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Speaker 1: Readily, readily donks look at us now. Tip to Tim.

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Speaker 1: This is our life, this is our passion. That's the

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Speaker 1: spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm

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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: This this Morning Combat. It is Monday, February eighth, twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty one, and it is time Dowks for Morning Combat.

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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, My name is Luke Thomas. I am one

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Speaker 2: half of your hosting duo, joined by the gentleman who

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Speaker 2: you would imagine might be in my room because it

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Speaker 2: looks pretty similar, but he is not. However, he is

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Speaker 2: my coworker from CBS Sports. He's the cue to my

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Speaker 2: non the conspiracy to my theory, the one and only

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Speaker 2: Brian Campbell. Hi, Brian, Hello, Luke.

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Speaker 3: We are in the same building, not necessarily sharing the

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Speaker 3: same bed, but as you know, big announcement this week

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Speaker 3: from Belatoriam in May. We are on site here at

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Speaker 3: the mohegan on to cover it. Not our typical living

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Speaker 3: business for CBS Sports and Morning Combat, so we got

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Speaker 3: to keep the show moving. I would be sitting right

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Speaker 3: next to you, Luke, if it wasn't for protocol and

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Speaker 3: quarantining so I want to make sure you and I

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Speaker 3: are as safe as possible.

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Speaker 2: Did you watch the super Bowl last night?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Luke, I am an American? Right, I watched the

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Speaker 4: damn super Bowl last night.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what did you think you it was not a

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Speaker 2: fun game?

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Speaker 4: Yes, all right?

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Speaker 3: You know, uh, this guy TV making it look ec

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Speaker 3: right a lot like us, Luke? You know it was

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Speaker 3: fine whatever?

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Speaker 2: Whatever? Right, Well, you know you're fun to talk to.

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Speaker 3: Let's get the I mean, is the guy on is

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Speaker 3: the guy on peds or what?

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Speaker 2: Luke?

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Speaker 4: Okay, how the hell is he doing this at forty three?

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Speaker 2: All right? You know? Can you go on good Night's Rest?

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Speaker 2: BC doesn't believe in condoms, so I don't know why

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Speaker 2: that's the thing, but he doesn't. He told me things

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Speaker 2: that there as well. And we have a lot to

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Speaker 2: talk about today. BC. We had a crazy UFC show

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Speaker 2: over the weekend. We had BKFC on Friday, we had

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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl yesterday. We're here in our stupid ass

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Speaker 2: hotel rooms. Should be a fun show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, team pull out in the house here, Luke.

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Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, wow, we're already there.

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Speaker 2: All right, yeah yeah, never fail?

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Speaker 3: Ye all right, No, I did watch this show. What

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Speaker 3: do you want me to do?

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Speaker 2: Looke?

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Speaker 3: You want to break me? To break down the inepted

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Speaker 3: new the ineptitude of the Kansas, the offensive line. Do

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Speaker 3: you think I care about that ship?

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Speaker 2: Luke ask for and I'm just asking, like, did you

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Speaker 2: enjoy the experience? I did not. The game wasn't great,

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Speaker 4: Not enough Spoodie for you. Right, not not enough LBB

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Speaker 4: for you on that one.

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Speaker 3: I will say the folks at CBS fantastic job on

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Speaker 2: Fantas Yeah, production was high, did you? And I was

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Speaker 2: talking about this with our producer. I thought Tony Romo

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Speaker 2: to a BC. Alexander Volkov defeats Alistair Overarim and it

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Speaker 3: We'd seen obviously flashes of this level of brilliance from

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Speaker 4: Know, there were still some holes to his game.

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Speaker 3: what could he do against the very elite heavyweights. This

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Speaker 4: Know, a dark horse title contender.

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Speaker 3: This division's crowded enough where he's not gonna get the

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Speaker 4: This is gonna be very interesting.

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Speaker 2: You know What's interesting to me be see if in

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Speaker 2: recently saw is that they call him like that. He's like,

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Speaker 2: he's like one hundred and thirty five pounds and he's

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Speaker 3: We saw him, the Towering Inferno, Sebastian Fundura, who's.

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Speaker 2: It's finally great to see somebody do that. To your point, though,

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Speaker 2: what does it mean for the division? You're right, man,

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Speaker 2: here's another player in this business. He cannot be denied.

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Speaker 2: Would you really say BC that if he had a

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Speaker 2: rematch with Curtis Blade, there's no chance he could win.

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Speaker 2: I would like his chances, you know, pretty decently. I suppose. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: He may not have the same type of crushing one

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Speaker 4: And you know, Luke, he's got to keep the fight

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Speaker 3: But I wonder if it happened really in that loss

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Speaker 3: You know, we tease this before this fight, and I

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Speaker 2: In some ways? Dude, isn't he? You know? I'm not

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're damn right, you do, Luke, I mean this

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Speaker 3: And I think now that he's got the full sort

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Speaker 3: know what I mean? To some degree, Luke, that's happening

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Speaker 2: Luke. Sort of yes, certainly that there are there's something

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Speaker 2: Let's say they don't introduce Jones, right, So let's say Jones,

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Speaker 3: I think they would be not the smartest to run

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Speaker 4: I feel like he does.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's the perfect fight in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 4: That's on the books. That's happening. Yeah, all right, well

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Speaker 3: There, Luke, okay, uh do you like him against a

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Speaker 2: Let's see. That's a good question. I believe he's fighting

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean you could easily see the winner

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Speaker 2: That's gonna be a fun month for the heavyweight division.

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Speaker 2: stay inside the heavyweight division BC. You know, Alistair Ovarine

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Speaker 2: But you know, you've lost now to these guys who

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Speaker 3: It's hard, Luke, It's hard. I mean, like you know,

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Speaker 3: I still think, Luke, he's he can come back and

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Speaker 3: This division, you just never know. Things change so quickly

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a tough one. It's like one of

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Speaker 2: do you do with a guy who is very competitive,

432
00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,920
Speaker 2: maybe not with the elite of the elite, but top

433
00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:51,240
Speaker 2: ten and then also has had just an outrageous amount

434
00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,280
Speaker 2: of damage. You know, what are you supposed to tell

435
00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,159
Speaker 2: a guy like that? I don't know what the answer

436
00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,600
Speaker 2: is to me. It seems like we just don't have

437
00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,640
Speaker 2: enough brain to tell fight screenings to make a determined

438
00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:02,280
Speaker 2: call here.

439
00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,960
Speaker 3: And he's not showing any issues of the damage. So, Luke,

440
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,960
Speaker 3: I think those initial losses he took in the UFC,

441
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,600
Speaker 3: as I mentioned in last week's show, you know, the

442
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,200
Speaker 3: Travis Brown won the Bigfoot Silver one, they were sort

443
00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,080
Speaker 3: of arrogant losses. Let his hands down, let the chin

444
00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,440
Speaker 3: out there, got caught. Ever since I lost to Stepe, Yeah,

445
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,040
Speaker 3: he's gotten stopped by the super elide, the top three

446
00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,040
Speaker 3: or five guys that you mentioned when.

447
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,320
Speaker 4: He fights them. But he's so competitive in these fights.

448
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 3: His game is still evolving, and he's taking damage during

449
00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,360
Speaker 3: the fights. It's not like it was Laddell level where

450
00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,840
Speaker 3: every time he gets touched he's getting stopped. He's fighting

451
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,639
Speaker 3: through damage in a lot of these fights. So I

452
00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,480
Speaker 3: just wonder, Luke, Look, I mean, look for his absolute

453
00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,680
Speaker 3: long term health and safety. You're forty, you've accomplished almost

454
00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,159
Speaker 3: everything but a UFC title. You're a legend, you're a

455
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,400
Speaker 3: Hall of famer. Should he walk away now? And and

456
00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,600
Speaker 3: you know, keep the house, keep the money he's got

457
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,160
Speaker 3: left and all, you know, keep all, Yes, but when

458
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,639
Speaker 3: you're not showing obvious signs that you're done.

459
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Speaker 4: There are some Keith Richards in this world, Luke.

460
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:03,879
Speaker 3: You know, the guitarist from the Rolling Stones, the guy

461
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 3: who probably did more drugs than everybody combined and probably

462
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 3: still doing them now. It looks fantastic, Luke. There are

463
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,719
Speaker 3: just I mean, we are all built differently. There are

464
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,560
Speaker 3: just you know, it's it's it's hard, like I look

465
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,520
Speaker 3: at a showgun Hua, Okay, it was hard watching him.

466
00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,240
Speaker 2: Dude, that guy is gonna have and I'll just be

467
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,680
Speaker 2: clear about it, that dude's gonna have severe issues later

468
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 2: in life.

469
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,399
Speaker 3: Well that's what I'm about to say. It was hard

470
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,000
Speaker 3: watching him win fights the last few years, right, he

471
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,440
Speaker 3: had a record of what like five and one going

472
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 3: into his last loss, and you're like, but he took

473
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,920
Speaker 3: an incredible damage and all those fights to eke out

474
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,120
Speaker 3: the I mean, he's just a punching bag in some degree,

475
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 3: although still had you know, some leftover experience and guile

476
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 3: and toughness and all that. I think over him is

477
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 3: in a much better place in terms of his competitive

478
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 3: level in these fights. He's an actual contender, So he

479
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 3: may just end up being one of these guys, Luke,

480
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 3: who just doesn't show the damage, doesn't mean it's not there,

481
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,640
Speaker 3: doesn't mean long term he's not in for a you know,

482
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 3: a wealth of issues down on the road. But we

483
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,639
Speaker 3: are all built a little bit differently, and it is

484
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 3: hard for me, and I'm typically the guy coming on here.

485
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,199
Speaker 3: When Tyron Woodley lost those lifeless fights in a row,

486
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,360
Speaker 3: I'm like, get out, walk away, now do it. You're

487
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 3: not you know, you're not trying as hard as you

488
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,439
Speaker 3: used to. You're a danger to yourself. Over him's not

489
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 3: a danger to himself, Luke. You I mean, look, you're

490
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 3: telling If I told you I could see the future

491
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,360
Speaker 3: and in the next two years a fighter fell out

492
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 3: and over him ended up with a title shot, you

493
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 3: would not be surprised, Luke, you wouldn't.

494
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Speaker 2: Totainly, I can't. I can't. Who could argue with you

495
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 2: about his competitive ability? You know, there's just there's no

496
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,919
Speaker 2: You're right, it's the argument is clear. He is a

497
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 2: very competitive fighter. Let me just do this exercise with

498
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 2: you real quick. Let him about to read you are

499
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 2: his knockout or TKO stoppages from from not obviously from

500
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 2: you know, ref intervention or uh with an injury or

501
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 2: something or or a submission. These are just from punches strikes.

502
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 2: In any case, this does not include any damage she

503
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 2: took and wins like the Walt Harris fight, and so

504
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 2: he doesn't include any damage she took in sporting. But

505
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 2: I want you to go through this year for just

506
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 2: a second. He has been tko by Errol Paris. He

507
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 2: has been kaoed by Glabe Fetoso. This is just kickboxing.

508
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 2: He has been tko by Batter Harry. Then you go

509
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 2: over to m m A all the way back, starting

510
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 2: in the year two thousand. He got KOed by Bobby Hoffman.

511
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 2: He got KOed in two thousand and three by Chuck Ledell.

512
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 2: He got tkoed in two thousand and five by Showgun.

513
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 2: Then he got tkoed by j Jerio Noghera. Then he

514
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 2: got tkoed by Arona, tko again by Marie excuse me,

515
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 2: kot again by Mauricio. Then he got kot again by

516
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 2: sergeyhatanov One in a crazy winning streak, got KOed by

517
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 2: Bigfoot Silva, ko by Travis Brown, tko by Ben Rothwell,

518
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 2: KOed by step Amochic ko by Francis tko with elbows

519
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 2: to Curtis blades he had the lost to Rosenstruck, which

520
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 2: wasn't his worst one ever, and then he had the

521
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 2: TKO lost a Volkov. Dude, I'm I'm sorry, Like it's

522
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 2: it is perfectly rational for someone to look at this

523
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 2: and say, dude, that is that is a I mean,

524
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know if I've ever seen a

525
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 2: resume with that kind of damage over that amount of

526
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 2: time and someone still be that good. He is the

527
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 2: iron man of all ironmn at the elite level. But

528
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 2: that is a worrying BC, a worrying amount of damage.

529
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're damn right, but again, when you don't show

530
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 3: the results of it, some guys would take would have

531
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 3: had two of those devastating knockouts Luke and never been

532
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 3: the same.

533
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Speaker 4: We've seen it, right, I mean, good God, the.

534
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 3: Knockout loss to and Ganhu alone, Luke should have just

535
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 3: crushed him mentally where he wouldn't even be able to

536
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 3: get back in there and figure out how to have

537
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 3: the confidence to fight like that again.

538
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 4: Yet here he is.

539
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 3: Again. He may be a special figure, a special case

540
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 3: in that regard doesn't mean there's not going to be

541
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 3: end all problems, but we make unfortunately short term decisions

542
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 3: all the time in the fight game. In not thinking

543
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 3: about the long term reason. I think that's how you

544
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 3: sign up to be a fighter in the first case, Luke,

545
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 3: you're thinking short term, you're thinking prize, you're thinking championship,

546
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 3: you're thinking money out, you know, fame and all that.

547
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 3: That's the game we're in. So it's hard to say

548
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 3: because you've had this, you can't fight it anymore. The

549
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 3: guy's probably the you know, fifth best heavyweight.

550
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I don't know if a commission's in

551
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 2: a place to tell him no. The question we asked

552
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 2: and when we're debating, is should he retire? I'm just saying,

553
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 2: if you are reflecting upon your own future of life,

554
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 2: you know you have some serious questions to ask yourself

555
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 2: when you have that much of a resume of damage.

556
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 2: That's all.

557
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's fair, that's fair, Luke.

558
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about the winning side of things

559
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: for some of our younger fighters. Wow, BC, what do

560
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 2: you want to say about Corey Sandhagen. I mean, that

561
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 2: was amazing. In less than thirty seconds, steers him into

562
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 2: the direction he wanted him to go, and then completely

563
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 2: iced him within the walk off. No additional shots necessary.

564
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 2: Frankie Edgar doesn't get iced. Even the Ortega fight was

565
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 2: not like this. There are some meaningful differences between them.

566
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 2: Cory Sandhagen did to Frankie Edgar? What does it happen

567
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 2: to Frankie Edgar? What can you say about Cordy Sandhagen

568
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 2: and what this does for his stock and now his

569
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 2: overall reputation in this division.

570
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 3: Like after he did some you know, almost the same

571
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 3: thing to Marlon Norice, we were like, he's a he's

572
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 3: a legitimate problem for anybody in this absolutely loaded one

573
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 3: hundred and thirty.

574
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 4: Five pound division.

575
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 3: Now that he does it again, and to your point,

576
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 3: a guy that it doesn't happen to, he's beyond that.

577
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 3: I mean, it's his time to figure out how great

578
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 3: he can be. And you know, I tweeted that and.

579
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 4: Some people are like, dude, what about the al Jo fight?

580
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:30,959
Speaker 4: What do you just forget that ever happened?

581
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 3: No, he needed it. He needed that al Jo lost Luke.

582
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,479
Speaker 3: He needed to go out there and a number one

583
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 3: contender fight between two prime guys and lea fat Egg

584
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 3: gets submitted early, get completely dominated and really just humbled,

585
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 3: and it unlocked something that is becoming really special. He

586
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 3: has so many ways to win a fight. You can tell,

587
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 3: like Q wise, he's just a half step ahead of

588
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 3: his opponents. Luke, I want to read you the quotes

589
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,479
Speaker 3: he had Afterwards, UFC sends him out to media members.

590
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 3: Typically these quotes are, you know, not filled with much substance.

591
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 3: But check this out quote. I know how to put

592
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 3: myself in a place for war. Before it was about

593
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 3: being artistic. Go be technical, beautiful and make fighting look cool.

594
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 3: But it's not that anymore. It's hurt the person in

595
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 3: a really smart way and make sure I'm going home safe.

596
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 3: I'm not an arrogant guy. But if there's one thing

597
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 3: I know about myself, it's that I can't adapt. I

598
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 3: can change my mind. Whatever I need to do in

599
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 3: order to survive, I'll do it. I take that with

600
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 3: me everywhere in life. In this sport, I need to

601
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 3: be nasty. I wasn't that before. Now I am, and

602
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 3: now I'm knocking people out. End quote, Luke, you can

603
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 3: hear it in those words. He flipped that switch right.

604
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 3: Some people think I'm a little bit too artsy in

605
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 3: this show.

606
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:43,719
Speaker 4: I'm a little bit too artistic.

607
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 3: Hey, b C. It's fun and games right, wear the

608
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 3: funny T shirts and act like an a hole and

609
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 3: drop nineties lyrics and give us jokes.

610
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 4: But what we really.

611
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 3: Want at the end of the day is you punch

612
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 3: us in the eyes with some good ass analysis and

613
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 3: passion and feeling.

614
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 4: That's what san Haagen realized.

615
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 3: Luke, you can be that you see guy who can

616
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 3: you know, have the crazy movement and submit you from

617
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 3: crazy angles and all that, or you can figure out

618
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 3: the most efficient way to get your opponents out of there.

619
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 3: The fact that san Haagan seems to have done that

620
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 3: makes him a freaking scary ass out for anyone from

621
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 3: Sterling to Yan, to Dyla Shaw to whoever else gets in.

622
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 4: Front of him.

623
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 3: Because Luke, we don't know how great he can be.

624
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 3: Some of these other guys, we got a pretty good feeling, right.

625
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 3: We may not have seen the best of Paotra Yan yet,

626
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 3: who looks like a complete killer, but I feel like

627
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 3: we know how great he can be. Somebody like Sanagan,

628
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 3: because he's a little bit abstract, can do some different

629
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 3: things when you add a killer instinct to that and

630
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 3: in a in a focus on finishing people. Dude, I

631
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 3: don't know this guy could be your champion for a

632
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 3: long time. He's starting to look like that type of guy.

633
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, here's the one thing we talked about

634
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: on Friday BC. This will hinge on whether or you know,

635
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: head on Friday Show we said the fight will hinge

636
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: on whether not Edgar can either establish the takedown or

637
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,479
Speaker 2: a reasonable takedown threat. Didn't really get an opportunity to

638
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 2: witness that. So to me, it's like, I want to

639
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: be very clear here, since the Al Joe fight, he

640
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 2: has not faced anyone who could put the pressure on

641
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: him like Al Joe in terms of, you know, a

642
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 2: significant takedown threat in the sense that maybe Edgar could

643
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: get kind of close ish or something. But you know,

644
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: he didn't get the chance. But here, here's my point.

645
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: You haven't seen him audited in that sense yet. You

646
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 2: have not seen him re examined, like you know, that

647
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 2: thirty percent takedown defense rate. Where where is it? Truly?

648
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: Where does it lie? Okay, so there's still a bit

649
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: of a mystery there. But to your point, BC, I

650
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 2: am not so much worried about what the answer will

651
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: be for mister san Hagen. I think that this is

652
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 2: a incredibly, incredibly special fighter. This is a guy who

653
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: is levels ahead of his competition, certainly on the feet,

654
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: understanding all the McCanns of how he needs to move

655
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 2: where what people's tendencies will be. You're talking next level

656
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: fight IQ. I'm told by the way, you know, by

657
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 2: folks who train with him and know him well. You

658
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 2: know he doesn't no booze, no, you know, he's not

659
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 2: out there womanizing. I mean, this guy lives a you know,

660
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 2: monastic existence all focused around this. And then you're adding

661
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 2: what you brought up youc which I thought was a

662
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 2: great point, which was before you know, it was little

663
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: artsy fartsy, the way he was fighting. I'm gonna stance switch,

664
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna beat you this way, I'm gonnadazzle you that way. Okay,

665
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 2: that's fine for a certain time, but al Jamin Sterling

666
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 2: doesn't have time for none of that. And there's gonna

667
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 2: be other guys that don't have time for that. You

668
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 2: can't fight them that way. It won't work. But if

669
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 2: you can draw in a certain degree of sadism, quite frankly,

670
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 2: and then apply all of that brain power and all

671
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 2: of that art in a sadistic strategic direction, dude, you

672
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: are seeing the results of that no one, even in

673
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: his advance age, no one has done that to Frankie.

674
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: Brian Roteka got pretty close, but even that wasn't the same.

675
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: This was utterly shocking. And dude, I hope Frank Jeger,

676
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 2: we'll talk about him in just a second. I hope

677
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: he's okay. That was when someone makes you reimagine what

678
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 2: is possible, not merely by virtue of them showing more

679
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,959
Speaker 2: of themself, but then doing it against a known competitor,

680
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 2: that is that is something special. I think this guy

681
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: will eventually wear a belt around his waist, not saying

682
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 2: Al Jamain won't. We'll have to see, you know, but

683
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 2: I think at some point in his existence in this

684
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: bantamweight division, that guy's going to be a champion and

685
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 2: it should not be surprising anybody when he does.

686
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 3: And I think to do to win this impressively at

687
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 3: the division where it stands right now, Look the next

688
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, then we've said this about lightweight

689
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 3: the last few years, we're starting to say this about

690
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 3: bantam weight. Now the next few years are going to

691
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 3: be some killer fights when Jon Sterling, Sanhagen, Dila Shaw,

692
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 3: maybe a returning Henry Suhudo, all kind of round robing

693
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 3: each other. I mean, you know, we can end up

694
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 3: with three Sterling San Haagan fights. I'm not sure if

695
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 3: this is gonna be a a hot potato belt like

696
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 3: the Great Light Heavyweight division of the you know, Rashad

697
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 3: Evans era of passing it one to another until John

698
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 3: Jones came around. I'm not sure if one of these

699
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 3: guys are the John Jones of this group. But I

700
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 3: echo what you're saying. I feel like san Haagan's gonna

701
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 3: wear it eventually, if that might be sooner, maybe a

702
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 3: little bit later, But damn, Luke, I mean, look, this

703
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 3: is so eye opening that I wonder if you sit

704
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 3: home at night and go maybe maybe BC should follow this.

705
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 3: Where could morning combat be if BC ditched the art

706
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 3: a little bit and when focused more on killing the competition,

707
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 3: on crushing them, on saying nobody does what we do

708
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 3: here at MK, I don't think I'll care that you're Canadian.

709
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 4: Nobody does what we do here.

710
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 3: All right, we will stomp you, We will stomp your show. Okay, look,

711
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 3: this is a wake up call for me too. Okay

712
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 3: the Sandman right, all right, all right, BC, We're not

713
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 3: too far apart in this ideal, Luke, this year is

714
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 3: going to be massive for Morning Combat. Okay, it may

715
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 3: have taken Frank Edgar's soul to get there, but Luke,

716
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 3: I'm ready.

717
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 4: I'm ready, brother.

718
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: Right, serious analysis works on this show, BC. It's why

719
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 2: Dissected is the most popular thing we've ever done. Right,

720
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: just consider that for a reason.

721
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 3: Too bad, it's too bad.

722
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 2: It's yeah, late term abortion, it has it has been

723
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 2: killed off. Okay, but to the point, you know, I

724
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: don't even care what's next. If he ends up fighting Yan,

725
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: that'll be an incredible fight. If he ends up getting

726
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 2: the rematch against Sterling, you know, that'll be the great

727
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: test to see did he learn the lesson? Not really mentally, BC,

728
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: but as he worked on any of his skills as

729
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 2: well to make sure that kind of thing doesn't happen again. Remember,

730
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 2: he still does have, at least on the books a

731
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: thirty takedown defensive rate, so that will need to be

732
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: something that's addressed down the line. Now, look, what do.

733
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 3: They do well before you get to Frank Yegar, real quick,

734
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 3: what are we gonna do with Dila Shaw because you

735
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 3: already have san Haagan. I think making the right call

736
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: publicly and being like, that's just not fair. If Dila

737
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 3: Shaw cuts me in line and takes the winner of

738
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 3: yon Sterling, what do you think is gonna happen? What

739
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 3: is fair in this case? Because this is a unique

740
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 3: situation with dilis.

741
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. I mean, to me, this guy's the

742
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 2: number one contender, that being Cory Sandhagen write no doubt

743
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 2: about it to me, and I think we talked about

744
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: this on this show. TJ. Dillashaw versus Jose Aldo to

745
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: me is just perfect because Aldo, like Overream, you know,

746
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 2: a little bit longer in the tooth, not as old

747
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 2: as Oveream, but you know, relatively speaking sort of, you know,

748
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 2: an elder statesman of his in the twilight ish of

749
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 2: his career, let's put it that way, but still very

750
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 2: much competitive and maybe not the best though, right because

751
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 2: I don't think you could argue he's the best bansom weight,

752
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 2: but he's a very very very good bansom weight. Let's

753
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 2: see where what's see where TJ. Delashaw is because Aldo

754
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: will be a fantastic test, great takedown defense, very different styles.

755
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: You know you're gonna have a mover and a shaker

756
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 2: and a shimmier in somebody like TJ. Delashaw. You're got

757
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 2: a little bit more flat footed hardley, kicking, punching, very athletic,

758
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 2: still very quick in Muay thaish kind of Jose Aldo,

759
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,439
Speaker 2: and it's a great test. It's the same kind of thing.

760
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: If you can beat Aldo, you are right back in

761
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 2: the thick of things. If you can't, you've got some

762
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: adjustments to do. Cody Garbrand still on ice, at least

763
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: for the time being. I love that fight, PC. Do

764
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 2: you have a better idea?

765
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 3: I don't feel like Deyla Shaw should come back and

766
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 3: fight for the title. I mean, the San Jagan fight

767
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 3: would be incredible, but I think I'm I like the

768
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 3: idea more of freshening TJ up with with an older name.

769
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 3: I mean, look, even if it was a dominant Cruise rematch,

770
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 3: I know Cruise got a fight coming up against Casey Kenny,

771
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 3: but I like going that route more. I think Sanagan

772
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 3: has has locked up the next in line. It's all

773
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 3: gonna depend on on, you know, how how short it

774
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 3: takes to get to that meaning is there gonna's gonna

775
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 3: be a clear ending to to to Jan and Sterling

776
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 3: and uh. If so, let's do the San Jagan fight

777
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 3: next Luke, they're on almost the same time schedule.

778
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 4: All right, let's do it.

779
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree totally. All right, so that does take

780
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 2: us out of Frankie Edgar. And this is a you know,

781
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 2: it's a similar kind of conversation about about Alistair. You

782
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: have a guy Alista I think forty forty one. You

783
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 2: have Frankie Edgar I think thirty nine, so not too

784
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 2: far apart in age. You have a case here where

785
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 2: he is going to another a third division over him

786
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 2: has kind of been a heavyweight for a while, but

787
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,720
Speaker 2: you know, you get the idea the guy who thought

788
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 2: originally a light heavyweight, so there's been a weight class

789
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 2: change there now.

790
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 4: He did beat.

791
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 2: Pedro Muno's and he was very competitive. Even if you

792
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 2: think Muno's one, you would think that that was still

793
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 2: a very very close fight. I think I did score

794
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: for Muno's, but I can't complain. So okay, competitive against

795
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 2: a top five ish kind of guy. And then he

796
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 2: goes up there and he suffers this loss, and which

797
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 2: is he's never suffered a loss like this before. Again,

798
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 2: Ortego one was pretty close, but not this bad. Should

799
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 2: he retire? BC? What do you make of the state

800
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: of Frankie Edgar.

801
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 3: I don't think he should have to retire if he

802
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 3: doesn't want to, but I think it's time to keep.

803
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 4: A very very close eye.

804
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 3: Obviously, he's fighting as tough a competition as you could

805
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 3: throughout his whole career, in specifically right now in this

806
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 3: window of trying to make things work at bantamweight. I

807
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 3: think it's I mean, I think this was clear Luke

808
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 3: that it's over for the idea of him fighting for

809
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 3: a title, but he still has a name, and he's

810
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 3: still so damn good that if you wanted, you know,

811
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 3: if you're frank Edgar and you still want to be

812
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 3: a you know, a name and a main event player.

813
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 3: This division is so overloaded with all kinds of different names.

814
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I'd love to see him against Dom Cruse.

815
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 3: I'd love to see a third fight with Josialdo at

816
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 3: bantam weight.

817
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 4: I'd love to see him.

818
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 2: What on earth is the appeal of a third Josie

819
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 2: Aldo fight?

820
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 3: Okay, I wouldn't put it as my first one, but

821
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 3: if if we're, you know, six months from now, and

822
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 3: they're both coming off losses, and that's just sort of

823
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 3: a fun ass fight night main event That's what I'm

824
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 3: talking about. If he wants to play out the string

825
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 3: of the combination of his name and the fact that

826
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 3: he still is really damn good, that's fine, But I

827
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 3: think I may bee or no, I know, I am.

828
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 3: I'm done seeing him against the super elite where you're

829
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 3: chasing a title shot. Luke, Uh, there's still some left

830
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 3: in the tank. It's obvious if he had another there

831
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 3: knockout loss even close to this, you'd say, Okay, that's it.

832
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 4: We had a great run. It's it.

833
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 3: But I think there is a small window, if match

834
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 3: maked carefully, where we can still celebrate the legend. He

835
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 3: could still make money and be a headliner, and we

836
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 3: can make some fun fights, because not only does this

837
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 3: division have that unbelievable what you know depth at the

838
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 3: top of it, the depth the rest of the way

839
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 3: with a lot of these names is still pretty damn

840
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 3: fun too. So I mean, look, would you hate Frank

841
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 3: Edgar against Cody Garbrant.

842
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. You know. It's the same with Overream.

843
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 2: It's like in overim if Tommy was beating Rosenstrike and

844
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 2: Rosenstrike is sitting at three, So you could make a

845
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 2: claim that he could be somewhere still in that top

846
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 2: three space. You cannot make that claim for Edgar because

847
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 2: you would have a match. You would imagine that he

848
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 2: would not be able to get it done against al Joe,

849
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 2: and you know, if Aldo couldn't get it done against

850
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: Peter Yon, it's hard to know exactly what Edgar would

851
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 2: offer in that particular circumstance. So to me, he's outside

852
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 2: that top three that doesn't even include Dilla Shaw or

853
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 2: you know, Garbrandt there space right, So you might be

854
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 2: even outside top five depending on how you shake things out.

855
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 2: But to me, it's like, you know, what is this

856
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 2: in service of? You know, to me, overhim saying I

857
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 2: want to give it one more go and get back

858
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 2: to the gym. You lost to Volkov. You know, you've

859
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 2: had a style where you've been knocked down and you've

860
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: been coming back for a long time. It's in some

861
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 2: ways you didn't see anything new positive. You didn't see

862
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 2: anything You didn't learn anything about Overheim in the Volkov

863
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: fight that you didn't kind of already know a little bit.

864
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 2: Maybe we're uncertain about his level. Could he beat Volkov?

865
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 2: Could he not? But like in terms of how he

866
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 2: reacted and how he fought. Yeah, that's kind of the

867
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 2: over him you've been getting for a little bit, for

868
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 2: better or for worse, Edgar is now breaching new territory.

869
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 2: I mean, that's sort of the problem here. This was

870
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 2: a guy who stood up to the punches of Gray

871
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 2: Maynard and maybe that Frankie, if he was fighting this fresh,

872
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: wouldn't have been knocked out by this shot. I don't know,

873
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: but you have to wonder about that, and then all

874
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,959
Speaker 2: of the additional damage and how it's gotten a little

875
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 2: bit closer than Ortega put him in a way that

876
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 2: no one had and now it's even worse, I mean,

877
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 2: get completely iced inside of thirty seconds by this guy

878
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 2: who's got this complete I mean totally modern approach to

879
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 2: striking that you know, Edgar has been competitive for so

880
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: long BC because he had a style that was kind

881
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 2: of future proof. You know, he had a way in

882
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 2: which he could operate that would set him up for longevity.

883
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 2: And that still isn't enough to tangle with somebody like

884
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 2: Cory Sandhagan. So the question that really, I think anyone

885
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 2: who cares about Edgar, and there's a lot of people

886
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 2: that I'm sure that do, is what is this in

887
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 2: service of Why would you take damage like this unless

888
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,919
Speaker 2: you are in service of something that kind of made

889
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 2: it understandable. If the idea is bantamweight title shot, this

890
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 2: is not defensible because it's not going to happen. It's

891
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 2: not it's just not going to happen. And if it

892
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 2: try to get closer, you may take really serious damage. Yeah,

893
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 2: the retired fucking let me visual real quickly on turner back.

894
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 2: That was a very bad knockout. So if you can

895
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 2: do the Rich Franklin thing where you just want to

896
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: be in competitive, big fights, I think that's a differ

897
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 2: for conversation. If you're chasing something that is unattainable for

898
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 2: this kind of damage, a recalibration is in order.

899
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, you're right. The title chasing is done. I mean,

900
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 3: let's not forget the first round stoppage loss against Korean

901
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 3: Zombie too, which the picture just showed.

902
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 4: We're done on that regard.

903
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 3: You begin the retirement plan, which is exactly what you said,

904
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 3: the Rich Franklin plan. He can float across three divisions

905
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 3: really right now, I Frankie Edgar can. So let's make smart,

906
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 3: fun old guy fights that don't put him in position

907
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 3: to take a lot of damage. But if he does

908
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 3: take damage again, that's it. Like you know, you've been

909
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 3: You've been here, We love you. Like there's no reason

910
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 3: to go on anymore.

911
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 4: Let's do it.

912
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 2: The dude. The dude is going to be in the

913
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. He was a UFC champion. I know

914
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: he's looking for another belt, and I know he has

915
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 2: been for a long time, and he has worked harder

916
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 2: than maybe just about anybody. Nobody dislikes Frankie Edgar. Nobody

917
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 2: thinks he's a bad guy. You've just never heard a

918
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 2: bad word about him, and I don't want to say one,

919
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 2: and we never will. You know, we owe much of

920
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 2: our fandom to this guy. But what I don't want

921
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 2: to see is that happen again for a goal of

922
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: you just Acharus flying too close to the sun. I

923
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 2: don't think we can stomach that. I don't want to

924
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 2: see this happen to a cherished figure. I don't want

925
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 2: to see happening any of these fighters, really, but especially

926
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 2: somebody who has done this much for the sport and

927
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 2: has already been this accomplished. You know he's not some scrub.

928
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 2: This guy has done, as I mentioned, Hall of fame

929
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 2: worthy things. It was hard to watch, dude. Didn't you

930
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 2: feel like a sense of dread watching him fall like

931
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 2: a mannequin? It did? Something felt off about it. It

932
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 2: felt not that I was mad at Cory Sanhagen, but

933
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 2: it felt troubling.

934
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, Cory Sanahaangan, to his credit, really didn't

935
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 3: celebrate it at all and said, you know, you know, yeah,

936
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 3: better him than me.

937
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 4: But that was really hard to watch.

938
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 3: You know, obviously he has as much respect for Frankie

939
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 3: as as we do, if not more, being a fighter himself.

940
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 3: So because of Sanagan's sort of next levelness, it's hard

941
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 3: to pinpoint this on. Frankie's now got a bad chin.

942
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 3: He's a detriment to himself. That's where I think he

943
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 3: gets the past for like, let's change lanes, let's let's

944
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 3: let's set an end date. But you know, I'm not

945
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 3: going to tell him to stop now. If he wants

946
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 3: to go out on his own terms, I mean, look,

947
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 3: that does seem to matter. If you've got something left

948
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 3: in the tank and you found your ceiling, I feel

949
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 3: like you should be allowed to go out on your

950
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 3: own terms.

951
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that's I think that's right. It's

952
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: what I just don't want to hear, is you know

953
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 2: I'm still chasing that title. It's like, no, you know

954
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 2: they're gonna match you up with hammers yea. And yeah,

955
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: I'm not saying, by the way, I'm not saying Frankie

956
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 2: has a bat shit do. That shot would have laid

957
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 2: out just about anybody in that weight class.

958
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 4: Vicious. That was a vicious shot.

959
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 2: Look, and he didn't see it coming in the way

960
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:42,919
Speaker 2: it was set up, and he was he got super

961
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 2: vertical with it, like you know, everything was crazy about it.

962
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 2: But you know, you do have to wonder, is the

963
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 2: guy who withstood everything from Gray Maynard? You know, is

964
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 2: that level of sturdiness still around. I questioned that, and

965
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 2: I don't think that's crazy to do. He's did a

966
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 2: ton of abuse over the years. Eventually, do that bill

967
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 2: comes due for everybody, including legends that we revere and

968
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 2: adore and who are facilitators of our own fandom. The

969
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 2: bill comes fucking do.

970
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 4: The same for you in your diet, Luke right.

971
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: Yes, wink up, certainly true, certainly true, all right, BC.

972
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 2: That takes us speaking of diets and Cumberland farms and

973
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: the hot dog end of things. Let's get now to

974
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 2: point number five. So the BKFC was over the weekend

975
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 2: knucklemania as we had a lot of fun talking about

976
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 2: and sure enough, did I not say on Friday ABC?

977
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 2: Is anyone going to be surprised if Paige Van's ant loses? Like,

978
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 2: is that gonna somehow shock the world? Sure enough? She did.

979
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: In fact, you know, you could somewhat if you want

980
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 2: to fudge it a little bit, you could argue that

981
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: the Malanaji and our arts and lobol fight you knows,

982
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 2: back and forth close ish kind of a thing if

983
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 2: you really wanted to say that this was inarguable. I mean,

984
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 2: what did Page went around? Like the last one that

985
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 2: was really about it? Your thoughts? What what went wrong

986
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 2: for Page? And how much damage does this due to her? Stock?

987
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 2: Bc BC making it look easy? Do you forget we're

988
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 2: doing a show? Where's BC gaff there? He is BC

989
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 2: making it look easy? Are you back, Brian?

990
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 3: I'm back, Luke. You all got that McDonald's Wi fi

991
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 3: around here?

992
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 4: I'm back Luke?

993
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 2: Okay? All right? Uh? Your thoughts if Page vans at uh?

994
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 3: This was this was a disastrous dabut all right? Not

995
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 3: disastrous a knockout with with a with a with a

996
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 3: giant caught a stoppage would have been disastrous. This was

997
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 3: a fun ass fight.

998
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 4: Let's give me a KFC credit, Luke.

999
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 3: We look at it for a reason as the last

1000
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 3: stop in a lot of ways in people's combat sports careers.

1001
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 3: Chris Leeban one of them who will get you later

1002
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 3: in the show. But uh, David Feldman, the President, did

1003
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 3: come out afterwards and say, you know, we leveled up

1004
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 3: this time. This was a great event, and in a

1005
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 3: lot of ways, it was a great event for them.

1006
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 3: Look it is it always is gonna be sort of

1007
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 3: like the circus, the gas station hot Dog. But it's

1008
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 3: pretty damn fun. And I think this main event delivered

1009
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 3: from the standpoint of competitiveness action, So it's not a

1010
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 3: full on disastrous loss for Page.

1011
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 4: Had she been stopped or had she been inept or

1012
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 4: cut open.

1013
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 3: Her response in that final round was actually pretty strong.

1014
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 3: She figured out how to adjust to what this sport

1015
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 3: really is. She landed heavy shots. But I think rightfully

1016
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 3: she lost this fight five rounds two minutes per round.

1017
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 4: She lost this.

1018
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 3: Fight four to one, even if we're being honest here,

1019
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 3: So it's disastrous that they paid a ton of money

1020
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 3: for her and this was the response.

1021
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 4: But I do have to tip the hat to BKFC.

1022
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 3: They had a good weekend they put They put this up,

1023
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 3: you know, the same weekend as the Super Bowl and

1024
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 3: more or less the same location. A lot of celebrities

1025
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 3: ringside Shack along with coach Littori and Mike Perry. I mean,

1026
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 3: Shaq's talking about investing in this. This was pretty good.

1027
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 3: I think they can survive this page loss, meaning the

1028
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 3: investment they put in, because it was competitive, because you

1029
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 3: do have a storyline for a rematch. But most importantly, Luke,

1030
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 3: because we just found a combat sports hero in the

1031
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 3: in the Great Britain Heart Luke, I never knew I

1032
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 3: needed this feeling so badly. I'm hooked on a feeling

1033
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 3: that is Britain. Hart. Can we just cut the analysis

1034
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 3: in the reaction gaff in our in our.

1035
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: In our said, you said this would be life changing?

1036
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 2: Is this living up to this amazing for you?

1037
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 5: Yeah? It's a big as you making it. This is

1038
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 5: this is I'm the person I love she was, I

1039
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 5: know what I mean, because she was a pretty girl.

1040
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 3: I could break the limits.

1041
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 2: I'm not a person.

1042
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 3: Though I'm not.

1043
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 5: I'm fucking feeling and all of you guys are gonna

1044
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 5: feel it.

1045
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 3: Look, Luke, I'm fucking feeling it right now, Luke, all right,

1046
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 3: all right, I feel like.

1047
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 2: We just see, don't fear me, fear the consequences, you understand.

1048
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 3: I feel like we just dropped edibles. We're like, are

1049
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 3: you feeling it? My feeling? I'm feeling it, Britt Luke,

1050
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 3: she won the weekend. The weekend, did not win the weekend.

1051
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,760
Speaker 3: At the super Bowl halftime show, I think Tom Brady

1052
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 3: and Britt Hart won the damn Britt the hit man

1053
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 3: heart here. Uh no, seriously, that was a ten out

1054
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 3: of ten in both hilariousness and uh kind of disturbing.

1055
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 4: But she kind of won the weekend.

1056
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 3: BKFC developed a quasi new star, somebody who will be

1057
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 3: appearing on Morning Combat later today. Oh by the way,

1058
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 3: and I came out of this pay per view entertained,

1059
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 3: So shout out to them the question I have that

1060
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 3: I want to kind of spin back on you. And look,

1061
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 3: we've been critical of Page van Zant a lot. Can

1062
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 3: she bounce back from this? Before I get your take here?

1063
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 3: Van Zant didn't talk afterwards. Skip the post fight press conference,

1064
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 3: didn't get interviewed in the ring, almost had a rousy

1065
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 3: in reaction. In fact, gaff, we've got one more bit

1066
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 3: of sound.

1067
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 4: Can we throw to that right now?

1068
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 6: Please someone that you need to tell now that Pages

1069
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 6: an coming back from her and do her obligations.

1070
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 3: Look, she never came back from the fucking hotel. She

1071
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 3: didn't do her obligations. What she did was post an

1072
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 3: Instagram post on early Monday talking about the loss, saying

1073
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 3: that initially afterwards she went to her husband, fell it

1074
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 3: to her Middleway Austin Vanderford, and said I quit.

1075
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 4: You know, I'm never gonna fight again.

1076
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 3: She since walk that back and recalibrated. But does her

1077
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 3: reaction to this loss and the loss itself trouble your

1078
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 3: belief of Page's fighting future.

1079
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 2: I have to tell you I'm not especially invested in

1080
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,959
Speaker 2: it one way or the other, just to be clear

1081
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 2: about that. So do I like, how much does this

1082
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 2: damage it in a sense how much she wants it

1083
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 2: to in a sense like one of the lessons.

1084
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 7: And I.

1085
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 2: Thought after and this is a very different scenario, but

1086
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 2: I thought after Kimbo lost to Seth Betrozzelli that there

1087
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 2: would be a bubble that was popped. And when that

1088
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 2: bubble popped, I wrote a column on Shirtdog, which I

1089
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 2: now you know, look back on not so favorably. But

1090
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 2: I thought that, you know, this would be the evidence

1091
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 2: that folks you just didn't understand that this guy could

1092
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 2: not fight at a high level, and they would move on.

1093
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 2: And what you begin to realize is that's really not

1094
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: what Kimbo's appeal was. Yes, you know, just losing constantly

1095
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 2: would have been bad, but really people were attached to Kimbo.

1096
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 2: They were attached to his personality, to his story, you know,

1097
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 2: and he couldn't fight at the highest level. And I

1098
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 2: think in the end most of his fans knew that.

1099
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 2: But I just wanted to see a guy go out

1100
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 2: there and do his thing and you know, get a

1101
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 2: w if he could against an opponent that made enough

1102
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 2: sense and then intrigued enough attention, sort of like playing

1103
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 2: the levels there a little bit. You know. I think

1104
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 2: I'm not saying Paige van Zant has sunk to a

1105
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 2: level where she is indistinguishable, you know, from sort of

1106
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 2: Kimbo Slic's level of fighting skill. What I'm saying is

1107
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 2: if she wanted I really I said this at the

1108
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 2: time she left UFC, I thought she'd made much more

1109
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 2: sense signing with a Scott Koker who understands how to

1110
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: star build, who takes a bit of a boxing approach,

1111
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 2: you know sometimes with people who need that kind of nurturing.

1112
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 2: She probably would have, you know, got in front of

1113
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 2: her skis at some point and lost. But do are

1114
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 2: people who like Paige van Zan? Are they just going

1115
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 2: to abandon ship now because she lost this? No, However,

1116
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 2: if you don't learn the lesson from this, which is

1117
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 2: if you don't have a I mean, I'm not saying

1118
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 2: that David Filman did her dirty. I think David Filman

1119
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 2: probably thought she could win. But if you're not dialed

1120
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 2: into what the task is and what your appeal is

1121
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 2: all the ways you can manipulate that and booy it

1122
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 2: over time, you can erode that. And something like this

1123
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 2: can potentially erode that. So if I'm her and I'm

1124
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 2: her team, I'm rethinking what the fuck we're doing here?

1125
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 2: I would get with a promoter who could Again, what

1126
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 2: were her skills? She could? She was you know, a

1127
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 2: sort of a two cats in a bag going crazy, right,

1128
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 2: and just you need a sport that caters to that.

1129
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 2: You need an opponent who you can at least to

1130
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 2: get right beat that you know she can beat somebody

1131
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 2: who's in front of her and then begin to build

1132
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 2: her brand a little bit. I think this was not

1133
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 2: in service of her brand or why people are interested

1134
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 2: in seeing her. They need to fix that.

1135
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, BKFC, it's weird.

1136
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 3: They really benefited, I feel from this because it was

1137
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 3: a competitive loss. Because you can build off of this,

1138
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 3: you can do a rematch. I was concerned when Page

1139
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 3: didn't talk afterwards.

1140
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 4: I was concerned to.

1141
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 3: Hear on her own Instagram that she, you know, was

1142
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 3: embarrassed enough to want to quit fighting right there. That

1143
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 3: don't sound too good, but Luca could have been incredible

1144
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 3: disastrous in other ways, like we mentioned knockout, getting really cut.

1145
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 3: Here's what's interesting is you said about the matchmaking. I

1146
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 3: don't feel they did or dirty, but there's an element

1147
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 3: of BKFC for those that choose to do it, whether

1148
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 3: they're choosing it out of desperation, which is largely what

1149
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 3: we've seen from MMA guys who have nowhere else to go, right.

1150
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 3: We've seen Hector, Lombard, Diago, Alphas's seen some names and

1151
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 3: that we know but they kind of don't have anywhere

1152
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 3: else to go. Is that I don't really Here's the

1153
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,240
Speaker 3: thing about PKFC, Luke, I don't really love the action

1154
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 3: and the sport itself so much. So I like some

1155
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 3: of the wild brutality and the blood. I don't hate it.

1156
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 3: I kind of love just the whole circus atmosphere around it,

1157
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 3: the quasi WWE type interviews, the characters that we see,

1158
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 3: and most importantly that if you choose to sign up

1159
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 3: and do this which page did, it kind of levels

1160
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 3: the playing field because of the way the sport is.

1161
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 3: You can't go full flush into power on all the

1162
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 3: shots you have to have. You know, boxers don't tend

1163
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 3: to make this transition because it's different than boxing. It's

1164
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 3: a different kind of setup. You can dirty box a

1165
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 3: lot more, you can clinch. But I think even just

1166
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 3: the foundational aspects of how to score and win with this,

1167
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 3: it really can level the playing field for somebody like

1168
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 3: Britton Hart, who coming in kind of had no business,

1169
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 3: you know, winning this fight, has had a you know,

1170
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 3: a more or less a five hundred record as a

1171
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 3: pro boxer, had lost more than she'd won in BKFC.

1172
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 4: Yet the way this sport.

1173
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 3: Is it kind of levels it out between some of

1174
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 3: these caveman barbral and also rans and a legitimate fighting

1175
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 3: you know, experienced expert coming in because the sport's kind

1176
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,399
Speaker 3: of wacky enough where even though I don't really love it,

1177
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 3: I kind of love it, Luke. I think, all in all,

1178
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 3: big win for BKFC, and I think you had the

1179
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 3: best sober analysis here. It could not It could be

1180
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 3: a win for Page if she pivots in the right direction,

1181
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 3: if she learns from this gets better at the craft.

1182
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 3: You can have a rematch here with Britton Hart, You

1183
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 3: can have a fight with Beck Rawlings. There are a

1184
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 3: couple of names you can build off of Humbling just

1185
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 3: the same though, Luke, this wasn't you know what they

1186
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:03,720
Speaker 3: would have wanted.

1187
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 2: You have to ask yourself, like why you lost? You know,

1188
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 2: was it smart to pivot to another fight? And to

1189
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 2: your point, like BKFC is different enough with its rule

1190
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 2: set that you're not gonna go in there and necessarily

1191
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 2: you know, oh, I can just train boxing and I'll

1192
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 2: just go in there and win. It's not boxing. They

1193
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 2: have a day they start closer. The ring space is

1194
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 2: different as unicated, The rules are different, This is an example,

1195
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 2: like one of the things that I don't know if

1196
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 2: this is true anymore. Before a time, I remember some

1197
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 2: of the coaches arguing that some of the ties coming

1198
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 2: over into Glory would have an issue because you can

1199
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 2: only clinch with one hand and you have to like

1200
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 2: so after one shot and then let it go. They

1201
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 2: may have changed the rule since, but that was at

1202
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 2: the time. You could clinch with one hand, land a shot,

1203
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 2: then you have to go. You can not do two

1204
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,359
Speaker 2: hand to clinches, and you couldn't hold it, and they

1205
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 2: were saying that that might have an impact on some

1206
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 2: of the ties who cross over. It's not the same

1207
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 2: because you can call it kickboxing. You can call that kickboxing.

1208
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 2: They're two very different rule sets. There's rugby and there's

1209
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 2: rugby sevens. They're not the same. They're very very different.

1210
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 2: So to me, this is this is kind of what

1211
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 2: you're getting here. I don't I think it's some MMA

1212
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 2: fighters of some descentability and Page has shown some deconability

1213
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 2: along the way that are losing sight of how much

1214
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 2: the rule set and then experience in that rule set,

1215
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 2: even by a fighter who doesn't necessarily impress, you can

1216
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 2: really make a difference in the end that was not

1217
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 2: they did not appear ready for that. She seemed to

1218
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,439
Speaker 2: adjust over time, so maybe a rematch might be in order.

1219
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 2: But you lose that, that's kind of disastrous too. Again,

1220
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 2: it's not like the brand goes away overnight. But you

1221
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 2: got to ask yourself, if you're in this camp, what

1222
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 2: do we do to get right? How do we get right?

1223
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 2: Let's let's let's figure this out. Let's let's get on

1224
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 2: the winning side of things, and then let's pick a

1225
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 2: direction about how we can you know, continue that, you

1226
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,280
Speaker 2: know to the extent possible that some losses are inevitable

1227
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 2: along the way, but just going out there and saying

1228
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter if you lose one or two, no

1229
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 2: even several, But that's not the thing that over time

1230
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 2: booys the brand. Even if passions for celebrated figures like

1231
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 2: this they die hard. You know, it takes a lot

1232
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 2: to make them go away, but they can. You can

1233
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 2: lose a lot by not being careful enough. And I

1234
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 2: don't think that she was careful.

1235
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 4: Enough enough in closing Luke.

1236
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 3: You know a lot of people got moved by what

1237
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 3: Britain Hart did, you know, because it was half inspirational.

1238
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 3: It was half it was half ridiculous. It was half

1239
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 3: troubling in a lot of ways. At see areos wearing

1240
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 3: out her catchphrase already and.

1241
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 4: Trying to ruin it for us?

1242
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 3: But were you? Do you like her? I mean she's

1243
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 3: I feel like she's everybody I went to high school with.

1244
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 3: Maybe that's why I identified quickly there with her. But

1245
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 3: you know, sort of like an ex waitress who kind

1246
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 3: of is tough and went through some trouble in her

1247
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 3: life and kind of figured it out.

1248
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 4: Here's my deal.

1249
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 3: When somebody has a chance to have the moment, no

1250
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 3: matter what the situation is, and they go in there

1251
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 3: and they hit a fricking home run, which she did

1252
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 3: in winning this fight and then nailing that interview, it's

1253
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 3: hard for me not to sort of get on the

1254
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 3: underdog train and feel good for them. Did you and

1255
00:57:53,840 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 3: your highly educationed cultural elitist assholes any room in your

1256
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 3: black and this woman?

1257
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,479
Speaker 2: Wait till he's done talking. Yeah, I think we lost

1258
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 2: him again. He asked me about Brittain Heart. Here's what

1259
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 2: I'll say about Britton Hart. You know, I wasn't super

1260
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 2: invested in this fight in BKFC this time around, I'm

1261
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 2: not super into BKFC generally. I had some concerns about

1262
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 2: the damage you did to faces because of that one fight,

1263
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 2: in particular, the low ball of and uh and uh

1264
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 2: was that Jason Young. I forget the hic das fight,

1265
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 2: But the point I think we have him back here.

1266
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 2: The the point being is, you know she had She

1267
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 2: did an interview after the fight talking about how hard

1268
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 2: Page Vans an't hit, and she was saying that she

1269
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 2: hit harder than some of the men in her life

1270
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 2: that had abused or hit you know, you can just

1271
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 2: tell this woman's had a hard life. Man, she had

1272
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 2: a hard life. So it's nice to see somebody who has,

1273
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 2: you know, wasn't born with a silver spoon in their

1274
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 2: mouth and never had a hand up for the most part,

1275
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 2: finally get you know, a real triumphant moment that frankly

1276
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 2: probably nobody but her and her team and had expected.

1277
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 2: So in that sense, absolutely, I'm not necessarily like invested

1278
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 2: in the future per se. But you know, for somebody

1279
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 2: who has been an underdog their whole life, a big

1280
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 2: w is a nice thing for them. Yeah, you there

1281
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 2: be c all right, Well BC's got you know, a

1282
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 2: potato he's tried to plug in. Can we just get

1283
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 2: him to get on zoom on his fucking phone because

1284
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 2: now we're supposed to do the questions and I'm waiting

1285
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 2: on this idiot to fix his tex shit and all

1286
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 2: I can see is a frozen screen of his stupid face.

1287
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 2: Let's just start this off, GAFF if we can, and

1288
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 2: let's go to DMS from Dogs, so he joins us BC.

1289
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 2: Can you can you connect on your phone so this

1290
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 2: doesn't keep happening? Or what are we doing here?

1291
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 4: Look, I'm back, okay, let's just let's just keep the

1292
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 4: show going.

1293
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, if this happens again, please get on

1294
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 2: your phone because this is high all right, time for

1295
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:07,439
Speaker 2: DAMS from Dogs. Let's do it? He haw, he haw.

1296
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if I got set the questions? So

1297
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 2: why don't you just put him on the screen? GEF

1298
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 2: did you? Oh? He did? Yes? You check your most

1299
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 2: question there, BC from Kansas underscore Kokomo any thoughts on

1300
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 2: DC and Cruz talking about how three round fights are

1301
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 2: typically more exhausting than five rounds because of the urgent pace. BC,

1302
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 2: that's you and his ship froze again? Could he please

1303
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 2: call back on his phone? I am begging you for

1304
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 2: him to not get on that potato. I am begging.

1305
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 2: I am begging BC. Can you please call in on

1306
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 2: your phone, Call in on your phone, dude, this is

1307
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 2: a nightmare. This is a nightmare. Please, I'm begging you.

1308
01:00:57,800 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 2: Don't get don't get on again on your fucking computer.

1309
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 2: It's not gonna work. Thank you. Appreciate that. While he

1310
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 2: does that, I'm going to answer this question here. I

1311
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 2: don't know what to make of that. Actually, I can

1312
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 2: imagine certain scenarios that's the case where you have to

1313
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 2: kind of play the hurry up game. But this is

1314
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 2: a better question that only fighters could really answer. I've

1315
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 2: seen some examples where fights at three rounds were fought.

1316
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 2: You know, there's less room for margin of error, and

1317
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 2: you could tell that strategies were adopted to accommodate that,

1318
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 2: sometimes more aggressive and sometimes more boring, like for example,

1319
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 2: the DC versus Silver fight, where and that's partly Silver's

1320
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 2: fault because he was holding lockdown the entire time from

1321
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 2: underneath and from guard, and he didn't really do anything

1322
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 2: with the underhook, so in that sense, it slowed the

1323
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 2: fight down. The thing about the reason why I'm not

1324
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 2: skeptical of it because they're talking about just the pace

1325
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 2: and the three rounds being exhausting, but guys seem to

1326
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 2: get much more injured after five. Obviously, that makes sense.

1327
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 2: There's ten more minutes and the less level of cardio

1328
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 2: prep appears to be different as well, Like your level

1329
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 2: of difficulty in camp and being able to go that

1330
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 2: extra ten minutes certainly is higher. So that could be

1331
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 2: part of it, right, Like they go through so much

1332
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 2: intensive training to do five rounds that they kind of,

1333
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 2: you know, maybe over prepare versus for three rounds. They're

1334
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:25,919
Speaker 2: in shape, but it might feel worse by virtue of,

1335
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 2: you know, having a lesser kind of a prep. All right, Brian,

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01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:29,919
Speaker 2: will we be back?

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01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 3: Yeah? I'm here, Luke, I mean, can you hear me?

1338
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 2: Yes?

1339
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 3: Jesus Lord, I mean you don't have to get all

1340
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 3: pissy about it exactly.

1341
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 2: I'm not mad at you, but it's like, dude, how

1342
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 2: many times does your signal need to crap out before

1343
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 2: you realize continuing to use that device is probably not

1344
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 2: a good idea anyway? Question for you. BC thoughts on

1345
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 2: DC and crews talking about how three round fights are

1346
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 2: more exhausting typically than five rounds because of urgent pace.

1347
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 3: That's interesting.

1348
01:02:58,040 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 4: I never would have guessed that, Luke.

1349
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 2: All right, that's a great answer. All right, glad you're here.

1350
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 2: Question number two from at Dodo bard BC. What's the

1351
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 2: difference between boxing and bare knuckle boxing? Paul he lost

1352
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 2: to artem PBC lost to Britain. It would seem the

1353
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 2: former are better strikers, but they lost. So what happened?

1354
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 2: Oh boy, do you hear me? Yeah?

1355
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 4: I created a echo.

1356
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 3: Hold on, it's fun, this is great, this is great.

1357
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 2: Hold on, I still hear you.

1358
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 3: Just answer the question, all right, Luke, Okay, I'm trying

1359
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 3: to make this work.

1360
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:40,919
Speaker 4: All right, what's the difference here?

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Speaker 3: We'll look In boxing you can go you know, full

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01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 3: power a lot more and BKFC. If you look, you

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01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 3: use a jab a lot in BKFC. But if you

1364
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 3: look to really land your SHOT's flush, you're gonna break

1365
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 3: your hand pretty quickly. Okay, So it's a little bit

1366
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 3: more about angles and setting up for the right shot

1367
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 3: that can hurt somebody and potentially knock them out. It's

1368
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 3: also a lot more physical and BKFC. You can cling,

1369
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 3: you can headlock, you can do a lot of that

1370
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 3: crazy stuff. That in boxing would quickly be broken up,

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01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 3: so it's not you know, there's not as much need

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Speaker 3: for footwork in the same way. Although look, I thought

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01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 3: I thought Britain and Page largely had a boxing match

1374
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 3: though you know what I mean, this wasn't necessarily a

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01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 3: BKFC type of you know, scrounge brawl. They largely had

1376
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Speaker 3: a boxing match, and Page figured out in the third

1377
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Speaker 3: round how to step in and use her hooks and

1378
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 3: really land powerfully. I just think it took her a

1379
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 3: while to adjust to that. She's also, let's wake up,

1380
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 3: not a pro boxer, right, so either even though Brittahrt

1381
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 3: didn't have the the best you know record jumping out

1382
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 3: at you in terms of people she be or even

1383
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 3: really a winning record, she had more experience in that

1384
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Speaker 3: regard where Page is is coming from an MMA background,

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01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 3: So there are certain there's certainly differences.

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Speaker 4: I think that's the whole level of the playing field

1387
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 4: thing is.

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Speaker 3: You know, you may have certain strengths and in uh

1389
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 3: in boxing that that don't come into play the same.

1390
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 4: Way in BKFC.

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Speaker 3: It's look, it's it's look, it's the damn carnival. At

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01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 3: the end of the day, it's just it's turning out

1393
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 3: to be an entertaining one. Though they have characters, Luke,

1394
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 3: they have freaking characters there.

1395
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean BKFC is designed for maximum action. Two

1396
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 2: minute rounds. You start close together instead of far apart.

1397
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 2: The place is enclosed, you can grip the back of

1398
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 2: the neck. You know. It just is designed for maximum

1399
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 2: put foot on the gas, go type of action, whereas

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01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 2: pure boxing with three minute rounds twelve rounds A you're

1401
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 2: gonna get a better class of athletes generally, but more

1402
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 2: to the point, it is significant and the you know,

1403
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 2: the gloves can be really blocked and used in certain ways.

1404
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 2: It's just harder to hit someone. It's like, people don't

1405
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 2: understand this in real boxing. If you've ever like sparred

1406
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 2: with a real box or a real professional, they're hard

1407
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 2: to hit. They're actually they're legitimately hard to hit because

1408
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 2: there's so much space in the ring. They have such

1409
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 2: good footwork. The gloves can block a lot. You know,

1410
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 2: there's just a lot that's different. And you know, this

1411
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 2: will go on and on and on if you don't,

1412
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 2: if you don't put them away, and you can you know,

1413
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 2: not gonna put away yourself BKFC. You're pushed together and

1414
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 2: you're just designed to go. I'm not saying there's no strategy,

1415
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 2: there's no footwork. I'm not pointing. I'm not not making

1416
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 2: that argument. We've seen that be there. But relative to

1417
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 2: normal boxing, it is. It is, go go, go, go go.

1418
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 2: It's like it's like boxing with the intensity of college wrestling.

1419
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 2: Two minute rounds and a three minute round, you know,

1420
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 2: like just fucking pump out as much as you possibly

1421
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 2: can and that's the end of it.

1422
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 4: And damage is scored, you know, far heavier.

1423
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 3: Like if you look at that poly Malanaji Artem Lobov fight,

1424
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 3: I thought Malnaji easily beat him in terms of out

1425
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 3: boxing him, but you know he got cut up a lot,

1426
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 3: and the judges really favored that and scored that for

1427
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 3: for Lobov. So it you know, it's set up, as

1428
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 3: you said, to be a phone booth brawl, so your

1429
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 3: boxing skills don't come as much into play. But even

1430
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 3: within that bar, you know, phone booth brawl, you can

1431
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 3: only you can only throw so much before.

1432
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 4: These hands get marked up.

1433
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 3: So there's a there's a strategy, there's a different sort

1434
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 3: of footwork, and in the way you set up your

1435
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 3: angles too, Luke. It's it's it's it's it's it's a.

1436
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 3: It's a it's a. It's mayhem. Look, it's frickin' mayhem.

1437
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 2: It certainly is all right from Let's see, who is

1438
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 2: this from? From Saint Jean Kevin? Is Tom Brady the

1439
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 2: goat BC?

1440
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 3: Yeah? By far, by far, And you know, I'd always

1441
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 3: clung to it.

1442
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 4: You know, I'm pretty good NFL historian.

1443
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 3: I'd always clung to Jim Brown just being, you know,

1444
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 3: walked away at the peak of his powers, just put

1445
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 3: up stupid numbers for a guy who largely played in

1446
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 3: twelve and fourteen game seasons.

1447
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 4: Just the greatest of all time.

1448
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 3: You know, There's always been arguments for Joe Montana, you know,

1449
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 3: Jerry Rice, even Lawrence Taylor's some smaller degree. Just dude,

1450
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 3: he's got more Super Bowl rings than any other franchise.

1451
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 3: And he's to be able to do that and get

1452
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 3: four of them between the ages of thirty six and

1453
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 3: forty three. I mean, he's forty three years old, Luke.

1454
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 3: I know the rule changes have allowed for quarterback longevity.

1455
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 3: It's undeniable. Look at the increase in passing yards in

1456
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 3: recent years, and touchdowns. I mean, the game is set

1457
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,959
Speaker 3: up so that the stars can be around longer. Right,

1458
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 3: you kill ratings when these guys get knocked out early

1459
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 3: in the season. But he has fit into that perfectly.

1460
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 3: And it's more schoolyard football these days. And he's got

1461
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 3: a quick release, and he's a genius and his IQ

1462
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 3: is insane, and yes, Luke, he's probably got something in

1463
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 3: his bloodstream. But I can't even believe this happened. I

1464
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 3: cannot believe it happened. He's the damn goal Luke.

1465
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 4: I don't even like the guy.

1466
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 2: I'm always I mean, I don't know enough about American

1467
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:24,600
Speaker 2: football to make these broad claims about who is and

1468
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 2: who isn't. I'm always a little skeptical. I mean, yes,

1469
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 2: he probably, certainly he's the best quarterback I've ever seen.

1470
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 2: I think that's probably fair to say. And you know,

1471
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 2: his record of achievement is extraordinary across two different teams. Now,

1472
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 2: I'm always just a little just as a general rule,

1473
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:40,719
Speaker 2: just pointing this out. I'm not saying that this under

1474
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 2: that I know better than people who know a lot

1475
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:44,840
Speaker 2: about football. Far from it. But I'm always just a

1476
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 2: little bit skeptical about like oh, because Brady was such

1477
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 2: an excel. He excelled so well at quarterback that we

1478
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 2: can undercut like what Jim Brown did. Like there's a

1479
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 2: question about, like what kind of achievements are possible at

1480
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 2: certain positions. Although it's true quarterback position. They don't even

1481
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 2: have twenty good quarterbacks and you've got one who is

1482
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 2: so far ahead of the pack it's just insane. So

1483
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 2: you know, that argument may not be the best either.

1484
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 2: But it's also a team sport too, you know. I mean,

1485
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 2: bet Patrick Mahomes, that poor bastard dude. I mean he

1486
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 2: had he was on his fucking he put on his

1487
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 2: running shoes yesterday because he had no room. It's like,

1488
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 2: how well would Brady have done behind that offensive line?

1489
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:26,680
Speaker 2: I always kind of wonder about that too, because when

1490
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 2: you play for a team, it is a team effort.

1491
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:30,919
Speaker 2: Half the time he's not on the field, New England's

1492
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 2: defense or Tampa Bay's defense is on there, and part

1493
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 2: of your success is a huge function of what they do.

1494
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 2: So is he the best quarterback ever? Almost certainly? You know,

1495
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 2: is he the best NFL player ever? I leave that

1496
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:45,640
Speaker 2: debate to people who know a lot more. I'm just

1497
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 2: a little bit, you know, maybe maybe, but like you know,

1498
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 2: I saw someone like, is he the greatest athlete ever? Like,

1499
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:57,799
Speaker 2: are you got your fucking mind? No? But one country

1500
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:01,560
Speaker 2: Earth plays this like but fuck no, like you know,

1501
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 2: exactly all time.

1502
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 3: Because of his longevity, his career numbers are just stupid.

1503
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 3: And then when you add in that he's got more

1504
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 3: Super Bowl rings than any other team has had in history.

1505
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:14,600
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just really I don't see how you

1506
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 3: can have.

1507
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 4: The debate that he's not anymore. I just don't see it.

1508
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe, So to that point, I tell Europeans this,

1509
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 2: who watch this all the time. There's thirty two teams

1510
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:24,599
Speaker 2: in the NFL. Thirty two. Dude, you have to understand

1511
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:27,680
Speaker 2: something about the quarterback position. BC tell me if I'm right,

1512
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 2: if I'm wrong, but you know I'm right. They can't

1513
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 2: find thirty two elite quarterbacks. They don't exist. They've got

1514
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 2: what how many how many? Okay, B see how many

1515
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 2: quarterbacks would you say are good? Fifteen? Yeah?

1516
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fair.

1517
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 3: There's normal. There's normally like six elite ones, right, then

1518
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 3: there's another like four or five that go kind of

1519
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 3: go up or down.

1520
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 4: But in any given year can be.

1521
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 3: Awesome, and then you've got some solid guys from like

1522
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 3: twelve to sixteen.

1523
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then the rest of.

1524
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:57,600
Speaker 2: Them blow and then the rest of them are just

1525
01:10:57,840 --> 01:10:59,640
Speaker 2: and by the way, the rest of them will be

1526
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 2: guys who were like Toby this is wrong to BC.

1527
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 2: The rest of them, let's say seventeen to thirty two,

1528
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 2: These will be guys by and large who played at

1529
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 2: the premier division IE level in college, your LSUS, your Alabama's,

1530
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 2: you name it, and may have won a national title,

1531
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 2: put up stupid yardage the entire time they were there,

1532
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 2: and then they got to the NFL and they fucking sucked.

1533
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:24,519
Speaker 2: Tim Tebow do you remember his senior year, BC, I

1534
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 2: think this is right. They might dead wrongly for this,

1535
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 2: but I believe his last year playing for University of Florida,

1536
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 2: he had twenty throwing touchdowns and twenty rushing touchdowns. I mean,

1537
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 2: this guy was untouchable in college and he didn't he

1538
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 2: couldn't cut it in the NFL.

1539
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 3: Ultimately, in the end, well, they kind of didn't give

1540
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:43,839
Speaker 3: him a chance after about.

1541
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 2: One Marrigle, Oh really that was the problem. Didn't get

1542
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 2: an opportunity, uh luke.

1543
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 3: It's interesting though, because comparing it to Bill Russell's eleven

1544
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 3: titles in thirteen years. Oh boy, by the way, the

1545
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 3: last three years he was also the coach as a

1546
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:58,440
Speaker 3: player coach. I mean, what he did is just insane.

1547
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 3: Yet for the majority of that and I'm a Celtics

1548
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 3: fan too, not that changes this or anything, but like,

1549
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 3: there were eight teams in the old NBA, and most

1550
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 3: of the guys were you know, a lot of guys

1551
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:09,759
Speaker 3: were fat white guys who were smoking cigarettes at halftime.

1552
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 3: And the Celtics just had the deepest, most incredible coach

1553
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:15,759
Speaker 3: team and a great franchise and all that. Ye's still

1554
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,680
Speaker 3: Bill Russell won eleven titles in thirteen years and was

1555
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 3: so selfless. I feel like Brady's seven rings and you know,

1556
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 3: ten appearances in the Super Bowl are are crazier than

1557
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 3: that when you consider how many teams there are and

1558
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:31,840
Speaker 3: how much this sport evolves, and just how hard it

1559
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:34,599
Speaker 3: is physically, even with the rule changes, to keep your

1560
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 3: body in that situation.

1561
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 4: Now, maybe that's the advanced science, Luke.

1562
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe No, dude, that's that's nothing but a good

1563
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:46,759
Speaker 2: night's rest, a glass of water, and asparagus. Everyone knows,

1564
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 2: that's all you need to play well even with.

1565
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 3: It's like it's like, what was Barry Bond's Yeah, Barry

1566
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 3: Bonds had needles hanging out of his legs when he

1567
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 3: was in his late thirties and he had that four

1568
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 3: year run of MVPs.

1569
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 2: That was just stupid.

1570
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 3: Were he's hitting like three seventy and walk getting walked

1571
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 3: two hundred times a year and all this stuff. Yet

1572
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 3: even with that, Luke, very few people could have done that, right,

1573
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 3: very few could have done that. I just don't know

1574
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:13,680
Speaker 3: who else could do what Tom Brady's doing, even if

1575
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 3: it's all science. Who else could do that and be

1576
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 3: that accurate and be that tough?

1577
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:18,799
Speaker 4: You know, it's crazy.

1578
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:23,599
Speaker 2: Next we have from at Riggins thirty two you think

1579
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:27,160
Speaker 2: it is John Riggins BC could be favorite super Bowl

1580
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 2: halftime show and parentheses apart from Luke's obvious choice of

1581
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 2: j Lo and Shakira, I thought this one. Yesterday absolutely sucked.

1582
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 2: Here's my point about yesterday, ABC. I'll like to get

1583
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 2: your opinion anything that is produced at the super Bowl

1584
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 2: level when you have and apparently you know, the Weekend

1585
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 2: put in a bunch of his own money seven million,

1586
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 2: apparently to how it was spent. I don't know, but

1587
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 2: this is the point. Yeah, in the world of production,

1588
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 2: if you want to be a producer, if you're executive

1589
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 2: producing the super Bowl halftime show, you're like the very

1590
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:01,679
Speaker 2: best in your field in terms of live event production.

1591
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 2: Like it's going to be so good that even a

1592
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 2: bad version is just going to be what mediocre or boring.

1593
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 2: In the end, it would take a lot for super

1594
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:12,759
Speaker 2: Bowl Halftime show to be like a disaster. That's almost

1595
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 2: impossible given what goes into it. So it was not

1596
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 2: a disaster or anything like that. I just found it

1597
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 2: boring and lifeless and soulless. And we talked about this,

1598
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 2: or maybe I talked about with the dudes who came

1599
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 2: over to set up the cameras today, I'm like, dude,

1600
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 2: you know what I want from my music artist. I

1601
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:31,599
Speaker 2: want you like Sam Cook was fucking murdered, you know,

1602
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 2: for all kinds of reasons, but probably not limited to infidelity.

1603
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 2: And you know, Bill Hicks has a bit where I

1604
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 2: want my musicians to die in a pool of their

1605
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,720
Speaker 2: own vomit from drug ods and their snot bubbles coming

1606
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 2: out of their nose on their lifeless corpse. I want

1607
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 2: gg Allen throwing and smearing feces. That shows dude, I

1608
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 2: want somebody who is completely out there at the edge

1609
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 2: of the human experience creating art. You're not going to

1610
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 2: get that with the Pepsi halftime show. So it's like

1611
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 2: Prince this is probably the answer because he was such

1612
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 2: a master of his craft and it rained and shit,

1613
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 2: I would probably go with Prince, you know, But I

1614
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 2: don't know how you could look at last night and

1615
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 2: be like, wow, man, that really moved me. Well, you're

1616
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 2: a fucking librarian.

1617
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 3: I'm a forty two year old white dad who is

1618
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 3: stuck in the nineties and has a vinyl record habit

1619
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:22,759
Speaker 3: and from the nineteen seventies right now, So I'm certainly

1620
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 3: not the right guy to ever judge these. Typically I'm

1621
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 3: not moved by any of these. But oddly enough, last

1622
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 3: night I didn't think it sucked. I didn't think it

1623
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 3: was good. I was just sort of like, yeah, it

1624
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 3: is what it is. Almost every year to me, it's

1625
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 3: typically a band I love, like when they trotted out

1626
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 3: old the Who and old Paul McCartney. But yet that's

1627
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 3: not the place for them either, right, And maybe Janet

1628
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 3: Jackson's boob ruined it for all of us, but there

1629
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 3: have been some good ones, Luke. I liked the Michael

1630
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 3: Jackson one from like ninety three, remember where he disappeared

1631
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 3: and then appeared on the top of the Rose Ball.

1632
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 3: Wasn't there a really good one with Aerosmith and Britney

1633
01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:58,840
Speaker 3: Spears about ten fifteen years ago.

1634
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 2: Luke, here's the thing. It's like, I don't squi here's

1635
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:05,800
Speaker 2: the thing. I don't like Jyal and Shakira's music. But

1636
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 2: here's one thing you could not say about that show.

1637
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:11,680
Speaker 2: You couldn't say. It was an upbeat, up tempo engaged

1638
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 2: almost the entire time. For you don't know this, there's

1639
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 2: a there was a dance challenge that came out of

1640
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 2: it called the Champeta challenge. Champetta is a style of

1641
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 2: music from the coast of Colombia, and Shakira found a

1642
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 2: woman dancing on the coast. I think even in Santa

1643
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 2: Marto or Cartagena was so impressed by her, made her

1644
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 2: her choreographer, pulled her off the street and brought her

1645
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 2: and a dance troupe behind her to do the Champetta

1646
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 2: on the stage. And it's like super upbeat dance music

1647
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 2: the whole time. It's like, dude, if you're not going

1648
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 2: and I understand this was a COVID thing and he

1649
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 2: was up against it, I get it. But if you're

1650
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 2: gonna play PEPSI approved corporate music. VISA loves this halftime show.

1651
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 2: You know it's not gonna be great music probably, but

1652
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:53,799
Speaker 2: at a bare minimum, dude, put on a fucking show.

1653
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 2: Command the stage. This dude is just walking around, fucking

1654
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:00,160
Speaker 2: yelling at us. I was like, yeah, on, dude, just

1655
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 2: have more than this.

1656
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:03,560
Speaker 3: I didn't hate that Maroon five one a couple of

1657
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 3: years back. Everybody else, Look, I'm I'm the wrong guy

1658
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:08,559
Speaker 3: for this conversation. I do want to tell you, though,

1659
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 3: when you have time to research the conspiracies, to look

1660
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:14,639
Speaker 3: up the Janet Jackson moment, the wardrobe malfunction, Luke, because

1661
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 3: there is a very deep satanic tie into both the

1662
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 3: holiday that they were celebrating and the the item around

1663
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 3: her nipple that was there.

1664
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 4: So do your homework on that, Luke. Get back to me.

1665
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 3: Then we can talk about the European banks.

1666
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 2: Yes, who just happened to be run by you know

1667
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 2: who BC. What kind of people I hate? That's where

1668
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 2: I hate, That's that's where you don't want to go

1669
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 2: what the conspiracy theory does?

1670
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 4: All right, no one can question.

1671
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 3: We can't question anything anymore, Luke, because of the far right.

1672
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 4: They ruined it for all.

1673
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,639
Speaker 2: You can you can, you can question whatever you want,

1674
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:47,639
Speaker 2: but you shouldn't ask stupid questions. That's the difference, all right.

1675
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:51,600
Speaker 2: At Abu Sasha Camilla, looking.

1676
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 4: For Brian my guy. That's my guy, Leo.

1677
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:55,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, here we go. Here we go looking

1678
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 2: for Brian Campbell to explain the difference between meat sauce

1679
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 2: or chili on a hot If he does, we can

1680
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 2: never question that he is from a factory town. What

1681
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 2: is the difference vc between chili on a hot dog

1682
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 2: and meat sauce?

1683
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 3: A little backstory. This is one of our passionate listeners.

1684
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 3: Remember the guy with the camel in the back of

1685
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 3: the truck from Abu Dhabi, Luke, this is this man.

1686
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 3: He recently moved to Connecticut, real nice guy. He was

1687
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 3: looking for food recommendation, so I sent him to the

1688
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 3: Great Capitol Lunch in New Britain, Connecticut. Hard Hit in

1689
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 3: New Britain, which is a famous sort of chili dog place.

1690
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 3: But it's not chili, it's meat sauce. Luke, that they

1691
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 3: put on the hot dogs with the onions and all

1692
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 3: that stuff. So meat sauce is incredible. They have a

1693
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:38,719
Speaker 3: very patented formula that they don't share with anybody.

1694
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 4: Why there tastes so good. But the difference between meat.

1695
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 3: Sauce and chili is really just a lack of beans

1696
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 3: and spices. It's a straight ground meat sauce. You know,

1697
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 3: there's probably some mustard in there. There's probably a lot

1698
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 3: of other crazy things that'll kill you, know, give you

1699
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 3: a shorter lifespan. But if you're ever in the New Breton,

1700
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 3: Connecticut area, please check out Capital Lunch and then check

1701
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 3: out the all Polish section of broad behind that. But

1702
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 3: that is the main difference, Luke, Chili dogs are fantastic,

1703
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 3: but I prefer a.

1704
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 4: Dog with some meat sauce on it.

1705
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:10,800
Speaker 3: Brother, I'm not trying to sound like old WWF star

1706
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 3: Virgil Hair, but give me the damn meat sauce all

1707
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 3: the way.

1708
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 2: Okay, you know what, I'm looking it up online. I

1709
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 2: don't know what the answer is, but there from what

1710
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 2: I can pull up on the old Google machine, it

1711
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 2: appears you are correct. B See, Uh, chili without beans

1712
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 2: is not chili. It is meat. Sauce. Chili is short

1713
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:32,559
Speaker 2: for chili concarne, which is Spanish for meat with chili's.

1714
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 2: It appears you are correct, you.

1715
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 3: See yeah with pepper. I mean, look, you get down

1716
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 3: with a have you had a you know you've had

1717
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 3: some some souped up crazy hot dogs right with all

1718
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 3: the all of fixin's on it.

1719
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we see this. You see one thing you

1720
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 2: got to do when you come to DC. I'll take

1721
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 2: it to this place. Obviously, the only way to really

1722
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 2: get the real thing is to go to Columbia. But

1723
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 2: Columbia they make hot dogs that you eat with a

1724
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 2: fork and a knife. Like, if you ever I will

1725
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:57,439
Speaker 2: say as to folks. My mom, my wife told me

1726
01:19:57,640 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 2: when we were dating. She was like, oh, Columbia has

1727
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 2: the best hot dogs. I was offended as an American, right,

1728
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 2: I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait wait wait,

1729
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 2: Americans own the hot dog fourth of July. I mean,

1730
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:09,640
Speaker 2: this is ballparks, this is what we do. She's like,

1731
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 2: you have no idea what you're talking about. So we

1732
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:13,599
Speaker 2: went down there for my first visit and she took

1733
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:16,679
Speaker 2: me to a place perros caliente that's what they call them,

1734
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:19,559
Speaker 2: and they take out the hot dog. They wrap the

1735
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:21,840
Speaker 2: bun inside out right, So I don't know if you

1736
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 2: know about that. Certain places will put pineapple sauce in

1737
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 2: the middle, but that's not required. They put the dog

1738
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 2: in there, and then they put crushed up potato chips,

1739
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:33,640
Speaker 2: quail eggs, you know, all this pink sauce in you know.

1740
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:37,120
Speaker 2: I mean, and I'm onions, like the thing is stacked

1741
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 2: like a I don't know how to explain it, like

1742
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 2: it looks like this isn't an edible comparison, but it

1743
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:46,559
Speaker 2: looks like stacked laundry. I mean, it's just layer after

1744
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 2: layer after layer, cheese and the whole bit, and you

1745
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 2: have to eat it with a fork in a knife.

1746
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 2: You've never seen it. Google Colombian hot Dog. I'm not

1747
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 2: making it up. So there is a place in DC

1748
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 2: that makes them BC. So when you come down, we'll

1749
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:00,240
Speaker 2: do that. When we do the DC tour, I'll take thank.

1750
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:02,360
Speaker 3: You BC, and DC is going to be a heck

1751
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 3: of a documentary. This guy who sent in the question, oh,

1752
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 3: by the way, I believe his wife is Peruvian, so

1753
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 3: he's done the South American tour like you, Luke. He

1754
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 3: does praise the Colombian bakeries as being effing good. Can

1755
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:15,439
Speaker 3: you can you confirm that bread, the bread with the

1756
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 3: cheese and the ham in it, that's what he loves.

1757
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm about the ham. But there's bunuelos that are

1758
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:22,879
Speaker 2: pretty good. That's like cheese bread. That's that's pretty delicious.

1759
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 2: My wife makes those. All right, enough of that bullshit,

1760
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 2: BC take it over, sir. I'm told now before we

1761
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 2: pass to you for have you seen the ship? I

1762
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 2: am told that today's episode, today's slate of content, it

1763
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 2: might be your best.

1764
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:37,640
Speaker 3: I'm very it's some of the best, some of the

1765
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:40,880
Speaker 3: best ship we've ever encountered. Luke, really excited to have

1766
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 3: you finally see it. You know what we do.

1767
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 4: We scour the globe and.

1768
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:46,840
Speaker 2: I'm looking down, not because I'm not looking at you.

1769
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the monitor on my screen so I

1770
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 2: can see it. Just so that's clear.

1771
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 4: For thank you.

1772
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:53,599
Speaker 3: The good and the bad, the highs and lows across

1773
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:55,000
Speaker 3: combat sports and beyond, Luke, it.

1774
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:56,400
Speaker 4: Is have you seen this ship?

1775
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 3: Let's start out UFC Fight night in Las Vegas, Luke,

1776
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 3: did you see on the deep undercard featherweight Odie Osborne

1777
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:06,680
Speaker 3: needed just twenty six seconds to send Jerome Rivera to

1778
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 3: ell Woo.

1779
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:11,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, should we be looking out for this guy?

1780
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 2: I saw him on Contender Series. I thought he was okay,

1781
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 2: but obviously this was an amazing performance. I think a

1782
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:19,400
Speaker 2: lot of these guys are on the undercard are fighting

1783
01:22:19,479 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 2: like last minute opponents. So it's an amazing win. Please

1784
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:24,719
Speaker 2: don't mist understand me, but more I think is warranted

1785
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 2: before I can say a whole lot.

1786
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, very stiff shot that got him out of there.

1787
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:29,880
Speaker 4: Well done. Looks at that one.

1788
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 3: Oh god left straight.

1789
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 4: Wow.

1790
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 2: They talked about the broadcast. You see him roll with

1791
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 2: the kick. The guy through the head kick and he

1792
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 2: just kind of shoulder he like Philly shelled it and

1793
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:40,559
Speaker 2: it came off of his back and then he came

1794
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 2: around with the other side. It was nice. Look at that.

1795
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:45,559
Speaker 2: See how I rolled it around. That's a slick. That's

1796
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 2: really nice.

1797
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 3: Davante Smith, not the Heisman Trophy winner, also had a

1798
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 3: nice performance against Justin the guitar hero Jans on this undercard.

1799
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:56,599
Speaker 4: Look at him swatting away Jane's like a fly.

1800
01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 2: Look, bro, this is this is uh uh. These are

1801
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 2: the store owners at Cumberland Farms. When you try to

1802
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 2: take the hot dogs off the rolls.

1803
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:08,479
Speaker 7: You've been here a full Allah. Yeah, that's an old

1804
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 7: comedy bit, not me being mean to eat. Okay, all right, Luke,

1805
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:14,760
Speaker 7: let's keep going here. You want to hear the sound

1806
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:17,439
Speaker 7: heard around the world during Saturday's broadcast, Gaff, can we

1807
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:18,639
Speaker 7: play up the volume here?

1808
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 3: Edwards, you're not getting out of a fight with her

1809
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 3: without some sort of damage.

1810
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 2: Sure, it's not going to be easy, No way. Mmmm.

1811
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:33,640
Speaker 3: Edward's also show though, you're not getting out of a

1812
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:36,519
Speaker 3: fight with her at that sub stort of damage going

1813
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 3: to be easy? Luke, have you heard that ship? That

1814
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:44,800
Speaker 3: was the Carol Rosa Joscelyn Edwards fight. But somebody on

1815
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 3: the UC broadcast team, I'm I'm calling out d C.

1816
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 3: I know it was you, brother, it had to be, Luke.

1817
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 3: I think d C h broke some win there during

1818
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:55,120
Speaker 3: that excuse Dude.

1819
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 2: You understand I also was parting through that show. I'm

1820
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:00,839
Speaker 2: in no physician to judge Daniel Cornmier.

1821
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 3: I love that so many of us, you know, either

1822
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:06,840
Speaker 3: tweeted or texted each other. We're like, did you just

1823
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:08,720
Speaker 3: hear that somebody shit their pants on the air? I

1824
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 3: mean it, it wasn't Felice Harrig putting that chicken a choke,

1825
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:13,639
Speaker 3: and remember when she shooed her pants.

1826
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 4: This was gross, though.

1827
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 3: Shout out to whoever let that at least claim it, right,

1828
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 3: I mean, whoever smelt it, dealt it, Luke, Right, Yeah,

1829
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:22,719
Speaker 3: whoever denied it supplied it.

1830
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1831
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 3: All right, Hey, let's check out some Polish mma. Let's

1832
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:31,120
Speaker 3: go over to KSW fifty eight Shamille Moosaiev with the

1833
01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 3: post fight slam of Euro's Jerney Sick. Luke, it was

1834
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 3: a unanimous decision defeat and it turned into a post

1835
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 3: fight brawl.

1836
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 4: Did you see this shit?

1837
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:42,160
Speaker 2: I did not. I heard about it. I did not

1838
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 2: see it. KSW sent out some email afterwards being like, oh,

1839
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:51,240
Speaker 2: these two dudes are suspended. So these guys had just fought.

1840
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, one guy won by a decision and then he

1841
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:56,880
Speaker 3: took it out on him and then guys, we're on

1842
01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:59,439
Speaker 3: live TV here. This is Strikeforce Nashville all over again.

1843
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:02,759
Speaker 2: Luke, you know what, Sometimes these things happen in MMAB

1844
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 2: see that is true.

1845
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:06,800
Speaker 4: You get some savages together. That's what's gonna happen. That's

1846
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:07,559
Speaker 4: why we love it, Luke.

1847
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 3: All Right. Rough and Rowdy Boxing pay per view on

1848
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:13,919
Speaker 3: Friday night, Luke. I saw Jose Conseco and Billy Football

1849
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 3: and in early in round one, Oh the Jose. He's

1850
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:22,720
Speaker 3: going down, Luke. The problem is, and this became a problem,

1851
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 3: he's not getting up. The fifty six year old Luke,

1852
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:28,960
Speaker 3: who has had shenanigans in the past, including one sending

1853
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 3: his twin brother Ozzi to fight for him in a

1854
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 3: celebrity about claimed.

1855
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 4: He pulled out his shoulder.

1856
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 3: Billy Football, the twenty two year old celebrating madly, Luke.

1857
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 3: Look at the tape. Do you see him taking a

1858
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:41,760
Speaker 3: dive or one?

1859
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, you know, he's doing the Bob Sap

1860
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 2: bit right, just collecting checks while taking l's and not

1861
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 2: worrying about the shame of it anymore. That's not like

1862
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 2: a legitimate thing you can do. If you're in the

1863
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:56,320
Speaker 2: last legs of celebrity. That is a viable way to

1864
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:59,519
Speaker 2: make a last bit of a punch of money. You know.

1865
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't see many of those shots landing clean.

1866
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 3: There's an alternate angle that you're looking at the replay. Well,

1867
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:08,599
Speaker 3: you know this is run by Dave Portnoy, the head

1868
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:11,599
Speaker 3: of the you know, the presidente of the old Barstool Sports.

1869
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:14,719
Speaker 3: Lukey instantly took to Twitter. He was also an announcer

1870
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:18,000
Speaker 3: on this card and did accuse Konseko of taking a dive.

1871
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:20,639
Speaker 3: I can't read this on my phone. It says, uh,

1872
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 3: Jose one took a dive. We paid up front and

1873
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:28,480
Speaker 3: he got double.

1874
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:28,639
Speaker 4: If he won.

1875
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, we thought that would ensure that he'd fight. We

1876
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:34,400
Speaker 2: were wrong. Yeah he might do that. What it surprise you? Honestly?

1877
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 2: I mean, this is what you're gonna get with Jose

1878
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:38,320
Speaker 2: And I heard he got paid a shitload of money too,

1879
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:39,360
Speaker 2: like a million bucks for that.

1880
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 3: Well, Dave Portnoy went back to Twitter to kind of

1881
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:45,240
Speaker 3: update the situation. Luke, and here were the exact specifics

1882
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 3: of what Jose got fifty to show and fifty to win,

1883
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:53,360
Speaker 3: So he only got fifty, but as Portnoy says in there,

1884
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:55,800
Speaker 3: he also had a rev share if we broke our

1885
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:57,000
Speaker 3: record for pay per view.

1886
01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 4: Bys we shattered it. Get ready to puke.

1887
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:03,680
Speaker 3: They made over one million dollars for five seconds last night.

1888
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 3: I don't feel bad for him anymore. Uh, Luke, what

1889
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 3: do you do if you're Dave Portnoy here? I mean,

1890
01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:12,439
Speaker 3: you're benefiting from this the attention.

1891
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:15,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, listen, you made money in the end. You

1892
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:19,200
Speaker 2: made money in the end. He can't cry either. He's

1893
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:21,200
Speaker 2: bitter that you didn't get he didn't get more out

1894
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:23,800
Speaker 2: of Conseko. But if you made that kind of money

1895
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:27,679
Speaker 2: and you shattered your records, yeah, it's disappointing in the end, Okay,

1896
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:29,439
Speaker 2: but you're not going to do business with him again,

1897
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 2: and it shows that this is a viable thing for

1898
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:35,880
Speaker 2: to make money for Barstool. So yeah, I think he's

1899
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 2: probably a little bit piss about how it turned out.

1900
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:39,640
Speaker 2: Happy in the end, how would you not be?

1901
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:42,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, but if you didn't expect this and

1902
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 3: your Dave Portnoy, did you not see Jose Canseeko against

1903
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:46,920
Speaker 3: Hongman Choi, Luke, Remember when he brought a bat to

1904
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:48,120
Speaker 3: the ring in Japan.

1905
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:50,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he came out to that. He walked out to

1906
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 2: that fight with the baseball bat too. It's like, oh.

1907
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:57,320
Speaker 3: God, that guy took a quick l there. Yeah all right, Hey,

1908
01:27:57,520 --> 01:27:59,400
Speaker 3: there was some undercard shit worth watching on.

1909
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 4: This rough and route. I watched this guy get sent

1910
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 4: to hell.

1911
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 3: I don't have any names here, Luke, but good lord,

1912
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 3: oh God, get Kane and the Undertaker, just that, get

1913
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:13,280
Speaker 3: the coffin ready, Wow.

1914
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 2: Dude, look at his feet crossed like he's just lounging

1915
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 2: at the beach.

1916
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, ruff and rowdy is supposed to be fun drunk boxing,

1917
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 3: but sometimes you can get you can get hurt, Luke.

1918
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:23,680
Speaker 4: Indeed, all right, you.

1919
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:25,800
Speaker 2: Know these corn fed white boys, and they'll put it

1920
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:26,919
Speaker 2: on you if you let him.

1921
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:29,759
Speaker 3: That is true. Hey, Luke, you remember former UFC fighter

1922
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 3: Thomas Gifford. Remember he got beat up really bad by

1923
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:33,160
Speaker 3: Mike Davis because.

1924
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:36,440
Speaker 2: Referee and the fight was stopped late or not at all, whatever.

1925
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:39,760
Speaker 3: It was, because referee Andrew Glenn let him get hung

1926
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:42,799
Speaker 3: out to dry well. Thomas Gifford resurfaced in pyramid fights

1927
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:45,880
Speaker 3: and he took a vicious regional ko right here.

1928
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 4: I hate to see this, Luke.

1929
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:51,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like how you're showing it from CTE society.

1930
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:54,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, at the end of the day, Luke,

1931
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:57,400
Speaker 3: it is what it is, right, Oh God, what it Yeah?

1932
01:28:57,400 --> 01:28:59,559
Speaker 2: This is bad. This is really bad. He walked into

1933
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:00,080
Speaker 2: it too.

1934
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:01,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, he did.

1935
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:03,720
Speaker 4: I don't know if we'll see him again. Hey, Luke,

1936
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 4: have you heard this ship?

1937
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:07,519
Speaker 3: I got some audio for you. Check out this University

1938
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:09,759
Speaker 3: of Pittsburgh college basketball press conference.

1939
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:15,800
Speaker 8: The teams that we got too conquable and relaxed with.

1940
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:18,639
Speaker 8: They just busted in our mouth and we just had

1941
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:21,880
Speaker 8: to eat that up man, take it, take it in,

1942
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:24,800
Speaker 8: take it on our chin, and bounce back from the

1943
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:27,599
Speaker 8: teams that we got to conquible and relaxed with. They

1944
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 8: just busted in our mouth and we just had to

1945
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 8: eat that up man, take it.

1946
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:39,520
Speaker 2: Kind of games.

1947
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 3: Who's the announcer? Is that Sean Whelock who got the

1948
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 3: job announcing porn?

1949
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:46,720
Speaker 2: Luke? Is this the post, by the way, which I

1950
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:51,639
Speaker 2: listened to? How was it taking off her bra and

1951
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:54,200
Speaker 2: now her breasts are fully exposed?

1952
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:58,120
Speaker 3: Let me go to the post fight interview. Uh, they

1953
01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:00,679
Speaker 3: shot in our mouth and we and we while what

1954
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:04,000
Speaker 3: the hell is happening? Luke, That's not the craziest audio

1955
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:07,160
Speaker 3: of the week. Let's bring in Colin Cowhard, Luke, let's

1956
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:10,200
Speaker 3: check this out in Los Angeles.

1957
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:15,960
Speaker 2: It's like we've been a two titties excuse me, two cities.

1958
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:20,559
Speaker 3: Have all the championships and play in Los Angeles. It's

1959
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:21,360
Speaker 3: like we've been.

1960
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:29,439
Speaker 2: All he's just looking at Los Angeles.

1961
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:32,920
Speaker 3: That is his co host Joy Taylor.

1962
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:34,599
Speaker 4: Luke, This you know what moment?

1963
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:38,479
Speaker 3: This was Chevy Chase Christmas vacation inside the department store

1964
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:41,120
Speaker 3: telling that the lingerie clerk, you know, it's getting a

1965
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:46,360
Speaker 3: bit nippley in here. Nipple no, yeah, uh yeah, Hooters

1966
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:51,400
Speaker 3: yeah wow wow. Luke, that's a slip of the old.

1967
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:55,000
Speaker 3: Uh what do you do, Luke? Let's say you were

1968
01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:57,760
Speaker 3: interviewing I'm not even gonna say a name of who

1969
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:00,000
Speaker 3: you could be interviewing, but let's say you were interviewing

1970
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:03,160
Speaker 3: a MMA starle it and you accidentally were like, you know,

1971
01:31:03,240 --> 01:31:06,040
Speaker 3: you're you know, to the temerity of the omerta of

1972
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:08,280
Speaker 3: the upper bowl limits of your takedown defense.

1973
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:08,519
Speaker 2: Uh.

1974
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:10,160
Speaker 3: You know, when I look at your game, I see

1975
01:31:10,160 --> 01:31:13,800
Speaker 3: a lot of titties. I mean, I mean takedowns. Look

1976
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:15,920
Speaker 3: what do you do to follow that? Luke? How do

1977
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:16,800
Speaker 3: you erase that?

1978
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:19,640
Speaker 2: Normally? In a situation like that, If it was like

1979
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:21,439
Speaker 2: a dude and I made some kind of weird, off

1980
01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:24,479
Speaker 2: color remark that I didn't necessarily intend to, I'd actually

1981
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:26,760
Speaker 2: stop and make fun of myself for it. But with

1982
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:29,760
Speaker 2: a woman, I feel like, you know, there's like hr

1983
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:32,840
Speaker 2: gets involved and it just gets a little weird. So

1984
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 2: you just got you gotta you gotta plow through, bro,

1985
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:36,240
Speaker 2: and you gotta just take the l you know, there's

1986
01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:50,880
Speaker 2: just no way around it. Oh, we lost the feed.

1987
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:55,519
Speaker 2: What happened here? We lost Brian's live view. That's awesome.

1988
01:31:57,320 --> 01:31:59,400
Speaker 2: Yes they can hear I can hear you, but they

1989
01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:03,839
Speaker 2: lost your live you which is just perfect. Oh great,

1990
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:19,759
Speaker 2: Well can I see the subway creature? Let's see? Oh

1991
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 2: Fourteenth Street too? Fourteenth Street? Yeah, dude, that oh that

1992
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:30,439
Speaker 2: is absolutely yeah. This is like what is this Union

1993
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:36,679
Speaker 2: Union Square? That is hilarious. Golly bro New York City

1994
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:39,880
Speaker 2: Metro or subway rather BC and I had to ride

1995
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 2: that every Monday. Uh and it's just the worst. I

1996
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:58,639
Speaker 2: hear you on zoom BC. Yeah, all right, I'm gonna

1997
01:32:58,680 --> 01:32:59,679
Speaker 2: rift for a little bit here.

1998
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:02,479
Speaker 4: Well we wait for plugged it in the top part

1999
01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 4: was not.

2000
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:07,639
Speaker 2: Making it look easy as we, uh, fix his tech problem.

2001
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:09,360
Speaker 2: I just want to point out on the show here,

2002
01:33:09,400 --> 01:33:13,400
Speaker 2: finally it's not me having tech problems. Your boy, my

2003
01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:16,080
Speaker 2: laptop is plugged in my live you was plugged in.

2004
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:18,200
Speaker 3: For the record, Luke, I didn't set this up.

2005
01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:23,160
Speaker 2: I've got mat nice microphone. It's plugged in to xl

2006
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:27,639
Speaker 2: R input. I'm I'm okay. I did just fine, Luke.

2007
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:30,280
Speaker 4: The team set this up for me, just so you know.

2008
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:35,080
Speaker 2: Okay, BC, a poor carpenter blames his tools. Look at

2009
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:36,040
Speaker 2: your ass cheeks here.

2010
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:40,599
Speaker 3: I'm like Jay, I will take the blame for the team. Okay, okay, Luke,

2011
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:42,200
Speaker 3: all right, yeah, assless chaps.

2012
01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:42,640
Speaker 4: There we go.

2013
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:45,280
Speaker 3: That guy's a dirt ball. Let's roll on here, Luke. Hey,

2014
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:48,800
Speaker 3: Nebraska volleyball players have brought into the lexicon something they

2015
01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:53,000
Speaker 3: call the finger boop. Look that looks a lot like

2016
01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:55,320
Speaker 3: the damn tip on tip that we do around these parts.

2017
01:33:55,320 --> 01:33:56,120
Speaker 3: What's going on here?

2018
01:33:56,479 --> 01:33:58,080
Speaker 2: We don't ever do that. I don't know why you

2019
01:33:58,160 --> 01:34:02,200
Speaker 2: tell folks that. All right? Does that?

2020
01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:04,160
Speaker 3: Did that get your aroused at all? The finger booth?

2021
01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:12,120
Speaker 2: You go with that? No? No two titties, I mean city.

2022
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:14,200
Speaker 3: Oh boy? All right, hey, let's go to the old

2023
01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:17,400
Speaker 3: lifting gloves debate that Luke loves our friend Josh Nason

2024
01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:17,920
Speaker 3: tweeted that.

2025
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:20,960
Speaker 2: It's not a debate, it's not a debate. Yeah, Eminem,

2026
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:24,960
Speaker 2: could you? I mean Eminem is like, I can I

2027
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:27,160
Speaker 2: cannot believe people go out of their way to tell

2028
01:34:27,200 --> 01:34:31,760
Speaker 2: me he's great. He's like, he's so fucking washed, it's unbelievable.

2029
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:35,200
Speaker 3: He's seen video of you act like a schoolgirl when

2030
01:34:35,200 --> 01:34:36,000
Speaker 3: Eminem walk by.

2031
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:38,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I wanted klout for the gram. You don't

2032
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:40,600
Speaker 2: ever hear me say he's a great rapper, do you?

2033
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:44,599
Speaker 2: The guy's insanely popular. I was gonna get some fucking followers. Dude,

2034
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:48,679
Speaker 2: This dude sounds like he's putting out Christian rap these days,

2035
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:51,000
Speaker 2: with just maybe an F word thrown in here or there.

2036
01:34:51,479 --> 01:34:56,439
Speaker 2: It is so corporate and boring and uninteresting. And now

2037
01:34:56,520 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 2: he's lifting with weight with gloves with by the way,

2038
01:34:59,240 --> 01:35:01,920
Speaker 2: not with Williams pound weights. He's not even lifting anything.

2039
01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:05,400
Speaker 2: Could not be a greater example of the truth of

2040
01:35:05,439 --> 01:35:07,360
Speaker 2: which I speak, all right?

2041
01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:10,280
Speaker 3: That is from that weird video with the UFC parts

2042
01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:13,479
Speaker 3: in it whatever, Luke, also in lifting gloves business, would

2043
01:35:13,479 --> 01:35:14,120
Speaker 3: you ever wear these?

2044
01:35:14,200 --> 01:35:22,240
Speaker 2: Luke? Where did you even find this?

2045
01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:26,120
Speaker 3: That looks like a Hogy farts pickup? I can't read

2046
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:27,600
Speaker 3: that small on the phone because I'm not allowed to

2047
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:28,759
Speaker 3: do this on my computer anymore.

2048
01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:31,400
Speaker 2: It says, M back two ten, whoever the hell that is?

2049
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:32,439
Speaker 2: Hand or pay?

2050
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:35,599
Speaker 3: All right, there it is there, it is okay, let's

2051
01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:37,639
Speaker 3: keep it going here, Luke. Friend of the program Sugar

2052
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 3: Rashad Evans posted a picture with his infant son solaris

2053
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:45,000
Speaker 3: wearing the daddy pat poos Luke, great dad moment, or

2054
01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:47,120
Speaker 3: maybe he should have thought twice about posting the pick.

2055
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:49,479
Speaker 2: You tell me, no, I like it. I like it.

2056
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:52,400
Speaker 2: I never had this, but I wish I did. I

2057
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:56,360
Speaker 2: think it's a very sweet moment. And congrats to old Sugar.

2058
01:35:57,120 --> 01:35:58,639
Speaker 4: All right, I like that, Luke.

2059
01:35:58,720 --> 01:36:01,599
Speaker 3: Let's your favorite topic is always the upcoming Ben Askrin

2060
01:36:01,720 --> 01:36:04,639
Speaker 3: Jake Paul fight. Check out the new custom punching bag

2061
01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:07,479
Speaker 3: that just ask Askrin has secured.

2062
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:10,760
Speaker 4: You can get down with this, right, I don't care.

2063
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:12,280
Speaker 2: I don't care.

2064
01:36:13,160 --> 01:36:16,840
Speaker 3: All right? Okay, Hey Luke, remember seven foot seven manew Bowl.

2065
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:19,799
Speaker 3: You know his son Bull Bull plays for the Denver Nuggets.

2066
01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:22,840
Speaker 3: Check Out this filthy dunk that the seven foot two

2067
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:24,040
Speaker 3: bull Bull broke out.

2068
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:27,880
Speaker 2: I mean, is it that impressive? The guy is the

2069
01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:31,040
Speaker 2: guy is? You know this guy can hunt geese with

2070
01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:32,160
Speaker 2: a rake. I mean.

2071
01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:38,519
Speaker 3: That's the old Vince Carter from two thousand reverse against

2072
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:40,520
Speaker 3: the Grain three sixty windmill.

2073
01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:43,960
Speaker 4: That's impressive, Luke, I know is yeah, all right, he's

2074
01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:44,439
Speaker 4: a big dude.

2075
01:36:44,479 --> 01:36:46,800
Speaker 2: But I stole that joke from Nick Topolo. I want

2076
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:48,160
Speaker 2: to be clear about that. But this guy could fucking

2077
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:50,919
Speaker 2: hunt geese with a rake. You know, he's obviously athletic.

2078
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:52,720
Speaker 2: Manu Bowl played for the Bullets, by the way before

2079
01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:55,800
Speaker 2: they were the Wizards. You know, not that great?

2080
01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:59,680
Speaker 4: All right? All right, hey, luke, street fight gone bad here?

2081
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:00,599
Speaker 3: Check this out?

2082
01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:07,439
Speaker 2: A little bad for one person, all right? So someone

2083
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:10,040
Speaker 2: should to get separated by his friends who's obviously been drinking.

2084
01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:18,000
Speaker 3: Oh, Luke, when you throw the eighteen pack of bud

2085
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:20,479
Speaker 3: can you gotta be careful who you're throwing it at. Oh,

2086
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:23,519
Speaker 3: that poor chick took a hard l luke. Wow.

2087
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:26,080
Speaker 2: And and you hit the you hit the lady, which

2088
01:37:26,120 --> 01:37:29,439
Speaker 2: was just you know, innocent bystander, and then you give

2089
01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:31,120
Speaker 2: up the beer in the process, like.

2090
01:37:31,160 --> 01:37:33,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, then you spill the supporo all over the road.

2091
01:37:33,800 --> 01:37:36,040
Speaker 4: That is not that is not good there, Luke?

2092
01:37:36,120 --> 01:37:37,040
Speaker 2: Wow? All right?

2093
01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:40,320
Speaker 3: Uh can't? Yeah, hey, Luke, there's a lot of reasons

2094
01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:42,320
Speaker 3: why you think Jay Aaron is an asshole. One of

2095
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:45,120
Speaker 3: those is because he says he drives his Tesla while sleeping.

2096
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:50,040
Speaker 3: Check out this driver and passenger out cold, Luke, and

2097
01:37:50,120 --> 01:37:52,160
Speaker 3: the tesla is still safely driving.

2098
01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:56,080
Speaker 2: Your thoughts this this should be against the fucking law.

2099
01:37:56,200 --> 01:37:59,200
Speaker 2: I don't give him sho. Shouldn't there be a rule?

2100
01:37:59,240 --> 01:38:01,280
Speaker 2: It's like, if you're gonna be in the car and

2101
01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:04,720
Speaker 2: you're in the driver's seat, shouldn't she be conscious? I

2102
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:07,040
Speaker 2: feel like that is a bear.

2103
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:10,920
Speaker 3: But I even in my twenty twenty bright Orange Subreu

2104
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:13,920
Speaker 3: cross track, there are some weird safety features where like,

2105
01:38:14,240 --> 01:38:15,880
Speaker 3: if it goes out of the lane, it'll bring you

2106
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:18,080
Speaker 3: back in it. I can set the cruise control where

2107
01:38:18,280 --> 01:38:21,240
Speaker 3: it'll keep me two car lenks behind the car in

2108
01:38:21,240 --> 01:38:23,040
Speaker 3: front of me, and it will speed up and slow

2109
01:38:23,080 --> 01:38:26,960
Speaker 3: down on its own. But I would never Luke be

2110
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:29,439
Speaker 3: that big of an asshole to where I'd be like, yeah,

2111
01:38:29,479 --> 01:38:31,360
Speaker 3: it's fine if I fall asleep, this Tesla is gonna

2112
01:38:31,439 --> 01:38:33,040
Speaker 3: keep me safe. Like what are we doing here?

2113
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:37,559
Speaker 2: Yeah? This is This is cars for people with bad

2114
01:38:37,680 --> 01:38:39,880
Speaker 2: drinking habits. Is basically the answer here.

2115
01:38:40,040 --> 01:38:43,040
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it really, it really is, Luke. You had

2116
01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:46,719
Speaker 3: referenced Luke your first date with the radio missus Thomas earlier.

2117
01:38:46,760 --> 01:38:48,599
Speaker 3: We know how it took place at a shooting range.

2118
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:51,040
Speaker 3: We finally got CCTV footage of it.

2119
01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:56,919
Speaker 2: Luke, this is pretty close, although it was indoors okay, okay,

2120
01:38:57,080 --> 01:38:59,639
Speaker 2: all right, And also that barrel might get hot, which

2121
01:38:59,680 --> 01:39:02,840
Speaker 2: would do unspeakable things, So you won't want to be

2122
01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:04,240
Speaker 2: careful with how much you're firing that.

2123
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Speaker 3: Look that luckily. I mean, look, we all have weird backstories.

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Speaker 3: I met my wife on MySpace, of all places. But

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Speaker 3: your first state was really out of damn shooting range.

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Speaker 3: Like did were you nervous that the lovely lady would

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Speaker 3: be turned off by your overpowering masculinity?

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Speaker 2: No, there's no such thing. If you've got it, you see,

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01:39:24,280 --> 01:39:25,519
Speaker 2: you've got it, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if you got a better fla on it, let

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Speaker 4: them look at help you get up on it.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying there? Yeah, all right, okay, Hey,

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Speaker 3: let's go over to the old golf game. Check out

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01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:37,400
Speaker 3: this fat guy about to take a hard a hard

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Speaker 3: l You know this happens, Luke. You hit the ball

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Speaker 3: to the fringe, you set up your shot.

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Speaker 2: Uh oh, here goes fatty. Did I hope I hope

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Speaker 2: he doesn't get hit by any motor boats? Oh?

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Speaker 4: That's great, that's great.

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Speaker 3: All right, Luke, we got one more for you.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know the manatees wore shoes in Florida.

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Speaker 4: Uh yeah, yeah, well well done. There one more.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what video game this is, Luke, but

2144
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:05,479
Speaker 3: this is nearly getting on brand to MK territory.

2145
01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:07,040
Speaker 4: Check out these two aliens.

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Speaker 3: Just I'll tell you what, Luke, this, this batch of

2147
01:40:17,320 --> 01:40:19,280
Speaker 3: have you seen this shit had a lot of potential,

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01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:22,320
Speaker 3: but the tech issues kind of petered me out. All right,

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01:40:22,360 --> 01:40:24,000
Speaker 3: I hope you enjoyed it though, Just the same.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, with that in mind, b C, before we have

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Speaker 2: another epic collapse of technology. What are your odds and

2152
01:40:30,040 --> 01:40:32,280
Speaker 2: ends for the week? Odds and ends?

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01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:34,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, why don't you say a tip of the cap

2154
01:40:34,600 --> 01:40:37,479
Speaker 3: in and rip to a legend, Leon Spinks, who passed

2155
01:40:37,479 --> 01:40:39,960
Speaker 3: away I believe at sixty seven in the past few days.

2156
01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:44,000
Speaker 3: Lukey had had prostate cancer among other cancers in recent years.

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01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:47,559
Speaker 3: And Leon's had such an interesting career right. He's the

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Speaker 3: older brother of Michael Spinks, who was a former light heavyweight.

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Speaker 4: And heavyweight champion.

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Speaker 3: They both won Olympic gold in Montreal in nineteen seventy six,

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Speaker 3: and then Leon Spinks did like the impossible Luke and

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01:40:57,439 --> 01:41:01,200
Speaker 3: his eighth pro fight, good Lord eighth. He fought Muhammad

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01:41:01,200 --> 01:41:03,920
Speaker 3: Ali in Las Vegas and upset him for the undisputed

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01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:08,800
Speaker 3: heavyweight championship, and obviously the career never never got back

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Speaker 3: to the same level as that big moment. He had

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Speaker 3: lost the rematch to Ali at the superdoma New Orleans

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01:41:13,880 --> 01:41:17,200
Speaker 3: in front of like sixty three thousand A couple months later, Luke,

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Speaker 3: that's a fight by the way, that they claim ninety

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Speaker 3: million people watch live on ABC, which is amazing, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean it was back in the day when he

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01:41:26,360 --> 01:41:30,439
Speaker 3: had three channels, but ninety million people. The rest of

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01:41:30,479 --> 01:41:34,200
Speaker 3: Sphink's career was certainly marked by you know, arrests drug abuse.

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01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:36,800
Speaker 3: He did get back to the title level twice, losing

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Speaker 3: to Larry Holmes at heavyweight and Dwight Muhammed Kawe at cruiserweight.

2175
01:41:40,479 --> 01:41:43,160
Speaker 3: But this guy was one of boxing's fun characters. We

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01:41:43,200 --> 01:41:46,040
Speaker 3: all remember the Sports Illustrated cover of him missing his

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01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:49,360
Speaker 3: you know, forefront teeth and smiling and celebrating. They called

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Speaker 3: him Neon Leon. There's a bunch of fun boxing brethren

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01:41:53,280 --> 01:41:55,000
Speaker 3: of mine who've had great times at the Hall of

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01:41:55,000 --> 01:41:58,280
Speaker 3: Fame weekend at Canastota singing karaoke with Leon. He's always

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01:41:58,280 --> 01:42:01,599
Speaker 3: the life of the party, loved the cameras. Comes from

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01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:03,840
Speaker 3: a great lineage of fighters obviously, and created one of

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01:42:03,880 --> 01:42:06,320
Speaker 3: his own. His son, Cory Spinks, was the undisputed welterweight

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01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:08,960
Speaker 3: champion in the two thousands and had a nice career,

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01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:11,600
Speaker 3: winning titles in two divisions. But you know one of

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01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:13,519
Speaker 3: those great names, Luke, you here, Leon Spinks.

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01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:15,599
Speaker 4: You know who he is right away? Fault Muhammad Ali.

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01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:20,880
Speaker 3: You know, Olympic champion x X marine maybe or was

2189
01:42:20,880 --> 01:42:24,080
Speaker 3: it Air Force? Anyway, he served our country either way, Luke,

2190
01:42:24,120 --> 01:42:26,280
Speaker 3: even though there's no such thing as a next Marine.

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01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:29,920
Speaker 3: So Leon Spinks wild up and down, crazy career, but

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01:42:30,040 --> 01:42:31,760
Speaker 3: always had a smile on his face doing it.

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Speaker 4: Rip at sixty seven.

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Speaker 2: For me, I will say, happy trails and thanks for

2195
01:42:37,080 --> 01:42:39,680
Speaker 2: the career. And I mean that's sincerely to Chris the

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01:42:39,720 --> 01:42:43,400
Speaker 2: Krippler Levin who won his bout over the week or

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01:42:43,439 --> 01:42:48,720
Speaker 2: weekend I should say Friday really at BKFC. He went

2198
01:42:48,760 --> 01:42:50,880
Speaker 2: three to one in his time in BKFC, beating Phil

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01:42:50,920 --> 01:42:52,760
Speaker 2: Beroni just in basement, losing it to go to cockr,

2200
01:42:52,840 --> 01:42:56,920
Speaker 2: then beat Quinton Henry and then retired afterwards. I believe

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01:42:57,080 --> 01:42:59,320
Speaker 2: Gaff if I'm not mistaken, we have some of the

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01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:05,479
Speaker 2: audio from the US. If we do let's hear it.

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01:43:05,680 --> 01:43:07,200
Speaker 6: You know how many people get to say they get

2204
01:43:07,240 --> 01:43:10,280
Speaker 6: knocked out by When I was fifteen.

2205
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:11,800
Speaker 2: I would have gave my left nut to get knocked

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01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:15,519
Speaker 2: out by Chris Leevin And uh and shit, look at me.

2207
01:43:15,560 --> 01:43:20,120
Speaker 3: Now, damn it, you know, but uh, I appreciate it.

2208
01:43:20,520 --> 01:43:22,040
Speaker 3: You know how many people get to say they get

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01:43:22,160 --> 01:43:23,280
Speaker 3: knocked out by Chris Leaving?

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01:43:23,320 --> 01:43:25,400
Speaker 2: You know when I was I would have gave my

2211
01:43:25,479 --> 01:43:27,400
Speaker 2: left nut to get I wouldn't. I would not give

2212
01:43:27,439 --> 01:43:29,440
Speaker 2: my left nut to get knocked out by Chris.

2213
01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:32,000
Speaker 3: But I will say, look at him now, loke, look

2214
01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:32,760
Speaker 3: at that guy.

2215
01:43:33,160 --> 01:43:35,920
Speaker 2: I will say that Chris had a pretty great career.

2216
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:38,000
Speaker 2: You know, obviously never won a title and you know,

2217
01:43:38,160 --> 01:43:40,479
Speaker 2: didn't climb the ranks in that sense. But he had

2218
01:43:40,479 --> 01:43:42,920
Speaker 2: that back to back fight sequence where it was three

2219
01:43:43,080 --> 01:43:46,280
Speaker 2: or so weeks apart, where he beat Aaron Simpson and

2220
01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:48,280
Speaker 2: Yosha Here aka Yama. People were asking me in my

2221
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:50,439
Speaker 2: lap chat, you know what's your favorite Chris leaping moment?

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01:43:50,439 --> 01:43:52,559
Speaker 2: It was that two or three week period where he

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01:43:52,680 --> 01:43:55,160
Speaker 2: did that. Because he wasn't meeting Aaron Simpson, I didn't

2224
01:43:55,160 --> 01:43:56,920
Speaker 2: think was that big of an upset. I man, I

2225
01:43:56,960 --> 01:43:58,439
Speaker 2: have been an upset at all, but it was, you know,

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01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:02,240
Speaker 2: fairly not controversial. But to turn around and beat Akayama

2227
01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:04,840
Speaker 2: the way he did, submitting him right so to Tia,

2228
01:44:04,880 --> 01:44:08,080
Speaker 2: he'd knocked out Aaron Simpson and submitted Akayama, that was

2229
01:44:08,080 --> 01:44:12,719
Speaker 2: pretty special. I mean, he always was, you know, more

2230
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:16,240
Speaker 2: talented than folks reputationally gave him a credit. They gave

2231
01:44:16,280 --> 01:44:18,040
Speaker 2: him credit for being a brawler. He knocked out Vandali

2232
01:44:18,080 --> 01:44:20,120
Speaker 2: Silva as well, but he could fight a little bit

2233
01:44:20,240 --> 01:44:22,960
Speaker 2: just beyond that, and I think learned a lot of

2234
01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:25,320
Speaker 2: hard lessons from his life and for his time in fighting.

2235
01:44:25,640 --> 01:44:27,519
Speaker 2: I think it's come out a lot healthier on the

2236
01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:30,200
Speaker 2: other end, at least mentally speaking. And I'm happy to

2237
01:44:30,200 --> 01:44:32,639
Speaker 2: see him call today. I think it's the right time certainly.

2238
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:36,360
Speaker 2: And congratulations on a on a great career.

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Speaker 3: What I would say, I like seeing him get to

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Speaker 3: go out on his own terms at age forty. Like

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01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:45,320
Speaker 3: Quentin Harry came Quentin Henry. I'm sorry, Quentin came Adam

2242
01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:46,599
Speaker 3: and was just throwing bombs.

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01:44:46,680 --> 01:44:46,880
Speaker 2: Luke.

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01:44:46,920 --> 01:44:47,880
Speaker 4: That was a wild fight.

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01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:50,880
Speaker 3: It was fun to see, but you echoed everything about

2246
01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:51,640
Speaker 3: what Liban was.

2247
01:44:51,680 --> 01:44:52,439
Speaker 4: A true warrior.

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01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:55,479
Speaker 3: People forget ahead of that Anderson Silva debut in which

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01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:57,880
Speaker 3: you know Liban got torn up. He had won six

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01:44:57,920 --> 01:44:59,839
Speaker 3: in a row, Luke, I mean he was a viable

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01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:02,439
Speaker 3: fighter entering that fight. That was a going to be

2252
01:45:02,479 --> 01:45:05,560
Speaker 3: a very tough test on paper to find out if Anderson.

2253
01:45:05,200 --> 01:45:05,960
Speaker 4: Silva was for real.

2254
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:09,599
Speaker 3: He had beaten this Is Liban, he had beaten Patrick Kote,

2255
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:12,920
Speaker 3: Jorge Rivera, Benji Roddick during that run. So you know,

2256
01:45:13,160 --> 01:45:14,960
Speaker 3: there were some periods in his career where he was

2257
01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:18,559
Speaker 3: certainly much closer to contention than we sort of remember

2258
01:45:18,640 --> 01:45:21,800
Speaker 3: him as sort of a lovable brawler. But nothing will

2259
01:45:21,840 --> 01:45:24,280
Speaker 3: be better than his performance at UFC one sixteen, Luke.

2260
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:27,200
Speaker 3: That was the brock Lesner Shane Carwin card. It's one

2261
01:45:27,200 --> 01:45:29,240
Speaker 3: of my favorite main cards in pay per view history,

2262
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:31,559
Speaker 3: and a big reason of that was this brawl with

2263
01:45:31,640 --> 01:45:34,680
Speaker 3: sex Ayama in which Leban you know rallied in the

2264
01:45:34,720 --> 01:45:37,760
Speaker 3: third round to pull off the submission win by triangle choke.

2265
01:45:38,240 --> 01:45:40,400
Speaker 3: Just a fun fighter, a fun career. As you mentioned,

2266
01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:44,200
Speaker 3: his last win will go down to Luke. Twenty eleven

2267
01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:46,360
Speaker 3: was his last MMA win when he knocked out vonder

2268
01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:46,840
Speaker 3: Ley Silva.

2269
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:48,840
Speaker 4: So's it's been a long time, but.

2270
01:45:49,280 --> 01:45:51,840
Speaker 3: I liked the postfight press conference, aside from that weird

2271
01:45:51,840 --> 01:45:55,120
Speaker 3: comment we played from Quentin Henry in which Liban said

2272
01:45:55,320 --> 01:45:57,880
Speaker 3: he's looking to get into refereeing. He's looking to if

2273
01:45:57,960 --> 01:46:00,959
Speaker 3: BKFC will have him to be a you know, trainer

2274
01:46:01,200 --> 01:46:03,960
Speaker 3: or an ambassador for what they do there. That that'd

2275
01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:06,120
Speaker 3: be a really nice sort of you know, evolution for

2276
01:46:06,200 --> 01:46:07,800
Speaker 3: him to to now be able to give back to

2277
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:10,760
Speaker 3: the sport just so much respect. You hear his name,

2278
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:13,880
Speaker 3: you just you know he hasn't It speaks for itself

2279
01:46:13,880 --> 01:46:16,479
Speaker 3: in terms of a real, real tough guy in this game.

2280
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:18,640
Speaker 3: So good to see as well, Luke, that he's not

2281
01:46:18,680 --> 01:46:20,880
Speaker 3: being carried out. He went out with a win and

2282
01:46:20,960 --> 01:46:22,599
Speaker 3: is able to say goodbye.

2283
01:46:22,840 --> 01:46:25,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no doubt about it. So yeah, that's our

2284
01:46:25,680 --> 01:46:27,600
Speaker 2: show by see. Well, we made it barely, but we

2285
01:46:27,640 --> 01:46:28,840
Speaker 2: didn't make it. How do you feel?

2286
01:46:29,720 --> 01:46:33,680
Speaker 3: Uh have mixed reactions. No, the team did a great job.

2287
01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:35,200
Speaker 3: They came in here and set it up. I don't know,

2288
01:46:35,360 --> 01:46:37,360
Speaker 3: maybe it's the Wi Fi, maybe it's whatever, Luke, but

2289
01:46:37,400 --> 01:46:38,840
Speaker 3: we we gutted it out, Luke.

2290
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:40,360
Speaker 4: That's what we do here in Morning Combat.

2291
01:46:40,400 --> 01:46:43,880
Speaker 3: So Luke, we have an abnormal schedule this week.

2292
01:46:44,680 --> 01:46:48,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're here for CBS Sports and MK. We're

2293
01:46:48,680 --> 01:46:53,720
Speaker 2: gonna cover whatever this Bellator stuff is tomorrow legitimately, don't know.

2294
01:46:54,760 --> 01:46:57,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, well we know is Bellatore is having a live

2295
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:00,920
Speaker 3: announcement at four pm Eastern in some so we'll be

2296
01:47:01,000 --> 01:47:04,120
Speaker 3: here to react to it or some some talk about

2297
01:47:04,160 --> 01:47:06,439
Speaker 3: us reacting live if we can get that going.

2298
01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:08,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we'll see a fingers crossed. So look for

2299
01:47:09,280 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 2: coverage tomorrow. I guess is what I would say. Keep

2300
01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:14,120
Speaker 2: it locked here YouTube dot com slash morning Combat obviously,

2301
01:47:14,160 --> 01:47:16,400
Speaker 2: you know, like the video, subscribe, plenty of content, company

2302
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Speaker 2: your way as usual, but then in particular, I guess tomorrow,

2303
01:47:19,680 --> 01:47:21,680
Speaker 2: so we'll see how things turn out. For that. You

2304
01:47:21,680 --> 01:47:24,160
Speaker 2: can see us everywhere on social media. Morning Combat is

2305
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Speaker 2: consistent everywhere. BC and I have slightly different names between

2306
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:29,720
Speaker 2: Twitter and Instagram. If you want to get anything in

2307
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2308
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2309
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2310
01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:40,720
Speaker 2: if you want to try Showtime, you certainly can. You

2311
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2312
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Speaker 2: BC's used condoms, and everything else in between. Thanks, he

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Speaker 2: doesn't believe in b see anything else before we get

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Speaker 2: out of here.

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01:48:00,439 --> 01:48:02,439
Speaker 4: No, I don't want I'm done.

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01:48:02,479 --> 01:48:05,760
Speaker 2: I'm done. All right, Yeah, there you go, alright. For

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Speaker 2: Brian Campbell for CBS Sports, for Malcha for Showtime. Appreciate

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Speaker 2: everybody tuning in today Until next time, May all of

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Speaker 2: your gains be loyal