Speaker 1: Pushkin. Hi, I'm Phil Donahue and I'm Marlowe Thomas, and
Speaker 1: we're going on a series of double dates to find
Speaker 1: out what makes a marriage last. On paper, the marriage
Speaker 1: of George Stephanopoulos and Ali Wentworth would not have been
Speaker 1: a sure thing. He's a serious, strait laced news anchor,
Speaker 1: and here she is this lively and mischievous comedian and
Speaker 1: author who will go to any length to get a
Speaker 1: laugh out of you. But the secret is George is
Speaker 1: the abbot to Alice's costello, and she's the Lucy to
Speaker 1: his rickey. So when we got a chance to visit
Speaker 1: with them in their stylish and homeye apartment on Manhattan's
Speaker 1: East Side, we knew it was going to be fun
Speaker 1: and revealing. We settled into their living room to chat
Speaker 1: and marlow asked Ali to tell us how it all began.
Speaker 1: Twenty years ago. I was talking to another single woman
Speaker 1: and I had just had a torrid love affair with
Speaker 1: this British actor and I was ready to be serious
Speaker 1: and she said, oh, me too. And I said, I'm
Speaker 1: going to introduce you to my brother, and she said,
Speaker 1: I can introduce you to my old friend, George Stephanopolis
Speaker 1: and I said, no, no, thank you very much. I'm
Speaker 1: from Washington, d C. I grew up around journalists. That's
Speaker 1: the last thing I want, you know, were your parents journalist? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and in the White House, I just I wanted Matthew
Speaker 1: Perry or Hugh Grant. You know. I just was like,
Speaker 1: I don't want that. And so a few weeks later,
Speaker 1: I was coming to New York and I thought, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm going to call him. It'll be a
Speaker 1: great dinner party story. My date with George Stefanov. I mean,
Speaker 1: it practically writes itself. So I thought, we'll have an
Speaker 1: interesting conversation and that'll be that. And I couldn't believe
Speaker 1: when I left lunch that day, on an April day,
Speaker 1: April fourth, that I said, I'm attracted to him. I'm
Speaker 1: attracted to that guy. It's not that, but I think
Speaker 1: the differences, Honey, it wasn't a blind date. I knew
Speaker 1: who you were. I knew exactly who you were. You
Speaker 1: were not my type. I wasn't your type. That's so
Speaker 1: interesting to me. Everybody always says, including us, I knew,
Speaker 1: you know, we knew, I knew, we knew I was.
Speaker 1: He interviewed me on his show, and we were lovers
Speaker 1: the next day. So that's that. Yes, we were very
Speaker 1: quickly into that, but we we knew and that was it.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you, you know how you know you
Speaker 1: when you know, you know, every other man that I
Speaker 1: had dated or had a relationship with, I was so
Speaker 1: concerned with sort of performing who I was, you know,
Speaker 1: and I just didn't feel I had to do it
Speaker 1: with them, you know. So the first time we did,
Speaker 1: I did go home with you. There wasn't a like
Speaker 1: how's my breath or oh god, my cellul lead or
Speaker 1: I just I didn't care at all. And that was
Speaker 1: that's when I really knew that I wasn't pretending to
Speaker 1: be this you were auditioning. No, I had gotten the part.
Speaker 1: What about you? It wasn't even I mean, it was immediate,
Speaker 1: you know, as close to immedia as can possibly be.
Speaker 1: I mean, we went out two or three days in
Speaker 1: a row. What what what can you? You had dated
Speaker 1: the Isle of Manhattan? Well, I mean it, and it's
Speaker 1: not and it's some based on some crazy idea of perfection,
Speaker 1: because you're right, I was forty. I dated a fair amount,
Speaker 1: but I knew this was someone who I could decide
Speaker 1: to be with you know, forever and be happy. And
Speaker 1: it's just like it's it's it's a it's a leap,
Speaker 1: it's it is. It's it's partly faith, partly intuition, attraction,
Speaker 1: and but it's nothing I've ever questioned from like, like
Speaker 1: within hours. We were engaged two months later and I
Speaker 1: was like, what is taking so long? And I had
Speaker 1: been engaged before really yeah, boxer rings if you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Yeah, but it was never even close
Speaker 1: to not happening. Never. I think age is also a
Speaker 1: factor in marriage. I just do. I all my friends
Speaker 1: that got married in their early twenties are not married now.
Speaker 1: You're just not the same person, not all of them,
Speaker 1: the majority. Immediately, one of the things we had to
Speaker 1: learn was how to accommodate respect and change with each other.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're similar in a lot of ways, but
Speaker 1: there's the kind of I am definitely an introvert despite
Speaker 1: my job and like being out socially and all that.
Speaker 1: It's hard for not hard for me, but just its
Speaker 1: like he drains me. She gets energy from being with
Speaker 1: these people. Yea, And it took us we should have
Speaker 1: gotten married. It's one of those things in life of
Speaker 1: the party. You know, for me that's been great because
Speaker 1: it's opened up a different side of myself. I think
Speaker 1: you've probably also gotten more in touch with your introverted side. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: I mean our kids have mixes of both. I'll give
Speaker 1: you an example. When we were first married, we would
Speaker 1: argue because we would go to an event, a party
Speaker 1: would take me an hour to get out the door
Speaker 1: because I talk and talk and say goodbye, and George
Speaker 1: would be sweating, you know, by the front door. He
Speaker 1: had the God it goes. And now I not only
Speaker 1: do I completely understand that, I even know when he
Speaker 1: looks at me like we're out the door, no discussion,
Speaker 1: I don't even say goodbye. And we've also learned you
Speaker 1: don't have to do everything together, Like when if I
Speaker 1: don't want to go to something, it's not a reflection
Speaker 1: on you. No, Yeah, that's that's a big thing we've
Speaker 1: We've had to come to that because Phil doesn't want
Speaker 1: to go to every fundraiser for Saint Jude Children's Research,
Speaker 1: which I drew nine thousand a year, and I at
Speaker 1: first I said, you have to come, And then after
Speaker 1: a while I thought, why does he have to? Really?
Speaker 1: Where was he go. I've started to realize that when
Speaker 1: I married Marlow, I married a hospital Somewhere. During the
Speaker 1: reception of our wedding, Danny stood up. My knew father
Speaker 1: in law stood up on her wedding. You said, I
Speaker 1: haven't lost a daughter, I've gained a fundraiser, and he did,
Speaker 1: and he had been on the show a couple of times. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got along very well, and I got along very
Speaker 1: well with her mother, an Italian who didn't like Irish people. Well, well,
Speaker 1: that's another interesting thing about marriage too, is that you know,
Speaker 1: if he had married a Greek Orthodox, that would have
Speaker 1: been the jackpot. I just slid in. But I had
Speaker 1: to charm them. But what are you do? You have
Speaker 1: a faith of your own. I'm a pure wasp. Mother's
Speaker 1: name is Muffie Mayflower wasp. But also we I mean
Speaker 1: it's we're also lucky in that way. We've never had
Speaker 1: in law issues, except for one fight over the wedding.
Speaker 1: What was the fight. Well, his mother is a very
Speaker 1: strong minded Greek woman. My mother was social secretary of
Speaker 1: the Reagan White House six feet tall. So when we
Speaker 1: decided to get married, it was very clear that these
Speaker 1: two women were going to dominate the planning, and we
Speaker 1: said have fun. Our feeling was we wanted to marry
Speaker 1: each other. We're not going to get I was not
Speaker 1: a girl who had a vision board about what my
Speaker 1: wedding was going to look like. So I've said fine,
Speaker 1: And it was a dog fight those two. So how
Speaker 1: do you two fight? We fight, not but how constructively
Speaker 1: we didn't use too I had a tendency to be
Speaker 1: a meaner fighter, but you well, yeah, you're definitely a
Speaker 1: meanor fighter. But that's you know, that's good to learn
Speaker 1: how to navigate that as well. Right, she can be
Speaker 1: a little more of a louder fighter. I'm a little
Speaker 1: bit more persistent on making sure the conversation is truly resolved.
Speaker 1: The thing that we've realized what the friends that we
Speaker 1: know that don't make it is they don't know how
Speaker 1: to come back. But to come back, you actually have
Speaker 1: to go through why you have to finish it. You
Speaker 1: have to just make sure you're actually communicating everything you
Speaker 1: need to communicate. And that's the only way. You can't
Speaker 1: just let it. You just can't push it down, right.
Speaker 1: And also you hear from other couples that didn't make it.
Speaker 1: They had fights and they would spend days not speaking
Speaker 1: to each other and then soon that kind of cannot
Speaker 1: imagine that. I can't either. We've had fights till the
Speaker 1: sun came up, till we resolved. It wasn't good for
Speaker 1: the guy who was interviewing that morning. And was that
Speaker 1: when you first got married or you still could do that,
Speaker 1: the timeline is definitely shorter. Yeah, but we always end
Speaker 1: our fight by having sex generally. Yeah, I mean that's
Speaker 1: how you that's perfect. You have to really end it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well that's what a memo said about there's only one
Speaker 1: way out of a bad fight, and that's makeup sex. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's essential. It does, it does make it go away.
Speaker 1: It kind of think, oh, what was that, right? I
Speaker 1: mean I kind of like, what's happening here? Yeah? Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I I think so too. And and and the premise
Speaker 1: of each fight is I mean the premise, I mean
Speaker 1: we we also both know we're not going anywhere. That's
Speaker 1: a big one. Too many people go into marriage and
Speaker 1: they think as kind of has an escape clause. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it won't work. You have to believe and know that
Speaker 1: this is and then and I know that, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess for some people, so obviously people sometimes get divorced
Speaker 1: for very very good reasons. We start from the premise
Speaker 1: of it's not going to happen, but one of the
Speaker 1: way when you talk about trust, when Phil was divorced.
Speaker 1: When I met him, we were pretty hot and heavy
Speaker 1: and flying to each other in the middle of the
Speaker 1: night and all this crazy stuff. And at one point
Speaker 1: I said to him, you know a sexual glow. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, what would have happened if we'd met when
Speaker 1: you were married? And he said, well, with all due respect,
Speaker 1: nothing would have taken me from my wife and kids.
Speaker 1: And I thought, I can love this man. I can
Speaker 1: love this man who's not bullshitting me. You know he won't.
Speaker 1: We'll have more after a quick break. We're back to
Speaker 1: our conversation with George Stephanopolos and Ali Wentworth. By this
Speaker 1: point we've covered most of the basics, so Marlowe steered
Speaker 1: the conversation to Ali's favorite subject. All right, Well, the
Speaker 1: fun thing about interviewing you two is that you talk
Speaker 1: so much about sex and nobody does. That's great, thank you, No,
Speaker 1: it is. No, it is great because we're well, it's
Speaker 1: not naughty, especially when you're married. Yeah, well, it's never naughty.
Speaker 1: It's it's rare. Yeah, exactly. So when you've written advice
Speaker 1: books and so what is your advice about sex? My
Speaker 1: advice to married couples about sex, Yeah, have it, Yes,
Speaker 1: have it, and have it on a regular basis, because
Speaker 1: I have found in talking to the great many women
Speaker 1: who I have very honest, open relationships with, if you're
Speaker 1: married and you're not having sex, something's wrong. I have
Speaker 1: my girlfriends like, if George is unavailable to me for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, he's working or he just doesn't want to
Speaker 1: chew on the fact that so and so are getting
Speaker 1: divorced and I need a four hour conversation, I go
Speaker 1: to my girlfriends. But the one thing I have with
Speaker 1: my husband is a physical relationship. And I know way
Speaker 1: too many people who you started hearing, yeah, well we
Speaker 1: never have sex, red flag, and then a few years
Speaker 1: go by and then they get divorced or somebody has
Speaker 1: an affair. And I say to my girlfriends, you know,
Speaker 1: if you have the stomach flu, I get it. But
Speaker 1: otherwise you've got to push it. We're all tired, we
Speaker 1: all have kids and lives and careers, and you have
Speaker 1: to push yourself. Alie always makes fun of me because
Speaker 1: I always I am skeptical whenever she talks about all
Speaker 1: these stories she hears about it married couples not having sex.
Speaker 1: I sort of, I mean, obviously people go through periods,
Speaker 1: but I don't sort of don't understand the point. There
Speaker 1: are a sexless marriages more than you think, George maybe.
Speaker 1: And then do they break up, Yes, they break up.
Speaker 1: They have affairs, right, yeah, more mostly affairs because you know,
Speaker 1: you sort of need a net to right to actually leave.
Speaker 1: But it's it's amazing, and it's amazing how many couples
Speaker 1: tolerate it and for how long they tolerate it for.
Speaker 1: But guys don't talk about it, do they not? Really? Yeah? No,
Speaker 1: I mean like women will say I'm not having or
Speaker 1: I'm having or it's really great or whatever. I mean,
Speaker 1: we we not only say are you having it or
Speaker 1: you're not having it? What kind of problems are you having?
Speaker 1: And right now everybody's in menopause, so everybody's coconut oil,
Speaker 1: coconut oil, coconut oil. I mean people girlfriends help each other,
Speaker 1: you know, or no, But I mean that this is
Speaker 1: the stuff that people want to know about it. One
Speaker 1: of the things marriage is about, obviously, is sex. One
Speaker 1: of the things marriage is about is trust. No, but see,
Speaker 1: I think all of it, it all sends from this
Speaker 1: one place, which is people say to me all the time,
Speaker 1: what is a secret to your marriage? You and George
Speaker 1: are so different. I don't get it. People in the
Speaker 1: back room of our wedding we're making bets on how
Speaker 1: long it was going to last. And I don't know why.
Speaker 1: But you know, eighteen years later, he walks in the
Speaker 1: door from work and I'm just as attracted to him
Speaker 1: as I was the first week we were dating. I
Speaker 1: just I go, look at that sexy man. I'm so sweet.
Speaker 1: All the time, I'm mad at you, and I'm not
Speaker 1: going to let you know that. But no, but when
Speaker 1: Phil goes away or I go away and we're going
Speaker 1: to get back together, I'm excited. I'm fixing up. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think I hope you feel the same. Yes,
Speaker 1: talk back, But I mean I think that it starts
Speaker 1: with that, and then the sex is around that. And
Speaker 1: I think the trust. Trust is a huge thing. Of course,
Speaker 1: because it hasn't in a question is like I said,
Speaker 1: it's just lucky. No. In fact, when people have affairs
Speaker 1: or marriages break down or break up. I'll say to George,
Speaker 1: you would never have an affair, and we both start laughing.
Speaker 1: Like if somebody came to me and said, your husband's
Speaker 1: cheating on you, I would laugh. That would be my
Speaker 1: first reaction. Absolutely not, no way, it's not. It's just
Speaker 1: not in his nature. But but how do you know that?
Speaker 1: That's the thing. I feel the same way about Phil.
Speaker 1: In fact, Phil's producers once said that when a woman
Speaker 1: comes on to Phil, he's not doesn't really realize it.
Speaker 1: That's just who he is. He's not there. George realizes it.
Speaker 1: He just he just shuts it down. He just there's
Speaker 1: no there's nothing back. But I'm an actress though, if
Speaker 1: someone flirts back to me, I go, oh great, But
Speaker 1: what do you do when somebody comes on to you?
Speaker 1: I mean, do you say something or do you nobody's
Speaker 1: that explicit? You have a wedding ring, right, because some
Speaker 1: women don't wear wedding mans, which I think is really
Speaker 1: like that's just yeah, like, look, I maybe I am available,
Speaker 1: you know, but I mean I guess I'm just so
Speaker 1: sometimes it makes them even more wanted when they stand on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: women think it's a chance. I don't think. I don't
Speaker 1: think there's any part of me that invites it. Marlo
Speaker 1: bought a wedding band from me. It's six feet wide.
Speaker 1: It's actually no mistake at all. And if a woman
Speaker 1: gets too close to me, there's a When he was
Speaker 1: on the year, I used to love that, he'd have
Speaker 1: the microphone in his hand, this huge gold thing. Yeah hello, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: did you ever go to it? Never went to marriage counseling? Now, yeah,
Speaker 1: I have nothing against it, but yeah, yeah, we Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've been pretty I mean pretty good at figuring out
Speaker 1: on our own. Actually, it's funny, that's what We've probably
Speaker 1: ended three fights like that though. What put that card
Speaker 1: on the table. Let's go to counseling, and that forces
Speaker 1: us to do it ourselves. I do it, I say it.
Speaker 1: But do you ever use the I'm leaving hardy people
Speaker 1: do that? I know that's a scary car. And if
Speaker 1: you have high abandonment like me, that could that has
Speaker 1: significant repercussion. If you say, well, we're going to get divorced,
Speaker 1: then I'll go have an affair because I think we're
Speaker 1: getting divorced and I have to get my next because
Speaker 1: I have abandonment. And then you say I'm just kidding,
Speaker 1: and I go, oh, I already had an affair. Now
Speaker 1: I am leaving you. It's a messy. See if there's anything,
Speaker 1: oh stress, I mean with us, we used to if
Speaker 1: one of us panicked, the other one would panic. Also
Speaker 1: we had to learn not to go crazy at the
Speaker 1: same time. Oh no, I think we if one of
Speaker 1: us is panicking, the other one doesn't. Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1: If he's panicking, let's say over a job thing, I know,
Speaker 1: just a quiet down at home. Well, Phil does something
Speaker 1: that just kills me. If he has a hurt look
Speaker 1: on his face, I'm just absolutely mother Teresa, I just
Speaker 1: will do anything. I'll go out and pick up lepers.
Speaker 1: I'll do anything I can to get that look not
Speaker 1: to be there. Yeah. And I do that with the
Speaker 1: kids too. If I see, if I see he's going
Speaker 1: through a hard time, I will say to them, put
Speaker 1: all your bitchiness in a box. It'll be nice to dad.
Speaker 1: That's nice to daddy. Make daddy a card, be nice
Speaker 1: to daddy. Exactly what do you think is the biggest
Speaker 1: challenge you've had to face. We've been so lucky. I
Speaker 1: think there are many doors you have to go through,
Speaker 1: and the you know, the first one is how do
Speaker 1: we co exist together? But you never know when you
Speaker 1: marry somebody what kind of parent they're going to be,
Speaker 1: you know, So then you go through that door and
Speaker 1: then then becomes just the life stuff. And we have
Speaker 1: a teenage daughter who's about to have big surgery, and
Speaker 1: so we're going to sort of be a solid couple
Speaker 1: together to help her get through this period. So I
Speaker 1: know our marriage well enough to know exactly what it's
Speaker 1: going to look like. His strengths are to be the
Speaker 1: problem solver to check him with the surgeon, and you know,
Speaker 1: he'll be that guy and I'll be does she have
Speaker 1: a blanket? And I'll do the nurturing stuff, and then
Speaker 1: he'll know when I need a little comfort, and I'll
Speaker 1: know when he's slightly freaked out by seeing his daughter
Speaker 1: in this condition. And we know how to do all that. Now,
Speaker 1: we know the kind of the dance and we know
Speaker 1: the needs, and so you know, God forbid, bigger mountains
Speaker 1: are ahead of us. I know what I can rely
Speaker 1: on him for. I know, and he knows what he
Speaker 1: can for me. That's great. I once took my son
Speaker 1: to baseball practice, and then I went to pick him up.
Speaker 1: He got in the car on the front seat, closed
Speaker 1: the door and he said, I get cut. I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: I mean it was like an arrow in my heart.
Speaker 1: And I started talking, Oh, yeah, I got cut when
Speaker 1: I was you. I don't worry about it. I don't
Speaker 1: know what the hell I said. Now, obviously getting cut
Speaker 1: from a baseball team is not the worst thing it
Speaker 1: can happen. It is at the time, it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had something like that just before you guys came here,
Speaker 1: our daughter. You know, this typical middle school, high school
Speaker 1: stuff about who's having a party, who's got to invite,
Speaker 1: who didn't get invited, And the truth is, when it's
Speaker 1: your daughter, it's like, it is heartbreaking. And then our
Speaker 1: conversation that we do, what do we do? What do
Speaker 1: we say? You know yet? How do you keep your
Speaker 1: distance from it? How do you have to let her
Speaker 1: learn from it? And you have to sort of just
Speaker 1: sit there while she cries? Oh, she cries. And all
Speaker 1: I want to do is go find that girl that's
Speaker 1: already inviting all her friends except her killer. And I
Speaker 1: have to reminder she can't do that, all right. I
Speaker 1: texted him, I said, do I call the mother? And
Speaker 1: he said no, And I trust. I think he's right
Speaker 1: and you know, but that's right. How we do it?
Speaker 1: What would you pass on to, you know, to people
Speaker 1: about to be married. There's a lot of hard stuff
Speaker 1: that happens in life. We have to celebrate the good stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, we have, you get you know, your contract
Speaker 1: gets renewed. Let's celebrate it. We don't have to be
Speaker 1: obnoxious about it. Could just be the four of us,
Speaker 1: but like, let me make a cake and the kids
Speaker 1: will stick some Eminem's on it and say good for you.
Speaker 1: And I mean more than birthdays and stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, special things, and you know, in our anniversary,
Speaker 1: I don't like it to be taken lightly. I don't
Speaker 1: want a diamond necklace or a you know, some expensive painting.
Speaker 1: I want the two of us just to we write,
Speaker 1: you know, letters to each other. But I want us
Speaker 1: to say, like, hey, it's your eighteen, look at us.
Speaker 1: I still love you. You know that those moments are
Speaker 1: not to be sort of tossed aside. I think the
Speaker 1: biggest thing, the thing I would think of, don't be afraid.
Speaker 1: I mean, let it disrupt your life. By definition, that's
Speaker 1: what you're doing, and it's that's going to happen all
Speaker 1: the time. Be open to the changes that being married
Speaker 1: or to bring you every single day gets. You're right.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know sure this is all guys,
Speaker 1: but I tend to be more creature of habit, and
Speaker 1: he gets set in your ways and you have to
Speaker 1: let kind of a lot of things just happen every day.
Speaker 1: Let the chaos in. If you're about to get married,
Speaker 1: if you have any pangs of hesitation, listen to them.
Speaker 1: I have two friends who were about to get married
Speaker 1: and had that feeling of dread. One of them cried
Speaker 1: hysterically all the way to the church, and I was
Speaker 1: in the car with her, and it wasn't crying like
Speaker 1: I'm getting married. It was it was as if she
Speaker 1: was going to be hunk in the village square, just
Speaker 1: hysterically crying. And I kept saying to her, you know,
Speaker 1: we can turn the car around. I agree with you.
Speaker 1: If you if you have if there's anything holding you back,
Speaker 1: listen to it. And then the flip side of that
Speaker 1: is remember how you feel this day every single day.
Speaker 1: Try to at some point remember that, because there are
Speaker 1: going to be a lot of times when you remember
Speaker 1: how you feel on the wedding day. Yeah, remember remember
Speaker 1: how you feel this day, why you're doing it today,
Speaker 1: who you're doing it with, what you love about that?
Speaker 1: Did your friends? Mary? No? And in fact, three kids later,
Speaker 1: she says I never should have married him. Oh God,
Speaker 1: I said I could have told you that in the
Speaker 1: car ride over there. Do you think that you've changed
Speaker 1: a great deal since you're getting married. I think I've
Speaker 1: a much richer, fuller person for marrying him. Oh, I
Speaker 1: think you've definitely changed. I mean, it's hard to know
Speaker 1: exactly how, because it just happens every single day. I'm
Speaker 1: definitely better preparing him. Yeah, I got an anchor. He
Speaker 1: doesn't question himself a lot. He's he's solid, has more
Speaker 1: integrity than anybody I've ever met. And for me, that's
Speaker 1: incredibly grounding. She brings all of life into the house, everything,
Speaker 1: a whole world of beautiful stuff and friends and family,
Speaker 1: and it's like it's opening up in Tira Vista for you.
Speaker 1: For me, that's the very sexy George Stephanopolis and Ali Wentworth.
Speaker 1: They are such an entertaining couple they should charge people
Speaker 1: just to talk with them. Well, I'm glad we got
Speaker 1: in for free. Until next time. I'm Phil Donahue and
Speaker 1: I'm Marlo Thomas. Thank you, Thank you, guys. You guys
Speaker 1: are great. Double Day is a production of Pushkin Industries.
Speaker 1: The show was created by US and produced by Sarah Lilly.
Speaker 1: Michael Bahari is associate producer. Musical adaptations of It Had
Speaker 1: to Be You by Cellwagon, sim Finette, Marlo and I
Speaker 1: are executive producers, along with Mia Lobell and Letal Molad
Speaker 1: from Pushkin. Special thanks to Jacob Wiseberg, Malcolm Gladwell, Heather Faine,
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