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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Ink

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Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing, and there's been a lot of

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Speaker 1: news so far in training camp, and unfortunately, one of

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Speaker 1: the biggest headlines has been the injury to Isaiah Likely.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about the impact of that

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Speaker 1: on this Ravens team, as well as who stood out

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Speaker 1: the three straight days of padded practices. We'll talk about

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Speaker 1: who looked good in pads, and then lastly, the Madden

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Speaker 1: ratings are out for Madden twenty six, so we'll break

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Speaker 1: down some of the highlights from that. Garrett, let's start

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Speaker 1: with Isaiah Likely, Big Bummer, suffered fracture in his foot,

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Speaker 1: a small fracture. John Harball said that it looks like

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Speaker 1: it's probably about a four week potential timeline that puts

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Speaker 1: him in play. They're not ruling him out to return

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Speaker 1: for Week one in Buffalo. Could potentially be a little

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Speaker 1: bit longer than that. We'll have to see. But the

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Speaker 1: good news is it happened early in camp, so he

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Speaker 1: has time to recover and be back early in the

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Speaker 1: season at least. The bad news is it's one of

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Speaker 1: the Ravens' top offensive weapons.

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Speaker 2: I think it's when you see it happen. It happened

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Speaker 2: late in practice, last play, last play, and so he

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Speaker 2: goes down, takes the card into the training room, and

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Speaker 2: you're just thinking, like, man, this is really tough. It

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Speaker 2: doesn't look it doesn't look good anytime you see the

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Speaker 2: car come out and a guy going in, So you're

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Speaker 2: kind of thinking worst case. And so given the context

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Speaker 2: of that, with the news that he could be back,

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Speaker 2: potentially not even missing a game in the regular season,

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Speaker 2: you think, Okay, not.

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Speaker 1: That bad, right, And I also didn't add he's having

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Speaker 1: a small surgery, having surgery on.

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Speaker 2: He will need to have surgery, and so again, could

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Speaker 2: be back from the start of the season, could linger

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Speaker 2: into the season a little bit, but if you're talking

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Speaker 2: about a September return, most likely. I think that given

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Speaker 2: the optics of how it played out on the field,

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Speaker 2: I think that you're probably looking at it. I'm looking

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Speaker 2: at it from a glass half full standpoint and feeling like,

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Speaker 2: may have dodged a bullet with that one, and that's

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Speaker 2: actually not going to be that bad. I do feel

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Speaker 2: bad for Isaiah because this is a guy who's in

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Speaker 2: a contract year, who has shown the last two seasons.

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Speaker 2: When he has opportunities, he can make the most of them.

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Speaker 2: And he's an important piece for this Ravens offense. I mean,

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Speaker 2: go back to Week one last year. He basically single

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Speaker 2: handedly got the Ravens back in that game against Kansas

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Speaker 2: City and then almost won it at the end. So

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Speaker 2: huge game Week one last year is pretty important in

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Speaker 2: that game. So I'm not going to minimize the fact

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Speaker 2: that if he's not able to play like that is

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Speaker 2: a blow to this offense.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think also the versatility that he offers, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he doesn't even call himself a tight end.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's a chess piece, and so I think

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Speaker 1: that you you miss something without that piece on the

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Speaker 1: field for sure. Now Mark Andrews can play the slot

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Speaker 1: and he can line up out wide and do a

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Speaker 1: lot of kind of similar things, but they're not exactly

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Speaker 1: the same player. You know, Isaiah moves a different way

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Speaker 1: than Mark. They play the game a little bit differently,

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Speaker 1: and so you know, it stings from that aspect, and

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Speaker 1: he's one of Lamar's quite frankly, you know, most trusted targets,

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Speaker 1: you know, especially extended plays things like that. Isaiah likely

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Speaker 1: has often made teams pay in that scenario.

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Speaker 2: Well, he's been on the receiving end of two of

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Speaker 2: the most iconic broken plays from Lamar. Last year in

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Speaker 2: then the one in Jacksonville the year before. They just

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Speaker 2: looked like heaved it up and Isaiah likely came down

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Speaker 1: Yeah, between two guys. That was ridiculous. He's had. His

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Speaker 1: portfolio of highlights is ridiculous. The one hander across the

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Speaker 1: field against Miami that he took for a touchdown on

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Speaker 1: fourth down, ridiculous play. Yeah, two years ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that one was insane. I mean the and just

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Speaker 1: The r to Kansas City. You talked about Week one

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Speaker 1: last year, the one in Kansas City where he stopped

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Speaker 1: Guy whiz passed and he pulled the Lamar. Yeah, he

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Speaker 1: did the Lamar step back, the Lamar step back high

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Speaker 2: Y had, Yeah, I had. That was a That was

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Speaker 2: an awesome player. Then of course almost had the iconic touchdown.

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Speaker 1: He was wearing different color sheets, white cleats.

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Speaker 2: We so so I'm not going to minimize the fact

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Speaker 2: I think where it could have the biggest impact. And

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Speaker 2: this is hard to quantify exactly, but to me, a

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Speaker 2: question for the Ravens from a scheme standpoint is how

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Speaker 2: they're going to structure their last year. They did a

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Speaker 2: lot of two tight ends set. We talked about you

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Speaker 2: want to get Mark and Isaiah on the field a

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Speaker 2: lot last year. Like when we were having these conversations

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Speaker 2: a year ago, that was a big thing that we

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Speaker 2: a lot of situations and they found ways to get

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Speaker 2: and you're saying, could the Ravens go more three wide

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Speaker 2: this year?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Plus den dis Walker's been one of those standouts

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Speaker 1: right just to that, Yes, I'm just fut to that.

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Speaker 1: You can't steal that, Okay.

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Speaker 2: So so it's like, should they go more three wide

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Speaker 2: receiver exactly?

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Speaker 1: That's how I think they kind of pivot, right. I Mean,

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Speaker 1: they were really heavy twelve personnel one running back, two

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Speaker 1: So it hurts because now I like Charlie Kohler. I

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Speaker 1: think Charlie Cohler has been deserving of a bigger role

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Speaker 1: a good player too, and so I think that he can.

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Speaker 1: Like he's definitely different than Isaia Likely, but I think

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Speaker 1: he'll step up and play well with more opportunities while

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Speaker 1: Likely is out. But I do think that probably they

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Speaker 1: back off a little bit of the twelve personnel while

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Speaker 1: Likely's out and lean more into three wide receiver formations.

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Speaker 2: Right, And I think that the question then becomes to me,

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Speaker 2: is that just something that happens for early in the

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Speaker 2: to some degree become the offensive identity because that's what

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Speaker 2: they're practicing all summer, that's the direction that.

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Speaker 1: They're moving, Like, how long of a lasting impact?

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Speaker 2: What's the long term lasting impact of it because of

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Speaker 2: how you're structuring things in training camp or do they

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Speaker 2: just say, hey, likely it may not be there for

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Speaker 2: three I think receiver sets in those games.

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Speaker 1: Again, looking at this optimistically, glass half fool, I think

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Speaker 1: that it's it to what you're saying. I think it

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Speaker 1: gives them a chance to get good at that stuff, right,

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Speaker 1: Like DeAndre Hopkins is kind of the new piece. Last year,

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Speaker 1: they really got good at twelve personnel. Let's get really

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Speaker 1: good at going three wide and see what that feels like.

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Speaker 1: Try that on size, including in games. And now I

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Speaker 1: think that they could run a lot of that twelve

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Speaker 1: know it, right, They did it so much last year,

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Speaker 1: more than any team in league history. And so I

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Speaker 1: think that, like, yeah, let's get good at this other

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Speaker 1: I think that there's some merit to that. I also

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Speaker 1: look at all Right, let's say Isaiah likely is gonna

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Speaker 1: if he misses the Bills game. We all know that's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a Mark Andrews game, right.

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Speaker 2: That's I mean, I mean the storyline.

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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, Mark Andrews is gonna be on

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Speaker 1: another planet on that in that game. Just another dimension

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Speaker 1: I mean, of course that's that's more of a narrative thing.

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Speaker 1: And I do think Mark Mark will be a dog

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Speaker 1: one game for Isaiah likely to miss, maybe it's that one,

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Speaker 1: because because I think they're gonna want to get the

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Speaker 2: I do think from a tight end standpoint, there's gonna

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Speaker 2: be games where you're like, this is the Isaiah likely game,

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Speaker 2: this is the Mark Andrews game. And I don't think

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Speaker 2: I do think they could have games for like, hey,

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Speaker 2: this is a better matchup for Isaiah, or this is

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Speaker 2: a better matchup for Mark. I think within games you

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Speaker 2: that that first game and one that Mark has a

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Speaker 1: One, it's another I think it's another dimension.

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Speaker 2: It probably is level it probably is, and so I

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Speaker 2: think he certainly is up to that task and honestly,

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Speaker 2: like if we're looking at the tight end mixture as

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Speaker 2: a whole, Mark answers to me, has has been a

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Speaker 2: reminder early in training camp that like everyone was talking

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Speaker 2: about the trade possibility, everyone of course was talking about

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Speaker 2: the end of last season. That was like the conversation

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Speaker 2: is a sense that I have gotten from Mark and

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Speaker 2: watching him in these practices.

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Speaker 1: I thought tight ends, Kitch, George godsee put it well

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Speaker 1: yesterday think you asked a question to you is like basically,

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Speaker 1: how good is Mark? You know there's a lot surround him,

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Speaker 1: surrounding him this offseason, but you see Mark out here,

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Speaker 1: how good is he? And he was like, well, last

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Speaker 1: year he led league and touchdowns for the tight ends.

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Speaker 1: I think he's that's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not bad, not bad, good, so like and I

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Speaker 2: think that he's playing still like that that Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 2: I think everybody we've said it, both said it.

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Speaker 1: He's very motivated. He's motivating shape. He is extremely motivated

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Speaker 1: and he's still moving well like last year. Even at

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Speaker 1: the beginning last year, Mark was pretty candid about this,

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Speaker 1: like he was kind of dealing with some stuff physically.

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Speaker 2: He's banged up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was banged up at the beginning last year,

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Speaker 1: and I think like he's in good shape this year.

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Speaker 1: I think he's going to come out strong.

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Speaker 2: And then he just caught like a touchdown and never

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Speaker 2: game down the stretch exactly. I think the demise of

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Speaker 2: Mark Andrews was greatly exaggerated. I forget which historian instead

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Speaker 2: of that carves of harves of that one for him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, by the way, I mean as if we

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Speaker 1: all we already were saying we liked that they didn't

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Speaker 1: trade Mark Andrews, but it's looking even better right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this is you know, this is why

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Speaker 2: when you go back to what Eric Tacosta said this offseason,

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Speaker 2: we're in the business of keeping as many great players

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Speaker 2: as possible. Yeah, this is why you're in that business.

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Speaker 1: Well, when we talk about all the Ravens, We've been

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Speaker 2: Of yeah, go back and check out. We had keating

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Speaker 2: If you got a bonus, give me a bonus, Okay.

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Speaker 1: I like, I'm gonna stick on the rookie train. I

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Speaker 1: like in es people's Okay, I think that. I think

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Speaker 1: the sixth round defensive ten is like flashing to me

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Speaker 1: some And I asked Chuck Smith about him, and he said,

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Speaker 1: I love Fubb. That's the nickname Fubb, which is a

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Speaker 1: great nickname, by the way. Yeah, he's he's flash, he's

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Speaker 1: got something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's quick, he can get he can he can

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Speaker 2: shoot the gaps there in the middle of that defensive line.

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Speaker 2: So it's it's encouraging.

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Speaker 1: Past rush looks the past rushes look good in pads.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think David Jabos popped. I think Oway continues to

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Speaker 1: practice well. Dece Isaac has had some nice I'm just

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Speaker 1: going on on now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fifteen guys, Yeah, let's keep going. So all right,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna take a quick break. When we come back,

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Speaker 2: we'll dive into Madden ratings yep, and give you our

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Speaker 2: takeaways on those. You're listening to the last podcast we

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Speaker 2: are coming to you from the Sea Geek Studio. We

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Speaker 2: Madden ratings are out. The full ratings dropped today. Earlier

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Speaker 2: in the week, the big news was that we found

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Speaker 2: out Lamar Jackson is back in the ninety nine club

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Speaker 2: that was announced on Monday, so let's just start there

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Speaker 2: with them. He's in the ninety nine club, which certainly deserving.

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Speaker 2: He made it last year for the first time. Him

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Speaker 2: and Dereck Henry made it last year. In the middle

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Speaker 2: of the season, Lamar stayed at ninety nine. Derek Henry

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Speaker 2: came down to ninety eight. So robbery. So maybe over

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Speaker 2: the course of the year you can bump that back

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Speaker 2: up to a ninety nine.

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Speaker 1: Like last year's got the Adam Sandler movie and now

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Speaker 1: this so he's got a motivation, punny motivation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean the two quarterbacks who are at ninety

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Speaker 2: nine this year are Lamar and Josh Allen. Uh So, look,

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Speaker 2: I first of all, anyone that plays Madden would know

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Speaker 2: that like Lamar at ninety nine, it's basically like a

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Speaker 2: creative player. It's unsoppable, it's unstoppid.

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Speaker 1: I mean I went back in my heyday playing Madden.

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Speaker 1: I always played with Michael Vick. I mean it was

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Speaker 1: just like it was a cheek cooat. He has cheekot

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Speaker 1: esous So Lamar, that's preposterous. Yeah, why would you pick

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Speaker 1: any team other than the Ravens play with Honestly.

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Speaker 2: I agree with that. I mean, be playing with him

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Speaker 2: is just so much fun. And it was cool he

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Speaker 2: got the chain and what I like to Zay Flowers

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Speaker 2: or Shaw Bateman gave him the chain surprising with that

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Speaker 2: from EA, and you could tell it meant something to him,

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Speaker 2: Like he's a guy that like he's a guy that

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Speaker 2: grew up playing Madden and playing with Michael Vick. And

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Speaker 2: so I think for guys who have grown up in

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Speaker 2: like the Madden generation, getting to that point where you're

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Speaker 2: getting you're in the ninety nine club, like it matters,

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Speaker 2: it's cool. Yeah, and and the Shaine is cool, and

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Speaker 2: it was it was awesome to have Zay and like chain. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: had to have those guys be part of the moment.

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Speaker 2: I thought was was really nice. So, uh, well deserved

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Speaker 2: for Lamar to be there. Henry, Again, he's ninety eight.

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Speaker 2: He's the Raven's second highest graded player, ninety nine stiff arm.

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Speaker 2: That so he's still in ninety nine and stith arm.

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Speaker 2: If he dropped in stiff Arm that we would have

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Speaker 2: to have beef with Matten.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Sure, but so he's ninety nine, Uh, stiff armed, So

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Speaker 2: let's go ahead and roll down the entire list of

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Speaker 2: guys here on the team who are ninety plus. Obviously

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Speaker 2: Lamar like I mentioned ninety nine, Derrick Henry ninety eight,

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Speaker 2: Rokwand Smith ninety four, Namd Mattabike ninety two, Marlon Humphrey

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Speaker 2: ninety two, Chair Alexander ninety one, Mark Andrews ninety one,

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Speaker 2: Ronnie Stanley ninety and Kyle Hamilton ninety. So those are

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Speaker 2: the eight guys who are rated ninety plus in this

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Speaker 2: year's game. I'm mad. I know we'll get to any

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Speaker 2: gripes that we have about any of the ratings, but

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Speaker 2: let's start with the positive and looking at that ninety

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Speaker 2: plus crew.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, those guys are all deserving. I mean, Jaire Alexander,

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Speaker 1: that's like the respect right there. You know, he's had

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Speaker 1: backpack seasons where he's played seven games and so like

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Speaker 1: that's respect for just how good he is when he's healthy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Also, I think that similar conversation there, like

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Speaker 2: Mark Andrews and Ronnie Stanley you know, still obviously well

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Speaker 2: regarded coming off coming off really good seasons for both

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Speaker 2: those guys, still ninety plus and Rookwand Smith ninety four,

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Speaker 2: Like he's the rave of the third highest graded player,

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Speaker 2: and he's.

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Speaker 1: He's a guy that be bumping that out the way

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Speaker 1: Roquon's playing out here at Trinky's looked awesome.

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Speaker 2: He's I mean, he's All Pro last year, so it's

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Speaker 2: not like it was a bad season by any stretch

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Speaker 2: of the imagination.

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Speaker 1: He makes like more plays, more picks, all that stuff,

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Speaker 1: He's gonna get the bump.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. He He was a guy like two years ago

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Speaker 2: when he first got here that we were like, could

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Speaker 2: he be in the Defensive Player of the Year conversation

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Speaker 2: just about how good he was. And I still think like,

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Speaker 2: if he comes up with some takeaways, yeah, he could be,

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Speaker 2: because he's this he's a focal point of this defense,

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Speaker 2: and if in the middle of this thing, and there's

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Speaker 2: the other really good players around him now, but I

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Speaker 2: do still think like if he comes up with sax takeaways.

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Speaker 1: And sacks, sacks, interceptions, force fumbles, that kind of stuff, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he makes more splash plays.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: I would have dunked on you and men, by the way.

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Speaker 2: Uh in my heyday and my heyday, I was pretty

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Speaker 2: darn good.

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Speaker 1: So's I like Kyle Bollard of Todd Heap ten yard

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Speaker 1: out was automatic.

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Speaker 2: I'll be honest. I grew up more of a college fan,

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Speaker 2: just growing up in Columbus, Ohio, where Ohio State was

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Speaker 2: was anything and everything, and so I always skewed towards

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Speaker 2: the NCAA game, the college game that was like my

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Speaker 2: brain came backs and it came back, So I the

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Speaker 2: nostalgia piece when it came back.

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Speaker 1: Last How's Madden guy through and through?

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Speaker 2: So maybe you would got would have gotten me in Madden.

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Speaker 2: But if we turn on n C double A, it's

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Speaker 2: lights out for you.

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Speaker 1: I would, I would, I'll get it. I'll take that.

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Speaker 1: That's probably right.

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Speaker 2: So uh to shout out to Madden and and congrats

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Speaker 2: to those guys who, uh, you know, got some well

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Speaker 2: deserved recognition there in terms of where they ranked. As always,

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Speaker 2: you can email us at the lounge at Ravens dot

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Speaker 2: NFL dot net. Another reminder that coming up on Sunday

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Speaker 2: is our open stadium practice at M and T Bank Stadium.

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Speaker 2: You make sure we want to make sure that you're there.

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Speaker 2: If you're not there, uh, you can watch it live stream.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna be carrying that for you on our Apple

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Speaker 2: website and our YouTube channel. So make sure you go

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Speaker 2: ahead uh and check that out. Thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for listening, and we will be back with you after

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Speaker 2: that stadium practice on Sunday,