Speaker 1: Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney thorn Smith and.
Speaker 2: Daphne's Aniga an iHeartRadio podcast. Hey everyone, welcome to the
Speaker 2: Melrose Minute, a new weekly audio snack for listeners of
Speaker 2: the Still the Place podcast. We recapped an episode of
Speaker 2: Melrose Place, the Christmas episode, and a bunch of different
Speaker 2: storylines happened there. One of them was Joe and Jake
Speaker 2: were heating up and picking out the Christmas tree and
Speaker 2: they were getting closer and hotter. And then we also
Speaker 2: had Billy gives a twenty four carrot necklace to Allison.
Speaker 3: We'll share our thoughts on that, So.
Speaker 2: Let's jump into Billy gives Alison the twenty four carrot
Speaker 2: necklace for Christmas and Joe thinks that's a little much.
Speaker 2: What do you guys think, what does our audience think?
Speaker 2: And what do you guys think? Their roommates, But he's
Speaker 2: obviously starting to feel something for Alison.
Speaker 3: This whole setup is that they've lived.
Speaker 2: Together, their roommates, they've been just friends, but things are
Speaker 2: starting to happen. You know, he's taken care of her
Speaker 2: through the breakup of William Moses and then taken care
Speaker 2: of her.
Speaker 3: At the hospital and her uterus situation.
Speaker 4: But you said it, we didn't.
Speaker 5: You guys loved it on the recap that boy, we're
Speaker 5: just trying to bug you deaf.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're just talking about like that point where
Speaker 2: you're starting to feel more. I mean, if it's clearly
Speaker 2: just friends, it's a bit much in my opinion. Twenty
Speaker 2: four carrot a beautiful piece of jewelry.
Speaker 3: Like that a necklace for a roommate. But if you're
Speaker 3: in his position and you're feeling more and they're getting
Speaker 3: a little more into I think it's clear.
Speaker 5: It's definitely like a gift for somebody special. It's not
Speaker 5: just a friend gift or a roommate gift. And I
Speaker 5: think we've all you know, gift giving is, like you
Speaker 5: do you have to really think.
Speaker 4: Well, wait a minute, what does this gift say? Like
Speaker 4: this the right tone? Is this the right thing?
Speaker 5: Does this just like hit the right mark? And I
Speaker 5: think definitely a twenty four carrot necklace for a roommate
Speaker 5: is a gift that says, oh, I think you're special,
Speaker 5: and I.
Speaker 4: Really this is me saying I love you, you know,
Speaker 4: Like I definitely think it speaks volumes.
Speaker 1: Georgie is very intimate right, Yeah, very very romantic, very intimate.
Speaker 1: Twenty four carrots, which I've never owned anything, twenty four carts, fourteen,
Speaker 1: I have ten carrot things fourteen pretty fancy, twenty four carrots,
Speaker 1: pretty intense. Billy drives a cab and he doesn't have
Speaker 1: money where you get it, Yeah, I mean in this
Speaker 1: day and age, gold is so expensive. Now can you
Speaker 1: imagine that I'm not going to do my little magic
Speaker 1: math where I figured it out. Let's just say it
Speaker 1: would cost a lot of money. And I don't think that.
Speaker 1: Allison in the show sort of registers this is sorry.
Speaker 1: She goes, thanks great and puts it on a Carrot's
Speaker 1: on with their day, right. It deserved a conversation that
Speaker 1: they did have.
Speaker 5: It was a big deal, and like Joe's you know,
Speaker 5: Joe's take on it was not crazy, Like she's like, uh, yeah,
Speaker 5: this says something more like you got to figure your
Speaker 5: stuff out, you know, either I mean it's to what
Speaker 5: you're feeling.
Speaker 2: Or yeah, I feel like because Joe has come from
Speaker 2: you know, he's a little further down the lawn, she's
Speaker 2: a little further down the line and like a serious relationship.
Speaker 2: Maybe she's gotten jewelry and there's sort of like there's
Speaker 2: politics and negotiations in this kind of thing in her
Speaker 2: world that she came from, and so for him.
Speaker 3: It's so naive. It's like the first time, you know,
Speaker 3: this was nice.
Speaker 2: It's a very sort of innocent, naive place to give
Speaker 2: it a jewelry from where she I'm sure with the
Speaker 2: world that she was in, it means very specific things
Speaker 2: and expectations are probably go along with it.
Speaker 3: That's just my view on her kind.
Speaker 1: Of Yeah, And I also think that Joe is seeing
Speaker 1: something that Alison and Billy aren't quite seeing yet, like it.
Speaker 1: So this is where the audience is like, can't start
Speaker 1: for you know, everyone else can see it. I think
Speaker 1: he's really not aware because there's a line which I
Speaker 1: loved when he said it's a token of friendship, and
Speaker 1: then Joe says, and that's exactly what you'll get.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can see it, like, don't you know.
Speaker 1: But it's one of those situations where everybody can see
Speaker 1: it except for Billy and Allison at this point.
Speaker 3: But Court that's kind of stumped me.
Speaker 2: This was it she was saying like twenty four carrot,
Speaker 2: because she says, is it eighteen or twenty four? Right,
Speaker 2: And so he says, twenty four, that's the most expensive version.
Speaker 3: Of a necklace you can get.
Speaker 2: So then why does she say, you gave her the
Speaker 2: twenty four carrot necklace, that's exactly what you'll get just friendship.
Speaker 3: I didn't get that.
Speaker 1: He says it's a token of friendship, and you say,
Speaker 1: and that's what you'll get.
Speaker 5: And I think she was also trying to point out
Speaker 5: that if you give this necklace, it indicates something greater
Speaker 5: than just friendship. But if I if you say to me, oh,
Speaker 5: it's just friendship, then then that's I'm going to hold
Speaker 5: you to that, Like you don't get to not tell
Speaker 5: the truth about what it is you want out of
Speaker 5: this relationship.
Speaker 4: And like it was, I mean that's sort of how
Speaker 4: I see.
Speaker 5: It's like because the gift, she was sort of calling
Speaker 5: it out, like this gift said a lot more than friendship. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so when he says, hey, it's a token of friendship,
Speaker 5: She's like, all right, well then that's you know what
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 4: Like she was almost like she was just calling his
Speaker 4: bluff on it, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that it's not about the necklace, it's about his
Speaker 2: behavior and how he's gonna.
Speaker 5: You need to say what you're actually feeling, because this
Speaker 5: necklace says a lot more than what you say you're feeling.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I mean, but it's so interesting because to.
Speaker 2: Me it's pretty obvious, Like he seemed really clueless. It's
Speaker 2: probably pretty obvious, isn't it. Maybe just because we're women,
Speaker 2: But I.
Speaker 5: Think it's just that that like that they're pining for
Speaker 5: something more, but none of them are able to say it,
Speaker 5: you know. But like I think in real life we
Speaker 5: all know that like a twenty four gold necklace would say, wow,
Speaker 5: this is you know, a deeper relationship wouldn't be something
Speaker 5: you'd do just for a remain or whatever.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, any gold night keeps saying twenty four
Speaker 1: carrot as if now eighteen eighteen carrot is friendship, but
Speaker 1: twenty just jewelry is intimate, it's romantic, and Billy's acting
Speaker 1: like it's not.
Speaker 4: But then get her a book.
Speaker 2: People will say, you know, if you get a ring,
Speaker 2: that means a lot more. It doesn't have to get
Speaker 2: an engagement ring, but a ring more than like, ugh,
Speaker 2: you know, you often see it where the woman opens
Speaker 2: a box and she's expecting a ring, piece of jewelry
Speaker 2: and it's earrings, which right, it isn't doesn't mean as
Speaker 2: much as the ring.
Speaker 3: You know, there's all these levels of meaning. And have
Speaker 3: you ever been at.
Speaker 1: That point in a relationship where I have been several
Speaker 1: times where you're kind of getting it's deeper and deeper
Speaker 1: and they give you jewelry but they say it's not
Speaker 1: the ring. Like you have to say, like I'll say,
Speaker 1: you've been together to I'm warning you before you've been
Speaker 1: together two years, if you give someone a jewelry box,
Speaker 1: you have to be clear, this is not an engage.
Speaker 4: I just I just wanted to get you a nice
Speaker 4: pair of arrings. Now go ahead and open it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: like a little warning. That's funny.
Speaker 2: I think you know what I did, like ultimately at
Speaker 2: that episode and between that couple, because you know, as
Speaker 2: I said before, when we were doing the recap, Joe
Speaker 2: and Jake are like, you know, they just like hook up,
Speaker 2: and they they well, we can talk about that next
Speaker 2: that they are making out on the sofa and then
Speaker 2: you know, he starts to unbutton something and she's like,
Speaker 2: now this is a slow down, and he goes, whatever
Speaker 2: you want and she says, just this just the making out.
Speaker 2: I was just going to bring up how this uh
Speaker 2: storyline is different at a different pace with two different
Speaker 2: people than the Billian Allison, which is it's been there's such.
Speaker 3: A history of the friendship kind of chemistry and they
Speaker 3: have it's as cool and great a chemistry and to
Speaker 3: me that means sort of a long term thing.
Speaker 2: It's just different than Jake and Joe. But okay, they're
Speaker 2: making out on a couch.
Speaker 5: And and so there's there's like the larger question is this,
Speaker 5: you know, like for for us in our you know,
Speaker 5: in our opinion, is this, is this a good idea
Speaker 5: for her to like move into this new apartment and
Speaker 5: immediately start a thing with the with the you know,
Speaker 5: with the neighbor whatever, Like, is that is that really
Speaker 5: a great idea? Like Billy and Allison's choice is you know,
Speaker 5: probably a little bit maybe better like just we're trying
Speaker 5: to be friends, but ooh, now we're having trouble maintaining
Speaker 5: a friendship because we're actually finding that we have more
Speaker 5: interest in each other than you know, just roommates whatever.
Speaker 5: But Joe comes into this new apartment building and immediately,
Speaker 5: you know, is willing to start a thing.
Speaker 4: And Jake seemed to be like more than open to
Speaker 4: it right from.
Speaker 5: The get go, Like, is that a great idea to
Speaker 5: get involved with somebody in your apartment building?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 5: Probably not right, Like what happens if that goes around?
Speaker 2: I mean, what do you do with that feeling? I mean, right,
Speaker 2: what are you supposed to do with it? You live
Speaker 2: right near each other. It's almost like you got to
Speaker 2: go through with the feeling and the impulse and it's
Speaker 2: gonna happen. If it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen. It's
Speaker 2: either sooner or later. But then you got to deal
Speaker 2: with repercussions.
Speaker 5: And it's I guess it's the same conversation for like,
Speaker 5: do you get involved with somebody that you work with?
Speaker 5: And yeah, you too, we did and everything you know
Speaker 5: worked out okay, like nothing nothing turned into a disaster,
Speaker 5: you know whatever, But but there's no things in why
Speaker 5: maybe you shouldn't.
Speaker 4: You know, doesn't mean you don't, but maybe you shouldn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think what was smart about the way they did
Speaker 1: Jake and Joe for the writers is that while we
Speaker 1: have this simmering, endlessly simmering thing with Billy and Allison,
Speaker 1: it's like we'll give you this, this hot couple is
Speaker 1: going to be making out, so you have the audience,
Speaker 1: so you have this great thing and that dichotomy is
Speaker 1: so good and billiy and Nelson not being able to
Speaker 1: share their feelings and you guys just like going for it.
Speaker 1: I love that balance.
Speaker 4: I thought I didn't an episode really fun.
Speaker 2: And to me it really made sense because of who
Speaker 2: they are. There conversations that they have and they both
Speaker 2: have run They run from the past, they run from people.
Speaker 2: They are not great at this stuff, but there is
Speaker 2: a chemistry that they connect and get intimate on and
Speaker 2: they need that and that's.
Speaker 3: How they do it.
Speaker 2: And I just they really as we see because they
Speaker 2: stay a couple for quite a while, but it makes
Speaker 2: sense for those characters. To me, I just don't see them,
Speaker 2: you know, not doing it. Uh And I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 2: same at work.
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Speaker 4: Daph did you ever have a relationship with somebody you
Speaker 4: worked with?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, okay, I mean I've been working since I'm seventeen,
Speaker 2: you know, and they're long hours and I worked.
Speaker 4: A lot, so right, it's like not advisable, But you know,
Speaker 4: what are you going to do?
Speaker 3: Yeah? You kind of.
Speaker 2: I think I'll ask you guys, because you both did
Speaker 2: this on this show that we're talking about your acting
Speaker 2: skills come in handy, you know, because you are on
Speaker 2: the clock and you have certain lines to deliver and
Speaker 2: certain emotions to deliver, and they have maybe the total
Speaker 2: opposite of what you experienced off hours or with this
Speaker 2: other person, and they're there on set, and wherever you
Speaker 2: are in that relationship, you got to act. You got
Speaker 2: to show up and be a pro right as best
Speaker 2: as you can.
Speaker 1: Well. I feel so lucky in that Andrew was the
Speaker 1: person on that set that I connected with because we
Speaker 1: helped each other through that first crazy year when things
Speaker 1: got crazy. We're so like supportive because we're good friends too,
Speaker 1: and we always were good friends even when we were
Speaker 1: together as a couple. And so grateful that when the
Speaker 1: romantic part left our relationship that we could still be
Speaker 1: together because our characters were still together. And it's just lucky, right,
Speaker 1: because unless both people are being professional and kind, it
Speaker 1: can be awful. And it wasn't. And I'm so grateful
Speaker 1: that it wasn't, because he or I could have made
Speaker 1: it awful and I'm just grateful neither.
Speaker 5: Of us did.
Speaker 3: It was sweet. It was it's still sweet still.
Speaker 1: I think of him, was so much love and gratitude
Speaker 1: to this day. That was a really special time in
Speaker 1: my life.
Speaker 4: Everything turned out just fine.
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I mean, like you know, Grant and I
Speaker 5: dated during during the run of the show, and there
Speaker 5: was you know, a moment of inevitability when the storylines
Speaker 5: circle around and it's going to be like, oh, now
Speaker 5: Sidney's going to be you know, in a storyline with Jake,
Speaker 5: and just sort of that inevitability of every character is
Speaker 5: gonna loop around and somehow have a relationship with it.
Speaker 5: But there was this feeling like, wait, is that because.
Speaker 4: We're together in real life and then you.
Speaker 5: Know that's being there was this like oh it just
Speaker 5: that sort of uncomfortability that those are repercussions. I think
Speaker 5: professionally that you have to like you're saying like, okay,
Speaker 5: now we got to deal with this sort of on
Speaker 5: camera relationship where we also have this completely different in
Speaker 5: real life being right, But also I just I think
Speaker 5: that like the repercussions I think are even greater just
Speaker 5: to think are we going to make sure that we
Speaker 5: can end this well and not badly?
Speaker 4: Or like living in an apartment building, like ooh.
Speaker 5: If I start something with somebody in my apartment building
Speaker 5: and it, it eventually comes to an end.
Speaker 4: You know, how do I make that be?
Speaker 3: We all try our best.
Speaker 2: Nothing is listen in the world of love, nothing is
Speaker 2: totally me and perfect, and we do our best and
Speaker 2: things have their ending. And frankly, I think in this culture,
Speaker 2: this fantasy of romance always focuses on the beginning, the hotness,
Speaker 2: the feelings, and then the passion and then the middle,
Speaker 2: and no one ever focuses on the end. The end
Speaker 2: is an important part of it too, And to do
Speaker 2: it skillfully it's really hard because I don't think we
Speaker 2: have a lot of role models. We all have broken
Speaker 2: heart and people are left and stuff, and so you know,
Speaker 2: I remember once I had a breakup. It wasn't with
Speaker 2: someone I was working with, but you know, we went
Speaker 2: to my therapist. We had the most beautiful situation, and
Speaker 2: to this day it's like he we honored the ending
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 3: And I don't think a lot of people do it.
Speaker 2: And I think that's really hard if you're working twelve
Speaker 2: hours a day with someone.
Speaker 3: But you know, we do our best. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: and you got your.
Speaker 1: Lucky When Gwyneth Paltrow and Chris Martin broke up and
Speaker 1: they said Conscious and Company, and they got so much
Speaker 1: crap for it. But here's the truth, right, if you
Speaker 1: can uncouple, Like the romantic part of our relationship isn't here,
Speaker 1: But if there's enough good to make contain a friendship,
Speaker 1: that's amazing because it wasn't in theory. Like for most relationships,
Speaker 1: it's not just sex that bonds you, right, hopefully there's
Speaker 1: a real emotional connection. It's amazing if you could keep that,
Speaker 1: especially obviously if you're working together, then that's it.
Speaker 2: And even if you're not going to be friends, just
Speaker 2: like a story, like a movie, like an episode, there's
Speaker 2: an ending. There is an ending that has as much
Speaker 2: importance as the middle and the beginning, and at least
Speaker 2: honor that. And maybe you'll never see each other or
Speaker 2: talk together, but you know, especially if you're working together,
Speaker 2: I would think that that would be so important.
Speaker 5: But you okay, So speaking of relationship consequences, yes, the
Speaker 5: fact that Michael brought Kimberly to his apartment complex while
Speaker 5: his wife is out of town for the Christmas party, Like,
Speaker 5: what do you think that would actually look like in
Speaker 5: real life?
Speaker 3: All answer?
Speaker 4: First, totally bad move, Like not cool?
Speaker 3: Yeah, not cool?
Speaker 1: I think it makes it look innocent though, because I'm
Speaker 1: bringing my friends, So why would I ever bring each.
Speaker 4: Try like, I'm sorry. If May's then.
Speaker 3: And said we made a baby today together, Yeah that.
Speaker 4: Was I mean, they that was mad.
Speaker 5: But if my husband brought a coworker to like a
Speaker 5: family party when I was out of town, that would
Speaker 5: that would feel very weird. Especially they've already had this
Speaker 5: conversation of like, should I be jealous? You know, he's
Speaker 5: already said, oh, we I really connected with this other,
Speaker 5: this colleague of mine, and she's beautiful and whatever, and
Speaker 5: Jane has to say, should I be jealous?
Speaker 4: And he's like maybe, but don't play that groundwork.
Speaker 5: And then also bring her while I'm out of town
Speaker 5: to the Christmas party?
Speaker 3: Not cool?
Speaker 2: I mean, this is one thing they say, I thought
Speaker 2: I thought this was interesting. Uh they did not say
Speaker 2: in this episode, but if the wife.
Speaker 3: Knows, then okay, if he had.
Speaker 2: Called Jane and said this person Kimberly, we let's.
Speaker 3: Pretend we know nothing about the future.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, when they were she was lonely, and
Speaker 2: they did go through a lot that day, a death
Speaker 2: of a child and the birth, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's a normal thing.
Speaker 3: I'm having a potlug. You want to come? If you
Speaker 3: call your wife. If the wife knows, then it's not
Speaker 3: a secret.
Speaker 2: If the wife doesn't know, then it's a secret, which
Speaker 2: means no, it's not a good idea.
Speaker 4: That's a good point.
Speaker 5: And also it is a little bit hard to divorce
Speaker 5: myself from like knowing what I know of those two
Speaker 5: characters to go, well, if I was, you know, but
Speaker 5: I guess in real life you don't have that crystal
Speaker 5: ball either to know what's coming. So it was like
Speaker 5: a very Christmas y like goodwill sort of extension to
Speaker 5: a friend, of.
Speaker 4: Course, saying you have nowhere to go, of course you
Speaker 4: should come celebrate Christmas here whatever you know.
Speaker 5: So but the clarity, I think it's just gets cloudy,
Speaker 5: like knowing what we know or whatever.
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, absolutely uncool.
Speaker 2: But it's so fun watching it now because we do know,
Speaker 2: and the audience does know what a disaster that woman
Speaker 2: and that guy turns into. And they're just sitting there
Speaker 2: so innocently in her little inner sweater oversized sweater. Oh hi,
Speaker 2: and this happy family vibe, you know, with all these
Speaker 2: people and Matt has made the meal and the Turkey's
Speaker 2: Out and yeah, you're just going, it's just hilarious watching
Speaker 2: it now.
Speaker 5: I love that you get like this extra opportunity to
Speaker 5: dive a little bit deeper into some of these things
Speaker 5: that happened in the episodes. We're going to be doing
Speaker 5: these every week with our recaps. We're going to add
Speaker 5: these Melrose Minutes so because we need extra time to
Speaker 5: talk about stuff like we So thank you all for
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Speaker 4: Thanks, I see you next time.