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Speaker 2: twenty five in the official World Golf rankings. Former North
Speaker 2: Carolina star has kind of broke out and he's one
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Speaker 2: All right, let's get to Ryan Gerard. All right, Ryan
Speaker 2: h you had a video the PGA Tour came to
Speaker 2: your house or I don't know if it's a house
Speaker 2: or apartment in South Florida, and it went viral and
Speaker 2: it was mainly for the things that aren't in it,
Speaker 2: like like a table. I'd say it was spartan on
Speaker 2: cooking utensils. It was heavy on TVs and golf stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm curious if the house was on fire and you
Speaker 2: could only grab one thing, not your your golf clubs
Speaker 2: don't count. Your golf clubs do not count. You can't
Speaker 2: grab your golf clubs. What's the thing that you're saving
Speaker 2: from that house.
Speaker 1: That's a really good question. I probably gotta go Samurai sword.
Speaker 1: Probably gotta go Samurai sword that I I smuggled back
Speaker 1: in the country from Japan. Uh I think I think
Speaker 1: that one, you know, because that's a twofold because if
Speaker 1: you're standing on the street when your house is on fire,
Speaker 1: you at least have something to protect yourself with, just
Speaker 1: a case someone rolls up. So no, I think a house,
Speaker 1: a house for twenty six year old dude doesn't really
Speaker 1: need a lot of decorations, just you know, strictly utilitarian
Speaker 1: and maybe some fun stuff sprinkled in there. So that's
Speaker 1: that's kind of the vibe that we were going for.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure in the future that will change, uh,
Speaker 1: But you know, while while we're young, we might as
Speaker 1: well have some fun with it and throwing some golf stuff,
Speaker 1: have some have some cool, cool memorabilia kind of put
Speaker 1: around the place, and yeah, we're just enjoying it.
Speaker 2: When I wrote this question down, I was hoping that
Speaker 2: the sword was going to be the answer. You have,
Speaker 2: like you just like trading games out out in the
Speaker 2: living room. Is there anything about the house set up
Speaker 2: that you think has helped you improve as a golfer?
Speaker 1: No, Like, maybe just the fact that I'm there and
Speaker 1: there's putting greens on the ground and putting mats everywhere,
Speaker 1: and we got training aids and stuff. So like you're
Speaker 1: almost like thinking about it, kind of like you're going
Speaker 1: to bed and you're hitting putts before bed, or you
Speaker 1: wake over in the morning and it's raining and you
Speaker 1: don't want to go to the course because the rainings
Speaker 1: you're hitting puts inside. But I don't think there's anything
Speaker 1: like in particular that's been like, yeah, like I'm crediting
Speaker 1: like two shots this year to this specific training aid.
Speaker 1: I think for the most part, it's just been like,
Speaker 1: you know, it kind of just kind of keeps the
Speaker 1: vibe light. One of my roommates plays on the corn
Speaker 1: Ferry Tour, so we kind of have a good you know,
Speaker 1: watch watch the NBA game or the the football game
Speaker 1: late at night kind of on one TV, still hitting putts,
Speaker 1: kind of testing things out, looking talking shop. So I
Speaker 1: think that's kind of more more the vibe that we're
Speaker 1: going for is if you're constantly thinking about golf, which
Speaker 1: I am. I'm sure most people are, you end up
Speaker 1: just like getting mental reps in and then it translates
Speaker 1: to good play. Hopefully that's that's what we're going for.
Speaker 2: At least, I feel like the South Florida, you know,
Speaker 2: pro golfer roommate situation is pretty common. I would say
Speaker 2: most listeners probably aren't aware necessarily of this or lived
Speaker 2: in a situation where like you and someone else are
Speaker 2: are literally trying to, you know, crack the top you
Speaker 2: know fifty, you've already cracked the top twenty five of
Speaker 2: the world, And what are your conversations mostly about when
Speaker 2: you guys are actually there at the same time.
Speaker 1: A lot of it's like just stupid shit, Like it's
Speaker 1: not we're not talking like legitimate strategy. But you know,
Speaker 1: if you if you have someone like Austin Hitlers with me,
Speaker 1: he's on the Cornferry Tour. He's been playing solid this year,
Speaker 1: but like, do you have someone that you could talk about, like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: like what do you think about this very specific shot
Speaker 1: at this point in time in the tournament? Like you know,
Speaker 1: downhill lie slightly kind of sketchy, Like I think it's
Speaker 1: going to come out lower because you know, there's not
Speaker 1: a lot of friction between the ball and the and
Speaker 1: the turf and slightly downhill, so it's gonna come out
Speaker 1: with less spin. And I'm trying to take on this
Speaker 1: front pin, like do you go hard at an eight
Speaker 1: or do you kind of trying two fingers of seven
Speaker 1: in there with a little cut like just like super nerdy,
Speaker 1: like into the into the weeds. Details that I'm lucky
Speaker 1: enough to have someone that I can like just bounce
Speaker 1: ideas off and say way vice versas. So I'd say
Speaker 1: from that that standpoint, it helps. But like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: we hang out all the time, we play golf all
Speaker 1: the time. Uh, when we're both in town, we're eating dinner.
Speaker 1: It's just it's kind of feeling like golf can be
Speaker 1: a lonely game sometimes when it's just you and your
Speaker 1: team out there, but it kind of feels like you
Speaker 1: have someone almost like a teammate at times to just
Speaker 1: kind of roll with you, kind of go through the
Speaker 1: the monotony and the grind a little bit and try
Speaker 1: and kind of push each other to become the best
Speaker 1: that you can be at your craft. Well you know,
Speaker 1: still trying to beat each other.
Speaker 2: So, uh, something about you that caught my attention this
Speaker 2: year was you you were talking about the scott the
Speaker 2: shot that you got obsessed with after playing with Scottie Scheffler.
Speaker 2: Could you describe the shot that that he had, this
Speaker 2: weapon that he has that then you you know, kind
Speaker 2: of maniacally pursued for the next month and went in
Speaker 2: the moment of like, hey, I can actually hit this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'd say I'll go even further back
Speaker 1: for some of the some of the real kind of
Speaker 1: super super golf junkies. I played a college event with
Speaker 1: Matt Wolf in twenty nineteen and he hit this bunker
Speaker 1: shot where he got his hands so low and kind
Speaker 1: of just like kept speed up that the ball went
Speaker 1: straight in the air. And like, I spent probably the
Speaker 1: better part of three weeks trying to figure out how
Speaker 1: to get a ball to land that soft for the
Speaker 1: bunker shot. And obviously the way that he delivers the
Speaker 1: club into the ball allowed him to do that better
Speaker 1: than I could just with my swing path. But it
Speaker 1: kind of taught me that, you know, do you see
Speaker 1: someone do something, it may not necessarily be for you,
Speaker 1: but there's a reason and why learning how to do
Speaker 1: that or being able to replicate something similar is important.
Speaker 1: So I was playing with Scottie the final round in
Speaker 1: Houston last year, and I think he shot like sixty
Speaker 1: two and I know, up finishing second, just you know,
Speaker 1: very average for him apparently, but he's hitting some shots
Speaker 1: that you know, if I hit a nine iron and
Speaker 1: he might be hitting seven iron, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I just know that that's he's not too clubs shorter
Speaker 1: than me. But just the way in which that he
Speaker 1: went about hitting some of these off speed shots, they
Speaker 1: almost seem to go just as high, if not a
Speaker 1: little higher than like a stock one, and the way
Speaker 1: they land is like super soft. But he can control
Speaker 1: distance with those like incredibly well, which is is very
Speaker 1: rare because when you normally hit an off speed shot
Speaker 1: or the way that I was taught, you know, you
Speaker 1: choke down or you kind of like finish low through it,
Speaker 1: and it's almost more of a punch than it is
Speaker 1: like just like a smooth full swing. And whenever you
Speaker 1: take speed off, it's it's really hard to get the
Speaker 1: ball in the air. And the reason why that becomes
Speaker 1: a up and for him is when you go play
Speaker 1: a US Open or Players or somewhere where the greens
Speaker 1: are really firm and pins are tucked really tight, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, when you have an in between shot,
Speaker 1: he has a much larger area that he can land
Speaker 1: that golf ball in and have it stay kind of
Speaker 1: where he's looking than someone who's landing a lower trajectory
Speaker 1: flighted shot into a green. Not to say Scotty can't
Speaker 1: hit the lower shot, like I think he's probably better
Speaker 1: at hitting the lower shots than those guys. Not everyone is,
Speaker 1: But I went about trying to figure out how I
Speaker 1: could seemingly replicate kind of that shot, and for me,
Speaker 1: it was a feel that I found where it's a
Speaker 1: slight choke down, slight ball for it in the stance
Speaker 1: and you kind of feel like you're really smooth like
Speaker 1: into the ball and then I'm speeding up like right
Speaker 1: when I get to impact, and just like keeping the
Speaker 1: hands high through it. And it it worked for a
Speaker 1: bit for me. I don't think it's been as consistent
Speaker 1: as I want it to be, and I'm sure it's
Speaker 1: something that I need to work at more, but kind
Speaker 1: of when you get into the season and there's so
Speaker 1: much going on that I'm not really working on individual shots.
Speaker 1: I'm more just trying to encapsulate the game as a
Speaker 1: whole and make sure things are as sharp as possible
Speaker 1: on a week week basis that it's kind of felt
Speaker 1: with the cracks, but I think that's one of a
Speaker 1: couple of things that I'm to be looking at this
Speaker 1: offseason of how to kind of incorporate that into my
Speaker 1: repertoire a little bit more consistently, because when you want
Speaker 1: to hit a six iron one hundred and thirty feet
Speaker 1: in the air, you know, it's it's a really really
Speaker 1: hard task unless factors are lining up perfectly, and just
Speaker 1: to have that on a moment's notice when you need it,
Speaker 1: when it pins tucked or you know, green skit firm,
Speaker 1: or things are running away from you, it gets super
Speaker 1: down winding. You got to just twice one up there.
Speaker 1: It can make It can make all the difference in
Speaker 1: the world.
Speaker 2: I found it fascinating, you know obviously, like I think
Speaker 2: so many times you hear players of your ilk talk about, oh,
Speaker 2: like you know, it's just a day, I got a
Speaker 2: lot of bad numbers, and you know, it's like kind
Speaker 2: of what you were talking about, where you're in between
Speaker 2: a lot of clubs and it's hard to get up
Speaker 2: pins because the ball's coming in a little bit flatter
Speaker 2: because you might be taking speed off or you're trying
Speaker 2: to muscle something. And like the idea of Scottie, you know,
Speaker 2: being you know at the top or near the top
Speaker 2: of every year an iron player, and it makes it
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, that's how he gets at all these
Speaker 2: pins because he could still hit these irons at a
Speaker 2: high level, you know, launch them high landhom sooft even
Speaker 2: if he's in between clubs. You seem like you're kind
Speaker 2: of a very astute spectator while you're inside the ropes.
Speaker 2: Is there if I said, you know, what's one thing
Speaker 2: that one guy on tour does that you're just always
Speaker 2: amazed about? Is there something that comes to mind?
Speaker 1: I mean, jason days chipping is unfathomably good. I mean
Speaker 1: I could say the same about Danny McCarthy's putting. I've
Speaker 1: watched Denny put the eyes out of it, and then
Speaker 1: I've also listened to him talk at a clinic about
Speaker 1: how he putts, and for the life of me, I
Speaker 1: don't understand a single word that he's saying, but he
Speaker 1: just rolls the crap out of it. But I played
Speaker 1: with Jason a bunch this year, and he is probably
Speaker 1: the most creative player when it comes to chipping, pitching,
Speaker 1: bunker shots, stuff like that. And it's and it's because
Speaker 1: he feels so confident and where he's going to land
Speaker 1: the ball, Like he feels like he's got his landing
Speaker 1: spot so good that he's not afraid to try and
Speaker 1: flop one over a bunker and land it in a
Speaker 1: strip of fringe that's eighteen inches wide to kill it,
Speaker 1: Like he knows he's going to hit it there. So
Speaker 1: you see him hit all these shots that are really
Speaker 1: cool or have different spins, different trajets and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And I mean I played with him at bay Hill
Speaker 1: this year. We were both shooting a billion on Thursday,
Speaker 1: and he was hitting it all over the lot and
Speaker 1: he was getting up and down. I mean he got
Speaker 1: up and down from like there's a bunker on fourteen
Speaker 1: at Bayhill, which is like not even in play, and
Speaker 1: he's not in the bunker. He's like in the left
Speaker 1: side of the bunker where there's a palm tree growing
Speaker 1: out of it. And he hits this perfect little shot
Speaker 1: and he hits it so good that he lands it
Speaker 1: like in a sprinkler head and it rolls out like
Speaker 1: ten feet further than it should have, and he had
Speaker 1: eight feet and it was like, dude, how so he
Speaker 1: If you ever just get a chance to go to
Speaker 1: a practice round, or if you ever had a master's
Speaker 1: practice round and you get a chance to watch Jason
Speaker 1: Day just get creative around the greens. It's it's special, man,
Speaker 1: It's really really cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember years ago, you know, when he was
Speaker 2: like number one player in the world, hearing stories of
Speaker 2: him in Palm Desert where you know, he would just
Speaker 2: spend like eight hours at a chipping green just hitting
Speaker 2: shots all you know, all different types of spins. Like
Speaker 2: like I watched a social video once of him talking
Speaker 2: about hitting like a like a cut lob, and I
Speaker 2: remember like at that point I was I was more
Speaker 2: in ner vein of like I was single, uh, and
Speaker 2: I like I was living in Chicago, and I remember
Speaker 2: I literally got in my car and like drove forty
Speaker 2: minutes to go practice chipping because like it was like,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm watching this video, I'm like, God, like
Speaker 2: I've got this all wrong. You know how it hit
Speaker 2: like certain shots he is it's amazing. Like I it's
Speaker 2: always going to be what if, like with the injuries
Speaker 2: and the vertigo and everything that he's kind of had
Speaker 2: to deal with because the short game in the putting
Speaker 2: was just so incredible and in its age so well.
Speaker 2: I read an article that I think you wrote. It
Speaker 2: was a golf digest my shot, and you were talking
Speaker 2: about like an early career and being down. You were
Speaker 2: in Panama and you were down to ten thousand dollars
Speaker 2: in your bank account. You didn't really have many sponsors,
Speaker 2: and you said, I knew something good had to happen
Speaker 2: and soon. I wanted to understand as a player, what's
Speaker 2: the feeling like when you know you're running out of
Speaker 2: money as a pro golfer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think I would clarify for everyone. Ten
Speaker 1: thousand dollars there was a lot of money. But when
Speaker 1: you're spending twenty five hundred to three thousand a week
Speaker 1: on the corn Ferry tour just to like survive and
Speaker 1: do it kind of as mid level of as a
Speaker 1: cost as you can while still giving yourself a chance
Speaker 1: to succeed, it does. It does go quickly. There's something
Speaker 1: that kind of like beats at you a little bit
Speaker 1: when you know that your back's up against the wall,
Speaker 1: and it kind of triggers a little bit of a
Speaker 1: fight or flight, But it also kind of like brings
Speaker 1: out that that dog in you a little bit, and
Speaker 1: you have to have it if you're going to be
Speaker 1: super successful in anything, but especially the competitive sport. In
Speaker 1: my opinion, because you know, when you get in it,
Speaker 1: you get a chance down the stretch to win a
Speaker 1: golf tournament. You get a chance to close something out,
Speaker 1: like you kind of have to eventually find a way
Speaker 1: to step on someone's throat and just do it and
Speaker 1: get it done. And I just remember being in I
Speaker 1: was sharing a hotel room with Andrew Cosin and Panama,
Speaker 1: and We're sitting there like, well, I got to go
Speaker 1: to Colombia next week and then I got to go
Speaker 1: to Argentina and Chile the weeks after, and those are
Speaker 1: aren't cheap flights, and I'm living in my parents guest room,
Speaker 1: and it was like one of those were all right, man, Well,
Speaker 1: I've worked my entire life twenty two twenty three years
Speaker 1: up until that point to like get into a moment
Speaker 1: where like, you're playing golf at the most competitive level
Speaker 1: that I could, which was Cornferry Tour, which is third
Speaker 1: best tour in the world. So I felt like I
Speaker 1: was in the right spot, doing the right things. It
Speaker 1: was just, hey, you got to take advantage of your
Speaker 1: opportunities when you get them. And I remember I went
Speaker 1: out and shot like sixty four in the first round.
Speaker 1: I was leading and I ended up making the cut.
Speaker 1: Didn't play great on Sunday, but got got enough confidence,
Speaker 1: got enough points and some cash to go the next
Speaker 1: week in Colombia and I don't finishing like third and
Speaker 1: it was kind of just I felt freed up for
Speaker 1: the rest of the year. But remember sitting in that
Speaker 1: hotel like split a hotel room that's ninety five dollars
Speaker 1: a night with another dude in a country where you
Speaker 1: know you're trying to find a buffalo wild wings down
Speaker 1: the road to get a decent meal that isn't crazy
Speaker 1: expensive or completely weird to me, And it kind of
Speaker 1: there's something romantic about, you know, going through a struggle
Speaker 1: to appreciate the things that you have, But at the
Speaker 1: same time, it really makes you want it even more
Speaker 1: because you're so close to that next level, which is
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour, but at the same time, you're so
Speaker 1: far away from being the top dog, and it just
Speaker 1: kind of eats at you to keep working and keep
Speaker 1: pushing and just make sure that when you have that
Speaker 1: chance to kind of give yourself that next step, that
Speaker 1: you're going to do everything in your power to take it.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like that experience sticks with you now
Speaker 2: you're top twenty five player in the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. I think you have to remember where you
Speaker 1: came from. You have to appreciate how you got there.
Speaker 1: And I'm super lucky that you know, things worked out
Speaker 1: for me at certain points, like I don't know, like
Speaker 1: the most important shot I ever hit in my career
Speaker 1: was probably a nothing gap wedge into a par five
Speaker 1: and the final hold of a PGA Tour Canada Q
Speaker 1: school like four years ago, so like that, I still
Speaker 1: remember that more than I remember shots at I don't know,
Speaker 1: US Open two years ago. But when you get to
Speaker 1: you know, the next level, then it's like, well, how
Speaker 1: do I get even further? And how and even further?
Speaker 1: And I'm sure even when you get to number one
Speaker 1: in the world there's still something that eats at those guys.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, how do I get better? How do
Speaker 1: I get better? I think that's something that's really cool
Speaker 1: about golf is there's no such thing as perfect. Like
Speaker 1: you can shoot fifty nine and still feel like Michael
Speaker 1: Kem probably still feels like he left a shot or
Speaker 1: two out there last week, and you just know that
Speaker 1: you want to get better, you want to push yourself,
Speaker 1: and just when you think you got to figure it out,
Speaker 1: I'll come kick you in the freaking face and you'll
Speaker 1: just have no chance, and you'll shoot seventy five and
Speaker 1: make no birdies in the final round of a major
Speaker 1: like I did two weeks ago, and all of a
Speaker 1: sudd and you're sitting there like, oh man, I thought
Speaker 1: I had it, but back to the drawing board. And
Speaker 1: I think that's what's humbling about this game, but also
Speaker 1: just really really awesome because everyone that goes through it
Speaker 1: on every different level feels the same way in one
Speaker 1: way or another. I mean, a ten handicap goes out
Speaker 1: there and stripes a seven iron, so you probably thinking
Speaker 1: about that for a week. I hit a really sick
Speaker 1: chip shot, I'm thinking about that same shot like two
Speaker 1: weeks from now. So we're all in the same boat.
Speaker 1: I'm just lucky enough that I have a bunch of
Speaker 1: time and resources I might dispose of to kind of
Speaker 1: do it as often as I can and just put
Speaker 1: a lot of effort into into the craft.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the pictures, the visual pictures. I mean, I feel
Speaker 2: like so much has happened for the re the just
Speaker 2: the regular golfer they you know, the greatest inspiration for
Speaker 2: all of them should be the Rory clip of him saying, God,
Speaker 2: I suck this. I suck at golf, Like why do
Speaker 2: I like? It's like everybody feels the same range of
Speaker 2: emotions and in a way, you guys, I think, like
Speaker 2: the thing I often tell like my friends is like,
Speaker 2: you know, the tour pros are actually like more frustrated
Speaker 2: and think they suck more than more than you know,
Speaker 2: the people that only play on the weekends.
Speaker 1: Dude, I probably call myself a loser like six times
Speaker 1: a day. And it's like not because I actually feel
Speaker 1: like I am, but it's just like that's what it
Speaker 1: does to you. Like the game is so frustrating, but
Speaker 1: that's why that's why I love it, Like I if
Speaker 1: it was easy, Like I get bored of it. And
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of why it captures my attention
Speaker 1: and probably capture you attention and millions and millions of people.
Speaker 1: Is you know, there's something so awesome about executing the
Speaker 1: perfect shot or hitting a great shot or making a
Speaker 1: birdie putt or making your first eagle or whatever it
Speaker 1: might be, that it just like it keeps you coming
Speaker 1: back and it's the same thing. It's like, man, like
Speaker 1: I made every part I looked at three days ago
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, dude's best feeling in the world, Like, dude,
Speaker 1: I can't wait to put so.
Speaker 2: And then the next day you probably will feel like
Speaker 2: you've never.
Speaker 1: Put yeah, And then the next day it's like I
Speaker 1: need to switch putters, Like this is stupid.
Speaker 2: Have you had like a moment where you you feel
Speaker 2: like that you made it or are you do you
Speaker 2: have you still not had that moment.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've made it because I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: I haven't done enough in this game to consider myself
Speaker 1: like someone that has made it, Like, yeah, I won
Speaker 1: an event, but it's still like unnerving when you get recognized,
Speaker 1: like in the airport sometimes, or you know, if I'm
Speaker 1: wearing a titleist hat out and about near my house,
Speaker 1: like there's a pretty good chance that's someone comes up
Speaker 1: to me. But I haven't made it because I've seen
Speaker 1: the guys that have made it, like kind of what
Speaker 1: their life is like, and it's a whole different world,
Speaker 1: and that's not necessarily like something I'm like super stoked about, Like,
Speaker 1: but I think that's what the money's for. That's what
Speaker 1: the the good play gets you and if you want
Speaker 1: to be, you know, at that level, you want to
Speaker 1: win majors, you want to compete at the highest echelon
Speaker 1: of the game. Like that's part of it, and you
Speaker 1: just got to take it in stride because at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, man, Like, there's so many people
Speaker 1: that are giving up their hard earned dollars to come
Speaker 1: see you in person, or giving up their time and
Speaker 1: putting effort in to turn on the TV to watch
Speaker 1: you play. Like that's that's all you could ask for,
Speaker 1: is someone to care about what you're doing. And that's
Speaker 1: that's pretty special. So I don't think there's a whole
Speaker 1: lot of people tuning in to see Ryan Gillard play
Speaker 1: every Thursday afternoon on PGA Tour Live. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know it's it is cool, man, because like
Speaker 1: we appreciate like more than people can imagine. Like, dude,
Speaker 1: I would be able to do this if people didn't
Speaker 1: care about professional golf as a as a whole. And
Speaker 1: I'm lucky enough that I have the best job in
Speaker 1: the world because of this.
Speaker 2: Your dad was a great player, he played professionally. Uh
Speaker 2: for a bit I saw on UH in that same
Speaker 2: Golf Digest article, What what benefit do you think your
Speaker 2: dad being a golfer and somebody that played at a
Speaker 2: high level play in your development.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my dad played. He played in college and then
Speaker 1: he turned pro and he played for a little bit
Speaker 1: and just kind of wasn't for him. Like he was
Speaker 1: better at, like you know, going and putting one hundred
Speaker 1: dollars in a pot and doing a winter take all
Speaker 1: than he was like trying to grind it out in
Speaker 1: a tournament. But I think, honestly, what what helped me
Speaker 1: is he had that mindset, like he knew how to
Speaker 1: get to that level. So he wasn't necessarily like easy
Speaker 1: on me. Like he was pretty hard on me when
Speaker 1: I was a kid because he knew that I had
Speaker 1: the desire to play well and that's all I wanted
Speaker 1: to do was going off for some play. But he
Speaker 1: instilled things like routine grip, putting a line that stick
Speaker 1: down on the range, just stupid stuff like that that
Speaker 1: when I was eight years old, I thought it was
Speaker 1: the dumbest thing ever because no one else was doing it.
Speaker 1: But when I look back now, like I rarely hit
Speaker 1: any sort of iron shot on the driving range without
Speaker 1: of alignment stick down, and like that's when my dad
Speaker 1: was saying to me eighteen years ago, and I thought
Speaker 1: he was stupid, but like, come to find out, he
Speaker 1: was really right. So I think just him being stubborn
Speaker 1: and being hard on me about those things that have
Speaker 1: like basically it's stilled the practice, the discipline, the mental
Speaker 1: kind of game a little bit, and just being a competitor,
Speaker 1: Like he didn't want to lose to me. We'd go
Speaker 1: out and play. That's all I want to do is
Speaker 1: go play golf of my dad. When I had a
Speaker 1: chance to, we'd go out and play, and he's like,
Speaker 1: do it his absolute best to not let me come
Speaker 1: close to beating him, until it was like he just couldn't,
Speaker 1: he couldn't be me anymore. But I think all those
Speaker 1: things that you grew up doing, Like I grew up
Speaker 1: because I want to spend time with my dad, but
Speaker 1: I grew up loving the game, and then I grew
Speaker 1: up understanding that it took a lot of effort, It
Speaker 1: took a lot of hard work, and then it also
Speaker 1: took you know, just luck and talent and intangible things
Speaker 1: that you can't really teach. And but it goes beyond that.
Speaker 1: You have to want it more than anyone else could
Speaker 1: want it for you, because if you don't want it,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how good you might be, Like you're
Speaker 1: never going to want to put in the amount of
Speaker 1: time or effort to make a worthwhile for everyone that's
Speaker 1: trying to get there with you.
Speaker 2: As you've kind of come up on the on the
Speaker 2: PGA tour and in the corn Ferry Tour, did you
Speaker 2: get any advice or messages from other players that that
Speaker 2: kind of stuck with you?
Speaker 1: Olan Brown Senior has given me some awesome, awesome tidbits.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's been a lot of guys that have
Speaker 1: been like super willing to help. And I think that's
Speaker 1: was surprising to me because you would think that as
Speaker 1: a competitor, you know, someone that you're not trying to
Speaker 1: gate keep young guys out, but like, hey, this is
Speaker 1: this is the job, Like I don't want to give
Speaker 1: someone an edge, But people have been like super thoughtful
Speaker 1: and super generous with their time to me. But something
Speaker 1: that Olin Brown Senior that stuck out to me as
Speaker 1: I was playing with them one day at Pedalist And
Speaker 1: the big things that he says are like put your
Speaker 1: phone down, like when you're out here it's time to work,
Speaker 1: Like cut off the distractions tournament week, you know you're
Speaker 1: playing good, you have three hundred missed text messages like
Speaker 1: get to a Monday, Like it's not it's not gonna
Speaker 1: hurt everyone if you wait two days. And I think
Speaker 1: the last thing is just like, if you're good enough
Speaker 1: to have gotten there with what you have, and you're
Speaker 1: good enough to be playing as well as you are
Speaker 1: with what you have, you're good enough to finish the job,
Speaker 1: or you're good enough to get to that next level.
Speaker 1: And I think that kind of goes hand in hand
Speaker 1: with you gotta work hard, you gotta you gotta be
Speaker 1: honest with yourself about where you stand. But you know,
Speaker 1: if you're on Sunday coming down the stretch of the
Speaker 1: back nine, but you've played good enough with what you
Speaker 1: have to get in that position, like you have what
Speaker 1: it takes to get it done. And I think some guys,
Speaker 1: the first couple of times they get in that situation,
Speaker 1: youll freaked out because you want it so bad that
Speaker 1: you're almost afraid of messing it up. I don't think
Speaker 1: people really fold because you know they don't know what
Speaker 1: they're doing, or they're losing it. It's because they want
Speaker 1: it so much that they're trying to do too much
Speaker 1: instead of not doing enough. And it's just something to
Speaker 1: kind of remember, is like, dude, if I played good
Speaker 1: enough to keep myself in this position, just keep doing
Speaker 1: what we've been doing because you know it's going to
Speaker 1: work out. And I think that's that stuck with me
Speaker 1: a lot, just in life, but also like trying to
Speaker 1: win golf tournaments is don't need to change anything just
Speaker 1: because there's three holes left, Like you've played sixty nine
Speaker 1: holes of great golf likes, so go keep making good swings.
Speaker 2: I think that's like, uh, it's incredible advice for golf obviously.
Speaker 2: I think like the you know notion of probably one
Speaker 2: of the harder things about the tour is like there's
Speaker 2: so many shiny new things everywhere you look, and the
Speaker 2: ability to do this, whether it's with your swing or
Speaker 2: your putting, or your short game or your equipment. How
Speaker 2: do you balance like trying new stuff with knowing what
Speaker 2: you got got you to at this point, top twenty
Speaker 2: five in the world.
Speaker 1: I think you're always looking to get better, and I
Speaker 1: think that's the kind of double edged short of having
Speaker 1: the world at your fingertips where I could go and
Speaker 1: ask for custom clubs, custom whatever, like it's really cool,
Speaker 1: Like it's awesome, and like the golf junkie and you
Speaker 1: was like, dude, well, what if you you know, what
Speaker 1: if we made this custom set of irons that had
Speaker 1: a little less offset and like you know, we had
Speaker 1: freeware on the leading edge so it got in the
Speaker 1: turf a little bit different and all like, yeah, it'd
Speaker 1: be awesome, like theoretically be sick and it would probably work,
Speaker 1: But you know, how much how much can I trust
Speaker 1: that that's that like those clubs that I've never hit
Speaker 1: in a single competitive round of golf, that have ever
Speaker 1: mattered in any way, shape or form, are going to
Speaker 1: be as good as the irons that I've been playing
Speaker 1: for four years. That when I pick the eight iron up,
Speaker 1: I know exactly what it's going to do. I know
Speaker 1: the numbers that it's going to fly with every different shot.
Speaker 1: Like you don't want to get lost in the process
Speaker 1: of trying to improve just for the sake of improvement,
Speaker 1: And like you could pick on guys like Bryson, who's
Speaker 1: probably gone down the rabbit hole so much that like
Speaker 1: they're looking at solving the equation with equipment instead of
Speaker 1: like marring golf swing and feel to what you have
Speaker 1: availed by your disposal. But for me, like if I
Speaker 1: find something great, I want to stick with it. But
Speaker 1: you do have to sometimes stay a long look in
Speaker 1: the mirror and be like this three iron is just
Speaker 1: not it. Like I, for the life of me, I
Speaker 1: don't know what it is. I've given a great shake.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm making good swings with nine of
Speaker 1: the other clubs. It's just like this one needs work.
Speaker 1: Or you know, I just cracked a three wood couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, Like, hey, like I have to be
Speaker 1: real particular with whatever is going to go replace. The
Speaker 1: new club is going to feel exactly how I want
Speaker 1: it to feel. And that's just part of it. Like
Speaker 1: you got to you got to be one hundred percent
Speaker 1: committed to whatever you're going to put in play in
Speaker 1: a tournament that that's the right club. And you can't
Speaker 1: get nine holes in and be like, oh dude, why
Speaker 1: did I pick this putter or why am I playing
Speaker 1: this wedge grind instead of this wedge grind? And I
Speaker 1: should have just stuck with whatever. But I think you
Speaker 1: do learn sooner rather than later that being comfortable over
Speaker 1: a ball is the most important thing. Like, if for
Speaker 1: some reason you put something down and you just don't
Speaker 1: feel comfortable over it, you're not going to be able
Speaker 1: to make a great swing out it, just because you're
Speaker 1: not putting yourself in a position to succeed from the
Speaker 1: get go. So I think a time, you know, does
Speaker 1: it look good? Does it feel good? Do I feel
Speaker 1: like I can hit a good job? And if I
Speaker 1: feel like I can hit a good job, I probably
Speaker 1: can't with this golf club. Despite if the numbers don't
Speaker 1: say that it's perfect for me or this one's better, whatnot.
Speaker 1: You have to truly believe that you can, otherwise you're
Speaker 1: probably not going to put a good golf swing on it.
Speaker 2: All right, let's take a quick break for some words
Speaker 2: from our partners. You had to break out your last year,
Speaker 2: you won the Barracuda and then you took a last
Speaker 2: minute flight or last minute entry to the Barisius Open
Speaker 2: to qualify for the Masters, which you achieved with a
Speaker 2: runner up. Finished there. This year you've kind of continued
Speaker 2: your ascension. You have three runner ups. I haven't fact
Speaker 2: checked this, but I'm just gonna assume that second to
Speaker 2: Scottie on tour of most second place finishes. How does
Speaker 2: it feel that like where you're having this great year,
Speaker 2: but I imagine you're you feel like you're a little
Speaker 2: frustrated you didn't get across the line. What does it
Speaker 2: feel like to fall short in an event like the Memorial?
Speaker 1: That sucks? Dude? I would say, you know, I'm probably
Speaker 1: as hard on myself as anyone really could be, and
Speaker 1: that's because I expect, you know, good results. Have put
Speaker 1: a lot of effort, I want it. I'm willing to
Speaker 1: put in the time to effort, the sacrifice, and at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I'm like probably one of
Speaker 1: the most competitive people that was out there. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it sucks like it's the fucking worst. Like I just,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm pissed that I couldn't get across the
Speaker 1: finish line, but I could hang my hat on the
Speaker 1: fact that I did everything that I could in all
Speaker 1: the moments to kind of hit golf shots down the stretch,
Speaker 1: execute under the gun. When I needed to make a
Speaker 1: putt on seventeen, I made a putt when I need
Speaker 1: to make a putt on eighteen. Of course, Platoff made
Speaker 1: the putt like I did so many good things and
Speaker 1: it just wasn't enough, which is almost worse because like
Speaker 1: it'd be easier to just point out like one stupid
Speaker 1: mistake that you made and be like, well, that's the reason.
Speaker 1: But I think it kind of just reaffirmed something to
Speaker 1: me that like seven two holes is so much golf,
Speaker 1: and sometimes you get hung up on what happened during
Speaker 1: a playoff or during the last six holes of the
Speaker 1: six holes of the golf tournament instead of you know, hey,
Speaker 1: I made a really really stupid decision on Friday morning
Speaker 1: and like made a boneheaded Bobie from the middle of
Speaker 1: the fairy of Little Ledge when you know that shot
Speaker 1: is is the difference maker at the end of the week,
Speaker 1: instead of you know, anything that you did on whole fifteen.
Speaker 1: So I think it just kind of, you know, it
Speaker 1: doesn't it eats at me in the way that I'm learning,
Speaker 1: I'm going to get better. It's it's making me work harder,
Speaker 1: it's making me more kind of like ready to get
Speaker 1: back out there. Like I want that feeling. I want
Speaker 1: that I want the ball in my hands in that situation.
Speaker 1: But like it's making we feel like I using all
Speaker 1: four rounds to be a little bit more. That's it particular.
Speaker 1: It is the word that I'm looking for with you know,
Speaker 1: shot seledge and stuff like that. You're not just kind
Speaker 1: of like not that anyone's really just like nailing it
Speaker 1: in on Thursday Friday, but you know, sometimes you just
Speaker 1: you played six weeks in a row and you're just tired,
Speaker 1: and you kind of fall asleep at the wheel of
Speaker 1: the third hole, and it's like whatever does matter, and
Speaker 1: it just kind of is a reminder to stay locked in,
Speaker 1: give every shot you're all and just kind of give
Speaker 1: everything complete focus when you're out there and really do
Speaker 1: the best that you can.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, interesting thing to think think about,
Speaker 2: like us people that work regular jobs, Like it's completely
Speaker 2: normal to have a day where you're just not feeling it,
Speaker 2: you know, does that happen on tour? Like you said,
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Like I I remember Friday Colonial I just woke up.
Speaker 1: I was feeling horrible and I have no idea what
Speaker 1: was going on. I shot like sixty four or sixty
Speaker 1: five in the first round. I was like first or
Speaker 1: second place went out, made birdie on the first couples
Speaker 1: went ou. I'm feeling better then, I like hit a
Speaker 1: ball five yards left of the fairway on three paced,
Speaker 1: the tree kicks forty yards left out of bounds, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just like don't want to be here
Speaker 1: right now, man, Like what are we doing? And yeah,
Speaker 1: you're just like, dude, this sucks. Like I feel like crap,
Speaker 1: it's one hundred degrees out before it or like there's
Speaker 1: not enough ice on this planet to like keep these
Speaker 1: coolers like from melting, and you just kind of you
Speaker 1: kind of have to dig deep and suck it up.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's like damn, Like I know ten thousand kids
Speaker 1: that would give their left arm for an opportunity to
Speaker 1: be where I am right now, And I know one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty guys on the corn Ferry tour that
Speaker 1: I want to come take my job if I just
Speaker 1: want to bow out just not not put an effort
Speaker 1: right now. So you kind of gotta just dig deep
Speaker 1: and go out there and try and execute. You know,
Speaker 1: just give whatever you have that day. You know some
Speaker 1: days you know it's not feeling great, not feeling great, putting,
Speaker 1: not feeling great, whatever, Just go give it whatever you
Speaker 1: have with what you have that day, and that's kind
Speaker 1: of all you can you know, not saying like it's
Speaker 1: going to be perfect, but just find a way to
Speaker 1: kind of be greasy and get in a hole sometimes.
Speaker 1: And I think some guys are really really good at
Speaker 1: doing that, like John Perry or Rookie He's really good
Speaker 1: and just get on like like a day that he's
Speaker 1: just like not having a good one and stuff like
Speaker 1: that's impressive. It's almost more impressive sometimes than a guy
Speaker 1: that's just like blacked out hitting everything where he wants to.
Speaker 1: It's like I did, he's just feeling it. But like
Speaker 1: someone turning a seventy two into a sixty nine when
Speaker 1: clearly it's just not going the layer. They're just not
Speaker 1: in a good spot physically or mentally. It's that's almost
Speaker 1: more impressive than really really really elital.
Speaker 2: I feel like if you like look at a basic level,
Speaker 2: like the difference between PGA Tour golf, like and then
Speaker 2: like the different like if you thought of it as
Speaker 2: like tiers of golfers all the way down to the
Speaker 2: corn ferries, just like who who shoots sometimes the best
Speaker 2: bad round?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's who's who's like C minus game
Speaker 1: is like the most consistent, right, Like you know, everyone
Speaker 1: can miss a cut. Everyone can shoot seventy five, but
Speaker 1: like you know, Xander Shoffley, when he shoots seventy one,
Speaker 1: it probably should be seventy three. He's just really good
Speaker 1: at shading two shots off. Like play with them Sunday
Speaker 1: at Augusta this year and he shot sixty eight and
Speaker 1: it looked like a seventy two the whole time, and
Speaker 1: it was just like, I felt like he didn't get
Speaker 1: anything out around and he turned it into something really
Speaker 1: solid on a day that was playing difficult. And that's
Speaker 1: super impressive, and that's why he's one of the best
Speaker 1: at what he does. You'll see guys on corn Ferry
Speaker 1: and America's Tour, many tours, and you know, hey, man,
Speaker 1: driver's just not there. We're still hitting drive and it's
Speaker 1: going sixty yards offline. We'll find it and we'll hit
Speaker 1: it again. It's like that that doesn't fly sometimes at
Speaker 1: the highest level. Sometimes you just got to find a
Speaker 1: way to get in the hole. Even if you know,
Speaker 1: even if your stats guy tells you can striver on
Speaker 1: the soul, dude, you got to make a decision in
Speaker 1: that moment. Three iron or four arm might be awesome,
Speaker 1: just like get let's just get it in the fair
Speaker 1: away figured out from there. And obviously, you know, some
Speaker 1: guys are really good at feeling you know, a shot
Speaker 1: or feeling good or stepping up to the plate executing
Speaker 1: something really spectacular. But it's the guys that can just
Speaker 1: kind of manage their misses, like they never really miss
Speaker 1: it in the wrong spot, They're just kind of missing
Speaker 1: it in the right spot all day. Like those are
Speaker 1: the guys that end up, you know, with really long,
Speaker 1: really successful careers.
Speaker 2: Do you think I I, you know, just spark something.
Speaker 2: Is there like an art to like really having a
Speaker 2: great feel of an event in a tournament and like
Speaker 2: when you need to push and when you need to
Speaker 2: just you know, is there is that an art in
Speaker 2: tournament golf.
Speaker 1: It's there's like an intangible momentum shift feel that some
Speaker 1: guys have when it comes to you know, stepping on
Speaker 1: the gas on like a Friday afternoon, Saturday afternoon, or
Speaker 1: you know, kind of finding a way to squeak in
Speaker 1: a mad cut, like like there are guys that just
Speaker 1: have that, and I think I'm I'm pretty good at that.
Speaker 1: But I'd say the biggest thing is, like, you know,
Speaker 1: for example, I've talked about this with my sports psychologists
Speaker 1: A decent amount if I just hit like a really
Speaker 1: bad shot or a make a really stupid three put
Speaker 1: or just something really ridiculous, or I'm upset, Like being
Speaker 1: pissed off is like a super power for me, Like
Speaker 1: I feel like the next shot that I hit is
Speaker 1: usually exactly what I want to do, and leaning into
Speaker 1: that being a little bit more aggressive when I have
Speaker 1: that feeling like not being stupid, but like, hey, like
Speaker 1: there's a couple of bunkers, Dude, hit driver, because like
Speaker 1: I'm going to hit it right where I'm like where
Speaker 1: I want to because I'm so frustrated with you know,
Speaker 1: a ball bouncing off a flagstick or this in a
Speaker 1: fore foot or whatever it might be, that I'm using
Speaker 1: all of that frustration and all that negative energy and
Speaker 1: it's just like I channel it somehow subconsciously into the
Speaker 1: next shot is always nine percent of the time it's
Speaker 1: right where I want it. So just understanding that I
Speaker 1: think some guys are really good at, you know, other things,
Speaker 1: but like I'd say, for me, that's kind of something
Speaker 1: that I've learned and something that I can kind of
Speaker 1: take advantage of. Obviously, it sucks because you have to
Speaker 1: play that in order to then use it.
Speaker 2: But you got to figure out how to get the urge, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, just but then you then you end up
Speaker 1: being grumpy the whole day, and that's not really what
Speaker 1: I want. So it's it's a it's a happy medium.
Speaker 1: But i'd say there's there's a there's an art. It's
Speaker 1: it's not really describable, but it is. You can see
Speaker 1: it on some guys faces, Like if you want, Patrick
Speaker 1: can't lay. You can see the look on his face
Speaker 1: when like it's time to kind of go. It's it's
Speaker 1: a different look. You can see it on like I
Speaker 1: guess Rory's like bouncey walk is probably something that a
Speaker 1: lot of people have noticed. Like that's like an interconfidence
Speaker 1: thing about like when he knows he's feeling it and
Speaker 1: it's go time, like that's what comes out. And it's
Speaker 1: just like he's probably not even thinking about it. It's
Speaker 1: just subconscious, but like that's how he that's how you
Speaker 1: can kind of tell.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I was watching The three m yesterday and
Speaker 2: I felt like, you know, it's just like you know,
Speaker 2: there's some puts didn't drop for him, but you could
Speaker 2: just see Scotty just go into like full flight in
Speaker 2: the back half of that round where he's just it's
Speaker 2: felt like he was just like a little bit more
Speaker 2: locked it off the tee, but then the approach shots
Speaker 2: he he zeros in. And you see this at Majors though,
Speaker 2: on like Friday afternoon, where he knows he has like
Speaker 2: opportunities to put the pedal down and distance himself and
Speaker 2: it becomes like does he make the putts coming in
Speaker 2: or not? And that's the difference, you know. It's just
Speaker 2: it's wild to be watching some players and just how
Speaker 2: they have just a knack for kind of working themselves
Speaker 2: up the board at certain times in tournaments.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Just yeah, Saturday at Quail PGA last year, Scottie,
Speaker 1: I'm standing on sixteen fairway. I watch him hit the
Speaker 1: one to two feet on fourteen and he makes the
Speaker 1: putt and then obviously like I don't see the shots
Speaker 1: until after, but like you hear everything that he's doing
Speaker 1: the whole way and it's like that is that's where
Speaker 1: he won. That golf tournament was Saturday afternoon. Just stepping
Speaker 1: on Saturday afternoon Eagle Birdie's eighteen, Like you can see
Speaker 1: the emotion, like that that more in that moment, and
Speaker 1: like that's that's why he's the world number one. But
Speaker 1: he's awesome at what he does. But that inate ability
Speaker 1: to just kind of like push that hard on a
Speaker 1: Saturday and just kind of like run through the finish line.
Speaker 1: Like running through the finish line is a really important skill,
Speaker 1: Like you don't want to collapse on eighteen, but just
Speaker 1: the way in which he did it on that day,
Speaker 1: like that one an golf tournament.
Speaker 2: And didn's so much what you know, what you've been
Speaker 2: talking about is like it's like this idea like running
Speaker 2: through the finish line. Like the natural inclination is to
Speaker 2: like protect, you know, and it's like I just have
Speaker 2: to get this to the house, but you know it's
Speaker 2: breaking through and running. I'm curious with you your experience.
Speaker 2: You know, you've obviously you've contended a ton of tour events.
Speaker 2: I would say this, this major, this the Open Championship,
Speaker 2: was your first like real in the cauldron moment in
Speaker 2: a major. You you were in the second to last
Speaker 2: group on Sunday, What was it? What were the feels
Speaker 2: like in a major versus a PGA tour event and
Speaker 2: and kind of that was obviously your first Links experience,
Speaker 2: tell us a little bit about about how that week felt,
Speaker 2: and and and in the weekend in particular.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Link's golf is so sick, like like
Speaker 3: we played I played Renaissance last year and it was
Speaker 3: just like it's cool, like but then you get to like.
Speaker 1: Burked out. It's like, oh, okay, this is this is real,
Speaker 1: Like this is real golf. And just kind of finding
Speaker 1: a way to navigate around bunkers as a hazard is
Speaker 1: like such a foreign concept to me as an American
Speaker 1: who's like playing ninety nine percent of his golf in
Speaker 1: like the United States, where the ball is just like
Speaker 1: point and shoot that you have to be like so
Speaker 1: considerate with your targets, but also like landing number off
Speaker 1: the tee, being seventy short of a bunker or sixty
Speaker 1: short of a bunker, or flying this one that staying
Speaker 1: short of this one, Like that's it's never something that
Speaker 1: we really think about on PGA Tour because the ball
Speaker 1: doesn't roll that much. And like if you hitt in
Speaker 1: a bunker, like yeah, it's a hazard, but like ninety
Speaker 1: five percent of time and be able to hit a
Speaker 1: seven iron out of there and be just fine. So
Speaker 1: I'd say like just kind of learning that understanding that
Speaker 1: being able to get really comfortable hitting off turf that
Speaker 1: that's is that firm, it doesn't really have that much
Speaker 1: grass on it. It's almost like kind of like compact
Speaker 1: dirt and spots like that's that's kind of a skill.
Speaker 1: You know, if you're shallow or you're kind of a
Speaker 1: little stuck, like it's just not a good combo for
Speaker 1: that kind of shot, Like you're just never going to
Speaker 1: be able to hit any consistency off that off that surface.
Speaker 1: But also like the balls just not gonna fly properly
Speaker 1: because you're gonna have debris in a way, or it's
Speaker 1: it's almost like hitting a chunky bunker shot. It's just
Speaker 1: not it's gonna it's gonna not spin. So I'd say
Speaker 1: it was lucky enough for me. It's like I felt
Speaker 1: like I was compressing it nicely and it kind of
Speaker 1: to can choose my spots and hit hit the shots
Speaker 1: the way I wanted to off there. But just yeah,
Speaker 1: being in the being in the hunt on Sunday, I
Speaker 1: felt like I was hitting good golf shots and kind
Speaker 1: of got to a spot where I felt like I
Speaker 1: need to push a little bit. This a short putt
Speaker 1: for birdie on nine, and just kind of gave myself
Speaker 1: some chances on the back nine and just made no birdies,
Speaker 1: which is really really brutal, but yeah, it's just it
Speaker 1: was cool being in spot. It was cool being with
Speaker 1: ci Wu, who was leading for a decent part of
Speaker 1: the afternoon there, and just done, Like, man, it's not
Speaker 1: that far off, like like I needed to put that,
Speaker 1: or I needed to get something in the hole, I
Speaker 1: needed to you know, clean up a few things, but
Speaker 1: like I was right there and I didn't really I
Speaker 1: really didn't feel like I had my a game at
Speaker 1: all all week. It was just kind of like I
Speaker 1: was just doing a really good job of managing this
Speaker 1: is strategically a place in the ball and just kind
Speaker 1: of when I had a chance, I would, you know,
Speaker 1: make a fifteen footer occasionally. So I felt really good
Speaker 1: about just the way that everything kind of came together,
Speaker 1: and it was a little bit of validation of like,
Speaker 1: you know, the things that you are working on at
Speaker 1: home in the gym mentally, like they are paying off,
Speaker 1: because I played a lot better off than that this
Speaker 1: year and I had a chance to kind of win
Speaker 1: coming down a stretching major.
Speaker 2: So it's you know, it's it's fascinating like majors, right,
Speaker 2: like the only one player wins. And I think something
Speaker 2: that has kind of become really evident this year and
Speaker 2: it's probably been evident so many other years, is you
Speaker 2: know with between Aaron Raye at the PGA and uh
Speaker 2: and Ryan fox at this year's Open, is like you
Speaker 2: have the battles getting yourself into a position where you
Speaker 2: can go out and play the nine of a lifetime
Speaker 2: and and and snag one of them, and you know,
Speaker 2: like you it had to be incredible to know you
Speaker 2: were just right there and if you hit you know
Speaker 2: a lot of great shots, it could have been you
Speaker 2: lifting the cleric.
Speaker 1: Yet yeah, I mean I think a lot of things
Speaker 1: would have to go my way and Foxy stepped up
Speaker 1: and executed awesome shots and awesome puts down the stretch.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think it. I mean, it just shows
Speaker 1: you that, like se'd like I played all four majors
Speaker 1: this year, it felt like we were playing Thursday in
Speaker 1: augusta two weeks ago. Like it's a very short compact
Speaker 1: period of time. They kind of fly by their there's
Speaker 1: so much noise and energy all of those weeks that
Speaker 1: you just kind of end up spending a lot more
Speaker 1: time than you think you're going to, like not doing
Speaker 1: just bs, but like there's so many more obligations, there's
Speaker 1: so much more logistical stuff that goes on, and you're
Speaker 1: just out there, you know, working hard, trying to make
Speaker 1: make sure that when you get to Thursday, you feel ready.
Speaker 1: You feel good about the golf course, you feel good
Speaker 1: about whether you're planning, feel so much sharp. But I think,
Speaker 1: you know, seeing that being in the mix, making a
Speaker 1: few cuts, you know, having having some later tea times
Speaker 1: on Sunday at Augusta and then at Birkedale, it kind
Speaker 1: of gives me a good feel for you know, how
Speaker 1: I want to go about things next year, like from
Speaker 1: a logistic standpoint, from a planning standpoint, from a planning
Speaker 1: the schedule around the major standpoint. I guess as like
Speaker 1: a first year playing all four of them, you know,
Speaker 1: you don't really know what you're getting into until you
Speaker 1: get into them. And now you can see why Adam
Speaker 1: Scott goes four days before tournament week to go play
Speaker 1: you know, Shinnacock for three days and then he takes
Speaker 1: a day off on Monday, like, guys have their own quirks,
Speaker 1: they have their things that they want to do, they
Speaker 1: have things that work for them. Some guys like playing
Speaker 1: the week before, some guys don't. And I'm starting to
Speaker 1: figure out what works best for me, and like how
Speaker 1: I can better incorporate my kind of schedule into how
Speaker 1: to prepare for those kind of bigger tournaments, because, like
Speaker 1: you said, there's only four of them, there's only one winner,
Speaker 1: and they need a heck of a lot more than
Speaker 1: everything else. So you got to go up and show
Speaker 1: up and be ready to buck, because you know, if
Speaker 1: you kind of lay an egg, it's like you're pissing
Speaker 1: away boned opportunity.
Speaker 2: You told my colleague Joseph Lamonia after Sunday at the Masters,
Speaker 2: I don't think my game the way it was this
Speaker 2: week was as prepared for the test of a Sunday
Speaker 2: at Augusta as I thought it was going to be.
Speaker 2: As you sit now done with all four majors, and
Speaker 2: reflect on that, what what what did you feel like
Speaker 2: you weren't really ready for?
Speaker 1: I played so good on Saturday at Augusta that I
Speaker 1: thought that I could just do the same thing on
Speaker 1: Sunday in different conditions and not have to change strategy
Speaker 1: at all and not whatever. I wasn't as sharp and
Speaker 1: that didn't lend itself to being successful. But you know,
Speaker 1: Saturday was gettable. It wasn't easy, but it was gettable.
Speaker 1: Sunday was not, and I didn't I didn't execute golf
Speaker 1: shots the way I needed to. But I also didn't
Speaker 1: put myself in a position to execute those shots because
Speaker 1: where I was looking off the tee or where I
Speaker 1: was looking into the green or some of the club selections,
Speaker 1: you know, I was almost playing for either of the
Speaker 1: perfect shot. And then once I didn't execute great shots
Speaker 1: early on that I was almost playing too safe because
Speaker 1: I was trying to just not mess up. And it's
Speaker 1: really hard to stand on twelve t at Augusta and
Speaker 1: not mess it up. It's not a fun feeling. And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I hit bad golf shots, because I
Speaker 1: don't think I hit bad golf shots. I just think
Speaker 1: the line at that golf course, in particular, when it
Speaker 1: gets firm, when pins are tucked, the line between really
Speaker 1: good and really bad is so thin, and once you
Speaker 1: kind of get on the wrong side of it, you
Speaker 1: start kind of pressing a little bit. Then you learn
Speaker 1: very quickly that that's not what you should do, but
Speaker 1: you're already so far behind the eight ball that kind
Speaker 1: of like struggling. So I would say those are all,
Speaker 1: you know, things that you kind of pick up and
Speaker 1: it's really hard to diagnose in the moment standing on
Speaker 1: eleven tea box when you're three or four over and
Speaker 1: be like, hey, we gotta, you know, do this. But
Speaker 1: I think I have enough experience now where if you
Speaker 1: put myself back into that situation, I can get it
Speaker 1: in the house a lot better. And it's it's just
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to say it's just experience, but at a
Speaker 1: certain point, like you have to learn it for yourself
Speaker 1: before you can kind of truly believe it. And you
Speaker 1: can listen to a million people talk about how to
Speaker 1: hit a golf shot, but until you go swing the
Speaker 1: club for yourself, like it's it's really really hard to understand,
Speaker 1: you know, exactly the intricacies of what you want to
Speaker 1: do in that moment. So I think that's why I
Speaker 1: didn't feel like I was prepared is because I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I wasn't sharp enough on Sunday, I wasn't My strategy
Speaker 1: wasn't good enough, I was playing too aggressive early, and
Speaker 1: then when things weren't going great early.
Speaker 4: I I deviated from the strategy and not to a
Speaker 4: better strategy, to a one that was worst, which was, hey,
Speaker 4: let's just play really safe and like not hit it
Speaker 4: in the water and make big numbers.
Speaker 1: Well, if you don't make big numbersup because you're gonna
Speaker 1: make bogies, those aren't fun either because those pile up.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was just a nice combination of things
Speaker 1: going on there.
Speaker 2: It's it's you know, it's amazing to hear a little bit,
Speaker 2: like you know, obviously the Augusta has a long history
Speaker 2: of like no no first time or winning since Fuzzy,
Speaker 2: and it's it's almost as like the golf course can
Speaker 2: to use a poker expression, it puts you on tilt
Speaker 2: almost quicker than anywhere else.
Speaker 1: It it puts you on tilt, but it also puts
Speaker 1: you in a position to to fail and like it's
Speaker 1: not a bad thing, but if you don't understand why
Speaker 1: you're hitting the shot to a certain spot, it's really
Speaker 1: hard to trust it. Like, you know, if you took
Speaker 1: I don't know, ped Scott's got probably the best record
Speaker 1: at Augusta or Stevie Williams. That's the best You took
Speaker 1: those guys out with the first timer. They could tell
Speaker 1: you to hit it exactly where you want to hit it.
Speaker 1: And there's a legendary caddy there, Steve Kling, He's fantastic.
Speaker 1: He could tell you exactly where to hit it. It's
Speaker 1: hard as a player to just trust that that's the shot,
Speaker 1: or that's the spot, or I'm standing over the wind,
Speaker 1: I'm sitting on the twelfth te I have no idea
Speaker 1: where the wind's coming from. It's blowing down wind on eleven,
Speaker 1: and it's blowing into the wind on thirteen, and it's
Speaker 1: colliding in the middle of somewhere. And for the life
Speaker 1: of me, the flag stick on eleven's going one way.
Speaker 1: The flag stick on twelve is going the other way.
Speaker 1: And how am I supposed to hit this one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty yard web shot to a really tight target
Speaker 1: having absolutely no idea what I'm doing? Do? I just
Speaker 1: hope because that doesn't feel like a good strategy. So
Speaker 1: then it's like, well, why don't we play safe? And
Speaker 1: it's like, well, then you hit in the back bunker,
Speaker 1: you hit the goalie long, and like those aren't great spots,
Speaker 1: or then you get aggressive on Sunday and you're like
Speaker 1: trying to put it to the middle of the green
Speaker 1: and you just kind of hit you dump it somewhere,
Speaker 1: Like those are like the easiest things in the world.
Speaker 1: Happened because you haven't been in the position to step
Speaker 1: up and have listened to Jack talk about it or
Speaker 1: Tiger talking. Oh, you just gotta have the middle of
Speaker 1: gring on twelve, dude, the middle of green is seven
Speaker 1: yards wide, Like it's not like it's just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: just hit the middle of the green. Oh yeah, just
Speaker 1: hit that parking lot, dude, Like it's it's tight, like
Speaker 1: it's tiny. So but just getting up there and trusting, like, hey,
Speaker 1: the wind on thirteen, that's the wind that I want it.
Speaker 1: That's the wind that I'm taking in consideration when I'm
Speaker 1: on that tee, Like you get you get so blindsided
Speaker 1: that you just play eleven down the hill and the
Speaker 1: pin on eleven's bowing the direction that's probably down off
Speaker 1: the left. On twelve teen, it's probably not down off
Speaker 1: the left. It's probably in off the right because that's
Speaker 1: where it's blowing on thirteen. And it just takes you
Speaker 1: time to try and figure it out. And even if
Speaker 1: it doesn't blow into the wind off the right on
Speaker 1: thirteen and you miss it right and it goes in
Speaker 1: the middle of green or whatever, you have to trust
Speaker 1: that the next time you get up on that T
Speaker 1: shot or on that box and have to hit that
Speaker 1: T shot, you have to trust something again. And that's
Speaker 1: kind of the magic of the place. But you know,
Speaker 1: there's no let up, there's no there's no sigh of relief.
Speaker 1: On the back nine. You can make a lot of
Speaker 1: Jodey's and eagles, like you can execute good golf thoughts,
Speaker 1: but the whole time it's like, I'm have the land
Speaker 1: this five iron on fifteen within fifteen feet at the
Speaker 1: front edge of this green. Otherwise it's going long, and
Speaker 1: long is not good. But landing within fifteen p to
Speaker 1: the front edge meets bringing in the front water and
Speaker 1: that's really not good. So what do you do? You
Speaker 1: do you bail out or do you step up and
Speaker 1: xpet the golf shot? So it's it's it's a magical place.
Speaker 1: It's special. You talk to guys who have been there
Speaker 1: for a while and they start to understand certain tendencies,
Speaker 1: But dude, it's there's it's hard to describe to first
Speaker 1: time or right me being the first time er, like
Speaker 1: how you're going to feel on certain shots because I
Speaker 1: can play a million practice rounds, But when I stand
Speaker 1: up on sixteen t on Sunday to a weird pin
Speaker 1: and wins there and you just walked off doing whatever
Speaker 1: you did on fifteen, and it's like this is not
Speaker 1: what I hit two weeks ago on a Tuesday. Like this,
Speaker 1: I was hitting seven iron, not nine iron, And it's
Speaker 1: greens are so much firmer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, trust, trust and commitment are the hardest things.
Speaker 2: Like I can't I think about this all the time.
Speaker 2: I was just thinking about this the other day after
Speaker 2: I played last week. I like, will go, I'll look
Speaker 2: at a shot, I'll look where the flag is, and
Speaker 2: then like if I have to hit over like a
Speaker 2: hill or a bunker, and I come back to the
Speaker 2: ball and I'm like standing over the ball and I
Speaker 2: like know, I know where I'm supposed to be aiming,
Speaker 2: but I like freak out and I'll be like, well,
Speaker 2: what if it moved? What if I got it wrong?
Speaker 2: Like what if you know? It's like it's like crazy
Speaker 2: stuff when you're playing golf, Like and what you definitely
Speaker 2: always do is you air to the side of safety,
Speaker 2: but there's a safety safe spot in your mind that
Speaker 2: you think is safe as oftentimes maybe even worse than
Speaker 2: if you just commit. You know, it's just a it's
Speaker 2: a wild game. The mental struggles of commitment and golfer
Speaker 2: just insane. It's like, and I feel like when you
Speaker 2: boil down, like when do I hit my bad shots?
Speaker 2: It almost always is when well, like that was the
Speaker 2: least committed swing that I made all day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you have to commit to it. And I
Speaker 1: think guys on the PGA Tour are really get at
Speaker 1: committing the shots, but it's so hard to trust, Like
Speaker 1: I can commit to it. But if I don't trust that,
Speaker 1: like I'm hitting the right golf club, I'm committed, then
Speaker 1: are you committed? Like if my caddie tells me, like,
Speaker 1: HiT's into the wind, I'm like, dude, so it's not.
Speaker 1: And then we're arguing about it, and then we come
Speaker 1: through a conclusion that it isn't to the wind. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter like whether or not we're right, It matters
Speaker 1: that there was so much thought that went into it,
Speaker 1: and there was confusion or we got a number wrong
Speaker 1: or whatever it might be that you're not as prepared
Speaker 1: to hit that golf shot as you would be if
Speaker 1: you just like walked up shot with a range finder
Speaker 1: and you just like striped it on like a Wednesday
Speaker 1: afternoon when you're playing in a car, Like you don't.
Speaker 1: I love you can't replicate that.
Speaker 2: I love how like every caddy player conversation, when it's
Speaker 2: a drawn out conversation, always has with the caddy being like,
Speaker 2: now trust it, trust it?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, what else are you gonna say, like
Speaker 5: a dude, Like, I don't know, man, just do whatever?
Speaker 5: Like and I think if you if you notice, like
Speaker 5: most really long caddy player combos, like they end up
Speaker 5: with the player picking with whatever they were going to
Speaker 5: start to with anyway, So it's like it's probably not
Speaker 5: the right club because a caddie very rarely will step
Speaker 5: in and say something if he thinks it's right, So
Speaker 5: like it probably already, you know, with the wrong club
Speaker 5: or the wrong number or the wrong ballflight, and then
Speaker 5: there's indecision and then you're standing over it and it's like, well, now.
Speaker 1: Trust it, Like, well, what else do you want me
Speaker 1: to do? Man? Do you want me to just wait?
Speaker 2: Here and for the caddy that the next twenty seconds
Speaker 2: are the most uncomfortable periods of their day where they're
Speaker 2: just hope praying that a good jock comes out.
Speaker 1: It's like, please just just middle the face. I don't
Speaker 1: really care what I said, just like, please middle the face.
Speaker 1: We can figure it out from around the screen.
Speaker 2: Let's get you out of here with some more lighthearted
Speaker 2: uh questions. If you so, if you could transport one
Speaker 2: course that you play on tour to your backyard. This
Speaker 2: is a question I've never asked, And that was the
Speaker 2: course that you got to like work on your game
Speaker 2: at the rest of your life, where that like you're
Speaker 2: playing there the rest of your life when you're just home.
Speaker 2: Which one would it be? And why? You know? And
Speaker 2: this is like not necessarily as course, but where where
Speaker 2: would you want to go work on your game?
Speaker 1: And that's really tough one. I think like the obvious
Speaker 1: answer is Quail Hollow, which I know there's probably some
Speaker 1: uproar from the the egg folks about being picking that
Speaker 1: golf course here.
Speaker 2: Everybody loves Quail Hollow. Everybody I talked to you loves
Speaker 2: Quail Hollow.
Speaker 1: But from a getting your game prepared to play at
Speaker 1: a high level on the PGA Tour and compete. That
Speaker 1: golf course kind of does it. The practicilities are great,
Speaker 1: The shots that you have to hit are great. You
Speaker 1: hit a lot of different clubs. You're not really hitting
Speaker 1: a lot of wedges. You're hitting some wedges, submit iron,
Speaker 1: some long irons, a lot of t shots with small
Speaker 1: clubs fixing in left to right, right to left. Like
Speaker 1: I think it might not be the most architecturally significant
Speaker 1: golf course on the PGA Tour, but I think it
Speaker 1: is something that forces you to test a lot of
Speaker 1: your skills and then it would probably prepare me well
Speaker 1: for majors, just like a fun one, like someplace that
Speaker 1: I wish was just in my backyard. Yokohama Country Club
Speaker 1: in Japan, the new one for the Bank Current. That
Speaker 1: place is sick. That place is unreal. I don't know
Speaker 1: what time it is in the US when we're playing there,
Speaker 1: but set it. Set an alarm because it's it's awesome.
Speaker 2: I uh, I'll never forget this for the rest of
Speaker 2: Joseph's career. I was in I was in his town
Speaker 2: of Austin last year and I was like, hey, man,
Speaker 2: do you want to go out to dinner and he's like, no,
Speaker 2: I got to watch the bake Current. It was like
Speaker 2: Thursday night. I was like, all right, sounds good. But
Speaker 2: the but I could see that with Quail Hollow because
Speaker 2: like the other thing about Quayle Hollow is like I
Speaker 2: feel like there's enough space off the tee where you
Speaker 2: would get confident with the driver, like you wouldn't want
Speaker 2: to play somewhere where like it's like, Okay, if I
Speaker 2: have a good day driving driving it, I might hit
Speaker 2: like seven fairways, you know, like you can like hit
Speaker 2: a lot of fairways and then you as you said,
Speaker 2: the variety into the green, all the different irons you hit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not picking Tory for that reason. I'm not
Speaker 1: picking heritage. I'm not picking Yeah, a.
Speaker 2: Couple of kicks your ass.
Speaker 1: I don't know if the members at Memorial even want
Speaker 1: to play Memorial that much, but like it's Quil feels
Speaker 1: like a really good middle ground where you can work
Speaker 1: on your game, hit a lot of different shots, and
Speaker 1: it would just it prepares. In my opinion, it's probably
Speaker 1: the best prep for like modern PGA Tour, high level
Speaker 1: major championship golf that you kind of have if you
Speaker 1: just can do that every day.
Speaker 2: What's been your favorite city on tour to visit.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go like US cities because like you can't
Speaker 1: like I can't say Cabo, I can't say Japan or
Speaker 1: something cool like that. Dude, It's like.
Speaker 2: Just stand at a resort.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great. Uh, you know, I really like I'm
Speaker 1: probably gonna do a lot of hate. I really like Hartford, Connecticut.
Speaker 1: The pizza is awesome. You can kind of just walk around.
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of there's not a lot of traffic.
Speaker 1: We don't we don't go to that many great cities. Uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Bring back the bring back the BMW
Speaker 1: to Chicago so we can go get deep dish.
Speaker 2: We got the You gotta just make the President's Cup team.
Speaker 2: Then you're you're in.
Speaker 1: We'll work on that.
Speaker 2: You're you're right on the doorstep. What was your favorite
Speaker 2: uh major host in twenty six and h which one
Speaker 2: of your most excited for in twenty seven? You've got
Speaker 2: a pressure on the twenty seventy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, give me please.
Speaker 2: So you got the Masters, You had PGA Frisco, which
Speaker 2: I'm sure some on the tip of your tongue. Uh,
Speaker 2: Pebble Beach in the old Course.
Speaker 1: Well, totally forgot that Frisco existed. Yeah, it's not gonna
Speaker 1: be that last I think, I think the old Course.
Speaker 1: I think the Old Course is probably said. I'm gonna say, hi,
Speaker 1: what's up?
Speaker 2: Joel?
Speaker 1: Can't hear anything you're saying in a lot of beerphones.
Speaker 6: But uh oh wait, this is the other fancy Andy,
Speaker 6: what's up?
Speaker 1: What do you guys? Hey? Friday Egg? Yeah, he's asking
Speaker 1: how the architecture is this week.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I haven't seen it. Looks cool. What
Speaker 2: did you think of it?
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. I do nothing. Are you excited
Speaker 1: for PGA Frisco next year? Please?
Speaker 6: Can't wait to be at Homewa washing another mature of
Speaker 6: my couch. I'm all dude, I can't wait for that
Speaker 6: challenge series. I could hang out with the old people
Speaker 6: and not dealing with guys like dr Ark.
Speaker 2: What do you guys think of the new setup?
Speaker 1: I don't know, obviously, seems okay. I don't really know
Speaker 1: what's going on.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: We're hoping for the three one three challenge this week.
Speaker 1: Someone do.
Speaker 2: Somebody's got to do it eventually, you know, well enough simulations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, three five or something like a thousand years.
Speaker 2: From now, we can do it. Well, you know that
Speaker 2: we had an undergrad uh in foremost that it costs
Speaker 2: like the insurance policy for it costs like like less
Speaker 2: than five hundred dollars a year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's impossible.
Speaker 6: The underwriters for like your local club championship with like
Speaker 6: a golf cart to win it is more expensive than
Speaker 6: the three ones retail is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but this could be the year. My favorite
Speaker 2: is like when the problem is the middle being the
Speaker 2: one it routed, You're never gonna get close, Like nobody's
Speaker 2: going to go three to one. But if it was,
Speaker 2: there's no one, I feel like you have one.
Speaker 1: Make it on sixteen. You're not making three on sixteen
Speaker 1: after you just make one a drama for it, You're right.
Speaker 6: And also guys like me who hit like normal, I
Speaker 6: can't even reach the part five to get there in two.
Speaker 2: So PJ says to the pod, you might feel running
Speaker 2: up there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, great, can't wait. My layup got easier. I can
Speaker 6: take a ton an angle with the new architecture.
Speaker 2: Joel right, right didn't didn't really have an answer with this,
Speaker 2: what's the best city to visit on tour Orland.
Speaker 1: That's a good one, dude.
Speaker 6: The food if you don't stay down too late, like
Speaker 6: we're not supposed to and you all the spot New Orleans.
Speaker 1: That's my favorite.
Speaker 2: So you pick New Orleans over Hartford, that's what will
Speaker 2: or what?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: Ryan pas Well?
Speaker 6: West Hartford has phenomenal food as well, so like you
Speaker 6: can still find it, but it's just easier to find
Speaker 6: a New Orleans and it's walkable.
Speaker 1: So uh, I'm a I'm a big fan of New Orleans.
Speaker 2: Favorite restaurant in New Orleans.
Speaker 6: There you got, there's like four of them, but uhh,
Speaker 6: you put me on the spot. It's a divy spot.
Speaker 6: You have sugar teeth the door, there's cobbleins on the wall.
Speaker 6: It's like fried chicken and your red beans and rice.
Speaker 6: Hopefully one of your listeners will be oh man and
Speaker 6: so we've been going. My wife found it before we
Speaker 6: met each other, like fifteen years ago.
Speaker 1: It's our spot. Oh Coops Place.
Speaker 6: Coops Place is the spot, and it's like divy and
Speaker 6: it's gross and it's delicious.
Speaker 2: That's uh, that's great, great rats, good place.
Speaker 6: All right, I'm gonna go back to and maybe something
Speaker 6: I'll be smart enough to on this podcast.
Speaker 2: You were on the pod, you were on the pod
Speaker 2: years ago.
Speaker 6: It was a long time ago. Now you're like big
Speaker 6: and famous, these are great.
Speaker 2: We're we're not We're not. Uh, we're not big enough.
Speaker 6: And guys are big tire, yes, yeah.
Speaker 1: Give the platform. Now. When I was on, it was
Speaker 1: like the normal road.
Speaker 6: Guess he just tried to be getting kid, the funny
Speaker 6: guy on actually someone smart enough to be able to.
Speaker 2: I would say that you're too big for this podcast,
Speaker 2: because like when I when I go visit my friends,
Speaker 2: they're like, you know, I watched Full Swing and I
Speaker 2: really like that to old damon guy. Do you know him?
Speaker 2: And so I would say the same, that you're actually
Speaker 2: bigger than us.
Speaker 6: I'm at fourteen minutes and fifty five seconds of this thing,
Speaker 6: so the bucking hat and that looks only last so
Speaker 6: long that you gotta start winning golf tournaments.
Speaker 1: So I'm back. I'm back. I got I got a
Speaker 1: few seconds left of this.
Speaker 6: I'm not quite in my broadcasting career, but we're we're
Speaker 6: a few months away potential.
Speaker 2: No, no, see, this is this is Johnson Wagner.
Speaker 1: We got we got a chance. I gotta gotta fight
Speaker 1: and chance against.
Speaker 2: This is the self deprecation that everybody loves. A full
Speaker 2: swing in full force here.
Speaker 1: Well, just be careful. I've actually made four cuts in
Speaker 1: a row. I'm kind of hot. A couple of weeks
Speaker 1: more play, so that's yeah, I'm worried.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll get you back on, you know, I think.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 6: I love to check off, all right, I'm inn let's
Speaker 6: let's Ryan. He was just looking lonely over here with
Speaker 6: an umbrella in the locker room. So if you're gonna
Speaker 6: chime in, Joe, see.
Speaker 1: Dogs coming on. That is the the one guy on
Speaker 1: tour that you want to see when you're when you're
Speaker 1: just like not feeling great, because he'll he'll come make
Speaker 1: your You'll make your life happy no matter what happens.
Speaker 2: Uh. That's a that's amazing. All right. Well, last boat
Speaker 2: at least? Uh, well, last boat not least. How do
Speaker 2: you feel about the North Carolina Athletic Department? That was
Speaker 2: my last question for you.
Speaker 1: That's a great question, Andy. Uh oh. I think we
Speaker 1: have a football general manager that is currently suspended for
Speaker 1: undisclosed reasons, so I couldn't possibly venture to guess what
Speaker 1: that might be. We did, we did have a we
Speaker 1: did have a top five draft pick to the Chicago Bulls.
Speaker 1: So I feel I feel really good about KAYLEB Wilson.
Speaker 1: He's a stud. You know, in a world where ni
Speaker 1: L is kind of reigning supreme, it's I think it's
Speaker 1: it's it's actually really difficult for a school like UNC
Speaker 1: or Stanford that has a lot of really really good sports.
Speaker 1: I think UNC is twenty eight sports or something like
Speaker 1: that between men's and women's to to really be able
Speaker 1: to fund all of them properly and with title nown
Speaker 1: and all sorts of other NCAA kind of restrictions that
Speaker 1: I have on it. I think it's there's almost like
Speaker 1: so much going on, and they're really good at They're
Speaker 1: unbelievable at like soccer and field hockey and swimming and
Speaker 1: diving and stuff like that. Obviously, you want them to
Speaker 1: be really good at basketball and football because that's where
Speaker 1: the most TV time and the most money comes from.
Speaker 1: But I think just in a world where there's so
Speaker 1: much of it is how much can you pay a
Speaker 1: guy to show up? It's it's hard to it's hard
Speaker 1: to compete when you don't have quite the budget We're
Speaker 1: not We're not in full of bullet Billy being moneyball
Speaker 1: territory with absolutely no budget, and I think they'll be
Speaker 1: pretty solid this year in the basketball basketball world. It's
Speaker 1: just gonna be really hard for us to keep with football.
Speaker 1: We're not an SEC school. You know. Coach Belichick has
Speaker 1: a has a has a very good history of coaching,
Speaker 1: but it'll be very difficult for him to turn the
Speaker 1: ship around in such a short period of time.
Speaker 2: That's such a good political answer.
Speaker 1: I don't know what else I could say.
Speaker 2: Man, I'm, you know, as a Chicago sports fan, I'm
Speaker 2: I'm now just you know, I'm I'm I'm wondering which
Speaker 2: Caleb w is gonna be gonna be the best Chicago
Speaker 2: sports icad.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's you have a you have pretty good
Speaker 1: options here. If if Caleb Wilson is anything close to
Speaker 1: what Caleb Williams was for you guys last year, I
Speaker 1: think everyone in Northeast Illinois is going to be stoked.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's got to give you guys some
Speaker 1: being to look forward to for six months out of
Speaker 1: the year.
Speaker 2: We've got We've got good history with the North Carolina.
Speaker 1: Picks, you know, so great great history.
Speaker 2: Ryan, thanks so much for coming on, Thanks for thanks
Speaker 2: for having Joel join. That was that was an unexpected addition,
Speaker 2: uh to the pod, and uh we look forward to
Speaker 2: you uh making a charge here and then seeing you
Speaker 2: in Chicago in a couple of weeks hopefully.
Speaker 1: Well, thanks so much for having me appreciate you guys.
Speaker 1: Thanks to Joel wherever he went off to. But yeah,
Speaker 1: keep keep killing it and hopefully we'll see you in
Speaker 1: a little bit in Chicago.
Speaker 2: All right, big thanks to Ryan, and in the Joel Damon,
Speaker 2: which we didn't expect, cameo there at the end. Big
Speaker 2: thanks to both of them, and huge thanks to you
Speaker 2: guys for for listening, supporting our show, and big thanks
Speaker 2: to p J. Clark for editing and producing podcast. As always,
Speaker 2: we'll be back next week with a new episode.