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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Steelers Nation, Happy New Year. It's the Drive

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Speaker 2: here on your twenty four to seven home of the

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Speaker 2: Black and Gold. West Shouler and Matt Williamson with you

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Speaker 2: as it is January first, twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: Matt, A new Year, save us? How about that?

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Speaker 4: How about that?

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm going for.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it.

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Speaker 2: I'm not one of these big like you know, new

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Speaker 2: Year's and resolutions and no New Year save me.

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Speaker 4: Having New Year's to me hasn't been a holiday forever.

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Speaker 4: I mean except for my daughter having a bunch of

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Speaker 4: screaming young girls in the basement last night too late.

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Speaker 4: And oh, by the way, it's my mother in law's

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Speaker 4: eightieth birthday today too. How cool is that?

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Speaker 3: Happy birthday? That's awesome.

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Speaker 4: But other than that, I mean, it's Thursday of week eighteen.

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Speaker 3: Exactly right. It is Thursday of week eighteen.

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Speaker 2: And with that, there was plenty to get to Ravens

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Speaker 2: practice full transparency. We're recording the show a little bit

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Speaker 2: earlier today because it is New Year's Day and a

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Speaker 2: million things going on and all that, but absolutely something

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Speaker 2: going on right now. But the Ravens are practicing right

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Speaker 2: now as you and I are doing this show, and

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Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson is a full participant for the second straight

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Speaker 2: day at Ravens practice, And according to you know, their

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Speaker 2: boots on the ground, reporters and people around the team

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Speaker 2: and the organization, it looks like Lamar Jackson has been

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Speaker 2: given a green light to start Sunday's AFC North title

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Speaker 2: game clash against the Steelers.

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Speaker 4: So usually I recorded on Thursday, but we recorded yesterday

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Speaker 4: the matchup show with Missy and Rob. Yes, So I

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Speaker 4: was down to the facility yesterday and nobody like that

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Speaker 4: wasn't like talking to coaches, what do you think? Blah

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Speaker 4: blah blah. I'm not that it's not my style, but

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Speaker 4: there was a general feeling, Oh Lamar's play. Yeah, I mean, like,

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Speaker 4: I think that's kind of been the way they've prepared

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Speaker 4: every step of the way. That's partially terrifying, to be honest.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if it's the MVP version you saw before,

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Speaker 4: look out, that's a that's a dangerous ever on the

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Speaker 4: planet knows Henry plus great Lamar is a handful.

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Speaker 3: To deal with, undred percent.

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Speaker 4: But if it's what we've seen from him since he

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Speaker 4: was injured originally, you know, since he's been back, doesn't

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Speaker 4: know what to make of it.

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Speaker 2: It is funny that you said that, because I did yesterday.

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Speaker 2: I did a just a phone segment with Tom and

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Speaker 2: Nanski on the Blitz and Tom was like, who would

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Speaker 2: you rather see on Sunday, Lamar Jackson or Tyler Huntley? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I had to actually think about it for a second.

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Speaker 2: I was like, you know, the answer is Tyler hunt

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Speaker 2: Of course you'd rather see him. But Lamar's not one

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Speaker 2: hundred percent. He hasn't had the greatest track record against

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Speaker 2: the Steelers in his career. In fact, he has a

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Speaker 2: losing record pretty decisively. But it would still just sound

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Speaker 2: crazy to say, oh, yeah, I'd rather play Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 4: I do think gets crazy to say it that they

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Speaker 4: now isn't totally bonkers just because he's not himself or

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Speaker 4: he has not been himself.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's this year's Lamar has not looked like the

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Speaker 2: past four or five years Lamar.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but could Huntly beat the Steelers. Sure sure. Could

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Speaker 3: Out the Steelers, No, I don't think so.

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Speaker 4: Could Lamar blow out the Steelers? Yeah? I if it's

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Speaker 4: oh no, now we got to go to Baltimore, you know, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Then yeah, five rids up going there. No, that's a

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Speaker 3: good that's a good point.

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Speaker 4: And that could be in the cards. I hope not.

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Speaker 2: But I would be shocked if the game were more

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Speaker 2: I would too.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't implying that that's probable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just because time of the year, injury status of

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Speaker 2: you with the first first quarter, first quarter and a

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Speaker 3: Because styles make fights.

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Speaker 2: Right, and a lot of times when you're familiar with

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Speaker 3: Let's feel each other out and spar for a little bit. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I get to know what you're doing.

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Speaker 2: But sometimes it does go the opposite way, where you're

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Speaker 3: You don't want to turn a lot, don't.

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Speaker 4: You want to make you head coaches. I know that,

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Speaker 4: you know that, I know that you know you know.

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Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of that between you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And then they'll play it closer to the vest

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Speaker 4: than they usually do, especially early in the game. I

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Speaker 4: mean history between these coaches shows me that too. Now

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Speaker 4: I'm not countering you, but I don't think Lamar's Lamar's side.

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Speaker 4: I don't think there's much a mystery or what the

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Speaker 4: Ravens are gonna do. Heck no, I mean they're gonna

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Speaker 4: give it that bad guy left.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, tire Henry right, tyreck Henry up the middle.

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Speaker 4: And you may have noticed this. I mean the last

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Speaker 4: time they played, they went left a lot with him,

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Speaker 4: as most teams were during the course of the year.

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Speaker 4: But we haven't gotten to watch status. I mean, I

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Speaker 4: don't know how that'll affect things either way. That's just

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Speaker 4: what they're gonna do on defense. I mean, if you

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Speaker 4: watch Brown Steelers, you're probably gonna get a lot of

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Speaker 4: man covered with single high And you know Metcalf's on

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Speaker 4: this game. I mean again, I mean, like you scored

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Speaker 3: Right, totally, And here's what we do know.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk to our budd Chris Hallick in just

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Speaker 2: a he'll be able to paint a clear picture for us.

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Speaker 2: But what we know from Steelers practice Wednesday, Matt TJ.

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Speaker 2: Watt was limited, Isaac Samalu Limited, James Pierre Limited, Brandon

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Speaker 4: Okay, I take that as good news.

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Speaker 2: Though Aaron Rodgers was a full participant, Chronic a full participant,

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Speaker 2: mostly good. No one was on the field, no one

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Speaker 2: The plan was like the TJ's and the Samalus was

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I bet that that's what I was thinking up

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Speaker 4: throughout the week, especially TJ cmalo as you mentioned that

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Speaker 2: And guys like Ecchos and Pierre that are dealing with

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Speaker 3: Let's get you out there and go do something.

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Speaker 2: It's cold, it's that time of year, like, we don't

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Speaker 3: Let's kind of ramp up to it type thing.

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Speaker 4: And folks, I mean they practiced in the indoor, at

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Speaker 4: least they did yesterday. It was down there. I mean

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Speaker 4: they all got like ski caps on. I mean it's

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Speaker 3: Warm, correct, it's warmer, but warmer and.

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Speaker 4: There's not elements but right. But no, I think that's

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Speaker 4: what we should have expected, was probably all these guys

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Speaker 4: different that's a different story.

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Speaker 3: Yes, right, So let's let's take our first break here.

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Speaker 2: Shorter first segment, but that'll give us more time to

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Speaker 2: talk to our buddy Chris Halleck and get some details

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Speaker 2: from here on a Thursday as it relates to all

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Speaker 2: the moving and shaking on the south side and for

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Speaker 2: Steelers practice. We'll do that when we return West Shouler

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Speaker 1: About Drive on your twenty four to seven home of

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Speaker 1: the Black and Goal. Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Back on the Drive here on a Thursday, with plenty

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Speaker 2: to get to with our good friend Chris Hallick, of course,

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Speaker 2: covers the Steelers for dk Pittsburgh Sports.

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Speaker 3: Chris, thank you for taking the time.

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Speaker 2: Let's jump right into it because a lot of Ravens stuff,

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Speaker 2: injury stuff that we want to discuss with you, and

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Speaker 2: let's begin there. We saw that TJ. Watt was a

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Speaker 2: limited practice participant on Wednesday. How are you feeling about

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Speaker 2: his status for Sunday's winner, take all game against Baltimore.

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Speaker 5: I'm currently of the mentality when it comes to TJ.

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Speaker 4: Watt that.

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Speaker 5: I'm remaining with the status quo until I see something different.

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Speaker 5: And the reason for that is just because this is

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Speaker 5: not some sort of you know, tough through it injury

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Speaker 5: This is a completely different situation. We're talking about a

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Speaker 5: partially collapsed lung that he that he's dealing with, that

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Speaker 5: there's no way that you can just tough through, you know,

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Speaker 5: recovering from a surgery like that. So, uh yeah, I

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Speaker 5: now I definitely more optimistic heading into uh, you know what,

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Speaker 5: he's you know, continue to be limited. I'd like to

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Speaker 5: just I'm I remain a little skeptical that it's just

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Speaker 5: a foregone conclusion that he's gonna play, because this is

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Speaker 5: just not something you can just again you can just

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Speaker 5: tough through it and play it. Look, this is a

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Speaker 5: completely different situation. It's just not like playing through you know,

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Speaker 5: various banged up type stuff that you that players deal

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Speaker 5: with throughout the season.

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Speaker 4: So, Chris, we didn't have a drive yesterday, but we

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Speaker 4: I think we've talked about this on Tuesday. Wes and

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Speaker 4: I that if what is on a true pitch county

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Speaker 4: he addresses he plays, gonna use him sparingly. I mean,

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Speaker 4: it's one of the best pass rushers ever, but I

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Speaker 4: would use him on early downs, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 4: especially against this opponent, I think his run defense. I

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Speaker 4: want them out there on first down maybe more than

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Speaker 4: third and eight, especially as well as Herbig and Heismith

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I think one of the one of the

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Speaker 5: ways that this defense has been successful, especially here in

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Speaker 5: recent weeks, is that they have been a lot better

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't get the I don't get the sense

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Speaker 5: And that might be enough to win if your defense

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Speaker 2: Steelers Audio Network. Chris, maybe we buried the lead a

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Speaker 5: Mouth right now, is arguably your best man beater?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he is. I think it's him or

436
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Speaker 4: Gamebo on the team right now, right and.

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Speaker 5: And so the Ravens do come out and say, listen,

438
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Speaker 5: we're we we are stealing the blueprint that Cleveland laid

439
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Speaker 5: out last week, and we're just gonna cover one you

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Speaker 5: to death. Then you gotta you gotta use Pat. You

441
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Speaker 5: know you gotta use Pat. I don't know if I

442
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Speaker 5: would trust the Ravens linebackers. Maybe Kyle Hamilton. They stick

443
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Speaker 5: Kyle Hamilton on Friar game long, then maybe maybe you

444
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Speaker 5: know it won't work out. But I doubt they would

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Speaker 5: do something like that because Hamilton is just so versatile

446
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Speaker 5: and they can use him in so many different ways,

447
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Speaker 5: and he's in all those ways.

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Speaker 4: I think should be in every snap. Guy, I mean,

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Speaker 4: like play ninety percent of snap.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would agree with that. I think he is

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Speaker 5: their best tight end overall tight end. Yeah. I would

452
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Speaker 5: like to think that a game like this where your

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Speaker 5: your hand is being forced, you don't have Darnel Washington,

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Speaker 5: you don't have DK Metcalf, You're gonna have to lean

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Speaker 5: into it. And if he has a big game again,

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Speaker 5: that that difference. We talk about a lot of things

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Speaker 5: that could be the difference in this game. That could

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Speaker 5: be a difference because when when you're missing impactful players

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Speaker 5: like like DKJT CHF and don'tell Washington. Somebody else has

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Speaker 5: got to step up, and Pat's probably must have to

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Speaker 5: be that guy.

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Speaker 3: Chris.

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Speaker 2: Last one I've got for you pretty simple. Steelers win Sunday.

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Speaker 2: If Steelers lose Sunday, If.

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Speaker 5: Oh boy, the Steelers lose Sunday, If Derrick Henry goes nuts,

466
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Speaker 5: sure that that's that's pretty that's that's pretty self explanatory.

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Speaker 5: If they cannot stop Derrick Henry in the run game,

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Speaker 5: I don't see them winning at all. The Steelers win,

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Speaker 5: I'm I'm trying to think of the right win, like

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Speaker 5: the right angle. I'll put it this way. The Steelers

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Speaker 5: win if the Ravens decide to not steal Cleveland's blueprint,

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Speaker 5: try to do their own thing, If they try to

473
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Speaker 5: stick with the things that have been working for them

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Speaker 5: over the past few weeks, I don't see that being

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Speaker 5: the best game plan. I think Aaron Rodgers would be

476
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Speaker 5: able to pick out a part. I think they have

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Speaker 5: enough guys that can find the spots in zone. We

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Speaker 5: talk about Pat Fryroremouth, I mean Mike. Mike Tomlin himself

479
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Speaker 5: has called Pat Fryarmouth a zone killer. He does know

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Speaker 5: how to find those soft spots. I think if the

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Speaker 5: Ravens run out any kind of zone uh more consistently

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Speaker 5: than Man, then I really really think this could be.

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Speaker 5: It could be a game in which the Steelers kind

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Speaker 5: of get all the points that they that they need

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Speaker 5: to win the game. So I'll put it that way.

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Speaker 4: I like it.

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Speaker 2: I like it too, Chris Aleck, Dude, thank you for

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Speaker 2: the time. As always, we appreciate it. Happy New Year

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Speaker 2: and we will talk to you soon.

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Speaker 5: Happy New Year to you guys. Thanks for having me there.

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Speaker 2: He goes Chris Aleck DK Pittsburgh Sports. Always fun conversation

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Speaker 2: with him, and we'll see him at the Ballyard.

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Speaker 3: On Sunday night.

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Speaker 2: Matt, some breaking ish news from from Steelers practice, good

495
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Speaker 2: news that I want to get to with you when

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Speaker 2: we return. On the other side, the Steelers have given

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Speaker 2: out a couple regular season awards too that I think

498
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Speaker 2: mention are worth mentioning. And then we've got to begin

499
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Speaker 2: diving into Matt's stat's packet as we start to talk

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Speaker 2: more Steelers and Ravens and look ahead to Sunday night.

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Speaker 2: We'll do all of that as we close down the

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Speaker 2: first hour of the show. On the other side, Yuler Williamson,

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Speaker 2: It's the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers

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Speaker 2: Audio Network.

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Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven

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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 3: All right, mister Williamson, would you like some good news?

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Speaker 4: Sure, might as well bring in the new year.

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Speaker 2: I think this is good news. And you know what

510
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Speaker 2: they say happens when you assume. But I also think

511
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Speaker 2: NFL coaches, coordinators, players, they are so tutored, They are

512
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Speaker 2: so careful in the way the things that they say,

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Speaker 2: the way they phrase things, because they know every word

514
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Speaker 2: that they say is going to get dissected and picked apart.

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Speaker 2: Terrell Austin just said not too long ago, and I

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Speaker 2: quote when he was he was asked about TJ. Watt

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Speaker 2: before practice, I believe it was. He said to the

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Speaker 2: media and I quote, it will be great to have

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Speaker 2: him back. In what capacity we won't know until Sunday,

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Speaker 2: but it'll be great to have him back.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 3: End quote.

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Speaker 4: That's pretty revealing.

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Speaker 2: That to me sounds like something that a defensive coordinator

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Speaker 2: would not say. Again, in what capacity we don't know,

526
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Speaker 2: but that sounds like TJ. Watt is going to be

527
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Speaker 2: on the field on Sunday Night against the rest.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so I gave Mike Pursuit a lot of credits

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Speaker 4: of the show we recorded two nights ago because Tomlin's

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Speaker 4: initial press conference you know, Monday. Yeah, he was talking

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Speaker 4: about all these injuried fell right, I'm talking about all

532
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Speaker 4: these injured fellows and what was a different beast. He

533
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Speaker 4: lumped all the guys together, you know, Pierre, and that goals.

534
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Speaker 4: You know, we're hopeful things are trend the right direction.

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Speaker 4: And I forget the exact word he said for what

536
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Speaker 4: and pursued it, picked up on it because like Dale

537
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Speaker 4: or these guys have done it for reme.

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Speaker 3: When you when you're in that yes so much.

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Speaker 4: I was like, boy, you're good at this. Mike. You know,

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Speaker 4: He's like, yeah, he's phrased it that one a little

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Speaker 4: bit different. And don't think anything that comes out of

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Speaker 4: that guy's mouth at a press conference isn't exactly the

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Speaker 4: way he wants it to be too, you know. And

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Speaker 4: and it was basically that sort of way, and what

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Speaker 4: capacity I think it was kind of the phrasing or

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Speaker 4: something like that, or situational or something like that. You know,

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Speaker 4: it is the wording.

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Speaker 3: Something that stood out to the old news Hound.

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Speaker 2: Again, the way that these guys speak, they're so calculated

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Speaker 2: that with everything that quote really stood when I saw

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Speaker 2: that come across the timeline right as we were about

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Speaker 2: to go to break. It'll be great to have him back.

553
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Speaker 2: And what capacity we won't know until Sunday, but it'll

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Speaker 2: be great to have him back.

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Speaker 3: I am now.

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Speaker 2: I think in the camp of I'll be surprised if

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Speaker 2: we don't see nohing again. I'm not saying he's gonna

558
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Speaker 2: play fifty snaps sixty stas breathing, I don't, but but

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Speaker 2: that to me sounds like they are pretty confident he's

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Speaker 2: going to be available in some Again, to use that

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Speaker 2: word capacity.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the phrasing is important with this stuff.

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Speaker 3: The phrasing is very important with for a living.

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Speaker 4: These guys really know these things.

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Speaker 2: And these guys do not say again, everything that they

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Speaker 2: say and share is calculated, and so to say something

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Speaker 2: like that, I would think.

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Speaker 3: Bodes pretty well for TJ.

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Speaker 2: Watt and at least seeing ninety return to action in

570
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Speaker 2: that must win game on Sunday night. Matt, we have

571
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Speaker 2: some other Steelers news of the day to get to

572
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Speaker 2: before we start diving into your stats packet and all

573
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Speaker 2: that good stuff. And that is two regular season end

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Speaker 2: of the year type awards that were given out by

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Speaker 2: the Steelers yesterday, and that is the Chief Award and

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Speaker 2: the Joe Green Performance Award. Chief Award is given to

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Speaker 2: the member of the Steelers deemed best at dealing with

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Speaker 2: the media, and the Joe Green Performance Award part of

579
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Speaker 2: me is given to It's Steelers Rookie of the.

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Speaker 4: Year Rookie Award.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Patrick Queen wins the Chief Award and Derek

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Speaker 2: Harmon wins the Joe Green Performance Award. Chief Awards a

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Speaker 2: little more difficult for you and I to speak on

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Speaker 2: and toss.

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Speaker 4: Maybe we should have mentioned the Hallock or.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good that's a good point.

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Speaker 4: Actually a miss. He's not exactly a reporter type, but

588
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Speaker 4: she deals with these guys a lot in the capacity

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Speaker 4: to I definitely want to bring that.

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Speaker 3: Bring that her tomorrow, good call.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of the pursuited Dale conversation we have

592
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Speaker 4: had too that these guys take that award seriously and

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Speaker 4: they I remember Dale was real stringent about who he

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Speaker 4: voted for. You know, I like you, I'm not just

595
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Speaker 4: he seemed nice to me whatever I do. Yeah, like

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Speaker 4: they take it seriously and not everybody wants to deal

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Speaker 4: with the media. That's what I was.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it typically goes to the guy, and it makes

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Speaker 2: sense with Patrick Queen, whether the Steelers win by fifty

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Speaker 2: or whether they lose an ugly thirteen to six game

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Speaker 2: in Cleveland with the shot to win the division, Patrick

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Speaker 2: Queen will stand up there and he'll answer questions, and

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Speaker 2: the good and the bad, he'll he'll, he'll stand up

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Speaker 2: and be counted. Yeah, Yeah, that's that to me is

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Speaker 2: the type of person that the award usually goes to.

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Speaker 2: A lot of guys will talk after a win but

607
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Speaker 2: don't want to say anything. It's it's the guy that

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Speaker 2: you can count on, good, bad, indifferent, He'll he'll he'll

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Speaker 2: stand up and be counted.

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Speaker 4: So they all kind of meant paraphrasing the story. But

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Speaker 4: to Castro when Di Castro was drafted, I mean, he's

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Speaker 4: Stanford smart. I mean obviously smart, but he is strictly

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Speaker 4: business straight, business, barely said anything. Not a fun interview.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't like mean to the meaning say not in

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Speaker 2: a like a jerk type wayen interview, but he just

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Speaker 2: was so hyper focused didn't have much to say.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, not not a real fun listen for the fans

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Speaker 4: to hear Di Castro say things. But over the years,

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Speaker 4: that offensive line, Pouncey to Castro, big Al Ramon, et cetera,

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Speaker 4: et cetera, really became leaders in the backbone of that team.

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Speaker 4: I mean, obviously Gothlisberger was there too, and Dale talks

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Speaker 4: about how Di Castro thought it became. He looked at

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Speaker 4: it through the lens of this is more important than

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Speaker 4: I thought. It's more than just I'm speaking for my teammates.

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Speaker 4: I'm deflecting some of the bigger issues here, you know,

626
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Speaker 4: like you can come to me, you know, and I'll

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Speaker 4: tell you what I think, you know, And I think

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Speaker 4: that's kind of cool. You know. Again, I don't quite

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Speaker 4: understand the reporter world, but trying to do it through

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Speaker 4: these guys lens that we know so well, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, same here you'll laugh at this to peel back

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Speaker 2: the curtain for everybody. And I was actually joking with

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Speaker 2: Tyler about this when we got into the studio today.

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Speaker 2: Every once in a while, when it would be a

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Speaker 2: Saturday night in Tampa Bay mm hmm, and the Steelers

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Speaker 2: are playing the Buccaneers, the next day and myself and

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Speaker 2: Dale Lawley and Mike Persuda would be out on the town.

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Speaker 3: Having a good time.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, if I would want to get those guys

640
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Speaker 2: fired up, I'd be like, you guys really like self righteous.

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Speaker 2: You got to give out an award at the end

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Speaker 2: of the season, Like that would be always one of

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Speaker 2: my things that I knew I could get.

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Speaker 3: They had the things they could get me going on.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure different hockey topics or WVU topics that

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Speaker 2: they that they want to if they ever wanted a

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Speaker 2: jab with me, that was always mine for them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, who cares about that?

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Speaker 3: It's like, oh what you guys.

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Speaker 2: Gonna go cry that Juju only talked to the media

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Speaker 2: for ninety seconds.

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Speaker 3: And then give you guys enough of your time. Yeah,

653
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 3: so important.

654
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 4: But I do think be sure they've jump down your throat.

655
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, they.

656
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: Would get that, would they go from zero to one

657
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 2: hundred and half a second?

658
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 4: You kids these days think you could get everything off

659
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 4: of social media exactly.

660
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 2: But I do still think even as much as the

661
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 2: world has changed in that media capacity and we're now

662
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six, the the guys in the locker

663
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 2: room that again, not just after we beat the Baltimore Ravens,

664
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: not just after, you know, we go on a three

665
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 2: game winning streak. Well, we'll talk to the media, the

666
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: guys that will answer the tough questions, and we'll you know,

667
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 2: we'll face the music in all settings. I do think

668
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: there's still something to be said for those guys in

669
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: the locker room. I do think that's important.

670
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 4: I you too, And I think their teammates respected too.

671
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 4: Like I don't want to be that guy. I'm glad

672
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 4: you're doing it for me, And I think that's kind

673
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 4: of why the Castro became that guy.

674
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 3: I think, in a lot of capacities, the best leaders.

675
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 4: Do you got it?

676
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 5: Guys?

677
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 4: Yeah? Right, I know not everyone wants to deal with that.

678
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 4: I'll handle it, you.

679
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 3: Know, exactly right.

680
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 5: Uh.

681
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 2: And then the Joe Green Performance Award quite simply just

682
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 2: a vote for the Steelers Rookie of the Year.

683
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 3: And I don't think there's.

684
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 4: A ton of who's even runner up.

685
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 2: Well, you didn't have a second round pick, which makes

686
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 2: it a little more difficult.

687
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 3: Sawyer, Yeah, Caleb.

688
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 2: Johnson obviously not much of a factor. I mean, I

689
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 2: think it's it's Sawyer and Harmon.

690
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 4: Now that's not a wonderful reflection on the draft class

691
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 4: to date. But really got nothing from your day two guys.

692
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 3: We only had one and I haven't gotten anything from him.

693
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, now I don't. I'm not implying that this class

694
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 4: is going to be worthless or they sure missed on it.

695
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 4: But you didn't get a ton of rookie production. No overall,

696
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 4: I mean Harmon didn't. Even it was good ones out there.

697
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 4: Everyone's happy with Rmon, but any play a full season.

698
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 2: You know, there's been some years where this award has

699
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 2: been difficult to give out because you have multiple viable candidates.

700
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 4: One year Daniel Sopolvo won it as a punter. One

701
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 4: year Patrick Bailey won it as a special team or

702
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 4: undrafted free agent linebacker. You know, like, yes, it's not

703
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 4: always picking from.

704
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: The There's there's been some some some some really good

705
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: winners in this regard. The last couple like Zach Fraser

706
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: won this award, Joey Porter Junior won this award. Great

707
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 2: at rookies right there. But there's there's been some some

708
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: other lighter years. I think Derek Harmon is deserving. I

709
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: also just think it is telling to the lack of

710
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 2: rookie production, like you mentioned when it typically wouldn't go

711
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 2: to a guy who missed a few games. Yeah, but man,

712
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: there's been He's been so impactful, and there's been such

713
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 2: a clear difference when he's been on the field and

714
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 2: off the field. I think he's a deserving a deserving winner.

715
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 4: I do too, Like I don't know, if we looked

716
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 4: at the last thirty of them, I bet his case

717
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 4: is as strong as fifteen of them. Yeah, you know

718
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 4: what I mean. But to me, the concerning part was

719
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 4: who's number two? You know, like, it's clearly him.

720
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 3: It's clearly him.

721
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the the the more difficult question might

722
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 2: be who's number three? Because if you put Sawyer too,

723
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 2: I guess it would be why a black Carson Brunner

724
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 2: has been a real contributor on special team.

725
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 4: He's gonna be a keeper as a special teamer. But

726
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 4: that's I mean, is there any undrafted guys? I mean

727
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 4: you immediately think of a draft picks, but yeah, no,

728
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 4: it's not. It's not a wealth to pick from when you.

729
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 2: When you don't have a second round pick and your

730
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 2: third round pick has next to no contribution, right right,

731
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 2: It's it's a little thinner in that regard this year,

732
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 2: but hopefully that won't be the case always moving forward here.

733
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, noteworthy though is noteworthy.

734
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 2: I do think pretty soon, maybe even by the time

735
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: you and I go on air tomorrow or at some

736
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:57,959
Speaker 2: point today, that we will have Steelers Team MVP as well,

737
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 2: because I heard Calvin Austin on the highly rated chalk

738
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 2: Talk program on Tuesdays with Jerry Dulak on w DVE

739
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 2: talking about how they had voted this week for Team MVP.

740
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 3: So I would I would just imagine, do you think

741
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 3: it's Rogers?

742
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I mean Cam's come on

743
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 4: really strong. High Smith's been ridiculous when he's been on

744
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 4: the field. It's a couple of defensive guys that have

745
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 4: could throw porter, you know, could throw their hat in

746
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 4: the ring. Heck yeah, but it's a quarterback and the

747
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 4: offense is gone as he's gone.

748
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: I think it's about that simple. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I

749
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 2: think it's about that simple. He's at the position that

750
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: more often than not wins these things, of course. And uh,

751
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 2: and yeah, I think there's been there's been not much

752
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: of a doubt that it's been him, because there hasn't

753
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 2: been the Cam's been outstanding, oh man, but he just

754
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: doesn't have the same tangible impact as a quarterback. You know,

755
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 2: someone like TJ, who typically.

756
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 4: He could win this every year almost you could feel.

757
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 2: The impact every year. It hasn't been quite to that.

758
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 2: Yeah he's not this year. And then it's not like

759
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 2: you've got a Derek Henry style running back, you know,

760
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: an Antonio Brown style wide receiver.

761
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be Aaron Rodgers.

762
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 4: So players vote for this one, yes, so not to

763
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 4: give you a hard time, but they're not going to

764
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 4: care about the stats as much like they understand the

765
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 4: value of Cam.

766
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 3: It's actually a very good point. This isn't like an

767
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 3: all pro.

768
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 4: Or a bunch of writers like I don't know who

769
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 4: the best guard is or you know whatever.

770
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 2: And now that you go down that that way, that alleyway,

771
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: that pathway, that wormhole there.

772
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 4: I assumed Cam's won before. I was just gonna I

773
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 4: should know these.

774
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 2: So really, what I was going to say is, I

775
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 2: don't think Cam has won it before, which maybe his

776
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,479
Speaker 2: teammates are looking around like this guy deserves one.

777
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 4: I think like Ben hardly ever won it, and.

778
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 3: I think only one at once.

779
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 4: And there's a lot of talk down there that he's

780
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 4: told people done both.

781
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 2: Two thousand and nine was the only time that Ben

782
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: won it, so over the whole list, I do. I

783
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 2: mean it's been you can imagine a ton of TJ.

784
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: TJ won it last year and the year before, So.

785
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 4: If you're gonna win Defensive Player of the Year, you

786
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 4: should probably win your team MVP two.

787
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: Yes, twenty two it was Mega Fitzpatrick okay, okay, so

788
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: twenty four and twenty three we're TJ. Twenty two was MACA,

789
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: but twenty one, twenty and nineteen also TJ. So TJ

790
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 2: has won five of the last six MENCA being the

791
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: lone exception there. Juju won in eighteen AB and seventeen,

792
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 2: lev Bell in sixteen AB and fifteen lev Bell and

793
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: fourteen AB and thirteen.

794
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 4: Well, it's funny how the defense and offensive massive sways here.

795
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, So AB won it won two, three, four times.

796
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 2: I think I think he had the most until TJ

797
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 2: won it for the fifth time last year. Gotcha, lev

798
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 2: Bell won it twice, Heath won it once, Ben won

799
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 2: it once, Deebo won it twice, Heines Ward and Casey

800
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 2: Hampton and James Ferrier. Heines Ward won it three times. Actually,

801
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 2: le Von Kirkland multiple time winner, Jerome at Is multiple

802
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 2: time winner. Now now really starting to date myself with

803
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 2: some of these ones. But I was just trying to

804
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: look at looks like it looks like TJ. Top of

805
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 2: the Mountain, AB second, maybe tied was with.

806
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 4: No.

807
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think AB's second most five what has five

808
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: five of the last six, which is pretty pretty stink

809
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 2: and impressive.

810
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 4: And then even if for somebody else this year, I think,

811
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 4: so it's bad, but he's win it this year. Yeah.

812
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: And if you look like back in the seventies, I mean, man,

813
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 2: just it was a who's who of Franco and Andy

814
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 2: Russell and Joe Green and Mel Blunt and Lambert and

815
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: Bradshaw won it back to back years in seventy seven

816
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: and seventy eight, Stalworth, Donnie Shell, Lambert again there uh

817
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 2: Stalworth again. So a lot of guys with two or three.

818
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 2: But I think AB is the only.

819
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 4: Competition in that neighborhood though.

820
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 3: Pretty it's like you're going to the Hall of Fame.

821
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 2: I'm going to Hall of Fame distinct. Kirkland was a

822
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: back to back winner. Yeah, a lot of guys with

823
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 2: two and three, but I think AB and T. J.

824
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: Watt the only I'm seeing with four and five respect

825
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: respectably between those two.

826
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 4: Probably gonna have a new one. Probably Cam has won.

827
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 4: I think Cam will get some serious votes.

828
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 3: I think he will, I think you will, and I

829
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 3: think he deservedly.

830
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 4: So I don't think that that's He's been really really

831
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 4: good lately too. Yes, I think he's super important this

832
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 4: game too. Their their guards are very suspect.

833
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 3: I agree with you.

834
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 2: I'm with you on that one. Trying to see here

835
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: because we're getting some tweets rolling in about practice, but

836
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: nothing specific in terms of availability.

837
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 4: So with that, maybe the second hour we'll get a

838
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 4: little more news.

839
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 3: Let's save that for the second hour.

840
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 2: I do want to talk a little college football playoff

841
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 2: with you in the second hour too. We had a

842
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 2: game last night, we got some games going on now,

843
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 2: but we have to get into plenty of Matt's stats

844
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 2: today as it's a Thursday, and that is typically what

845
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 2: we do in kind of a way to set the

846
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 2: scene for the upcoming action this weekend. And Matt, I

847
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 2: know we've talked about this before, but this one's still

848
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 2: stay fans out to me. The Steelers have led in halftime.

849
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 2: Led at halftime in eleven games this season, second most

850
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 2: in the league. They've lost four games after leading at halftime.

851
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 3: Most in the league.

852
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 2: Mostly and this one, to me has it's been kind

853
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 2: of tough to pinpoint because at times lately it felt

854
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 2: like they've been better out of the locker room.

855
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and the time possession stuff's been better. To me,

856
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 4: this reflects a lot in the time possession and plays

857
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 4: throughout the year.

858
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 2: Yes, and I think typically in that kind of stretch

859
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 2: and like October November time frame where they were really

860
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: struggling in that department.

861
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 4: YEP.

862
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: Across sixty seven pass attempts, this one paints a picture.

863
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 2: Sixty seven times this year the Steelers were throwing the

864
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 2: football with DK metcalf off the field.

865
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 3: So either just because he was on the.

866
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 2: Sideline for a second or missed a game, or missed

867
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 2: or missed a game, Aaron Rodgers has completed just fifty

868
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 2: six point seven percent of those passes, averaging just four

869
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: point seven yards per attempt a two point five second

870
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 2: average to throw an explosive pass rate of ten point

871
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 2: four percent.

872
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 4: So I think it's pretty clear over the course of Rogers'

873
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 4: career well, he's called it like a woobie, you know,

874
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 4: his favorite guy, his buddy, you know. I mean, it's

875
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 4: Jordy Nelson's DeVante Adams. Clearly, it's metcalf here, and some

876
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 4: of it's I mean, everyone's number one receiver, you know,

877
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 4: the offense coordinator schemes up your best guy, blah blah

878
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 4: blah blah. But I think it's stronger with Rogers than

879
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 4: with most quarterbacks. And frankly, to be honest, I thought

880
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 4: that hurt him against the Browns. Was I think he

881
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 4: tried to take mvs and Okay, he's gonna be my guy. Now, well,

882
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 4: he's not good enough to do that, you know what

883
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 4: I mean. I can't just wrote to him over and

884
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 4: over he's gonna make plays. That's not Devonte Adams out there.

885
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 4: This guy's been on several teams. He's not the answer,

886
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 4: you know. I mean. So, I don't know that Rogers,

887
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 4: at this stage of his career over changed his ways

888
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 4: or has regrets. But I got the feeling that he

889
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 4: was feeding one guy, not unnecessarily, but more than he deserved.

890
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Speaker 3: Makes sense.

891
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and he's had some really good guys to

892
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 2: feed in that regard over his career, but I it's

893
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: well known at this point. He's been in the NFL

894
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 2: for over two decades. He likes his guys, he likes

895
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 2: the people that he's comfortable with, that he can that

896
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 2: he can trust.

897
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Speaker 4: I mean, even with the Jets, he was feeding Garrett

898
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 4: Wilson early, but then him and Wilson weren't a great

899
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 4: They weren't together because Wilson's more of an improv guy.

900
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 4: He's not where he's supposed to be. Doesn't mean he's

901
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 4: a lesser receiver, he's a different style.

902
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 2: Rogers loves little George Pickens esque there, freelancing stuff.

903
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 4: But when they trade for Adams, that was the guy. Yes,

904
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 4: he fed him like crazy, right.

905
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 2: Yes, And and hey, he's far from the only quarterback

906
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 2: in the NFL that has had his guys.

907
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 4: And likes the guys. Yeah, I mean mahomes of Kelsey,

908
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 4: you know.

909
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,959
Speaker 2: I mean hundred percent Brady with Welker and Edeman, those

910
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: those guys operate on such a high level, such a

911
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 2: you know, a plane of their own, that there's not

912
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 2: a lot of people that can speak the language and

913
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: keep up with them at times.

914
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Speaker 4: And I wonder, I mean, again, it's a way bigger

915
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 4: project than I'm taking on. But if if you looked

916
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Speaker 4: at all like the Hall of Fame style quarterbacks, how

917
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 4: big a gap would there be production wise when you

918
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 4: take away their number one. My hunch is Rogers gaps bigger.

919
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 3: Than he might be towards the top.

920
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 4: He could be higher than most, right.

921
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 3: That would make sense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hour in the books, Another hour Togo, We're gonna

923
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: dig a bunch of more of these math stats that

924
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 2: we have to get into. An hour number two, we'll

925
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 2: talk a little bit about the college football playoff. We

926
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 2: got to do our pick a player exercise with the

927
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Speaker 2: Baltimore Ravens.

928
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I don't.

929
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 2: Know why, but the way you just said that, we laugh.

930
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we have got plenty of shocks.

931
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 4: Every week. I always forget about it.

932
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 2: That's like me on Tuesday nights. I know that Tuesday

933
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 2: nights is when I have to put the trash out

934
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 2: because trash comes Wednesday mornings.

935
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 3: But it still surprises me every Tuesday night, still.

936
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 4: Like, oh the garbage.

937
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Speaker 2: Right as I'm getting ready to go to bed. Halfway

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Speaker 2: home here on the drive, Hour number two. On the

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Speaker 2: other side, Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network