WEBVTT - Too Much CFP, Not Enough Weirdness with Richard Johnson 0:00:02.000 --> 0:00:05.000 Welcome to the solid verbal hull. 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:08.160 That for me, I'm a man, I'm forty. 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:10.079 I've heard so many players say, well, I want to 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:10.640 be happy. 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:12.080 You want to be happy for a day? 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:13.520 Edo State is that? 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:14.400 Whoo whoo? 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:20.320 And Dan and Tye Jennery see welcome back to the show, 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:20.800 My good friend. 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:23.120 How are you today? Hey, feeling pretty good. 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:26.840 It was a rough start, but I'm feeling pretty decent 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:30.520 right now, especially given what we're doing today. I'm very 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:32.840 excited for this show. I'm very excited for this guest. 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:35.200 But yeah, a lot of sun, a lot of activity 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:38.479 this weekend, a lot of sports, and so you know, 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:40.280 I'm not in my mid thirties anymore, as you know, 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:42.680 once again, late thirties, early forties, So you know, I 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:45.640 really have to pace myself, get my sleep, get my fluids. 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:49.240 So I'm there, ty I am. I'm feeling pretty good. Well. 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:52.080 Our guest of honor today is one Richard Johnson, our 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:55.760 good friend from CBS Sports from split z Own duo 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:57.640 Dan used to work. He used to do a show 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:00.240 with Richard I did back in the day. So we 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:02.960 go way back with Richard, one of our favorite friends 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:08.440 in the entire college football industry. Complex media universe, whatever 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:10.200 you want to call it, or pleased to have him 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:11.480 back on the show. 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:13.640 This is a concept you came up with. 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:16.760 Yeah, things that we talk too much about, things that 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:19.000 we don't talk enough about, right. 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:24.520 Yeah, basically, And I include ourselves in this. I include 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:29.120 anywhere I am looking for college football, conversation, information, discourse, 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:33.880 whatever that. A lot of this is obviously driven by 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:36.720 engagement and what people respond to and what people have 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:41.560 opinions about and what people can argue about. But this 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:44.440 is a tapestry of a sport. We can go in 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:47.240 a number of interesting directions, and hopefully we try our 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:48.080 best to do so. 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:48.960 Tapestry. 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:51.800 But yeah, this is whether it's a team, a specific team, 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:55.240 whether it's a specific player, a topic, a line of thinking, 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:58.160 a way that a sport operates in a certain area. 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:03.880 I think we should knowledge what collectively we spend too 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:08.000 much time on and what we don't spend enough time on. 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:10.360 I know you have a sound, right ty, I do 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:14.560 have a yes too much. So as we head into 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:17.400 it's almost previous season here, we're going to do our 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:21.440 best to follow our own guidelines, and I think we 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:24.440 should spend some time examining. I'm excited. 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:27.359 Not just looking out, we're but looking inward. Exactly right, 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:29.720 little introspection here goes a long way. 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:31.680 Hit follow, hit subscribe. 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.320 If you are new here, we would greatly appreciate having 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:37.240 you with us. We will kick up our previous season 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:40.600 once we get to next month. Before we do, though, 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:43.200 we've got the show today with Richard. We've got the 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:45.200 show coming a little bit later this week. We are 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:48.160 bringing Sark Tank out of retirement. Actually I guess not 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:51.679 officially retired, but we just know. We do it once 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:53.680 a year with our friend Andy Staples from on three 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:57.040 from Yahoo Sports in the show that he's the shows 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:58.800 that he does with our friends. 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:04.000 Llinger and Ari Wasserman. And Andy's all over the. 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:07.119 Place, so he'll be back Godfree yep, giving us his yep, 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:11.800 Godfrey doing his investment advice with us on our Sark 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:13.880 Tank episode that will be to follow. 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:16.560 He's our lone Sark on this episode. 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:16.839 Right. 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:19.440 Well, I generally the way we. 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:23.520 Do it is I pose the concept, uh huh, and 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:26.680 then you and Andy discuss whether or not you want 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:27.240 to invest. 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:28.880 Oh okay, I'm a fellow Sark. 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:31.480 You're a fellow Sark. I play the affable host. I 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:34.360 am doing the pitching, and then you guys react to it. 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:38.600 You are the twenty seven year old pitching weird rubber 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:42.080 socks to put on your toes to help your posture. Right, 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:44.800 I'm the one coming out with the costume on, yes, 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:47.040 doing sort of the little pun thing that they do 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:51.240 to the appetite. Dun dunh. And we have the sounds. 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:52.240 I do the sounds. 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:53.840 So anyway that is to follow. 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:55.720 We've got a lot of fun in store for you 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:58.160 here throughout the month of June before we get into 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:01.200 our previous season. So if you like what you've heard 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:04.520 so far or along the way of this interview, follow 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:06.000 subscribe rate review. 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:06.680 You know the. 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:11.560 Drill sidebar, I absolutely would wear rubber socks to help 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:14.120 my posture. As I get older, I'll take whatever I 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:17.200 can get. Tie posture is important. I'm hunch over computer 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:20.279 too often. I try to stand in the standing desk option. 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:25.200 But to any potential inventors out there, soliverbal at gmail 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:27.039 dot com to help me improve my posture. 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.240 You're only as comfortable as your feet. 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:32.400 And with that, we are pumped, excited, thrilled to have 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:37.320 on Richard Johnson, CBS Sports Split Zone duo check out 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:38.799 their substack correct. 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:42.480 Yes, substack splits on duo dot com YouTube channel splits 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:46.360 on duo at college Football podcast. We're all over the place. 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:49.560 There it is. Yeah, Richard is now at this point 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:54.440 and is what mid twenties, well seasoned twenties. Richard has 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:57.000 been around for a minute. And Richard and I worked together. 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:59.479 We watched a ton of games in Brooklyn together. We 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:02.680 are now in living in different places, but we celebrate 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:06.000 and cherish all things Richard Johnson and we are today 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:11.600 going to do an exercise in sort of what we 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:15.640 and that's hard to define, but what we are speaking about, 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:20.040 perhaps too much as a collective college football conversation have 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:24.440 and perhaps not enough. Ty does that sound right? Is 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:25.520 that it does? 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:27.640 And I actually I have a sound for this Dan. 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:34.200 Too much? How okay? So Tye? As ty I know, 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:36.200 is our is our audio file? Here? 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:36.919 Like? 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:40.719 What's the bar for how much of that audio you 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:41.520 were going to play? 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:42.039 Unclear? 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:43.760 We don't want to get got We don't want to 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:45.120 get got here it is. 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:48.640 It is unclear, and I prefer we not talk about 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:49.280 it at all. 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:54.000 I think we can use it. Incidentally, we try This 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:56.360 is peeling back the curtain and the kimono a little bit. 0:05:56.760 --> 0:06:02.760 We try to find the almost like isolated vocals track, yes, 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:05.640 because that's a little bit cleaner both for the listener 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:09.400 and I don't think it will get the attention of 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:11.159 the digital ears in the same way. 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:14.080 Right. And also I believe if we frame it such 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:16.240 that we are critiquing the song. 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:22.160 Right, I think it's tremendous key register. Yes, the acoustics 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:24.840 to my ear sound very good. 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:27.719 If we frame it such that we're critiquing the song 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:31.680 at least every so often, I think we're good. I 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:33.720 think that's the way this works. So Dan, what is 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:35.719 it exactly we're doing here on this today? 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:39.000 So I think we are just going to present topics 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:42.719 to each other and to Richard, and I mean, obviously 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:47.360 it's a vague descriptor talking too much. We talk too much. Obviously, 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:50.040 our job is to figure out what to talk and 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:52.560 not talk about. But like I think these are we're 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:55.640 going to go through some general college football topics. We 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:59.719 can dip into teams as well if we'd like to that. Okay, 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:06.480 we're spending too much digital audio inc. Talking about blank 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:10.840 when really we should be talking more about blank. And 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:14.440 these are this is highly opinionated answers, but we're going 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:18.680 to try to defend our positions. Richard can come down 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:20.520 on a side. I mean, it's not this is not 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:23.000 like you and I arguing that you know one or 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:27.000 the other, but like, we're just sort of introducing discourse 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:27.880 about the discourse. 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:30.560 TI discourse about the discourse. Right, where do you want 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:30.960 to go first? 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:34.440 Yeah? All right, I have down here on my list. 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:39.920 We speak too much about playoff format one hundred agree. 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:44.040 I mean it is. It is the only major sport 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:50.520 of its size scale approximately that does this, which is 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:53.800 not just every now and obviously the NFL playoff expanded 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:55.760 the other day, Baseball expands every two three years. It 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:59.800 feels like whatever, it's every year. It's every single year. 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:04.320 And look guilty, all right, sports former sports illustrated journalist, 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:10.320 CBS sports journalist, got it guilty. It's dumb, it's like 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:15.600 and it's dumb from a coverage standpoint, it's dumb. From 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:21.600 an administrative standpoint, it is silly. Nobody asked for twelve 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:24.600 or twenty four. I actually think twelve is fine. I've 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:27.280 always thought twelve is fine. I think maybe you stretch 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:30.920 to fourteen with two buys two teams with buys, and 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:34.640 I can like live with it sixteen twenty twenty four, 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:39.600 forty eight thirty two, what like ridiculous. 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:42.360 What I'm saying is and I agree with everything you've said. 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:46.720 What I'm saying is I think us even talking about 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:49.760 or we even talk I don't know. Uh, the conversation 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:55.200 about playoff format is kind of futile. Like whatever is 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:58.560 gonna happen is gonna happen. It doesn't matter if literally 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:02.679 every single human feel one way. It's whatever the SEC 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:05.520 and Big ten can kind of agree on together we 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:09.200 have We can't call our local congress person, we can't 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:13.199 write letters, we can't demonstrate in the streets and affect change. Well, 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:13.720 I will. 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:16.760 Say this, if you did demonstrate in the streets, I 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:18.680 do think change could possibly be fact. 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:20.360 I think they would cower, they would fold like a 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:21.400 chief seat exactly. 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:24.920 This is my thing. The American sports fan is not 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:28.720 about it bout enough. There was a super League proposal 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:34.400 in European soccer that would have benefited the Manchester Uniteds 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:36.880 of the world. If you're not a soccer fan, the 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:40.360 club soccer teams that you can name, those teams would 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:43.480 have been in such a super league, and the teams 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:47.760 of many of those clubs marched in the street to 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:50.839 their effective financial detriment, if you really want to call 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:54.320 it that, like marched in the streets, we are not 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:57.360 bout about it, sending our little tweets and making our 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:01.120 little videos exactly saying that we don't like whatever format. 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:03.199 Greg Sanki and Tony Petiti, you're about to jam down 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:03.680 our throats. 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.360 So we have to gather people to go to Rosemont, 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:10.120 Illinois and March and Birmingham. Yeah. 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:13.640 So here's my theory. And maybe this is just like 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:15.000 a Galaxy brain take on this. 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:15.480 I don't know. 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:18.720 I agree with everything you guys are saying. Obviously I agree, 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:21.280 And to your point, Richard, you know, I'm fine with twelve. 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:24.199 I'd be as fine. I'd be fine up to as 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:27.520 many as sixteen. But that's sort of the hard cutoff 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:31.360 for me. How much of the playoff discourse do you 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:35.199 think is driven by the fact that it comes up 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:40.320 every year in March, April and May, when effectively nothing 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:42.600 else is really going on in college football. It's not 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:45.120 like this in say the NFL, where they've got a 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:47.880 constant twenty four to seven three sixty five news cycle 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:51.199 each month as a new thing. But college there is 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:55.600 this huge, gaping void of content, and that's when this 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:57.360 seems to sort of come up every year. 0:10:57.760 --> 0:10:59.840 Ty Well, I'm about to speak against my own interest, 0:10:59.880 --> 0:11:02.000 in our own interest. College football is not a twelve 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:02.480 months sport. 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:04.960 No, the NFL. 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:09.120 I don't think the NFL actually is, but they get 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:15.600 way closer because everything about the NFL's offseason points back 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:20.160 to the football. The draft is football, free agency is football, 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:25.200 even and boy do I hate this, even the schedule release, 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:28.360 which I hate with the white hot fire of a 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:32.800 thousand suns as a concept that points back to the football. 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:37.640 Everything about college football is offseason once, especially with spring portal. 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:40.760 Once we get done with the portal, I mean, if 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:42.920 you're into spring football, hey, I'm not gonna yuck yulms. 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:47.760 Outside of spring football, we don't have anything from February 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:52.480 until August. That's actual football. That's our issue. And so 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:57.560 we've got governance. Boy howdy, we've got mister Sankee and 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:00.559 company go into Washington, which is another thing that I'm 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:01.760 sure we talk too much about. 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:06.520 Yeah, I just feel like if they maybe gave us 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:09.559 one of those photo ops like the NFL head coaches 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:11.520 get when they all get together in Hawaii or wherever 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:13.679 it is, and Andy Reid's wearing the Hawaiian shirt. 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:16.160 You know, well, we get the like Destin, we get 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:19.480 like the SEC coaches wearing breathable fabrics on the on 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:21.640 THEA fine, we do get that stuff. We do get that. 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:23.520 Yeah, if we had more of those, maybe it'd be 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:26.600 easier to feel better about some of this off season discourse. 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:30.240 But as such, I agree with you guys, it's it's 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:30.800 a little bit. 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:34.040 Much, all right, So let's let's go positive. Sort of 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:38.360 not enough on the flip side. I don't think we 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:43.960 talk about even still the corporate TV network influence you know, 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:46.720 vis A VI, you know, Fox and Disney or News 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:50.319 Corp and Disney, and even talking about like the I 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:53.199 don't think we do. I think we talk about like, oh, 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:55.280 it's what the SEC wants, it's what you know, the 0:12:55.320 --> 0:13:00.079 Big ten wants. I don't think we collectively realize that 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:06.440 this is really an ESPN, Disney and Fox conversation about 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:11.640 like expanding the playoff for inventory and the the behind 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:15.360 the scenes tension we have between these two conferences, because 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:19.520 this is not just a competitive competition anymore on the field. 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:22.280 This is a corporate competition, Richard. 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:24.040 Could he frame this up as a positive? 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:28.160 No, I'm saying or not talk about it enough that 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:31.800 this is like the central warring, behind the scenes thing 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:35.680 with this sport. Okay, And I touched on this, and 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:38.319 I got a lot of push back when the Alabama 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:41.040 was selected for the College Football Playoff when I said, basically, 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:44.240 anybody talking about college football on ESPN? What was the 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:45.160 word I used. 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:49.520 Ty is uh compromise? Chris christ love that he loved 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:49.959 that video. 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:52.960 Yeah, we did get some We did get some messages 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:56.199 from ESPN people saying like, say, tell me what I've 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:57.480 said that's not accurate or something. 0:13:57.480 --> 0:13:57.680 You know. 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:00.480 I just think, and I've said this before, and this 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:03.840 goes for Fox people too, like you can't talk about 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:07.640 the sport and the structure of the sport in any 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:14.679 sort of meaningfully unbiased way because you are hosting the sports, 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:19.840 your your your bosses are paying for the rights to 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:23.360 broadcast the sport, and so are How am I going 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:26.120 to believe an ESPN person saying like an SEC team 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:28.520 absolutely belongs in the playoff in the same way that 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:30.800 how am I supposed to believe a Fox person saying like, oh, 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:33.360 well you have to put don't. I don't buy it. 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:38.320 Yeah, but I think you get Like, look, first of all, 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:41.280 as person who works for a television network, Like if 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:43.560 I would have told you a Big ten team belonged 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:46.880 in the you know whatever, pick sixth Big ten team 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:49.080 to get the playoff last year ahead of Alabama, Like 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:53.440 I'm not having conversations with the Big bosses on fifty 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:56.360 seventh Street about right, you know about that? 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:59.920 Like that's not but but I think the CBS NB 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:03.680 SEE employee conversation is different, all due respect because you're 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:05.440 not as heavily invested as a company. 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:07.920 Yeah. Sure, Now what I will tell you, and which 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:11.920 is just interesting, Yeah, is that I asked ACC Commissioner 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:17.040 Jim Phillips in May, what is ESPN's position about a 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:19.520 more than fourteen team playoff? And he was like, they 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.360 don't want it. Yeah, he said it, literally said it. 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:26.080 We're in a press conference. They do not want it. Fox, 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:28.360 who was obviously in lead with the Big Ten as 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:33.000 his CBS as his NBAC from a contractual rights agreement standpoint, 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:37.920 Fox is the one that's jamming the twenty fourteen playoff 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:40.720 or that's trying to jam the twenty fourteen playoff down 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:43.920 overy's neck here. Obviously, if the playoff goes past I 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:47.760 think it's fourteen teams, it has to go out forbid. 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:50.840 ESPN would own it if it went to fourteen I think, 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:53.280 or sixteen, but checking on that, if it goes higher 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:55.760 than that, it has to go out for bid on 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:59.160 the open market, in which case the price goes up. 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.080 Which is the point because if the price goes up, 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:05.040 basically the problem is we've got to bridge the gap. 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:07.360 And when I say we, I mean the conferences have 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:09.640 to bridge the gap between the revenue that they are 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:12.440 going to lose because they're going to get rid of 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:16.200 conference championship games. Right, that's two hundred fifty million dollars. 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:18.080 You've got to find the way to bridge that gap 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:23.200 with whatever the early rounds are going to net of 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:26.960 the expanded college football Playoff. That is the that's the 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:28.920 bugglep it right now. TI. 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:32.680 Do you agree? Do you think we speak about it 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:34.560 enough that this is a TV sport? 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:39.360 I think you and I have spoken a lot about it. Yeah, 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:42.000 I think we have talked a great deal about it. 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:45.040 You referenced it at the top here, when you introduce 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:48.720 this question, so I think to that end, Yeah, I mean, 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:51.920 at least on this show, we have definitely gone in 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:54.200 on that angle of it that it's there's a little 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:56.480 bit more than meets the eye. 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:58.960 Yeah, I would say this though, guys, I think that 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:05.119 I think that what is much more, what is a 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:12.240 much clearer conflict of interest or whatever? Is like Nick 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:16.200 Saban talking about Lane Kiffen right, yes of cour during November. 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:21.480 That to me is the much clearer like line that like, 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:27.239 not only did Lane Kiffen consultan Nick Saban personally, but 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:28.960 as we know in NIX, Saban and Lane Kiffin showed 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:31.119 the same agent YadA YadA, YadA like that to me 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:33.720 is the much more like what are we doing here 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:37.720 versus the playoff thing, which I'm like, ESPN's got a 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:39.520 studio show. They have to talk about the sport like 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:40.280 it is what it is. 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:42.920 Yeah, I would like to know, by the way, on 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:46.399 that note, I would like to have more conversations about 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:50.520 who is in business with whom, like who's sharing an agent? 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:50.920 Right? 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.840 I want to know more about connective tissue. Not because 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:57.680 I want to sort of form conspiracies out of thin air. 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:00.560 I just like to know, right, I would just like 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:03.280 to know the business connections behind the scenes in this 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:04.960 sports as much as I can. 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:08.800 I feel like you and I have talked a lot 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:10.879 about it. I also feel like I've seen a lot 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:13.320 of discussion about it, and most of it has been 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:15.520 in a negative connotation. It's never This is never the 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:17.879 kind of conversation that people are going to feel great about, 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:21.119 because what you're talking about is the business underpinnings of 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:23.119 college football, and nobody gives a rip about that. 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:24.680 People just want to talk about the football. 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:29.359 So I don't think I fully agree with you that 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:31.160 we don't talk about it enough. I feel like I've 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:32.879 seen a lot of it out there, and I know 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:34.439 we have obviously addressed it. 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:34.720 Here. 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:37.760 Can I switch gears and give one of my own 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:38.240 for Richard? 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:41.000 I will say point to Tie on that one, though 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:43.000 I will be in league with Tie on that one. 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:46.080 Okay, Richard, I don't want to make this a political discussion. 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:49.280 Oh boy as we always love, all right, We always 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:49.800 love when that one. 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:52.320 We always on city council. What are we talking about? 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:53.439 We have that disclaimer? 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:56.120 Game three NBA Finals Statedate, I can't even go down 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:59.199 by MSG right now because your man is deciding to 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:01.320 show up for Game three, and so they've shut off 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:03.240 thirty first, thirty second, thirty third Street. 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:05.679 Do you have any predictions for the uh, not not 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:07.359 for that, but for the actual game. 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:08.679 Is it gonna be a sweep? 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:11.399 They're up? I actually I actually want them to. I 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:14.119 want them to sweep or win in six or seven 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:16.879 because I'm not gonna be here for Game five, Okay, 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:19.399 and I want so. I just need the series to 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:22.120 not end in five is basically what I what I need. 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:27.119 I think we talk too much about the government's ability 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:32.240 or perceived ability to fix the quote unquote problem with 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:33.480 college sports. 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:35.200 Agree or disagree? 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:39.240 Yeah, whole heart I mean wholeheartedly agree. It's guys, if 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:43.000 they don't have this bill signed, sealed, and delivered by 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:48.520 the August recess. Basically when Congress says we're good for 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:51.200 like a month or so, this thing is not passing 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:53.280 because they're not going to pass this during the fall 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:57.840 and then have frankly, the Republicans, Trump and the Republicans 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:00.880 say we saved college sports while they're trying to win 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:04.560 seats on both sides of the legislature in midterm elections. 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:08.840 So you better get the job done now or I 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:10.560 don't know if we're going to get it done until 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:15.840 next year. It's football term. It's their helm, Mary right, 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:19.879 their hair, Mary is. Congress is Congress help us? Congress 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:22.280 save us because we've got one hundred and fifty odd 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:25.840 years of built up, pent up problems that nobody's wanted 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:28.280 to solve piecemeal. So we're all trying to solve it 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:30.720 basically wholesale after the fact. 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:31.960