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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks? DJ, Buck

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Speaker 1: with you? Buck? What is going on?

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 1: How you doing?

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Speaker 2: Not too might DJ?

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Speaker 3: Another fun football weekend is upon us, and so I'm

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Speaker 3: excited to see what takes place over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it should be good. It's a good slate of games.

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Speaker 1: It's a great slate of college games, by the way,

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Speaker 1: looking forward to that. So, man, it might be one

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Speaker 1: of the best Saturdays of the entire year. So looking

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Speaker 1: forward to Saturday at football followed by a jam Pack Sunday.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get some of those games, including the

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Speaker 1: game that we're most looking forward to. But before we

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Speaker 1: do that, we did not hit on this yesterday. I

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Speaker 1: wanted to get your thoughts on it. As part of

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Speaker 1: the Jets changes, you know, Robert sala is out, Jeff

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Speaker 1: Olbrick is the interim head coach. They announced the other

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Speaker 1: day that Todd Downing is going to take over the

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Speaker 1: play calling for Nathaniel Hackett. Nathaniel Hackett stays on staff,

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Speaker 1: but not calling plays. Wait, surprise it all by this.

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Speaker 1: What do you think?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I think you're trying to You're

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Speaker 3: trying to serve and appease a lot of different people. Right,

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Speaker 3: so you make the move, you get rid of Robert Sala.

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Speaker 3: People are the pointed to Nathaniel Hackett as the problem.

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Speaker 3: You keep him, but you demote him. How does that

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Speaker 3: impact the quarterback? The quarterback came to New York primarily

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Speaker 3: because of his relationship with Nathaniel Hackett. Nathaniel Hackett has

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Speaker 3: been demoted. What is the relationship like with Todd Downing.

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Speaker 3: We've seen Todd Downing as an offensive coordinator. He was

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Speaker 3: once offensive coordinator with the Raiders. Derek Carr had Derek

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Speaker 3: with the Tithes. Then how much can you change? Like

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Speaker 3: it's not a bye week, how much can you change? Ultimately,

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers are going to call the plays that worked

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Speaker 3: for him. No, it I think John Wooden says, never

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Speaker 2: A lot of activity, I don't know what it achieves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Look, we saw it in The Hard

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Speaker 1: Knocks a little bit. I mean, I think that Aaron

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Speaker 1: and Todd Downing developed a really good relationship. They're in

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Speaker 1: more than anything else, you know, I think scheme wise, look,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna Aaron Rodgers is going to be involved in

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Speaker 1: the game plan every week, and I'm sure any quarterback

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Speaker 1: let's put our game plan together. This to me. Do

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Speaker 1: you remember in the in the game on Sunday when

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Speaker 1: there was video of Aaron Rodgers just going like, get

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Speaker 1: the give me the play, get the play in, get

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Speaker 1: everybody's like, oh, we're going to see a different look

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know about that. I think more

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Speaker 1: I need somebody who can think and communicate quick. I

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Speaker 1: want to play in my head as fast as I

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Speaker 2: Well, let's think about that.

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Speaker 3: With Nathaniel Hackett, there were some issues in Denver with

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Speaker 3: game penalties, and yeah, we kind of chalked it up

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Speaker 3: this happens, I'm gonna call this. If this happens, I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna call the other one. Let's go. There's an art

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Speaker 2: He has not played well enough to do that.

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Speaker 3: And giving the money and giving the things the resources

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's there's no way to hide that. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know I've ever asked this before as someone

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Speaker 1: How did you set up your sheet? How'd you set

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Speaker 3: You remember the best thing that ever happened is when

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Speaker 2: That we got. Yeah, like, how do you have like

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Speaker 3: How are you able to score so many points with

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Speaker 3: I found the more plays that are on the sheet,

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Speaker 3: practicing it? And I found less is more in high school.

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Speaker 3: I think man for us, the way we play slow down,

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Speaker 3: so the quarterback is not confused. You're just dressing up

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Speaker 1: I've always been faster when people talk about that how

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Speaker 3: No, So it's funny because okay, so from an offensive standpoint,

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Speaker 3: it's about like you got to have enough.

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Speaker 2: Plays, but maybe six plays per situation.

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Speaker 3: Some of those plays you can repeat them, but like, hey,

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Speaker 3: And this is funny because David Shaw is obviously a

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Speaker 3: situation on defense, like literally it was primary call, change

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Speaker 3: And you're not only uncertain as a play caller, but

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Speaker 3: Keep it simple the common theme that I hear from

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Speaker 3: It looked make the complex very simple. So it looks

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, that stuff always has been fascinating to me how

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Speaker 3: that's why I've gone away from like having laminated play

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Speaker 3: It's already designated out. I think it's important to have

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Speaker 3: hear people talk about players not plays. Yeah, yeah, in

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Speaker 2: Chaotic as you can think about it.

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Speaker 3: But DJ, if you haven't already written it out ahead

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Speaker 2: The dirt, it's a follow up. You can't do it.

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Speaker 3: You can't make things up like it's too hard, there's

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Speaker 2: Predesign adjustments.

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Speaker 3: I mean you may not share the adjustments that you're

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Speaker 1: What about I remember Urban Myrad said this a million

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Speaker 1: Percy Harvin plays. I got five Percy Harvin plays that

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Speaker 1: this gets just gets the ball in his hands, guaranteed

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have those called before the end of the day.

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Speaker 3: like six ninety seven, and Mike Holmgren always had a

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: The other part that's important to that is there should

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Speaker 2: All right, DJ's our favorite time.

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Speaker 3: It is time for the game of the week, presented

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Speaker 3: about Draft Kings Sportsbook. This week is the Commanders at Ravens.

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Speaker 2: You talked about it.

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Speaker 2: We talked about the college games.

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Speaker 3: But DJ, the scouting me can't wait to see this

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Speaker 1: I'm curious to see how the Ravens try and defend them,

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Speaker 3: Well, and let's be honest. So this was the biggest

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Speaker 3: No one really tells you how to be a decordinator.

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Speaker 3: No one tells you how to sequence your plays, how

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Speaker 3: What do you think how to fix the issues that you.

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Speaker 2: Have to have?

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Speaker 3: An experienced player in Dan Piece, who has been in

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Speaker 1: No doubt. It'll be interesting to see what they do

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Speaker 1: So I mean they've kind of given themselves. They've kind

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Speaker 3: They not all they have shown what the mo is DJ.

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Speaker 3: But I would say this is the best version of

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Speaker 2: Till they get Keith Mitchell back.

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Speaker 3: I mean they have They have so many weapons in

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Speaker 3: I would say this the Commander's defense is playing really,

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Speaker 1: Uh, let's do a draft here. We'll each get two picks.

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Speaker 1: So what you're looking forward to the most, the games

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Speaker 2: Two rounds? Are we talking pro? College? I got the board?

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Speaker 1: It's a great pro schedule. I'm looking forward to recapping

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Speaker 3: The first thing that was on my mind was like,

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Speaker 3: I mean, do we even have to talk about that?

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Speaker 3: Oregon in Ohio State. That's what I want to watch,

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Speaker 3: We already just talked about the match up with Baltimore

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's off the table. That's off the table.

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Speaker 2: How about we do this? How about Detroit Dallas? This

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Speaker 3: The Detroit lines tend to take everybody into the cage

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Speaker 3: and the octagon and they kind of beat them up right.

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Speaker 3: As much as we talked about Jared Goff and them

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Speaker 2: Mouth and the Cowboys punchback.

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Speaker 1: Now, that's a great pick. I like that pick. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see a bunch of explosive plays

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Speaker 2: You won it.

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Speaker 1: You're in first place. So Jeff the Jeff Obrich era

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Speaker 3: And not only that, I mean you change your play call,

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Speaker 3: You're changing all of this stuff. I mean a completely

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Speaker 2: That is going to be pretty fun.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go down to New Orleans and I'm gona

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Speaker 4: He's being blitzed right now. He doesn't even know about it.

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Speaker 3: He is going to see so many crazy blisses that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited to watch him see what he does.

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Speaker 1: Jade and Caleb game. Now, does Caleb keep ascending on

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Speaker 1: this climb here? You know, what's that going to look like?

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to seeing you can I'm looking forward

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Speaker 1: to hearing what you think seeing him live and in person.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it should. It should be a good one.

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Speaker 3: And I would say this is a tricky said situation

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Speaker 3: because everyone is going to focus on Kayleb Williams and

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Speaker 3: the Bears offense. But I'm gonna tell you it's the

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Speaker 3: defense that really would give me problems if I'm the

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Speaker 3: Jackson and Jaguars. I'm worried about Matt Eberfluss's troops turning

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Speaker 3: the ball over the way that they are obsessive in

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Speaker 3: terms of going after the ball, punching the ball out,

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Speaker 3: how fast they play, how hard they play, It's going

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Speaker 3: to be a challenge. What you're hoping from the Jack

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Speaker 3: standpoint is that Trevor can take what he learned from

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Speaker 3: going against Gus Bradley's defense, the patience, the discipline, the restraint,

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Speaker 3: taking the check down and allowing the checkdowns to eventually

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Speaker 3: lead you the bigger plays once the defense get out

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Speaker 3: of position. See if he can continue to do that.

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Speaker 3: And then from a Caleb standpoint, everything that we talked

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Speaker 3: about with Caleb coming out and the draft was about

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Speaker 3: his ability to play on time and on schedule. When

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Speaker 3: he does that, this offense looks really good. Every now

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Speaker 3: and Dan, he's going to do some willy nilly plays

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Speaker 3: and kind of get out, get out of the pocket.

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Speaker 3: But the more that he stays on time and on target,

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Speaker 3: it is for that Bears offense.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you a question on the jag

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Speaker 1: side of things defensively, because I've seen the numbers, I've

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Speaker 1: seen some of the cutups. I haven't watched every snap.

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Speaker 1: You've been there for every single game. As the light

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Speaker 1: really really come on for Trayvon Walker. It looks like

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Speaker 1: he just keeps getting better and better.

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Speaker 3: He does get better and better. Here's what I will

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Speaker 3: say he benefits from. Ryan Nilsen is a defensive line guy,

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Speaker 3: so he spends a lot of time with the defensive

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Speaker 3: line when you go to pregame. Ryan Nilsen is taking

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Speaker 3: those guys kind of through Drio's kind of really working

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Speaker 3: on it. The way that they want to play defense

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Speaker 3: is a defensive line centric approach. They want to rush forward,

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Speaker 3: they want to leave people in coverage. The problem that

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Speaker 3: you had is.

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Speaker 2: They hadn't been able to win one on one enough.

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Speaker 3: Trayvon Walker and Josh ein Zalen are good enough to

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Speaker 3: be able to get it done.

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Speaker 2: They don't have a third piece right now that is

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Speaker 2: playing it. They level.

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Speaker 3: Eric Armstead is playing primarily in the defensive tackles that

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Speaker 3: not dominated on the interior, so it's been tougher. But

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Speaker 3: I will say this, Trayvon Waller has been really solid

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Speaker 3: and steady on the inside.

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Speaker 2: I think that pick will always be debated.

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Speaker 3: Right because when you look at Aiden Hudson and the

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Speaker 3: production that he's given and how he's fit in really

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Speaker 3: well in Detroit. I think there are always going to

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Speaker 3: be people that are like, man, this guy was approven

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Speaker 3: pass Rushler, you passed on him for more of the athlete.

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Speaker 3: But when Trayvon Walking is coming off a hat trick,

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Speaker 3: it's kind of hard to debate whether you took the

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Speaker 3: right guy to wrong guy or not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I also think it's you know, it's kind

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Speaker 1: of like what we see almost every year with the draft,

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Speaker 1: is you have a guy who's you have to acknowledge

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Speaker 1: is going to come in at a higher level, which

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Speaker 1: Aiden Hutchinson was. I had Aiden Hutchinson as that over

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Speaker 1: a Traymon but the conversation was if you like Trayvon

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Speaker 1: it was okay, we'll concede maybe year one, two, maybe

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Speaker 1: even year three, but we're going to believe that on

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Speaker 1: the climb and on the ascension with just what's in

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Speaker 1: his body, that Traymon Walker can eventually be a more

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Speaker 1: impactful player. That was the bet, that was the gamble,

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Speaker 1: And I think when it's all said and done, I

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Speaker 1: think there's a real chance that both Organs are happy

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Speaker 1: with who they got.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think the thing about that not in this case

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Speaker 3: in terms of Trayvon Walker versus Aid and Hudson, specifically,

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Speaker 3: but if you're going to take more of the projection,

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Speaker 3: I think it's really important that this is the decision

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Speaker 3: maker scouts to coaches.

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Speaker 2: You got to know the.

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Speaker 3: Coaches that you have on staff, and how good are

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Speaker 3: my coaches when it comes to developing players. If we

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Speaker 3: have a great player development program, then I think you

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Speaker 3: can take the project And we've talked about it, like

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Speaker 3: it's the Indianapolis Colts who have taken all the super

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Speaker 3: athletes and entrusted them to the coaching staff to get

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Speaker 3: them up and going. It's really important that when you

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Speaker 3: take a player that you're projecting to be a better

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Speaker 3: player down the end, that the coaches are comfortable developing

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Speaker 3: the play and they have a proven track record for

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Speaker 3: getting the most out of those kind of players.

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Speaker 1: Had no doubt. Look as it stands right now, I

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Speaker 1: think Hudginson's got like six and a half sacks, Trey

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Speaker 1: Will's got five. Like they're both playing great, So good

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Speaker 1: for both those teams. All right, Buck, we are going

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Speaker 1: to be back next week. We'll have a recap of

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Speaker 1: the rookie draft, how that looked, how those guys performed.

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Speaker 1: We'll also have some thoughts on what we saw from

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Speaker 1: the college football weekend. It is an awesome weekend of

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Speaker 1: college football. Safe travels to you as you head over

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Speaker 1: to London for Jags Bears, and look forward to catching

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Speaker 1: up next week. Appreciate it, man, It'll be fun. All right,

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Speaker 1: there you go, that's it, move the sticks. We'll see

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Speaker 1: you next time. Right here,