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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky

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Speaker 1: back with you, and uh Buck, we've got a We've

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Speaker 1: We're gonna work by division and uh and do something

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Speaker 1: we've been talking about for a while, which is, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have a good mixture today of players and teams.

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Speaker 1: How you doing, man, Man, I'm doing great, uh.

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Speaker 2: DJ. It's a quick turnaround because we go from talking

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Speaker 2: to all NFL stuff to now we're full bore into

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Speaker 2: the draft and you look up to what combine is

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Speaker 1: Man, I'm trying to get all these guys watched. I'm

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Speaker 2: A lot of guys to go through.

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Speaker 1: But I you know, as we always remind everybody this

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think what people have to understand, especially

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Speaker 1: rest of the offense. Here the skill guys, why don't

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Speaker 2: Okay, here we go. So white House, now you know

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Speaker 1: All right, running backs.

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Speaker 2: There we go Jonathan Brooks from Texas, Trade Benson Florida State,

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Speaker 1: What every time you do that, you're an idiot, like

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Speaker 2: like the right kid from Tennessee. Certain these eventures Marshall

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Speaker 1: wrong there. And then Tanner McLaughlin was kind of like

430
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Speaker 1: a fine for me going through there from Arizona. Who's

431
00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,520
Speaker 1: a good player, who can who's really got some twitch

432
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Speaker 1: to him.

433
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Speaker 2: And I had those guys, I like it. I had

434
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Speaker 2: another one for you, the kid from Colorado State, Uh,

435
00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:22,240
Speaker 2: Dalen Hooker.

436
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yep, yep, I did too.

437
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Speaker 2: Yeah he was. He was a good little player, a

438
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,719
Speaker 2: good little h back player. Showed up well at the

439
00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,720
Speaker 2: East West Shrine Bowl and you just can see like

440
00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,040
Speaker 2: he can catch and DJ. It's one of those things

441
00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,120
Speaker 2: where we talk about, hey man, you know the group

442
00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,920
Speaker 2: is a little different than whatever, but look we're going third,

443
00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,600
Speaker 2: fourth round. There gonna be some guys taken that ended

444
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Speaker 2: up having kind of production and we ended up talking

445
00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,760
Speaker 2: about kind of like Isaiah Likely, it's kind of been

446
00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,119
Speaker 2: the guy from Coasta Carolina. They went to the Baltimore Ravens.

447
00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,800
Speaker 2: That has U kind of teased us with his talents.

448
00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:54,840
Speaker 2: I mean, so there'd be some guys that emerge.

449
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Speaker 1: All right, give me some offensive lineman here and just

450
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Speaker 1: rip through them and then we'll take a break.

451
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, look really good offensive tackle class, like in

452
00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,480
Speaker 2: terms of just the depth, Joe Out from Notre Dame,

453
00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:11,840
Speaker 2: uh Fashanu from Penn State, Alis Fuaga from Oregon State,

454
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,720
Speaker 2: Amirius Memes from Georgia, JC Lengtham from Alabama, and then

455
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:22,639
Speaker 2: keep an eye on Troy who some people guard them

456
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Speaker 2: as a tackle. So this is what's hard, because like

457
00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,440
Speaker 2: when we go to the interior guys, let's let's rip

458
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Speaker 2: somebody because somebody's got the interior our tackle. So I

459
00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,120
Speaker 2: have Graham Bardon from Duke Jackson, Powers Johnson from Oregon,

460
00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,920
Speaker 2: Cooper BB from Kansas State, Chris Haynes from yukat Zach

461
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:41,239
Speaker 2: Center from Michigan, and then Jamion Cohen from Miami. Some

462
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,840
Speaker 2: of those guys that played offensive tackle and our projections

463
00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,320
Speaker 2: to go inside the guard or center and those things.

464
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Speaker 2: And so the group itself is just solid. And I think, man,

465
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,280
Speaker 2: we talked about first round middle of the second round.

466
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Speaker 2: There can be a lot of offensive tackles on the

467
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Speaker 2: offensive lineman that kind of come off the because it's

468
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Speaker 2: a really good run, a really good supply this year, yep.

469
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Speaker 1: And you've got the mix of polished guys and then

470
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Speaker 1: you've got some some real athletic upside plays there as well.

471
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Speaker 1: So it's a good group of I think ten to

472
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Speaker 1: eleven tackles deep in this draft. Two interior guys, I

473
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Speaker 1: would say buck that. I think it'll be in the

474
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Speaker 1: mix as you continue to work through these guys as

475
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Speaker 1: we go through the whole process, I think that'll rise up.

476
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Speaker 1: I do think Frasier from West Virginia is really talented.

477
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 1: He was hurt Zach, He's got all the wrestling stuff

478
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Speaker 1: that you love as a center. And then I would

479
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Speaker 1: say Poony from Kansas, who had a really good week

480
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Speaker 1: down there at the Senior Bowl. I think you'll see

481
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Speaker 1: him kind of rise up as we go through the

482
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Speaker 1: rest of the process. But yeah, that's a that's a

483
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Speaker 1: solid list. We're going to take a quick break. We

484
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Speaker 1: will we'll go through the defense after this break, and

485
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Speaker 1: then we'll get into the AFC East and some building

486
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Speaker 1: block foundational pieces here just a minute right after this,

487
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Speaker 1: All right, Buck, let's flip it over to the defensive

488
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Speaker 1: side of the ball.

489
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go to it. So we'll start from front

490
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 2: to back. Let's start with the edge rushers. So remember

491
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Speaker 2: some of these guys are three to three point stances.

492
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 2: Some guys are stand up guys. But we'll start off

493
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Speaker 2: Dallas Turner from Alabama, Leatu Latu from UCLA, Jared Verse

494
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,200
Speaker 2: from Florida State, Chop Robinson from Penn State, and Brayln

495
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:20,880
Speaker 2: Trice from Washington.

496
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. I think the debate is going to

497
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Speaker 1: be two and three. Similar to the quarterbacks, where you

498
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Speaker 1: talk to teams that are LAT two teams, there are scouts,

499
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Speaker 1: there are a law too scouts, and then there's those

500
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Speaker 1: that are Jared Verse fans. So it's it's different. It's

501
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Speaker 1: the polished craftsman and lat too. It's the twitchy, you know, explosive, physical,

502
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 1: powerful Verse. And then I think most people are gonna

503
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Speaker 1: have Alabama at the top with Turner because of his

504
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Speaker 1: ability to kind of do a little bit of both

505
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: and to bend. So I think that's that's why I

506
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Speaker 1: think that's kind of shapes those top three guys.

507
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think it shapes it and lotso, Man,

508
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 2: you just can't stop watching just the relentless motor, the

509
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Speaker 2: efforditty Zippis. We always talk about effort not necessarily been

510
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 2: a talent, but we've seen that high energy guys are

511
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 2: able to really produce double digit secks if they go

512
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 2: to the right spot, have the right situation, and can

513
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 2: create those right opportunities. Chop Robinson is also interested to

514
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 2: me when you talk about just twitchiness. Oh, duction doesn't match,

515
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 2: doesn't match like the athletic performance. But man, we've seen

516
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 2: Pennas State have some guys of late they can come

517
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 2: in and kind of make play splash plays on occasion

518
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 2: despite not having like these long pedigrees and long resumes

519
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 2: of success.

520
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they got other Edgruss on the other side of

521
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Speaker 1: the Isaac who's a good player. But Chop Robinson's fascinating

522
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 1: because his name is appropriate because he takes those little

523
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Speaker 1: choppy steps. Buck in every D line coach that I've

524
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Speaker 1: ever been around always talks about hey, gain ground, Oh go,

525
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 1: let's go gain around, get off the ball. How much

526
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Speaker 1: ground can you cover in your first three steps? And

527
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Speaker 1: he's just like, so, I think he's going to have

528
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Speaker 1: to lengthen that out a little bit. It's something for

529
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Speaker 1: him to work on, but he is. He is very

530
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Speaker 1: very twitched up, very very explosive. All right, let's keep

531
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Speaker 1: let's move backwards off there.

532
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Speaker 2: Then what we got here we go, So let's go

533
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 2: defensive Tacklesjerson Newton from Illinois, Byron Murphy from Texas, to

534
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 2: and Andre Sweat from Texas, Chris Jenkins from Michigan, and

535
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 2: Brandon Dourius from Org.

536
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so a couple of things. Jenkins is gonna test

537
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 1: like a freak from Michigan. Doesn't make a ton of plays.

538
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: He's tough to evaluate because he doesn't have a lot

539
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: of action, doesn't make a lot of things happen. It's

540
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Speaker 1: just that he's gonna be a really really impressive physical specimen.

541
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Speaker 1: He's gonna run fast. Newton's really really good with his hands.

542
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: I appreciate what he does as a rusher to me,

543
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Speaker 1: Byron Murphy, and I think we'll see it in the testing.

544
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Speaker 1: I haven't talked to where he's training yet. I'll get

545
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Speaker 1: those numbers before we get to the combine. I have

546
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Speaker 1: a feeling that Bier Murphy's gonna test like a freak oh.

547
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Speaker 2: Well, normally Texas guys are always like really good testers

548
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 2: because they get like I mean, they get some of

549
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 2: the best recruits to get some of the best athletes,

550
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Speaker 2: and then they unleashed him. He is kind of freakish

551
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Speaker 2: when you kind of see the movement, just the movement

552
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 2: skills and even Devandre Sweat like someone that big moving around,

553
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 2: like you see stuff that you're not supposed to.

554
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Speaker 1: We don't know how big though. He has to get

555
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: on the scale with the combine buck. He didn't get

556
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Speaker 1: on the scaled Senior Bowl, Like you gotta get on

557
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: a scale, big fellow.

558
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 2: Come on now, like just yeah, I've all tell you

559
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 2: that it's gonna be big. I hope he doesn't bust

560
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 2: the scale, but he's gonna be huge. Chris Jenkins is interesting. Obviously.

561
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Speaker 2: I was in Carolina with his dad. His dad is

562
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 2: a two time Pro Bowl, two time All Pro, four

563
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Speaker 2: time Pro bowler, and so blood lines and legacy will

564
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 2: certainly help him. You talk about the lack of production,

565
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 2: but I don't know if there's been a very productive

566
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 2: Michigan d lineman that played on the interior coming out.

567
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 2: They just kind of played their roles and set it

568
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 2: up for other guys, but he's an interesting one to watch. Yep,

569
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Speaker 2: Maurice Hurst.

570
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Speaker 1: I go back to Maurice Hurst, maybe the last really yeah,

571
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Speaker 1: productive interior guy there. All right, let's go to off

572
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Speaker 1: the ball.

573
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Speaker 2: Linebackers. What we got so off to all? Linebackers is

574
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Speaker 2: another entrant class. We talked about linebackers kind of being

575
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 2: the defensive version of running backs where the value may

576
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 2: not always be there. But there's some intriguing players, some

577
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 2: that I would take flyers on Edrian Cooper from Texas

578
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 2: A and m Jeremiah Charldon junior from Clemson, Peydon Wilson from

579
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Speaker 2: n C State, Cedric Gray from North Carolina, and then

580
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 2: Junior Colston from Michigan. And of that group, uh, THEOK

581
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Speaker 2: Cooper I think is terrific. In terms of an athlete.

582
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 2: Jeremiah Child junior, it's interesting to me just because similar

583
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Speaker 2: to his dad, man, he is a traffic cop. He

584
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 2: kind of understands if they throws it and stings that

585
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 2: plays it. Maybe plays a step faster than his athleticism

586
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 2: been talent because he just kind of knows what's going

587
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: on and he has some of that that energy and

588
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: that edge that his dad had I'm just a really

589
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 2: really good player. And we talked about edge and energy.

590
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 2: Peydon Wilson is man. He is an energy bus. He

591
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 2: comes bull afire, he is nasty, he's aggressive. I mean,

592
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 2: he just makes plays. This dude chases all up and

593
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 2: down the field like people see that tape where he's

594
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 2: just running down the field in pursuit. Just a really

595
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 2: good player. So I actually like the linebacker class. I

596
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 2: don't think that you necessarily have to take one in

597
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 2: the first round, but I think in the second, third

598
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 2: round these guys are gonna come in and make immediate contributions. Yep.

599
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Speaker 1: No, I think there's some good ones in there. Edrin

600
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: Cooper to me, is is the top one as well.

601
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 1: He's can he can really cover, he can run and

602
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: he can cover, which is what you're looking for in

603
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: today's linebacker. All right, let's go, uh save the corners

604
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: for last, because I love the corner group. How about safeties?

605
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 2: Okay, So safety class is so all over the place

606
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 2: in terms of what you're looking for. One, it's already

607
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 2: a hard position to evaluate because depending on how you're

608
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 2: gonna play him in the pros, you may not necessarily

609
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 2: get that. Uh. In college. But I'm gonna go with

610
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 2: Tyler Neubman from Minnesota, Gamon Kitchens from Miami, Javon Bullet

611
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 2: from Georgia, Kaylen Bullock from USC, and then take Smith

612
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 2: from Georgia.

613
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: Yep, I would say, And I still have to do

614
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: several of those guys. So that's a position that I've

615
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: I've got a ton of work yet to do. But

616
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,479
Speaker 1: of the text I get from teams on asking like

617
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 1: what do you think about this player, Kaylen Bullock's name

618
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: comes up a lot. I think it's because he's he's

619
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: tall and rangy, he's freaking fast. I saw him play

620
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 1: against my son in high school, so I saw him

621
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Speaker 1: in high school. Yeah, he's a passing daimyr. And that

622
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: another kid was a UCLA was a corner too. Humphrey,

623
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: I think it was his name, but John Humphrey, John Humphrey,

624
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: that's it.

625
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

626
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 1: I think he just transferred to USC. But Kaylen Bullock

627
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: is really really athletic. Now, he's had some tackling issues, notably,

628
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: like I think people go back to the Tu Lane game.

629
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: I think he got ran over in that one. I

630
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: think you tug ran over him a couple times as well.

631
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: But really really rangy safety that teams are really really

632
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: have peaked their interest on him and sometimes even think

633
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: he played corner because he's just he's tall and along

634
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: and fast.

635
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 2: Well, this was interesting about this group. So man, their

636
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 2: years where we go through the safety class and man,

637
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 2: you can't find one guy that makes splash plays DJ.

638
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 2: These dudes have ball skills. I mean newban had thirteen.

639
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: News, got a bunch of production.

640
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, like like Books, I think has nine interceptions, Like

641
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: these dudes get their hands on the ball. And with

642
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 2: the value on turnovers in the National Football League even increasing, Man,

643
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 2: you got to have someone who has some ball skills,

644
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 2: and I think in this class you have some of

645
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: those guys, but the tackling will be the issue that

646
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 2: you have to address with a bunch of these guys

647
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 2: got cent the fielders, but can they come up and

648
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: be contributors in the ring game.

649
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

650
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 2: I think I have a little bit of a JT.

651
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: Woods wound and that I kind of bought in a

652
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: little bit of him coming out of Baylor, tall, long, fast,

653
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: tons of production. But he was not a tackler. And

654
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: you can't stay on the field, man, if you can't tackle.

655
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: It's the last line of defense.

656
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 2: Man, it's too hard because inevitably, like the running backs,

657
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: is gonna swirret through and it's gonna be you one

658
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 2: on one with a ton of space. And if you're

659
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: not able to get them down, I mean, it's a

660
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: sixty yard test down. You have to be a dependable

661
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 2: tackling That's one of the things that we've talked about,

662
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: we've texted each other throughout the year. If you get

663
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 2: tackle on the perimeter, man, it's a problem because all

664
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 2: the bubble screens and things that people are doing, you

665
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: just can't who's.

666
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: The best tackling Who is the best tackling secondary in

667
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: the NFL this year?

668
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 2: And see the Chiefs, man, they were getting people down,

669
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 2: getting them down on the ground right now, there's yeah,

670
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 2: it's not a surprise, not a surprise. All right.

671
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: We save the best for last on defense?

672
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 2: Your corner. What do you got, man? This is so tough. Man,

673
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 2: We're gonna scrimmage just a lot Terran Arnold from Alabama,

674
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: Nate Wiggins from Clemson, Cooper's Gene from Iowa, Quenyon Mitchell

675
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 2: from Toledo in kool aid McKinstry from Alabama.

676
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: Okay, I will say this. I think because you had

677
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: East West duties and you had to go down there

678
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: and you do all your work down there, that you

679
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to go to the Senior Bowl

680
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: and watch that Quenyon Mitchell every day. I think if

681
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: you'd have been at the Senior Bowl seen him every

682
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: single day, Buck, I think he would have jacked him

683
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: way up.

684
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. I heard about it. I heard he's kind of

685
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: like the star. He was the buzz. I read all

686
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 2: the reports. I saw some of the video. I know

687
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 2: he crushed it coming out of Tulita. This is your time.

688
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 2: We still got time movie.

689
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: No, I know, Like I said, Like I said, I

690
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: know you and I know what you like in players,

691
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: and I'm just telling you I've seen the future. I

692
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: don't know this is I'm Marty McFly. I'm just telling you,

693
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: when we get to April, you're gonna have Quenyan Mitchell

694
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: up higher. That's what I'm saying.

695
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. I know that he was someone

696
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 2: on the radar because you started texting and talking about

697
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 2: him early January. Early January we had.

698
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: One of the first ones I popped because everybody's like, hey,

699
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: you got to watch this kid. From Toledo, so you

700
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: have no expectation.

701
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: But I'll like, yes, it and and I think we've

702
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 2: talked about it, but I appreciate the fact that he

703
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 2: didn't bounce up, that he stayed in Toledo, he did

704
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 2: his thing. He was the big fish in a small pond,

705
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 2: but dominated. And then the fact that he goes to

706
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,959
Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl and dominates. You're right, I didn't get

707
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: a chance to put my eyes on him personally. Man,

708
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: I missed that part of it, like just being able

709
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 2: to get them there, watching the one on ones, watch

710
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: all those guys move and break and all this stuff.

711
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: There's nothing like it. But I do know that he's

712
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 2: rising with the bullet and there are a lot of

713
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 2: people that are really excited about his potential.

714
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: So again, training a lot of times, you know, you'll

715
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: get different numbers from guys when they're training. I'll just

716
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: say this, he's going to fly Pan Mitchell is going

717
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: to fly to the point where to the point where

718
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: if it's four three five, he'll hang as he'll you

719
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: will see him hang his head on the combine saying

720
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, so, yeah, he and the interesting one

721
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: to me, the one who I want to do more

722
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: on who the league is higher on than I am,

723
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: and you're higher on than I am is Wiggins because

724
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: Wiggins has got size and speed and athleticism. The games

725
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: that I watched, I think I went through three games

726
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: to start through the process. I saw him hang on blocks.

727
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: I didn't see him. He just didn't seem interested in

728
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: the run game, and so I dinged him on that.

729
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: But talking to other people, and there's like plays where

730
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: he's chase. You'll see him chasing force fumbles way down

731
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: the field. Show you some effort. I'm like, Yeah, there's

732
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: a difference between running behind somebody and catching up to

733
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: him versus getting off a block, filling forward and wanting

734
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: to get in the mix. Like that's a different thing.

735
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone will put their face in the fan, you

736
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Like it is tough out there

737
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: on the perimeter when you have to square up against

738
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: the guy that sees you looks you dead in your eyes,

739
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 2: Like will you be willing to make those tackles? You

740
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 2: talked about the Kansas City Chiefs. The one thing that

741
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: really showed up all year, manj They are a great

742
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: tackling team on the perimeter. Got a little fistiness and

743
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 2: the edge to him. But they do a great job

744
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: of getting people to down. We saw that in the

745
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 2: Super Bowl, but we saw it game after game after game.

746
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 2: They did not allow a lot of yards after.

747
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: Catch, no doubt. Well, there you go. I think that's

748
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: a that's a great list. Again, you can go to

749
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: NFL dot com. What is the U r L on

750
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: that in noveile U NFL dot com? Is it just

751
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks? I think that's what it is. I think

752
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: if you go NFL dot com and type in slash

753
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: bucket Brooks, I think that's going to take you right

754
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: where you want to be. There you go, Bucky Brooks

755
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: on NFL dot com. All right, let's let's get into

756
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: these uh these team conversations. This is something we're gonna do.

757
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: We're trying to do this for every division. We've got

758
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: our buddy Jack Andreid, who is the best in the

759
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: business when it comes to research. I gave them a

760
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: little project because we've talked in the past about a

761
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: championship foundation and what does that look like? And we

762
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: came up with on our show, you got to you know,

763
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: if you wanna a champion team, you got to start

764
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: with the quarterback. You need three offensive playmakers. You need

765
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: three quality offensive linemen. You need two pass rushers and

766
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: they can come inside, outside either way. And you need

767
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: three defensive playmakers wherever they come linebacker, secondary, like just

768
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: different second, third level players. So we had Jack then

769
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: kind of run all these teams through this formula and

770
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: see what it shook out. And so we're gonna start

771
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,959
Speaker 1: with the AFC East Buck and give people a little

772
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: bit of a glimpse into these teams and where they

773
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: are and where they could be headed. All right, you

774
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: ready to roll?

775
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: I like that you guys in that prevy to the

776
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 2: color coded system that we have. But just explain briefly

777
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: about color code so guys can kind of get a

778
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 2: peek at what happens in a draft room.

779
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we have blue we have for blue chip guys.

780
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: Green is just a good, solid player. Yellow means there

781
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: is some concern with them. It could be age, it

782
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: could be injury, it could be a contract issue. Pink

783
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: is just an unproven young player. So we'll get to

784
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: those colors as we go through the foundation, but I

785
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: want to give you a holistic look at these teams.

786
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: We'll start with the Buffalo Bills. This is a team

787
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: win eleven and six last year. Buck They have the

788
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: twenty eighth pick in the first round. They got the

789
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: sixtieth pick in the second. Salary cap yikes, they are

790
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: fifty one point three million over, so they have some

791
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: trimming to do. Notable free agents the two top ones.

792
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: I would say, you're looking at Leonard Floyd Gabe Davis,

793
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: so you got the edge rusher and receiver, as well

794
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: as Epinessa on the edge linebacker Dotson and the DT

795
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: Dakwan Jones the building block players. So if we're just

796
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: looking at age and kind of where they are in

797
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: their careers, I'll just rattle off the names.

798
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 2: Here.

799
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: You've got Josh Allen who's twenty eight, at Oliver's twenty six,

800
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: James Cook twenty four, daltonkon K twenty four, Spencer Brown

801
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: twenty six, Greg Russo twenty four, corner, Christian Benford twenty three,

802
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: Threl Bernard linebacker twenty five, Kalushekir twenty four, oh Cyrus

803
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: Torrans twenty four. But that's kind of a holistic view.

804
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 1: So now we look at let's run them through this

805
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: Championship Foundation process. So if we look at the quarterback

806
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, that's a blue. Great shape there. Offensive playmakers,

807
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: we have digs with a yellow just because you know,

808
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: we'll see where he is with his contract, you know,

809
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: getting a little bit older. We have greens, so good

810
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 1: solid players and young players at that and James Cook

811
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: and Dalton Kincaid. So do you where do you feel

812
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: about their playmakers? Because I'm looking at that saying okay

813
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: with when you have gave Davis as a free agent,

814
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know Stefan Dick's contract wise, where

815
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: that's going to go long term. It feels like and

816
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: I like k but it feels like they need still

817
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: need one more guy.

818
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: You're not they need another guy. I mean the first

819
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 2: thing that stands out to me is they need another

820
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: playmaker out wide. They need someone that can be a

821
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 2: playmate for Stefan Diggs. Gabe Davis is fine, but I

822
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: don't think you bring him back because I think the

823
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 2: inconsistencies would prevent that. But they need someone that can

824
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 2: make it happen on the perimeter or so in the draft,

825
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: I think he has to be a priority to find

826
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 2: a pass catcher that can do something with the ball in.

827
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 1: His hands, no doubt. You go to the quality offensive lineman.

828
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: We've got Dion Dawkins and Mitch Morse kind of listed

829
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: as is kind of dual yellows there where you get

830
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,280
Speaker 1: a little bit older, still good players. You've got ady

831
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: O Wel and Spencer Brown is a green, good young player. Uh.

832
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: And then you've got a purple here and my eyes

833
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 1: are gonna fail me here. Yeah, Lee, it's a really

834
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: dark in here, Osiris Torrence. So look, you could say

835
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: they're they're okay there, They've got they've got names, and

836
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: they've got they've it's a solid group there. They could

837
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: they could afford to add a little something there, but

838
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: I like where they are, especially the tackles with with

839
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: Dawkins and with Spencer Brown.

840
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, now they're still going to add something, but you

841
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 2: want to continue to fortify that off as the line

842
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: because if you can keep Josh Allen protected, he can

843
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 2: elevate the rest of the squad around it. Yep.

844
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: Then we go we go to the pass rushers. At

845
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: Oliver is a Blue and he's a Blue player as

846
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: an exerior pass rusher Greg Russo we're gonna still put

847
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 1: him as a little bit unproven as a young player.

848
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: So if you're looking at two pass rushers, and I

849
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: still think that I want to have two Blues, man,

850
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: I think they need another one.

851
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, in another one. Von von Miller is no long

852
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: that guy. He can be considered a blue caliber player.

853
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 2: So they need to have somebody. So either Rousseau has

854
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 2: to continue develop or they need to continue to find

855
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 2: one that may be in the draft.

856
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: YEP, defensive playmakers. You got Milano, You've got a young player,

857
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: and two young players there, and Benford and Bernard, You've

858
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: got some some other guys and Arren Johnson's a really

859
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: good nickel, Tredevious White, Rausseul Douglas. I still think in

860
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: terms of like that blue like a blue player, a

861
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: blue impact player. I would love to see one more,

862
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 1: one more playmaker there on the in the middle to

863
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: back end of that defense.

864
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I think they need somebody because they're gonna

865
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: lose both the safeties. They need someone that can come

866
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 2: up not only as a shut down corner but anyed

867
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: someone that can make plays over the middlefield. You think

868
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 2: with Micah Hide Jordan Poyer nearing the end of their run, Yeah,

869
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 2: it's time for them to find some other players that

870
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 2: can make it happen in the back end.

871
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: Yep, all right, let's get to uh, we'll close up

872
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: shop on them. Their last six first round picks. Dalton Kinkaid,

873
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: he had a great year last year, Kyer Elam before that,

874
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: he's still out on that. Greg Russo has been solid,

875
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: not spectacular at Oliver is a home run, Josh Allen

876
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: grand Slam, and then Tremaine Edmonds, who's a great player

877
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: for them and signed for a big money deal with Chicago.

878
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: So pretty good job they've done in the first round

879
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: there in Chicago or in Buffalo.

880
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty good job. Because they've nailed their top ten picks.

881
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 2: You would like to see them get a little more

882
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 2: out of the guys that were bottom of the first

883
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 2: round selections.

884
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to the Dolphins. Buck Last

885
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: year Dolphins eleven and six. They have the twenty first

886
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: pick in the fifty fifth pick. Another salary cap debacle.

887
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: They are fifty one point nine million over on the cap.

888
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 1: Notable free agents Christian Wilkins. I would imagine he'll get tagged.

889
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: They're not gonna let him walk away. Connor Williams coming

890
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: off of he's played well but injuries. You've got Robert

891
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: Hunt is up as well, so it's a couple of

892
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: starters on that offensive line, and then Andrew Van Ginkel

893
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: on the edge, who's played well when he's been out there.

894
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: The building blocks in terms of the age, Tua is

895
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: twenty six, Waddles twenty five, Javon Holland is only twenty four,

896
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: Jalen Phillips twenty five, eight Chance twenty two, Austin Jackson

897
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 1: is twenty five. So they've got all those players under contract,

898
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: those young pieces. When we look at the formula here

899
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 1: the Championship Foundation, Tua is a Green. Would you agree

900
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: with that? Buck just a good, solid player?

901
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think so. I mean, I think I think

902
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 2: he's a solid player. I don't think he's necessarily like

903
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 2: special in that way to rehold some of the elite quarterbacks,

904
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 2: but I think he's a very good player for what

905
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 2: they do.

906
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 1: We've got Tyreek Hills of Blue, you got Jalen Wattle

907
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: who is a Green on the cusp of a blue,

908
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: and then you've got a Chan and Mostert kind of

909
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: as that other playmaker. So playmaker wise, with Hill, Waddle eight,

910
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: Chan slash Mostert, I think the quarterback. They're solid, and

911
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: I feel like they're in a really good spot with

912
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: their three offensive playmakers.

913
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, really good spot. I mean this is a team

914
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 2: that is driven by their offense and what they do.

915
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 2: I think what you're wondering about, can they get their

916
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 2: two pad shrushers back up the speed because of Jalen

917
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 2: Phyllis and Bradley Chubb return to form. Then you have

918
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 2: an opportunity to do it. But just dealing with the injuries,

919
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: how long would it be before we see them get

920
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 2: close to what they were when they were dominating the

921
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 2: game last year.

922
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: We get to the offensive line. Austin Jackson will give

923
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: him jack gave him a green as a solid young player,

924
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: made a step forward, they paid him. Tarren Armstead is

925
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: a yellow just with the age obviously. And then they've

926
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: got two starting offensive winemen that are free agents. So

927
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: if you're saying they need three, you know, high quality

928
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: offense in lineman, I would say that is one hundred

929
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: percent a need. When it comes to the offense.

930
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 2: I mean they have the double down, triple down to

931
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 2: do it, because that's the area, that's the area of concern,

932
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 2: and it's going to have to be from organic like

933
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 2: it's gonna have to be from the draft because they're

934
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: not gonna be able to spend money to to solve

935
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 2: that problem. Yep.

936
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: Then you go to the defensive side of the ball,

937
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: love the two pass rushers with Jalen Phillips and Bradley Chubb.

938
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: Phillips is a green on the cusp of a blue.

939
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: Bradley Chubbs. Listen is a yellow just because he's had

940
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: some injuries and he's gotten up there a little bit.

941
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: He's not old, but he's up there a little bit.

942
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: So they're good there. Defensive playmakers. Javon Holland is I

943
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: would argue it could be a blue instead of really

944
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: good green, really really good player. Jalen Ramsey's a blue.

945
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: And then you've got some other, you know, guys in

946
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: the mix here with Xavian Howard, Jerome Baker, David Long

947
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,439
Speaker 1: either kind of age, injuries, you know, I think there's

948
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: a need for one more playmaker there at the second

949
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 1: third level.

950
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I think they've had up and

951
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 2: down performance of late from Xavian Howard, and so you

952
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: could think about pairing Jalen rams with another elite corner

953
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 2: to solidify that back in but you're right. This team

954
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 2: is super talented, right. They have the right pieces and

955
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: foundation in place. They just need like just a little

956
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 2: tweaking for this team to get over the hump.

957
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 1: And then you look at the last five first round picks. Waddle,

958
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: home run, Jalen Phillips, I think has been really, really

959
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: good when he's been out there. You got hurt last year.

960
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: Tuap has been solid. Obviously, that debate will live on

961
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: with him and Herbert. Him going just ahead of Herbert,

962
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: Austin Jackson taking some time, but he's developed into a

963
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: good player and Igbinoghny no longer there. So I would

964
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: say two four, I'd say four out of five in

965
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 1: their last five first round picks.

966
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 2: Good job, Yeah, solid job. The corner was a miss,

967
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 2: but that's look it happens. Sometimes you bottom of the

968
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 2: first round. Sometimes you just whiff on a player. Yep.

969
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: Let's get to the New England Patriots. New England Patriots

970
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 1: coming off of four and thirteen season. They are picking

971
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: three thirty four in the second round, sixty eight in

972
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: the third round. Projected cap space, whereas the other two

973
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: teams were zillion dollars over the cap buck they have

974
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: sixty six million in cap space in New England, so

975
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: I think it's like the third most. They have a

976
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 1: ton of cap space free agents offensive linewise, Trent Brown, Awynu.

977
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: You've got the receiver in Kendrick Bourne, Hunter, Henry the

978
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: tight end, Kasiki the tight end, and Ed Rusher Uce

979
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: and safety Dugger. Those are their free agents. Building block wise,

980
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: the first two I love man Christian Gonzalez is twenty two,

981
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 1: Barmore's twenty five d tackle, Ramandre Stevenson's twenty six, Cole

982
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: Strange twenty six, City sow twenty six guard to Mario

983
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: Douglas receiver twenty three, Keon White didn't do much last year,

984
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: twenty five, Ed Dresher, Marte Mapu personal favorite didn't do

985
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,959
Speaker 1: a lot last year, twenty four. Those would be those

986
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: those building blocks, and when we get to the championship foundation,

987
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: this is not great. This is where you're going to

988
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: see where this team is quarterback who don't even know

989
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: they don't have that guy.

990
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 2: They don't have that guy right now.

991
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that is a definite need and that's where

992
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: you start. Offensive playmakers. Ramandre Stevenson, you know, has had injuries,

993
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: but it's a good young player to Mario Douglas flashed

994
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: a little bit as a young player but unproven.

995
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 2: Juju.

996
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: I mean that's as he's a yellow on here.

997
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 2: That is so need.

998
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 1: At quarterback, we are definitely in need, I would say.

999
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 2: It, uh too.

1000
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: At least you need two playmakers.

1001
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 2: Man you need Yeah, you need to playmakers and a

1002
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: quarterback that's tough. You need another. Look at the offensive line.

1003
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: Look look at it, David Andrews, who's a yellow because

1004
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: of you know you've got age there.

1005
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 2: You might have got three offensive lineman to be able to.

1006
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: Both both tackles are free agents, so that's a that's

1007
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: a crying need. So you need We're gonna say, look,

1008
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: I like Cole Strange city styles. You know, going to

1009
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: be a solid player, but you need you still need

1010
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: two maybe three offensive lineman. Pass rushers. You've got Matt Judon,

1011
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: who's who's been a very productive player but is older.

1012
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 1: Christian Barmore is a stud. I would say he could

1013
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: be a blue. He's listed as a green on here.

1014
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: But so you need another pass rusher and then defensive playmakers.

1015
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: You've got Christian Zalez who's going to be awesome. That

1016
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: one I feel great about. Uh, you got Jabrill Peppers

1017
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: to buy and Jawan Bentley. I mean that you need

1018
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: another one or two. This team needs everywhere, everywhere. And

1019
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,439
Speaker 1: when you look at the last six first round picks,

1020
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: Christian Zales home run, Cole Strange really good player, solid,

1021
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: Mac Jones probably is done there. Nikhil Harry is no

1022
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: longer on the team, Isaiah Wins no longer on the team.

1023
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: Sony Michelle is no longer on the team. There's your

1024
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: issue right there, DJ, that is that significat.

1025
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 2: I mean, it's really bad, and it's really bad because

1026
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 2: when we think about just the way that you build

1027
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 2: your team through the draft, and you're just looking at

1028
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 2: a gosh, man, you're supposed to have like six to

1029
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 2: eight blue ship players to be at a to be

1030
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 2: able to compete at a championship level on your roster.

1031
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 2: They don't have a blue There's not a blue player

1032
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 2: that we can name. That's a huge issue. And I'll

1033
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 2: give Bill Belichick credit for coaching around the personnel issues,

1034
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 2: but I can absolutely see why it's time because man,

1035
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 2: the team as presently constructed not a good team.

1036
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 1: No, no question. All right, New York Jets, this is

1037
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 1: an interesting one. Jets seven and ten. Last year they

1038
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: have picked ten. They don't have a two, but they

1039
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: pick at seventy two in the third round. They have

1040
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: five million in cap space, so they at least have

1041
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: a little wiggle room there. Free agent wise, the big

1042
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: ones Bryce Huff who's going to get paid in the

1043
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: open market, Makai Beckton who's been battled injuries and been

1044
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: disappointing after an impressive first year, Quentin Jefferson a DT,

1045
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: Carl Lawson and Edge Rusher they paid didn't really couldn't

1046
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: you know, didn't stay healthy and wasn't really impactful. And

1047
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: Jordan White haads been a good safety for him. Here's

1048
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 1: the interesting thing about the Jets. Here are the building

1049
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: blocks in the ages. Sauce Gardner twenty four, Quentin Williams

1050
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: still only twenty six, Garrett Wilson twenty four, Breeste Hall

1051
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: twenty three, Jermaine Johnson twenty five, Vera Tucker twenty five,

1052
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: Michael Carter one of the better Nichols in the league

1053
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: twenty five, Joe Titman twenty three, Will McDonald who's going

1054
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: to probably step into a bigger role twenty five.

1055
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 2: It's a good group.

1056
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: It's a good group of young players. So we get

1057
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: to the championship foundation buck quarterback Aaron Rodgers is a

1058
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: yellow obviously because of age there, but man, if they

1059
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: can just keep him healthy, even if he just plays

1060
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: as a solid player, not a special player, they'll be

1061
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: in pretty good shape there, at least in the very

1062
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: short term.

1063
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 2: All right. So look, when you look at the Jets

1064
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 2: and we talk about the formula that's needed, when you

1065
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 2: think about the two young playmakers that they have, Garrey

1066
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 2: Wilson and Breeze Hall, those are good, need to add

1067
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 2: another one to complete it. You have Aaron Rodgers near

1068
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 2: the end of his time, and so the players that

1069
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 2: they bring in there have to be right now, players

1070
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 2: that can be able to get it done. When I

1071
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 2: look at the offensive line, it's another obviously. Look, look,

1072
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 2: the offensive line is really what crippled them last year

1073
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 2: because they're good enough on the perimeter to win, but

1074
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 2: up front, they can't win the trenches. So if I'm

1075
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 2: Joe Douglas, if I'm Robert Solad, that has to be

1076
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 2: the point of emphasis because the rest of their team

1077
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 2: is ready to go. But if you can't win at

1078
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmers, you don't have a.

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Speaker 1: Chance Yeah, I'm looking at it saying they need a

1080
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: third playmaker. So you've got Garrett Wilson and Breese Hall.

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Speaker 1: They're both Blues, young Blues, which is a good thing

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00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: to have, but you need a third guy there. Offensive

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00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: line wise. Vera Tucker is a Green who could be

1084
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: a Blue if he could stay healthy. Joe Tipman is

1085
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: a good young player, but he's unproven. So you've got

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00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: two guys there. You need the third offensive lineman Lake

1087
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: and Tomlinson has not been great. We'll see what happens

1088
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: with him. I think he's got a pretty decent sized

1089
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 1: cap hit there, and you know they need they need

1090
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: to figure out what they're gonna do. And Vera Tucker's

1091
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: flexibility to play inside outside I think helps him. I

1092
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: think you might be better served to kick Vera Tucker

1093
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: out to write tackle and then you can find some

1094
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: interior guys and free agency to come in and try

1095
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: and help on the on the defensive side. Pass rusher wise,

1096
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: they're in great shape. Quentin Williams is a Blue even

1097
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: if they lose Huff. Jermaine Johnson played great last year.

1098
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: He's a Green that has Blue potential. Uh and then

1099
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 1: defensive playmakers you know Sauce Gardner's Blue. Quincy Williams, the linebacker,

1100
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: played like a blue.

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00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 2: He's all pro. I mean, so we've gone through.

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00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: They're good on the defensive, like right.

1103
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 2: Now, comparison to the division, and we think about the

1104
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 2: number of Blues, they may have the most Blue players

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00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 2: of any team in division in these twelve places that

1106
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 2: we're talking about. I mean, it's a solid, well constructed team.

1107
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 2: They're just hurting up front on the offensive line, but defensively,

1108
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 2: they can get after it and they can get after

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00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 2: it and dominate the game in a way that puts

1110
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 2: it in their hands. And when you have a quarterback

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00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 2: who is a four time MVP, if they able to

1112
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Speaker 2: do it, to make it a fourth quarter game with

1113
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers controlling whether you win or lose, I think

1114
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 2: the Jesse to take that all day every day. Yeah.

1115
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Speaker 1: I mean, you look at their last six first round picks,

1116
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: Will McDonald, he'll step into a bigger role this year.

1117
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: You've got Sauce Gardner home run, Garrett Wilson home run,

1118
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: Jermaine Johnson home run. Those were all on the twenty

1119
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Speaker 1: two draft. Not to mention, Breese Hall was the second

1120
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Speaker 1: round pick that was an unbelievable draft in twenty two,

1121
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Speaker 1: twenty one. Zach Wilson. We all know the story there

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00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 1: didn't work out Vera Tucker has been injured, but when

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Speaker 1: he's been on the field, he's played extremely well. So

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Speaker 1: if we're looking at them, I would say really good

1125
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: hits with three home runs, four really good hits. Will

1126
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 1: McDonald tbd the and then Zach Wilson was a mess.

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00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 1: So it could end up being a five out of six,

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00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: depend on how Will McDonald plays this year. But I

1129
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: think the needs for the Jets are very obvious. Their

1130
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: offseason is going to be offense, offense, offense, it's going

1131
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: to be the offensive line, and it's going to be

1132
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: find another playmaker on the outside.

1133
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they look they have to do it.

1134
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 2: I mean, when you bring Aaron Rodgers back and we're

1135
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 2: saying this may be his last rodeo potentially, they have

1136
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 2: to find a way to help him. They got to

1137
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 2: upgrade it up front, make sure he's protected, because not

1138
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 2: only do you want him protected, you want to create

1139
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 2: room for foot ball to do his thing, because he

1140
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 2: looks like one of the best backs in the league,

1141
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 2: like he could be next As we talk about like

1142
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 2: an elite performert of the position. If that offensive line

1143
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 2: is solidified, then you get to see the players really

1144
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 2: do their thing, no doubt.

1145
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: Well, there you go. That's that's the AFC East. We'll

1146
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 1: try to do this for every division. I think it's

1147
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: healthy though, when you look at it and you can

1148
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: kind of see, Okay, there's a good there's a good

1149
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: nucleus here, and then you can look at another team

1150
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: like the New England Patriots, and you're like, man, buck,

1151
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: that is they are starting from scratch, which again is

1152
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: going to be a fascinating debate as we go to

1153
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: the draft of are you better off taking the quarterback

1154
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: and then trying to build after that or are you

1155
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: better building up the roster and then later inserting the

1156
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: quarter That's the decision they're going to have to make.

1157
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 2: That is the decision they're gonna have to make, and

1158
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 2: it's gonna be tough. That's a tough decision. But yeah,

1159
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 2: you're right. Gosh, man, I love doing this stuff. I

1160
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 2: love that deep dive. The deep dive in division was

1161
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 2: everything that I wanted to do.

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00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's again hats off to our buddy Jack

1163
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: Andreid for putting that all together, and we'll continue to

1164
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: do that as we go towards the draft. Good mix

1165
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: today of talking about some individual players as well as

1166
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,919
Speaker 1: looking at some of the team stuff buckets. You can't

1167
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: do one without the other. It all kind of works

1168
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: hand in glove, hand in glove.

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Speaker 2: I like that.

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Speaker 1: There you go, all right, Well, that's gonna do it

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Speaker 1: for us today. I hope you guys have enjoyed this one.

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Speaker 1: It's been fun. We will be back. What is today, buck,

1173
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: I don't even know what today is.

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Speaker 2: Today's Thursday. We're back next week.

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Speaker 1: We're just we're just recording to this week. So we'll

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Speaker 1: be back next week I think Tuesday, Thursday, including Thursday,

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Speaker 1: I think is my conference calls will have all that,

1178
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Speaker 1: which is a was a long one, but uh uh,

1179
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Speaker 1: be on the lookout for that content coming your way

1180
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Speaker 1: next week and we'll see you then right here Onmove

1181
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Speaker 1: the sticks.