1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: partnership with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 2: The scans shown as it. 4 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 3: Katie those, we have an incredible episode for you today. 5 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 3: Not only will we be graced by the Danny Bukatinski 6 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 3: or as I call him, Danny Buka as we break 7 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 3: down this episode, but later on we get a little 8 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 3: bit more info from Scott Foley about what it was 9 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,919 Speaker 3: like to be command or when he actually became command. 10 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 3: In this episode, we have to talk about James from 11 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 3: beginning middle end, we have to talk about the brilliant 12 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 3: Danny Bukatin grace us with his presence today. We're so lucky. 13 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 3: We have been waiting to have you on this podcast. Yes, 14 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 3: I do waiting, cherishing, waiting. But then also everyone needs 15 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 3: to know that Danny Buca and I share the same birthday. 16 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: You guys do every year, No wonder, you're both nuts, 17 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: it's every year. 18 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 4: We're both nuts. We're both nuts, but we like connected 19 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 4: over our birthday, like on day one and now every year, 20 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 4: you know, we hang out. 21 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 3: It's why we are perfect, glorious, special, smart, stunning inside 22 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 3: and out, very sexually advanced. 23 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 4: Now yeah, yeah, I get that a lot. I get 24 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:40,639 Speaker 4: that a lot. 25 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm bringing us in. Why how did you get James? 26 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 3: Where were you in your life? How did you get 27 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 3: it to Shaun Land? Also, you auditioned for huck. 28 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 4: Well you just did? You just answer my question? No? 29 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 3: But weren't you writing in Grays. 30 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 4: No, I wasn't quite writing a graze yet. I had 31 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 4: done episode of Grey's Anatomy a season earlier and Shonda 32 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 4: wasn't around, and I didn't meet her for that, but 33 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 4: I remember that Linda Lowie, the casting director, sent a 34 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 4: scene I had done in Curby Your Enthusiasm to Shonda 35 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,399 Speaker 4: and she approved me to get the offer on Grey's Anatomy. 36 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 4: Then I did Grey's Anatomy, and right around that time, 37 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 4: my book came out. Does This Baby Make Me Look Straight? 38 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 3: It's such a great book for anyone. It's brilliant. Does 39 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 3: this Baby make Me Look straight? It's brilliant. 40 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: No, it does not, is the answer. 41 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 4: It does not make me look straight. I mean there's 42 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 4: you know, that would be a stunt. There's a lot 43 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 4: that would need to I mean, there's there'd be a 44 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 4: lot more work than just the baby, and I've had 45 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 4: two of them. But you know, The book chronicles my 46 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 4: whole like journey into parenthood with my husband and adoption, 47 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 4: and in the book, I this is going somewhere, I promise. 48 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 4: In the book, I talk about the inspiration I got 49 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 4: from Dan savage book The Kid, and Shonda's inspiration for 50 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 4: her adoption of her kids was also Dan Savage as 51 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 4: The Kid. So we wound up. I don't know how 52 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 4: it happened, but one way or another, I wound up 53 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 4: sending Shonda my book. She wound up blurbing on my 54 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 4: book before it came out, and we sort of connected 55 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 4: over the way we became parents. Around that time, I 56 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 4: then came into I went into a casting session to 57 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 4: read for Huck and the monologue I will never forget it. 58 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 4: I don't know, Giermo if you remember it, but the 59 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 4: audition monologue was so beautifully written. It was a perfect 60 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 4: example of how quickly an actor could learn it. Yeah 61 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 4: if if it's written well, Like how hard it is 62 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 4: to learn lines when something is like I don't see 63 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 4: how this connects to this, but this was like a 64 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 4: beautiful piece of writing and one hundred percent not me. 65 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 4: But I was like, I love this. I'm gonna I'm 66 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 4: gonna read it anyway. So I went in there and 67 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 4: I was like, guys, I get it. This is one 68 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 4: hundred percent not me, but maybe it is me. Maybe 69 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 4: it'll maybe maybe you'll change the way you think about Huck. 70 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 4: But this is a beautiful piece of writing. So I 71 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 4: did the monologue and they were like, you're right, it's 72 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 4: not you. Who was in the room, Betsy, Shanda, Linda 73 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 4: was in the room for somebody meeting with. 74 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 3: Me too. 75 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, And then I came back to read for a 76 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 4: recurring role as David Rosen. 77 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 3: Oh wow, I bet you killed that. 78 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: I could see you playing. 79 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 4: I could have played, thank you. I could have played 80 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 4: David Rosen. I mean we, Josh and I even look alike. 81 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 4: You don't. 82 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 3: You're so much hotter. And that was on purpose for 83 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 3: you to hear that. 84 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 5: Josh. 85 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 4: Keep going, yeah, Josh, you've said it yourself, Josh, So 86 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 4: we're not saying anything that you haven't said yourself. But 87 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 4: I saw Josh, and I've known Josh for a very 88 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 4: long time, and we saw each other at the audition, 89 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 4: and I went in for that one, and I think 90 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 4: even in the room, Shanda said, I'm going to write 91 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 4: something else for you, And I left and I was like, 92 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 4: you know, if I had a nickel, I didn't quite you. 93 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 3: Know, it was very nice as you're so beating down. 94 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 3: It's like until I'm on set right and even still 95 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 3: and I see it. 96 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 4: Even believe it. 97 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 5: Yeah. 98 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 4: Correct, You're on set and you're like, they're gonna fire. 99 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 3: Me any and it's getting come. 100 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 4: You shoot it and then they call saying like you're 101 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 4: being recast in there reshooting. They don't care how much 102 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 4: money it costs. They can't allow what you just did 103 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 4: to appear on television. 104 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: They cut. Sometimes they cut the scene and you're like, 105 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: my whole family, I'm on a show and I'm cut. 106 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: Is that? 107 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 3: That was my first job ever that happened to me 108 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 3: and I my whole town, including my ex boyfriend who 109 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 3: hurt my heart and I and then I got through it. 110 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, I wasn't in it, 111 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 3: and I've never been so mortified in my life and 112 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 3: never learned. 113 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: But sand Sean, so Shonda thought, I love this, homo. 114 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to write a big old gay roll for him. 115 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 4: You know, I didn't hear that part of it, but 116 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 4: clearly you speak Sean. That was going on that head 117 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 4: easily I love this homo. He wrote this book about adoption. 118 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 4: I mean, listen, not for nothing. To some degree the 119 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 4: creation of who James was going to be and who 120 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 4: he wound up as this writer who wants to adopt 121 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 4: a baby, Like a lot of me, I think went 122 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 4: into who James became. But I had no idea that 123 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 4: that was coming down the pike. And in fact, I 124 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 4: was at my office. You know, I had a production 125 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 4: company with Lisa Kudron for fifteen years. We were like 126 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 4: in this office, back and forth, and there was one 127 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 4: day we were taking all these meetings and I get 128 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 4: a text on my phone from Linda Lowe saying will 129 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 4: you play my husband's husband? And I was like, and 130 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 4: I was like, is that some kind of party game? 131 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 4: Like what what does that even mean? Will you play 132 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 4: my husband's husband? I knew I know Jeff, and I 133 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 4: knew Linda and Don and I had been in Mexico 134 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 4: with them when our daughter was a year old, Like 135 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 4: we knew each other, but will you play my husband's husband? 136 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 4: And I was like, I don't know what that means, 137 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 4: but sure? And so I got offered this part of 138 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 4: James and I did this episode that I found it 139 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 4: was in season one, and I found it so and 140 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 4: I talk about this all the time, talk about subversive 141 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 4: television making What made Scandal so unbelievably innovative in the time. 142 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 4: At the time that had happened was that Olivia Pope 143 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 4: knocks on the front door of Cyrus Bean's house, which 144 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 4: we've never seen before, and James opens the door and says, really, 145 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 4: Olivia on a Sunday, you know, the like, like the 146 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 4: audience has to catch up to the fact that existed 147 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 4: way before they started watching this show, that this man 148 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 4: lives with this man and they're a couple and they're married, 149 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 4: and Olivia knows it, and. 150 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 3: He is President's chief of staff and a Republican presidency 151 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 3: and this guy is in no way shape form what 152 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 3: you would have ever thought of, like, oh yeah. 153 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 4: Jeff Perry, Harry gets offered that part and is never 154 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 4: told that this is going to be a gay character. 155 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 4: There's never told that you're going to have a husband. 156 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 4: Le's he's just as shocked as all of us. But 157 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 4: the fact that there was no coming out episode, the 158 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 4: fact that it wasn't about telling Tony telling Fits one 159 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 4: day that he is gay, like all of it is 160 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 4: a fact, a matter of fact that the audience just 161 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 4: has to catch up is the way it should be. 162 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 4: And it was so exciting and so that was just 163 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 4: a thrill, and I thought I would just do that 164 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 4: one episode and it would be what it would be. 165 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 3: And I wound up doing you have to Kiss Jeff 166 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 3: in that episode. I'm trying to remember. 167 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 4: No, no, I just said, baby, I want a baby, 168 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 4: a fat one. That's why I said to him, I 169 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 4: want a baby, a big, fat one. So knock it 170 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 4: off with all the whatever you're doing. 171 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 3: Oh my god, you know we have to talk about like, Okay, 172 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 3: so you get it offered, but it's kind of like 173 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 3: an offer that you've auditioned for so many times in 174 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 3: a way, right, because you had read two other parts 175 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 3: and she already knew you personally, she read your book, and. 176 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 4: I was playing somebody not far from who I am, right. 177 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 3: Okay, so that's your first episode. Now tell me about 178 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 3: because we've almost had you on for this episode, but 179 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 3: we were saving you for now. But you are a 180 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 3: part of one of my favorite all time scandal scenes ever, 181 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 3: which I think you must have been so shocked to 182 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 3: know what James was going to turn into. But that 183 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 3: one act play of you and Jeff Perry taking off 184 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 3: both of your clothes and being ass naked to make 185 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 3: sure that you're not miked when he admits to you, 186 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 3: I stole the election because you know something's up. I 187 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 3: mean that what I think it's one of the best. 188 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 3: I think it's one of the best television scenes in 189 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 3: his I mean it's like a fucking play. 190 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 4: It's it was a mini in the app Yeah. 191 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 3: And it's in season It was amazing. 192 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 4: Is it in two? Oh? 193 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 3: It's in season two? 194 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 4: In season two? 195 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 3: So when do you start to realize the role that 196 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 3: James is becoming and the amount of like unbelievable gift 197 00:09:55,960 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 3: of line scenes like when are you like pan? Are 198 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 3: you excited? Are you making out with Jeff? Are you 199 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 3: liking it? He's been your friend for twenty years? 200 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 5: Like? 201 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 4: So, I had done season one and then I took 202 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 4: my friends were running Gray's Anatomy, and they said, will 203 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 4: you come and consult as a writer because I've been 204 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 4: a writer for a long time, will you consult as 205 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 4: a writer in the writer's room of Gray's Anatomy? And 206 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 4: I took a meeting with Betsy and Shonda and my 207 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 4: two friends Tony and Joan, who are still my best friends, 208 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 4: and I was like, look, this would be an amazing opportunity. 209 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 4: I'm really flattered and I would love to but I've 210 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 4: really enjoyed the three episodes I got to do on Scandal, 211 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 4: and if there's any I'm not suggesting that he's coming back, 212 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 4: but if there's any chance that James would come back 213 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 4: in season two, I wouldn't want the fact that I'm writer, 214 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 4: I'm writing in the writer's room of Grays to stop 215 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 4: me from being on Scandal. And they said, don't worry 216 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 4: about it. Well, nowhere to find you nice. In other words, 217 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 4: if you're at the writer's room at Grays, we can 218 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 4: write you onto Scandal and you can just bounce back 219 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 4: and forth, which is what I did for the next 220 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 4: two years. In the next two seasons. 221 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 3: Exhausting. 222 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 4: It was. It was exhausting and made my head spin 223 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 4: a little bit. But I say that only because in 224 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 4: season two, pretty quickly James comes back and James starts 225 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 4: to like get a writing gig again, and the adoption 226 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 4: of the baby becomes a story for them, and I 227 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 4: go visit my mom in New York. She lives in Brooklyn, 228 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 4: and I realized and we all remember this. Season two 229 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 4: is when the viewership of that show went berserk and 230 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 4: suddenly I was like people on the street were recognizing 231 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 4: me from having only done four episodes or five. In 232 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 4: season two was when it felt like, oh, this, this 233 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 4: is something that could be more or bigger or more 234 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 4: layered and more. And the truth is, season two, I 235 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 4: was so lucky to get to play a journalist, a 236 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 4: dad wanting to adopt a baby, the love of Cyrus's life. 237 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: You know, you spy as well on the show. 238 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was the end of season two that James 239 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 4: was poking the bear a little bit. Yeah, but for 240 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,319 Speaker 4: the first half of the season, it was all about parenthood. 241 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 4: It was all about like, I don't know what you're 242 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 4: doing at work, but I am happy to be a dad. 243 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 4: And then he was like, I'm getting bored and I 244 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 4: want to start writing again. And then there was a 245 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 4: lot of interesting conflict to be played with Jeff when 246 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 4: I was trying to throw my hat back in the 247 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 4: ring into the world of journalism. And you know, it 248 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 4: played out, our little piece of the show played out 249 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 4: like a very realistic, oddly but crazy marriage and. 250 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 3: It's just like you and Don right, just like you. 251 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 4: Oh, I can talk about this more later, but there's 252 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 4: so much that I found baffling about how much we 253 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 4: connected to people as like the heart, like the place 254 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 4: where the love and family and marriage existed in the show. 255 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 3: Yeah you guys, they wrote, you have such a love 256 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 3: even though he is a monster, and you just said it. 257 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 4: You said it. But the key to this show, I'm 258 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 4: telling you, Like I figured it out recently when I 259 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 4: had to rewatch these episodes for today, I was like, 260 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 4: this show is crazy. I had forgotten this is this show. 261 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: Is it's crazy. 262 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 4: It's so good. Writing is so good. 263 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 2: You can't you couldn't. 264 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 4: You know, people a say like, you can't write that shit, 265 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 4: but they did. Like every character is so complicated, and 266 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 4: you know what trumps all of the malice and evil 267 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 4: and and backstabbing and politicking and all of the torture 268 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 4: love any character that loved another character, Like it's unbelievable. 269 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 4: The fact that Cyrus loved James as much as he 270 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 4: did even though he's killed He tried to kill him 271 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 4: in the end of season two, and then James is 272 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 4: like that motherfucker, I am married to a monster and 273 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 4: I'm gonna bring him down, and then I'm like, but 274 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 4: I love him, right, but I love him. I'm gonna 275 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 4: forgive him because I love him. We have a baby 276 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 4: together and we have a family him. And he's like, Honey, 277 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 4: I love you so much. I love you. I'm like, 278 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 4: you love me so much, You're like going to I'm 279 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 4: gonna wind him dead because you love me so much. 280 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 4: But the love is unbelievable. There's a scene in the 281 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 4: episode right before three thirteen where David Rosen winds up 282 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 4: in the trunk of a car and he's calling Darby's character, 283 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 4: what's her name? 284 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 3: Abby? 285 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 4: Abby? Abby? And he's like, Abby, I didn't say it before, 286 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 4: but I'm now in the trunk of a car and 287 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 4: I don't know what's going to happen to me, but 288 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 4: I just want to tell you I love you. I 289 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 4: just want to tell you I love you. I should 290 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 4: have said it yesterday, but I'm going to just say 291 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 4: it now. And the trunk opens and you and Abby 292 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 4: are standing there too, write Gherma, were you there? Or 293 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 4: was he? I think it's I don't remember, I don't 294 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 4: remember you rescue him. I almost started crying. I literally 295 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 4: I found it so touching. I found it so touching. 296 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 4: I'm like, he's just been like almost abducted and there's 297 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 4: abby to rescue him. And it's really the love that 298 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 4: like it's crazy. 299 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 3: It's a romantic show at the end of h it's 300 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 3: so it's so you know, it's just like Liver Die 301 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 3: Like it's either it's so tweeter where it's like you 302 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 3: either want to fuck them or punch them right, It's like, 303 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 3: honey pee they ride that line all the time. How 304 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 3: is it working with Jeff, who you'd been friends with 305 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 3: forever to try to like be I mean, do you 306 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 3: think the love came out so well because you guys 307 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 3: had such a long relationship or like, yeah, I just 308 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 3: buy it, man, I bought it. 309 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 4: I love Jeff, I love Jeff beforehand. I love Jeff. 310 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 4: But I mean we had the opposite of a romantic relationship. 311 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 4: I mean, he's a straight man for his entire life 312 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 4: and I'm not. And we were friends and we had 313 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 4: to do you know, we had to go there with 314 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 4: each other in a way that was at first very awkward, 315 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 4: and yet we both just gave ourselves over to it. 316 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 4: And I trusted him with and still do to this day. 317 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 4: I trust him with my life, and we love each 318 00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 4: other so much, Like I just saw him to nights 319 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 4: ago and I was like, we just love each other. 320 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 4: We love each other like we I can't explain it. 321 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 4: We've been through something together now. That said, there was 322 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 4: the sexual nature of our relationship and the ways that 323 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 4: Shanda and those writers pushed the envelope on what you 324 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 4: can show on ABC was not easy. It was not easy, 325 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 4: I will say that, like having my head pushed data 326 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 4: frame and and I remember having an argument with Tony Goldwin, 327 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 4: who was directing an episode, and they were they wanted 328 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 4: to simulate my going down on Jeff And I was like, Tony, 329 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 4: why is it always me? Like why do I always 330 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 4: this is so? 331 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: Why the bottom? 332 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 4: Why do I have to I don't remember an episode 333 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 4: where he's blown me, so like why can we? And 334 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 4: then and I said, it just feels and I have 335 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 4: to be honest with you, like I had this total 336 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 4: window into what women must have experienced in our business 337 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 4: for like five decades. There was there was a little 338 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 4: bit of like embarrassment and my own internalized homophobia around 339 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,479 Speaker 4: the crew about the ways in which I had to 340 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 4: sort of play that role in his life because I 341 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 4: was his younger, incredibly hot husband, and yes, and Tony said, 342 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 4: and and Tony said, do you think that I haven't 343 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 4: had to throw myself. I'm a married man with two 344 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 4: with two daughters, and I had to throw myself on 345 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 4: the on the desk of the Oval office with Kerry Washington. 346 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 4: And I said, uh. 347 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: Huh yeah, all right, motherfucker. 348 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,719 Speaker 4: I was like, yes, yes, you did. You did have 349 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 4: to do that. And therefore, of course, I mean, it's 350 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 4: all for the art, and of course I love Jeff 351 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 4: and but I'm just saying, like, couldn't our relationship be 352 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 4: depicted in a more equal way? And He's like, that's 353 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 4: not the kind of relationship this is. Anyway, we had 354 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 4: that out on set and I wound up doing what 355 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 4: I had to do. 356 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 3: And it and then you've been out of frame. I'm 357 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 3: gonna I did. 358 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 4: What was on the page because I my job as 359 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 4: an actor is too is to do what's on the page. 360 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 4: We'll be right back. 361 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 3: Guys, when you did the naked scene, were you both 362 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 3: in like banana hammocks. I'm sorry, I have to know. 363 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 4: Oh my god, we were so anxious about that scene. 364 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 4: We had eleven days. I begged at at the table read. 365 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 4: I had a nervous breakdown when I read that in 366 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 4: because you know, we only read what we were gonna 367 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 4: do at the table reads. There was no prep and 368 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 4: I begged them, I said, can we schedule this scene 369 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 4: for the last day of the so I have eleven 370 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 4: days to lose thirty pounds. I mean, oh my god, 371 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,959 Speaker 4: I need eleven days to do pushups and set ups 372 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 4: so I can look like Brad Pitt by the time 373 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 4: they take off my shirt. And I starved myself for 374 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 4: eleven days, and then I realized at the end of 375 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 4: eleven days that I don't look like Brad Pitt eleven days, 376 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 4: twenty two days, or in three hundred and sixty five days, 377 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 4: I looked very much like the version of myself. And 378 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 4: Jeff's like, I'm not even gonna bother. Okay, so I'm 379 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 4: having whatever I want. I'm not even going to bother. 380 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: I remember Jeff working out, though I remember him going 381 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: to the gym and working out during that time. 382 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 4: They wanted to shoot very specifically. They wanted to make 383 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 4: sure that the only thing that blocked our nudity were 384 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 4: objects in the room lamp a lamp. So they said, 385 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 4: they said to us, you can wear a dance belt 386 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 4: or a jock strap, or a or a what do 387 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 4: they call them a so so it's called a sock, 388 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 4: a cock sock. And so we had all of them. 389 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 4: We had all of them, and so we all of 390 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 4: the time. Oh yeah, I wore a turtleneck. I tried. 391 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 4: I tried to get away with I was like talking about, 392 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 4: you know, how to get away with murder. I was 393 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 4: trying to get away with wearing. I was wearing more 394 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 4: clothes than I've ever worn in my life. And I 395 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 4: would peel it off and peel it off, and peel 396 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 4: it off and peel it off, and then we do 397 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 4: a take. And then Verica came in and he was like, 398 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 4: we see the edge of the dance spelt. And I 399 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 4: was like, so I took. 400 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: Off the dance belt and now something now dance dance spelt. 401 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 4: So gay. I was like, by the way, the minute 402 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 4: I was in a dance belt, I was like doing 403 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 4: the opening number. 404 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 3: Of dancing and choreography. 405 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 4: Thank you. And then eventually we were wearing nothing but socks. 406 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 4: And I will say in one of the takes, and 407 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 4: we did it so many times. I had to dress 408 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 4: and undress so many times and then they came off. 409 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 4: They came off. They just came off, and there we were. 410 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 3: You're just standing there acting with your dog out. 411 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 4: I was a Jeff's came off and I just trained 412 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 4: my brain. 413 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 1: On his looking that. 414 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 4: Yes, you would have that's why you're Hawk. And I'm 415 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 4: listening to James. 416 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I've had to wear a cocks out 417 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: two on the show, and I had the whole hawk 418 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: getting waterboarded thing, and then I'm naked, and but then 419 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: after a while, like you said, it just falls off, 420 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: so I remember. But it's so freaking annoying. It's just 421 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: so freaking annoyed. 422 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 3: Like just did you guys did you feel and g 423 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 3: too as you as a gay man? 424 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 4: Like what nothing? She's you mean? 425 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: Don't buck around? Stop fucking around. 426 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 3: You've played gay characters before, and Danny, I don't know 427 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 3: before Scandal how many gay characters you had played on television, 428 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 3: But did you feel like a responsibility as being a 429 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 3: part of a show that was reaching millions of viewers? 430 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 3: Like what kind of pressure did you feel, you know, 431 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 3: in portraying a gay character? Had you done it before? 432 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 3: Like how did that feel? Because I mean the show 433 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 3: broke a lot of buges. I feel like we've talked 434 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,719 Speaker 3: with Carrie a lot on this show about, like, you know, 435 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 3: her being the first black lead, you know, woman on 436 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 3: a network drama in thirty seven years, and feeling like 437 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 3: this has to succeed because if it doesn't, no one 438 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 3: else will ever get a shot, you know. So what 439 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 3: kind of pressure were you thinking like that? Or we're 440 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 3: like nope, just do your lines, do your job, Like 441 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 3: what was that? 442 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 4: Like? I was I had played gay characters before, and 443 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 4: I had done an HBO show that I helped produce 444 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 4: called The Comeback, where I was playing Alisa Kudro's characters 445 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 4: publicists and who was obviously gay, and she was like, 446 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 4: I gotta get a gay Jimmy. And you know, I 447 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 4: had played gay characters before, and I was very used 448 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 4: to playing what I used to call igh insert gay here. 449 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 4: You'd read a pilot and they'd be like the token 450 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,360 Speaker 4: gay character, and I'd read for those for a decade. 451 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 4: I have to be honest. And then of course when 452 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 4: I did Gray's Anatomy, I was playing the gay husband 453 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 4: of somebody in a hospital bed. And because it was 454 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 4: shondaland it was always handled with like complete matter of 455 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 4: fact complete respect. So it wasn't as much on my 456 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 4: mind as was the fact that something happened to me 457 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 4: when I was doing when I was on Scandal, something 458 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 4: that tied together everything that had happened in my life 459 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 4: prior I think that I had been. When I first 460 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 4: came to Hollywood, I was very closeted. I was twenty seven, 461 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 4: and I was trying to get roles, and I was 462 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 4: pretty tending to be a straight actor pretending to be 463 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 4: the character I was reading for, So there was always 464 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 4: layers in front of me of and so I wasn't 465 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 4: really working in the way that I wanted to be, 466 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 4: and no surprise, and by the time I was ten 467 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 4: years into my marriage and having a baby and writing 468 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 4: a book about it and like completely letting myself be 469 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 4: one thousand percent honest in the world and then allowed 470 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 4: to play that on television. Something came over me when 471 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 4: I got to play those scenes with Jeff that felt 472 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 4: like I can't even explain it to you. There were 473 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 4: moments where things that had happened to me as an 474 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 4: actor that had rarely happened to me before. I felt 475 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:46,959 Speaker 4: unbelievably honest and like whatever comes out of me is okay, 476 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,959 Speaker 4: and there's no self consciousness here, and I'm in a 477 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 4: real marriage, and like, this is my husband, and I 478 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 4: can be as vulnerable with him as anybody would be 479 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 4: with their husband. And I found enormous liberation in that. 480 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 4: And then the scene would come. I was so lucky 481 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 4: because even if I was in like tiny scenes, and 482 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 4: you know, I was a guest star for twenty nine episodes, 483 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 4: so I guess did on all those scenes, but they 484 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 4: always wrote me something that felt honest for who I was. 485 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 4: So as time went on, I felt like, Oh, this 486 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 4: is an unbelievable opportunity to just be one hundred percent 487 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 4: this guy who happens to be gay but he's also 488 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 4: a million other things. And I thought that was very 489 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 4: modern for that day. We hadn't really seen that before 490 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 4: on TV. 491 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, but think about also, like the millions of people 492 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: that were watching the show who were you know, homophobic 493 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: or in closet or whatever, and are seeing it portrayed 494 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 1: in this beautiful, like matter of fact way, Like how 495 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: freeing for those people, and how you know, how wonderful 496 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: for them to see us just as a regular person, 497 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: because unfortunately, you know, a lot of freaking dumbasses out 498 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 1: there don't see it that way. But yeah, so that 499 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: even the pilot, you guys remember the pilot, the lead 500 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 1: guest star was a gay character. Oh. It was so 501 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: beautiful and he comes out, you know sort of he's 502 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: just you know, by the end of the episode, he's 503 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: I'm a gay man, and it's just it was I 504 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 1: remember reading that and just being like so moved and 505 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: so happy that you know that that the show was 506 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 1: going to be that type of show, that that's how 507 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: you know they were going to portray gay characters. 508 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was because on TV for a long time, 509 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 4: the only description of a character who was gay was 510 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 4: that they were gay. In other words, you know, write 511 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 4: a scene and then describe the character by their age 512 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 4: and the fact that they're gay, you know what the 513 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 4: gays are like. 514 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to say. The other thing about 515 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 3: it is that like the they to see Cyrus and 516 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 3: James Novak, like neither of them are like you know 517 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 3: what I grew up with thinking, you know, in my town, 518 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 3: like a gay guy's like a musical theater gig, right, 519 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 3: like like you know, like we're going together to get 520 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 3: our nails done and then we're singing rent or like whatever, 521 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 3: which is like all also wonderful, but to just see 522 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 3: like Cyrus being and James who's a guy, and then 523 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 3: Cyrus who's mean and like really scary and like not 524 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,959 Speaker 3: femi at all, if that's even the terms. Just see 525 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 3: like you know, not that type of gay eye, right. 526 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 4: It can look like this. And I'll tell you something 527 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 4: what started to happen that was blew my mind to 528 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 4: this day. And Guermo, I mean, no, Hawk was not 529 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 4: a gay character. But I'm telling you that what really 530 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 4: blew my mind is that the audience for Scandal, you 531 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 4: all know what I mean, is like it crossed so 532 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 4: many demographics. The black audience that came to supported us 533 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 4: in the millions, and the black women who for whatever 534 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 4: reason related to James and my love for that baby Ella. 535 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 4: I believe that something happened. Something happened because I there 536 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 4: was suddenly a moment where in the public and the 537 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 4: and the numbers of people, women and men. But but 538 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 4: how many people from from that particular community that that 539 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 4: had such an enormous love and understanding for James. And 540 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 4: I was like, God, I wonder like this is I mean, 541 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,360 Speaker 4: some of them are are in Southern communities and are 542 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 4: come from religious backgrounds to where and I think that 543 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 4: it normalized what the love that a man can have 544 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 4: for their baby, regardless of their gender, regardless of their sexuality, 545 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 4: regardless of their race, that crossed all these boundaries, because 546 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 4: I'm telling you, my particular fan base was like all 547 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 4: of these women, tons and tons and tons of black women, 548 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 4: And to this day, like I that's the number one 549 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 4: demo that stops me in the street and we get 550 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 4: into conversations and we talk about the show, and they're like, 551 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,719 Speaker 4: oh my god, you and that baby, and you know, 552 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 4: like we have we had like a kinship and to 553 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 4: be able to let parenthood and love and marriage be 554 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 4: the things that connect us rather than our race or 555 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 4: sexuality solely, I think it was a huge gift that 556 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 4: I did not predict. I did not predict that, and 557 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 4: and then I thought like, oh, I have a responsibility 558 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 4: to just be like a loving parent who and by 559 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 4: the way, at the end of the day, I think 560 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,959 Speaker 4: the only character up until season four who was not 561 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 4: a murderer somewhere in their soul, which. 562 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 3: James, yeah, you were like the only moral compass like 563 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 3: literally on the never I mean. 564 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 4: Willing to throw my husband under the bus one hundred 565 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 4: percent because he was a criminal, but not willing to 566 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 4: kill him. I wasn't. There was no scenes of James 567 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 4: trying to kill Cyrus, although I should have. 568 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 3: We will be back with more after the break. I 569 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 3: want to talk to you guys. We're going to break 570 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 3: down this episode really quickly, and then I want to 571 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 3: talk about so what we're talking about Today's episode three thirteen, 572 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 3: which was entitled No Sun on Their Horizon and aired 573 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 3: on March thirteenth and twenty fourteen, and it. 574 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: Was written by Matt Byrne and directed by Randy zisk And. 575 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 3: It was guest starring John Tenny as Andrew Nichols, Brian 576 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 3: Lesher as Tom Larson, paul Aiedelstein Is, Leo Bergen. 577 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: Laurence Stamil as Carlos Steele, Jennifer Payo as Vanessa Chandler, 578 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: and Juliet Cho as Shelby Moss. 579 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 3: Do you have us in front of you? Dan? 580 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 4: Do I have what? 581 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 3: Do you have a synopsis? 582 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 4: If you do have it in front of me? 583 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 3: Do you want to try reading your best scandal thinks? 584 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 3: Or am I throwing you under the bus right now? 585 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 4: I'll give it a try. 586 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 3: See if you can do it and don't worry. People 587 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 3: do really bad, so don't don't worry, and. 588 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,479 Speaker 1: By people me and Katie gets terrible most of the time. 589 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 4: Oh my god. Okay, ready. When Olivia learns the truth 590 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 4: about David Douglas's death, it sends her, David Rosen, and 591 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 4: Jake Ballard into a tailspin trying to figure out what 592 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 4: you do and to make matters worse. Sally Langston finally 593 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 4: realizes that she must confess the truth on national TV 594 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 4: during the presidential debate. Everything comes to a head when 595 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 4: Olivia barely convinces Fish to throw the debate in order 596 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 4: to prevent Sally from being killed. But then the loose 597 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 4: sands are tied up when Jake pulls a gun on 598 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 4: James and David Rosen. 599 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 6: Amazing, mom, so good, you are warmed. 600 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 3: Up and ready to shoot my friends. 601 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 6: So good. 602 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 3: That was so good. Okay, crazily enough, Like I mean, 603 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 3: this episode is insane, Like Dan and g Any favorite 604 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 3: highlight moments of people's acting, What were your favorite school 605 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 3: of Kerrie Washington, greatest actors in the world, who had there, 606 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 3: who won the scenes? 607 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 6: I mean, listen for me. 608 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: That the one of the opening scenes with Sally Langston 609 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: with that crazy speech of hers where she says yum yum, 610 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: crispy piggy yum yum. I mean that was, oh my god, 611 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: I mean that was out of this world so good, 612 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: so unhinged. 613 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 4: Kate Burton in this episode is so crazy good because 614 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 4: she's I mean, her character was so crazy anyway, but 615 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 4: she's in a presidential debate and she's this this unbelievably 616 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 4: religious born again woman who by the way, has the letter. 617 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 4: There's so many there's so many things going on. 618 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 3: She's unbelievable. And in this scene she's like obviously been 619 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 3: like touched by the devil or whatever because she murdered 620 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 3: this guy and she's totally unhinged, and Leo Bergen paid 621 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 3: to on a private jet put her pastor to try 622 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 3: to like, you know, exercise the demons that have sort 623 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 3: of taken her. And then she decides. The whole episode 624 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 3: is like she's deciding, She's like, I have to confess 625 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 3: the American people that I'm a murderer because I've stopped 626 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 3: hearing him, I've stopped hearing God. And if I don't 627 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 3: confess and we're able to, but guess what if she 628 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 3: convinces then everyone will know that Cyrus being covered it 629 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 3: up and he's responsible and blah blah blah. 630 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 4: They have to stop her from doing that at all costs, 631 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 4: including the moment in this episode where Jeff as Cyrus 632 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 4: is like he is willing to He's gonna plug that 633 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 4: hole no matter what. He's like, we got to kill 634 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 4: someone's got to kill Sally Langson because she's she's gonna 635 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 4: do this. But I'll tell you something. Carrie's acting when 636 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 4: she comes into in the beginning of the episode, Carrie's 637 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 4: acting when she finds out when she finds out the 638 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 4: truth that her entire team has covered up the death 639 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 4: of Daniel Douglas, and Carrie walks into that room with 640 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 4: with with with with Cyrus, and she's like trying to 641 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 4: see if he was if it's true, and within one 642 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 4: line she knows it's true, and she starts laughing. 643 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 3: She starts laughing, unhinged, crazy, maniacal. 644 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 4: It's so good. She's like laughing, and then she's like, 645 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 4: I can't, I can't. I just want to walk back 646 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 4: into the light. What has happened we have all turned into. 647 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 4: This is not what I set out to do. It's 648 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 4: like there's this moment from her that's so honest. She's 649 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 4: laughing and then she's crying. It's really. 650 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: Carry's pregnant here, right, She's pregnant in this episode. 651 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, Jeff Perry has an amazing scene. 652 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, he has the monologue to Jake about how the 653 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 3: American people can't find out about Daniel Douglas. Like he's 654 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 3: making it like it doesn't even matter that I would 655 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 3: go to jail for the Daniels and that the people 656 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 3: of America can't know how fucked up the leadership is 657 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 3: because they will lose their faith in America. 658 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 2: Like it's a great speech, it's a it's a beautifully 659 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 2: written speech where he's like he the American people, the 660 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 2: fabric of our country, who believe in the leaders that 661 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 2: they voted for, cannot be. 662 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 4: Told that we all murders. We are murder And he 663 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 4: says like that murder, he's a rook DERs. 664 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 3: I'm like, Jeff Perry, you actor unbelievable. 665 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: But Jake, Jake Ballard also has a monologue at the 666 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: top of the show which is so great where he's 667 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: talking about sort of well. 668 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 6: It's just and it's shot so beautifully too. 669 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 4: This is the thing about this show. They humanize the 670 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 4: demons all the time. They humanize the torturers, every single 671 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 4: one of us, from Huck to Quinn to Jake Ballard, 672 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 4: They're all like underneath it, all these human beings that 673 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 4: have somewhere inside them the ability to love and his 674 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 4: longing for family, which he does not have. Is this 675 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 4: opening monologue, He's like, so this becomes my family, and 676 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 4: this this becomes my purpose. And it's like this is cuckoo. 677 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 4: It's all cuckoo, but it's what makes me love all 678 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 4: the characters. 679 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 3: I mean I personally we always talk about how Quinn 680 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 3: Huck did and if we loved or hated our acting. 681 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 3: I think Quinn nailed this episode. 682 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 4: She did. 683 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 3: Anytime Quinn is a receptionist, I'm like, wow, why am 684 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 3: I good at this? And so so many other things. 685 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 3: But for some reason, when there's a headset and she's like, hi, 686 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,760 Speaker 3: acne paper unlimited, I'm like, I got you, Like I 687 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 3: did a good job, and I kind of feel like 688 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 3: I actually remember being really intimidated because Scott Foley had 689 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 3: been added to the show this season, but I personally 690 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 3: hadn't had any like one on one scenes with him, 691 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 3: and when I watched this episode, I had like PTSD 692 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 3: coming up because I was like, it was my first 693 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 3: time ever getting like we're just me and Scott were 694 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 3: on set and like me and Scott alone, our chairs 695 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:58,839 Speaker 3: were next to each other, and me and Scott had 696 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 3: these couple handful of these actme limited scenes to do, 697 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 3: and I got to act with him, and I remember 698 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 3: being like a little nervous because, yeah, because he's so cute, 699 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 3: and I watched every episode of City, so I was like, 700 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,720 Speaker 3: oh my god, I better act so good. So maybe 701 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 3: that's why I wasn't total shit. 702 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 4: And I really not in this episode, but in the 703 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 4: one right after kiss Kiss, Bang Bang, Scott and. 704 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,359 Speaker 3: I we have to talk about that. Can we fuck 705 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 3: the rest of this episode? Is there anything else in 706 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 3: the episode we need to touch on? 707 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,359 Speaker 4: I will say I love the scene where James is 708 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,359 Speaker 4: at the house and Cyrus comes and he now knows 709 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 4: that James was Publius and James is like, broke our family, 710 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 4: broke our family, and he said I know, I know, 711 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 4: and he goes, I just want to tell you something. 712 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 4: I love you. I love you so much. I love 713 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 4: you so much, and it's like all James needs to hear, 714 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 4: and that's. 715 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 3: For you guys, if you don't remember Cyrus. Leo Bergen 716 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 3: walks into Cyrus's office and he's like, I can't wait 717 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 3: till Sally wins, and this is good. Be my fucking office, bitch, 718 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 3: and then Cyrus is like, and then Leo's like, first 719 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 3: thing I'm gonna do is get rid of that buzzing sound. 720 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 3: And Cyrus is like, what buzzing sound? And then we 721 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 3: realize there is a buzzing sound. And Cyrus opens up 722 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 3: the family picture frame of James and Ella on his 723 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 3: desk and opens up the picture frame and there was 724 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,280 Speaker 3: a mic and he had been recorded, and he knew 725 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 3: it was James that did it, and he goes home, 726 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 3: tells him he knows he's Publius. James is crying, you 727 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 3: broke us, you broke our family. And then Cyrus says, 728 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 3: I just love you. I love you so much. 729 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 4: I love you so much. And then James goes right 730 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,360 Speaker 4: to go meet David Rosen and says, listen, all bets 731 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 4: are off. My husband told me he loved me. And 732 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 4: as it turns out, that's all I really need. I go. 733 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 4: I really I wrote down what I said. I said. 734 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 4: I know I need to. I know I shouldn't forgive him. 735 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,800 Speaker 4: I have no business forgiving him, but I love him. 736 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 4: So it's I'm sorry that you called. I'm sorry that 737 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 4: you called this meeting, but I'm gonna have to just bail. 738 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 4: And he's like, I didn't call this. Zoom zoom, zoom, 739 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 4: And then there's this moment bang guns. 740 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,800 Speaker 3: And then it's too late, and then you both realize, 741 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 3: oh my god, we both didn't call this meeting. Fucking 742 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 3: Jake Ballard did And at the exact moment, two bullets 743 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 3: go ripping past the two of you and murder the 744 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 3: two reporters that you were meeting to sell the info to. 745 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 3: And the episode ends with the gun on you, and 746 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 3: we don't know. 747 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 4: Who I know, yes, except that the gun no no 748 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 4: is The episode ends over black with one last shot, 749 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,840 Speaker 4: so you do know that at least David or James 750 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 4: has been shot. And when we read that in the 751 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 4: table read, it was the most shocking thing anybody had 752 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 4: ever I mean we were like, what and then and 753 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 4: then Josh. 754 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 3: And did you know at this point. 755 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 4: No, no, I had no idea that was coming down 756 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 4: the pike. I had no idea. And Josh starts screaming, 757 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 4: you gotta kill James. He already won an Emmy and 758 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 4: I and I'm like, that has nothing to do with it. 759 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 4: Oh shit, Yeah, I'd already won, So which is you 760 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 4: know you should? If I hadn't, I would still be 761 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 4: hond Would you give me emmy back? 762 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 6: If they would have kept you on the show for 763 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 6: all eight seeds? 764 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 4: Yes, I get asked all the time. I'll be honest 765 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 4: with you. I'm not. I'm not ungrateful, by the way. 766 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 4: I'm not ungrateful. I'm very happy to have been honored. 767 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 4: But I got to tell you something. If if the 768 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,399 Speaker 4: exchange would have been to stay on for another three 769 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,879 Speaker 4: or four seasons and not have won, I would have 770 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,279 Speaker 4: happily done that. I would have happily done that. Ugh. 771 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't act for trophies, you guys. 772 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 3: I do, and I've never got anither. 773 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,959 Speaker 4: But when you get them when you're not expecting them, 774 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 4: well you're not expecting one. I had a nervous breakdown 775 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,959 Speaker 4: that day. I mean, that was a crazy, crazy day 776 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 4: at the table read where the gun goes off and 777 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,400 Speaker 4: we don't know whether it's Josh or me. The entire 778 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 4: shooting of that episode which is three thirteen, the one 779 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,720 Speaker 4: we're talking about right now. While we were shooting three thirteen, 780 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 4: I did not yet know which one of us in 781 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 4: three fourteen was gonna was gonna die. And so I 782 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,840 Speaker 4: called Shanda and I was like, listen, I beg of 783 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 4: you as soon as you know, will you please let 784 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,360 Speaker 4: us know? And they're like, yeah, we're just now listen. 785 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 4: In hindsight, I can't imagine that that room did not 786 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,839 Speaker 4: know that this is where this was headed. But I 787 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 4: remember getting a phone call in January of twenty fourteen. 788 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 4: I'll never forget it. I pulled off the side of 789 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,359 Speaker 4: the road. I was in my car, so I get 790 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 4: a phone call. You know, Dan, can you hold for Shonda? 791 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,880 Speaker 4: And I was like, oh my god. My hands started shaking. 792 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 4: I pull off the side of the road and Shawonda's like, Danny, 793 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 4: we couldn't think of any other way around it, but 794 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 4: it's you. And I was like, oh my god, oh 795 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 4: my god. I said listen, but Shanda, can I ask 796 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:37,720 Speaker 4: you a question? 797 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 6: You already? 798 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,719 Speaker 4: I mean, they hadn't readen the episode yet. They I 799 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 4: was pitching. I was pitching, I go, does do you 800 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 4: have to see James's body? Actually in the episode, I go, 801 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,839 Speaker 4: I mean, if the gun goes off, is there any 802 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,359 Speaker 4: way that James just disappears into the night. And then 803 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 4: you know, in season five he appears like a like 804 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,520 Speaker 4: living as a caveman somewhere in some log cabin in 805 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,400 Speaker 4: the woods, like that would happen in Scandal, like they 806 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,640 Speaker 4: could never find the body of James Novak. And then 807 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 4: I'll have me back in season five and she's like, no, 808 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 4: but we're gonna write an incredible episode and I will 809 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 4: let you read it before the next table read, which 810 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 4: they did, and I wept like a baby. 811 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,879 Speaker 3: And this is the episode that's the flashback of you 812 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,279 Speaker 3: and Cyrus falling. 813 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 6: In love, and yes, so great. 814 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,440 Speaker 4: Yes, I couldn't have asked for a better To be 815 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:26,880 Speaker 4: honest with you, I could not have asked for a 816 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,280 Speaker 4: better send off. It was traumatic to act, because lying 817 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,919 Speaker 4: there and breathing your last breath with cameras rolling and 818 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 4: Scott Foley there, that was really traumatic. But but all 819 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,360 Speaker 4: the little flashbacks that we got to act, which was 820 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 4: like a play in and of itself, which was the 821 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 4: whole history of the relationship of James and and and Cyrus, 822 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 4: was beautifully written. It was it was just great. 823 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,160 Speaker 1: Love and courting each other two game and courting each 824 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 1: other on it was freaking ABC on a national television show. 825 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 6: How freaking amazing is that I know? 826 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 4: And how awkward Cyrus was, and how unprepared Cyrus was, 827 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:07,760 Speaker 4: and how he was neck beard to the next beard 828 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 4: on his neck. And let me tell you something, the 829 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:15,399 Speaker 4: acting that Jeff Perry does in episode three fourteen. If 830 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,279 Speaker 4: you think about the range that that man had to 831 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,320 Speaker 4: act in three fourteen, I just want you to wrap 832 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:25,480 Speaker 4: your brain around him, not only playing the beginning flirtations 833 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 4: flashbacks with James within that episode, but then in denial 834 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,279 Speaker 4: about the fact that his husband is dead and on 835 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 4: a work mode and completely maniacal, and then his absolute 836 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:41,520 Speaker 4: collapse in front of the press corps. It was, it 837 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 4: was to me one of the best range. Like Jeff 838 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,680 Speaker 4: Perry is a god. For what he had to do 839 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 4: in three fourteen, it's unbelievable. I'm in such awe of him. 840 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,360 Speaker 3: Now take us through the night of the death scene. 841 00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,239 Speaker 3: We don't have to go in long because I know 842 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 3: it's probably very triggering, no pun intended. What when you 843 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,600 Speaker 3: say it was so magical? We've had you know, Jeff, 844 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,000 Speaker 3: I know showed up. You had to go through this 845 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:11,640 Speaker 3: thing with Scott. 846 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:11,960 Speaker 5: Fully. 847 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:16,080 Speaker 3: The death was so long and drawn out and awful, 848 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 3: like watching someone take their last breaths home saying I 849 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,280 Speaker 3: know it's painful, I know it's. 850 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 6: Horrible, but I'm sorry. 851 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,719 Speaker 3: The only way it's going to look like yeah that yeah, 852 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:25,400 Speaker 3: what tell me? 853 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 4: Tell me hor They kept putting. They had to continuously 854 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,520 Speaker 4: put these packs of fake blood into my mouth so 855 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 4: that I would gurgle and gasp. It was not easy, 856 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 4: and I remember when I uttered the words ella to him, 857 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,799 Speaker 4: I whispered the words la to him. I could not 858 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,759 Speaker 4: stop crying, and so there was so much liquid on 859 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 4: my face. I was like I was I was teared up. 860 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 4: And Scott, who by the way, was like, I mean 861 00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,239 Speaker 4: he was traumatized by having to play that guy. I mean, 862 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,480 Speaker 4: if you think that he didn't want to do it, No, 863 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,880 Speaker 4: we were all from the table read on. It was 864 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,400 Speaker 4: like really dramatic that that was going to have to happen. 865 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,719 Speaker 4: And it was one o'clock in the morning in Hollywood 866 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,160 Speaker 4: on the sidewalk. It was starting to rain. It was late, 867 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,759 Speaker 4: and we were doing that scene over and over and 868 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,920 Speaker 4: over again, and I had to like get the and 869 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,200 Speaker 4: and Paul mccrane was the director and he had been 870 00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,600 Speaker 4: on Er and I love Paul. He was he was 871 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,560 Speaker 4: a doll and he was really telling me medically how 872 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 4: I was supposed to get through this final gasps of 873 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,759 Speaker 4: breath before I died, and so I had to play 874 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,600 Speaker 4: that out and I did, and then we wrapped and 875 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 4: they wheeled out a huge cake for me. And I'm 876 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,560 Speaker 4: gluten free and Celia, so I couldn't add a little bit. 877 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,680 Speaker 6: But anyway, was it red velvet? Was it red velvet? 878 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,520 Speaker 4: I couldn't have any of it, but there's photographs of 879 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,760 Speaker 4: me covered in fake blood in front of a big cake, 880 00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,799 Speaker 4: and Jeffy came and Linda came, and it was very 881 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,799 Speaker 4: respectful and lovely, and honestly, I could not have asked 882 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,440 Speaker 4: for a better send off. I will say that the 883 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,920 Speaker 4: next morning, I was due to be on Access Hollywood 884 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,759 Speaker 4: to promote an earlier episode, and I had so much 885 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,560 Speaker 4: blood in my fingernails that I sat in my interview 886 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:18,359 Speaker 4: chair talking to Kit and What's in Billy Bush with 887 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,120 Speaker 4: my fingers curled up in my hands. 888 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,239 Speaker 3: Like you can't get off and it's been all day. 889 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,320 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you have to like it's so bad. Dyes 890 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,239 Speaker 3: your skin. It like dies your skin. 891 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,080 Speaker 4: I had. I had red, like I put makeup on 892 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,799 Speaker 4: and I was covering my the bloody finger stumps. And 893 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 4: then I had to do Ellen. And when I did 894 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:40,080 Speaker 4: Ellen again, we had already shot my death episode, but 895 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,839 Speaker 4: what had aired so far was just James poking air. 896 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 4: And Ellen was like, I don't this doesn't smell good 897 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,440 Speaker 4: for James. That's all I can tell you. Is like, 898 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:49,920 Speaker 4: I don't know what you're doing, but I don't think 899 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 4: it's going to end well for you. And I was like, well, 900 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,120 Speaker 4: I don't know. You never know. Oh god, it was 901 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,480 Speaker 4: awkward to It was awkward for three months to do 902 00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,799 Speaker 4: press and and and I did a lot of it 903 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,719 Speaker 4: and I was, you know, I couldn't talk about what 904 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,120 Speaker 4: was coming, but it. 905 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:10,880 Speaker 3: Was very so proud, you know, like of the work 906 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,960 Speaker 3: you did and the character you created and the relationship 907 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,000 Speaker 3: you got to be part of on television and like 908 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:19,600 Speaker 3: it's so. 909 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:21,480 Speaker 5: It was. 910 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:23,720 Speaker 4: Forgound. 911 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,960 Speaker 6: Character's ever going to forget him. 912 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,319 Speaker 4: Right, Listen. It changed my career. I made friends with 913 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,520 Speaker 4: people that I will never not be friends with. And 914 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,879 Speaker 4: by the way, the two of you, like I could 915 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,839 Speaker 4: not love two people more in my life, and we've 916 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:41,120 Speaker 4: never we never had one scene so true behind episodes. 917 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,600 Speaker 4: There wasn't even a moment of even a fantasy episode 918 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,960 Speaker 4: that we were in together. It was crazy. I did 919 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,080 Speaker 4: scenes with Mellie, and I did scenes with Tony Goldwyn 920 00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:58,359 Speaker 4: and everybody and David Rosen, but nobody in nobody did we. 921 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,000 Speaker 3: Were we the group that went to the White House 922 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:04,600 Speaker 3: Correspondent dinner together? Yes, yes we were the group because 923 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,439 Speaker 3: I have a real memory of us. 924 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:15,920 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes you can have the memory of Dane. 925 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:19,280 Speaker 3: Our fancies, Ritz Georgetown Hotel suite. We're on a political show, 926 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,000 Speaker 3: which basically means you're a beatle. 927 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,319 Speaker 4: You know, we were there with Danny was. 928 00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,919 Speaker 3: Getting a pedicure by someone else. We were with, I mean, 929 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,120 Speaker 3: we were like having I mean, it was just you 930 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:36,960 Speaker 3: were there for such like the highest of high years 931 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,160 Speaker 3: of scandal. I feel like, I mean, I just feel 932 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:43,080 Speaker 3: like we were all on this major ride together and 933 00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,759 Speaker 3: I I mean, and. 934 00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,560 Speaker 4: I couldn't it will never be like I mean, like everything, 935 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,560 Speaker 4: I mean, it was exactly what it was. It was spectacular, 936 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:57,040 Speaker 4: The work was the people were amazing, the experience was great, 937 00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,279 Speaker 4: and and uh, you know, it was a game change 938 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,239 Speaker 4: up for me and I and I had I will 939 00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,680 Speaker 4: never forget it. And I'm very proud of the character 940 00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,640 Speaker 4: I got to play. I'm proud of pushing myself to 941 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,440 Speaker 4: do things I never thought I could do in television, 942 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:14,680 Speaker 4: and and the relationships I made. You know, it can't 943 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,600 Speaker 4: be repeated. So every time we all get other jobs, 944 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,600 Speaker 4: it's not the sandwich chase that it will be the same. 945 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,360 Speaker 3: Never had such a thing, my god. 946 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,200 Speaker 1: And I feel like we all walked away from the 947 00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,479 Speaker 1: show with those same things, right, just discovering so many 948 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,000 Speaker 1: amazing things that we were able to do on the show. 949 00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:36,120 Speaker 1: I never I've never done so many freaking crazy like 950 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,560 Speaker 1: they asked to do so many crazy things on a show, 951 00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,160 Speaker 1: and and just met so many amazing people. It was just, yeah, 952 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,200 Speaker 1: it's it was an experience that will never be able 953 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,280 Speaker 1: to recreate, right, No, I mean it's yeah. 954 00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,000 Speaker 4: As a writer, I'll be honest, Like, at the moment, 955 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,359 Speaker 4: I was so sad, I was so sad, like like, 956 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,719 Speaker 4: it was so traumatic. It took a very long time 957 00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,760 Speaker 4: for me to get over having to leave this family. 958 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,319 Speaker 4: That's really what was the most heart wrenching thing for me. 959 00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,279 Speaker 4: But when I had some distance from it. It was like, 960 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,640 Speaker 4: what a smart move. It was so like it shocked 961 00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:14,520 Speaker 4: the view. It was exactly the right thing to do. 962 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,920 Speaker 4: I mean, they almost killed James in season two and 963 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,440 Speaker 4: then and then in a way, I was sort of 964 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,680 Speaker 4: playing out a very similar narrative and the next unless 965 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,080 Speaker 4: James was gonna wind up with a story of his 966 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,759 Speaker 4: own and become a character with a separate storyline. I 967 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,359 Speaker 4: was no longer in service to Cyrus in a way 968 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,719 Speaker 4: that was that was fresh. So killing James was an 969 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:39,040 Speaker 4: incredibly smart, bold move for TV. And you know, I 970 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,920 Speaker 4: kind of respect it now. I hated it, but I 971 00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:42,560 Speaker 4: respect it. 972 00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,240 Speaker 3: It's such a bit now I feel like people do it. 973 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,719 Speaker 3: But at the time, yeah, we all felt like we 974 00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,120 Speaker 3: were so safe. So it was like, oh shit, like 975 00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:54,640 Speaker 3: anyone could go it at a time. Yeah, let's see 976 00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:59,120 Speaker 3: what we do that some tweets of the time, which Danny, 977 00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,640 Speaker 3: you joined Twitter at this time, and I wonder what 978 00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:08,719 Speaker 3: the gladiators thought of this episode at VALIDESK ninety three 979 00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,319 Speaker 3: on March fourteen, twenty fourteen, tweeted, I think I know 980 00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:15,480 Speaker 3: hashtag who got shot. Maybe he says when he when 981 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,799 Speaker 3: he says I love you to him, that's when he 982 00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:23,600 Speaker 3: does terrible things hashtag scandal that Valentina sort of sniffed 983 00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:23,960 Speaker 3: it out. 984 00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:25,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, this chick at. 985 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:29,160 Speaker 1: Katie Kompass tweeted, who else has to rewind Scott Foley's 986 00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:34,200 Speaker 1: Scandal scenes because of his distractingly huge eyeballs. It's like 987 00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,160 Speaker 1: two tennis balls aiming a gun. 988 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:42,080 Speaker 3: I can't, I cannot girls see talk tweeted, Olivia started 989 00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,480 Speaker 3: to make me mad. I wanted her to pick Jake. 990 00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,440 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, because this episode, of course, we were in 991 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,240 Speaker 3: a love triangle as per usual. 992 00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:55,680 Speaker 1: Let's see Nikki with a tick. Nike with a tick tweeted. 993 00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,319 Speaker 1: If I had a pound for every time a member 994 00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,359 Speaker 1: of B six thirteen mentioned B six thirteen, I could 995 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,480 Speaker 1: buy BE six thirteen. Only Eli denies its existence the 996 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,640 Speaker 1: rest amateurs okay, I mean. 997 00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,440 Speaker 3: And then we've got, of course, a picture at Nancy 998 00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,240 Speaker 3: Drew Gall tweeted, I think Olivia Pope needs this wine glass? 999 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:14,879 Speaker 3: What do you think? And it's a picture of an 1000 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:21,520 Speaker 3: entire bottle because Olivia be drinking a lot of one. 1001 00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:27,760 Speaker 3: I mean, what your Twitter experience, Dan? Were people so upset? 1002 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,600 Speaker 3: When you do you remember people being people being mean 1003 00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,640 Speaker 3: to you on Twitter? People loving you on Twitter, people 1004 00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,160 Speaker 3: being mad that you died. What was your Twitter fan 1005 00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:36,080 Speaker 3: base reaction? 1006 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,759 Speaker 4: People were devastated that James was dead. Absolutely absolutely, and 1007 00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,560 Speaker 4: my I had a very positive for the most part 1008 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,560 Speaker 4: Twitter experience. A couple of people made fun of me 1009 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,920 Speaker 4: because James was always crying, and that, you know, the 1010 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,200 Speaker 4: truth is I often, I often got choked up in 1011 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,279 Speaker 4: these scenes with Jeff, even when it wasn't called for, 1012 00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,640 Speaker 4: and so my my chin quivers when I get emotional, 1013 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,120 Speaker 4: and so I got I got a lot of shit 1014 00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,040 Speaker 4: for that. But people loved James and and he was 1015 00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,040 Speaker 4: beloved and on Twitter, I got a lot of love 1016 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:12,240 Speaker 4: and people were devastated when he died, and uh yeah, 1017 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,719 Speaker 4: it was uh it was. It was a thing. It 1018 00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,799 Speaker 4: was a thing, but I was very grateful for it. 1019 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:17,759 Speaker 6: You're the best, and. 1020 00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,600 Speaker 3: We love you so much in our hearts. 1021 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,600 Speaker 6: I love you, we love you man, Thank you so much. 1022 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,440 Speaker 3: Danny Bugatinski, thanks so much. We love you, we love you, 1023 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,760 Speaker 3: we love you. And now let's hear from Scott fully 1024 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:35,800 Speaker 3: again before we wrap this thing up. In three thirteen, 1025 00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,000 Speaker 3: did Sean ever say to you, you're going to be command. 1026 00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:39,480 Speaker 3: This is going to be You're going to be running 1027 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:39,920 Speaker 3: the country. 1028 00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,560 Speaker 5: No, No, I don't think Sean had told you anything 1029 00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,840 Speaker 5: before a table read. Now you learn everything in the 1030 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,680 Speaker 5: table read unless you're getting killed off. That was it, 1031 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,520 Speaker 5: and I didn't. I'm not sure even now that it 1032 00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:55,560 Speaker 5: was like, oh, it was a huge deal. It was 1033 00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,719 Speaker 5: just I don't know part of the storyline. Yeah, you know. 1034 00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,120 Speaker 3: Do you remember when you got that scripted? Do you 1035 00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,399 Speaker 3: remember you had that monologue and you were looking forward 1036 00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,080 Speaker 3: to all about history and hope? 1037 00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:10,520 Speaker 5: Yes, I had to deliver that. I had no idea, 1038 00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:11,640 Speaker 5: absolutely no idea. 1039 00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,360 Speaker 3: We knew nothing on this show. 1040 00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,960 Speaker 5: I mean insane you as What we do is I 1041 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,480 Speaker 5: will sit down before I play any character and I 1042 00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,120 Speaker 5: will write out this is so basic. I will write 1043 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,200 Speaker 5: out a list of questions, Right, who is he? What's 1044 00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,160 Speaker 5: his relationship with his parents, his relationship with God? What 1045 00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,200 Speaker 5: kind of cologne does he wear? Is he a front 1046 00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,560 Speaker 5: to back wiper or back to front? All the stupid shit. 1047 00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,520 Speaker 3: The shit you really need to know to play someone. 1048 00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,400 Speaker 5: None of what I had laid out. And you have 1049 00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,040 Speaker 5: to make those choices, right, you have to have that 1050 00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,200 Speaker 5: in your head. You can so you can play any characters, 1051 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,680 Speaker 5: so you can make those choices. But no, nothing It 1052 00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,640 Speaker 5: almost never lines up. I don't think Oh, his parents 1053 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:52,720 Speaker 5: were loving Muslims and they grew up on a sailboat 1054 00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,000 Speaker 5: like that never lines up with what the Ritters do 1055 00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:56,440 Speaker 5: because these are different people. 1056 00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,600 Speaker 1: It just doesn't happen, right, Yo, Do you remember was 1057 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,640 Speaker 1: Carrie pregnant during that episode? 1058 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:02,719 Speaker 3: I think she was. 1059 00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:04,719 Speaker 6: I think she was because she's wearing a big old 1060 00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,080 Speaker 6: coat and a lot of those scenes. 1061 00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think she was pregnant. And not long after 1062 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,920 Speaker 5: she and I have a pretty intense love scene. 1063 00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,839 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it goes like this. She says, take advantage 1064 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,840 Speaker 3: of me Jake, which is hot as fuck. I think 1065 00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,319 Speaker 3: in this episode three thirteen, you come in, she comes in, 1066 00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,319 Speaker 3: She's like, I just want to pretend we're normal. I 1067 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,160 Speaker 3: don't want to talk about that we're killers and all. 1068 00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:27,520 Speaker 4: This kind of thing. 1069 00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,720 Speaker 3: You're like, right, yeah, I worked at Jake's apartment. 1070 00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,040 Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I worked. 1071 00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,040 Speaker 3: At ACME Limited. Today. I sold paper, I sold two reasons. 1072 00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,200 Speaker 6: And you will drink this whole bottle of wine by myself. 1073 00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're just going to make pretend all day. And 1074 00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,040 Speaker 3: then you're like, no, I don't want you to get 1075 00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:42,560 Speaker 3: too drunk that I take advantage of you and then 1076 00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,560 Speaker 3: she like switches in her head and she says, take 1077 00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:45,239 Speaker 3: advantage of me. 1078 00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:45,600 Speaker 4: Jake. 1079 00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,200 Speaker 5: Well, she was. She was very pregnant when we did that, 1080 00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:51,919 Speaker 5: and the director was like, he was like, we were 1081 00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,680 Speaker 5: rehearsing it and he was like, no, you get on 1082 00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:56,919 Speaker 5: top her. I was like, you can't. I can't get 1083 00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,719 Speaker 5: She's eight months pregnant. I can't do that. So he 1084 00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,279 Speaker 5: was like, well and it was put a song on. 1085 00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:08,920 Speaker 4: It was like. 1086 00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:10,759 Speaker 5: Because I get on top of her, really and I 1087 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:15,680 Speaker 5: was like, you know, sir, she's pregnant. I cannot lay 1088 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:16,439 Speaker 5: on top of him. 1089 00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:17,040 Speaker 4: Push up. 1090 00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,920 Speaker 5: Then there's then we've got hold yourself off. 1091 00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,080 Speaker 3: It won't look real. 1092 00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:27,640 Speaker 5: So you want to be like spoon in other ways, 1093 00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,239 Speaker 5: it's very fun. 1094 00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,560 Speaker 6: He said, do a push up. Imagine you having to 1095 00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,040 Speaker 6: hold that push up for the whole scene. 1096 00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:39,120 Speaker 5: Like, but there's still she was pregnant. Man. 1097 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,759 Speaker 3: Yeah. And then the other big thing that happens in 1098 00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,480 Speaker 3: three thirteen that I have to hear about, is you 1099 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,239 Speaker 3: Jake Ballard kills. 1100 00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:48,759 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1101 00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,560 Speaker 1: We don't know who he kills in that in this episode. 1102 00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,840 Speaker 1: You assume it's him, but they don't show it. But 1103 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,719 Speaker 1: it ends up being of course, yeah, we can you. 1104 00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:07,279 Speaker 5: The way my worst day ever on Scandal, And it 1105 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,120 Speaker 5: began with the table read for that episode where we 1106 00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,160 Speaker 5: all found out. We didn't find out who it was, 1107 00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:18,000 Speaker 5: but it could have been Josh, and it was when 1108 00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,040 Speaker 5: we actually had to shoot it. It was Dan didn't. 1109 00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,719 Speaker 5: He wanted to keep working. He loved we loved having him. 1110 00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:23,920 Speaker 5: He wanted to be a part of it. He's got 1111 00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,880 Speaker 5: a family. This is his way makes a living. But 1112 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,439 Speaker 5: you're telling a story, and he was a. 1113 00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,480 Speaker 3: Great part, like as a game man with a big part. 1114 00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,080 Speaker 3: Was it horrible to shoot? Like you have to feel 1115 00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,479 Speaker 3: so bad or you're just like, I gotta get this done, 1116 00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,759 Speaker 3: Like we got to go home, Like I can't. We 1117 00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,920 Speaker 3: can't make this personal. I just have to like my job. 1118 00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,480 Speaker 5: I remember that night. I remember how it felt. I 1119 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,520 Speaker 5: remember the street, I remember him laying there with the blood. 1120 00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:55,880 Speaker 5: I remember the gun. I remember Shanda had a screenshot 1121 00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:02,040 Speaker 5: on her work computer of me holding the gun. I 1122 00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:02,759 Speaker 5: remember it all. 1123 00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:07,160 Speaker 3: Why that on her computer was like opposing it morbid? 1124 00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it was like her screensaver for a while. 1125 00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,760 Speaker 3: I remember it being so hard. It was the first 1126 00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,759 Speaker 3: person on the inside Scandal family who had done a 1127 00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,399 Speaker 3: shitload of episodes, and that's when we really realized, holy shit, 1128 00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:20,480 Speaker 3: nobody is safe here. 1129 00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:25,120 Speaker 5: I got emotional when we did it. I was really tough. 1130 00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:26,840 Speaker 5: You understand, it's not me. 1131 00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:27,400 Speaker 4: I didn't. 1132 00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,000 Speaker 5: I'm not the one who made the call. 1133 00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,880 Speaker 3: And Shawna said I remember her saying, I'm the protector 1134 00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:36,600 Speaker 3: of the story. It's my job to like, not fall 1135 00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,560 Speaker 3: in love with people, but to really look at the 1136 00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,279 Speaker 3: show and the story that we're telling and hold it 1137 00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,759 Speaker 3: above all else, hold it above my personal feelings and 1138 00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,560 Speaker 3: people's personal feelings, which must be so hard. When you're right, 1139 00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,520 Speaker 3: it's like my family, my bills, my all like. Also, 1140 00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:55,000 Speaker 3: he was playing a gay role. 1141 00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,080 Speaker 5: In Shanda and Dan had worked together. Dan was a 1142 00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,520 Speaker 5: writer on Gray's Anatomy. They had they have a hand street. 1143 00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:01,239 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1144 00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,279 Speaker 5: I can only imagine how difficult it was for her. 1145 00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,840 Speaker 5: It was very difficult for me. I know everybody involved, 1146 00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,160 Speaker 5: we all of us had a certain amount of guilt 1147 00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:12,480 Speaker 5: about survivor guilt. 1148 00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,319 Speaker 6: I guess you could get yeah, yeah, yeah. 1149 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,680 Speaker 1: And it wasn't just like you Jake shoots him and 1150 00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,600 Speaker 1: he falls over and dead in two seconds. It was 1151 00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:24,400 Speaker 1: a slow, agonizing death. You're talking him through the death. 1152 00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:25,840 Speaker 1: So I could see how that was. 1153 00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:27,440 Speaker 6: It's super difficult. 1154 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:28,120 Speaker 4: You know. 1155 00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,200 Speaker 5: Well, you're right, I forgot about that because I shoot 1156 00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:31,800 Speaker 5: him and then I go down and I talk to him. 1157 00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,120 Speaker 5: It's going to be okay. I'll make sure your daughter 1158 00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:35,400 Speaker 5: is okay. You know all that. 1159 00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,600 Speaker 6: And you're telling what he's going to feel as he's dying. 1160 00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:39,919 Speaker 6: Oh my god. Yeah, it's a lot. 1161 00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:40,520 Speaker 5: Wow. 1162 00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:46,160 Speaker 3: Thank you, Scotty Foley, Thank you, Danny Buga. We love 1163 00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,320 Speaker 3: you so much. In next up, we have episode three 1164 00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:52,880 Speaker 3: fourteen called Kiss, Kiss, Bang Bang, where we have to 1165 00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:57,120 Speaker 3: really struggle through this blood curdling, gurgling. 1166 00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:59,960 Speaker 1: Uh So, stay tuned, you guys. The next one is 1167 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,360 Speaker 1: three fourteen and we have a special guest. 1168 00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:03,200 Speaker 4: Bye. 1169 00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:03,720 Speaker 3: We love you. 1170 00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,720 Speaker 6: Thank you bye everybody. 1171 00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:10,800 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you guys for joining us on Unpacking 1172 00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:14,240 Speaker 1: the Toolbox. 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