1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Chelsea Handler. Welcome to Life Will Be the 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: Death of Me? A production of I Heart Radio. Good Morning, Brandon, 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Good morning. What day is it? And well today, it's 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: going to be Thursday when people hear this, or it 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: might be the day after or the day after that. 6 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: Well a little inside knowledge. We record this on Monday. Okay, okay, 7 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: today's Monday. How is your weekend? I saw you over 8 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: the weekend. Actually I saw you a lot over the weekend. 9 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: You were at my house a lot Saturday and Sunday. 10 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: I was nice. That was nice. Thank you came up. 11 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: And I had a little pool party on Saturday for 12 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: some friends and their kids, because every once in a 13 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:34,919 Speaker 1: while I like to have kids at my house just 14 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: to remind myself that they shouldn't be there. And then 15 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: you came and cleaned up Sunday morning, and that was 16 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: really nice of you. And I don't know if you noticed, 17 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: but I cleaned up the dog shit on Sunday morning. 18 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: Actually got pretty good condition when I got there. I 19 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: only went because you had a guest day, so I 20 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that everything was the up and up, 21 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: that we made a good impression. There were no drugs 22 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: out or anything like that. And there were after kids 23 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: being there. I thought for sure there would be yeah, 24 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: and there were not. They were not everybody of themselves 25 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: that day at the pool, it was like unlike any 26 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 1: other day. Joining us today in studio are Dan Morio 27 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: and Jenny Molin, my two friends, my two very dear 28 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: friends who came with me to Peru to do ayahuasca 29 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 1: from my Netflix special Chelsea Does Drugs a few years ago. 30 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: So we are reuniting in studio to discuss the effects, 31 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: the experience and the after effects. So for those of 32 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: you who are not familiar with ayahuasca, it is a 33 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: plant that is grown in Peru that is used as 34 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: a hallucinogenic. I wouldn't would you describe it as a psychedelic. 35 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: It is a psychedelic, I believe Dan, I don't know. Okay. Anyway, 36 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 1: that's the information we have on ayahuasca. Brandon, you were 37 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: not in my life at this point. No, this is 38 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: right before me. Right. But now that I've done ayahuasca, 39 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: you probably because when you met me, you didn't drink 40 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: or smoke weed. Correct, And now look at you, lean 41 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: and hard, right, and how do you feel about your 42 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: life since you started imbibing, and you know, I feel good. 43 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: I think that everyone should experience something like you. You 44 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: actually say in the documentary that you want to know 45 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: what everything feels like, like there's nothing you don't want 46 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: to try. And I've tried to take more of that on, 47 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: even in little things like something that I would have 48 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: said no to trying food related before, Like we went 49 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: and had oysters, which never interested me, and you're like, 50 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: you just have to do it. What's the worst that's 51 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: gonna happen. That's kind of what I've taken on. Well, 52 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: that's good. And also I think that you have a 53 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 1: lot of people have are under the assumption that if 54 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: you are partaking in alcohol or you know, cannabis used, especially, 55 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: there's a stereotype that you can't get ship done or 56 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: that you're lazy, and that is not true. Either. You 57 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: can get things done. I am I'm inherently lazy anyway, 58 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: but I still get things done on cannabis. You're the 59 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: highest functioning cannabis user I've ever encountered to that. One second, 60 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: let me have a drink of this tea. Well, thank you, Brendon, 61 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: and I'm glad that you started imbibing because you were 62 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: wound very tight, and I would say that you've loosened 63 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: up a lot. I think it's really helped, except for 64 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 1: the other day. I did take a two point five 65 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: millionary am mint at the house when I was feeling 66 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: a little anxious. And then what were you feeling anxious about? 67 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just early morning. I got there 68 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: and I just knew I felt wound high, and I 69 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: was like, you know what, just take this, it's two 70 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: point five it's just going to take the edge off. 71 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: And then I came home three hours later and he 72 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: had his shoes off, feed up on the table, had 73 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: a bunch of books and snacks around him. Well, not books, 74 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: snacks and paperwork, I guess. I was still trying to work, yeah, 75 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: but lounging. And so I didn't want to disturb him. 76 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: So I went up to my room and hid there 77 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 1: until he was done relaxing. But I had to admittantly 78 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: tell you what had happened. Yes, you did tell me 79 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: that you were high, and I said, good for you, 80 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: Good for you. What a workplace? Okay, So hi guys, 81 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: how are you Hi? Hi? Jenny from New York and 82 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: Danny from Jenny from the block and Danny from the Valley. Hi, 83 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: Hi guys, it's nice to reunite. The three of us 84 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: haven't actually been together since we did the Iowa or no, 85 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: we did an episode of the Netflix show right after 86 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: post ayahuasca. Maybe no, don't think that did. We did 87 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: it okay, and we just parted ways and decided that 88 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: we were never going to speak again. And then three 89 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: of us were never going to be in the same place. 90 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: And actually Jenny, actually Jenny has putting me up in 91 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: her apartment and not even bother to hang out with 92 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: me while that was happening. Was she in the city. 93 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: I went to the city and she's like, stay at 94 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 1: my apartment, and then I stayed at her house in Spain. Yeah, 95 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: she stayed at my house in Spain, where I also 96 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: didn't see her. I think that's how she rolls. I 97 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: think she just wants to pass like ships in the night, 98 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: so make you think you're still in a friendship but 99 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: never actually seeing each other, which is what's happening right 100 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: now because you're you're in New York and we're in 101 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: l A. She's doing it again. So we're talking about 102 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: ayahuasca today, and I think it's a good time to 103 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: check in. How many years has it been since our 104 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: experience together? Has it been? I think it's been longer 105 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: than more, because I been four years. Okay, so it's 106 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: been four years and none of us have done it since, 107 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: and you guys, I think we all it had an 108 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: impact on all three of us. Let's talk about how 109 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 1: long each person's trip was, because line, the first night 110 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: was kind of interrupted by by you guys, which I 111 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: was happy to have it interrupted. But you guys, would 112 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: you say it was like an hour? Two hours? I 113 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: feel like when I settled in it took about fifteen 114 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: minutes for it to begin, and that the trip itself 115 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 1: was a few minutes only, No, it wasn't a few minutes. Like, well, 116 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: you're laying there for much longer than that. I think 117 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: you mean lying. I think you mean lying there. Oh, 118 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: please lying there for Maybe you're probably lying there for 119 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: thirty minutes or laying there And yeah, I think there 120 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: was only the story that I told less than five minutes. 121 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting, I don't. I feel like it lasted 122 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: a lifetime, and yet in real time it was probably 123 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: I would say an hour and a half two hours. 124 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: Now does start to finish? Is that you're drinking the 125 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: cup of whatever you drank. So yeah, I feel like 126 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 1: you drinking. You're instantly in it. I mean maybe five 127 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: minutes tops. Yeah, and Dan went down before any of us. 128 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: You guys, Dan, it was like two minutes. And and 129 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: he's so thin that his body just like it took 130 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: over it almost. Yeah, it almost discombobulated right there in 131 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: front of us. That's what I was scared. That's appropriate. 132 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: That word. It makes no sense in that content. Discombbulated. Yes, sorry, sorry, 133 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: you're right, I stand corrected. At least I'm not laying 134 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: bricks over there while I'm lying down. So as soon 135 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: as the trip has done, you feel normal again, completely normal. 136 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: I mean you feel enlightened, but you feel completely sober 137 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: and you also the great thing is you remember everything, 138 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 1: and we still remember everything that's in years, like you 139 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: remember the scenes. And it's not like a drug where 140 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: sometimes it's blurry or alcohol, which can you know, make 141 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: you not remember this. You remember everything, which is an advantage, 142 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: and that's why I think it can be so therapeutic 143 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: because you are remembering everything and there's no come down. No, 144 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: you're zero come down. It's not like that. So it 145 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: almost felt like you're like, I have never been hypnotized. 146 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: But you know when you see people and you know 147 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: the whoever it is, the magician or the therapists snapped 148 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: their fingers and the person is fine. That's what it 149 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: felt like. When he said the trip's over, I looked. 150 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: I turned to Chelsea was like, I guess it's over. 151 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: It wasn't. It didn't take anything. It's a really weird 152 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: feature of that drug that you're if mushrooms is like 153 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: augmented reality, ayahuasca is like virtual reality and you're in 154 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: total control. It's like you're immersed in something it is. 155 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: That's so true. Yeah, and there's nothing physiological other than 156 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: being sick to your stomach in a forest. There's nothing 157 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: like physiologically going on. You can just after you've laid 158 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: down and you're meditating. Your focus is a big part 159 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: of it. I think you mean after you lay down, 160 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: because you're not a chicken, are you? Do you lay eggs? 161 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: Why don't you tell us a little bit about your 162 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: experience then and how you look at it now. So 163 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: when you asked me to do it, I was in 164 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: the middle of finishing my book that was sort of 165 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: about my journey through motherhood, and I felt like, oh 166 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: my god, this is a perfect opportunity to chase the story, 167 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: to go on this adventure, to try something that is 168 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: a little maybe outside of the box. But I don't know. 169 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: I had spoken to my therapist and she's like, I 170 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: think it would be good for you. You're struggling with 171 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 1: figuring out who you are as a mother and your 172 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: new identity, and maybe ayahuasca is actually a good idea. 173 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: So when when I ran that past Jason, at first 174 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,719 Speaker 1: he flipped out, but then eventually, like all of my 175 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: you know, crazy hair brained ideas, I got him on board. 176 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: And yeah, it was scary. That night was terrifying because 177 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: of our surroundings were scary also, like we were in 178 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: the woods in a lodge, and lodge is a generous 179 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: term for where we stayed. It was more like a 180 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: hut that served food, and we were and it was 181 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: really dark, and you know that there are lots of 182 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: critters and snakes in Peru on the Amazon. We were 183 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: right off of the Amazon Um, so it was a scary. 184 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: And then we had to walk up to that tented 185 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: therapy room or journey room or whatever the hell they 186 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: called it. What did they call that? I don't remember, 187 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: doesn't I don't know. It was some sort of like your, yeah, your, 188 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: it was a your with toilets, but you know toilets. 189 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you guys found the toilets. I didn't, luckily 190 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: never had to go there. Oh yeah, I spent quite 191 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: a lot of time in the toilet. And what was 192 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: your overwhelming feeling? How would you describe it? Well? I 193 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: remember when he was passing around the cup, and at 194 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: first I was like, oh, dude, you're giving me way 195 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: too much. I mean, like this is too I think 196 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: I'm going to have two intense of a trip if 197 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: I drink this whole cup. But you know, he was 198 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: the shaman, was somebody that we couldn't really communicate with, 199 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: so I guess I just sort of went with it, 200 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: and luckily Dan ended up kind of going into like 201 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: a deeper, more like gnarly kind of dark place than 202 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: I did. At first, it was like that feeling of 203 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: like you're on ecstasy mixed with like maybe you're a 204 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: little buzzed, so you feel very dizzy. And then all 205 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: of a sudden, I found myself in my childhood home 206 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: of the house that I I didn't even know I remembered. 207 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 1: I mean, this was like lifetimes ago, it feels like. 208 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: And I started sort of having these experiences that I 209 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: guess I had lived before, but just in a different way. 210 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: And it almost felt like I was on like a 211 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: Spotify account where I could just like click to change 212 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: the image or click, you know, click through songs, so 213 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: I could like change the image. So if I didn't 214 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: love whatever I was feeling, I felt in control enough 215 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: to be able to kind of like flip over to 216 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: a different vision. And then I saw Sid and at 217 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: the time, so it wasn't speaking, so Sid was probably 218 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: not a year old or or had just turned a year, 219 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 1: but in my vision, he was speaking to me and 220 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: I and I sort of got this piece that I 221 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: needed where he looked at me and he's like, you're 222 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: already enough, Like you don't have to prove to me 223 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: that you are good enough to be my mom. You 224 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: already are just by being my mom. You are enough 225 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: for me. And that is what like just sent me 226 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: into hysterics. Yeah, and that would I couldn't handle it, 227 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: I thought. And my dog recently died, so you know, 228 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: I going into what I was expecting. Oh my God, 229 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have this like huge traumatic encounter with you know, 230 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: the ghost of my dog or you know. But it 231 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: was nothing about my dog. It was all about my childhood. 232 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: And it really came full circle with with seeing my son. 233 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: I wonder if I did it now, if Bert would 234 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,959 Speaker 1: come to me in a vision and say, I feel 235 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, I probably would. But then Jason 236 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: came into it, right, Jason wasn't as big of a part. No, 237 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: but I did love In your book when you're like, 238 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: I think Jenny was terrified because she realized how much 239 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: she loved her husband. Well you did, because remember you 240 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: came out of it. You're like, I have to call Jason. 241 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: Have to call Jason. I'm like, are you going to 242 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: tell him everything? You felt? Like? Definitely not No, definitely, 243 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: no way, he can never know. It would give him 244 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: too much of an upper hand in our marriage. Yeah. No, no, 245 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: of course, don't tell him and he doesn't need to know. Yes, exactly. 246 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: And then no, I mean it was it was super 247 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: I opening, and I felt like I was a different 248 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: person afterwards. I mean, I know that sounds ridiculous, but 249 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: I did feel as though I had had ten years 250 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: of therapy or had just like upped my zul off 251 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: to like three d milligrams. I mean I was in 252 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: a very good place, and I would say that lasted 253 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: for maybe like a good year year and a half, 254 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 1: and then happened and then I just send it into 255 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: darkness again. Really no, but but yeah, like I think 256 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: that it's a crazy therapeutic experience, and unfortunately, as human beings, 257 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: I think it's just hard to hold onto any anything. 258 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: So I, you know, maybe I just need to do 259 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: it again, is what I'm saying. We've talked about doing 260 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: it again. Are you looking into it? Seriously? I would 261 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: totally do it again. I just need to make sure 262 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: that with my thyroid it's okay. Now I have a 263 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: hyper thyroid, so I have to And what about your 264 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: antidepressants because a lot of people say you're not supposed 265 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: to do it if because you didn't you go off 266 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: your you didn't do it. Was off meds for yeah, 267 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: for like seven years I was off meds and then 268 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 1: I recently got back on. But I would if we 269 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: decided to do this, I would get off. I mean, 270 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: I'm on a such a low dose that it's not 271 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: like a major deal. I've only been on it for 272 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: like a month, so we could also get a bunch 273 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: of people do it and do it right here in California, 274 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: you know, right, and like you can do that, right, 275 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, because yeah, And I have a ton 276 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: of friends that are always interested in doing it, and 277 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: I'm interested in doing it now that I've had therapy 278 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: and my head's in a different place, Like I now 279 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: would like to see what I would get out of it, 280 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: because I bet I could go a lot deeper than 281 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,599 Speaker 1: I was able to them. Well, it was a compromised atmosphere. 282 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: I mean the light wasn't there was too much light, 283 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: and there was a camera crew right when there was 284 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: too much light from the camera crew, right right, Okay, 285 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: I'm just connects, just connecting a little dots. Yeah. I 286 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: would be interested in doing it again without it being documented. 287 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I would be interested in doing it 288 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: again without it being documented, and also in documenting it again. 289 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: I like to do this. Yeah, me too, I feel safer. 290 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: I do too. I do too, Brandon, would you want 291 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: to be chaperone to doing it? From hearing Jenny's after 292 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: watching it, No, nothing about it interests me. Okay, Dan, 293 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: let's you see it really partly because I just Dan 294 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: laying on his map. I just have such this like 295 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: image that is resonating of him being so dizzy and 296 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: feeling sick and I hate throwing up more than anything. 297 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: And him saying I would not wish this on my 298 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: worst enemy is not exactly you know, the accolade I'm 299 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: looking for when trying a drug, like that's not a 300 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: seal of approval for me. And diarrhea like crazy didn't dihea, 301 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: It's been a fun right the diarrhea, well, I you know, listen, 302 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: I went into that ceremony thinking I'm going to sweat, 303 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: probably ship my pants and vomit and probably be thin. 304 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: And I remember gaining six or seven pounds on that trip. 305 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: Only I can go somewhere where to a sweat lodge, 306 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: have diarrhea, vomit, and put on weight. Okay for the record, Chelsea, 307 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: at first she walked into this journey, She's like, I'm 308 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: not drinking, I'm eating clean, I'm not like all of 309 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: the basically the this list that she brought up, things 310 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: that she had to adhere or two before doing the drug. 311 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: After it didn't work. The first time she goes in, 312 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: she's like eating Oreos. She's like, fuck it, We're okay, 313 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: give me a vodka. All right, I'm gonna do it again. 314 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: So at that point, yeah, I think I had to 315 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: gay did the effects of it by drinking the first 316 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: night because I was like, oh, this doesn't work, I'll 317 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: just have something. I guess I'm gonna have to get 318 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: a buzz a different way. Dan, Let's talk about your experiencing, 319 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: your initial reaction. What you remember feeling and immediately same 320 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: thing that Jenny mentioned with there's a sense of agency 321 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: that's bizarre. I had the same thing childhood home. It 322 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: was like I was like floating through space and then 323 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: spat out into my childhood home backyard, and I remember, 324 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: you're aware of everything as you go. Like Jenny was saying, 325 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: spotify my list, you have this rich detail. I remember 326 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: thinking I could go and oh that's what the back 327 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: door of my childhood home was like. I haven't thought 328 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: about this in years. And I walked into my child 329 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: at home and I was like, oh, there's the trees 330 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: to play in avalon um walked into my kitchen. Haven't 331 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: thought of this and forever rich detail I'm gonna go to. 332 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: I made a decision to go to my childhood bedroom, 333 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: walked down the hallway, I saw all my old toys, shelves, everything, 334 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: went over, made a decision to go look at where 335 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: my old toys were. And then when I turned around, 336 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: it was me as a child sitting on the bed. 337 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: That was like the price of Admission moment where because 338 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: there was this thing of like, oh, this is all 339 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 1: too good to be true. I think I said it. 340 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: I think it made the cut where I was like, 341 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: what this drug promises, something revelatory, something that will change 342 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 1: you a little bit. I said, it seems too good 343 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: to be true. And then in my trip or whatever 344 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: you wanna call it, when I turned around and saw 345 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: myself sitting on the bed as a child, I was like, Oh, 346 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: that's that's something else. That's this has to be deep, 347 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: even if I can't unpack it in the moment. And 348 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 1: then there was like a time at it and I 349 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: was holding myself, which is amazing, and I was like, oh, 350 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: that's definitely loaded. I had this phrase come to my head. 351 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: You are your own father, you have to be a 352 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: good father. It was something like that, which is a 353 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: real kind of like that was the deep sort of 354 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 1: takeaway from the thing. It was sort of a slow burn, 355 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: heavy kind of visual and phrase that and were you 356 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: able to change channels like Jenny talked about, Yeah, there 357 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: was that that sense of I would say, that's one 358 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: of the defining characteristics of that drug, is you it's 359 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: meditative because you're supposed to follow the shaman's singing or 360 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: whatever he's chanting. It was hard to follow that though, 361 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: because he was also defecating well while he was chanting, 362 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: and he was sitting into our hair and like beating 363 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: us over the head with like leaves. I liked that part. 364 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: I have to say, I do like getting hit with leaves. 365 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 1: Ostensibly he's he's the leader, but like I didn't respect 366 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: him anybody anybody who like smoking. Smoking is a bad idea, 367 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: and like I can't like, if you're going to smoke, 368 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: you're gonna smoke in a rainforest. That seems like a 369 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: ridiculous idea. Okay, we're gonna take a quick break and 370 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: we'll be right back. As a spectator, having rewatched this 371 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 1: last night, I did not get anything from what you 372 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 1: just said. Dan, like your experience. It seemed horrible because 373 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: you're saying when you're sitting there, you just say, like 374 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: I'm having like deep dark thoughts, like you seeing yourself 375 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: as a child. That seems nice, that seems like maybe 376 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: I do want to try this drug. But what we 377 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: saw on the edit was not that at all. It 378 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: was like, absolutely, under no circumstance would your experience make 379 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 1: someone want to try it? Right? So, did I think 380 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: a turn at a certain Well no, I think I mean, 381 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: as far as the narrative goes, it had to focus 382 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: on Chelsea. So I think I talked about my trip 383 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: on camera, but they probably just couldn't fit it in. 384 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: She had to be the focus, like it was probably 385 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 1: just funny to like put in you sound resentful. Well, 386 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: I finally I could get this story out. The people 387 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: want to know that, we want to know. I can't 388 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: wait to be able to refer people to this to 389 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: get the real as. A follow up documentary coming out 390 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: is offshoot documentary called Dan Does Drugs. Well now that 391 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 1: it's been a few years, because I think Chelsea said before, well, 392 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: you just said now that you would try it again. 393 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 1: But I think before you said that you're not really interested. 394 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: I wasn't because I don't like the vomiting or the 395 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: shifting aspect. And luckily I didn't have to go to 396 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,719 Speaker 1: the bathroom, and I didn't should be but I did vomit. 397 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: But it was in and out, like you guys were 398 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,239 Speaker 1: in the bathroom, in and out. I don't know if 399 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: you were vomiting. I'll tell you what happened when I 400 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: went to the bathroom. Okay, well, let's start with I 401 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: think I was the first to get up and go 402 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: and overwhelmingly sick to my stomach. I didn't want to 403 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 1: throw up on camera. Went over to this stall in 404 00:20:55,280 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 1: this hut, and every single inch of the surface us 405 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: of this bathroom, toilet, walls, everything was covered with with bugs. 406 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 1: It was yes, it was so and I thought about 407 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 1: like I was like beetles everywhere. I thought about my home. 408 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: I thought about my home and like you know, we 409 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: were I was just thinking about you. I was like, 410 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 1: I hate you so like why do I Like? There 411 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: was a lot of heavy anger directed towards me. I 412 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: could feel it. I was like, oh, I better get 413 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: out of the way. He's looking straight at me with 414 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 1: like the devil in his eyes because he was looking 415 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: at me, and I was a reflection of the devil 416 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: to you at that point. And then it passed. It did, 417 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: I didn't throw up. I went and laid back down 418 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: and and then that's when my trip started, was when 419 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:51,199 Speaker 1: this wave of sickness passed, I could lay down and 420 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 1: start focusing. And that's when I was like I was 421 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: floating through space in this trippy kind of way. Yeah, 422 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: I think that you know it's different way you do 423 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: it right away because it has to sink in. I 424 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: like the perspective. I like having so many years to 425 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 1: reflect upon it because it's changed over time. And I 426 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: definitely have to say to what you said, Jenny, that 427 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: you thought your behavior changed for about a year, like 428 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 1: it changed my relationship with my sister Shanna forever, because 429 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: after that, I just like I had a completely different 430 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: attitude towards her, and and I haven't, I mean even 431 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 1: now to this day. I mean, we just were in 432 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: Martha's vineyard a couple of weeks ago and she was 433 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: texting me like she can do, like asking me kind 434 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: of the same question over and over and or we 435 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: were on the phone or something and I just went, Shanna, 436 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: you seriously just stopped. You're annoying me. And she's like, oh, sorry, okay, 437 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 1: and then we hung up, and then I called her back. 438 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm sorry, you're not annoying me. You can 439 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: keep asking me the question, like I have a thing 440 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: in my head now to always make sure she feels okay. 441 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: And because people who haven't seen the documentary, your visions 442 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: were tied closely to san Yeah, my visions were tied closely. 443 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: I mean I've spoken ad nauseum about my own ayahuasca experience, 444 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: So if you're listening to this podcast and you don't 445 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: know about it, it was about my sister and treating 446 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: her fairly well. The first night with you guys, I 447 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: didn't really get the experience because I guess I was 448 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: distracted by both of you and your what was happening 449 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: to you, And I felt obviously responsible, look pretty guilty. 450 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: I felt pretty bad about what was going down. So 451 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: I kind of I felt a couple of tingles starting 452 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: to happen in my feet when we were in that 453 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: big yard in the first night, and I was like, Okay, 454 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: it's happening, It's happening, And then you guys started moaning 455 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: and crying and bellowing, and I was like, holy shit, 456 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: I gotta get involved here. So that night wasn't the 457 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: night for me, but the next night, when I did 458 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: it alone with my boyfriend, the shaman who spends his 459 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: night shipping his pants in his cavalrici or true religion, 460 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: True Religion, they were jeans. The next night was exactly that. 461 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: It was the ability to see yourself as a child 462 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: outside of yourself. You're watching yourself as a kid, but 463 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: you're not, You're not the kid. You're just watching. And 464 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: it was all scenes that were true, that had happened 465 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: and played out like this kind of Phantasmagoria is the 466 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: word I'd like to use, because I think it best 467 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: describes it as just like a shuffling of scenes in 468 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: front of you. And and it was my sister and 469 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: I just laughter, like you know, it was just laughter 470 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: on the water and I could hear us. You know, 471 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: we would tip each other over in kayaks and we 472 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: would end up. I would always pee in my pants 473 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: when I was a little girl, and she would always laugh. 474 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: You know, my brothers and sisters would always egg me 475 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 1: on to do that. And it was just us running 476 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: down the beach holding hands and me pulling her, and 477 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 1: it was just a reminder like, oh, she and I 478 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: are sisters. We've been together longer than anyone else in 479 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: my life, and we held hands our entire childhood without 480 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,719 Speaker 1: even thinking, and why am I sitting in such judgment 481 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,719 Speaker 1: of her? Because she wants to live in New Jersey 482 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: and she's perfectly content raising kids and being a housewife. 483 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: Like I didn't get that and she and that was 484 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: like there was a voice saying, she is her you 485 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: or you, you're the one who wants the attention. She 486 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 1: doesn't want the attention. There's no reason to judge her. 487 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: And that was like, oh. And then the other thing 488 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 1: that happened right at the end, because I remember feeling 489 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 1: that and it was overwhelming and I had tears streaming 490 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: down my face because I was like, just felt so 491 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: much love for her, Like I was like, oh, be kind, 492 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: be gentle. She's not like you, and that's a good thing. 493 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: That's not a bad thing. You know, she's a different 494 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: person and you have to respect that. And then I 495 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,479 Speaker 1: was overcome with you have too many people around you 496 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 1: all the time. It's okay to be alone. It's okay 497 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: to spend time alone. And I remember thinking, oh, fuck, 498 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to deal with that, Like I don't 499 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,479 Speaker 1: want to have to start to, you know, take a 500 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: real look at myself, which was probably the over you know, 501 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: bearing or overall message, the deeper message there, But at 502 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: that moment, I was like, no, I just got the 503 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: sister message. I'm going to focus on that. I don't 504 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: want to deal with spending more time alone or getting 505 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: rid of some people in my life or what ever 506 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: that meant for me at that time. And I remember thinking, really, 507 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: all I wanted to do was go downstairs and have 508 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: a drink with the crew and tell them just what happened, 509 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: which is exactly the opposite of the voice in my 510 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: head telling me to sit there and be alone and 511 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: be okay with being alone and without all the activity. 512 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,239 Speaker 1: So now I think after the last two years of 513 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 1: all of this, the book and the therapy and all 514 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: of the stuff that I've learned from my psychiatrist, and 515 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: I think my brain is so much healthier, and I'm 516 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 1: I'm really curious now to see what would happen, and 517 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: I would definitely do it again. So how would you 518 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: guys go into it differently? Because there's also seen in 519 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: the documentary where you're all on the porch and you're 520 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: all scared, Like Chelsea says, no, I'm not scared, but 521 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: Jenny and Dan you were like speaking admittedly about that 522 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: you were nervous to go into it, and the shaman 523 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: at one point said, you can't go into this with fear. 524 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: And Chelsea you talk a lot about now, like setting 525 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: intentions for everything, like your day before, you meditate, whatever 526 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 1: you do. So now, having done the Ayahwaska, knowing kind 527 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: of the pain and yes that you're going to go through, 528 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: you kind of alleviated that one aspect of it. What 529 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: would your intention or thought be now going into it? Well, 530 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: I mean that's a good question to ask you to Jenny. 531 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 1: Did you feel like you prepared yourself in the right 532 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: way for it? Well, I just remember there were a 533 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: lot of like dietary adjustments, and I just I have 534 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: starvation anxiety. So I feel like I couldn't do it. 535 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 1: I mean, I know that you guys, you guys are 536 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 1: almost fasted that entire day, and maybe that is why 537 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 1: I was like shooting my brains out for most of 538 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 1: my trip, But I don't know that I could adhere 539 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: to There were just so many rigid rules. It was 540 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: like don't have sex, don't eat tomatoes. Don't you know 541 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: they're just like crazy? Yeah, because I guess it lessens 542 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: the impact, But I mean I would say that it 543 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 1: didn't lessen the impact for you actually know, how would 544 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: we know? I mean, how would we know what impact 545 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: it could? I mean I could have been Dan. I 546 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: mean maybe it was a good thing I had something, Yeah, exactly. 547 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: I mean they said you shouldn't drink for like three 548 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: weeks leading up to it. I think I didn't drink. 549 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: I didn't drink the night before like that, right, and 550 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 1: you weren't allowed to have certain foods because it doesn't 551 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: work as well. But Dan, when you look back at it, 552 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: do you think about it as a positive, Because then 553 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: Dan came out of it and said, Hey, I need 554 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: to get back to my family. My wife is pregnant. 555 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: What the funk am I doing here? So I think 556 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: you were really mad at yourself, and you were taking 557 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: out your anger on me because I had given you 558 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: the opportunity and you took it. Would you do it 559 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: differently now? I don't have regrets about going. I it 560 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 1: seemed like a truly adventurous thing to do, to go 561 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: to and Dan, your wife was like, if I weren't pregnant, 562 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: I'd be fucking all over this. So you have to go, Dan, 563 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: so you can't be too mad. Yeah, No, we both went. 564 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: I have no regrets about I would do it again. 565 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: I mean there was precedent, like we had. This was 566 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: Brooke was pregnant with our third kids, so none of 567 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: them had come early before. So I think I'd be 568 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: more meditative going in this time. I think I would 569 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: be just a lot more chill, and it would be 570 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: way less anxiety around the whole thing. I mean, that's 571 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: a good question where we all are now versus where 572 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: we were four years ago. I mean, I know, I 573 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: mean like Brook being like seven or eight months pregnant 574 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: and Jenny's kid being so small. Said right, it was Sid, Yeah, 575 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: said being Sid being so small that was an ideal 576 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: that was that was kind of shitty. So I think 577 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: we'd be a little more clearheaded, a little more of 578 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: a blank slate going in. Yeah, this time, I feel 579 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: like I was in a bit of like a postpartum 580 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: panic where I was like, I just need to do 581 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: something to like, you know, figure out like my place 582 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: in all of this, And I was really looking for 583 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: answers that now, at least in that department, I feel 584 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: that I have now. I think i'd be more freaked 585 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: out because I think with turning forty, I started to 586 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: now my new thing that I'm obsessed about and freaking 587 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: out about is dying. So I think I would have 588 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: different I would actually probably just have different fears. I 589 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: would kind of go into it a bit more like, 590 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: Oh God, is this going to fuck something up in 591 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: my body? Am I should? Should I really be doing this? 592 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: In that you have fears about you have like fears 593 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: about not not not special sense not in like I 594 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: was never a hypochondriac, but now I think with turning forty, 595 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: and also there's been some stuff that's happened in my 596 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: family with my dad and my brother and all this 597 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: ship that all of a sudden, I just I don't 598 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: feel so impervious. I just feel vulnerable. You know. My 599 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: therapist always says to me, She's like, Jenny, You've always 600 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: had fear before. It was like that your house was haunted, 601 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: that you were going to get kidnapped or molested, or 602 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: that you know, all of these things throughout the course 603 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: of my life. But now she says, your fears are 604 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: very age appropriate your forty and of course now you're 605 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: like my hands swollen. I need an m R. I why, 606 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: you know, why is this how anyway? So I think 607 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: that going into it, I can't. If I'm being completely honest, 608 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: I don't know that I wouldn't have fear. I just 609 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: think it would be different fears. Also, I think back 610 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: to Brandon's question, what would you're setting an attention? I 611 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: don't know that any of us did that for Ahuaska 612 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: set an intention. I kind of just went in wildly 613 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: and said, all right, let's see what happens. And and 614 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: now I did that drug that frog toad venom called 615 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,959 Speaker 1: five D M e O T, which is like a 616 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: near death experience, which I didn't know that going in. 617 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: I was like, great. I wish somebody would have told 618 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: me that before because it was miserable. But that's another 619 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: thing where you like, it's so important to set an intention, 620 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: Like what even when you're like kind of casually having 621 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: fun with mushrooms or whatever, cannabis not really you don't 622 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: have to set an intention to take an edible, but 623 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: but you should start trying that that. I know every 624 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 1: believe me, I'd be setting attentions all day long. But 625 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,239 Speaker 1: I think it is important to know that to go 626 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: in and say, okay, you know, I want to be present. 627 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: I want to have a great experience. I want to 628 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: learn about you know, if you have a question about 629 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: your career or your love life, or your family or 630 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: something like that. I think it's so it's a good 631 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: reminder to always just be remembered, because it's like every 632 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: morning I get up now and I meditate in bed 633 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: before I do anything, and I'm just like, okay, today, 634 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: no matter what happens, I'm going to stay in this mood. 635 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't matter what happens, it's not important. 636 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: Just be present and be in a calm mood and 637 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: nonreactive mood. That for me is like the most important 638 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: thing to be nonreactive, because that's you know, I'm born 639 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: as a reactor. I've never set intentions before. That's foreign 640 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: to me. When you set an attention, doesn't that sort 641 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: of like narrow your focus. Well, it's just an overall intention, 642 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: Like there could be a narrow intention, or there could 643 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 1: be an overall intention like you know, for me, like 644 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: the my whole therapy experience was to calm down, to 645 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: not be running around and be on my phone NonStop 646 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: and not be present, not looking at people when I'm 647 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: talking to them, having five conversations at once, you know, 648 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: for so many years on the show, that's how I 649 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: managed things. I was just eight, five things were coming 650 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: in my you know, and I would just do them 651 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: all really kind of half ass instead of intending to 652 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: have everything be my main focus. So it's not setting 653 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: an attention in like, you know, it's more like today, 654 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: don't be a cunt is my intention? Don't be a 655 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: fucking cunt? Yeah, I think you know it's overall? Will 656 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: you all all have very different personalities between you Dan 657 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: and Jenny. Yeah, exactly, very yeah, if they're I mean 658 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: different temperaments. So, Jenny, what number are you on the angiogram? 659 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: Did we just say? God, I'm a three, I'm like 660 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: a fucking tried in true three three? And what are 661 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: you do? You know what you are in the aniogram? 662 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: All right, we'll have to do that the next time 663 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: you come over. That'll keep us busy for at least 664 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: two to three hours. Well, since you're a pharmacological intuitive, yes, 665 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: and you say no mushrooms for me, because I think 666 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: you get this is why I think I think you 667 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: get very giddy already on pot. It's a lot to 668 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,719 Speaker 1: handle for you, and you get very excitable. And I 669 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: and when I've seen you drunk a few times and 670 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: you're also get very excited. I did, and I think 671 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: that's great, And why why why take it further? So 672 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: is there someone you would not recommend? I think anybody 673 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: who has a hard time losing control? Okay, Well, like 674 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: Jenny says that now she's fearful of things, you know, 675 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: more in terms of medical condition, Well that's typical. Though 676 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: that's forty turning forty, that's what happens. You'll get over that. 677 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 1: I mean I had that same kind of you know, 678 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 1: you realize that you're in decline. It's so you are 679 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 1: getting older. But I mean it is a cliche that 680 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 1: you know, once you're in your forties you feel more 681 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: confident than ever. Because I when I turned forty, I 682 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: think I had like a definite crisis than the election. 683 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,240 Speaker 1: Put was like that, you know, a hat on a hat. 684 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: I and it all kind of swirled together and I 685 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: fulminated into like, oh, this is unmanageable. So do you 686 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: think for someone who's already a type of personality, this 687 00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't help them or it could you know, hinder them? Know? 688 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 1: I mean I think if no, I think it could 689 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: help you, but you you have to know, you have 690 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: to trust, like what Alex said Alec Casci and my 691 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: friend who came on to talk about kenemine therapy, you 692 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: have to trust and respect your brain chemistry. You know 693 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: what you're okay with, and people know like they shouldn't 694 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: push yourself beyond your boundaries unless you feel like you're 695 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: in a very safe environment. And the most important thing 696 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: is to do something like this when you feel like 697 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: you are in a very safe environment, which we didn't 698 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,800 Speaker 1: brandon to your point, I am a bit of a 699 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,720 Speaker 1: control freak and I don't love being drunk. I don't 700 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 1: love I mean, he actually does nothing to me, Like 701 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: I could go to sleep on it. It doesn't even 702 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: affect my body for some reason. But this drug specifically, 703 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: you feel like you're in you have so much control. 704 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 1: That was sort of the crazy realization to me was 705 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 1: once I was on it, after I got over that 706 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: initial like oh I'm dizzy, it was like, oh, whoa, 707 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: I feel completely safe. I am fully alert, aware of 708 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,879 Speaker 1: my vironment, like almost hyper aware, so you know. I mean, 709 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: I was always a fan of cocaine when I was 710 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: in my drug phase, and I felt like you have 711 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: that same sort of like I could function on this. 712 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: It's like, even though I'm having visions, it's not like 713 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: a mushroom where you know, I sit in like a 714 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,800 Speaker 1: bathroom mirror and like dig for zits that don't exist. 715 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,760 Speaker 1: It's not that. So it's far more like a mental control. 716 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: But you're physically out of control, like that dizzy feeling 717 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,280 Speaker 1: and you know, not having control of yours. It's almost 718 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 1: like yeah, but yeah, but you know. It was so 719 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: weird was when the shaman decided that he was done 720 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 1: with us, because I don't know, maybe we were laughing 721 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: and he said that, like our trip was over and 722 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: he cut it short by like four hours. I felt 723 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: completely fine. I instantly felt fine. I was like, I'm hungry. 724 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,799 Speaker 1: I want some of those jungle noodles they make here. Um, 725 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,280 Speaker 1: let's go, let's just like go downstairs and have dinner. 726 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: Yeah you are. I like that. I like that post 727 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 1: high hungary too. I like that vibe where you're like, 728 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: oh yeah, it's you're exhausted from your night. It's especially 729 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: when you do mushrooms too, like the end of the night, 730 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: you're like, who wants pizza? That's the kind of the 731 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 1: best remember I threw up and then had something like 732 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:11,280 Speaker 1: chicken soup in the forest. Well, you've been eating because 733 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,839 Speaker 1: it's necessary for what's going on with you. But I 734 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: definitely felt control over directing my thoughts too. But I did, 735 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: oh back to the intention I do want to say 736 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 1: I did. When I went in there, I was like, 737 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: this is going to be a happy experience. This is 738 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 1: going to be fun. And the second yeah, I was like, 739 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna this is gonna be happy. Like the whole time, 740 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,240 Speaker 1: I was just like, nothing bad is going to happen, 741 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: and nothing bad did. So that's also a good thing 742 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,800 Speaker 1: to say to yourself. I wonder why you had so 743 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 1: much focus on your sister though, because you have a 744 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 1: bunch of siblings so well. I would think that it 745 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: must have been a subconscious understanding of my own to 746 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 1: know that I behaved badly or that I was being 747 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: too harsh on her, and it was just kind of 748 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 1: coming to light in that way, so that, I mean, 749 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 1: it had to be in my subconscious somewhere. Well, I 750 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 1: think it's like, you don't judge anything that you don't 751 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: recognize in yourself. So I'm wondering, like, what in the 752 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 1: way that she lives. Do you most recognize about yourself? 753 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,840 Speaker 1: Great question? You know what hearing you say, because I 754 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 1: didn't know the last part that you started to self 755 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,760 Speaker 1: reflect and you didn't like that image. And that's probably 756 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,720 Speaker 1: because Shan is very comfortable like not having people around 757 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 1: or just being in her element, and you're not. Like 758 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 1: there was a time where you didn't like being at 759 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: the house, especially by yourself. You didn't like being alone. 760 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,439 Speaker 1: So you probably see things in Shanna you're now. Sean 761 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 1: is pretty social though, like me, and she's got kids 762 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,360 Speaker 1: and she's in a different way. No, I think you're on. 763 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,360 Speaker 1: I think you're a Yeah. I think it's something like wishful, 764 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 1: like you about yourself that's so extravagant, and like you're 765 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 1: always trying to fulfill something like you said in the 766 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,319 Speaker 1: past about like these extreme activities, like you're always onto 767 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,400 Speaker 1: the next thing, and it's just lately that you kind 768 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 1: of rain that in and like I don't have to 769 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 1: do that all the time. No. Well, because I read 770 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: that book Essentialism, which Jenny you should read too. I 771 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: think I sent it to you Dan right. Essentialism by 772 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,879 Speaker 1: Greg McEwen. It's great. It's about just doing less better 773 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 1: and not doing everything poorly about you know, really focusing 774 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,799 Speaker 1: on things. I'll drop off a cop But what you're 775 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,879 Speaker 1: saying about shshana about out the activity like to create, 776 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 1: you know, the skiing and the you know, like whatever 777 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 1: I like to do kind of like extremist in a way, 778 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 1: like I like to go for it so hard is 779 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 1: And my psychiatrist told me, he's like, those are the 780 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 1: moments where you're present. Of course you love it because 781 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,800 Speaker 1: that's the only time in your life you've been present. 782 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,839 Speaker 1: When you're skiing down a mountain nine miles an hour, 783 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 1: you have to pay attention, and yeah, he goes, that's 784 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 1: why you feel the most alive. That's why you're so 785 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,319 Speaker 1: drawn to those activities. If you can incorporate that into 786 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 1: your real life and be present in your real life 787 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: like that, you'll still feel the same thrills and rushes. 788 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 1: But you know, you have to be paying attention all 789 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,280 Speaker 1: the time. So it's just another argument for being present 790 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,919 Speaker 1: and for reminding myself. Oh, if I'm in the middle 791 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: of a conversation and i start thinking about something else, 792 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:45,879 Speaker 1: or if I'm driving and I'm not thinking at all, 793 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 1: it's like, breathe, be present, you know, that's my issue mostly, 794 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: and I've really enjoyed learning how to do that because 795 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,400 Speaker 1: it's kept. It's you know. Now I can read a 796 00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 1: book without checking my phone every chapter. Even I just 797 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 1: read a book, Jenny that we're going to have to 798 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 1: send you. Dan gave me a book called Tampa. I'm 799 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 1: reading it right now. Are you by a lista nutting? 800 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,279 Speaker 1: This is a very disturbing subject matter book, but it 801 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:19,400 Speaker 1: is very well written and somehow very darkly funny. So 802 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,759 Speaker 1: so you feel I feel really good about this recommendation, 803 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 1: do you? Yeah? I feel like, you know, because sometimes 804 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,279 Speaker 1: it could be burdensome to give some of a book 805 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: it's like, oh fun you know, I got to read 806 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 1: this now, But clearly it worked. You liked it. I 807 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,400 Speaker 1: thought it was funny and it aroused you. I wouldn't 808 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,480 Speaker 1: say it aroused me, Dan, No, I would not say 809 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 1: it aroused me. But thank you for throwing that out there. Dan, 810 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: tell us a little bit where about where you are 811 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 1: in your life. Because Dan worked with me on my 812 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 1: shows for the last how many years? Eight before this 813 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 1: something like that, And then after we ended Chelsea, you 814 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: decided to go to school. I started volunteering at a 815 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:59,399 Speaker 1: Counseling Center and liked it a lot. And now I'm 816 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 1: getting my masters and becoming amazing where and are you getting? 817 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:10,239 Speaker 1: Like are you going to be? What are you going for? 818 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 1: An m f T isn't any Antioch? It is? Yeah, 819 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 1: I went to school. There are you kidding me? No? 820 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: I started getting my masters at Antioch. I loved it. 821 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,080 Speaker 1: Are you gaffing people? Wait? Wait? Who were your professors? 822 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'd have to look on my papers. 823 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 1: I don't remember. I just remember the people that were 824 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 1: I was in class. Well, so did you graduate from there? No? 825 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 1: I got a movie and I left. Well, that was 826 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 1: the right thing to do. I had. You know, my 827 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,720 Speaker 1: friend just made this movie. My friend just made this movie. 828 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,319 Speaker 1: She always puts me in whatever she makes, and she 829 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,240 Speaker 1: made this movie called Hustlers. It's coming out this this Friday. 830 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,520 Speaker 1: And she wanted to put me in a scene j 831 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 1: Loo and Constance Wu and I couldn't do it because 832 00:41:54,160 --> 00:42:01,319 Speaker 1: I had class. The movie is like so huge right now, 833 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,759 Speaker 1: and it's tracking so well. And and Dan, you are 834 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,880 Speaker 1: such a great actor. Thanks, thank you. And you didn't 835 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 1: you didn't go do it. I'm surprised they would have 836 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,359 Speaker 1: let you out. Yeah, it was so folks. I didn't 837 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,319 Speaker 1: think it was a good idea. Wait, do you know 838 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 1: one of the teachers there. I'm just gonna do you 839 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 1: have the guy who Terry Terry something? He was one 840 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 1: of the Little Rock Five. I haven't had him yet. No, 841 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,880 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's one of the most incredible classes 842 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 1: I'd ever take. What's the what's the Little Rock Five? 843 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,319 Speaker 1: So he was one of the one of the five 844 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:36,240 Speaker 1: students that was bust into Little Rock. He's African American 845 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,120 Speaker 1: and he was bust in to go to this all 846 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:42,160 Speaker 1: white school when they were But you're watching, we're studying 847 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,919 Speaker 1: it in class, right, we don't know until the very 848 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,360 Speaker 1: end that he was one of those kids, Like he 849 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,160 Speaker 1: doesn't reveal that. It was one of the most insane 850 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,800 Speaker 1: classes I've ever taken. I might go to school at Antioch. 851 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 1: I would love that. Oh my god, I should just 852 00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 1: go to that. I love Aunt anyway, because I want 853 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 1: to learn all out all that stuff. I'm so interested. 854 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,839 Speaker 1: It's amazing. But classes on Freud everything is so great there. 855 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:10,040 Speaker 1: They really do an amazing job. Well great, everybody seems 856 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 1: like they're growing up. So I guess I just I 857 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,920 Speaker 1: guess the next step is discussing where we're going to 858 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,239 Speaker 1: do it again and who else we're going to bring in. 859 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,440 Speaker 1: Do you think Jason is ready to do it? Jenny? So, 860 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,440 Speaker 1: you know, that's an interesting question because you know, he's sober, 861 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 1: and he still feels even though he knows that, you know, 862 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,880 Speaker 1: I guess it has been used to treat addiction and whatnot. 863 00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,359 Speaker 1: I think he still has a little bit of trepidation 864 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,480 Speaker 1: with just the whole being a drug thing, right right, 865 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,279 Speaker 1: not that this is the kind of drug that's gonna 866 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:40,319 Speaker 1: be like you know what I want to get now 867 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,919 Speaker 1: a bag of cocaine and I want to go get 868 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,440 Speaker 1: some hookers and go party. I mean, it's definitely not 869 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,480 Speaker 1: that drug. But I don't know. Maybe for someone like Jason, 870 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,080 Speaker 1: like you know, even like advoc cold and sinus could 871 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,600 Speaker 1: be a gateway drug. Who knows. So what kind of 872 00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 1: drugs are you using in your life now, Jenny? And 873 00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,680 Speaker 1: they do you use cannabis at all? You know? I 874 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,239 Speaker 1: really lead, don't It makes me too paranoid? Really? And 875 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,799 Speaker 1: I ate an edible. Before Jason's birthday last year, I 876 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,520 Speaker 1: was in the sunken place. I couldn't get out. It 877 00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,520 Speaker 1: was like a three day trip well, that's you overdose. 878 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,640 Speaker 1: You overdose. I just can't believe with micro dosing it 879 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 1: would be too much because you can get mints now, 880 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,600 Speaker 1: like Petra has those two and a half milligram mints 881 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,560 Speaker 1: that are just well. Brandon actually just said, you know what, 882 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 1: never mind, I'm waiting for your line to come out. 883 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 1: We're working and fine tuning everything because of the vaping crisis. 884 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,319 Speaker 1: So I have to strip every all the chemicals out 885 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,640 Speaker 1: of our vapes and make sure that they are still 886 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,960 Speaker 1: smokable and effective because I don't want to put anything 887 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,040 Speaker 1: out there that is going to cause any damage. And 888 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,279 Speaker 1: there are so many chemicals in these things. So that's 889 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 1: what we're working on to Well, I'll be waiting. I'm ready. 890 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,560 Speaker 1: It's good to be back together you guys. Jenny. It's 891 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,239 Speaker 1: really annoying that you're not here. When are we going 892 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,680 Speaker 1: to see you again? I'll be out there at the 893 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,759 Speaker 1: beginning of October. Well, can you let me know this? 894 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,839 Speaker 1: Oh I'm leaving. I go on tour in October to Australia. 895 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,360 Speaker 1: Oh God, are you serious? I feel like you're missing. 896 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,040 Speaker 1: So that's the impression I'm getting. Dan. Literally, let me 897 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,160 Speaker 1: just tell you. Chelsea was here in town. We were 898 00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,600 Speaker 1: in front of the theater where she was about to perform. 899 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,759 Speaker 1: I get a call from my sister in law who 900 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,239 Speaker 1: tells me that they literally pulled the baby's arm out 901 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,840 Speaker 1: of his socket. You know, I guess it's called nursemaid's elbow. 902 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,279 Speaker 1: So it wasn't the arm of the elbow and we 903 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:29,799 Speaker 1: had to leave. Terrible. His arm was in an electric socket. No, 904 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,760 Speaker 1: the no, the socket. The elbow came out of the socket. 905 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:37,279 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that sounds terrible. It's a quick fix, right, 906 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,600 Speaker 1: was an elaborate excuse to get out of seeing Chelsea 907 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:45,320 Speaker 1: that night. We really went for it. Well, you guys 908 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,840 Speaker 1: went off and became parents, and now you're paying the price. 909 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,080 Speaker 1: It's true, It's very true. Well, I love you. I 910 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,799 Speaker 1: hope to see you. I hope to thank you. Thank you, Dan, 911 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:59,600 Speaker 1: thank you, Jenny, thank you, Brandon, Thank you guys. Bye bye. 912 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,520 Speaker 1: I okay, Well, this sounds like a good time to 913 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:08,040 Speaker 1: take a break. Um, Dan, before we sign off, do 914 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,799 Speaker 1: you want to say any parting words or do you 915 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,480 Speaker 1: have anything you want to share with our listeners. I 916 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,359 Speaker 1: think that the only thing I'm really interested in talking 917 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,120 Speaker 1: about these days is the peloton. Oh yeah, that's right. 918 00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,680 Speaker 1: You've got a real peloton. I'm so so I have 919 00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,640 Speaker 1: a peloton now too. And everyone won't shut the funk 920 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,279 Speaker 1: up about pelotons, which is so annoying. But when you 921 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,160 Speaker 1: told me these are two things you made me do, 922 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,160 Speaker 1: get a peloton, well, I think I had no tampa. 923 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,640 Speaker 1: I read, and also to watch Succession because I had 924 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,760 Speaker 1: started it and then I stopped it, and you convinced 925 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,000 Speaker 1: me that I had to rewatch it and start again. 926 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,680 Speaker 1: And I did start again last night, and you were right, 927 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,320 Speaker 1: and everybody's right because the two things everybody keeps talking 928 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,759 Speaker 1: about our succession and the peloton. And I want to 929 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:58,399 Speaker 1: say to the people from Peloton, so annoying to hear 930 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,680 Speaker 1: so many people talk about a bite and to take 931 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,640 Speaker 1: Cody's class and to take Hannah's class. It's just like, 932 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,080 Speaker 1: fuck off, fuck off. It's just it's like a cult. 933 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,000 Speaker 1: So now I'm resisting it. And I you know, I 934 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,080 Speaker 1: don't are you going to flex? What are you doing 935 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,440 Speaker 1: with you? I could if you don't know. You listen, 936 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:21,040 Speaker 1: think about the shaman, the shaman and the rainforest. That 937 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:25,040 Speaker 1: guy's like not half the leader. That any of those 938 00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:29,600 Speaker 1: Pelton instructors are He's probably not wrong. Have you tried 939 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,960 Speaker 1: the Pelton yet, Brandon? As my bell, she may have. Okay, 940 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,080 Speaker 1: when I'm vulnerable and like in the middle of an effort, 941 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:42,400 Speaker 1: I ironically am so inspired by these people. Yeah, and 942 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,239 Speaker 1: I speaking of Cody, I think I think he's hilarious. 943 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,880 Speaker 1: They'll say, get a sip of water, grab a towel, 944 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,360 Speaker 1: and get your life together. It sounds pretty gay. He's 945 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,040 Speaker 1: obviously gay. Yeah. I do think you should say, though, 946 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,600 Speaker 1: that it is a good workout. You've mentioned why did 947 00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,520 Speaker 1: we Why do I have to say that? Well, because 948 00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,160 Speaker 1: for people who are interested in the Peltic, so it is. 949 00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,440 Speaker 1: And yeah, you know you're right, Brandon. I mean I 950 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,560 Speaker 1: don't want to assail them. Obviously, people love it and 951 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,080 Speaker 1: that's great. I just don't want to hear about it 952 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,480 Speaker 1: so many times a day because I resist that. But 953 00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,880 Speaker 1: that's my own issue. Again, I've tried it several times. 954 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,000 Speaker 1: I've tried to take Cody's class. I tried Hannah, and 955 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,040 Speaker 1: I tried somebody else and I cannot get past ten. 956 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,520 Speaker 1: Matt Wilper's okay, and Dennis is the guy that and Dennis, 957 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,160 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna keep going at it. But you know. 958 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,279 Speaker 1: I think maybe I'm just going to have to acclimate 959 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,200 Speaker 1: and take some slower classes or just do the scenic rides. 960 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,480 Speaker 1: The only issue with some of the scenic rides is 961 00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,320 Speaker 1: that you're riding over things that don't have a bike path. 962 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,319 Speaker 1: So they take you over mountain ranges, like you're riding 963 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,440 Speaker 1: your bike up a mountain and there's and then you 964 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,080 Speaker 1: increase the resistance so that there's no path. There's no path, 965 00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,000 Speaker 1: there's I mean, I'm just like, you know what, I 966 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,400 Speaker 1: can't speak to it. I'm not riding on rocks. It 967 00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,080 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. Sometimes I'm riding my bike over water 968 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,600 Speaker 1: like there's it's not the right. Anyone who's listening must 969 00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,439 Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. And if you don't, please 970 00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:01,840 Speaker 1: don't contact me. And if you do, please don't content. Okay, 971 00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,239 Speaker 1: So I have added some stand up dates. I am 972 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:10,640 Speaker 1: coming to Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Grand Rapids, Michigan, Vancouver, Milwaukee, Indianapolis, 973 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,160 Speaker 1: Kansas City, Salt Lake City, Oklahoma City, Toronto. We just 974 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,239 Speaker 1: added a second show there and we are adding other 975 00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,000 Speaker 1: second shows if your market is sold out. I'm also 976 00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:25,439 Speaker 1: coming to Sydney, Australia on October five. I believe I'm 977 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,879 Speaker 1: coming to Brisbane, I'm coming to Melbourne, and then I'm 978 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,719 Speaker 1: going to Auckland, New Zealand. You can go to my 979 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:36,000 Speaker 1: accountable page for information on social activism, or you can 980 00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,719 Speaker 1: go to Emily's List and follow them because I have 981 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,920 Speaker 1: partnered with Emily's List to raise awareness for all the 982 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:48,480 Speaker 1: female candidates that they are backing, and they're all progressive women. 983 00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,360 Speaker 1: So if you're interested in doing that, you can follow 984 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:56,799 Speaker 1: all of those places. And there's also a Facebook group 985 00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:58,920 Speaker 1: that I've started called The Orange Room, which is a 986 00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,920 Speaker 1: private group and you have to, I guess to get 987 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,160 Speaker 1: in the group, you have to mention something from the 988 00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,400 Speaker 1: book that you've read. This is a support group for 989 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:12,200 Speaker 1: anybody dealing with trauma or loss or grief, and it 990 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,919 Speaker 1: is really just like a really beautiful space and I've 991 00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,040 Speaker 1: been really moved. I hop on there and send messages 992 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,360 Speaker 1: and respond to people, and everybody else is really supportive 993 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,560 Speaker 1: of each other on there as well. And my new 994 00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:29,680 Speaker 1: documentary is out tomorrow night on Netflix. It's called Hello Privilege. 995 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:34,880 Speaker 1: It's me Chelsea. Yes. It premiers midnight on Netflix and 996 00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,880 Speaker 1: you can find me on Instagram or Twitter. Brandon. Everyone 997 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,520 Speaker 1: keeps asking me on my d M s on Instagram 998 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,279 Speaker 1: about your Instagram. No, we should just get this clear. 999 00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,600 Speaker 1: I have no social media, I don't care about it, 1000 00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,040 Speaker 1: and we're going to keep it that way. I think 1001 00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,279 Speaker 1: that's the right decision. I didn't make it for him, 1002 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,479 Speaker 1: just in case you're wondering. My Bell, on the other hand, 1003 00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,239 Speaker 1: has to make her account private. She's got a lot 1004 00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:01,880 Speaker 1: of fans. 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