1 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversations. I am your host from 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: Sean McDonald. It is important to understand that everybody travels 3 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: a different path to success. That's because your brand is different, 4 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: the challenges you're facing your life are different. So I 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: tell everybody you need to stop reading other people's success 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: stories and really start writing your own, because it's important 7 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: understand that that's their story and the story means nothing 8 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: to you because they travel a different path to get there. 9 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: But I want you to be motivated by their success 10 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: because their stories can offer you direction and also a plan. 11 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: But it has to be your plan in order to 12 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: get there. It has to be through your committed effort 13 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: and again your planning. My next guest, as a planner 14 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 1: at Activists, sees a lot of the more importantly. Luie 15 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:50,279 Speaker 1: Daniel Favors is on my show. Luis Daniel Favors as 16 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: an activist, radio host, author, and attorney with a longstanding 17 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: commitment to racial and social justice. She currently serves as 18 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: an interim Executive director at the Center for Law and 19 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: Social Justice. There's a lot going on today, y'all, from 20 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 1: politics to economics and social civil and civil unrest on 21 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: both sides. I'd like to believe Attorney Favorites is on 22 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: my show to talk about it and the upcoming inauguration. 23 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: Please welcome to Money Making Conversation, Larie Daniel Favors. Did 24 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: I get it that correctly? You did, sir, you did, indeed, 25 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: and thank you so much for having me. It's an 26 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: honor to be here. Well printed. First of all, you know, 27 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: knowing your schedule, knowing your background, let's let's let's get 28 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: it into your background, because I'd always like to tell people, 29 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: you know, you you're are a radio host, so you 30 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 1: a lot of time of serious ExM. Your voice is 31 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: over there. What what direction do you want to take 32 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 1: your career? And all your brain? You know, it's interesting. 33 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: I remember when I was a little girl, I actually 34 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: wanted to be a doctor. I had no interest in 35 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: the law whatsoever. And I had this dream that I 36 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: was going to be I was gonna deliver babies for 37 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: communities that I wanted to live in Black communities largely, 38 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: and I planned on having a clinic where I would 39 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: deliver the babies of the mothers. The mothers would enroll 40 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: their children into classes that I had I was going 41 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: to have at this clinic, and then the mothers would 42 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: work in the clinic with me and we would create 43 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: in my seven year eight year old mine. I was 44 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: literally trying to think of a cooperative health care service 45 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: that was going to be able to meet the needs 46 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: of people in my community. I stuck with that dream 47 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: for a really long time. And I'm gen x uh 48 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: and I grew up in a time where girls not 49 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: being good at math and science was still kind of 50 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: a thing. Like we didn't have doc m stuffins when 51 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: I was little. My daughter has that now her her 52 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: possibilities are completely wide open. And as a result of that, 53 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: I did not get along well with math or science, 54 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: and so I realized that, uh, the doctor Ringfield was 55 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: probably not going to be where I ended up staying 56 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: in the medical community. Um. When I was seventeen years old, 57 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: one of my uncles took me to hear a civil 58 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: rights speaker, an attorney all tomatics, and I believe it 59 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: was at the Slave Theater in New York City, and 60 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: I was completely enraptured with everything that this man had 61 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: to say. He was speaking a lot of truth to fire. 62 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: He was speaking to all of the issues that I 63 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: cared about. You know, my my parents raised me to 64 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: be very um engaged with what was happening in our community. 65 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 1: You know, loving black people proactively was really a part 66 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: of my education as a child. UM. And when I 67 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 1: heard him speak, I said, Okay, I'm gonna have to 68 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: let go of this clinic idea because Matthew Stein and 69 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: I'm not getting the law. I'm going to law school 70 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: and I'm going to use the law to make black 71 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: people's lives better in some way, shape or form. And 72 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: That's sort of the track and the trajectory that I've 73 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: been on ever since I've been engaged in community activism 74 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: since my days in college. My friends and I put 75 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: together an organization that you know, decades later, are still 76 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: in existence. And as far as where I want my 77 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: career to go, I definitely see it on that path, 78 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: using my my passion, using my training as an attorney 79 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: UM and as someone who has an expertise in racial justice, 80 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: to really create an environment and an opportunity to where 81 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: we are setting our own tables. We were able to 82 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: bring our own chairs, prepare our own food, and then 83 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: we can invite other people to our table instead of 84 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: needing to constantly feel as that we have to be 85 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: invited to someone else's So that's you know, I don't 86 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: know what that means in terms of next moves I 87 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: would make politically or are professionally, but that's certainly the 88 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: trajectory I see myself on. Well. First of all, my 89 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: degree is in mathematics, so you know, just let you 90 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: know that, don't beat me up. And my minor is 91 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: very similar to yours in sociology because I have a 92 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: strong ephasis in African American studies, and I tell everybody, 93 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 1: if I had to do it all over again, I 94 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: would minor the sociology because African American studies changing my 95 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: life because I realized what what was school is really 96 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: a farce because they don't teach you or tell you 97 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: the true reality. And that's why Confederate flags are cool 98 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: in the South, because if it actually did the proper 99 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: education and show the gym pro processes and how blacks 100 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 1: really contributed to this world, then white people will be 101 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: ashamed to hang those flags in the South. How did 102 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: African American studies have the impact on your life? You know, 103 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: I think that's a great question, because what I actually 104 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: have come to believe is that every black college student, 105 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: and it's a shame that it takes getting to college 106 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: to get access to this information. Right. You know, my 107 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: husband and I often talk about the fact that, you know, 108 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: we have all these professional degrees, and outside of my 109 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: Africana Studies degree, which I majored in the college, I 110 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: really had no other space in my education that prepared 111 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: me for what it is that I'm doing today. And 112 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: I feel as though every black student who was so 113 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: privileged to be able to go to college needs to 114 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: need a double major in African and African American studies 115 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: or minor in it if it's not their primary major. 116 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: And I think it's important because we don't just need 117 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 1: political scientists. We need political scientists who know how to 118 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: take the wisdom of one of the best political scientists, 119 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: Marcus Garvey, and fuse them with what our issues are today. 120 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: We don't just need entrepreneurs. We need entrepreneurs who can 121 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: tap into the genius that book with T Washington did have. 122 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: I know that you know there's some controversy there, but 123 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: he was onto something he and WB the Boy that 124 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: shouldn't have been an a bay because we needed both 125 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 1: of what they had to say. But we need entrepreneurs 126 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: who are able to take the book or t Washington 127 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: Approach to trade and two skills development and marry it 128 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 1: with the job needs that we have in our community 129 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 1: right now. We don't just need black medical doctors. We 130 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: need black medical doctors who have an expertise in the 131 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: health conditions and the environment that produced the health outcomes 132 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: that black communities find ourselves in. Why because we need 133 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: them to build hospitals, We need them to leave research. 134 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: We need them to engage in in the types of 135 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: study that is going to center our physical needs. We 136 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: we don't just need black bankers and finances. We need 137 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: black bankers and finances who understand black economics and who 138 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: can take a Claude Anderson's message, who can look at 139 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: a message, who can look at what it means to 140 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: have a legacy of black banking and recognizing the limitations 141 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: of focusing solely on black banking within a racially driven 142 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: capitalist system, and create economic models that are going to 143 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: not only uh empower us to employment, but how do 144 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: we grow wealth within a society where we are at 145 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: the bottom, and how to pull ourselves up. We need 146 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: black professionals who aren't just black professionals. We don't just 147 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: need people getting jobs and great paytrins. We need them 148 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: to have the knowledge that is going to be necessary 149 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,679 Speaker 1: to create solutions so that our community can get the benefit. 150 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: And so I would encourage every parent if you have 151 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: children who who are looking to go into college, whether 152 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: they're going to HBCU or p w Y, majoring in 153 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: Afrikaan is studies is one of the best things they 154 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: can do. And even if if it's a double major, 155 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: even if it's a minor. 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That's O T T 198 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: E R dot ai. Well, here's the beauty of conversation 199 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 1: we're about to have. Because of being in a minor 200 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: in this socio, you major that you have to degreet 201 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: b A in African and African and studies your minors 202 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: in Spanish language. I must admit I'm very limited in 203 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: that conversation, so we won't even go there. We won't 204 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: go there. We'll go there even though I grew up 205 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: in Houston, Texas now book watching because you brought him up. 206 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna bring him up in this conversation because 207 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: he's renowned in the black community, but when you hear 208 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: a story, he felt that black people should be subservient 209 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: in my tone and my learnings to white people, because 210 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: white people think good, great maze and great mechanics all. 211 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: And that's where w B. The Bars had issues with 212 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: him because he felt that, sure, you educating African American 213 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: or black people are negroes at the time, but you're 214 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: telling them that's all they could do. What WB the 215 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: Boars were saying, we should be able to do anything, 216 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 1: you know in conversation, and I writing that assessment in comparison, 217 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: you learned that your way, I learned my way. But 218 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,719 Speaker 1: but but Book Washington really in some ways was a disappointment. 219 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 1: Even though he had the voices of all the all 220 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 1: the right white people, the rich ones to Rockefellers, they 221 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: all went to him for information and so when he 222 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: told them just what black people can do, so in 223 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: some ways it created an image of our we weren't 224 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: unlimited and opportunities, we were limited an opportunity based on 225 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: these conversations. So I think that what you raise is 226 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: a really good point. And I love the juxtaposition between 227 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: the boys and Book or T. Washington and I think 228 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: it's important that we recognize that a lot of times 229 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: in history you have these these massive debates between these 230 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: giants of our history. And if you're able to pull 231 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: back a bit and then bring yourself back from the forest, 232 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: from the trees, to look at the individual tree, to 233 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: look at the whole force, what we see is often 234 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: there are truths in every single one of their arguments, 235 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: many of them right for book or T. Washington advocating 236 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: the routes to trade, advocating that the use of our 237 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: hands manual labor. For him, I think what he was 238 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 1: saying is that even if we take this college route, 239 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: even if we get our students into college, and at 240 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: that time, you know, CARTERGI Woodson tells us a lot 241 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: about the early era of educating black people in this country, 242 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: and Cargi Wooson in his book The Miseducation of the Negro, 243 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: he talks a lot about the fact that you've got 244 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: black people in school who are learning Latin, they're learning 245 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: Greek history, they're becoming professors of you know, the great 246 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: Romance languages, you know, things of that nature. And yet 247 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: the peanut farmer who is an immigrant who cannot speak 248 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 1: English can come to this country, having just got here 249 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: last month, open up a peanut cart, and will become 250 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 1: rich by selling to those of us black people who 251 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: are often colleges, learning the trades and learning the great 252 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: Romance languages. And I think what what we find that 253 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: kind of brings each of those three men and their 254 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: bodies of thought together, is the idea that, yes, we 255 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: need people who are able to go off into the 256 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: humanities and to study what it means to to engage 257 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: in philosophy. But if the philosophy is Western philosophy, and 258 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: if the philosophy is harmfully exclusionary to black interests and 259 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: to the black existence, then that philosophy and black people 260 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: majoring in that type of a sophie for their academic study, 261 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: does us a disservice. I think that when we're looking 262 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: at where we're at right now today, I have a 263 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: very good friend of mine who's a phenomenal, brilliant guy finance, 264 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 1: and you know, he's done a lot of work in 265 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: the finance industry. He's a VP at one of the 266 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: big banks. And you know, my husband and I we 267 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: were at lunch with a friend of ours and and 268 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: he's there and we're introducing them and realizing they worked 269 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: at the same bank. You know, both of them are 270 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 1: vps at the same bank. And oh, you guys must 271 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: already know each other. You're both at the same and 272 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: and and they didn't know each other. And one of 273 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 1: them laughs and says, you know, we might all be black, 274 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: and we might all be bankers, but too many black 275 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: people gathered in the at the water cooler makes a 276 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: lot of our white colleagues nervous. And you know, we 277 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: laughed it off, and I was like, ha ha ha. 278 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: But later on it struck me that we have these 279 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 1: two examples of brilliant black men who have done everything 280 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: that we have asked of them. They've gone on to school, 281 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 1: they've got successful jobs, they're they're making their way, making 282 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: good money, donating to the community. And yet even with 283 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: being masters in their profession, they were limited in their 284 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: ability to even bring their requisite areas of of of 285 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: of expertise together to build something that our community could 286 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: benefit from. And right now we're in an area and 287 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: in an environment where you have, uh, the numbers of 288 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 1: our people who are in the criminal justice system or 289 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:18,119 Speaker 1: criminal justice involved as compared to college students are comparable. 290 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: Right now, we have a reality where uh most of 291 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: us who are black professionals who are employed uh in 292 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: in white institutions and white owned spaces. Um, we're often 293 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: the last hired, which means that whenever rounds of of 294 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: of of reductions and force come about, we're often the 295 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: first fired. We are in an environment where we have 296 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: to sue corporate entities to hire enough of us, and 297 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: we have to hold over these corporate entities the threat 298 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: that by not hiring us and not having diverse workspaces, 299 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: they will then have to face some sort of of 300 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: accusations of discrimination. If we are talking about an economy 301 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: that is largely based on black students mastering the skills 302 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: of whiteness, that Latin, that Greek, learning how to present 303 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: in a way that's going to make our teachers believe 304 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: in us and not fear us by the time we 305 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: transition from the third grade of fourth grade, that year 306 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: in between where a lot of black boys go from 307 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: being cute little Tyrone so, oh my gosh, Tyrone is 308 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: making me nervous. You're so big and aggressive. Maybe you 309 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: should be in special Let right, We're have an environment 310 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: where our economic success models require black children to master 311 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: white knowledge in it and present it in a way 312 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: that is acceptable to white people, so that we make 313 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: them comfortable enough that they will then hire us, give 314 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: us entrede into their economics pathways to success. I think 315 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: when we look back at the history between the Boys 316 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: and What and Book or T Washington and and think 317 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: about what lessons we can learn from that, we need 318 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: to be able to use trade as well as academic 319 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: pathways to success in a way that is going to 320 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: remove a lot of the pressures that come from having 321 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: to take the only pathway to success that our community 322 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: has largely blobbed, one to which is making white people 323 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: comfortable enough to work in these spaces. We need trades. 324 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: We need black plumbers. Right now, I could be making 325 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: six figures as a plumber, but I was told I 326 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: needed to master these particular skills. I'm glad I did. 327 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: I'm glad I went to law school. I'd be a 328 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: terrible plumber. But the reality is there's economic freedom in 329 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: the trades. There's economic freedom and vocational pathways. We don't 330 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: all need to go to college. All of us are 331 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: not going to go to college. I want my children 332 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: to go yes. I hope they do go Yes, But 333 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: I have to recognize that we are living in an 334 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: environment where we need both and it's not an either or, 335 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: and we have to be able to recognize that there 336 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: must be multiple pathways to success for our community, because frankly, 337 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: not all of these pathways are large enough to hold 338 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: all of the genius that we have. And that's not 339 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: the question that WB the Boars had an issue with. 340 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: His issue with book Roon. You know, this was he 341 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: felt that he was very powerful, he had the ear, 342 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: he had the available to communicate and said we can 343 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: do more. He he presented an example that's all we 344 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: could do. All we can do is work with our hands. 345 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: That was a struggle and that was the issue that 346 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: he had in hand. And I don't want to you know, 347 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: this interview has more to talk about than book with 348 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: something that happened many years ago. But I do want 349 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: to make comment on something that you talked about your 350 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: two VP Prayans at the Brain, who had never met. 351 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 1: They were talking about too many black people. In nineteen 352 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: and six, I was still working with at IBM and 353 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: as an executive and that was the same statement we 354 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: will make in the eighty six. And it's really tragic 355 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: that thirty or four years later in the conversation with you, 356 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: I'm he's having the same and he's their VPS. And 357 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: so that means that within the corporate structure, the way 358 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: you walk is still hasn't changed, because we would say, 359 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 1: you know, jokes like you know, five black people together, 360 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: that's a basketball team. You know, held up your brother, 361 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,239 Speaker 1: you need to you need to talk to pass at 362 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: the same time, don't slow down, don't go to the 363 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 1: bathroom at the same time. All those statements we made 364 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: in the eighty six are being still being made today. 365 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: But then we see that the white people are the 366 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 1: white person feels they're becoming a minority, and so now 367 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: they're troubled by this, and their trouble will die. The 368 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: words like councel culture when you talk about removing Confederate 369 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: flags and so you you know, you executive director for 370 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: Law and Social Justice, when you look at council culture 371 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: being tied to the Confederacy removal the flags, and we 372 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: see people walk around here tearing down bills and putting 373 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: up Confederate flags and want to keep them on their car. 374 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: Where do you stand and how does that make you feel? Well? 375 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: You know, I believe that people use every opportunity that 376 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: they can to show you who they really are. And 377 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: when that happens, as the Great Maya Angelou and others 378 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 1: have said, we should believe them right and we gotta 379 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: remember the Confederate flag really was came back into American 380 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: popular culture as a response to the civil rights movements, 381 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 1: which were fighting for freedom for black people. They didn't, 382 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 1: you know, pop up spring up right after the Civil War. 383 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: We really see them coming back to assist the growth 384 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: of groups in the early nineteen hundreds, like the Daughters 385 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: of the Confederacy, like the ku Klux Klan. We see 386 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: these Confederate statues going up in in states that had 387 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: no action to the Confederacy, some places that weren't even 388 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 1: in existence when there was the Civil War. Uh, Some 389 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: states that weren't in existence and when there was a 390 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: Civil war. Yet they're putting up these Confederate statues and 391 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: monuments not as an ode to history, all history, but 392 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: as an old to a particular angle of history. Um 393 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: and as a way of centering. Uh. And then you know, 394 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: we call it the Southern heritage. Yes, Southern heritage, which 395 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: was centered on the preservation of slavery and the preservation 396 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 1: of the social hierarchy um, which allowed slavery to continue. 397 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: So we often think about slavery in terms of free labor, 398 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: which it absolutely was, but slavery was also about the 399 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: social status that white people held in a superior position 400 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: over black people in an inferior position. So when it 401 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 1: comes to cancel culture, you know, I'm a believer that 402 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: cancel culture is really just people recognizing that there are 403 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 1: sometimes you have to be accountable for the things that 404 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: you said, and there are people out there who agree 405 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: or disagree, and if they disagree, they are no longer 406 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: required to pay you attention. Um. And so I think 407 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: that we should apply that same thing, uh to cancel culture, 408 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 1: or to the Confederacy and and the Confederate flag, which 409 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: we are now seeing waving everywhere, including from inside the 410 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: Capitol building, which is quite a feat considering the rebels 411 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: themselves were not able to accomplish that. Absolutely. Now, when 412 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: we've talked about moving head and look at the inauguration 413 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: coming up um January twenty and you look at so 414 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: much that has happened in from the standpoint of HBCUs, 415 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: I guess being recognized because of the donations that have 416 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: come their way Finally people feel their academic institutions and 417 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: maybe they won't sit around and talking about do we 418 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 1: should we send money over there? What are they doing 419 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: over there? They're educating the best students and corporate leaders 420 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: in America. That's what they're doing at HBC Games. Now, 421 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: when I talk about the inauguration and you know what, 422 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to Kamala Harris and her role you're in 423 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: African American female? How do you put all this in perspective, 424 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: Miss Daniel Favors. You know, it's interesting because I often 425 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 1: have conversations with my friends. You know, we are now parents, right, 426 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: so we all have kids, and we're having these conversations 427 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: about where we want to see our children go to school. 428 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: And I've noticed a shift whereas at one point I 429 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: had a lot of friends who, you know, would sail. 430 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: I would like for my kids to, you know, to 431 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: at least interview at an HBCU. They should do a tour. 432 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 1: But you know the p W I is gonna prepare 433 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: you for real life, right, you know, I want them 434 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 1: to go to a predominantly wide institution because that's where 435 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: they're gonna really learn how to get along. They're gonna 436 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: learn how to apply the skills in the real world. 437 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 1: And I think that Vice President elect Kamala Harris HBCU 438 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: GRAB UH, newly elected Democrat UH Senator from the state 439 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: of Georgia, Raphael Warnock HBCU GRAB, the Queen of the South, 440 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 1: Stacy Abrams HBCU grad. I think these three folks and 441 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 1: so many more have completely put to death the lie 442 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: that an HBCU is not a healthy space for black 443 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: children to be educated. And so, you know, I am 444 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: thrilled about this shift in conversation, this paradigm shift. You know, 445 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: I I want I Oh my god, I want to 446 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: go to HBCU. So but ever since school days in 447 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 1: a different world, like what child growing up in the 448 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: eighties did not want to go to hbc U. I 449 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: couldn't afford one, and p WIS gave me scholarship money, 450 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: which is where I went, Which is kind of how 451 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: we see a lot of these things happening. So, you know, 452 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: you mentioned the donations that these colleges are getting. I 453 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: am so excited about what this means for expanding opportunities 454 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: for scholarship for black students. And I think that we're 455 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 1: seeing an increase in in donations to HBCUs from alum 456 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,239 Speaker 1: and from those of us who were just looking from 457 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: the outside, looking in wave and wishing we could have 458 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: got in, but recognizing the value of the institution. I 459 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: don't donate to my alma mater, my undergrad I donate 460 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 1: to HBCUs Um. And so I think that we are 461 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: seeing a real shift in an understanding about the importance 462 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 1: of centering ourselves, centering our discourse. And you know, even 463 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: our conversation earlier about the boys versus Washington, we have 464 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: there's so much excellence, and we have to have a 465 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: critical eye towards how we're are moving and informed by history. 466 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,239 Speaker 1: So we can look back and say, I understand what 467 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: the elder was doing. The elder was wrong in this 468 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 1: particular instance, but here's the nugget I can take out 469 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 1: of what he or she was advocating for, and here's 470 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: how we can plant that seed and water it differently, 471 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: and nurture it differently and produce a different kind of tree. 472 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: And I think that what we're seeing right now. You know, 473 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: I believe firmly in the principle of sun Cofa, which 474 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: is a West African principle that says, are it really 475 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 1: speaks to the point of beneath our history being centered 476 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: and revered because it informs our present and it lays 477 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: the pathways for us going forward. And the paradigm shift 478 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: that we are having right now is grounded on a 479 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: recognition that our past is our present. What we saw 480 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: happening in Washington, d c U during the certification of 481 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: the vote, that is America's history front and center in 482 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: the present. And so we right now have a phenomenal 483 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: opportunity to center ourselves differently. We've got fifty seven years 484 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: of integrated American history that we can factor into our analysis. 485 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: That was data that our early ancestors and newly freed 486 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: enslaved persons didn't have. What can we do with this information, 487 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: What can we do with the expectations that we have now, 488 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: and how do we ensure that we're creating a different 489 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: set of opportunities for our children. I think that conversation 490 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: is wide open, and I am I'm so excited to 491 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: have Senator or Vice President Alex Kamala Harris sort of 492 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: the symbol of that, because it really does mean that 493 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: we can now begin thinking in different ways about not 494 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: only what is power, but how we choose to access 495 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: it and what pathways we choose to get there. She's 496 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: an activist, she's a radio hope, she's an author, she's 497 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: an attorney. You know the great thing about when I 498 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 1: when I look at your plan, First of all, I 499 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: love you to I'm a fan. Okay, thank you animation 500 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: your animated behave told I was like, you know, I'm like, 501 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: I'm almost watching you morph into an animated because you 502 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: just so passion. But then you deliver it with such 503 00:24:54,400 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 1: a informed information. So I'm really usually talk a lot more. Well, 504 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: let me just enjoy listening to you talk with les. 505 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 1: They say you're spinning fire with information at Tattoo, and 506 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna break in with the water holes and 507 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: drop all that knowledge with some ignorance just because I 508 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: feel like talking. You're especial, young lady. I'm glad. I 509 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: hope you consider coming back on the show because I'm 510 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: trying to create a vorcee for HBCU. I'm trying to 511 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: create a vorce for black people, a platform where they 512 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: can come and speak and realize that you are starved. 513 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: Not so much that you know that the dessert Washington started. 514 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: You know, you are the new stars the people who 515 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: the people who are moving information, the people who are 516 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 1: moving values. That's why it was really fun to have 517 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: a really soft debate with you about book at Washington, 518 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: w B the boards. I'm gonna I know you not 519 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: you don't have that much of that often because I 520 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: realized that that's when I go back, when I talk 521 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: about people who set information for you. I didn't find 522 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,719 Speaker 1: that out until I about Book of d Washington all 523 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: later in life, because people were delivering information that they 524 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: felt was valuable to you now as you and that's 525 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: all you learn, and at American studies, information is and 526 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: I will tell you this, I was brought to tears 527 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: when I realized what I didn't know and what I 528 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: was denied. I was denied an opportunity to learn history 529 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: because if you look at history that they teach you 530 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: in traditional white schools, they're all white schools, so just 531 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: you and you're under education. It's about they brought us 532 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: over the enslavers, they let us go free. Then they 533 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 1: then they drop all they jump past the Jim Crow 534 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: and all that violence they did when we had an 535 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: opportunity to see. Then we get up to brown versus 536 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: the Board of Education. Then we go to I had 537 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: a dream spreech then we do the civil rights vote 538 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: and that then Martin Luther King assassination and they started 539 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: talking about black people. That's it. Let's start talking about 540 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: black people. And that's what we have to do now, 541 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 1: is talk about black people, talk about why we have 542 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: a right, and we start talking about law and social justice. 543 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: You for your leader, and I just wanted to bring 544 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: on the show and introduced with Sean McDonald to your 545 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: world and let you know I'm a fan and your 546 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: special young lady. Thank you, sir. That means a lot. 547 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: I very much appreciate it. I am honored to sit 548 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: in this space. You have interviews and had conversations with 549 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: some of the most phenomenal people in our community, and 550 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: so it is it's such an honor for me to 551 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 1: be here, and I cannot thank you enough. I'm very 552 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 1: grateful and appreciative. Well, we'll talking soon. Like I said, 553 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 1: this world is not going to change, hopefully it's not 554 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: by words. But we still have a COVID nineteen out there. 555 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: We still have issues on how black people gonna accept 556 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: forms of vaccination because you again, you know we're gonna 557 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: be last. Even though we were overtly effect. I'll still 558 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: be overtly affective by COVID nineteen. But more importantly, January 559 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,239 Speaker 1: Twinnia is going to change another lane. We had, you know, 560 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: President Obama when he came in. You know, they blocked 561 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 1: a lot of things that he wanted to do. And 562 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 1: he still gets shade because they feel like he didn't 563 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 1: do enough. But that's because people didn't know how converence work, 564 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 1: how to send it worked. But with Joe Biden having 565 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: a fifty fifty in the Senate, we already know. Guess 566 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: who could break that type breaker a black woman. Come 567 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: on with that, come on that. Thank you for coming 568 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: on the show, but thank you for having me. God, 569 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: letsn't have a great weekend. And you talk We talked 570 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:05,719 Speaker 1: to you too soon. If you want to hear more 571 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,120 Speaker 1: money making conversations, please go in to Money Making Conversation 572 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: dot com. I'm with Sean MacDonald. 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