higher pick, but it is what it is. Yes, just
Speaker 6: somewhat enjoy it somehow, and that's it.
Speaker 1: That Christmas to you.
Speaker 3: Joy the river walk down there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, great, I think Zappi's pocket presence gives
Speaker 4: him a leg up on Mac.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the rest of it. I agree with Joe, Like,
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think this now.
Speaker 8: He just feel feels small to me, Like it just
Speaker 8: seems like he's trying to throw over the mountains every time.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know, are you serious? Are we
Speaker 1: taking a break?
Speaker 3: Is that what we have to take a break? Okay, Well,
Speaker 3: use this time to load up the phones eight five
Speaker 3: to five pats five hundred web radio at Patriots dot Com.
Speaker 3: Will said, the Grinch tried stealing our Christmas gift, but
Speaker 3: we were able to get it back. Props to Zappi
Speaker 3: and props to Ryland redeeming himself. In the end, we
Speaker 3: knocked off Russell Wilson for the first time since Super
Speaker 3: Bowl forty nine. That's something to remember, right.
Speaker 1: What is that?
Speaker 3: Knocked off Russell Wilson for the first time since Super
Speaker 3: Bowl forty nine? Is that Ryan?
Speaker 1: Who knows? Have they played?
Speaker 3: You're You're the one who has the memory for all
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Speaker 1: Takeaways.
Speaker 3: I pulled them up and then kept talking. Sorry, sound like.
Speaker 2: Hardy live from our studios inside Jillette Stadium.
Speaker 3: Here's Hardy Well jokes on you guys, because I believe
Speaker 3: we have the call that's gonna send us over the
Speaker 3: top right now. This will peak great if this is
Speaker 3: a dial we're going to Uh Robin Foxborough, Rob go ahead.
Speaker 11: Uh yeah, yeah. I think you guys are great, and
Speaker 11: I just wanted to say a hearty, you're gonna be
Speaker 11: a mess. You've been the best, uh the host ever
Speaker 11: and uh, I guess you're okay. I'll hang up and
Speaker 11: listen to agree with me.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, Wow, Rob, I appreciate that America, the
Speaker 1: fact that he was standing right there talking.
Speaker 3: I made the phone call from the other studio from
Speaker 3: inside the house. The pan answered the phone. I was
Speaker 3: standing four feet away from him. He's like, okay, post
Speaker 3: what Yeah, this is Robin Foxborough. It first took me
Speaker 3: a minute to figure it out, and.
Speaker 1: The Heart called and and got me once, so I'm
Speaker 1: not making fun of anybody.
Speaker 3: And then I just turned around.
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, this guy wants to talk to
Speaker 1: you specifically.
Speaker 7: Then I had to figure out who Rob was, and
Speaker 7: I'm like, oh wait, that is your name, isn't it?
Speaker 3: Hold on now, Oh boy, that one doesn't count, but
Speaker 3: this one will.
Speaker 1: If he's there, Jeff in New York?
Speaker 6: Are you there?
Speaker 15: I am.
Speaker 9: There?
Speaker 6: We go?
Speaker 3: Did you want anything?
Speaker 12: Can I please be your last phone call? Because I
Speaker 12: feel bad for you?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 1: No, that's you know what it could be?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because we got to hear from Bailey Zappy too,
Speaker 3: So go ahead.
Speaker 12: Can we talk about the two the two best sounds
Speaker 12: that could occur this evening. Sure they should both go
Speaker 12: on the good list.
Speaker 5: One of them is.
Speaker 12: When somebody's got there, and the second one was the
Speaker 12: most amazing gooint hitting the I don't even know.
Speaker 1: What it was the camera, the upright, it hit the upright.
Speaker 5: Oh that was that was That was fantastic.
Speaker 12: So anyways, not to feel bad for you, guys, I'm
Speaker 12: just trying to help be your like allocated caller. So
Speaker 12: like I'll shut up and listen and that guy Rob
Speaker 12: good call.
Speaker 3: All right, thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, thank you,
Speaker 3: thank you so much.
Speaker 1: That's great.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 4: You got that, man, that was big. You went four
Speaker 4: and two. And thank you arn too for the week.
Speaker 4: I went too, and four Mike one and five. Oh
Speaker 4: so you know, Hardy, catch us up a little bit.
Speaker 1: Let's do this.
Speaker 3: Let's grab Eldred in North Carolina and then we'll hear
Speaker 3: from Bailey zappy.
Speaker 7: Okay, I'll just give me in dark place.
Speaker 3: Let's do that. Eldred. Do you get thanks Harry, Christmas,
Speaker 3: Thanks Biggie and Hardy.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna miss you man, I mean you got to leave.
Speaker 1: Well, well, yeah, we're working on it.
Speaker 3: We're I'm gonna be here for two more games. We
Speaker 3: know that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know that for a fact, but uh, I
Speaker 5: don't know how to feel about this game. So I
Speaker 5: was May was losing, then we're still winning. Then the hell?
Speaker 5: Now that quarterback? But Mike, so like the way you
Speaker 5: build a team, bro, give me that quarterback. Give me
Speaker 5: that where I receive a first You know, Jay and Daniel,
Speaker 5: I agree with Paul's slender, but he's pretty good. But
Speaker 5: I keep killing y'all. It could be my compenit. You
Speaker 5: probably get him in h by the end of the
Speaker 5: first or the second round. And if we get we
Speaker 5: dropped four enough, we don't get Martin Harrison, no way.
Speaker 5: So Harrison going to Chicago, They're not gonna get a
Speaker 5: quarterback guaranteed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's see.
Speaker 4: That'll be interesting too, because if Chicago decides they just
Speaker 4: want to sit tight and take Marvin Harrison rather than
Speaker 4: trade the pick and enroll the dice that they'll be
Speaker 4: able to get Harrison. That that could be interesting too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Eldrick, thanks, but go ahead, thank you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay, I got one question, But okay, I know
Speaker 5: Kleb william is actiletted, but he sticks to one. He
Speaker 5: about it. He gonna have a problem.
Speaker 1: Like he's short, but he's short.
Speaker 5: Pennict can throw the rain, and he can run any
Speaker 5: mobile and he can throw short long and whatever. I
Speaker 5: hate that knock that people got on him. But when
Speaker 5: they play in January, you change your mind. I guarantee
Speaker 5: you see it on TV.
Speaker 4: Right Washing has a lot of bad weather games. I
Speaker 4: don't know how mobile he is. I think he's not
Speaker 4: a statue. He's not mac, but I don't think.
Speaker 1: He's I'm with him.
Speaker 7: I'm with him on the quarterback. I'm not with him
Speaker 7: on the wide receiver.
Speaker 1: Well what part about the wide receiver?
Speaker 9: You know?
Speaker 8: With him on I'm just not on the on the
Speaker 8: Marvin Harrison, you know, drafted guy fourth overall. When you
Speaker 8: need a left tackle, a quarterback or you know, like
Speaker 8: it's a quarterback.
Speaker 4: If you had a quarterback, I would I would absolutely
Speaker 4: be in. But I just don't know who throw I
Speaker 4: just think it.
Speaker 3: Garrett Wilson, Yeah, let's hear from Bailey Zappy, shall we sure?
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Speaker 9: I'm on Cloud nine. If that's even a thing, I'm
Speaker 9: enjoy you know, these next few days, Christmas everything, and
Speaker 9: then get right back at it.
Speaker 18: The first play in the ocean to the last play
Speaker 18: basically and the kick the chat came up for you guys.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean it was kind of a opposite day
Speaker 9: for us. We've been starting fast the last few weeks.
Speaker 9: We started very slow. You know, first play of the
Speaker 9: game I fumble and then from there it kind of
Speaker 9: just you can just see like the momentum for us
Speaker 9: kind of just like all right, we can we can
Speaker 9: move the ball and these guys and you know, that
Speaker 9: was kind of the whole you know, mentality for us.
Speaker 9: And then you know, going into that last drive I
Speaker 9: think it was one minute and fifteen whatever it was,
Speaker 9: you know, just get close enough to where you know,
Speaker 9: we have a shot and we get sent chat out
Speaker 9: there and just you know kind of just however close
Speaker 9: we need to get to stry to get him there,
Speaker 9: and you know he made a hell of a kick.
Speaker 9: I mean, that's that was unbelievable.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 9: Guess you guys feel like you could push the ball today,
Speaker 9: like you'll throw the rigger, you know, do you know
Speaker 9: go to yeah that one in there Pharol.
Speaker 1: Brown up to see what Billy do with a skame?
Speaker 13: Did you go on?
Speaker 1: You know with that sort of war is on?
Speaker 9: I mean just you know, like he usually does. You know,
Speaker 9: he starts, lets me get in the rhythm and then
Speaker 9: we kind of go from there. Of course, the last
Speaker 9: few last few games, I mean, you know, situation would
Speaker 9: mean that's you know it kind of you know predicts
Speaker 9: or hinders as much as you can do pushing down
Speaker 9: the field. But like today, we had great matchups on
Speaker 9: the outside with our guys and you know it kind
Speaker 9: of shows today. You know you put it up there,
Speaker 9: let them, you know, give them a chance. You know,
Speaker 9: I I like my guy better than anybody else.
Speaker 16: The uh, like Kurt on the house that you were
Speaker 16: tested and asking if he ever had moments where you
Speaker 16: wonder who that What do you remember.
Speaker 15: About that conversation?
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean that was right after I got cut,
Speaker 9: so it was kind of at that point in time
Speaker 9: that was you know the word you know, thing that
Speaker 9: you know, I've ever it happened to me in my
Speaker 9: football career. So and I know, you know, me and
Speaker 9: him have you know, built a relationship, you know, with
Speaker 9: the combine and everything to where I you know, I
Speaker 9: texted him cause I know he's been through a lot,
Speaker 9: you know it. He wasn't a he very easy you
Speaker 9: know career for him coming into a league, he had
Speaker 9: to do a lot of things and he had to
Speaker 9: overcome a lot of you know, adversity. So you know,
Speaker 9: I just reached out to him, just kind of picked
Speaker 9: his brain about it, and you know it was you know,
Speaker 9: I'm glad I have somebody like that, you know, outside
Speaker 9: of course, you know my coaches that I go to
Speaker 9: that I can you know, pick their brain.
Speaker 10: Given how things have played out, now, how do you
Speaker 10: reflect on those feelings?
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean it's part of it, you know, you learn,
Speaker 9: you know, I understand you know, back then the decision
Speaker 9: that was made on respect it and everything. But you know,
Speaker 9: if I had a time machine, of course I would
Speaker 9: go back and change everything, but you know you don't.
Speaker 9: So now we're here, I'm gonna be where my feet
Speaker 9: are and you know, enjoy this win and enjoy you know,
Speaker 9: a game win. A kick chat made.
Speaker 3: Te caught on you was like, kind of did there
Speaker 3: uh uh once during that first half?
Speaker 1: But to go from that and then what it mean
Speaker 1: for you to make the you know that's the do.
Speaker 3: You sick but also the one department that you really needed.
Speaker 10: It in those situations?
Speaker 9: What does that mean to do?
Speaker 5: Confidence?
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean that's just you know, to see guys
Speaker 9: like that go up and make you make that play
Speaker 9: like Davante did. That just builds more confidence not only
Speaker 9: for me but also in my connection with him. And
Speaker 9: you know, I fully believe no matter what whoever's out
Speaker 9: there covering any of my guys that are out there,
Speaker 9: press coverage, anything, if I put the ball up there,
Speaker 9: I know it's either gonna be incomplete or we're gonna
Speaker 9: come down with it. Yeah. So you know OB's he's
Speaker 9: a great coach and he coaches hard and I love it.
Speaker 3: So it's fun, Baily when you see how well do
Speaker 3: you guys claim right now how the t the team
Speaker 3: is starting to come together and you're a little bit
Speaker 3: for the end of the season.
Speaker 1: Obviously playoffs aren't gonna happen.
Speaker 3: Like do you ever sit in wonder like what.
Speaker 4: If what if I got into the line up a
Speaker 4: little bit earlier, whatever, a little bit.
Speaker 13: Different the season build?
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna get into the whole
Speaker 9: hypothetical thing of you know, what would have happened if
Speaker 9: this happened or that happened. You know, I'm gonna control
Speaker 9: what I can control, and that's you know, how I
Speaker 9: approach every day and how you know, I take care
Speaker 9: of the ball, and how I get the ball of
Speaker 9: the the playmakers, and how I prepare throughout the week.
Speaker 9: And you know, like I said, you know, we have
Speaker 9: two days we're gonna celebrate this win, and you know
Speaker 9: we gotta get right back at it, right back at
Speaker 9: it on Wednesday, cause you know, we're facing really good
Speaker 9: Bills team that's rolling right now, maybe.
Speaker 1: The defense up the end.
Speaker 3: So when they got to the siddle.
Speaker 14: Anything, you feel like you feel.
Speaker 3: Like you got a real pick me up at that point.
Speaker 12: Because don't understand them.
Speaker 9: Yeah, one hundred percent. You know, there was a lot
Speaker 9: of thank yous that I was telling everybody, I thank you.
Speaker 9: I appreciate it, and you know kind of like know
Speaker 9: the fi is everything that happened. You know, they didn't
Speaker 9: get any points, so you know that's kind of you know,
Speaker 9: if you don't wanna turn the ball over, but you know,
Speaker 9: if they don't get any points, you know, that's a
Speaker 9: that's a win of course. So you know for us
Speaker 9: as offens, you know, to have a defense like we do,
Speaker 9: I mean it's phenomenal. I mean to be able to
Speaker 9: you know, the team situational things that we were able
Speaker 9: to do today and the defense stepped up and it's
Speaker 9: it's just awesome to see those guys play. I mean
Speaker 9: they're one of the best, if not the best defense
Speaker 9: in the entire league.
Speaker 3: What was the mood of the team likes? I mean
Speaker 3: it's Christmas League, you know, playoffs already reach a or
Speaker 3: you gotta.
Speaker 18: Have ever you know, a lot of injuries now every
Speaker 18: recently kind of packed it w What.
Speaker 5: Was the the the team links?
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean we're we preach, you know every day
Speaker 9: that we're playing for each other. Like you said, we
Speaker 9: all know that you know, playoffs aren't you know in
Speaker 9: the future where you know, right now we're playing for
Speaker 9: one another. And you know, going into this week, we
Speaker 9: understood that, hey, we have Christmas coming around. Wouldn't be
Speaker 9: nice to enjoy Christmas with a win. So that was
Speaker 9: kind of our motivation and to be able to do
Speaker 9: go out there and execute it was you know, it's
Speaker 9: it's awesome.
Speaker 6: Could you describe where about a versus Grill or you
Speaker 6: know me over these past forts sins.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean there's you know, there's been some stuff
Speaker 9: on and off the field that you know, definitely look
Speaker 9: back on that you know has improved, you know, just
Speaker 9: speaking from the football aspect of you know, just seeing
Speaker 9: the defenses, understanding you know, pushing the ball down the field,
Speaker 9: not pushing the ball down the field, being smart with
Speaker 9: the ball, ball security, things that you know in the
Speaker 9: preseason and you know last year that I was kind
Speaker 9: of lacks day school with and those are things that
Speaker 9: you know I've tried to improve on every day and
Speaker 9: try to get better at. And then then off the field,
Speaker 9: you know, just a preparation part on watching film, understanding
Speaker 9: the game plan, understanding what we want to attack and
Speaker 9: how ob is gonna call it game and trying to
Speaker 9: be on the same page with him, and I think
Speaker 9: the more and more that you know these weeks go by,
Speaker 9: is you know, the more that me and him are
Speaker 9: gonna get closer and closer.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Appreciate you, Thank you, Thank you, Bailey. Appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Appreciate it. Thanksat wrapping up this uh Patriots post game
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Speaker 3: I have one final email here from Joe, Oh the
Speaker 3: puff cooke?
Speaker 18: Is that? What?
Speaker 20: When did you get that?
Speaker 7: This week?
Speaker 6: Probably got a deal from a front of us. It's
Speaker 6: gor Tex.
Speaker 3: Do you know about Gordex?
Speaker 20: You like saying gord Tex, don't you?
Speaker 21: You can't even turn around with that.
Speaker 1: Look at this.
Speaker 3: That is fantastic. Well done, puffy coat, Well done Kurt
Speaker 3: Warner's puffy coat. Oh my god. One final email here
Speaker 3: Joe and Weymouth, subject line go home, you have my permission.
Speaker 3: That's worse than having to stay Land on Christmas Eve
Speaker 3: to cover the Pats post game having to do it
Speaker 3: with this team. I still don't like to play a calling.
Speaker 3: Looks like they went into prevent offense after going up
Speaker 3: twenty three to seven. I didn't even know if they.
Speaker 3: I don't think they went into prevent offense. I think
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson came alive for a couple of drives and
Speaker 3: scored when no one expected them to. I thought they
Speaker 3: were actually playing smart. I didn't have a problem with
Speaker 3: the way they played up twenty three to seven offensively.
Speaker 4: I thought that they missthrows like. I didn't necessarily think
Speaker 4: it was overly conservative. I just think so, let's face it.
Speaker 4: The thing the Pats did most offense night offensively was
Speaker 4: go three and out. Yes, and they went three and
Speaker 4: out in that possession in between the touchdowns.
Speaker 3: Yeah, final thoughts, dues.
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, feel good for some guys.
Speaker 7: I know it hurts the draft position. Not really looking
Speaker 7: forward to hearing everybody cry about it all, you know, for.
Speaker 1: The whole week. Just like I totally agree it is
Speaker 1: what it is like.
Speaker 7: I don't know, that's just like this lamenting that. But
Speaker 7: it's fine.
Speaker 1: On to Buffalo.
Speaker 7: Two more games to go. We'll see what they have.
Speaker 7: That Buffalo team is like, like Zappy said, they're.
Speaker 8: Rolling so tough place to play for New England and
Speaker 8: I'm sure they'll the Buffalo fans be waiting for him now.
Speaker 1: It is an offense, I mean, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: It is a defense that the Patriots offense has had
Speaker 4: some success against the last couple of times it's played.
Speaker 4: So it'd be interesting to see if they can get
Speaker 4: in a shootout.
Speaker 3: Wow. Uh, we will be back here. Do we do
Speaker 3: we have a game time?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Next week is one o'clock. It is one of the
Speaker 7: last game is probably gonna be Sunday at one.
Speaker 3: Took the last game probably week, but it's looking like
Speaker 3: Sunday at one, okay, so we'll be back here at
Speaker 3: ten forty five. I am a week from today, correct
Speaker 3: New Year's Eve day for pregame against the Bills.
Speaker 4: That one doesn't go to overtime either, Okay, don't don't you?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, because I want to get my New Year's on.
Speaker 1: That's right tonight.
Speaker 3: But it is now officially Christmas. So Merry Christmas everyone, Thank.
Speaker 1: You animal, Thanksmas. See you guys too.
Speaker 3: Merry Christmas, everybody, Thank you so much. Final score for
Speaker 3: the final time Broncos twenty three, Patriots twenty six. Thank
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