1 00:00:04,755 --> 00:00:08,995 Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:28,315 --> 00:00:32,435 Speaker 1: President Biden, congrats on the Inflation Reduction Act. Joe. Now 3 00:00:32,475 --> 00:00:35,155 Speaker 1: it is time for you to sign something else, the 4 00:00:35,195 --> 00:00:38,595 Speaker 1: Reduction of the Inspector General of the Department of Homeland 5 00:00:38,635 --> 00:00:44,595 Speaker 1: Security Act. Fire him today. Our lives may literally depend 6 00:00:44,635 --> 00:00:47,435 Speaker 1: upon it. Your life may literally depend upon it, because, 7 00:00:47,555 --> 00:00:51,315 Speaker 1: Mr President, if you missed it last Friday and again Monday, 8 00:00:51,395 --> 00:00:54,915 Speaker 1: Donald Trump declared passive aggressive war on this country and 9 00:00:54,995 --> 00:00:58,355 Speaker 1: directly threatened you and me and everybody else who will 10 00:00:58,395 --> 00:01:01,595 Speaker 1: not submit to him. He is not, as he claims, 11 00:01:01,835 --> 00:01:05,315 Speaker 1: hoping to bring down the temperature. He is, in fact, 12 00:01:05,395 --> 00:01:09,635 Speaker 1: intent on bringing it up by Arson. And you, sir, 13 00:01:09,755 --> 00:01:14,275 Speaker 1: have a Trump arsonists in the Department of Homeland Security. 14 00:01:14,435 --> 00:01:17,435 Speaker 1: And something you can do today, sir, to push back 15 00:01:17,475 --> 00:01:21,515 Speaker 1: against Trump's plausibly deniable call for civil unrest is to 16 00:01:21,595 --> 00:01:25,835 Speaker 1: remove the Inspector General of the Department of Homeland Security, 17 00:01:25,955 --> 00:01:30,315 Speaker 1: Joseph Kufari, appointed by Trump and those loyal to him. 18 00:01:30,515 --> 00:01:33,635 Speaker 1: And you need also to fire key leadership and lots 19 00:01:33,635 --> 00:01:36,275 Speaker 1: of agents at the Secret Service and at least some 20 00:01:36,435 --> 00:01:40,795 Speaker 1: career bureaucrats at the Pentagon as well. Let's start with 21 00:01:40,795 --> 00:01:44,195 Speaker 1: this thug Kufari. As if Tuesday night, Kufari has now 22 00:01:44,235 --> 00:01:47,595 Speaker 1: refused three requests from the House January sixth Committee for 23 00:01:47,635 --> 00:01:51,555 Speaker 1: information and documents, mostly but not wholly about the now 24 00:01:51,595 --> 00:01:55,715 Speaker 1: apparently deliberate erasure of Secret Service. Text from January six 25 00:01:56,195 --> 00:01:58,755 Speaker 1: says he will not turn over any documents and will 26 00:01:58,795 --> 00:02:00,795 Speaker 1: not sit for an interview, and will not let his 27 00:02:00,835 --> 00:02:04,675 Speaker 1: lieutenants do either. Kufari has also now refused to recute 28 00:02:04,755 --> 00:02:08,835 Speaker 1: use himself from the investigation. The House Oversight Chair Carolin 29 00:02:08,915 --> 00:02:12,515 Speaker 1: Maloney and January six Chair Benny Thompson have now warned 30 00:02:12,555 --> 00:02:15,955 Speaker 1: him that if necessary, they will resort to subpoenas. One 31 00:02:15,995 --> 00:02:20,035 Speaker 1: expects Kufari will ignore those subpoenas. And it's even worse 32 00:02:20,115 --> 00:02:24,075 Speaker 1: yet than that. Mr President Kufari has denied than anybody 33 00:02:24,115 --> 00:02:28,395 Speaker 1: has the power to remove him. It is simple. Joseph 34 00:02:28,475 --> 00:02:31,755 Speaker 1: Kufari has gone rogue and announced he is a law 35 00:02:31,875 --> 00:02:36,315 Speaker 1: unto himself. This is the inspector general, the watchdog inside 36 00:02:36,395 --> 00:02:39,595 Speaker 1: the Department of Homeland Security. He is supposed to make 37 00:02:39,595 --> 00:02:43,435 Speaker 1: sure it is protecting us at his purview also includes 38 00:02:43,515 --> 00:02:46,275 Speaker 1: the Secret Service. Thus he is supposed to make sure 39 00:02:46,275 --> 00:02:49,475 Speaker 1: it is protecting you. Instead, the only things he is 40 00:02:49,515 --> 00:02:55,715 Speaker 1: protecting our Trump and his own ass Fire him, Get 41 00:02:55,795 --> 00:02:58,835 Speaker 1: him out of the building today. Let the House subpoena him. 42 00:02:58,835 --> 00:03:02,235 Speaker 1: If he ignores the subpoena, arrest him, prosecute him, jail him. 43 00:03:02,395 --> 00:03:05,315 Speaker 1: Because the more you look into this, the worse it 44 00:03:05,395 --> 00:03:09,275 Speaker 1: still gets. Not only is Joseph Kufari a Trump appointee, 45 00:03:09,675 --> 00:03:12,235 Speaker 1: but before that, he was a policy adviser for the 46 00:03:12,315 --> 00:03:15,915 Speaker 1: former governor of Arizona, Jan Brewer, the one who wants 47 00:03:15,955 --> 00:03:19,315 Speaker 1: actually publicly claimed with a straight face that the desert 48 00:03:19,395 --> 00:03:23,275 Speaker 1: in her own state near the Mexican border was full 49 00:03:23,275 --> 00:03:28,195 Speaker 1: of headless bodies. It is not politics, Mr President, to 50 00:03:28,235 --> 00:03:31,555 Speaker 1: remove a figure from a vital job who is deliberately 51 00:03:31,635 --> 00:03:34,635 Speaker 1: risking the safety of this nation because he is loyal 52 00:03:34,675 --> 00:03:37,275 Speaker 1: to the man who is currently the greatest threat to 53 00:03:37,435 --> 00:03:40,475 Speaker 1: the safety of this nation. It is instead that thing you, 54 00:03:40,635 --> 00:03:45,715 Speaker 1: presidents all say when you take the job, quote preserve, protect, 55 00:03:45,755 --> 00:03:51,155 Speaker 1: and defend the Constitution of the United States. Kufari's man, 56 00:03:51,195 --> 00:03:54,955 Speaker 1: Trump ratcheted it up again Tuesday. He and his toadies 57 00:03:54,995 --> 00:03:57,915 Speaker 1: like Lindsey Graham, are now demanding the names of the 58 00:03:57,955 --> 00:04:03,355 Speaker 1: witnesses whose testimony backed the Mari Lago affidavit. Lawyers spokesmodel 59 00:04:03,355 --> 00:04:07,835 Speaker 1: Elina Haba even said release the names because they will 60 00:04:07,915 --> 00:04:11,955 Speaker 1: come out anyway through leaks, which is another Trump passive 61 00:04:11,955 --> 00:04:14,755 Speaker 1: aggressive threat. Release the names, or we will find a 62 00:04:14,795 --> 00:04:18,475 Speaker 1: way to leak them, just as his larger passive aggressive 63 00:04:18,515 --> 00:04:22,195 Speaker 1: threat about lowering the temperature is a public post that 64 00:04:22,275 --> 00:04:26,275 Speaker 1: he Trump controls the temperature inside his cult and his 65 00:04:26,355 --> 00:04:30,395 Speaker 1: cultists will commence violence if we don't do what Trump says. 66 00:04:31,475 --> 00:04:34,555 Speaker 1: Within hours of that threat of a leak of names, 67 00:04:34,635 --> 00:04:38,515 Speaker 1: what do you know, Maggie Haberman leaks the names of 68 00:04:38,555 --> 00:04:42,675 Speaker 1: two people interviewed by the FBI about the classified documents 69 00:04:42,715 --> 00:04:47,635 Speaker 1: Trump stole. Coincidence, no doubt the threat two docs the 70 00:04:47,635 --> 00:04:51,355 Speaker 1: witnesses goes in here and presto. Hours later, the names 71 00:04:51,355 --> 00:04:54,915 Speaker 1: of Trump White House Council Pat Sippoloni and Deputy Council 72 00:04:54,955 --> 00:04:59,275 Speaker 1: Patrick Philbin suddenly wind up under Maga Maggie's byline in 73 00:04:59,355 --> 00:05:04,315 Speaker 1: the New York Times. The hearing on releasing that affidavit 74 00:05:04,395 --> 00:05:08,355 Speaker 1: is their Tuesday at one Eastern. Trump, still in hiding somewhere, 75 00:05:08,715 --> 00:05:11,955 Speaker 1: has now settled in on quote trying to lower the 76 00:05:12,035 --> 00:05:16,395 Speaker 1: temperature by calling a legal warrant and professional low key 77 00:05:16,435 --> 00:05:21,155 Speaker 1: search a quote horrible and shocking break in because the 78 00:05:21,155 --> 00:05:26,995 Speaker 1: premise is Trump's crap don't stink, when in fact Trump 79 00:05:27,155 --> 00:05:32,395 Speaker 1: is nothing but crap. Back to the DHS and the 80 00:05:32,395 --> 00:05:36,355 Speaker 1: Trump crap known as Joseph Kufari. There is a spectrum 81 00:05:36,355 --> 00:05:39,195 Speaker 1: of danger here running from the president's own safety and 82 00:05:39,235 --> 00:05:42,275 Speaker 1: whether the current Secret Service is truly committed to protecting 83 00:05:42,355 --> 00:05:45,435 Speaker 1: him or it remains in the pocket of Trump, to 84 00:05:45,635 --> 00:05:48,035 Speaker 1: the safety and future of a democracy of Two weeks 85 00:05:48,075 --> 00:05:51,435 Speaker 1: after a coup attempt, military bureaucrats joined the cover up 86 00:05:51,595 --> 00:05:54,715 Speaker 1: and deliberately erased the text messages and other data from 87 00:05:54,715 --> 00:05:57,995 Speaker 1: the phones of Trump's last secretary of Defense, Trump's last 88 00:05:58,075 --> 00:06:01,155 Speaker 1: secretary of the Army, and Trump's last chief of staff. 89 00:06:01,955 --> 00:06:05,795 Speaker 1: Two weeks after January six, one week after the outgoing 90 00:06:05,795 --> 00:06:09,075 Speaker 1: president was impeached for the second time, and the Pentagon 91 00:06:09,235 --> 00:06:13,235 Speaker 1: wiped the phones of Chris Miller from Defense, Ryan McCarthy 92 00:06:13,275 --> 00:06:17,195 Speaker 1: from the Army, and the deplorable Cash Patel from Trump's 93 00:06:17,235 --> 00:06:20,835 Speaker 1: oval office. This came out early this month when a 94 00:06:20,835 --> 00:06:23,675 Speaker 1: watchdog group got an answer to its Freedom of Information 95 00:06:23,755 --> 00:06:27,475 Speaker 1: Act lawsuit filing for those texts, and you can just 96 00:06:27,675 --> 00:06:30,675 Speaker 1: add it to the pile. There are no White House 97 00:06:30,715 --> 00:06:33,435 Speaker 1: records of Trump's phone calls during the coup attempts. He 98 00:06:33,475 --> 00:06:36,835 Speaker 1: was doubtless on a burner phone or using somebody else's 99 00:06:36,915 --> 00:06:39,835 Speaker 1: cell phone, since that way he could have saved seven 100 00:06:39,875 --> 00:06:43,355 Speaker 1: dollars in charges. The Secret Service text and most of 101 00:06:43,355 --> 00:06:46,595 Speaker 1: the call records were erased, and the Service and Homeland 102 00:06:46,595 --> 00:06:50,115 Speaker 1: Security initially made up a story about the amazing coincidence 103 00:06:50,115 --> 00:06:52,835 Speaker 1: that they were migrating their service, or they got a 104 00:06:52,875 --> 00:06:57,275 Speaker 1: better deal with new phones from Sprint or something right 105 00:06:57,875 --> 00:07:01,635 Speaker 1: after the coup and all of their texts just happened 106 00:07:01,675 --> 00:07:05,155 Speaker 1: to get lost in the process. Then it turned out 107 00:07:05,195 --> 00:07:08,955 Speaker 1: the Homeland Security Inspector General's office had asked in February 108 00:07:08,995 --> 00:07:13,155 Speaker 1: to have the records preserved, then withdrew that request five 109 00:07:13,195 --> 00:07:16,235 Speaker 1: months later. Then it turned out Homeland Security had also 110 00:07:16,435 --> 00:07:19,075 Speaker 1: wiped the phones of Trump's last two henchmen over there, 111 00:07:19,195 --> 00:07:22,275 Speaker 1: Acting Chief Chad Wolf and acting Deputy and noted fascist 112 00:07:22,275 --> 00:07:25,675 Speaker 1: thug Ken Cuccinelli. The Inspector General knew that weeks later 113 00:07:25,755 --> 00:07:29,475 Speaker 1: and did nothing and told no one. Then it turned 114 00:07:29,475 --> 00:07:33,195 Speaker 1: out that in its semi annual report to Congress covering 115 00:07:33,235 --> 00:07:35,715 Speaker 1: the period ending March thirty one of this year and 116 00:07:35,755 --> 00:07:39,515 Speaker 1: submitted in June. Homeland Security included the fact that the 117 00:07:39,595 --> 00:07:43,875 Speaker 1: January six Secret Service texts were gone. The department included 118 00:07:43,955 --> 00:07:48,035 Speaker 1: it in the first draft of its report. Somehow, in 119 00:07:48,075 --> 00:07:50,435 Speaker 1: the final version of the report that was actually sent 120 00:07:50,515 --> 00:07:54,915 Speaker 1: to Congress, this little detail had been removed. What was 121 00:07:54,955 --> 00:07:59,275 Speaker 1: not removed on page two was a nice souvenir color 122 00:07:59,355 --> 00:08:03,235 Speaker 1: photograph of Donald Trump's appointee who is still running this 123 00:08:03,355 --> 00:08:10,595 Speaker 1: crap show, as inspect General Joseph V. Kufari. For reasons 124 00:08:10,595 --> 00:08:14,635 Speaker 1: that will be absolutely unfathomable until the end of time. 125 00:08:14,995 --> 00:08:18,315 Speaker 1: The Biden administration is tiptoeing around this scandal and not 126 00:08:18,395 --> 00:08:22,235 Speaker 1: calling it what it is. A cover up, a conspiracy, 127 00:08:22,555 --> 00:08:25,995 Speaker 1: a massive crime on its own about evidence about the 128 00:08:26,075 --> 00:08:30,315 Speaker 1: January six coup. To some degree, you get it. The 129 00:08:30,395 --> 00:08:34,595 Speaker 1: guys guarding the president may not be trustworthy. The careerists 130 00:08:34,635 --> 00:08:39,435 Speaker 1: at the Pentagon and at Homeland Security certainly are not trustworthy. 131 00:08:39,555 --> 00:08:42,235 Speaker 1: They have all the guns, they know all the codes. 132 00:08:42,315 --> 00:08:44,515 Speaker 1: You cannot fire them all on the same day. But 133 00:08:44,675 --> 00:08:48,235 Speaker 1: you could hang this idiot Inspector General KAfari out to dry. 134 00:08:48,675 --> 00:08:50,995 Speaker 1: You could appoint a special prosecutor to look into the 135 00:08:51,115 --> 00:08:54,435 Speaker 1: deliberate erasure of these communications from the day Trump's thugs 136 00:08:54,435 --> 00:08:57,355 Speaker 1: tried to kill the Vice President and the Speaker and 137 00:08:57,435 --> 00:09:01,955 Speaker 1: senators and representatives, so we couldn't find out who at 138 00:09:01,995 --> 00:09:07,795 Speaker 1: Secret Service and DHS was supporting the thugs. At minimum, 139 00:09:07,795 --> 00:09:10,835 Speaker 1: the President could hit these people where they live their 140 00:09:10,915 --> 00:09:16,075 Speaker 1: paychecks were likely actions now would uncover the details of 141 00:09:16,115 --> 00:09:19,035 Speaker 1: the same crime that put nearly all of the Watergate 142 00:09:19,075 --> 00:09:24,315 Speaker 1: conspirators in jail, obstruction of justice. This is not the 143 00:09:24,395 --> 00:09:27,995 Speaker 1: time to try to let the system correct itself. The 144 00:09:28,115 --> 00:09:32,035 Speaker 1: system is still being manipulated by Trump through his creatures 145 00:09:32,075 --> 00:09:35,595 Speaker 1: like this Kufari, and to leave him there while he 146 00:09:35,675 --> 00:09:40,115 Speaker 1: defies all laws and all lawmakers is not lowering the temperature. 147 00:09:40,355 --> 00:09:45,755 Speaker 1: It is instead staying inside the proverbial frog pot, as Trump, 148 00:09:46,035 --> 00:09:51,715 Speaker 1: by himself and through his proxies raises the temperature to boiling. 149 00:10:00,995 --> 00:10:04,955 Speaker 1: Still ahead on countdown mem at Oz again, they asked 150 00:10:05,035 --> 00:10:08,355 Speaker 1: him how many houses he owns, and in his answer 151 00:10:08,395 --> 00:10:12,155 Speaker 1: he was off by He's got to be a democratic plan, 152 00:10:12,875 --> 00:10:15,555 Speaker 1: doesn't he? And things I promised not to tell the 153 00:10:15,635 --> 00:10:19,115 Speaker 1: day I nearly hired Monica Lewinsky's lawyer to save me 154 00:10:19,155 --> 00:10:22,795 Speaker 1: from having to do a TV show about Monica Lewinsky, 155 00:10:23,915 --> 00:10:26,635 Speaker 1: and this requires stopping the music just for a moment. 156 00:10:26,875 --> 00:10:31,115 Speaker 1: This is an unbelievable SoundBite from one of Trump's lawyers. 157 00:10:31,635 --> 00:10:34,915 Speaker 1: I'll let it speak for itself now here. It comes 158 00:10:36,155 --> 00:10:40,155 Speaker 1: as far as Joe tryinhold, I still have this burning 159 00:10:40,235 --> 00:10:43,315 Speaker 1: question as to why he felt he needed to refuse himself. 160 00:10:45,275 --> 00:10:50,675 Speaker 1: As far as who, I'll explain if explanation is possible. 161 00:10:50,995 --> 00:10:59,915 Speaker 1: That's next. This is Countdown. This is Countdown with Keith 162 00:10:59,955 --> 00:11:09,595 Speaker 1: Olberman coming up. The night I nearly hired Monica Lewinsky's 163 00:11:09,675 --> 00:11:12,475 Speaker 1: lawyer to sue to get me out of the contract 164 00:11:12,475 --> 00:11:16,235 Speaker 1: that forced me to do shows about Monica Lewinsky. Plus 165 00:11:16,355 --> 00:11:18,795 Speaker 1: mem at Oz does it again in Worse Persons and 166 00:11:18,835 --> 00:11:21,195 Speaker 1: the Trump lawyer who can't remember the name of the 167 00:11:21,315 --> 00:11:24,515 Speaker 1: judge in the Mari Lago search warrant case. This is 168 00:11:24,595 --> 00:11:29,435 Speaker 1: outstanding stuff, judge who first. 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He 178 00:12:00,395 --> 00:12:04,355 Speaker 1: needs an adult only forever family. The volunteers at the 179 00:12:04,355 --> 00:12:06,835 Speaker 1: shelter love him to pieces to see. If you do, 180 00:12:06,995 --> 00:12:10,315 Speaker 1: check my tweet about Calvin on my feed for Dogs 181 00:12:10,315 --> 00:12:15,475 Speaker 1: in Need, Tom Jumbo Grumbo video email addresses links everything 182 00:12:15,555 --> 00:12:17,795 Speaker 1: you could need, and you can also help him by 183 00:12:17,875 --> 00:12:22,235 Speaker 1: retweeting my biography of Calvin. Spread the word. It's at 184 00:12:22,275 --> 00:12:32,675 Speaker 1: Tom Jumbo Grumbo on Twitter. Thank you and coming up, 185 00:12:32,915 --> 00:12:38,195 Speaker 1: which sport has better ratings on the television? That would 186 00:12:38,235 --> 00:12:43,475 Speaker 1: be Major League Soccer or women's professional basketball. But now 187 00:12:43,635 --> 00:12:46,995 Speaker 1: postscripts to the news, some headlines, some thoughts, some snark. 188 00:12:54,955 --> 00:12:58,275 Speaker 1: It sounds like somebody's spitting the teletype dateline Jackson, Wyoming. 189 00:12:58,315 --> 00:13:02,075 Speaker 1: No surprise since it's a racist cult. Republicans denied House 190 00:13:02,155 --> 00:13:05,955 Speaker 1: January six Committee ranking member Liz Cheney renomination for the 191 00:13:06,075 --> 00:13:10,435 Speaker 1: States only seat. She conceded while down sixty to thirty 192 00:13:10,475 --> 00:13:14,395 Speaker 1: two to former friend Harriet Hageman, who drank the kool aid, 193 00:13:14,395 --> 00:13:17,515 Speaker 1: and who has noted yesterday is all five members of 194 00:13:17,555 --> 00:13:20,635 Speaker 1: the Canadian comedy troupe the Kids in the Hall, if 195 00:13:20,675 --> 00:13:25,075 Speaker 1: they were playing the same character. In defeat, Cheney was defiant, 196 00:13:25,475 --> 00:13:28,115 Speaker 1: She said, quote two years ago, I won this primary 197 00:13:28,155 --> 00:13:30,995 Speaker 1: with seventy of the vote. I could easily have done 198 00:13:30,995 --> 00:13:33,355 Speaker 1: the same again. The path was clear, but it would 199 00:13:33,355 --> 00:13:35,875 Speaker 1: have required that I go along with President Trump's lie 200 00:13:35,995 --> 00:13:39,355 Speaker 1: about the election. It would have required that I enable 201 00:13:39,515 --> 00:13:44,075 Speaker 1: his ongoing efforts to unravel our democratic system and attack 202 00:13:44,155 --> 00:13:47,195 Speaker 1: the foundations of our republic. That was a path I 203 00:13:47,235 --> 00:13:50,235 Speaker 1: could not and would not take. Given the fact that 204 00:13:50,315 --> 00:13:53,835 Speaker 1: Liz Cheney then invoked the defeats of Abraham Lincoln before 205 00:13:53,875 --> 00:13:57,475 Speaker 1: he became president, the early speculation became her next career 206 00:13:57,515 --> 00:14:00,235 Speaker 1: move would be a bid for the Republican nomination for 207 00:14:00,315 --> 00:14:03,995 Speaker 1: president in four if only to get on the debate 208 00:14:04,075 --> 00:14:07,395 Speaker 1: stage and freak a C. Trump while the same people 209 00:14:07,515 --> 00:14:11,915 Speaker 1: cheer her on dateline Martinsburg, West Virginia. A plea deal 210 00:14:11,955 --> 00:14:15,195 Speaker 1: collapsed Tuesday when a federal judge said the defendants should 211 00:14:15,195 --> 00:14:19,235 Speaker 1: be serving longer sentences than the government agreed to. Jonathan 212 00:14:19,315 --> 00:14:22,235 Speaker 1: Toby was to go to prison for from twelve and 213 00:14:22,235 --> 00:14:25,355 Speaker 1: a half to seventeen and a half years. His wife, 214 00:14:25,395 --> 00:14:29,115 Speaker 1: Diana would get three years. The judge, Gina m Grow, 215 00:14:29,715 --> 00:14:33,715 Speaker 1: said she invariably exceeds to plea deals, but quote, it's 216 00:14:33,795 --> 00:14:36,395 Speaker 1: not in the best interest of this community or in fact, 217 00:14:36,435 --> 00:14:40,555 Speaker 1: this country to accept these plea agreements. What crime did 218 00:14:40,595 --> 00:14:42,835 Speaker 1: the Tobies strike a deal for that would have sent 219 00:14:42,915 --> 00:14:45,035 Speaker 1: him to prison for twelve and a half to seventeen 220 00:14:45,075 --> 00:14:47,395 Speaker 1: and a half years that the judge thought was letting 221 00:14:47,475 --> 00:14:51,075 Speaker 1: him get off easy. The two had pleaded guilty to 222 00:14:51,395 --> 00:14:55,835 Speaker 1: trying to sell documents to a foreign country, top secret documents, 223 00:14:56,315 --> 00:15:02,075 Speaker 1: top secret documents relating to American nuclear submarines. It sounds 224 00:15:02,155 --> 00:15:05,395 Speaker 1: vaguely familiar. Date line, Washington, It's have been fifty six 225 00:15:05,435 --> 00:15:08,755 Speaker 1: pm Eastern time last night Tuesday. The Washington Post published 226 00:15:08,835 --> 00:15:12,035 Speaker 1: a twenty nine paragraph article on how Trump has spent 227 00:15:12,115 --> 00:15:15,675 Speaker 1: the time since the stolen classified secret story broke, trying 228 00:15:15,715 --> 00:15:19,315 Speaker 1: to find a big name lawyer or lawyers to represent 229 00:15:19,475 --> 00:15:24,515 Speaker 1: him and getting only one reply, no thanks. Minutes later, 230 00:15:24,715 --> 00:15:28,075 Speaker 1: a March article was retweeted. It was about Elena Habba, 231 00:15:28,355 --> 00:15:31,875 Speaker 1: the general counsel to a New Jersey parking lot firm, 232 00:15:31,915 --> 00:15:34,435 Speaker 1: who now might be Trump's lead attorney at the moment, 233 00:15:34,475 --> 00:15:36,355 Speaker 1: and how much of the rest of his legal team 234 00:15:36,475 --> 00:15:40,915 Speaker 1: hate her quote? What the f is she doing? Is 235 00:15:40,955 --> 00:15:43,475 Speaker 1: probably the most common question we asked about her. One 236 00:15:43,475 --> 00:15:45,915 Speaker 1: of the other lawyers told The Daily Beast there were 237 00:15:45,955 --> 00:15:48,915 Speaker 1: references to her success, owing to a belief that Trump 238 00:15:48,955 --> 00:15:55,555 Speaker 1: thinks she's great on TV. Maybe not minutes after that 239 00:15:55,675 --> 00:15:59,515 Speaker 1: at Eastern So that's thirty two minutes after the Washington 240 00:15:59,635 --> 00:16:02,715 Speaker 1: Post article came out. Elena Haba went on the Trump 241 00:16:02,715 --> 00:16:06,755 Speaker 1: propaganda channel news Max and answered a question about Bruce 242 00:16:06,915 --> 00:16:11,715 Speaker 1: rein Hart, the Florida magistrate who signed the Marilago search warrant. 243 00:16:12,155 --> 00:16:19,155 Speaker 1: Magistrate Rheinhart or Judge rhin Hart. Lena Habba did not 244 00:16:19,355 --> 00:16:24,475 Speaker 1: disappoint um. As far as Judge Rhinhold, I still have 245 00:16:24,675 --> 00:16:27,595 Speaker 1: this burning question as to why he felt he needed 246 00:16:27,595 --> 00:16:32,595 Speaker 1: to refuse himself. Uh did we hear that right, Elena. 247 00:16:33,395 --> 00:16:37,395 Speaker 1: As far as Judge Rhinhold, I still have this burning 248 00:16:37,475 --> 00:16:40,595 Speaker 1: question as to why he felt he needed to recuse himself. 249 00:16:41,675 --> 00:16:45,635 Speaker 1: Judge rhin Hart. The guy in your case is Judge 250 00:16:45,835 --> 00:16:51,075 Speaker 1: rhin Hart. Judge Ryan Hold is the actor from Fast 251 00:16:51,155 --> 00:16:55,155 Speaker 1: Times at Ridgemont High and Beverly Hills cop and imagine 252 00:16:55,155 --> 00:16:57,235 Speaker 1: why the other lawyers hate her or Trump is trying 253 00:16:57,275 --> 00:17:00,435 Speaker 1: to find somebody else to represent him. Well, moving on 254 00:17:00,515 --> 00:17:05,515 Speaker 1: to no, I can't resist um. As far as Judge Rhinhold, 255 00:17:05,795 --> 00:17:09,115 Speaker 1: I still have this burning question as to why he 256 00:17:09,315 --> 00:17:13,835 Speaker 1: felt he needed to refuse himself. Trump, do not replace her. 257 00:17:14,275 --> 00:17:17,715 Speaker 1: For God's sake, do not replace her. I love her 258 00:17:19,115 --> 00:17:23,035 Speaker 1: And date line Jacksonville, Val Demmings is leading Florida Senator 259 00:17:23,155 --> 00:17:25,915 Speaker 1: Marco Rubio. That is the big news out of a 260 00:17:25,995 --> 00:17:29,275 Speaker 1: poll conducted by the Public Opinion Research Lab at the 261 00:17:29,355 --> 00:17:36,595 Speaker 1: University of North Florida in Jacksonville. Demmings, Rubio, somebody else seven. 262 00:17:37,035 --> 00:17:40,195 Speaker 1: The poll also shows Ron de Santis ahead of either 263 00:17:40,275 --> 00:17:43,715 Speaker 1: Democratic governor candidate by seven over Nicky Freed, by eight 264 00:17:43,795 --> 00:17:47,355 Speaker 1: over Charlie Cris. But the polsters note significantly that when 265 00:17:47,395 --> 00:17:51,115 Speaker 1: they asked this same question in February, De Santis was 266 00:17:51,155 --> 00:18:09,075 Speaker 1: ahead not by seven or eight, but by This is 267 00:18:09,555 --> 00:18:16,755 Speaker 1: Sports Center Wait check that not anymore. This is countdown 268 00:18:17,395 --> 00:18:20,755 Speaker 1: with Keith Alberman from the World of Wide Sports. As 269 00:18:20,755 --> 00:18:24,035 Speaker 1: of May, Michael Harris the second was a prospect with 270 00:18:24,115 --> 00:18:27,715 Speaker 1: the Mississippi Braves of the Double A Southern League. As 271 00:18:27,755 --> 00:18:30,315 Speaker 1: of now, he is reportedly on the verge of signing 272 00:18:30,315 --> 00:18:32,675 Speaker 1: an eight year contract with the Atlanta Braves for a 273 00:18:32,715 --> 00:18:36,475 Speaker 1: tidy seventy two million dollars. In between those two facts 274 00:18:36,515 --> 00:18:39,555 Speaker 1: and dates came twelve homers, thirty nine r BI and 275 00:18:39,675 --> 00:18:42,835 Speaker 1: thirteen steals and an eight thirty eight ops in his 276 00:18:42,915 --> 00:18:47,755 Speaker 1: first seventy major league games. Remember Rodolfo Castro, the is 277 00:18:47,795 --> 00:18:49,675 Speaker 1: that a phone in your pocket? Or are you just 278 00:18:49,795 --> 00:18:53,555 Speaker 1: glad to see me? Guy Castro, the Pirates infielder from 279 00:18:53,595 --> 00:18:56,395 Speaker 1: whose pocket a phone flew out as he slid into 280 00:18:56,475 --> 00:18:59,715 Speaker 1: third base last week, has been suspended for one game 281 00:18:59,715 --> 00:19:03,755 Speaker 1: by Major League Baseball for having an unauthorized electronic device 282 00:19:03,875 --> 00:19:08,075 Speaker 1: with him during a game. A lot of fans centered 283 00:19:08,115 --> 00:19:12,075 Speaker 1: in on that phrase unauthorized electronic device and noted that 284 00:19:12,355 --> 00:19:16,395 Speaker 1: this is one game longer than the longest suspension handed 285 00:19:16,395 --> 00:19:19,515 Speaker 1: out to any member of the Houston Astros were having 286 00:19:19,875 --> 00:19:24,435 Speaker 1: lots of unauthorized electronic devices as they bang the garbage 287 00:19:24,515 --> 00:19:27,835 Speaker 1: drum all the way to their two thousand seventeen World 288 00:19:27,955 --> 00:19:32,795 Speaker 1: Series quote win unquote, and the TV ratings are out. 289 00:19:32,835 --> 00:19:36,115 Speaker 1: The w n b A and as an aside since 290 00:19:36,155 --> 00:19:39,955 Speaker 1: the Howard Stern movie, I cannot not say it. W 291 00:19:40,595 --> 00:19:44,755 Speaker 1: n b A the Women's Basket League Basketball League. The 292 00:19:44,995 --> 00:19:49,315 Speaker 1: w n b A finishes its season with an average 293 00:19:49,315 --> 00:19:52,355 Speaker 1: of three d and seventy two thousand viewers per game. 294 00:19:52,915 --> 00:19:57,115 Speaker 1: By comparison, Major League Soccer average two hundred and seventy 295 00:19:57,235 --> 00:20:00,955 Speaker 1: six thousand viewers per game for its regular season average. 296 00:20:01,555 --> 00:20:06,155 Speaker 1: MLS television rights cost two hundred in fifty million dollars 297 00:20:06,155 --> 00:20:09,595 Speaker 1: a season w n b A. W n b A 298 00:20:09,955 --> 00:20:15,395 Speaker 1: rights cost seven million dollars a season. The standard rationalization 299 00:20:15,875 --> 00:20:19,355 Speaker 1: as to why networks would pay ten times as much 300 00:20:19,675 --> 00:20:24,555 Speaker 1: for seventy of the ratings well the great future growth 301 00:20:24,595 --> 00:20:28,475 Speaker 1: potential of MLS soccer, obviously, Soccer is the sport of 302 00:20:28,515 --> 00:20:32,035 Speaker 1: the future. That is a phrase I first heard in 303 00:20:32,195 --> 00:20:35,795 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven when I was eight years old and 304 00:20:35,955 --> 00:20:40,275 Speaker 1: two major soccer leagues launched simultaneously, and there was a 305 00:20:40,355 --> 00:20:44,275 Speaker 1: CBS TV Game of the Week and nobody watched any 306 00:20:44,315 --> 00:20:50,035 Speaker 1: of it. Soccer It's America's sport of the future and 307 00:20:50,115 --> 00:21:06,875 Speaker 1: it always will be still ahead. My night with Monica 308 00:21:06,955 --> 00:21:10,515 Speaker 1: Lewinsky's attorney and what he told me twenty four years 309 00:21:10,515 --> 00:21:16,195 Speaker 1: ago about what she first thought when she saw the stain. First, 310 00:21:16,195 --> 00:21:18,875 Speaker 1: the daily roundup of the miscreants, morons and Dunning Kruger 311 00:21:18,875 --> 00:21:23,395 Speaker 1: effects specimens who constitute today's worst persons of the world. 312 00:21:24,195 --> 00:21:28,715 Speaker 1: Our bronze Senator John Neely Kennedy of Louisiana, the Oxford 313 00:21:28,875 --> 00:21:32,475 Speaker 1: educated attorney who pretends to behave like one of the 314 00:21:32,555 --> 00:21:35,515 Speaker 1: local Yoko characters from the old TV series Green Acres. 315 00:21:36,035 --> 00:21:38,915 Speaker 1: He went on Fox Nudes and complained about guess who 316 00:21:39,195 --> 00:21:43,155 Speaker 1: President Biden. Kennedy's quote, I think a majority of the 317 00:21:43,235 --> 00:21:45,595 Speaker 1: voters in our country at this juncture, I think he 318 00:21:45,635 --> 00:21:48,955 Speaker 1: would be better off selling catheter's on late night TV 319 00:21:49,835 --> 00:21:55,355 Speaker 1: than serving as the president of the United States. Catheters 320 00:21:55,475 --> 00:21:59,075 Speaker 1: And finally, we have found a subject that Senator Kennedy 321 00:21:59,075 --> 00:22:05,275 Speaker 1: of Louisiana knows something about. The runner up draws. I'm 322 00:22:05,315 --> 00:22:10,075 Speaker 1: sorry I mispronounced his name again, Uh, doctor Oz. Remember 323 00:22:10,115 --> 00:22:13,835 Speaker 1: the self phone of the Republican candidate for Senate in Pennsylvania, 324 00:22:14,235 --> 00:22:16,675 Speaker 1: the video in which he went shopping for a crude 325 00:22:16,715 --> 00:22:20,315 Speaker 1: detay in a supermarket, the name of which he had 326 00:22:20,355 --> 00:22:23,715 Speaker 1: completely mangled. Do you remember what this sounded like? Yesterday? 327 00:22:25,355 --> 00:22:28,915 Speaker 1: And my wife was some vegetables for crud today. Right, 328 00:22:28,995 --> 00:22:34,235 Speaker 1: So here's a broccoli that's two bucks. There's a Redners 329 00:22:34,275 --> 00:22:38,395 Speaker 1: and a Wegman's, but there is no Wegners. Guess who 330 00:22:38,435 --> 00:22:41,875 Speaker 1: pointed that out continuously over the last forty eight hours. 331 00:22:42,355 --> 00:22:45,835 Speaker 1: Oz is Democratic opponent John Fetterman, who was going to 332 00:22:45,835 --> 00:22:48,515 Speaker 1: win a Senate seat and write a textbook on how 333 00:22:48,555 --> 00:22:52,235 Speaker 1: Democrats should run a two fisted, no holds barred campaign 334 00:22:52,315 --> 00:22:55,915 Speaker 1: against the Trump cult. Late Monday night, Fetterman offered campaign 335 00:22:55,995 --> 00:23:00,875 Speaker 1: donors a new sticker reading Wegner's let Them Eat Crude deta. 336 00:23:01,835 --> 00:23:04,195 Speaker 1: He said last night the campaign had sent out five 337 00:23:04,275 --> 00:23:08,395 Speaker 1: thousand of them in twenty four hours. Thursday, Fetterman put 338 00:23:08,395 --> 00:23:10,835 Speaker 1: out a photo holding up and pointing to a veggie 339 00:23:10,875 --> 00:23:15,915 Speaker 1: tray with the caption crue today. Then there was a 340 00:23:15,995 --> 00:23:18,555 Speaker 1: video in which he holds the same appetizer and says 341 00:23:19,115 --> 00:23:22,275 Speaker 1: in p A, we call this a veggie tray. If 342 00:23:22,315 --> 00:23:25,115 Speaker 1: this looks like anything other than a veggie tray to you, 343 00:23:25,435 --> 00:23:30,275 Speaker 1: then I am probably not your candidate. Write this down. 344 00:23:30,475 --> 00:23:33,435 Speaker 1: Make notes, Democrats across the country. This is how you 345 00:23:33,475 --> 00:23:38,515 Speaker 1: win today. You must troll your opponent, and Lord knows 346 00:23:38,635 --> 00:23:43,395 Speaker 1: they are eminently trollable and Oz, by the way, he's 347 00:23:43,395 --> 00:23:45,555 Speaker 1: got to be a Democratic plant, doesn't he? We sent 348 00:23:45,635 --> 00:23:50,275 Speaker 1: this guy right, but our winner draws again. Undercover video 349 00:23:50,315 --> 00:23:53,555 Speaker 1: is the great untapped resource of campaigning. In two just 350 00:23:53,675 --> 00:23:57,035 Speaker 1: released Tuesday, a video of a Democratic operative at the 351 00:23:57,155 --> 00:24:01,115 Speaker 1: Carbon County Fair in Palmerton p a asking Oz, how 352 00:24:01,115 --> 00:24:04,075 Speaker 1: many houses do you own? He replies on the video 353 00:24:04,115 --> 00:24:08,115 Speaker 1: it's clear him quote Legitimately I owned two houses, but 354 00:24:08,235 --> 00:24:13,195 Speaker 1: one of them were building on the other ones I rent. Actually, 355 00:24:13,315 --> 00:24:18,075 Speaker 1: legitimately Oz owns a nine square foot mansion in New Jersey, 356 00:24:18,075 --> 00:24:20,355 Speaker 1: a condo in New Jersey, a condo in Manhattan, another 357 00:24:20,395 --> 00:24:23,115 Speaker 1: condo in Manhattan, a cattle farm in Florida, an oceanside 358 00:24:23,115 --> 00:24:25,595 Speaker 1: mansion in Palm Beach, a country house in Pennsylvania, and 359 00:24:25,715 --> 00:24:30,435 Speaker 1: three residential properties in Turkey. That would be ten houses, 360 00:24:30,515 --> 00:24:35,995 Speaker 1: not to ten, which is more a memit. Let me 361 00:24:36,035 --> 00:24:39,515 Speaker 1: ask you this, how many rakes do you want? Because 362 00:24:39,555 --> 00:24:41,875 Speaker 1: it seems like you step on a rake every hour 363 00:24:41,995 --> 00:24:49,555 Speaker 1: of the damn day. Oz, Today's worst person in the world, 364 00:25:05,315 --> 00:25:07,355 Speaker 1: our number one story on the countdown, and back to 365 00:25:07,435 --> 00:25:10,715 Speaker 1: my favorite topic, me and things I promised not to 366 00:25:10,795 --> 00:25:15,195 Speaker 1: tell so twenty four years ago this week. I nearly 367 00:25:15,315 --> 00:25:20,675 Speaker 1: hired Monica Lewinsky's lawyer to sue NBC so I didn't 368 00:25:20,675 --> 00:25:24,715 Speaker 1: have to cover the Monica Lewinsky story anymore for NBC. 369 00:25:26,475 --> 00:25:29,835 Speaker 1: It started in like June. I was at the lowest 370 00:25:29,875 --> 00:25:31,515 Speaker 1: point of what would turn out to be a ten 371 00:25:31,595 --> 00:25:34,515 Speaker 1: months struggle to extricate myself from having to host at 372 00:25:34,595 --> 00:25:39,235 Speaker 1: least one hour long show every night covering the news 373 00:25:39,275 --> 00:25:42,955 Speaker 1: of the Bill Clinton Monica Lewinsky investigations, whether or not 374 00:25:43,035 --> 00:25:46,355 Speaker 1: there was any news, and whether or not there was 375 00:25:46,515 --> 00:25:50,155 Speaker 1: any journalistic, ethical, or legal justification for doing it, because 376 00:25:50,155 --> 00:25:52,435 Speaker 1: guess what, my employers had a hit on their hands 377 00:25:52,835 --> 00:25:55,875 Speaker 1: and they weren't gonna let anything other than money factor 378 00:25:55,955 --> 00:26:00,235 Speaker 1: into this equation. I had tried everything I could think 379 00:26:00,275 --> 00:26:03,155 Speaker 1: of on the air. I trashed how we covered it. 380 00:26:03,515 --> 00:26:07,155 Speaker 1: Ratings went up. I trashed how we covered it in 381 00:26:07,195 --> 00:26:10,835 Speaker 1: newspaper interviews. The ratings went up. I trashed how we 382 00:26:10,915 --> 00:26:14,235 Speaker 1: covered it in a commencement speech I gave it Cornell University. 383 00:26:14,595 --> 00:26:17,755 Speaker 1: The ratings went up. I threatened to quit publicly. The 384 00:26:17,835 --> 00:26:20,675 Speaker 1: ratings went up. I trashed the prosecutor and said this 385 00:26:20,795 --> 00:26:23,435 Speaker 1: was a political distraction from the threat of terrorism. The 386 00:26:23,555 --> 00:26:27,475 Speaker 1: ratings went up. NBC tried to blackmail me into staying, 387 00:26:27,555 --> 00:26:30,715 Speaker 1: and I hinted at that on the air, and the 388 00:26:30,835 --> 00:26:34,795 Speaker 1: ratings went up. Finally, a friend inside the office of 389 00:26:34,835 --> 00:26:41,435 Speaker 1: the head of NBC Sports, Dick Eversol, revealed that Eversol 390 00:26:41,475 --> 00:26:43,715 Speaker 1: and Company had been part of what she had called 391 00:26:43,755 --> 00:26:47,155 Speaker 1: a little white lie about the contract I had signed 392 00:26:47,155 --> 00:26:50,075 Speaker 1: a year earlier when I left ESPN Sports Center to 393 00:26:50,155 --> 00:26:54,355 Speaker 1: go do MSNBC News with a little NBC Sports on 394 00:26:54,395 --> 00:26:58,755 Speaker 1: the side. Turned out it wasn't a little NBC Sports 395 00:26:58,835 --> 00:27:03,115 Speaker 1: on the side. NBC Sports was in fact paying the 396 00:27:03,155 --> 00:27:07,235 Speaker 1: majority of my salary, even though everybody at NBC News 397 00:27:07,315 --> 00:27:10,155 Speaker 1: insisted to me during and after the negotiations that it 398 00:27:10,235 --> 00:27:16,035 Speaker 1: was like news and only ten percent sports. This detail 399 00:27:16,835 --> 00:27:19,115 Speaker 1: was my first ray of hope. It was not much, 400 00:27:19,195 --> 00:27:22,115 Speaker 1: and it might or might not mean the contract was invalid, 401 00:27:22,755 --> 00:27:25,555 Speaker 1: but it was technically illegal to do what they had done. 402 00:27:25,875 --> 00:27:28,235 Speaker 1: If you sign a contract with somebody who says he's 403 00:27:28,275 --> 00:27:31,035 Speaker 1: paying you and it turns out no, you're secretly being 404 00:27:31,035 --> 00:27:34,195 Speaker 1: paid by somebody else and that isn't in the contract, 405 00:27:34,395 --> 00:27:37,835 Speaker 1: you have been deceived into signing the contract. And if 406 00:27:37,835 --> 00:27:40,115 Speaker 1: you have been deceived into signing the contract. Well, that 407 00:27:40,195 --> 00:27:43,355 Speaker 1: might be enough of a can opener to get me 408 00:27:43,875 --> 00:27:49,635 Speaker 1: out of there, So I needed a lawyer. On June second, 409 00:27:50,515 --> 00:27:53,955 Speaker 1: William Ginsburg retired as Monica Lewinsky's lawyer went back to 410 00:27:54,035 --> 00:27:56,035 Speaker 1: Los Angeles. He was only there because he was a 411 00:27:56,075 --> 00:27:59,235 Speaker 1: friend of her father's. He was a medical malpracticed lawyer 412 00:27:59,275 --> 00:28:02,155 Speaker 1: with a little experience in contract law. He was also 413 00:28:02,275 --> 00:28:04,875 Speaker 1: really good on TV and to this day and the 414 00:28:04,915 --> 00:28:07,915 Speaker 1: same person appears on all five of the Sunday talk 415 00:28:07,995 --> 00:28:11,275 Speaker 1: shows on ABC, CBS, C and N Fox and NBC, 416 00:28:11,395 --> 00:28:14,355 Speaker 1: all in one morning. Especially if they do it live 417 00:28:14,355 --> 00:28:18,115 Speaker 1: in the studio. It's called the full Ginsburg because he 418 00:28:18,155 --> 00:28:23,995 Speaker 1: did it first. Bill Ginsburg hated the story understandably. I 419 00:28:24,075 --> 00:28:27,515 Speaker 1: hated the story. I heard through colleagues that he respected 420 00:28:27,555 --> 00:28:29,155 Speaker 1: the way I tried to cover it and not the 421 00:28:29,195 --> 00:28:31,235 Speaker 1: way anybody else did. So I wrote him a letter. 422 00:28:31,555 --> 00:28:34,915 Speaker 1: I suggested that while contract law might not be his specialty, 423 00:28:35,355 --> 00:28:38,795 Speaker 1: pushing back against the public humiliation of Monica S. Lewinsky 424 00:28:39,035 --> 00:28:41,555 Speaker 1: was his specialty, and he could help her and help 425 00:28:41,595 --> 00:28:44,555 Speaker 1: me at the same time. And he wrote back that 426 00:28:44,635 --> 00:28:46,715 Speaker 1: he liked the idea, he would research it, and we 427 00:28:46,715 --> 00:28:48,475 Speaker 1: should have dinner the next time he was in New 428 00:28:48,555 --> 00:28:51,355 Speaker 1: York or I was in l A. That time came 429 00:28:51,395 --> 00:28:56,355 Speaker 1: on August. I was in l A, staying in Santa Monica, 430 00:28:56,395 --> 00:28:58,475 Speaker 1: and he said, perfect, let's go to the Jonathan Club. 431 00:28:58,875 --> 00:29:02,995 Speaker 1: And it really was a terrific meal and conversation with 432 00:29:03,035 --> 00:29:05,835 Speaker 1: one of his law colleagues joining us. Bill Ginsburg was 433 00:29:05,875 --> 00:29:08,115 Speaker 1: gruff and funny and a big sports fan, and he 434 00:29:08,155 --> 00:29:10,915 Speaker 1: had been involved in the legal action after the death 435 00:29:10,955 --> 00:29:14,675 Speaker 1: of the college basketball star Hank Gathers. I was at 436 00:29:14,755 --> 00:29:17,515 Speaker 1: Loyal and Merrymount University the night Hank Gathers died on 437 00:29:17,555 --> 00:29:19,875 Speaker 1: the court. We had a lot to talk about. Bill 438 00:29:19,955 --> 00:29:22,755 Speaker 1: was also a Dodgers fan, furious at the trade of 439 00:29:22,755 --> 00:29:27,115 Speaker 1: Mike Piazza and wanted to know the inside story, et cetera. 440 00:29:27,915 --> 00:29:30,035 Speaker 1: And there were a few drinks we went fully off 441 00:29:30,035 --> 00:29:31,915 Speaker 1: the record, and after he said he would love to 442 00:29:31,955 --> 00:29:34,235 Speaker 1: represent me if I sued NBC, and thought I had 443 00:29:34,315 --> 00:29:36,595 Speaker 1: quite a case, and thought if I just let it 444 00:29:36,675 --> 00:29:39,915 Speaker 1: leak inside thirty Rock, that I might hire a lawyer, 445 00:29:40,555 --> 00:29:43,755 Speaker 1: particularly if I leaked that I might hire him to 446 00:29:43,955 --> 00:29:48,595 Speaker 1: sue them over deceptive contract negotiations. NBC might give up quickly. 447 00:29:49,595 --> 00:29:52,755 Speaker 1: Having resolved our business before the second drink arrived. We 448 00:29:52,755 --> 00:29:54,955 Speaker 1: spent the next four hours telling each other all the 449 00:29:55,035 --> 00:29:58,675 Speaker 1: horror stories of our respective roles in this one of 450 00:29:58,675 --> 00:30:03,075 Speaker 1: the dumbest, most self debasing cluster frocks in the history 451 00:30:03,075 --> 00:30:06,475 Speaker 1: of American politics, and the history of American law, and 452 00:30:06,515 --> 00:30:10,635 Speaker 1: the history of American journalism. Obviously, Bill had a lot 453 00:30:10,715 --> 00:30:13,755 Speaker 1: more horror stories to tell than I did, and after 454 00:30:13,835 --> 00:30:17,115 Speaker 1: hearing dozens of them, I asked him to let me 455 00:30:17,195 --> 00:30:22,715 Speaker 1: tell three of the stories someday, on whatever terms he dictated. 456 00:30:22,795 --> 00:30:25,955 Speaker 1: He laughed, and he said, Okay, twenty years from tonight 457 00:30:26,035 --> 00:30:29,795 Speaker 1: or after I'm dead, whichever comes first. Sadly, Bill passed 458 00:30:29,795 --> 00:30:33,795 Speaker 1: away in two thousand thirteen. The first story was just 459 00:30:33,915 --> 00:30:36,915 Speaker 1: TV gossip. Bill said that early on, right after the 460 00:30:36,955 --> 00:30:39,955 Speaker 1: story broke in January, when he was still living in 461 00:30:39,955 --> 00:30:42,355 Speaker 1: a Washington hotel and trying to figure out what was 462 00:30:42,435 --> 00:30:44,595 Speaker 1: what and who was who, he had been taken to 463 00:30:44,675 --> 00:30:49,355 Speaker 1: dinner by Rita Cosby, a Fox News She later worked 464 00:30:49,355 --> 00:30:51,355 Speaker 1: with me for a time at MSNBC. She had a 465 00:30:51,475 --> 00:30:55,275 Speaker 1: voice like the Leo the Lion character from Looney Tunes. 466 00:30:55,715 --> 00:31:01,395 Speaker 1: Hey Wait a minute, and she was approximately exactly as fetching. 467 00:31:02,155 --> 00:31:05,595 Speaker 1: Somehow he found himself at her part for a drink. 468 00:31:06,355 --> 00:31:09,395 Speaker 1: She carried two whiskeys to the couch on which he sat, 469 00:31:09,475 --> 00:31:13,195 Speaker 1: and curled up next to him. Just let me leave, 470 00:31:13,435 --> 00:31:15,515 Speaker 1: Bill quoted himself as saying, and I'll tell you anything 471 00:31:15,515 --> 00:31:19,475 Speaker 1: you want to know. Before Bill Ginsburgh told me this 472 00:31:19,555 --> 00:31:21,875 Speaker 1: other story, he said he thought it explained the entire 473 00:31:21,915 --> 00:31:25,635 Speaker 1: Clinton Lewinsky saga. The older I get, the more inclined 474 00:31:25,635 --> 00:31:28,515 Speaker 1: I am to agree with him. He said that sometime 475 00:31:28,595 --> 00:31:31,195 Speaker 1: in the late seventies, he was getting groceries at a 476 00:31:31,275 --> 00:31:34,915 Speaker 1: huge supermarket in Beverly Hills. Went to his shock, he 477 00:31:34,955 --> 00:31:39,395 Speaker 1: saw his college classmate from cal Berkeley, Bernie Lewinsky, pushing 478 00:31:39,435 --> 00:31:41,915 Speaker 1: a shopping cart toward him. The two men had not 479 00:31:42,035 --> 00:31:44,875 Speaker 1: seen each other since they graduated in nineteen sixty four. 480 00:31:45,315 --> 00:31:49,675 Speaker 1: They immediately swapped stories. They embraced, and Lewinsky casually mentioned 481 00:31:49,715 --> 00:31:53,275 Speaker 1: where he and his family lived. I was doing pretty 482 00:31:53,315 --> 00:31:56,035 Speaker 1: well in my practice, Bill told me, and Bernie and 483 00:31:56,075 --> 00:31:58,835 Speaker 1: I were the same age, thirty five thirty six, and 484 00:31:58,875 --> 00:32:00,675 Speaker 1: I had a house in Beverly Hills that I paid 485 00:32:00,715 --> 00:32:03,555 Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars for, and I thought I was king 486 00:32:03,795 --> 00:32:06,595 Speaker 1: of the world. And Bernie told me his address in 487 00:32:06,675 --> 00:32:09,795 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills, and I realized he must have paid five 488 00:32:09,995 --> 00:32:12,795 Speaker 1: hundred thousand for his house. And I said, Bernie, I 489 00:32:12,835 --> 00:32:15,235 Speaker 1: know you're a genius, but how could you possibly afford 490 00:32:15,315 --> 00:32:18,555 Speaker 1: that place so soon? And he said he had this 491 00:32:18,675 --> 00:32:21,915 Speaker 1: oncology practice and they had just opened another office and 492 00:32:21,955 --> 00:32:23,795 Speaker 1: he was at one or the other of those offices, 493 00:32:23,835 --> 00:32:25,595 Speaker 1: like six days a week, and I said great. And 494 00:32:25,635 --> 00:32:29,475 Speaker 1: then he said, plus five nights a week. I'm the 495 00:32:29,555 --> 00:32:33,595 Speaker 1: overnight emergency oncology doctor at Cedar Sinai Hospital. And I 496 00:32:33,635 --> 00:32:36,795 Speaker 1: said great, and then I realized what he had just 497 00:32:36,875 --> 00:32:40,275 Speaker 1: told me. Bernie, I said, you work six days a 498 00:32:40,275 --> 00:32:45,955 Speaker 1: week and five overnights a week, so you work eleven 499 00:32:46,035 --> 00:32:48,955 Speaker 1: days a week. And he laughed, and he said it's 500 00:32:49,035 --> 00:32:53,235 Speaker 1: easier than saying no to my wife. And that Alderman 501 00:32:53,755 --> 00:33:00,875 Speaker 1: explains everything you need to know about the Clinton Lewinsky story. Wow, 502 00:33:01,715 --> 00:33:04,595 Speaker 1: As it turned out, on the NBC contract stuff, Bill 503 00:33:04,755 --> 00:33:08,115 Speaker 1: Kinsburg was prescient. I told one of the top NBC 504 00:33:08,275 --> 00:33:11,075 Speaker 1: office gossips that I'd had dinner with Monica Lewinsky's former 505 00:33:11,115 --> 00:33:13,875 Speaker 1: attorney and we had sketched out plans to sue NBC. 506 00:33:14,075 --> 00:33:16,795 Speaker 1: Because it had deliberately lied to me about whether I 507 00:33:16,835 --> 00:33:20,075 Speaker 1: was being paid by NBC News or NBC Sports. And 508 00:33:20,155 --> 00:33:23,955 Speaker 1: like four weeks later, out of the blue, NBC suddenly 509 00:33:23,995 --> 00:33:26,515 Speaker 1: advised my agent that it was giving us ten days 510 00:33:27,035 --> 00:33:29,675 Speaker 1: to negotiate a deal to sell my contract to Fox 511 00:33:29,715 --> 00:33:32,315 Speaker 1: Sports for a million dollars, and the promise that I 512 00:33:32,355 --> 00:33:36,515 Speaker 1: would not go back into TV news for two years. Coincidence, 513 00:33:37,635 --> 00:33:42,475 Speaker 1: I think not my Bill Ginsburg's Oh wait, I didn't 514 00:33:42,515 --> 00:33:44,875 Speaker 1: tell you the third story, he said, I could tell 515 00:33:44,915 --> 00:33:49,875 Speaker 1: twenty years later. If you know anything about the Clinton 516 00:33:49,955 --> 00:33:56,875 Speaker 1: Lewinsky saga. You know about the dress, the stained blue dress. 517 00:33:58,115 --> 00:34:04,835 Speaker 1: If you don't know, look it up somewhere. I don't 518 00:34:04,875 --> 00:34:07,675 Speaker 1: have the time or the patients to tell you it here. 519 00:34:08,315 --> 00:34:11,155 Speaker 1: But what Bill Ginsburg said that night, twenty four years 520 00:34:11,155 --> 00:34:15,955 Speaker 1: ago cracks me up to this day. You know, he said, 521 00:34:17,275 --> 00:34:19,755 Speaker 1: when Monica took that dress out of her closet to 522 00:34:19,835 --> 00:34:23,675 Speaker 1: where it is Thanksgiving and she realized it was stained, 523 00:34:24,675 --> 00:34:32,835 Speaker 1: she wasn't certain. She thought the stain might be potato salad. 524 00:34:40,875 --> 00:34:45,515 Speaker 1: Potato salad. I've done all the damage I can do here. 525 00:34:45,515 --> 00:34:47,075 Speaker 1: This is where I ask you to rate and review 526 00:34:47,155 --> 00:34:49,795 Speaker 1: the podcasts fib tell them it's outstanding, and you listen 527 00:34:49,835 --> 00:34:51,595 Speaker 1: to it sixteen times just for the line of up 528 00:34:51,595 --> 00:34:55,995 Speaker 1: Potato's health. 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