Speaker 1: All right. He's a former r pro linebacker, host of
Speaker 1: The Lights Out podcast, friend of the Show, and former
Speaker 1: teammate of Philip Rivers who retired today. Sean Merriman, what's Sean,
Speaker 1: what's up? Fellers? Are you doing? Always like to have
Speaker 1: you on My man. Before you answer, Chris is gonna
Speaker 1: ask you a question. Let me ask you, Let me
Speaker 1: ask the question. I gotta say something before he answers
Speaker 1: go ahead. I'm I'm. We were just debating, Sean, whether
Speaker 1: or not Philip Rivers is a Hall of Famer. We're
Speaker 1: gonna give you the definitive answer, whatever you say. That's
Speaker 1: what the Eye Couple answer is was Philip Rivers are
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. But Sean, before you answer, I just
Speaker 1: wanted to make you aware that Philip Rivers have more
Speaker 1: kids than playoff wins. Okay, so now you got your answer,
Speaker 1: so so so the quick answer is absolutely thank you
Speaker 1: that that part of it is not even up for debate,
Speaker 1: right because look, you know we got the old Sam
Speaker 1: men a Lite women lot numbers. Don't you know before
Speaker 1: before I came on, I heard you guys talk about
Speaker 1: his numbers. And if you want to go strictly off
Speaker 1: the numbers. He's a shoe win for the Hall of Fame. Now,
Speaker 1: the reason why it's even up for debate, this, this
Speaker 1: is why the you know, people even fighting this, right
Speaker 1: because you got the creaming a crop of Tom Brady
Speaker 1: who's won so many rings, right, uh that now we
Speaker 1: start to base it off just that, oh he doesn't
Speaker 1: have and I'm like, hold on, you're talking about his
Speaker 1: top five in two or three major categories. You know
Speaker 1: how hard that is to do in the National Football
Speaker 1: League over you know, seventeen year career fifteen fifteen while
Speaker 1: he just started, never even miss one single game. And
Speaker 1: of course I'm gonna be a little biased because I
Speaker 1: played with him, but a little bit. Let me, let me,
Speaker 1: let me put it this way. You know, I'm sitting there.
Speaker 1: I remember in the two thousand seven championship game against
Speaker 1: the Patriots, you're talking about somebody who had a c
Speaker 1: L scope just to play in it. And we almost
Speaker 1: you know, we came close to pool and that thing off.
Speaker 1: And so you see somebody's body of work, right, and
Speaker 1: if you and if you throw one ring I'm talking
Speaker 1: about just one ring in it, that everybody will be
Speaker 1: on the same page and say Philip Rivers is a
Speaker 1: shoe and everybody won't have, not one single person if
Speaker 1: he had one ring. Here here's here's my pushback to you.
Speaker 1: There are five quarterbacks in the Hall of Fame who
Speaker 1: don't have a Super Bowl win. Okay, but they all
Speaker 1: made first team All Pro. Dan Foul's, Warren Moon, Jim Kelly,
Speaker 1: Dan Marino, Fran Tarkington. Rivers never made first or second
Speaker 1: All Pro in his career. That is not a Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer, and I don't care who else was around.
Speaker 1: That's how you distinguish yourself as one of the great
Speaker 1: quarterbacks is that there's a year or two one a
Speaker 1: f C Championship game in seventeen years, fifteen years as
Speaker 1: a starter. Those are not Hall of Fame numbers to me, Sean,
Speaker 1: whenever you have to debate somebody about a player's ability
Speaker 1: to be in the Hall of Fame, you're not a
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. If I say to you Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna put up a fight. If I say
Speaker 1: Damn Marino, You're not gonna no even without that, If
Speaker 1: I said Warren Moon, I think you would appreciate that
Speaker 1: Warren Moon was a better play rob there's a debate
Speaker 1: about Eli Manning. No there is, thinking, Yeah, there is.
Speaker 1: He'd ever go to Canton again if Eli is in
Speaker 1: the Hall of John Sean. Is Eli Manning not a
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer? In my opinion? Wow, he'd beat the
Speaker 1: nineteen and old Patriots team. He'd beat Tom Brady and
Speaker 1: the Patriots twice. Are you kidding me? We beat we
Speaker 1: beat We beat a team in Indianapolis, coach when they
Speaker 1: want to defeat it, I believe as well. So in
Speaker 1: the super Bowl, you beat an undefeated team that beat
Speaker 1: that average thirty five points a game, and you beat
Speaker 1: them and for them to have a perfect season. This
Speaker 1: is this is my pushback to what you said. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you the real reason why it's a debate
Speaker 1: with Philip Rivers. Phil wasn't like over his career because
Speaker 1: most people thought that he talked a lot of trash.
Speaker 1: That's why it's a debate because people didn't like him.
Speaker 1: And one thing that I appreciate more than anything over
Speaker 1: these last our year, I would say two years, we're
Speaker 1: all finally seeing that the Philip Rivers that was talking trash,
Speaker 1: it is just his competitive side and most of majority
Speaker 1: of people people who played wasn't and played against him.
Speaker 1: Respect him now because he's miked up. We're seeing these videos,
Speaker 1: these clips or NFL film and you know, the behind
Speaker 1: the scenes stuff, and you're starting to see a guy
Speaker 1: who was more competitive talking trash than somebody you hate.
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you that's the only reason why we're
Speaker 1: having this debate because some people didn't like Philip Rivers.
Speaker 1: It's completely It's a different story now, Sean, what did
Speaker 1: the play the teammate the other charges thinking him, because
Speaker 1: like you said, he never missed the start, he played
Speaker 1: through a tour a c L. I mean, that had
Speaker 1: to make everybody believe this dude is, you know, one
Speaker 1: of the toughest dudes in the league. Not only that. Look,
Speaker 1: when I used to play against Philip Rivers when he
Speaker 1: was at NC State now was in Maryland. I didn't
Speaker 1: like him either. I didn't, you know, because I didn't know.
Speaker 1: We're sitting there watching watching film, and we watched the
Speaker 1: film during the week and I see him after the
Speaker 1: play and you can't see what he's saying, but you
Speaker 1: always see it heldman jerking back and forth. At the
Speaker 1: point he's he's super you know, just being a character,
Speaker 1: and I said, you know what, when he play these
Speaker 1: when we play these dudes, I'm gonna get him. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get it because I didn't like him. Now when
Speaker 1: I played with him, I finally understood what everybody and
Speaker 1: one of his teammates and the NC State was saying,
Speaker 1: the saying, you're gonna love that dude. You're gonna love
Speaker 1: him because he's the one. He one of the ones
Speaker 1: that he didn't talk like that just on the field.
Speaker 1: He talked like that all day. I don't care if
Speaker 1: we were playing cards or dominoes in the locker room,
Speaker 1: if we were sitting at the lunch table to eat,
Speaker 1: it didn't matter weight room. He'll walk by you while
Speaker 1: you're the bench press and say something to you. It
Speaker 1: was a competitive spirit twenty four hours a day would phil.
Speaker 1: It never stopped. And and that's why I believe that
Speaker 1: they'll never They'll never be another fill of Rivers man.
Speaker 1: He truly is one of the kind. Yeah, here's the
Speaker 1: other part. He has a dubious distinction, of course, being
Speaker 1: top ten quarterback in passing yards and touchdowns, not to
Speaker 1: make the Super Bowl. He's the only one, and that
Speaker 1: that that speaks volumes about him not being in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. You could pile up numbers. Numbers don't
Speaker 1: always tell you the story. Matthew Stafford. If you just
Speaker 1: go by numbers, a Sean sham, Matthew Stafford be in
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. His numbers, that's Chris. That's what
Speaker 1: I was about to say. He didn't win. And so
Speaker 1: now so this is what rob This is all when
Speaker 1: I see all the time. Right, So when somebody's making
Speaker 1: the point and they want to bring up statatists and statistics,
Speaker 1: they'll they'll tell you, oh, this this because of this. Right,
Speaker 1: So now we got staff and statistics, and now people
Speaker 1: tell you don't listen to him, but don't believe him.
Speaker 1: So which one is it? That's I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: think out are we are we going by the numbers?
Speaker 1: Are we not going by the numbers? Because if we're
Speaker 1: going about it numbers, he's a shoeing in the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame. He just doesn't stack up with the other
Speaker 1: guys who were there. And that's the way I look
Speaker 1: at it. I don't have I don't vote for pro football.
Speaker 1: I vote for baseball and personalities. Never I voted for
Speaker 1: Barry Bonds for nine years and he got one more left,
Speaker 1: and and Barry Bonds was terrible to the media. People
Speaker 1: didn't like He didn't like the media. People didn't like him.
Speaker 1: That guy won seven m vps and guess who voted
Speaker 1: for him, Sean the writers, because he was a great player.
Speaker 1: You can't deny that Philip Rivers was a very good player.
Speaker 1: If I was in that room, I would stand up,
Speaker 1: do the funky chicken, whatever I could do to delay
Speaker 1: the vote, to stop them from putting Philip Rivers in
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. I just don't think he's a
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. I get it, and I understand why
Speaker 1: you're saying that. But at this at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, at the end of the day, when you
Speaker 1: stacked up and you talked about top five or top
Speaker 1: ten across multiple categories, and you want to talk about
Speaker 1: the numbers, you're gonna have a hard time justifying why
Speaker 1: Philip is not in there. You can, you can say rings, okay,
Speaker 1: but other people who didn't win rings. So if you
Speaker 1: start start talking about the numbers, so that same funky
Speaker 1: chicken you're doing it there, you have to take you
Speaker 1: because those that top five or top seven numbers. He's
Speaker 1: gonna fall right in the categories. You now, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to explain why he's not in there. There. It
Speaker 1: is the definitive answer from Sean. Like Sean, I still
Speaker 1: like you. I just disagree with you to the high
Speaker 1: heavens id I fight with people. I'm gonna fight all
Speaker 1: the way to the day when he get voted in,
Speaker 1: and I just know what's gonna happen. Whe it's the
Speaker 1: first bottle or not. He's definitely gonna get in, all right,
Speaker 1: And when he does it, we'll have a conversation. We'll
Speaker 1: have you back on Sean's alway. Thanks for the spirited debate,
Speaker 1: my man. Thank you you