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Speaker 1: Amy roboc and TJ. Holmes present Killer Thriller with your

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Speaker 1: host Alisa Donovan.

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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, Alisa Donovan here back with a new episode

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Speaker 2: of Killer Thriller. Today we are continuing the conversation around

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Speaker 2: a story that has clearly struck a nerve, the real

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Speaker 2: life case behind the dating app killer, the Monica White story.

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Speaker 1: We are talking.

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Speaker 2: About how predators hide in plain sight, how charm can

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Speaker 2: disarm even the smartest among us, and how quickly a

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Speaker 2: seemingly normal interaction can turn into something far more dangerous.

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Speaker 2: So our guest today is actress Leila Rashaan, who takes

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Speaker 2: on the role of Monica White in this film.

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Speaker 1: As a quick reminder, this movie.

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Speaker 2: Is based on the real case of Anthony Robinson. Anthony

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Speaker 2: met women through dating apps. He presented as soft spoken, polite,

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Speaker 2: even vulnerable, and he murdered multiple women in the DC,

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Speaker 2: Virginia area and then dumped them in shopping carts, dubbing

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Speaker 2: him the shopping cart killer. Aderie convicted him very quickly

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Speaker 2: and he's due to be sentenced this may. Leila brings

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Speaker 2: us inside the emotional reality of a woman who initially

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Speaker 1: Leila, Welcome to Killer Thriller.

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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: I am very honored to meet you.

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Speaker 2: I've been a very big fan for a long time,

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Speaker 2: so I just wanted to say that straight away, thank you.

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Speaker 2: And I spoke with Elizabeth Rome, the director of this film, recently,

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Speaker 2: and she's wonderful, as you already know, and such a

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Speaker 2: wonderful director and just was singing your praises rightfully, so

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Speaker 2: so this character, you know. But now we're very excited

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Speaker 2: to talk to you because you are the voice of Monica,

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Speaker 2: and you you brought such a warmth and grace and

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Speaker 2: did you see in Monica that made you want to

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Speaker 3: First of all, I couldn't believe that this really happened,

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Speaker 3: and that was sort of, you know, wow. And I

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Speaker 3: I felt that you have to be very lonely to

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Speaker 3: it's very common that women in a lot of ways

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's the thing.

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Speaker 2: I think that's so that's at the heart of this

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Speaker 2: this is about that loneliness and that desire to connect

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Speaker 2: on such normal circumstances that many, many, many women have

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Speaker 2: And the fact that it's on that these you know,

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Speaker 2: And do you think that that's do you think that

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Speaker 2: that's what makes it scarier, that it's such a thing

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Speaker 3: I think it's scary because she had not a clue.

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Speaker 3: I mean, who would ever think that somebody was a

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Speaker 1: Mean it, right, You don't really mean it.

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Speaker 3: No, and he really was, which is crazy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, one of the things that's so effective about

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Speaker 3: And talking to her. It is really interesting that she

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Speaker 3: You had to just use your judgment. And I think

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Speaker 2: Is exactly, because it's that the politeness and the kind

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Speaker 3: Not right, not right. I think Monica said that the

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Speaker 3: first thing he said to her was, please don't judge me,

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Speaker 1: Who says that, who says that, who says that?

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Speaker 3: Red flag yes, yeah, And I think that she just

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Speaker 2: I mean, so this is another question. Do you think

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Speaker 2: And do you think that's part of what is going

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Speaker 3: I think absolutely. I think what your inner spirit will

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Speaker 3: I think she was insecure because he was so much

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Speaker 3: And I think the only thing that saved her, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, did you so tell me about so you spoke

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Speaker 2: with her, then I did, Yes, tell me about that.

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Speaker 1: Did you meet her in person?

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Speaker 3: You know that she was preyed upon. Like I know

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Speaker 3: You just don't know what you're gonna get mm hm.

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Speaker 3: So I think that she had a lot of self

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Speaker 2: I do too, because you know, to your point, these

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Speaker 2: certainly not a flaw. And do you think that has

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Speaker 2: There's something that is very unsettling about how quickly he

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Speaker 3: And Monica said that was what she used to get

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Speaker 3: she said, I don't do men who's sleep with them? Well,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean everybody has a red line, and that

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Speaker 3: He manipulates her and makes her feel sorry for him

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Speaker 2: You just don't know, right, I Mean, some of us

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Speaker 1: Right right, right?

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Speaker 3: So do you so?

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Speaker 3: You have to get to know them before you say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Why, and he says, you know, that.

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Speaker 2: About doing horrible things and then sort of the more

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Speaker 2: you do it, it just becomes okay, like you just

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Speaker 2: kind of get used to it. And I found that

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Speaker 2: was based in something real or was that sort of

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Speaker 2: an interpretation.

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Speaker 1: That they made. It was very, very impactful, I thought.

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Speaker 3: I think that what I liked about the story is

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Speaker 3: you have her, and you have the girl in the

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Speaker 3: bar that says I'm leaving and he goes why and

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Speaker 3: she said, because I'm just not feeling it. And I

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Speaker 3: think it was important to have a balance of people

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Speaker 3: who instinctually could read him as dangerous and not write.

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Speaker 3: And I think that you had to have that balance

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Speaker 3: because everybody didn't fall for him, you know, there had

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Speaker 3: to be some people that didn't. And I think that

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Speaker 3: that was just good writing that we saw both sides

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Speaker 3: right right.

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Speaker 2: Was there any scene in the film, either when you

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Speaker 2: watched it or when you were shooting that that really

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Speaker 2: just has stuck with you, that feels like.

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Speaker 1: This just stayed with you.

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Speaker 3: I think the confrontation when she says, you know, I

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Speaker 3: was willing to give you everything. It's just that you

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Speaker 3: said those things to Jasmine her niece, and I think

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Speaker 3: that is hermost that's the heart of the story. You

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Speaker 3: know that this woman was willing to give him everything

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Speaker 3: if he had just been right. And that's that's embarrassing.

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Speaker 3: It's it's hard to say, and it's so honest and

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Speaker 3: it's so truthful that she was willing to give him everything.

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Speaker 3: What does that say? That's a lot. That's that's clear, clear,

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Speaker 3: just full vulnerability that I'm this open. I'm going to

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Speaker 3: share my home, I'm going to share everything I've worked for.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to give you everything. But she said those

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Speaker 3: things to my niece. But you did something bad, you

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Speaker 3: did something wrong. You showed me who you are. You

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Speaker 3: blew it. And I think it's even bigger than that

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Speaker 3: because he did just blew it. He ended up being crazy,

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Speaker 3: a killer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that will that scene as to fall because you

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Speaker 2: really see your performance in the whole movie is terrific.

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Speaker 1: But I do remember that moment as well, and you.

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Speaker 2: Really feel the utter deflation and disappointment that she has

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Speaker 2: in him, Like, I really I believed something good in

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Speaker 2: you and you really you really let me down.

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Speaker 1: I it's very strong.

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Speaker 2: What do you hope that women take away from Monica's story, I.

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Speaker 3: Think be careful and dating somebody twenty years younger, I

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Speaker 3: think that's a red flag. I mean, I'm not saying that,

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Speaker 3: you know, you can't have some fun, but that's a

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Speaker 3: lot of years, and I think you need to be

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Speaker 3: careful of what a man that young wants from you, Like,

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Speaker 3: stop kidding yourself. You may be fabulous, but very few

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Speaker 3: are that fabulous that you know somebody years younger, which

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Speaker 3: he was. I think she was fifty, he was thirty.

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Speaker 3: But also I just want them to be careful. You

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Speaker 3: have to be careful. You have to bet who you're

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Speaker 3: going out with and who you're dating even you know,

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Speaker 3: there's a story of the other story of the girl

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Speaker 3: who met a guy and he was just married him everything,

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Speaker 3: and deep into the marriage she finds out he wasn't

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Speaker 3: who he was online. So you know, don't lie to yourself,

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Speaker 3: be honest with yourself and really ask those important questions.

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Speaker 3: And if it doesn't make sense, it doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, okay.

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Speaker 2: The Dating app Killer the Monica White Story premiered last

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Speaker 2: Saturday on Lifetime and it is streaming now on Filo

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Speaker 2: and you must watch it. Leila's performance, Jared's everybody. It's

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Speaker 2: so strong and I just am honored to have spoken

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Speaker 2: with you.

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Speaker 3: Leila.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being here and I wish

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Speaker 1: you the best.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. It's been fun.

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Speaker 3: Thank you,