Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hull.
Speaker 2: That for me, I'm a man, I'm forty.
Speaker 3: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to
Speaker 3: be happy.
Speaker 1: You want to be happy for a day?
Speaker 2: Edo State is that?
Speaker 1: Whoo whoo?
Speaker 4: And Dan and Tye Jennery see welcome back to the show,
Speaker 4: My good friend.
Speaker 3: How are you today? Hey, feeling pretty good.
Speaker 2: It was a rough start, but I'm feeling pretty decent
Speaker 2: right now, especially given what we're doing today. I'm very
Speaker 2: excited for this show. I'm very excited for this guest.
Speaker 2: But yeah, a lot of sun, a lot of activity
Speaker 2: this weekend, a lot of sports, and so you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not in my mid thirties anymore, as you know,
Speaker 2: once again, late thirties, early forties, So you know, I
Speaker 2: really have to pace myself, get my sleep, get my fluids.
Speaker 2: So I'm there, ty I am. I'm feeling pretty good. Well.
Speaker 4: Our guest of honor today is one Richard Johnson, our
Speaker 4: good friend from CBS Sports from split z Own duo
Speaker 4: Dan used to work. He used to do a show
Speaker 4: with Richard I did back in the day. So we
Speaker 4: go way back with Richard, one of our favorite friends
Speaker 4: in the entire college football industry. Complex media universe, whatever
Speaker 4: you want to call it, or pleased to have him
Speaker 4: back on the show.
Speaker 3: This is a concept you came up with.
Speaker 4: Yeah, things that we talk too much about, things that
Speaker 4: we don't talk enough about, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically, And I include ourselves in this. I include
Speaker 2: anywhere I am looking for college football, conversation, information, discourse,
Speaker 2: whatever that. A lot of this is obviously driven by
Speaker 2: engagement and what people respond to and what people have
Speaker 2: opinions about and what people can argue about. But this
Speaker 2: is a tapestry of a sport. We can go in
Speaker 2: a number of interesting directions, and hopefully we try our
Speaker 2: best to do so.
Speaker 1: Tapestry.
Speaker 2: But yeah, this is whether it's a team, a specific team,
Speaker 2: whether it's a specific player, a topic, a line of thinking,
Speaker 2: a way that a sport operates in a certain area.
Speaker 2: I think we should knowledge what collectively we spend too
Speaker 2: much time on and what we don't spend enough time on.
Speaker 2: I know you have a sound, right ty, I do
Speaker 2: have a yes too much. So as we head into
Speaker 2: it's almost previous season here, we're going to do our
Speaker 2: best to follow our own guidelines, and I think we
Speaker 2: should spend some time examining. I'm excited.
Speaker 4: Not just looking out, we're but looking inward. Exactly right,
Speaker 4: little introspection here goes a long way.
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Speaker 4: If you are new here, we would greatly appreciate having
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Speaker 4: once we get to next month. Before we do, though,
Speaker 4: we've got the show today with Richard. We've got the
Speaker 4: show coming a little bit later this week. We are
Speaker 4: bringing Sark Tank out of retirement. Actually I guess not
Speaker 4: officially retired, but we just know. We do it once
Speaker 4: a year with our friend Andy Staples from on three
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Speaker 4: that he does with our friends.
Speaker 3: Llinger and Ari Wasserman. And Andy's all over the.
Speaker 4: Place, so he'll be back Godfree yep, giving us his yep,
Speaker 4: Godfrey doing his investment advice with us on our Sark
Speaker 4: Tank episode that will be to follow.
Speaker 2: He's our lone Sark on this episode.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Well, I generally the way we.
Speaker 4: Do it is I pose the concept, uh huh, and
Speaker 4: then you and Andy discuss whether or not you want
Speaker 4: to invest.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I'm a fellow Sark.
Speaker 4: You're a fellow Sark. I play the affable host. I
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Speaker 2: You are the twenty seven year old pitching weird rubber
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Speaker 2: And with that, we are pumped, excited, thrilled to have
Speaker 2: on Richard Johnson, CBS Sports Split Zone duo check out
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Speaker 1: Yes, substack splits on duo dot com YouTube channel splits
Speaker 1: on duo at college Football podcast. We're all over the place.
Speaker 2: There it is. Yeah, Richard is now at this point
Speaker 2: and is what mid twenties, well seasoned twenties. Richard has
Speaker 2: been around for a minute. And Richard and I worked together.
Speaker 2: We watched a ton of games in Brooklyn together. We
Speaker 2: are now in living in different places, but we celebrate
Speaker 2: and cherish all things Richard Johnson and we are today
Speaker 2: going to do an exercise in sort of what we
Speaker 2: and that's hard to define, but what we are speaking about,
Speaker 2: perhaps too much as a collective college football conversation have
Speaker 2: and perhaps not enough. Ty does that sound right? Is
Speaker 2: that it does?
Speaker 3: And I actually I have a sound for this Dan.
Speaker 1: Too much? How okay? So Tye? As ty I know,
Speaker 1: is our is our audio file? Here?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: What's the bar for how much of that audio you
Speaker 1: were going to play?
Speaker 2: Unclear?
Speaker 1: We don't want to get got We don't want to
Speaker 1: get got here it is.
Speaker 4: It is unclear, and I prefer we not talk about
Speaker 4: it at all.
Speaker 2: I think we can use it. Incidentally, we try This
Speaker 2: is peeling back the curtain and the kimono a little bit.
Speaker 2: We try to find the almost like isolated vocals track, yes,
Speaker 2: because that's a little bit cleaner both for the listener
Speaker 2: and I don't think it will get the attention of
Speaker 2: the digital ears in the same way.
Speaker 4: Right. And also I believe if we frame it such
Speaker 4: that we are critiquing the song.
Speaker 1: Right, I think it's tremendous key register. Yes, the acoustics
Speaker 1: to my ear sound very good.
Speaker 4: If we frame it such that we're critiquing the song
Speaker 4: at least every so often, I think we're good. I
Speaker 4: think that's the way this works. So Dan, what is
Speaker 4: it exactly we're doing here on this today?
Speaker 2: So I think we are just going to present topics
Speaker 2: to each other and to Richard, and I mean, obviously
Speaker 2: it's a vague descriptor talking too much. We talk too much. Obviously,
Speaker 2: our job is to figure out what to talk and
Speaker 2: not talk about. But like I think these are we're
Speaker 2: going to go through some general college football topics. We
Speaker 2: can dip into teams as well if we'd like to that. Okay,
Speaker 2: we're spending too much digital audio inc. Talking about blank
Speaker 2: when really we should be talking more about blank. And
Speaker 2: these are this is highly opinionated answers, but we're going
Speaker 2: to try to defend our positions. Richard can come down
Speaker 2: on a side. I mean, it's not this is not
Speaker 2: like you and I arguing that you know one or
Speaker 2: the other, but like, we're just sort of introducing discourse
Speaker 2: about the discourse.
Speaker 3: TI discourse about the discourse. Right, where do you want
Speaker 3: to go first?
Speaker 2: Yeah? All right, I have down here on my list.
Speaker 2: We speak too much about playoff format one hundred agree.
Speaker 1: I mean it is. It is the only major sport
Speaker 1: of its size scale approximately that does this, which is
Speaker 1: not just every now and obviously the NFL playoff expanded
Speaker 1: the other day, Baseball expands every two three years. It
Speaker 1: feels like whatever, it's every year. It's every single year.
Speaker 1: And look guilty, all right, sports former sports illustrated journalist,
Speaker 1: CBS sports journalist, got it guilty. It's dumb, it's like
Speaker 1: and it's dumb from a coverage standpoint, it's dumb. From
Speaker 1: an administrative standpoint, it is silly. Nobody asked for twelve
Speaker 1: or twenty four. I actually think twelve is fine. I've
Speaker 1: always thought twelve is fine. I think maybe you stretch
Speaker 1: to fourteen with two buys two teams with buys, and
Speaker 1: I can like live with it sixteen twenty twenty four,
Speaker 1: forty eight thirty two, what like ridiculous.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is and I agree with everything you've said.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is I think us even talking about
Speaker 2: or we even talk I don't know. Uh, the conversation
Speaker 2: about playoff format is kind of futile. Like whatever is
Speaker 2: gonna happen is gonna happen. It doesn't matter if literally
Speaker 2: every single human feel one way. It's whatever the SEC
Speaker 2: and Big ten can kind of agree on together we
Speaker 2: have We can't call our local congress person, we can't
Speaker 2: write letters, we can't demonstrate in the streets and affect change. Well,
Speaker 2: I will.
Speaker 1: Say this, if you did demonstrate in the streets, I
Speaker 1: do think change could possibly be fact.
Speaker 3: I think they would cower, they would fold like a
Speaker 3: chief seat exactly.
Speaker 1: This is my thing. The American sports fan is not
Speaker 1: about it bout enough. There was a super League proposal
Speaker 1: in European soccer that would have benefited the Manchester Uniteds
Speaker 1: of the world. If you're not a soccer fan, the
Speaker 1: club soccer teams that you can name, those teams would
Speaker 1: have been in such a super league, and the teams
Speaker 1: of many of those clubs marched in the street to
Speaker 1: their effective financial detriment, if you really want to call
Speaker 1: it that, like marched in the streets, we are not
Speaker 1: bout about it, sending our little tweets and making our
Speaker 1: little videos exactly saying that we don't like whatever format.
Speaker 1: Greg Sanki and Tony Petiti, you're about to jam down
Speaker 1: our throats.
Speaker 2: So we have to gather people to go to Rosemont,
Speaker 2: Illinois and March and Birmingham. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So here's my theory. And maybe this is just like
Speaker 3: a Galaxy brain take on this.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I agree with everything you guys are saying. Obviously I agree,
Speaker 4: And to your point, Richard, you know, I'm fine with twelve.
Speaker 4: I'd be as fine. I'd be fine up to as
Speaker 4: many as sixteen. But that's sort of the hard cutoff
Speaker 4: for me. How much of the playoff discourse do you
Speaker 4: think is driven by the fact that it comes up
Speaker 4: every year in March, April and May, when effectively nothing
Speaker 4: else is really going on in college football. It's not
Speaker 4: like this in say the NFL, where they've got a
Speaker 4: constant twenty four to seven three sixty five news cycle
Speaker 4: each month as a new thing. But college there is
Speaker 4: this huge, gaping void of content, and that's when this
Speaker 4: seems to sort of come up every year.
Speaker 1: Ty Well, I'm about to speak against my own interest,
Speaker 1: in our own interest. College football is not a twelve
Speaker 1: months sport.
Speaker 3: No, the NFL.
Speaker 1: I don't think the NFL actually is, but they get
Speaker 1: way closer because everything about the NFL's offseason points back
Speaker 1: to the football. The draft is football, free agency is football,
Speaker 1: even and boy do I hate this, even the schedule release,
Speaker 1: which I hate with the white hot fire of a
Speaker 1: thousand suns as a concept that points back to the football.
Speaker 1: Everything about college football is offseason once, especially with spring portal.
Speaker 1: Once we get done with the portal, I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're into spring football, hey, I'm not gonna yuck yulms.
Speaker 1: Outside of spring football, we don't have anything from February
Speaker 1: until August. That's actual football. That's our issue. And so
Speaker 1: we've got governance. Boy howdy, we've got mister Sankee and
Speaker 1: company go into Washington, which is another thing that I'm
Speaker 1: sure we talk too much about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just feel like if they maybe gave us
Speaker 4: one of those photo ops like the NFL head coaches
Speaker 4: get when they all get together in Hawaii or wherever
Speaker 4: it is, and Andy Reid's wearing the Hawaiian shirt.
Speaker 2: You know, well, we get the like Destin, we get
Speaker 2: like the SEC coaches wearing breathable fabrics on the on
Speaker 2: THEA fine, we do get that stuff. We do get that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if we had more of those, maybe it'd be
Speaker 4: easier to feel better about some of this off season discourse.
Speaker 4: But as such, I agree with you guys, it's it's
Speaker 4: a little bit.
Speaker 2: Much, all right, So let's let's go positive. Sort of
Speaker 2: not enough on the flip side. I don't think we
Speaker 2: talk about even still the corporate TV network influence you know,
Speaker 2: vis A VI, you know, Fox and Disney or News
Speaker 2: Corp and Disney, and even talking about like the I
Speaker 2: don't think we do. I think we talk about like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's what the SEC wants, it's what you know, the
Speaker 2: Big ten wants. I don't think we collectively realize that
Speaker 2: this is really an ESPN, Disney and Fox conversation about
Speaker 2: like expanding the playoff for inventory and the the behind
Speaker 2: the scenes tension we have between these two conferences, because
Speaker 2: this is not just a competitive competition anymore on the field.
Speaker 2: This is a corporate competition, Richard.
Speaker 3: Could he frame this up as a positive?
Speaker 2: No, I'm saying or not talk about it enough that
Speaker 2: this is like the central warring, behind the scenes thing
Speaker 2: with this sport. Okay, And I touched on this, and
Speaker 2: I got a lot of push back when the Alabama
Speaker 2: was selected for the College Football Playoff when I said, basically,
Speaker 2: anybody talking about college football on ESPN? What was the
Speaker 2: word I used.
Speaker 3: Ty is uh compromise? Chris christ love that he loved
Speaker 3: that video.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did get some We did get some messages
Speaker 2: from ESPN people saying like, say, tell me what I've
Speaker 2: said that's not accurate or something.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I just think, and I've said this before, and this
Speaker 2: goes for Fox people too, like you can't talk about
Speaker 2: the sport and the structure of the sport in any
Speaker 2: sort of meaningfully unbiased way because you are hosting the sports,
Speaker 2: your your your bosses are paying for the rights to
Speaker 2: broadcast the sport, and so are How am I going
Speaker 2: to believe an ESPN person saying like an SEC team
Speaker 2: absolutely belongs in the playoff in the same way that
Speaker 2: how am I supposed to believe a Fox person saying like, oh,
Speaker 2: well you have to put don't. I don't buy it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think you get Like, look, first of all,
Speaker 1: as person who works for a television network, Like if
Speaker 1: I would have told you a Big ten team belonged
Speaker 1: in the you know whatever, pick sixth Big ten team
Speaker 1: to get the playoff last year ahead of Alabama, Like
Speaker 1: I'm not having conversations with the Big bosses on fifty
Speaker 1: seventh Street about right, you know about that?
Speaker 2: Like that's not but but I think the CBS NB
Speaker 2: SEE employee conversation is different, all due respect because you're
Speaker 2: not as heavily invested as a company.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure, Now what I will tell you, and which
Speaker 1: is just interesting, Yeah, is that I asked ACC Commissioner
Speaker 1: Jim Phillips in May, what is ESPN's position about a
Speaker 1: more than fourteen team playoff? And he was like, they
Speaker 1: don't want it. Yeah, he said it, literally said it.
Speaker 1: We're in a press conference. They do not want it. Fox,
Speaker 1: who was obviously in lead with the Big Ten as
Speaker 1: his CBS as his NBAC from a contractual rights agreement standpoint,
Speaker 1: Fox is the one that's jamming the twenty fourteen playoff
Speaker 1: or that's trying to jam the twenty fourteen playoff down
Speaker 1: overy's neck here. Obviously, if the playoff goes past I
Speaker 1: think it's fourteen teams, it has to go out forbid.
Speaker 1: ESPN would own it if it went to fourteen I think,
Speaker 1: or sixteen, but checking on that, if it goes higher
Speaker 1: than that, it has to go out for bid on
Speaker 1: the open market, in which case the price goes up.
Speaker 1: Which is the point because if the price goes up,
Speaker 1: basically the problem is we've got to bridge the gap.
Speaker 1: And when I say we, I mean the conferences have
Speaker 1: to bridge the gap between the revenue that they are
Speaker 1: going to lose because they're going to get rid of
Speaker 1: conference championship games. Right, that's two hundred fifty million dollars.
Speaker 1: You've got to find the way to bridge that gap
Speaker 1: with whatever the early rounds are going to net of
Speaker 1: the expanded college football Playoff. That is the that's the
Speaker 1: bugglep it right now. TI.
Speaker 2: Do you agree? Do you think we speak about it
Speaker 2: enough that this is a TV sport?
Speaker 4: I think you and I have spoken a lot about it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think we have talked a great deal about it.
Speaker 4: You referenced it at the top here, when you introduce
Speaker 4: this question, so I think to that end, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 4: at least on this show, we have definitely gone in
Speaker 4: on that angle of it that it's there's a little
Speaker 4: bit more than meets the eye.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say this though, guys, I think that
Speaker 1: I think that what is much more, what is a
Speaker 1: much clearer conflict of interest or whatever? Is like Nick
Speaker 1: Saban talking about Lane Kiffen right, yes of cour during November.
Speaker 1: That to me is the much clearer like line that like,
Speaker 1: not only did Lane Kiffen consultan Nick Saban personally, but
Speaker 1: as we know in NIX, Saban and Lane Kiffin showed
Speaker 1: the same agent YadA YadA, YadA like that to me
Speaker 1: is the much more like what are we doing here
Speaker 1: versus the playoff thing, which I'm like, ESPN's got a
Speaker 1: studio show. They have to talk about the sport like
Speaker 1: it is what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would like to know, by the way, on
Speaker 2: that note, I would like to have more conversations about
Speaker 2: who is in business with whom, like who's sharing an agent?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: I want to know more about connective tissue. Not because
Speaker 2: I want to sort of form conspiracies out of thin air.
Speaker 2: I just like to know, right, I would just like
Speaker 2: to know the business connections behind the scenes in this
Speaker 2: sports as much as I can.
Speaker 4: I feel like you and I have talked a lot
Speaker 4: about it. I also feel like I've seen a lot
Speaker 4: of discussion about it, and most of it has been
Speaker 4: in a negative connotation. It's never This is never the
Speaker 4: kind of conversation that people are going to feel great about,
Speaker 4: because what you're talking about is the business underpinnings of
Speaker 4: college football, and nobody gives a rip about that.
Speaker 3: People just want to talk about the football.
Speaker 4: So I don't think I fully agree with you that
Speaker 4: we don't talk about it enough. I feel like I've
Speaker 4: seen a lot of it out there, and I know
Speaker 4: we have obviously addressed it.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 3: Can I switch gears and give one of my own
Speaker 3: for Richard?
Speaker 1: I will say point to Tie on that one, though
Speaker 1: I will be in league with Tie on that one.
Speaker 3: Okay, Richard, I don't want to make this a political discussion.
Speaker 1: Oh boy as we always love, all right, We always
Speaker 1: love when that one.
Speaker 2: We always on city council. What are we talking about?
Speaker 2: We have that disclaimer?
Speaker 1: Game three NBA Finals Statedate, I can't even go down
Speaker 1: by MSG right now because your man is deciding to
Speaker 1: show up for Game three, and so they've shut off
Speaker 1: thirty first, thirty second, thirty third Street.
Speaker 4: Do you have any predictions for the uh, not not
Speaker 4: for that, but for the actual game.
Speaker 3: Is it gonna be a sweep?
Speaker 1: They're up? I actually I actually want them to. I
Speaker 1: want them to sweep or win in six or seven
Speaker 1: because I'm not gonna be here for Game five, Okay,
Speaker 1: and I want so. I just need the series to
Speaker 1: not end in five is basically what I what I need.
Speaker 4: I think we talk too much about the government's ability
Speaker 4: or perceived ability to fix the quote unquote problem with
Speaker 4: college sports.
Speaker 3: Agree or disagree?
Speaker 1: Yeah, whole heart I mean wholeheartedly agree. It's guys, if
Speaker 1: they don't have this bill signed, sealed, and delivered by
Speaker 1: the August recess. Basically when Congress says we're good for
Speaker 1: like a month or so, this thing is not passing
Speaker 1: because they're not going to pass this during the fall
Speaker 1: and then have frankly, the Republicans, Trump and the Republicans
Speaker 1: say we saved college sports while they're trying to win
Speaker 1: seats on both sides of the legislature in midterm elections.
Speaker 1: So you better get the job done now or I
Speaker 1: don't know if we're going to get it done until
Speaker 1: next year. It's football term. It's their helm, Mary right,
Speaker 1: their hair, Mary is. Congress is Congress help us? Congress
Speaker 1: save us because we've got one hundred and fifty odd
Speaker 1: years of built up, pent up problems that nobody's wanted
Speaker 1: to solve piecemeal. So we're all trying to solve it
Speaker 1: basically wholesale after the fact.
Speaker 2: Does this even solve it?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 3: Is my question? Like that's I think something.
Speaker 1: It is something.
Speaker 2: It is something.
Speaker 1: It is something. Yeah, I don't know that it solves it,
Speaker 1: but it is something.
Speaker 2: It also and people who are smarter about the way
Speaker 2: people vote and the way things do or don't move
Speaker 2: through Congress, they've put this at such a small percentage
Speaker 2: of ever passing anyway, And we are talking about this
Speaker 2: so much without there being a clear way that this
Speaker 2: can actually pass, Like I don't know. Everything I've read
Speaker 2: about it says just the way that people vote and
Speaker 2: the way that people prioritize how they want Congress to
Speaker 2: oversee various aspects of American life, it does not seem
Speaker 2: like it has any chance of actually passing anytime soon.
Speaker 2: As written.
Speaker 1: I do think this is also I also think this
Speaker 1: strikes me as something that if I were a I
Speaker 1: don't know, hypothetically billionaire who basically is trying to buy
Speaker 1: my team into the college well basically did buy my
Speaker 1: team in the college football PLAYFF, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: that's not negative. That's the game. Congratulations comes your money.
Speaker 1: If I was that person, and I was leading a
Speaker 1: very public charge to save college sports, I would use
Speaker 1: this as a bonafide, whether it passes or not, I
Speaker 1: would use this as a bonafide for my political future,
Speaker 1: whether that's running, whether that's continuing to be a kingmaker
Speaker 1: in the state of Texas or a Republican party. I
Speaker 1: would use this as a staking point for my reputation
Speaker 1: moving forward, because at least I tried to do something.
Speaker 1: But again, that's a hypothetical billionaire conversation.
Speaker 3: All right, let's switch gears here.
Speaker 4: Not enough, this is more of a question for you, Richard,
Speaker 4: because I actually, in a very very weird way.
Speaker 3: Feel like I could cut this one both ways.
Speaker 4: The broad topic of conversation here is arch Manning, and
Speaker 4: I bring up arch Manning. Here's why I bring this up.
Speaker 4: At the start of last year, everybody talked way too
Speaker 4: much about arch Manning, and arch Manning sort of at
Speaker 4: least initially fell short of ridiculous expectations. Also, fair Right
Speaker 4: got his head bonked, came back end of the year,
Speaker 4: finished the year really strong.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 4: Now going into the year, obviously Texas has gone out,
Speaker 4: They've spent money. Texas is going to be one of
Speaker 4: the eight to ten teams we talk about as a
Speaker 4: real contender, not just in their conference, but also I
Speaker 4: would say within the framework.
Speaker 3: Of the college football Playoff.
Speaker 4: I don't feel like, for whatever reason, in the run
Speaker 4: up to this season, I have heard as much this
Speaker 4: year about arch Manning as I did last year. And
Speaker 4: so I put the question to you, where are we
Speaker 4: at in terms of how much people are talking about
Speaker 4: arch Manning? Should we be talking about him more? Are
Speaker 4: you still picking up signals that we're talking about him
Speaker 4: too much? Where you add on this spectrum of arch
Speaker 4: Manning discussion?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually I actually agree with you. And it's
Speaker 1: been like me and Alex have kind of choked about
Speaker 1: it on our show that like, if I have to
Speaker 1: be the person that buys low on arch Manning, so
Speaker 1: be it.
Speaker 4: Like it's I have fully swung in the other direction
Speaker 4: in like kind of like a weird way.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I actually would tend to agree with you.
Speaker 1: I and I tend to agree with you because when
Speaker 1: you talk to people about arch Manning, you can tell
Speaker 1: basically who had one opinion or the other that's right,
Speaker 1: and then and then calcified their opinion after the Ohio
Speaker 1: State game and did not come back to it at all. Right, Like,
Speaker 1: first of all, first start ever against that defense, which
Speaker 1: certainly we didn't know at the time was as great
Speaker 1: as it ended up being. Obviously it's Ohio State going
Speaker 1: to be good, but it's Matt Patricia for God's sakes,
Speaker 1: Like how good could they really be relative to Sure? Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, approximate best defense in the country in his first.
Speaker 3: Start on the road.
Speaker 1: I feel nuts when I tell people that, like the
Speaker 1: throw he had to Jack injuries in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: or the touchdown he had to Livingstone in that game,
Speaker 1: as good as you want. And that was the first game.
Speaker 1: So yes, if you want to tell me that he
Speaker 1: that the first half of the season he did not
Speaker 1: meet expectations, sure, we've got to talk about the fact
Speaker 1: that he had like me and you at left guard
Speaker 1: like you've got to you've got to couch those You've
Speaker 1: got to give the context around the situation. Maybe he
Speaker 1: did not, maybe he was not the Sun, Moon and
Speaker 1: Stars in the first half the season, But you can't
Speaker 1: watch the back half of that season and tell me
Speaker 1: that that's not right about what you want from the guy. Now.
Speaker 1: I also think they are gonna light on offense at least.
Speaker 1: I think they are gonna light the sport on fire
Speaker 1: this year. I think they are gonna score a ton
Speaker 1: of points. I think cam Coleman is gonna make a
Speaker 1: ton of money based on what his connection will be
Speaker 1: with Arch Manning, and I think you're gonna see it.
Speaker 1: I'm still as in and if I have to buy
Speaker 1: low on him, I'll be that guy.
Speaker 2: I think there is uh, there's probably too much conversation
Speaker 2: around Arch that is too general, that is too much like, oh,
Speaker 2: I thought he was supposed to be this and that
Speaker 2: with that, and not having enough conversation about the context
Speaker 2: of Texas's offense last year. Now, maybe that's a product
Speaker 2: of like, Okay, there's just not as many people writing
Speaker 2: and doing video about college football at major places that
Speaker 2: are assigning somebody like okay, watch every single one of
Speaker 2: arch Manning snaps and chart. Okay, what am I putting
Speaker 2: on sark Dan?
Speaker 1: People don't know ball, you can say it.
Speaker 2: Well, it's not just that people don't know ball. It's
Speaker 2: just that it's much easier to reduce arch Manning to
Speaker 2: this throw against Ohio State or this interception against Florida.
Speaker 2: And it really has seemingly fallen on like the NFL
Speaker 2: draft industrial complex to like go through a lot of
Speaker 2: his throws and say, look at these drops from his
Speaker 2: receivers on tough throws where he's had messy pockets, and
Speaker 2: just to go through the context. I'm positive Texas writers
Speaker 2: and bloggers have done a pretty thorough job of this.
Speaker 1: People also also, people really want to dislike him because
Speaker 1: of his last name, and like I like, obviously I
Speaker 1: was not old enough for like Peyton and Eli, that
Speaker 1: whole industrial complex, right, But like when I sit back
Speaker 1: and like you like look at the Mannings, like what
Speaker 1: more do you want? Like they there's like there's no
Speaker 1: overhype of either Peyton and Eli, Like sure you could
Speaker 1: pick knits with Eli, but like, all right, man, two
Speaker 1: super Bowls, Like I don't I wouldn't Votehi for the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, but like he's probably gonna get in. Sorry,
Speaker 1: that's kind of how it works.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then Peyton's like approximately the best quarterback ever. So
Speaker 1: you can't tell me that the guy's sons didn't live
Speaker 1: up to any reasonable or even not so reasonable expectation
Speaker 1: you could possibly have had for him. All right, Right,
Speaker 1: so now it's his grandson, Archie's grandson. It he seems
Speaker 1: like he stays out of trouble. I understand that totally
Speaker 1: is crossed. He's not like on social media doing this
Speaker 1: that and the third It doesn't sound like he like
Speaker 1: extorted these schools for revshare and I owe money, like
Speaker 1: he certainly could have during his recruiting process. I'm Texas
Speaker 1: is paying him, and he got plenty of third party
Speaker 1: But like, when I look at arch I'm sort of like,
Speaker 1: I don't really more what you more?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: What more you could reasonably expect from a young man
Speaker 1: who is like who he is, doing what he's doing. Sure,
Speaker 1: you wanted to play better, and I think he will
Speaker 1: this season, but like he's kind of what you want
Speaker 1: to this point. And sure, as he gets more exposed
Speaker 1: during the draft process, maybe I may eat those words,
Speaker 1: But like the way I look at it now is
Speaker 1: he's twenty one, probably twenty two, Like I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like this is pretty much this is pretty much it.
Speaker 1: Like he didn't transfer, he stayed.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, gentlemen, I have breaking news.
Speaker 4: Texas Tech quarterback Brandon Soresby was granted a temporary in junk.
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ against.
Speaker 4: The NCAA on Monday and Lubbock County Court. The court
Speaker 4: ruling allows for him to play the twenty twenty six
Speaker 4: college football season. Apparently there will be a two game suspension.
Speaker 4: This is just breaking from our friend Pete Nacos over
Speaker 4: at On three about twenty minutes ago. So I am
Speaker 4: doing my best to scan this. I don't know where
Speaker 4: it goes from here, where the conversation and where the
Speaker 4: court situation goes from here. But this would obviously be
Speaker 4: a bit of a one point eighty based on what
Speaker 4: we have been seeing with regard to Soresby in his
Speaker 4: case or his to use Richard's term hail Mary to
Speaker 4: try and get back in the game here and avoid
Speaker 4: going into the NFL supplemental Draft. So at least that
Speaker 4: time of recording, and I'm sure there will be many
Speaker 4: more details to follow, Richard, we may be seeing Brenda
Speaker 4: Soresby after all, with.
Speaker 2: The honorable judge masked writer now who made this ruling?
Speaker 1: No, no, by the way, Dan, by the way, you
Speaker 1: know the judge who was the Texas tech.
Speaker 2: I know, yeah, use himself?
Speaker 1: Yes, uh yeah, I well it looks like, oh we
Speaker 1: doing work on this here Monday morning. I haven't read
Speaker 1: the decision and haven't called anybody about it. I'll do
Speaker 1: that off the show. But like the NCAA is going
Speaker 1: to appeal this, this is not over correct for our folks.
Speaker 1: As we say, it is ten thirty Eastern time on
Speaker 1: this Monday morning, so by the time you listeners and
Speaker 1: watchers see this, you'll have more information than we do
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 4: It's hard to believe that we're at a point now
Speaker 4: with this where apparently we have not talked enough about
Speaker 4: Britain source feed, because there's.
Speaker 3: Going to be much more to follow.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, by the way, on the last arch point,
Speaker 2: just before another Texas quarterback came into the fray, there's
Speaker 2: a weird element to all of this where and Richard
Speaker 2: touched on this a little bit where he came in
Speaker 2: and the sort of the narrative around him, aside from like, oh,
Speaker 2: look he's athletic and he throws a great ball, and
Speaker 2: look at his family lineage. Whatever is he's different than
Speaker 2: all these other quarterbacks, right that, Like he's not on
Speaker 2: social media, he didn't take nil money or rev share
Speaker 2: money at Texas, Right, So there there was this air
Speaker 2: of like, yes, he's the golden child, chosen one because
Speaker 2: of his last name. But also he's not like regular quarterbacks, right,
Speaker 2: Like there was this like weird godding up how different
Speaker 2: he was, and so when he struggled in some of
Speaker 2: those games, you're like, oh, it looks like he's human
Speaker 2: after all. Right, Ye that a collective we are also
Speaker 2: to blame for the way that he was perceived, right
Speaker 2: that he didn't trans Oh he's different in this era
Speaker 2: of constant change, he's a throwback, right.
Speaker 1: That's what y'all want you, that's what all y'all want.
Speaker 1: All you'll want to stay and stay for four years
Speaker 1: and play for the badge and play for the logo. Okay,
Speaker 1: you got it, and you got it from a guy
Speaker 1: who frankly doesn't need to do.
Speaker 2: That, right, But also that sets him up for you know,
Speaker 2: it's building somebody up to tear somebody down. I would
Speaker 2: love there to be more. So this is in the
Speaker 2: not enough category. More like the Texas offense was kind
Speaker 2: of a mess, right, and we had Cole kublick on.
Speaker 2: He was like, guys just got tackled in open space
Speaker 2: all the time. The offensive line was not particularly good.
Speaker 2: There were drops right that he was not put in
Speaker 2: a position to succeed all of the time. And so
Speaker 2: it's hard to say, let's extend him some grace when
Speaker 2: third year starting guy, right, he's number one whatever, and
Speaker 2: it's much easier to say, like, look at this dirt
Speaker 2: he dirted a throw against Ohio State than to like
Speaker 2: point out everything that went into his season. So I
Speaker 2: don't know. I wish we lived in a world where
Speaker 2: there was more of that, and it could be you know,
Speaker 2: synthesized quickly, but alas tied. Do you have another one?
Speaker 2: You want me to go to another?
Speaker 3: I have more, but europ you go, okay.
Speaker 2: I guess this is an easy transition with the Brendan
Speaker 2: Sorosby stuff. Too much gambling just in general, like it's
Speaker 2: not great, Like I don't need to see another commercial
Speaker 2: with John Hamm or Kevin hart. I just don't like
Speaker 2: that makes me feel weird, Like these highly produced what
Speaker 2: take your pick casino it feels kind of icky. I
Speaker 2: don't have a problem with people wagering on sports, let's
Speaker 2: be clear. I think that is a fun way to
Speaker 2: responsibly include some sort of outside thing with your sports fandom.
Speaker 2: I think it's fine. I think like the weird prop
Speaker 2: bet stuff and like the pervasive nature of broadcast networks
Speaker 2: trying to work it in. And it's not even just
Speaker 2: college football, it's NFL. I would just watch the French
Speaker 2: Open and they were just like going through like, oh well,
Speaker 2: these are like the cal she odds for the second set,
Speaker 2: and you're just like, guys, what, I know, these things
Speaker 2: are expensive and you don't have to find sponsor dollars
Speaker 2: and stuff, but like at a certain point you are
Speaker 2: just you're jamming in. This isn't like doing like the
Speaker 2: Pontiac game changing moment and all. That feels a little
Speaker 2: bit more organic, right you throw in uh, something like
Speaker 2: the I don't even know if Pontiac still exists as
Speaker 2: a company, but there is something a lib that has
Speaker 2: gone too far with and I'm sure you see it
Speaker 2: when you watch golf majors. I'm sure you see it
Speaker 2: when you watch any sport you're watching. But like the
Speaker 2: Brendan Sorosby stuff, I think for me has really highlighted
Speaker 2: when they talk about the depths of him, like wagering
Speaker 2: on strikes and balls, You're just like, oh god, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, man.
Speaker 2: That's how I feel every time I see John Hamm
Speaker 2: not as Don Draper on my TV.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, it's a treatise on capitalism, baby, it
Speaker 1: is totally is. It's the world you live in. It's
Speaker 1: it's the society you live in. Like there's unles you're
Speaker 1: gonna borrowm or Banham, which you're not. And you and
Speaker 1: when I say you, I mean leagues, networks whatever, they're
Speaker 1: gonna take the money. And the operators themselves, the DraftKings,
Speaker 1: the fandels, what have you. They are the thing that
Speaker 1: I like a lot of people don't. I think people
Speaker 1: intuitively realize this but don't actually realize this. It's really
Speaker 1: it is hard for these operators to gain more of
Speaker 1: a foothold than they already have in whatever state they're in.
Speaker 1: That is really difficult because if you think about it,
Speaker 1: if you're a person who wagers you don't switch apps.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you're a shark looking for the best odds,
Speaker 1: but ninety eight and a half percent of you don't
Speaker 1: do that. You just throw twenty dollars on whatever. And
Speaker 1: so because of that, you are brand loyal in a
Speaker 1: way you don't realize. And so because of that, the
Speaker 1: promo stuff and the one upness and the prep and
Speaker 1: the props, and you know, I'm sure sure people realize
Speaker 1: this and don't really care. But like same game parlay
Speaker 1: is like those odds aren't real. They're just making it up.
Speaker 1: Like regular parlays aren't awesome, but the same game parlays
Speaker 1: like actually shouldn't exist in my opinion, because they're just
Speaker 1: not They're not real it odds. So do I agree
Speaker 1: with you that it's too much? Yeah? Do I really
Speaker 1: think it ever changes? Probably not. I mean I think
Speaker 1: this thing is a it's a feature at this point
Speaker 1: in time, not.
Speaker 3: A bug totally.
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just talking about the user experience of
Speaker 2: watching content. And look, we have done content around it,
Speaker 2: we likely will again. But it's more just like, hey
Speaker 2: tis bad at gambling, and here are his picks, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna put in our game this.
Speaker 4: Year, we're gonna put a badge on any game that
Speaker 4: I picked so people know to go.
Speaker 1: The other way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what we're gonna That's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 5: I mean to your generational run, generational run general. I,
Speaker 5: by the way, I'm totally good with viewing the sport
Speaker 5: through like, okay, this is the three and a half
Speaker 5: point spread, or these are the win totals, and using
Speaker 5: it as a device to talk about how.
Speaker 2: We view a game or a season or something like that.
Speaker 2: I think that's interesting. But I'm more talking about you know,
Speaker 2: Jim Currier on the set at the French Open, or
Speaker 2: you know, Chris Fawler trying to force it in, or
Speaker 2: Rhys Davis or Joel Klatt or something that I was
Speaker 2: just like, guys, just I'd much rather hear about Arch's
Speaker 2: left guard than forcing this.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think the issue that I have with it,
Speaker 4: I mean, because we've seen this come of age. Right
Speaker 4: in the span of time that we've done this show,
Speaker 4: there was this moment I don't remember how many years
Speaker 4: ago it was, guys, it was a couple of years
Speaker 4: ago when suddenly it was very in vogue and this
Speaker 4: was the thing and I remember watching the opening week
Speaker 4: of the NFL and it was literally every commercial you.
Speaker 1: Remember, and that was when I remember. That was when
Speaker 1: DraftKings was not really gambling, but it was just the
Speaker 1: daily fantasy.
Speaker 3: It was just but but all of a sudden.
Speaker 1: I remember that.
Speaker 4: I remember that, and it was like, holy crap, what
Speaker 4: is going on here? They clearly have funded this so
Speaker 4: much that we have to eat it, And that feeling
Speaker 4: of being force fed this as a new reality to
Speaker 4: me was very uncomfortable. And I'm with you, like Dan,
Speaker 4: I've been a proponent of it for a while, like, dude,
Speaker 4: spend your money however you want to spend your money.
Speaker 3: I'm you know.
Speaker 4: We will continue making content around it to some extent.
Speaker 4: We've always found that betting lines are at least a
Speaker 4: useful data point to help convey and communicate just how
Speaker 4: to teams compare to one another. And I think, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 4: And I think a lot of our listening and doing
Speaker 4: audience is there with us. But certainly now as it
Speaker 4: has found its way into other ways, broadcasts, the way
Speaker 4: that games are covered, things of that nature, it's one
Speaker 4: thing to use it, I think as a tool to
Speaker 4: help convey which team is better. It's another thing to
Speaker 4: use it as a rather innocuous, hopefully source of entertainment.
Speaker 4: It's another thing to just have it be front stage
Speaker 4: center where you can't avoid it. And so to that end,
Speaker 4: Dan yea, I would agree with you.
Speaker 2: By the way, uh shout out YouTube TV four K
Speaker 2: option that doesn't show.
Speaker 3: Commercial Hell yeah, hell yeah.
Speaker 2: If you watch on YouTube TV, yeah you want to
Speaker 2: never I don't buy the so well, you're essentially paying
Speaker 2: to watch it ad free because if you if you
Speaker 2: click on that four K stream on I think it's
Speaker 2: both the ESPN and Fox. This is the case, right,
Speaker 2: I believe they just show a wide shot of the
Speaker 2: stadium lack commercial, so you can see the like TV
Speaker 2: ref who has the orange RM band and everything. You
Speaker 2: just see that and that's why I think I forget
Speaker 2: which game it was. Was it you could see people
Speaker 2: making out in the stands during commercial because of the
Speaker 2: four K stream that there were just it was just
Speaker 2: a wide crowd and field shot. So that is an
Speaker 2: option for people. If you happen to pay for it,
Speaker 2: you would know that you are not watching. You know,
Speaker 2: Jamie Fox, all due respect a huge talent, you know,
Speaker 2: extol the virtues of whatever casino.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does seem like I will be.
Speaker 2: You can find those extra five to eight ten dollars.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a business sixpence you guys are doing for you.
Speaker 4: It's a business expence. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Should I do it? Not enough to go ahead to
Speaker 2: sort of balance out the universe? Yeah, how about this one.
Speaker 2: I think this is something we can all agree on. Well,
Speaker 2: most of us can agree on fun acc Thursdays. What
Speaker 2: happened to fun acc Thursdays?
Speaker 1: What happened is you got the shield on Thursday nights.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, and it's it's a bummer. And
Speaker 2: the NFL eats everything but Lane Stadium on a Thursday night,
Speaker 2: or Louisville, n C State or Florida State, Boston College
Speaker 2: if Boston College is pretty good. Like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: that was so fun. And this is just me like
Speaker 2: old man yelling at clouding this whole thing. But I
Speaker 2: like having it. There's a little bit of a Friday
Speaker 2: night thing with Fox. Now you get some like pretty
Speaker 2: decent games, especially out on the West Coast. But I
Speaker 2: like Friday night Thursday nights. I'm around, I'm doing bedtime,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm doing whatever I can to live my
Speaker 2: life and to be able to come down stairs at
Speaker 2: eight pm, eight thirty four pm and just catch Louisville
Speaker 2: and North Carolina who are both five and two in
Speaker 2: the score is seventeen fourteen and they're going back and forth.
Speaker 2: I want to figure out how to get that back
Speaker 2: in my life because I would pay more attention to
Speaker 2: the ACC, especially living on the West Coast when I did,
Speaker 2: than I otherwise would have, because I got to watch
Speaker 2: basically uninterrupted views of a conference, just like we can
Speaker 2: with the MAC on Tuesdays and Wednesdays, And there was
Speaker 2: something cool about quality Thursday night college football.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Alex and Godfrey do the same thing our much
Speaker 1: like I I'm sure I am not nacessy. I do
Speaker 1: not necessarily bemone college football seating Thursday night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I don't know. I I just am who
Speaker 2: I am. I'm in my what late thirties, early forties
Speaker 2: tie and these are the things that I don't feel.
Speaker 4: Like that would be totally cool with nobody playing weekday games.
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, I am. I am more of the traditionalist
Speaker 1: and like like tis.
Speaker 4: Like just because you brought up the NFL, did I see?
Speaker 4: I think it's the Seahawks are opening the season on
Speaker 4: a Wednesday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's because it's because the the Friday game is
Speaker 1: the is in Australia. Okay, So they want those teams
Speaker 1: to get back with enough time to reset their body
Speaker 1: clocks because they're going to lose the day and everything
Speaker 1: like that coming back. So they're kicking the original Thursday
Speaker 1: opener to Wednesday. Yes, which has happened before. By the way,
Speaker 1: people don't realize it's happened. Happened. It happened. It was
Speaker 1: like a I think it was like a Democratic National
Speaker 1: Convention week or something, and they the convention was on Thursday,
Speaker 1: and so the NFL moved an opener to Wednesday. It
Speaker 1: has happened before.
Speaker 4: But my point here, the reason I bring this up
Speaker 4: this is when the NFL sort of lost me, when
Speaker 4: I stop being able to keep track of when all
Speaker 4: the games were you know, used to be. And this
Speaker 4: is I think part of my football so popular. It's
Speaker 4: a once a week there, once a week thing. You
Speaker 4: only got so many of them. It's a Sunday, it's
Speaker 4: you know, sacred for a multitude of reasons, especially if
Speaker 4: you're an NFL fan. That's when the games are played.
Speaker 4: You can build your whole week around it. It's something
Speaker 4: to look forward to on the weekends. Then we move
Speaker 4: on with our work week and we do it all
Speaker 4: over again seven days from now. But now I can't
Speaker 4: even keep track.
Speaker 1: You know, do you know the one that's going to
Speaker 1: kill the Thanksgiving Eve gameh yeah? Oh yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 4: So it's just it's too much for me. And so
Speaker 4: I would say, listen, I love myself a good matching game.
Speaker 4: If there is a good game on on a Thursday
Speaker 4: night or on a Friday night, clearly I'm going to
Speaker 4: watch this is you know, this is.
Speaker 2: What we do.
Speaker 4: But I think we talk too much about the weekday games. Personally,
Speaker 4: I'd be cool with, like, let's just play all on Saturdays.
Speaker 4: Is the way we used to.
Speaker 2: I have as a another not enough because I want to.
Speaker 2: I want to steer this to a positive place. I
Speaker 2: want more West Coast teams playing each other. We get
Speaker 2: some of it.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, Ty, there used to be a league
Speaker 1: a time before time.
Speaker 2: You might recall, thank you for explaining this to him
Speaker 2: where they did. Yeah, all play each other. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: write this day.
Speaker 4: I have a notepatter around here somewhere continue please reach
Speaker 4: we get.
Speaker 2: Sort of like these one off non conference stuff with
Speaker 2: I just wish there were conversations behind the scenes to
Speaker 2: make sure Washington and cal would play more so I
Speaker 2: can see Marshawn Lynch in the kart right, so I
Speaker 2: can sort of relive so many great West Coast moments.
Speaker 2: I wish that there would be like a former PAC
Speaker 2: twelve membership conference. They probably can't afford taran AA like
Speaker 2: Fox in the Big Ten, but they can afford some
Speaker 2: sort of holiday and express in Santa Cruz or something
Speaker 2: that they all get together and hammer out a bunch
Speaker 2: of Oregon State, Arizona, Stanford. UCLA's right that, like everybody
Speaker 2: is going to need non conference matchups. I don't know why.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know why. You know, we have a
Speaker 2: bunch of these games scheduled way out in advance. But
Speaker 2: I want to see a steady stream. Not like Orgon
Speaker 2: doesn't need to be playing Oklahoma State all the time,
Speaker 2: Oregon doesn't need to be you know, or not all
Speaker 2: the time, but a home and home. If we could
Speaker 2: get the West Coast teams just keeping the money out
Speaker 2: west in September, I'd be all in on seeing a
Speaker 2: steady drip of those home and homes announced.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here here considering what we have here with you know,
Speaker 1: Oregon flying to Wisconsin on October twenty fifth, exactly. Uh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm into that.
Speaker 4: Okay, I've got one place if you want to stick
Speaker 4: with things that you don't feel are being talked about enough.
Speaker 4: This is a team that I have discussed with a
Speaker 4: new coach that I am maybe unrealistically high on this year.
Speaker 4: And it also is a team that I think our
Speaker 4: good friend Richard Johnson has a personal connection to. I
Speaker 4: don't believe people have talked enough about the Florida Gators,
Speaker 4: and in particular one John Summrall. Agree disagree partially on
Speaker 4: summer All.
Speaker 1: I think some are all is awesome to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, Just like as a personality, if.
Speaker 4: I told you that John Summrall six months ago was
Speaker 4: at a bar and bit the head off a live bird,
Speaker 4: you would probably believe.
Speaker 1: Me absolutely as someone who has spent I don't want
Speaker 1: to say significant time with John summerl but spent an
Speaker 1: amount of time with John Sumrall one on one. Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: there is little to nothing you could tell me in
Speaker 1: that vein that I would not buy so in on
Speaker 1: summerw especially in a day and age where coaches are
Speaker 1: sanitized personality and and all that sort of stuff. Yes.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Regarding the twenty twenty six fighting Florida Gators, though, I
Speaker 1: would Let's let's relax, let's check back in.
Speaker 3: Okay, tell me why, tell me why?
Speaker 2: Tell me why? Because I think it's a good roster.
Speaker 1: It's funny.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: Okay, you're a Florida guy, so you can tell me why.
Speaker 1: It's funny because I think they have they have the best,
Speaker 1: they might have the best receiver room in the SEC,
Speaker 1: to be honest, it's good. Uh. And they have one of,
Speaker 1: if not the best running back rooms, at least running
Speaker 1: back in the SEC. It's mostly who's going to be
Speaker 1: blocking for the gants and throwing to the gants. That
Speaker 1: is a very open question. Now. I do think that
Speaker 1: Brad White and Buster Faulkner offensive assistant. Faulkner is the
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, Brad White the office White coach. Uh, excuse me,
Speaker 1: Brad White se defensive corner.
Speaker 3: Good lord.
Speaker 1: I do think what Florida has on offense from a
Speaker 1: coaching standpoint, in the bones of it, at the skill
Speaker 1: positions what you want. I do think it's going to
Speaker 1: take a little bit, especially with a quarterback competition that's undecided.
Speaker 1: I don't know what this offense is going to look like.
Speaker 1: Is Faulkner going to try to run the Haines King
Speaker 1: adjacent offense where quarterback was batting battering ram or are
Speaker 1: they going to try and do something with a that's
Speaker 1: a little bit more wide open and our Filo and
Speaker 1: Tremmelle Jones. Are they capable of doing that? Don't know.
Speaker 1: There were some people who wanted to tell you that
Speaker 1: Tremail and Jones should have played after DJ had the
Speaker 1: what was it six interceptions against LSU whenever that was
Speaker 1: last year, in last September, and it became a parent
Speaker 1: that Florida wasn't gonna get where it wanted to go.
Speaker 1: I think on defense, they're gonna be sneaky, really really
Speaker 1: like a physical tough there. I think they're gonna resemble
Speaker 1: more of a must shamp Florida, which is both derogatory
Speaker 1: and potentially complimentary at the same time, than they will
Speaker 1: anything you've seen from a mullen A or an ap
Speaker 1: Yer outfit.
Speaker 2: So to be fair to Tie's point, Florida, and I
Speaker 2: think everything you said is obviously correct. FAU Campbell and
Speaker 2: Florida State in the non con not terrible. There's not
Speaker 2: a lot to love about any of those teams in
Speaker 2: this moment. New coach and quarterback at Auburn, new full
Speaker 2: time head coach, ole Miss, new quarterback Missou South Carolina.
Speaker 2: Hopefully it's a better year for the game Cocks this year,
Speaker 2: but you can see some issues obviously with South Carolina,
Speaker 2: and that's at home. Texas is gonna be really good,
Speaker 2: George's gonna be really good, Oklahoma's probably gonna be really good.
Speaker 2: Kentucky new coaching, quarterback, Vanderbilt new quarterback, possibly true freshman.
Speaker 2: So I'm just saying.
Speaker 4: Also, also ole Miss coming to town one week after
Speaker 4: the game to l games with LSU, I mean, oh, it's.
Speaker 2: A great letdown spot for ole Miss and for Florida obviously.
Speaker 2: So situationally, I'm not saying it's great. I'm just saying
Speaker 2: it's interesting.
Speaker 1: For the Gators. It is, it will be. But as
Speaker 1: I like to say on our show, you're an SEC team,
Speaker 1: your schedule's hard. Yeah, big ten team, your schedules hard.
Speaker 1: Deal with it. You want Texas and Oklahoma in the
Speaker 1: league live with it.
Speaker 2: They catch the checks. As far as I can tell.
Speaker 2: The SEC and Big ten teams who have difficult schedules,
Speaker 2: they those do clear those. Sure, So that's okay, that's
Speaker 2: what the money's for. Ty, you have one. You want
Speaker 2: me to go ahead?
Speaker 3: Europe?
Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna say, well, we'll stay on topic here.
Speaker 2: Too much Big ten, SEC, not enough everyone else? Okay, there.
Speaker 2: I understand why we talk about the Big ten teams
Speaker 2: and SEC teams. These are the biggest teams in the sport.
Speaker 2: However you want to quantify big. I'm just saying, there's
Speaker 2: an incredible opportunity to be a college football hipster in
Speaker 2: a way like never before. Right, We've got the weird
Speaker 2: ass Pac twelve, We've got the Mountain West, We've got
Speaker 2: the American, We've got the Big Twelve, We've got the ACC.
Speaker 2: I'm not intentionally lumping in the Big twelve and ACC
Speaker 2: with other conferences. I'm just saying everyone else there are.
Speaker 2: You can get a terrific plate from this buffet of
Speaker 2: tasty food all season long. And I understand again why
Speaker 2: we're talking about it. The probable national championship for years
Speaker 2: to come. Is likely coming from one of those two
Speaker 2: conferences for quite some time, or Notre Dame, I guess
Speaker 2: if you're gonna sort of Notre Dame obviously fits in
Speaker 2: that size of program. I'm just saying, you have an
Speaker 2: opportunity as a college football fan, root for your team
Speaker 2: and then pay attention to whatever the hell's going on
Speaker 2: in TCU Houston. Right, there's so much meat on the
Speaker 2: entire the entirety of the college football carcass that you
Speaker 2: should explore alt cuts, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think that what people what people are
Speaker 1: missing and bemoaning the wackiness, the weirdness, like it is
Speaker 1: still there, Like it is still there in the ACC
Speaker 1: which just sent a five lost team to it's conference
Speaker 1: championship game because it's best team and it's nominal best
Speaker 1: team lost an extra non conference game but it didn't
Speaker 1: count because it was or excuse me, lost an extra
Speaker 1: conference game but it didn't count because it was.
Speaker 2: A non time breaker.
Speaker 1: So yeah, like that wackiness is still in there. It's
Speaker 1: still inherent. It's been cracked quite a bit, it's been
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's you know, you could say
Speaker 1: what you want about Cody Campbell I had on this show.
Speaker 1: But like Texas Yahoo billionaire buys college football playoff team.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Like that, that's that's what you want. You
Speaker 1: know that that like, that's that's that is in a
Speaker 1: way the soul of the sport that a lot of
Speaker 1: people feel is lost. It is still but yes, Dan,
Speaker 1: you do have to go find it.
Speaker 3: Texas Tech.
Speaker 4: Maybe for all the wrong reasons, but Texas Tech has
Speaker 4: very much been one of the primary stories of the offseason.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: Miami had a real shot to win that game against
Speaker 4: Indiana and the national championship. Miami obviously had a really
Speaker 4: good year. Miami is reloading yeah this year.
Speaker 2: So sorry, I should say SEC Big ten, Notre Dame.
Speaker 2: Miami right now is national championship caliber.
Speaker 3: Right, two group.
Speaker 4: Of six teams made the college Football Playoff. We could
Speaker 4: debate the merits of how they performed once they got there,
Speaker 4: but I think it's meaningful to your point, Dan, of
Speaker 4: being a college football hipster in the year of Our
Speaker 4: Lord twenty twenty six, it's meaningful that they got two
Speaker 4: teams in. So the rest of the sport is nothing
Speaker 4: of not interesting. Even on that high level of conversation,
Speaker 4: with regard to the national sure and how all of
Speaker 4: these teams fit into the playoff and national championship side
Speaker 4: of it. But I would contend even a step beyond that.
Speaker 4: We've got new teams coming into new conferences this year,
Speaker 4: like the North Dakota State story is going to be
Speaker 4: really interesting for people who genuinely care about college football.
Speaker 4: The fact that Sacramento State is apparently a MAC team.
Speaker 3: I don't know how good.
Speaker 4: They're going to be, but there's there's that to your point, Richard,
Speaker 4: of it's still being kind of weird. The weirdness is abound,
Speaker 4: and the weirdness is still omnipresent in all of the
Speaker 4: other college football conferences outside of the Big Ten in
Speaker 4: the SEC, which by the way, has its own share
Speaker 4: of weirdness for sure. So I'm with you, like we
Speaker 4: always try to talk it up on this show that
Speaker 4: you know there are other conferences. I mean, just because
Speaker 4: we've got the biggest teams I guess in those two
Speaker 4: is the reason that we have to spend so much
Speaker 4: time talking about it.
Speaker 1: But well, Ty, it's because I think it's and this
Speaker 1: is I think unfair, but it is the way the world.
Speaker 1: It's now more incumbent and inherent on the viewer to
Speaker 1: go find it, right, Yeah, like you have to go
Speaker 1: find I mean they put big twelve games behind the
Speaker 1: ESPN plus paywall, you know what I'm saying, Like you
Speaker 1: got to go find that now versus channel surfing and
Speaker 1: you know, sorry type Penn State's losing to whoever the
Speaker 1: hell in some weird snowy game and you know, like,
Speaker 1: what the hell is going on here like that? You
Speaker 1: know that's on peacock now sometimes you know, like it
Speaker 1: the weirdness is still there, but you got to go
Speaker 1: find it. And you know, a lot of treatises on
Speaker 1: capitalism on this show, but that's treaty. There's another treatise
Speaker 1: on capitalistm.
Speaker 2: Okay, there's So my sidebar is there is real potential
Speaker 2: if sax State is a mess, because look, they lost
Speaker 2: their head coach who decided to now what, Brendan Marion
Speaker 2: is now the offensive coordinator of Colorado, right right, right,
Speaker 2: So they lose their head coach, they make a change. Obviously,
Speaker 2: if sax State does not work out in year one,
Speaker 2: the city of Sacramento could have the Kings, a bad
Speaker 2: MAC team and they're in the weird middle holding pattern
Speaker 2: of the Oakland A's between Oakland and Vegas, all in
Speaker 2: the same geographical place. Sacramento might have a case as
Speaker 2: the saddest sports city in America if sax State does
Speaker 2: not work out in the Max where the King the King,
Speaker 2: if Macremento doesn't work.
Speaker 1: The Kings were decent last year, but missed the playoffs
Speaker 1: this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they missed the playoffs this year. They were good
Speaker 2: with Mike Brown a couple of years ago when it
Speaker 2: was like Darren Fox and they had traded Tyres Halberton
Speaker 2: before then. But they made the playoffs. So the first
Speaker 2: time in like nineteen years, you know, two or three
Speaker 2: years ago, and played the Warriors and then immediately.
Speaker 1: Did Jack to workouts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, Sacramento does have a weird opportunity here.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 4: So I have I have two guys here that I
Speaker 4: am I'm curious to get your opinions on two new coaches. Richard,
Speaker 4: I know you've done reporting on Kyle whitting him. I'm
Speaker 4: curious have we talked too much or not enough about
Speaker 4: whitting him? And secondly, Dan, because I know you and
Speaker 4: I both have a thing for this guy, I'm curious
Speaker 4: to get both of your takes on one.
Speaker 3: Robert Edward Chesney out at UCLA.
Speaker 1: In on the ladder tepid optimism about the former I am.
Speaker 1: I think I cannot wait to watch Bryce Underwood in
Speaker 1: this offense, given the structure of this offense, given that
Speaker 1: they are going to run the piss out of the
Speaker 1: ball with him. What I'm a little concerned about is
Speaker 1: the throwing aspect of offensive football. I don't know how
Speaker 1: that's gonna work for Michigan, and I do think maybe
Speaker 1: they got a little bit better receiver. I like Andrew
Speaker 1: marsh as a receiver, so I like sort of what
Speaker 1: they have. But the returns if you, if you talk
Speaker 1: to some folks up there in arbor about the passing game,
Speaker 1: is that we're not going to really like what we see.
Speaker 1: So when Breent vettibles comes to calling in week three,
Speaker 1: two two, I think, I don't know that that is
Speaker 1: going to go so well for the boys in Mason Blue.
Speaker 1: But UCLA, yeah, man, let's do it.
Speaker 2: I'm interested their UCLA is you can you can tell
Speaker 2: a lot by recruiting, and it's not just who's committing right.
Speaker 2: They're getting visits, there's energy there. They're they're trying in
Speaker 2: a way that they really didn't obviously the last couple
Speaker 2: of years, but certainly under Chip Kelly that they thought
Speaker 2: they could. They just did a worse version of the
Speaker 2: Kurt Signetti Indiana thing, And in retrospect, Chip did a
Speaker 2: pretty good job at UCLA, like without like trying to
Speaker 2: recruit to the full power of the UCLA brand.
Speaker 1: That pretty well without actively recruiting.
Speaker 2: Like they just I think they just hosted a five
Speaker 2: star receiver from New Jersey at UCLA, and you know
Speaker 2: what they should. It's UCLA. It's a big name program
Speaker 2: and a big conference, and there's big opportunity to play
Speaker 2: early and they have like a I mean they'll finish
Speaker 2: with the top fifteen class or something like that, which
Speaker 2: we haven't been able to say in quite some time
Speaker 2: about UCLA. I know they're higher than that right now,
Speaker 2: but there seems to be a good amount of energy
Speaker 2: at UCLA for the first time in a while, and
Speaker 2: so I still don't think we're talking enough about it.
Speaker 2: Like there's just a huge opportunity, given the size of
Speaker 2: that school and given what they've done in sports in general,
Speaker 2: for them to make a serious move in this climate
Speaker 2: of college football where you can get better in two years.
Speaker 4: I think the Chesney thing is very underserved right now,
Speaker 4: and I'm hoping that this goes as well as it.
Speaker 3: I mean, the vibes are good.
Speaker 4: So if the vibes are any indication as to what's
Speaker 4: to come for UCLA this year, it will very much
Speaker 4: be the case three months down the line where you
Speaker 4: and I are like, yeah, we didn't talk about Bob
Speaker 4: Chesney and UCLA. The Whittingham thing, to me is just
Speaker 4: really interesting, and I think it's more a matter of
Speaker 4: which topic you're choosing to address when you talk about Whittingham,
Speaker 4: because clearly we talked about him a great deal when
Speaker 4: he stepped in.
Speaker 3: The timing all aligned.
Speaker 4: They needed somebody who was more of an adult than
Speaker 4: the previous guy, Right, they get Whittingham, whether he falls
Speaker 4: off the back of a truck because Utah pushes him out,
Speaker 4: or maybe just one of the job, whatever the case.
Speaker 4: We talked about it a fair amount when Whittingham took
Speaker 4: that job, But now I almost feel like we're not
Speaker 4: talking about it enough. With respect to the whole Bryce
Speaker 4: Underwood thing. As he brought up, Richard, what is that.
Speaker 2: Going to look like?
Speaker 4: We know they're going to run with him more. They've
Speaker 4: already sort of gone on record and saying we're going
Speaker 4: to use his athleticism as part of the offensive attack.
Speaker 4: But Whittingham developing a quarterback the likes of a Bryce Underwood,
Speaker 4: who obviously came in with much acclaim, I don't know
Speaker 4: if we have a whole Like there's not a lot
Speaker 4: of body of work for that with respect to what
Speaker 4: he did out at Utah, and so I'm just curious
Speaker 4: to see what that's going to look like moving forward.
Speaker 4: This to me also feels like the kind of thing
Speaker 4: we're going to get a month into the year and
Speaker 4: we're going to be like, oh man, we probably should
Speaker 4: have talked about the ramifications of this higher a little
Speaker 4: bit more. The counterpoint, I guess would be, Dan, you're
Speaker 4: a huge beckhead, right of course always, so you know,
Speaker 4: there could be a nice little like meeting of the minds.
Speaker 4: They could find a way to unlock Underwood in a
Speaker 4: way that we haven't seen previously. But I just I'm
Speaker 4: very curious to see how this goes in the first
Speaker 4: couple weeks of the season and think back to maybe
Speaker 4: this conversation put a pin in it, and think maybe
Speaker 4: in retrospect, maybe we should have addressed it in a
Speaker 4: more meaningful way in the off season.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it is going to come
Speaker 1: down to how they show in that Olklahoma game, like
Speaker 1: it's it's it's going to be the only game in
Speaker 1: town pretty much that weekend because the September slight is
Speaker 1: just oh good, and and you're going to have a
Speaker 1: lot of I don't there's no way Oklahoma plays anybody
Speaker 1: week one. If you're playing Texas week or excuse me,
Speaker 1: if you're playing Michigan week two. So Oklahoma's gonna be
Speaker 1: able to come into that game having not really shown anything.
Speaker 1: It's if Michigan goes out there and Venables throws the
Speaker 1: fastball and they score thirteen points, it's gonna I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna tank the conversation. But if they go out
Speaker 1: there and he shows and they play well, okay, then
Speaker 1: I think you really rocketship take off as far as
Speaker 1: underwood Stock and Whittingham and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I okay. So when you look at Michigan's schedule
Speaker 2: this year in terms of what we are or not
Speaker 2: talking enough about, Yes, they have the Oklahoma game week two,
Speaker 2: that's September twelfth. They have Iowa a couple of weeks
Speaker 2: of not obviously excellent defenses. Then they have Indiana and
Speaker 2: it's at home, Rutgers in Michigan State, Oregon on the road.
Speaker 2: Whatever UCLA's defense is this year for Ohio State, there
Speaker 2: are kind of development. I don't want to be insulting
Speaker 2: to any of those teams, but there's no gauntlet of
Speaker 2: like incredible defenses that could really smash Michigan's offensive attempts.
Speaker 2: If they're trying to throw the ball downfield, like you
Speaker 2: will have some moments to take shots and develop a
Speaker 2: passing game against this schedule. That's an optimistic way of
Speaker 2: looking at what their offensive upside is. I think something
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, Ty, do you have any more?
Speaker 2: Are we good?
Speaker 4: I'm good on my end? Okay, how do you want
Speaker 4: to close this out?
Speaker 2: I have confidence scheduling not enough, I have PAC twelve
Speaker 2: name shaming. I'm okay with the there being this conference
Speaker 2: of teams, we don't need to call the pass.
Speaker 1: You know what I realized I.
Speaker 4: Was when I was putting together some of our kind
Speaker 4: of like the skeleton for our previous this year, Dan, Yeah,
Speaker 4: all eight teams in the PAC twelve have state as
Speaker 4: a suffix in the team name.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. The Pac twelve shaming that goes under the radar,
Speaker 1: is there absolutely farcical like brand identity thing. Yes, they
Speaker 1: released a couple months ago, maybe at this point in
Speaker 1: time that really went under the radar as a thing
Speaker 1: that should have been just pilloried to high heaven.
Speaker 2: Yes, agree, But yeah, there's I don't know, I take
Speaker 2: your like premium, we can take Sports Illustrated right when
Speaker 2: a premium brand is like, no, we're still in business
Speaker 2: and it's just gonna look a little bit different and
Speaker 2: we're going to try to like, uh sell you on
Speaker 2: this even though it's not nearly as premium. I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm just not okay with a five star restaurant starting
Speaker 2: to sell like dollar cheloupas, Like.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine Sports ill doing that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course not. I have down here weekly travel
Speaker 2: grind and scheduling talk I had. I didn't dip into
Speaker 2: this until like a few years ago. And you mentioned
Speaker 2: this too with like some NFL scheduling stuff, Like I
Speaker 2: think we should be talking more about because the co
Speaker 2: which we'll talk about it. I think we should just
Speaker 2: be putting more attention in spotlight on the weird play
Speaker 2: a late night Saturday game on the road, and then
Speaker 2: have to play a Thursday game next week.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, all right, Thursday game okay, right, like short
Speaker 1: week after late night road game.
Speaker 2: Right, there's the weird stuff that you're just like, I'm
Speaker 2: not saying we should make excuses, but we should just
Speaker 2: we should show the realities, especially as these teams are,
Speaker 2: you know, as cal is playing at Wake Forest or something.
Speaker 2: I will we want to talk about that.
Speaker 1: I will allow you short week.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I will basically not allow any schedule complaining, travel complaining
Speaker 1: from football teams for anything else. I don't care. It's
Speaker 1: one game of the week you fly charter, Like, talk
Speaker 1: to me about your softball team that's flying from Wisconsin
Speaker 1: to Yeen on a Tuesday in March, Like, that's what
Speaker 1: I want to hear about. I do not want to
Speaker 1: hear about football team, but I will grant you yes week.
Speaker 2: Okay, the weird short week stuff, I at least want
Speaker 2: to acknowledge some weird even flying West coast or East coast.
Speaker 2: I want to say Clemson is playing like a col
Speaker 2: game at something like ten or eleven pm Clemson time,
Speaker 2: like body time. There's something just they're just the weirdness
Speaker 2: of it all. I'm not saying we should feel bad,
Speaker 2: but we should acknowledge the weirdness of some of these
Speaker 2: scheduling decisions and challenges that a lot of these teams are.
Speaker 1: Going to have.
Speaker 2: I think that's kind of it for me, the last
Speaker 2: one I have here to end on a light note.
Speaker 2: Not enough bulls doing weird stuff. Guys lean into it
Speaker 2: like we're going to talk about games where offensive lines
Speaker 2: are decimated because of transfers. We're going to talk about
Speaker 2: games where secondaries are gone. You're going to talk about
Speaker 2: a game that should have featured Notre Dame but they
Speaker 2: just got a little bit mad.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh Dan, absolutely yeah. Can you believe that
Speaker 1: Notre Dame famously anytime anywhere? Anything?
Speaker 4: I think that solved your time we have for today.
Speaker 4: We're gonna run out of time here on this little
Speaker 4: thing that we Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, play the game, exactly, play the game.
Speaker 2: I know that they were gonna have like forty five
Speaker 2: opt outs or something like that. Don't care, lay, don't care.
Speaker 2: And that was one of the fun games.
Speaker 1: Florida State playing got absolutely decimated by Georgia is what
Speaker 1: it is. Man.
Speaker 2: They showed up. Yes, there is there is something. I'm
Speaker 2: just saying, just in general bowls, if you are going
Speaker 2: to be looked down on as a lesser thing compared
Speaker 2: to the playoff, great, have crazy mascots, have crazy stunts,
Speaker 2: do weird things with your CEOs who nobody really understands
Speaker 2: why there's a CEO of the what are the Motor
Speaker 2: City Bowl or something like that. There should be you
Speaker 2: should lean into the absurd with these bowl games. We
Speaker 2: should be dumping more MAO on more people, even if
Speaker 2: the game sponsor isn't mayonnaise. That should just be a thing.
Speaker 2: I'm just all for turning this into just lowering stacks
Speaker 2: of bills in a bird cage onto midfield. Right, do
Speaker 2: whatever you have to do. I love like the minor leagueization,
Speaker 2: the you know when the Fresno team is the Tacos
Speaker 2: for a night. I'm all for all of this. Give
Speaker 2: me a reason. So that's my last thing that there's
Speaker 2: just not enough of.
Speaker 4: All righty, why don't we leave it there. His name
Speaker 4: is Richard Johnson. He does fine work, of course for
Speaker 4: CBS Sports. Go and check him out Split Zone Duo,
Speaker 4: a wonderful show he does with our friend Alex Kirshner,
Speaker 4: and I guess. On on occasion, Stephen Godfrey still pops out.
Speaker 3: Godfrey pops by. Make sure you check him out, Richard,
Speaker 3: what is it?
Speaker 2: I guess?
Speaker 3: What is your schedule looking like now?
Speaker 4: Over the next however, many weeks and months, as we
Speaker 4: sort of round the bend into previews season, getting ready
Speaker 4: for the college football season, there's a lot going on.
Speaker 1: There's going to be a trip to Europe coming up
Speaker 1: here pretty soon. Last year, obviously we knew this was
Speaker 1: happening for weeks in advent But last year I was
Speaker 1: literally on the tarmac about to taxi and take off
Speaker 1: to go to Barcelona when the house case like got
Speaker 1: like announced, as like it went through the year before.
Speaker 1: I was in Portugal when Pat Fitzgerald got fired, Like
Speaker 1: I remember, I got the alert from whatever, and I
Speaker 1: was like, damn, that's crazy, super not my problem.
Speaker 4: So what you're saying is you're going to be away
Speaker 4: and something else is going to happen that we don't
Speaker 4: know about yet.
Speaker 1: Yes, when I am in Amsterdam at the end of July,
Speaker 1: something will pop off, clearly.
Speaker 2: So what when you were on the beaches of Portugal,
Speaker 2: what did Christiano have to say about Pat Fitzgerald and
Speaker 2: how that was going to affect the Big ten hierarchy.
Speaker 1: That's between me and me and c R seven.
Speaker 2: And mister Ronaldo. Fair enough, Just Richard Johnson hobnobbing with
Speaker 2: the stars overseas.
Speaker 1: Love over goatto, fellas, take.
Speaker 3: Care all right, there go Richard Johnson, jack him out.
Speaker 4: CBS Sports Split Zone duo does a fabulous job. As
Speaker 4: I said at the top, one of our best friends
Speaker 4: in the industry, a really, really good dude. I didn't
Speaker 4: get a chance to get out and play golf with Richard.
Speaker 2: That's right. You had your yeah, your inter college football
Speaker 2: golf outing. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4: We didn't last year, and I'm assuming we won't be
Speaker 4: able to work it in this year either. So we
Speaker 4: got to make that happen at some point in the
Speaker 4: very near future.
Speaker 3: I misplaying with Richard.
Speaker 2: Where do you think you stack up in the greater
Speaker 2: digital college football universe? Like, do you think you would
Speaker 2: be on the leaderboard if it was a full like
Speaker 2: thirty two person field. Do you think you mean like
Speaker 2: finish top ten?
Speaker 4: How they do like a creator classic? Yes for golf
Speaker 4: influencers and creators, But.
Speaker 2: You're I'm talking Nicole hour Back. I'm talking Bruce Feldman,
Speaker 2: I'm talking, Oh wow, take your pick around the universe
Speaker 2: the tapestry once again, that that makes up this sport. Right,
Speaker 2: You've got Dave Revsen here, You've got Chris Lowe there,
Speaker 2: you take your pick. Right of all we potentially could.
Speaker 3: Golf, are we including like Joel Klatt in.
Speaker 2: This is he was he like a scratch golfer something.
Speaker 3: I think Klat's like a scratch golfer.
Speaker 2: He has a podcast that does appear online, so he
Speaker 2: counts as.
Speaker 4: So he's I mean, he's definitely better than me. And
Speaker 4: I think I saw the canal's pretty good too. Okay,
Speaker 4: two former quarterbacks, so maybe shouldn't comes a huge surprise
Speaker 4: that he's.
Speaker 2: Your former second basement good.
Speaker 4: At everything athletic. But I I could hold my own.
Speaker 4: I don't know how many people were talking here, but
Speaker 4: if we're talking like twenty twenty five thirty people that
Speaker 4: are kind of involved in this whole content thing that
Speaker 4: we do, right, I think I could.
Speaker 3: I could find my way into the top ten.
Speaker 2: I think Bud Elliott's a golfer. Yeah, I don't. I
Speaker 2: don't know what his handicap ish is. Yeah, I'm just
Speaker 2: golf is a very popular game, and I think you mentally,
Speaker 2: I think you would do pretty well. I think there's
Speaker 2: an even keel to you.
Speaker 4: I know you, well, you have to work on your irons, right,
Speaker 4: I'm a head case on the golf course. No, I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm not throwing clubs, but I'm just I'm good for
Speaker 4: like eight blow up holes throughout the course of like
Speaker 4: a full golf season, and I just don't know when
Speaker 4: they're going to happen, but they always ruin around.
Speaker 2: You know what. You know we could do for this.
Speaker 2: We could get that tourism board from Ireland. Oh he
Speaker 2: has the game every the aer Lingus Classic.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they want it.
Speaker 2: They're trying to get people out there to cover it, right,
Speaker 2: so let's get it. Let's get one of the the
Speaker 2: open link types courses that's in Ireland, and let's get
Speaker 2: this as a sponsored event.
Speaker 4: What I would want is a two round event. Okay,
Speaker 4: a two round if there any golf course superintendents out
Speaker 4: there at like a reasonable course it's easy to get to.
Speaker 4: I would like a two round event. We could put
Speaker 4: together a field of like thirty people. Yeah, and uh,
Speaker 4: I don't know what the prize would be there doesn't
Speaker 4: need to be a prize. It's pride, not prize, right,
Speaker 4: But I would play in it, and I I think
Speaker 4: I could hold my own.
Speaker 3: I don't think I would win it. I think the
Speaker 3: other guys would win it. They're better. But I could.
Speaker 4: I could finish top ten, maybe top five, if I'm
Speaker 4: having a good weekend.
Speaker 2: Where is ACC Media Days this year? It looks like
Speaker 2: it's usually in Charlotte, right, there was a Pinehurst year.
Speaker 2: I don't know how far way Pinehurst is from Charlotte.
Speaker 2: Don't think it's terribly far.
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know my geography off the top of my head.
Speaker 4: Uh, if someone else to put it together, I'll play
Speaker 4: in it. I'll find a way there. We'll write that
Speaker 4: off here. We could get you up to Wisconsin. Didn't
Speaker 4: they do the Ryder Cup up in Wiscon?
Speaker 3: I did, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just I don't think you can take an ordinary
Speaker 2: course for something that's important. I think we need to
Speaker 2: get you at what's the one up there? Whistling Straights,
Speaker 2: Whistling straits. It's a long course. I think you have
Speaker 2: it in you.
Speaker 3: I mean I have it in me. I don't know
Speaker 3: about the others, but.
Speaker 2: Get a shuttle of just absolute internet dork college football
Speaker 2: people from Chicago up to Wisconsin. I think it's a
Speaker 2: great idea.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm in if somebody out there wants to
Speaker 3: organize it.
Speaker 2: I'm in if the powers that be in Kohler are listening.
Speaker 2: So it's a huge organized Yes, you could have Stumndel
Speaker 2: on your fringes.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know who, if Stu Golfs or not.
Speaker 3: Thank you to Richard for stopping on by.
Speaker 4: We did get a bit of breaking news throughout the
Speaker 4: course of this episode about the Brendan Soresby thing, which
Speaker 4: to me is I mean, it seems like it's madness.
Speaker 4: It seems like it's madness that they would allow him
Speaker 4: to play. And that's not because I have anything against
Speaker 4: Brendon Soarsby, But you got to set a precedent here,
Speaker 4: You got to set a precedent. They can't do that,
Speaker 4: and I think it sort of undercuts a lot of
Speaker 4: the honor and spirit of what the NCAA and we
Speaker 4: as college football fans are going for with this whole sport.
Speaker 4: It sounds like they will appeal this in rather short order.
Speaker 4: They have to do so given the calendar. If they
Speaker 4: let it go too long, then it's going to be
Speaker 4: something that Soresby could claim is doing him financial harm
Speaker 4: by not being able to enter the NFL Supplemental Draft.
Speaker 4: So there will be a lot more on this, and
Speaker 4: I think as more details become available, it's clearly something
Speaker 4: you and I are going to have to unpack further. So,
Speaker 4: given that this broke while we were recording with Richard,
Speaker 4: please give us the benefit of digesting it a little
Speaker 4: bit further before we offer further comment. But at least
Speaker 4: at first blush, it looks like madness to me.
Speaker 2: So do you know what else can also cause irreparable
Speaker 2: financial harm? Wagering like crazy on sports all of the time,
Speaker 2: every waking moment of your life.
Speaker 3: Just seems like a really really it's still a consideration. Yeah,
Speaker 3: really bad precedent.
Speaker 4: But we need to read the full legal filing before
Speaker 4: we yeah, before we talk about this at any length.
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