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Speaker 1: Hi again everybody on dan Hord and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The a hot needs a Second

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Speaker 1: in their second preseason game as they face the Washington Commanders.

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Speaker 1: Coming up, I'll go one on one with rookie Seth McLaughlin,

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Speaker 1: who appears likely to make his Bengals debut on Monday.

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Speaker 1: A Cincinnati Reds pitcher discusses his love for the Orange

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. It's the greatest thing since

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Speaker 1: my first big break. Last weekend, I received an incredible

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Speaker 1: honor as I was inducted into the Syracuse Baseball Wall

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Speaker 1: of Fame. I attended Syracuse University dreaming of a career

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Speaker 1: in sports broadcasting, and the most significant break of my

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Speaker 1: career was when the late Tech Simone and his son

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Speaker 1: college graduation. Everybody needs somebody to believe in them, and

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Speaker 1: I will always be grateful that the Simones believed in me.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea how my care would have turned

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Speaker 1: I am honored to be on the Wall of Fame,

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Speaker 1: I am particularly grateful for the people that helped put

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Speaker 1: me on the path to getting there. Now, let's get

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Speaker 1: to football. One of the most intriguing undrafted rookies on

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Speaker 1: the Bengals roster is offensive lineman Seth McLaughlin. He started

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Speaker 1: twenty five games at Alabama, including a National championship game,

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Speaker 1: before transferring to Ohio State last year, where he won

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Speaker 1: But at a Tuesday practice before the Buckey's eleventh game,

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Speaker 1: Seth tore as achilles, causing him to miss the rest

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Speaker 1: Bengals shortly after the draft as a free agent. With

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Speaker 1: Ted Garris entering the final year of his contract at

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Speaker 1: It would be almost nine months to the day since

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Speaker 1: you suffered your torn achilles last year at Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: How close to normal do you feel at this point?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, each day I'm getting closer. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: When the Bengals signed you, I thought that maybe it

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a competitor. I want to get out

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Speaker 2: So I'm trying to do everything in my power to

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Speaker 1: Achilles injuries seem like they're so random. We see it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just a scout period in the middle

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Speaker 2: It didn't really hurt. Surprisingly, it was kind of just scary.

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Speaker 1: We're visiting the Bengals center Seth McLaughlin. You took part

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Speaker 1: You suffered that injury in late November before Ohio State's

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Speaker 2: At mid season, I was already you first team All

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Speaker 1: It happened before the Indiana game the next week was

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Speaker 2: One of the biggest games I was looking forward to

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Speaker 2: That was like the last redeeming moment that I, you know,

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Speaker 2: You know, it's thinks that that game went the way

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Speaker 1: Forever, no question about that. So you spent one year

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Speaker 2: from my time there. But I think I really cemented

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Speaker 1: You also started in a college football playoff win over

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Speaker 5: So that's definitely a really fond memory for me.

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Speaker 1: Your memory is right on the money. You guys ran

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Speaker 1: not for your injury last year, you surely would have

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Speaker 1: you would have loved to be drafted, but because of that,

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Speaker 2: I definitely went into I went into day two expecting

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Speaker 2: You know, he he led me to Ohio State when

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Speaker 2: of the same thing with the Bengals. You know, I

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Speaker 5: I didn't really realize how how good of an opportunity

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Speaker 2: And uh, to learn and be in such a great

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Speaker 5: So I'm happy with with how it turned out.

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Speaker 2: And it's just another thing for me to overcome, and

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Speaker 5: I've I've done it a.

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Speaker 1: The starting center here is Ted karras ten year VET captain,

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Speaker 1: What if anything have you learned from Ted?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Ted's a super intense guy. You know, He's taken

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Speaker 2: notes on literally everything that's said. It's just the level

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Speaker 2: I think I've picked up from him early on, and

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Speaker 2: I'm you know, i'd be excited to learn from him

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Speaker 2: in the season, how he game plans and stuff, because

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Speaker 5: He's morphed into the player he is.

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Speaker 2: It'd be an awesome, you know, honor to learn from

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Speaker 1: Ted of course has the sense he hat all of

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Speaker 4: Appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: It's been fun to visit and enjoy practice.

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati recently announced that former Bearcat quarterback Tony Pike is

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Speaker 7: Anytime you hear the term soft tissue injury, I don't

441
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Speaker 7: care what sport or how delicate, it is safety on

442
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Speaker 7: defense because that's the leader of the defense. That's the

443
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Speaker 7: last line of defense, and what I think the defense

444
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Speaker 7: can capitalize on is just being a sound defense from

445
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Speaker 7: the back to the front to not have the big

446
00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 7: plays that are given up. If you give up a

447
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Speaker 7: couple short yardage plays or a team's got to go

448
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,399
Speaker 7: fifteen plays on you so be it, and then you

449
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Speaker 7: bow up in the red zone and you get stops

450
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Speaker 7: like I think Al Golden has done a good job

451
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Speaker 7: with during training camp.

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Speaker 4: You can't give up big play.

453
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Speaker 7: And I know you want to get after the passer,

454
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Speaker 7: but at the back end of the defense, you got

455
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Speaker 7: to have a guy that's gonna make sure not only

456
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Speaker 7: he's in the right spot, but all other ten guys

457
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Speaker 7: are in the right spot as well, and make sure

458
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,920
Speaker 7: the communication is where it needs to be. So safety

459
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Speaker 7: a little bit still for me. On defense offense, I

460
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Speaker 7: still think it's the guard position. I don't think it's

461
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Speaker 7: Dylan Fairchild's position because I was extremely impressed with him

462
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Speaker 7: against Philadelphia. I've also extremely impressed with him watching him

463
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Speaker 7: in practice because now you know the defense is running

464
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Speaker 7: some more stunts, it's not as basic one on one rush,

465
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Speaker 7: and he's picking everything up. The athleticism, the footwork is there,

466
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Speaker 7: it's the other guard spot for me? Is it Lucas Patrick?

467
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Speaker 7: Is it Cody Ford? How's that going to pan itself out?

468
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Speaker 7: Because we know what everything else is. We know what

469
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Speaker 7: the tight ends and the running backs and the wide receivers.

470
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Speaker 7: We surely know what the quarterback is. To me, it's

471
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Speaker 7: it's still that guard position because if that gets shirt

472
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Speaker 7: up and you feel good about that going to Cleveland,

473
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Speaker 7: this offense can do crazy things.

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Speaker 1: And it certainly looks like it's going to be Lucas

475
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Speaker 1: Patrick for the last couple of weeks. Now he's the

476
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Speaker 1: only guy that's been in there with the ones. Most recently,

477
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Speaker 1: Cody Ford has been practicing as the swing tackle, his

478
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Speaker 1: primary job last year. So again, we've still got three

479
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Speaker 1: weeks and three days from the opener, but it appears

480
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Speaker 1: that Lucas Patrick has become the guy.

481
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Speaker 7: And we talk all the time about Al Golden. You

482
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Speaker 7: got Scott Peters, who's a new O line coach. So

483
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Speaker 7: now you've got a new scheme on the offensive line,

484
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Speaker 7: You've got new techniques that you're teaching. And I think

485
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Speaker 7: we are all guilty of it at some point of

486
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 7: just getting caught up in the moment because you want

487
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Speaker 7: to react to everything that's happening, especially in the media.

488
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Speaker 7: I'm at times reporting for five hours a day and

489
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Speaker 7: then five different calls. You've got to have something to

490
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Speaker 7: talk about, and at times I think you get caught

491
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Speaker 7: up and just focusing on the day and not realizing

492
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Speaker 7: he's still got three weeks and some change before the

493
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Speaker 7: first game. There are going to be growing pains anytime

494
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Speaker 7: you bring in a new system, but as you continue

495
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Speaker 7: to grow, I think you have a chance to learn

496
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Speaker 7: from it. There was a point in practice where Shamar

497
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Speaker 7: Stewart and we all know the play, beat Lucas Patrick

498
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Speaker 7: on a stunt and everyone makes a big deal about

499
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 7: that play, but that same stunt was run later in

500
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Speaker 7: practice and Lucas Patrick stuffed him. He stuffed Shamar Stewart

501
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Speaker 7: where he was, so to me, he's learning from the

502
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Speaker 7: mistake and they're going to continue to go through some

503
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Speaker 7: growing pains, but there's still a lot of time between

504
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Speaker 7: now in the season.

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Speaker 1: You reference the soft tissue injury that Geno Stone is

506
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Speaker 1: dealing with. Did that expose a lack of depth at

507
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Speaker 1: safety more than maybe we even thought about.

508
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Speaker 4: I think it did.

509
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Speaker 7: And then I think the follow up with coach Zach

510
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,199
Speaker 7: Taylor of saying, we got to figure out who we

511
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Speaker 7: have back there and what we have. I think it

512
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 7: gives opportunity to some young players, but there's not a

513
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Speaker 7: lot of game snaps in that secondary or in that

514
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 7: safety room. And that's hard to overcome because if you

515
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Speaker 7: start going down the list of who you're going to

516
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 7: be facing this year, and the ultimate goal is getting

517
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Speaker 7: to a super Bowl, and you know the offenses that

518
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Speaker 7: are in line with that and what the Ravens can

519
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,199
Speaker 7: do and Pittsburgh ads Aaron Rodgers, we know what the

520
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,439
Speaker 7: Bills and the Chiefs still are. You've got to be

521
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Speaker 7: able to stop the passing game and so much as

522
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 7: pre snap communication. So it does it. It exposes a

523
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 7: little bit of a concern of you hope Gino stones

524
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 7: there because he played great down the stretch last year,

525
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Speaker 7: But for me, it's the what's next?

526
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Speaker 4: What if?

527
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Speaker 7: The contingency plan always has to be in place because depth,

528
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Speaker 7: as we know in the NFL, very rarely are guys

529
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 7: going through all seventeen games without getting banged up or

530
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 7: missing a series or a quarter or a couple of games.

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Speaker 7: The depth is such a key piece for those contending teams.

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow says, this is the best he's thrown the

533
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Speaker 1: ball in several years. You were an excellent quarterback and

534
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Speaker 1: an NFL draft pick. Can you see a difference between

535
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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow this camp and the Joe Burrow that we've

536
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Speaker 1: enjoyed watching the last several years?

537
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Speaker 7: As he said, you're out there, you see it. I mean,

538
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Speaker 7: it's a confidence and it's just a swagger that he

539
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 7: carries himself with. It's hard to explain, but I knew

540
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Speaker 7: early on in camp watching him in individual drills the

541
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Speaker 7: way he handled individual drills, because there are times where

542
00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 7: he he's very mechanical, but then there's other times you

543
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 7: see him roll out to his left, flip the hips,

544
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Speaker 7: drive the ball, and then he just kind of walks away,

545
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 7: and you could tell as he's walking away, he's like, yep,

546
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Speaker 7: that feels good. Like It's just it's hard because it's

547
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Speaker 7: hard to explain unless you see it in person. But

548
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Speaker 7: you know, I follow a lot of what Dan or

549
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Speaker 7: Lofsky does, and Dan ro Lofsky grated the seven best

550
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Speaker 7: traits for quarterbacks in the National Football League. Joe Burrow

551
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Speaker 7: was at the top of four of them, and you know,

552
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Speaker 7: you can't beat that mechanically, pocket presence, timing, ball placement,

553
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 7: you can't beat any of that with Joe Burrow. But

554
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Speaker 7: to think about his path to where he's at right

555
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 7: now and everything he's had to overcome in training camp,

556
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Speaker 7: from injuries to pandemics, to his number one wide receiver

557
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 7: not doing a snap of preseason camp, and to see

558
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 7: the numbers he's put up and now all of a sudden,

559
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Speaker 7: I think you see a guy that knows I've got

560
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 7: my full compliment of weapons. I feel the best I

561
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 7: have in my NFL career. I'm not rehabbing a major injury.

562
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Speaker 7: We're not diagnosing on every pass. Did that one wobble?

563
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 7: Was there enough zip on that the wristess is healthy?

564
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Speaker 7: And I can tell from playing the position after he

565
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 7: makes a throw the way he kind of carries himself afterwards,

566
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 7: like okay, okay, he's feeling himself a little bit, and

567
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 7: that is a dangerous thing for the NFL.

568
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Speaker 1: Let me play off that dan Orlowski list of traits.

569
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Speaker 1: So let's turn the clock back to twenty ten. You're

570
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Speaker 1: a rookie with the Carolina Panthers. What Joe Burrow trait

571
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Speaker 1: would you have liked to steal oh man U.

572
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Speaker 7: The ball placement because I don't think you can beat

573
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Speaker 7: that in the NFL. I mean Joe Burrow, for what

574
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Speaker 7: it's worth. On that list, I think he's seventh or

575
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Speaker 7: eighth in arm strength. When's the last time you're watching

576
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Speaker 7: a game and a quarterback drops back, kit pats the

577
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 7: ball for a couple seconds and throws at seventy yards

578
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 7: in the air. I don't need the strongest arm, but

579
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Speaker 7: the ability. There's been times at camp where I've raved

580
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Speaker 7: about what the defense is doing and then just applaud

581
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 7: the offense because Joe Burrow drops a ball into Andrey

582
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Speaker 7: Yoshibas down the seam in the middle of three guys.

583
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Speaker 7: Like the ball placement to me is the top because

584
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Speaker 7: there's no way to defend that. Every defense has a weakness,

585
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 7: every defense has a hole. But the coordinator on the

586
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 7: defense is saying, okay, if they make that throw, tip

587
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 7: your cap. More often than not, you have to tip

588
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 7: your cap to what Joe Burrow is doing because his

589
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 7: ball placement is so elite and he has this he

590
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 7: has this ability no matter what's going on around him.

591
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 7: It's not like if pressure's at his feet his ball

592
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 7: placement waivers. It's not like if he's on the run,

593
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,479
Speaker 7: his ball placement waivers. It's not like everything has to

594
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 7: be perfect every single time he throws the ball. The

595
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,959
Speaker 7: ball goes where it's supposed to be, and that is

596
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Speaker 7: It's something you can't drill, you can't teach, it's just

597
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 7: God given.

598
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Speaker 1: You reference some of those throws to Andra Yosi Bosh.

599
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: I shoot video basically of every play when they're scrimmaging

600
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: a training camp, and it seems to me I have

601
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: more clips of spectacular throws to Yosi Bosh than anybody else.

602
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: So then I kind of backtrack, and when Joe says

603
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: he feels like he's throwing the ball better than he

604
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: ever has or as well as he ever has, I

605
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: think I've seen more of those kind of intermediate throws

606
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: over the corner in front of the safety, dropped in

607
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: perfectly to Andrea Yosi Vash than anybody else. And I

608
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: wonder if maybe that's the thing that Joe in his

609
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: own mind is doing better than he ever has before.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's incredible, And if you're Joe, you know what.

611
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 7: Jamar and t are the obvious. The battle has always

612
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 7: figured out Okay, how can we add more weapons? And

613
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 7: the more I can pump a ball to somebody else

614
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 7: at practice, the more I'm gonna have success on the

615
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 7: field because you're building that player's confidence as well.

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Speaker 4: But I mean, I can't explain.

617
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Speaker 7: That the times where there's a too high look on

618
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 7: defense and a backer or a nickel or a dime

619
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Speaker 7: is carrying the slot receiver in this case, andre Yosi Vash,

620
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 7: and somehow the ball fits over top of that Chase

621
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 7: defender and in between two safeties and there's a connection there.

622
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Speaker 7: And I think in previous years you've seen the connection

623
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 7: in the red zone more than anything with andre Yosi Vash.

624
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Speaker 7: I think now, if you're down there and you see

625
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 7: physically Yoshi vas looks different, like he looks bigger, faster, stronger,

626
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 7: he's better in and out of his breaks. And if

627
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 7: you think just on an offensive point of view, I know,

628
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Speaker 7: if I'm a defensive coordinator, I've got to bring attention

629
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Speaker 7: to Jamar Chase. I've got to bring attention to t Higgins.

630
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Speaker 7: Now I've got to worry about two tight end sets. Oh,

631
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 7: by the way, how am I going to cover andre Yoshibah?

632
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 7: So if you're Andre Now you have the luxury that

633
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 7: every time you line up, you're going to see a

634
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 7: team's third or fourth best cover guy. So you don't

635
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 7: have to beat Jay R Alexander one on one. You

636
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 7: don't have to beat some of the top corners in

637
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 7: this game. You've got to beat a team's third or

638
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 7: fourth best and I like those odds. With what we've

639
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 7: seen from andre Yoshibas to this point of becoming a

640
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 7: very impactful player.

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Speaker 1: Is it a Cincinnati three way again like it used

642
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: to be when Tyler Boyd was the third guy.

643
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Speaker 7: I think it's as close as we've had it since

644
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 7: Tyler Boyd was here in his prime. And I think again,

645
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 7: if you see how this offense is built. As a

646
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 7: defensive coordinator, I know we've harped on it. I'm not

647
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 7: trying anything. I'm dropping seven, I'm rushing four. I'm hoping

648
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 7: to get pressure with four, and if not, I'll try

649
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 7: to shrink the field and win in the red zone.

650
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 7: There's no other way that you can guard this offense

651
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 7: because of the matchups that it presents. You know, if

652
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 7: you want to play your small personnel, the Bengals can

653
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 7: go twelve and they can run two tight ends, and

654
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 7: then you got to say, Okay, do I match that

655
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 7: with bigger personnel and then give up some stuff in

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Speaker 7: the passing game, or do I keep my lighter personnel

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Speaker 7: out there and then I get dominated in the running game.

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Speaker 4: So it is a wide receiver.

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Speaker 7: Dream right now to play in this offense because of

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Speaker 7: the matchups that you're going to get us at tight

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Speaker 7: end as well. But yeah, I think they can push

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Speaker 7: this year to get that three way back.

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Speaker 1: We're chatting with former NFL quarterback Tony Pike, the host

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Speaker 1: of Since three sixty on ESPN fifteen thirty in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 4: Let's turn to defense.

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Speaker 1: How did you feel about the selection of Shamar Stewart

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Speaker 1: in the first round when it happened, and how do

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Speaker 1: you feel now?

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Speaker 7: You know, I think the obvious answer was the production

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Speaker 7: and four and a half sacks, And I know playing

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Speaker 7: in the SEC is different, but you know they have

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Speaker 7: some bye weeks built in there as well against some

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Speaker 7: bad competition. So I was a little skeptical because it

674
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Speaker 7: felt like, here's a guy that's super athletic, but maybe

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Speaker 7: not as polished as you would hope for an impact

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Speaker 7: player at number seventeen. And then of course you don't

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Speaker 7: know what to think because of how the offseason transpired.

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Speaker 7: I couldn't be any higher on Shamar Stewart than I

679
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Speaker 7: am right now from watching since he came back to

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Speaker 7: the practice field, since he stepped foot on the field,

681
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Speaker 7: he has flashed with power, athleticism, His change of direction

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Speaker 7: is incredible, his get off. He made a play in

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Speaker 7: the Philadelphia game where he showed on the run and

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Speaker 7: if the ball was handed off, he would have made

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Speaker 7: the play. And then he was still able to get

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Speaker 7: to the quarterback on the rollout and affect the throw.

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Speaker 7: And to me, that's when it kind of clicked of okay,

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Speaker 7: even if the sacks aren't there yet for Shamar Stewart.

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Speaker 7: Look at Patrick Mahomes last year in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 7: Wasn't a ton of sacks, but it was the most

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Speaker 7: uncomfortable you've ever seen Patrick Mahomes. He almost looked at

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Speaker 7: times because of the pass rush of Philly, not all

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Speaker 7: the time getting home, but just making him uncomfortable. So,

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Speaker 7: if Schamar doesn't have the sack totals that are there yet,

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Speaker 7: we've already seen at practice, We've already seen in a

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Speaker 7: game setting that he has the ability to get to

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Speaker 7: the quarterback and make him uncomfortable. And in the NFL

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Speaker 7: that can lead to an arm angle that changes in

699
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Speaker 7: a ball that sales for a quarterback or not being

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Speaker 7: able to drive into a throw and there's less on

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Speaker 7: it and a corner can undercut it. There are plays

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Speaker 7: that the secondary will make because of Shamar Stewart, even

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Speaker 7: if he's not getting home and getting the sack.

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Speaker 1: You ready for a Dan Horde hot take, please, Shamar

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Speaker 1: Stewart might not finish in the top five in sacks.

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Speaker 1: He probably won't, at least as a rookie, he will

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Speaker 1: finish in the top five. And tipped passes. How many

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Speaker 1: balls has he already tipped?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, in fourteen.

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Speaker 7: Practices, it's been incredible. I mean his first practice he

711
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Speaker 7: had what two or three on his own, and you know,

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Speaker 7: I think he's still learning the ropes of you know,

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Speaker 7: the quarterback halo, and I know we've talked a lot

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Speaker 7: about that. But the thing is is what I think

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Speaker 7: this defense needs as a chip. I think they need

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Speaker 7: a player that's going to punch the other team in

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Speaker 7: the mouth and not be the one that's getting punched

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Speaker 7: in the mouth. I would rather have eleven Shamar Stewarts

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Speaker 7: that are going to play through the whistle than someone

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Speaker 7: that's maybe going to be on that timid side just

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Speaker 7: a little bit that. That was the same conversation that

722
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Speaker 7: was talked early in camp about Demetrius Knight. Zach Taylor

723
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Speaker 7: talked about, well, you know, sometimes he's a little bit

724
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Speaker 7: pushing the issue from a tackling or a hitting standpoint,

725
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Speaker 7: But he said, I'd rather have a guy like that

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Speaker 7: than a guy on the other end of the spectrum.

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Speaker 7: So I think both the young guys on defense they

728
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Speaker 7: have an impact because they play with a chip and

729
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Speaker 7: they play with a speed and they're the aggressors. And

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Speaker 7: if you can feed on that as a defense and

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Speaker 7: adopt that mentality, you're going to have a lot of success.

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Speaker 1: So when Shamar Stewart stumbled and collide to with Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrow and the offensive line took exception and started to

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Speaker 1: fight on the next snap, should they have Was Shami

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Speaker 1: Stewart in the wrong even if it was accidental, No.

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Speaker 4: I don't think so.

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Speaker 7: If he was untouched to the quarterback and he just

738
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Speaker 7: got in the bubble of Joe Burrow and stood there, absolutely,

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Speaker 7: you know, I understand the skirmish in the fight. The

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Speaker 7: issue is, and players don't know this on the field

741
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Speaker 7: at the time. They just see Burrow down. And I

742
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Speaker 7: love the fact that everyone ran in because that's what

743
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Speaker 7: you want, that mentality you want. If number nine is down,

744
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Speaker 7: I want five offensive linemen going to pick him up.

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Speaker 7: But in that case, at least to me, it looked

746
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Speaker 7: like on his stunt he already had started to lose

747
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Speaker 7: his balance, and I think as he was beating Lucas Patrick,

748
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Speaker 7: he kind of got a shove from Lucas Patrick. And

749
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Speaker 7: if you've ever fallen before, or fallen over a period

750
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Speaker 7: of a couple of yards, it's hard enough to regain

751
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Speaker 7: your balance, let alone being pushed by an offensive lineman.

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Speaker 7: I think it was just his momentum because he does

753
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Speaker 7: his fire is different, his get off is, he's operating

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Speaker 7: a different speed. I think that was completely an accident,

755
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Speaker 7: and it's one of those teaching moments to say, hey,

756
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Speaker 7: just remember you know, we don't go near the quarterback.

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Speaker 7: But I don't think you can fault him for that play.

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Speaker 7: I don't think there was anything malicious. I think he

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Speaker 7: lost his balance and couldn't regain it until unfortunately he

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Speaker 7: got into the lap of Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 1: So sometime in the last twenty four hours or so,

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Speaker 1: Brandon Schurf announced his retirement. So Bengals fans that have

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Speaker 1: still been pining for them to sign a Brandon Shurf,

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Speaker 1: the veteran offensive guard, are not going to get their wish.

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Speaker 1: If the Bengals were to decide to add a veteran

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Speaker 1: before the start of the season, do you have somebody

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Speaker 1: that you would like to see them go after?

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Speaker 7: Uh, well, I think Arizona already scooped up Bernandez. Now

769
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Speaker 7: with Sheriff off the board, I think it becomes one

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Speaker 7: of those you pay attention to thirty one other teams

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Speaker 7: on cutdown day because you know what you always get

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Speaker 7: met with is well, if they're still out there, that

773
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Speaker 7: means thirty one other teams passed on them. That's not

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Speaker 7: the case because thirty one other teams might not have

775
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Speaker 7: the same need that you have if you're the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 7: So like free agent wise, I don't think there's anyone

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Speaker 7: that you're gonna bring in and say boom, that's an

778
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Speaker 7: immediate upgrade. There are always times during cutdown days in

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Speaker 7: the NFL where you say, man, that player got let

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Speaker 7: go or they moved on from him because they might

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Speaker 7: have a surplus of players they might've drafted at that position,

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Speaker 7: they might be confident in there one or two deep there.

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Speaker 7: So I think more than any other year, you pay

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Speaker 7: attention to cut down days and see who's left out

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Speaker 7: there and say, okay, does that make an immediate knee

786
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Speaker 7: or immediate upgrade do our roster right now? Are we

787
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Speaker 7: better with that player than we would be without.

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Speaker 1: The other name that a lot of people bring up

789
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Speaker 1: is Justin Simmons, the safety who is great several years ago.

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Speaker 1: His PFF grades were lousy. Last year, he's thirty one.

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Speaker 1: He really seems to be declining. So I think that

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Speaker 1: does kind of fit under that description of well, he's

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Speaker 1: probably still out there for a reason, and maybe you're

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Speaker 1: better off seeing what's available after cutdown day for guys

795
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Speaker 1: that have actually played in preseason games and you can

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Speaker 1: evaluate how they look right now.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, if you wanted to dive into PFF,

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Speaker 7: von Bell had a higher PFF grade last year than

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Speaker 7: Justin Simmons. And I know it's not all about the grade,

800
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 7: it's about the system, it's about the scheme, but he

801
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Speaker 7: did that playing next to one of the best safeties

802
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Speaker 7: in the league and Jesse Bates. So you know, I'm

803
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Speaker 7: not in the belief of you've got to reach or

804
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 7: you've got a panic, because again, there are players that

805
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Speaker 7: come about on cutdown day. I think they're going to

806
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Speaker 7: be active on cutdown day, not just to add one piece,

807
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Speaker 7: but I think they had maybe two three pieces because

808
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Speaker 7: of the ability of guys that have now been in

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Speaker 7: football shape. We talked about that all the time of

810
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Speaker 7: you know, you don't go through a training camp. You're

811
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Speaker 7: working out, but you're not working out the same as

812
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 7: you would be if you're out there on the practice

813
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 7: field every single day. But I think safety, I think

814
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Speaker 7: guard on cutdown day is going to be very interesting

815
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Speaker 7: to watch what these other teams.

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Speaker 1: Do, aside from Joe Burrow, Jamar Jason T. Higgins who

817
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: has impressed you the most at training camp and feel

818
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Speaker 1: free to go with one on offense and one on

819
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Speaker 1: defense if you feel that way.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think there's times in this week Marco Wilson

821
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Speaker 7: flashed at corner. I think he made some really good

822
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 7: plays in the practice that was built up as a

823
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Speaker 7: lot of unscripted plays. And I want to see guys

824
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Speaker 7: that can go off script and react, and I think

825
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 7: that was impressive. But for me, Demetrius Night, I think,

826
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Speaker 7: is at a.

827
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Speaker 4: Really solid camp.

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Speaker 7: I can't express how hard it is for a rookie

829
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Speaker 7: to go through a system you've been in for years.

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Speaker 7: Then you break from that system, you scrap all of it,

831
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Speaker 7: and then you just worry about getting your body right

832
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Speaker 7: for the combine and Pro days. And then you get

833
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Speaker 7: through that and before you can take a breath, now

834
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Speaker 7: you're going to rookie mini camp, and then you're going

835
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Speaker 7: to off season workouts, and then you're going to preseason camp.

836
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Speaker 4: You don't have an off season, and.

837
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Speaker 7: Your mind is just always being flooded with new information.

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Speaker 7: I think he's taken to a very hard position in

839
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Speaker 7: the NFL extremely well. Yes, you got to finish plays,

840
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 7: you got to make tackles, but more often than not,

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Speaker 7: I see Demetrius Night. He's in the right place, he's

842
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 7: connected to a guy in coverage, he's filling a gap

843
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Speaker 7: correctly in the run game. I think he's had a

844
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Speaker 7: really really good camp as maybe the draft pick that

845
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Speaker 7: didn't get talked about because so much focus was on

846
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Speaker 7: Shamar Stewart and then so much focus was on Dylan Fairchild.

847
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Speaker 7: He kind of got sandwiched in between, and I think

848
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Speaker 7: he's been really, really solid. We don't talk much about him,

849
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Speaker 7: but Charlie Jones to me is just this solid under

850
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 7: the radar, doesn't make any noise, and then in the

851
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 7: preseason game you see him get targeted and he makes

852
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 7: some catches. You see him in the special team's return game.

853
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 7: He's always solid. I looked at years ago Trent Irwin

854
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 7: when he needed to play because of injuries to others.

855
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 7: It was like they didn't skip a beat when he

856
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Speaker 7: came in, and Joe Burrow was confident enough to find him.

857
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Speaker 7: And I think all the receivers, Jermaine Burtons had a

858
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 7: really good camp. But I think it says something when

859
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 7: you get into a preseason game and everything's firing around

860
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 7: you in the quarterback with just instinct, confident in going

861
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Speaker 7: to you knowing you're going to be doing what you

862
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Speaker 7: need to be doing, You're going to be in your spot.

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Speaker 7: I've been extremely impressed with him. I mentioned earlier, I

864
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Speaker 7: think todzs Brooks is a steal and I might be

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Speaker 7: biased because we sat there at Texas TCH and watched

866
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Speaker 7: what he did to the Bearcats, but Texas Tech is

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Speaker 7: known for a spread it out though at fifty sixty

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Speaker 7: times a game.

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Speaker 4: He had back to back thousand yard rushing years fifteen

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Speaker 4: hundred yards.

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Speaker 7: He's a bowling ball, and what I like most about

872
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 7: him is he is more than willing and able to

873
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 7: step in in a pass protection role. And I don't

874
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 7: know how big the role will be this year, but

875
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Speaker 7: I think you feel really good about not only him,

876
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 7: but when you kind of look at everything together, a

877
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 7: lot of the young core.

878
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 4: Nucleus that's shown so far for the Bengals through.

879
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: Camp certainly like those choices. I'll give you a couple

880
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: of mine. I think Cam Taylor Britt has been excellent

881
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: this camp. I really can't think of a bad practice

882
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: that he's had. Some have been better than others. But

883
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: he looks like the guy that we thought he was

884
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: going to be going into last season, where money of

885
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: has said, you know, there's maybe an odd chance he

886
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 1: becomes a pro bowler. He looks like that guy.

887
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 4: Again.

888
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 7: It's hard because when you watch you don't notice a

889
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 7: ton but that's a good thing if you're a corner,

890
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 7: like if you are man, there's another catch down the sideline.

891
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 7: Who's that on? Oh, Cam like that that's a bad thing.

892
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 7: There's like very few instances I can go back to

893
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 7: right now and say, man, that Cam got beat. And

894
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 7: if it is like there was a play unscripted first

895
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 7: drive when the Bengals went down and scored. It was

896
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 7: a third down, Joe Burrow hit Jamar Chase on a

897
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,919
Speaker 7: back shoulder throw that you could not have covered any

898
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 7: better as a corner in the NFL. That was Cam

899
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 7: Taylor britt It's like, Okay, tip your cap. The best

900
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 7: wide receiver in football and the best quarterback just connected

901
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 7: and made a very good play. But even the plays

902
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 7: that are made, it feels like he's in the right

903
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 7: position and where he needs to be. And I don't

904
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Speaker 7: think you can say enough about you know, the iron

905
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 7: sharpens iron mentality of what the defense gets by going

906
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 7: against that offense every day and a Jamar Chase and

907
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 7: Joe Burrow, and I think you just grow leaps and

908
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 7: bounds from that.

909
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: On that back shoulder catch that you just described, I

910
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,959
Speaker 1: happened to be standing very close to where Jamar caught

911
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 1: the ball. Cam Taylor Bridd actually deflected it. Jamar still

912
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: made the catch, and afterward the cornerbacks coach Chuck Burke's

913
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: yelled out great coverage Cam just to make sure he knews.

914
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 7: There's nothing else you can do in those situations. It

915
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 7: has just tip your cap, pat him on the back

916
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 7: and move on to the next play and try to

917
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Speaker 7: get him then.

918
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Speaker 1: And the offensive guy that's impressed me the most other

919
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: than the big three is a guy we talked about earlier,

920
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: andre Yosi Vash. And I put it this way, everything

921
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: that fans want Jermaine Burton to be, andre Yosi Vash

922
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 1: already is big, strong, fast, runs great routes. He's become tougher,

923
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 1: He's become better at contested catches. So yeah, I'm interested

924
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: in Jermaine Burton. I hope he lives up to his potential.

925
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: I think andre Josi Vash is already that guy.

926
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Speaker 7: The contested catches have stood out at camp. But I

927
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 7: also think his route running just looks so much cleanup.

928
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 7: And I think the first couple of years he knew, Okay,

929
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 7: this is going to be my role. Let me excel

930
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 7: in my red zone routes. And you saw in the

931
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Speaker 7: red zone Joe Burrow would find him, whereas it wasn't

932
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Speaker 7: in between the twenties as much.

933
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Speaker 4: And I think.

934
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Speaker 7: Now because what you've seen a camp, you see that

935
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 7: and you see the build up of the confidence that

936
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 7: Joe Burrow now has and andre Yoshiva. I also think

937
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 7: in being there, there are just guys you see, Like

938
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 7: you see t Higgins on a practice field and you're like,

939
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 7: holy cat, like he is huge. I've seen andre Yoshi

940
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 7: vas and you like double take this year, like that

941
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 7: can't be the same guy. Like whatever he's done in

942
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 7: the off season, whatever the workout regimen that he's been on,

943
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 7: I need to get on that because it's leaps and

944
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 7: bounds where he was, and it's also the little things

945
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 7: like there was a practice early in camp and it's

946
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 7: the dog days of camp he was. He was probably

947
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 7: out there thirty minutes after camp, signing autographs and taking

948
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,479
Speaker 7: pictures and not just moving down the line, but having

949
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 7: genuine conversations, looking people in the eye, you know, talking

950
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 7: to fans. And I just think the way you connect

951
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 7: that way and the way he's connected with Burrow and

952
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 7: the physical nature in which he's playing right now is

953
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 7: poised to have some sort of breakout. I don't know

954
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 7: what that is, because you have so many weapons gets taled.

955
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 7: I don't know what andre Yoshibah's breakout year is, but

956
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 7: there are going to be games this year where he's

957
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 7: relied on to make a big catch or big catches

958
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 7: because he's getting the coverage rolled away from him. And

959
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 7: I think if you're the Bengals, you're confident that he's

960
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 7: gonna win those battles.

961
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: A couple more things for Tony Pike. Is there a

962
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: guy or are there a couple of guys that you're

963
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: still waiting to see something from a person that you

964
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: focused on and just think to yourself, man, take the

965
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: next step.

966
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Speaker 7: I think offensive line wise, you're happy with Warre Mims

967
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 7: has taken it. You're knowing that Dylan Fairchild is growing.

968
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 7: You're solid with Orlando Brown Junior. I think Lucas Patrick

969
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 7: you still want to see more. And what I like

970
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,760
Speaker 7: about Lucas Patrick is he's not making the same mistake twice.

971
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 7: He's learning as he goes, but he's still got a

972
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 7: little bit of a ways to go. And I don't

973
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 7: think it's any detriment to the players themselves, but I

974
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 7: would like to see more twelve personnel. We just can't

975
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 7: because Mike Kasicki hasn't practiced because we haven't got a

976
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 7: chance to see yet and Gasicki in the game at

977
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 7: the same time, and what that can look like to

978
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 7: a defensive standpoint. Outside of that on offense, I don't

979
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 7: think you can take much away from what they've done.

980
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 7: I still think there are times where you want to

981
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 7: see Miles Murphy finish where again you want to talk

982
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 7: about physical You look at him and you're like, man,

983
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 7: that's a defensive end in the NFL. He's got all

984
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 7: the tools and at times he's so close to being there,

985
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 7: but he just doesn't finish. And if you could figure

986
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 7: out a way to get him to finish with the

987
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 7: JOSEPHO said that played at the end of last year,

988
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 7: adding Shamar Stewart ideally getting Trey Hendrickson back. All of

989
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 7: a sudden, if you're out, golden third downs become exciting

990
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 7: because now I think you have versatile guys in Miles

991
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 7: Murphy and Shamar Stewart that don't just have to line

992
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 7: up at defensive end. I think you can move him inside.

993
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 7: I think you can stand him up on the outside.

994
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 7: I think you can get really creative if you can

995
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 7: just get that next bit of production from a guy

996
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 7: like Miles Murphy.

997
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: Final thing, is there anything you're really looking to see

998
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 1: in the second preseason game at Washington on Monday night?

999
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 7: I would love to see the offense just be as

1000
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 7: crisp as they were, because I view it as the

1001
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 7: last chance you get to do that before you get

1002
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 7: to Cleveland and a lot of folks they will scoring

1003
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 7: get them out. There's a value from an offensive standpoint

1004
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 7: in running a series, coming to the sideline, looking at

1005
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 7: the iPad, getting some teaching moments and say, hey, they're

1006
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 7: doing this, Let's try this on the next series. So

1007
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 7: it's not about just go down and score and get out.

1008
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 7: I think it's valuable to come out and get Okay,

1009
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 7: what's going on the sideline, what are they doing? What's

1010
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 7: our answer to it? Boom here it is, let's go

1011
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 7: do it on the next drive. Defensively, they've got to

1012
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 7: be better than what they were, and that's all I'm

1013
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 7: looking for. All I want to see is, hey, the

1014
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 7: baseline didn't start off great, but can you get better

1015
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 7: against Washington than you were against Philly? Because if that's

1016
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 7: the case, then it tells me they're improving, they're learning.

1017
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 7: They take what they're being taught and they're putting it

1018
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 7: on the field. There are going to be growing pains

1019
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 7: on the defensive side of the ball. But as long

1020
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 7: as you are getting better when you get opportunities, then

1021
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 7: I think you feel good if you're al golden in

1022
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 7: this team. And then Evan McPherson, you know, he made

1023
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 7: a fifty one yarder in Week one. I would like

1024
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 7: and you never want to do it because you don't

1025
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 7: want to take away from your offense. But I'd like

1026
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 7: if there was a third and long to maybe just

1027
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 7: run the ball and give Evan a fifty three fifty

1028
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 7: four yarder, because I think that confidence for him goes

1029
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 7: a long way as well. So all three aspects, I

1030
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 7: think there are good things you can see. And then

1031
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 7: get off the field healthy and get ready for the

1032
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:35,240
Speaker 7: regular season.

1033
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 1: Let Evan go from seventy like the Jacksonville Oh.

1034
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 7: Boy, you know who held for him in college? I

1035
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 7: don't our guy Fletcher Huh, Arkansas. How about that good

1036
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 7: nugget there you go. That's why I deliver nuggets.

1037
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 1: Tony, you're doing an awesome job on Cincy three sixty

1038
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: and congratulations on your recent induction into the University of

1039
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Athletics Hall of Fame.

1040
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 4: It is very well deserved. Thank you. I appreciate that's

1041
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 4: always good catching.

1042
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: Up my thanks to Bearcat's legend Tony Pike. And that's

1043
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