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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond Contact,

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Speaker 3: we'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of

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Speaker 3: the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from

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Speaker 3: the newest cases as we talked with the top experts.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today

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Speaker 4: we're speaking with Mary Anne, rob and Dave Rich, who

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Speaker 4: have combined fifty nine years in law enforcement experience. In

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Speaker 4: twenty fifteen, Marianne joined Muffon and spent seven years as

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Speaker 4: a field investigator and five years as an instructor alongside Dave,

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Speaker 4: teaching investigators how to apply law enforcement methods such as

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Speaker 4: evidence collection and advanced interviewing techniques to the UFO cases.

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Speaker 4: They formed an organization called UAPPD, which aims to destigmatize UFOs, UAPs,

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Speaker 4: paranormal and cryptic sightings, as well as provide resource and

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Speaker 4: a safe zone for law enforcement officers and first responders

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Speaker 4: to handle and share their encounters with without the fear

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Speaker 4: of being ridiculed or even damaging their career. Hey, guys, welcome,

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Speaker 4: Thanks thanks for having us. Thank you, very happy to

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Speaker 4: have you here. I think this is a really great idea.

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Speaker 4: I love to see people in law enforce embrace this.

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Speaker 4: You know, when you think about it, there aren't that

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Speaker 4: many big UFO cases that we hear about that involve

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Speaker 4: police officers. And I bet that's not for there being

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Speaker 4: a lack of cases as much it is about them

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Speaker 4: having a fear of reporting those cases. I mean, these

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Speaker 4: are the people that are out there, They're out and about,

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Speaker 4: often late at night. They're trained observers. You know, they're

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Speaker 4: going to make the perfect eye witness. But it sounds

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Speaker 4: to me, much like with the military, like there's still

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Speaker 4: this strong stigma and repercussions to those coming forward with

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Speaker 4: such stories. Is that true?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely? I believe the main crux of where the stigma

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Speaker 5: comes into play really falls down into two categories. As

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Speaker 5: a law enforcement officer, for any successful case, you have

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Speaker 5: to have two things, evidence and your credibility. The moment

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Speaker 5: you start mentioning things like high strangeness, paranormal cryptids, UFOs, ueps,

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Speaker 5: people who don't believe in those things will start questioning

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Speaker 5: their credibility, and as officers, we're kind of aware of that.

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Speaker 5: So it's one of those things where if you do

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Speaker 4: Interesting. Yeah, have you seen things loosen up as this

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Speaker 4: topic has become more mainstream, like in the last ten years,

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Speaker 4: or it's still pretty much that way in the forest

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Speaker 6: Police department, it's still that way. I know that there is,

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Speaker 6: you know, the government talking about disclosure. They're telling the military,

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Speaker 6: oh it's okay, come forward, it's all right, no problem.

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Speaker 6: They're telling that to commercial airline pilots. But i'll tell

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Speaker 6: you right now, when it comes to law enforcement first responders.

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Speaker 7: I don't think it's ever going to let up it.

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Speaker 6: I wish we could put something out there, but I

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Speaker 7: They don't want any part of that.

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Speaker 5: We actually notice the difference believing or not geographically. So

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Speaker 5: that in the Native American culture, all of these things

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Speaker 7: He says, I saw you on Facebook. I knew you

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Speaker 6: I wanted to come out because I've got a story

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Speaker 7: So yeah, we're going to go to his house. But

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Speaker 6: I mean, I've got this on tape. He's crying, saying

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Speaker 4: But you know what's interesting about what you just said there, Marianne,

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Speaker 4: So I love this idea of you guys doing training

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Speaker 4: like Moufon. I think that's brilliant.

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Speaker 7: That is, you know, talking about the retire.

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Speaker 6: Even though the retired, a lot of them don't want

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Speaker 6: we both were with Moufon field investigators and all during

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Speaker 7: They can learn.

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Speaker 6: I mean, these folks, you know, could take some stuff

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Speaker 6: of the interviewing and well, i'd say terrogation, but we're

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Speaker 6: not going to interrogate. But we have, like you said,

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Speaker 6: we're fifty nine years experience between the two of us.

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Speaker 6: We know how to interview. We've interviewed hundreds of thousands

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Speaker 5: I've forgotten more interviews than I can remember.

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Speaker 6: And wow, that is what's cool is we go ahead

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Speaker 6: and we teach these folks how to do a good interview.

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Speaker 6: You don't ask leading questions, you don't ask yes and

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Speaker 6: Then if you can come up with a conclusion, fantastic.

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Speaker 4: Now let me ask you this, yes or no? No,

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Speaker 4: I'm just kidding. See good I did there. My open

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Speaker 5: another officer that's like ten miles north, who's like, did

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Speaker 5: getting a good number of UAP things. Now the cryptis

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Speaker 4: that'd be good data. When we come back, we're going

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Speaker 4: We are back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking to Marian

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Speaker 4: and Dave from uappd Dave, you were a pretty hardcore

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Speaker 4: skeptic about all these things paranormal, as I understand it.

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Speaker 5: you tell me this before? She's like, cause three weeks

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Speaker 5: ago everything at the house stop. And I'm like, okay,

434
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Speaker 5: then why are you telling me now? And she said,

435
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Speaker 5: because two days ago we ended up looking and found

436
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Speaker 5: that the first there was actually that phone call that

437
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Speaker 5: we got was actually the third. The first one came

438
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Speaker 5: three weeks ago, lines up perfectly, but there wasn't a voice.

439
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 5: There was just nine to one one calls. But now

440
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Speaker 5: here's the key for why we actually created you appd.

441
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Speaker 5: A couple of days go by and I'm like, I

442
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Speaker 5: don't know how to explain this. I tell my sergeant,

443
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Speaker 5: I don't know what this is.

444
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Speaker 4: I don't know.

445
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Speaker 5: I get called upstairs to a sergeant's office. It's not

446
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Speaker 5: my sergeant, but a sergeant upstairs. I walk in. He's

447
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Speaker 5: got two computer screens one's an MP three player with

448
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Speaker 5: the nine one one tape. The other one is the

449
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Speaker 5: still of the security footage. He plays it for me

450
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Speaker 5: and looks at me and says, you expect me to

451
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Speaker 5: believe this crap, And then he literally accuses me of

452
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Speaker 5: being a liar, accuses me of making up the entire

453
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Speaker 5: thing and somehow getting everybody from the dispatcher to the

454
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Speaker 5: patrol units that responded to the school district all involved

455
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Speaker 5: in this elaborate hoax. I end up storming out of

456
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Speaker 5: the office. But the one thing that I remembered is

457
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Speaker 5: even though he wasn't much of an officer, he had

458
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Speaker 5: stripes and I didn't. So I was like, you need

459
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Speaker 5: to keep your mouth shut because if he wants to

460
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Speaker 5: press the issue, you're the one that's going.

461
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Speaker 3: To be in trouble.

462
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Speaker 4: And you can imagine Dave, it was probably plenty of

463
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Speaker 4: all those who've had that similar experience where they said, well,

464
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Speaker 4: better not talk about this. We come back. We're going

465
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Speaker 4: to ask Marian and Dave from UAPPD and find out

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Speaker 4: their thoughts on what maybe behind this phenomenon. You're listening

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Speaker 4: We're back on Beyond Context speaking with Marion Dave Guys.

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Speaker 4: At the end of the day, looking at all these

489
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Speaker 4: different cases and all this research you've done, where do

490
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Speaker 4: you sit on what you think might be happening. I

491
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Speaker 4: know we don't have a conclusion, But like, do you

492
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Speaker 4: think maybe there's an alien presence? Is there a dimensional presence?

493
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Speaker 4: Is there something to do with the afterlife? Where do

494
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Speaker 4: you guys guess these strange occurrences are originating.

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Speaker 5: That's a great question for me, and I can't speak

496
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Speaker 5: for Marion, but for me, I think it's multifaceted. I

497
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 5: think there's different aspects of different things. One thing that

498
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Speaker 5: I do believe is I believe they're all related, and

499
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Speaker 5: one way or another, I don't understand what the tie is.

500
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Speaker 5: But when we do our stage presentations, we actually have

501
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Speaker 5: a Venn diagram for ufology, paranormal and cryptozoology, and we

502
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,959
Speaker 5: have them all overlapping because you have such amazing crossovers like,

503
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Speaker 5: for example, David Politis, one of his most recent movies

504
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 5: was specifically the link between Bigfoot sightings and UFO sightings

505
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Speaker 5: and these national parks and these disappearances. Got things like

506
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Speaker 5: TV shows like Terror in the Woods, which is a

507
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 5: link between cryptozoological creatures and paranormal activity. And then you've

508
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 5: got things like orbs and stuff like that, where you

509
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 5: have orbs as in energy orbs that are in like

510
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Speaker 5: a hunted house. But then you can also be outside

511
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Speaker 5: and see them flying in the sky as if it

512
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Speaker 5: was a UAP or UFO. So I believe they're all related.

513
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Speaker 5: I don't necessarily know how, but there are too many

514
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Speaker 5: similarities for them not to be. But I do think

515
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Speaker 5: that there is extra dimensional Like you've got these great

516
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Speaker 5: stories of people that are tracking, for example Bigfoot, and

517
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Speaker 5: all of a sudden, these footprints appear in the middle

518
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Speaker 5: of a snow covered field and they go for like

519
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Speaker 5: one hundred and fifty yards and then they vanish, and

520
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Speaker 5: the beginning of the trail and the end of the

521
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Speaker 5: trail are way far away from a tree line or anyplace.

522
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Speaker 5: So it's like, where did these footprints all of a

523
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Speaker 5: sudden appear? And then where the heck do they go?

524
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Speaker 5: And we've got a number of stories like that that

525
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Speaker 5: we've heard from people, not law enforcement, but just of

526
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Speaker 5: that phenomenon happened, which would clearly make me think, Okay,

527
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,239
Speaker 5: either Bigfoot got flown into a helicopter and nobody saw it,

528
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 5: or maybe there's some sort of portal or some sort

529
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Speaker 5: of dimensional thing that they're coming through, and maybe they're

530
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Speaker 5: not intentionally coming through, maybe it's accidental they slipped through.

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Speaker 5: They slipped back out. But that's like my take on

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Speaker 5: I know Mary I might have a different one.

533
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Speaker 6: Well, my take is kind of like Dave's. I am

534
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 6: very much a skeptic. I never have seen a cryptid.

535
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 6: I've never seen a UFO. I've never seen a paranormal.

536
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 6: I haven't had any experiences whatsoever. So my take is

537
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Speaker 6: just hearing from different folks and different witnesses say, ufolks,

538
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 6: we are not alone in this universe. To me, you

539
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 6: have to have your head in the sand. And excuse

540
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 6: me if I'm offending anyone, but you have to have

541
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Speaker 6: your head in the sand. If you think we are

542
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Speaker 6: the only ones in this entire universe, we're not. We

543
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Speaker 6: don't know what's out there, what type of other entities

544
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Speaker 6: or persons are out there. But there are people or

545
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 6: there's things out there talking about the Bigfoot.

546
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Speaker 7: I do believe there is. They're coming in from portals.

547
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Speaker 6: Because you would think somebody would see some type of evidence,

548
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 6: get some type of evidence, whether it could be a.

549
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Speaker 7: Bigfoot of carcass. Now, I was up in Colorado.

550
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Speaker 6: I have seen a dead black bear that died naturally

551
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Speaker 6: in the woods. I've seen elk, I've seen deer, I've

552
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 6: seen every kind of animal out there, but I have

553
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 6: never seen any type of evidence from a bigfoot. So

554
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Speaker 6: my thought is, yes, it is coming from a different dimension,

555
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 6: just coming back and forth, hopping back and forth. The

556
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 6: ghost part, the paranormal, I don't have an answer for that.

557
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 6: I'm looking for the day I'm looking for that, or

558
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 6: looking forward to the day that I get to experience

559
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Speaker 6: something that's out there.

560
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Speaker 4: What do you think The hardest part for these witnesses

561
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Speaker 4: is does it take a psychological toll on them living

562
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Speaker 4: with this experience?

563
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Speaker 5: Absolutely? The real proffs, the real reason why we created

564
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,479
Speaker 5: uappd's mission statement is because whether you're a police officer

565
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 5: or you're a garbage truck driver, an accountant, a dentist,

566
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Speaker 5: I don't care who you are, you encounter something like that,

567
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 5: there is an emotional trauma that you're going to feel.

568
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Speaker 5: It comes from like cognitive dissonance, like what you everybody

569
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Speaker 5: has a thought the life in their brain about how

570
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 5: they feel the world works or how life works. Whenever

571
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 5: you're confronted by something that doesn't seem to fit into

572
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Speaker 5: your own personal beliefs of how the war works, you're

573
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Speaker 5: going to have a little bit of a trauma there

574
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Speaker 5: like trying. It may not be major, it may just

575
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Speaker 5: be something like, oh okay, that's weird, or it could

576
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Speaker 5: be something more pronounced, like these type of events where

577
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 5: you're seeing a big foot type creature, or you're seeing

578
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Speaker 5: the ghost of your aunt that you know is dead,

579
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Speaker 5: or you're seeing some sort of craft flying in the

580
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 5: sky that you're looking at it and not able to

581
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Speaker 5: explain it. Any of those experiences, regardless of what your

582
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 5: career is, is going to have a toll psychologically on you.

583
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Speaker 5: The difference is as first responder, we are trained to

584
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Speaker 5: know how to handle these situations whenever they come up,

585
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 5: Like anytimee oh, you go to a car accident, you

586
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 5: go to a robbery, you go to a murder, You're

587
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Speaker 5: supposed to have it all under control. And that's where

588
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 5: I think the differences with first responders because they'll see

589
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Speaker 5: these things, suffer those same traumas that the other non

590
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Speaker 5: first responder has, but then they bottle them up because

591
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Speaker 5: that's how we handle these situations. You go into a

592
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Speaker 5: murder scene, you can't lose you're cool. You have to

593
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Speaker 5: be completely on the level, unemotional, detached. You see this

594
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Speaker 5: object in the sky, this thing walking through the woods,

595
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Speaker 5: this thing in an abandoned house. You will try and

596
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Speaker 5: stay detached. But what it does is you take those experiences,

597
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 5: put them in a box, stick them in the corner

598
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 5: of your brain, and eventually they come bust and open.

599
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Speaker 4: Hey, you guys are looking at cases from all over

600
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Speaker 4: the world. Apparently, how many first hand accounts have you heard?

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Speaker 5: Now we're at about ninety eight.

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Speaker 4: That's fantastic. What's the strongest case you've heard with the

603
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Speaker 4: best empirical evidence?

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Speaker 7: I think I just told you.

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Speaker 4: You think you're you think that's the one?

606
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Speaker 3: Is that? Is that it?

607
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 4: Because that is Jef.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. We we have the nine to one one tape.

609
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Speaker 5: I kept the video footage, surveillance footage. I kept all

610
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Speaker 5: of it just because I was pissed at that sergeant.

611
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 5: But now it's coming back to like, I'm glad I

612
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 5: kept it. But we have bodycam footage of disembodied voices.

613
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 5: We have video of objects flying through the sky. We

614
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 5: have video of something out at a mission out here

615
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 5: in Arizona that we can't explain. But we had somebody

616
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Speaker 5: that you know, that we know, friend of ours, Mark d' antonio. Actually, yeah,

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Speaker 5: that I would.

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Speaker 4: Not take anything that man has to say with any

619
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Speaker 4: credibility whatsoever.

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Speaker 5: Boy, but we gave a video to him that we

621
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Speaker 5: took while we were out at a mission.

622
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Speaker 4: He's the perfect guy to analyze because he actually does

623
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Speaker 4: analyze video, as you know, and he's he's actually actually amazing.

624
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 4: So how great you have this relationship that you could

625
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 4: share these with him.

626
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 5: He looked at that video and he's like, I don't

627
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 5: know what the heck you guys have here. But it's

628
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 5: not a trick of the light. It's not an artifact,

629
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Speaker 5: it's not something wrong with the video. He's like, but

630
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,719
Speaker 5: you do know it's bipedal, it's walking, it's rocking back

631
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 5: and forth in the road, just like you saw. And

632
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 5: he has no idea what it is, but he is

633
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 5: one hundred percent confirmed that it's there. I'm looking at it.

634
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Speaker 4: Well, that's interesting because Mark, as you know, ninety nine

635
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 4: percent of the time, is able to come up with

636
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Speaker 4: an alternative explanation to these videos.

637
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why that video is one of the ones

638
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 5: we hold near and dear to our art Also.

639
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Speaker 4: Now, are you guys able to share these videos, like

640
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Speaker 4: either on a website or something so that other people

641
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 4: can see them? Or do you share them with other

642
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 4: things like move On for example, or New Fork. You know,

643
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 4: do you guys share any of these case information?

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Speaker 7: We will do that in our on stage presentations.

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Speaker 6: We do, like Dave's story, we always do with the

646
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Speaker 6: and the last thing we do is we play that

647
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Speaker 6: nine to one one tape.

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Speaker 7: That's the last thing we do. We just don't do

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Speaker 7: them on the on the internet. Right now.

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Speaker 6: We actually are in talks with Truly Original, which is

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Speaker 6: a production company that they're looking at possibly having a

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Speaker 7: Kind of keeping it.

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Speaker 6: We'll do we'll share some of these on and on

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Speaker 6: stage and ask folks please don't tape record, don't use

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Speaker 6: this later on, you.

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Speaker 7: Know, to put on YouTube themselves. We don't.

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Speaker 6: We won't put them on YouTube quite yet until we

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Speaker 6: see what what our future holds.

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Speaker 4: Great. I think you have an excellent hook here with

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Speaker 4: the credibility of law enforcement looking at this topic. We're

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Speaker 4: going to take another break here. When we come back,

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Speaker 4: we're going to ask Marion and Dave where they sit

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Speaker 4: We are back on beyond contact. We're speaking with Mariannn

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Speaker 4: and Dave from UAPPD. So how do you guys feel

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Speaker 4: about governmental disclosure? Do you think we're going to get that?

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Speaker 7: I say no.

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Speaker 6: The reason I say no is just listening. I've been

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Speaker 6: to numerous conferences. I've been again with mofon for about

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Speaker 6: seven years and listen to all these different eufologists and

696
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Speaker 6: all these scientists. Everyone has their own opinion on what

697
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Speaker 6: is real, what is not real, what's going to happen.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 6: My analogy with that is we have a homicide. I

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Speaker 6: go to investigate a homicide. There's three different detectives out

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Speaker 6: there doing this, doing this investigation. Each one of us

702
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Speaker 6: has our own opinion on what happened with this homicide.

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00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 6: Now we have all that, nobody can get together and

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Speaker 6: agree on anything, so we'll never solve the homicide.

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00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 7: Same thing with the UFO and the disclosure. All of

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Speaker 7: these folks have their.

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Speaker 6: Own opinion of what is going on out there until

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Speaker 6: they come together, like the three detectives, and come to

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Speaker 6: a conclusion to solve that crime unless everybody gets together

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Speaker 6: and works as a team to figure this out.

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Speaker 7: But there's not going to be disclosure.

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Speaker 5: Likewise, also don't think we're going to get disclosure. But

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Speaker 5: the reason for my take on it is it's kind

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Speaker 5: of like what you're talking about governmental disclosure. The way

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Speaker 5: we're going to get this disclosure is contingent on the government.

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Speaker 5: So the reality is is if if you're the government

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Speaker 5: and you and which I believe the government knows a

718
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Speaker 5: lot of stuff that they're not telling us. But if

719
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Speaker 5: I'm the government and I have knowledge that there is

720
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Speaker 5: a race of beings that can traverse the galaxy, that

721
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 5: can show up wherever they want, and there's nothing that

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Speaker 5: we can do to stop them, touch them, do anything

723
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Speaker 5: about it, what benefit do I have as the government

724
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Speaker 5: of telling the population that these people exist.

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Speaker 4: That's exactly what I always say, Dave. There's no upside

726
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Speaker 4: for them, always down.

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Speaker 5: There's no reason because we're literally I'm the government. I'm

728
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 5: going to tell you, hey, guess what. I can't protect

729
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 5: you from these things, right, I no power over them.

730
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Speaker 5: There is a group and this universe that there's nobody

731
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Speaker 5: on the planet can touch them. There is no upside

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Speaker 5: for the government to tell us I agree completely.

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Speaker 4: You've looked at these ninety cases. Do you see similar

734
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Speaker 4: among the cases?

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, absolutely absolutely, Like among UFO cases, like UAP cases,

736
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Speaker 5: we get a lot of similarities in the type of sighting.

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Speaker 5: They're driving in the middle of nowhere, they're driving in

738
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Speaker 5: the dark, you're looking for the I hate to say this,

739
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 5: but like the modus operande or whatever you want to

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00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 5: call it from everything from paranormal things all kind of

741
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,439
Speaker 5: evolving the same way to UAPPD all evolving the same way.

742
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Speaker 5: But the thing that is kind of unique overwhelmingly the

743
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 5: similarity that we keep finding is that we have a valid,

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Speaker 5: conferable a sighting by a credible witness, and something is

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Speaker 5: preventing them from saying Like in my case, I had

746
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Speaker 5: a supervisor that told me to not talk about it.

747
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 5: It might be those stigmas. I know, it's probably not

748
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Speaker 5: the link that you were hoping for, but that's the

749
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Speaker 5: glaring one that we see, is that regardless of what

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Speaker 5: is seen or who sees it, there is something that

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Speaker 5: is preventing these people from coming forward and talking about it,

752
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 5: which until we can get them into a comfortable place

753
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Speaker 5: where they can say it we're missing wonderful evident and

754
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Speaker 5: witness statements that could be leading us towards true conclusions

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Speaker 5: and maybe some questions answered that we have been dying

756
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Speaker 5: to get that we're not getting because there is something

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Speaker 5: preventing these people from coming forward and seeing.

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Speaker 4: Have these experiences affected, particularly the one that you had personally, David,

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Speaker 4: Have these affected like your sense of identity and purpose

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Speaker 4: and all this?

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Speaker 5: Yes, The easiest way that I can sum it up is,

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Speaker 5: all of a sudden, I started to feel really small,

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Speaker 5: because all of a sudden, you start realizing you don't

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Speaker 5: have all the answers and this world is a lot

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Speaker 5: bigger than we thought.

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Speaker 4: It was. Absolutely, I mean absolutely that even like when

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Speaker 4: you lose like your parents, it's like you start thinking, like,

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Speaker 4: wait a minute. It It just changes the way you

769
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Speaker 4: look at things. It's incredible. Do you guys have any

770
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 4: gut feeling as to what may be going on here?

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00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 4: There's somebody studying us, somebody's watching us. Do you think

772
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 4: maybe it's us? What's your gut feeling? Just by looking

773
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 4: at this so closely, I.

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Speaker 7: Think he has a different answer than I do.

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Speaker 6: I could just after we talked about this, So I'm

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Speaker 6: gonna answer first, and I'm gonna let him do his

777
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Speaker 6: lengthy I believe that they are coming down, they're studying us,

778
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 6: we're talking to UAPs. If you look at Lumberton, North Carolina,

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Speaker 6: it's a historical case the late Great Lee Spiegel. This

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Speaker 6: was his investigation that he did where there was a

781
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Speaker 6: UFO over I think it was like seven counties, eleven cities.

782
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Speaker 6: There was like thirty five officers that chase this thing.

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Speaker 6: Where they first saw this craft and where pretty much

784
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Speaker 6: the last place they saw the craft was over a

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Speaker 6: water tower. Okay, what are they doing? Are they getting

786
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Speaker 6: their energy from that? You hear that there's these crafts

787
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Speaker 6: that are coming over generating stations. I really believe they're

788
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Speaker 6: coming in. They're checking out what type of technology we have.

789
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Speaker 6: I don't think they're me personally not meaning any harm.

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00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 6: I think they're just seeing what type of technology. That

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00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 6: is my thought on this. There's been numerous cases again

792
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Speaker 6: of these crafts coming in, checking things out and then

793
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Speaker 6: just taking off.

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Speaker 7: My not I believe it was.

795
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Speaker 6: Up in South Dakota or North Dakota where the theft

796
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Speaker 6: came over the missile site.

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Speaker 4: That's David Chindell.

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Speaker 6: Listen did they come They just again, are they trying

799
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 6: to just check out our technology?

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Speaker 7: See what we've got going on.

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Speaker 4: They're definitely does thing to be a tie in with

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Speaker 4: the nuclear thing, because we see that time and the

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Speaker 4: time with nuclear basis, nuclear weapons storage, all of those things.

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Speaker 4: You know, what is your guys' plan going forward? I

805
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 4: know you mentioned there's a possible TV thing here. Do

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00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 4: you want to continue gathering more cases and expanding this?

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00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 4: Is that your plan?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely? Our mission is to help first responders. Like we

809
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 5: get asked all the time by people like, well, do

810
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 5: you believe ghosts to real? Do you believe UFOs are real?

811
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Speaker 5: Leave Bigfoot of real? And our usual response is is

812
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,919
Speaker 5: it doesn't really matter what we believe. What we want

813
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 5: to do is help the first responders who experienced it,

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Speaker 5: whatever it was, whether they saw UAP, they saw UFO,

815
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 5: they saw Bigfoot, they sancos, we want to help them.

816
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 5: So where we want to take this is we want

817
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,439
Speaker 5: to take it to that end and help these first

818
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 5: responders who have seen stuff and have been sitting in silence,

819
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 5: Like I sat in silence for seven years, not talking

820
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 5: about what happened to me until I was able to

821
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Speaker 5: retire and finally start talking about and create this organization.

822
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Speaker 5: We know there are other first responders that are doing

823
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 5: the same thing. They've got stories from ten years ago,

824
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 5: twelve years ago that they're just sitting there and it's

825
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 5: eating them up inside. Our goal is to, like, at

826
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 5: the end of the day, it's not my job to

827
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 5: convince you that ghosts exists, or you that UFOs exists,

828
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 5: or you that Bigfoot exists. But if I can convince

829
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 5: you guys that, hey, you know what, there's more to

830
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 5: the world than what I know. That's all we're trying

831
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 5: to do is push that needle a little bit to make.

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Speaker 4: It come af far. Already, I don't know what the

833
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 4: hell's going going on, but there is something going on.

834
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 4: Do you How do you, guys personally respond to skepticism,

835
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 4: you know from scientists and academics that just don't want

836
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 4: to hear this at all.

837
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Speaker 5: Well, as a reformed skeptic, I'll call myself, I like

838
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 5: to handle it this way. I look at them and

839
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 5: I use this analogy. If I took a cell phone

840
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 5: and I went back one hundred years ago and show

841
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 5: it to somebody, They're going to look at it like

842
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 5: it's magic, because they don't understand that, But we have

843
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 5: cell phones are being twelve year old kids are walking

844
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Speaker 5: around using them all day long. If I then take

845
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Speaker 5: a piece of technology from one hundred years ago and

846
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 5: I take it back and we go one hundred more

847
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 5: years in the past, and I show them that cell

848
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 5: phone and I show them that a sewing machine, butter

849
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 5: chair and whatever it was, They're going to look at

850
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 5: both of those pieces of technology with the same awe

851
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 5: and wonder. They are both magic to them. But we

852
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 5: would look at it, the three of us would look

853
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 5: at it as well, this is just a cell phone,

854
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 5: and that's something that's archaic. So maybe the skeptics, maybe

855
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 5: this is just stuff we don't understand and yet, and

856
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 5: one hundred years from now we're gonna understand more when

857
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 5: it is.

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Speaker 4: I sit right there, Dave, I agree with that completely.

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00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 4: We need to stop here, guys, we're out of time,

860
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 4: but thank you so much. If you guys can find

861
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 4: them at UAPDASHPD dot com. You can find me on

862
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 4: Twitter and Instagram at c t D Underscore Captain Ron.

863
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Speaker 4: Stay connected by checking out contact inthedesert dot com. Stay

864
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Speaker 4: open minded and rational as we explore the unknown right

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