WEBVTT - Around the Association Featuring Bill Reiter

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<v Speaker 1>You're tuned into Heat Check with Crystal Quick.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to a bonus episode of the Heat Check.

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<v Speaker 3>Today, We've got a special interview with NBA insider Bill Ryder.

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<v Speaker 3>We conducted this interview last night with my co host

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<v Speaker 3>Ryan Wrbot and PJ. Glasser on bet MGM tonight to

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<v Speaker 3>my other show. Bill hosts a show called Writer Than

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<v Speaker 3>You on CBS Radio weekdays from ten to noon and

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<v Speaker 3>is an award winning journalist who has covered the Association

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<v Speaker 3>for many years. He's really good, and shockingly, he agrees

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<v Speaker 3>with me a ton So do me a favor, Nick

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<v Speaker 3>and drop that fucking beat. In this first clip, Bill

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<v Speaker 3>decides to give his opinions on who he likes to

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<v Speaker 3>come out of the East. I knew we were on

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<v Speaker 3>the same wavelength as soon as he started saying mean

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<v Speaker 3>things about the Brooklyn Nets.

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<v Speaker 1>I do not believe in the Brooklyn Nets. I will

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<v Speaker 1>fade them at every chance and take the risk they

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<v Speaker 1>do come to and figure it out. I like the

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<v Speaker 1>Milwaukee Bucks. I know that's kind of chalk once they

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<v Speaker 1>get healthy. I just think it's so easy to look

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<v Speaker 1>past because they're in the Midwest. I think we take

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<v Speaker 1>Giannis really just for granted how well run that organization is,

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<v Speaker 1>how dominant Giannis is, but I saw a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>Cavaliers this year, just bopping around talking to various folks

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<v Speaker 1>and various teams that just happen to beat a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of their games. And I'm starting to talk myself into

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<v Speaker 1>at least Cleveland overachieving. I know I'm not the only

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<v Speaker 1>person in the country doing that. But if you think

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<v Speaker 1>the drama's going to pull down the Celtics and the

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<v Speaker 1>Nets and there might be some injuries elsewhere, If like me,

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<v Speaker 1>you love the Sixers but think Doc Rivers is a

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<v Speaker 1>walking postseason disaster, I think Cleveland's interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>We also asked Bill about his thoughts on my dark

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<v Speaker 3>horse pick to come out of the East the Toronto

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<v Speaker 3>Raptors listen in.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm with you guys on Toronto. I don't have a

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<v Speaker 1>bet on it, but I was talking to a couple

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<v Speaker 1>buddies that we pool our resources and bet a little

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<v Speaker 1>larger than we should every year. We're nibbling on the

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<v Speaker 1>edges there. I think the Nets are like, look that

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<v Speaker 1>the Brooklyn Nets could win the whole thing. They're talented enough.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the likely outcome is they're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>really underwhelming. We've seen this story before. What a Bill

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<v Speaker 1>Parcells say. People tell you who they are, Kyrie Irving, unreliable.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you guys know all the drama that leads

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<v Speaker 1>the Sixers. I think they can be great. I love

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<v Speaker 1>the moves they made Addison three and d guys was

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<v Speaker 1>around that organization for several days last week. They're actually

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<v Speaker 1>legitimately confident. But if you think things can go wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>if you think MB can get hurt again, if you

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<v Speaker 1>think Doc Rivers is the wrong guy, I do, and

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<v Speaker 1>that manifests itself maybe in the regular season instead of

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<v Speaker 1>the postseason. I think Toronto's really interesting. Nick Nurse is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the three or four best coaches in the game.

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<v Speaker 1>They've got a pretty good core. If things go right

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<v Speaker 1>for them and have to go badly for those other teams,

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<v Speaker 1>there's certainly value there.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the teams that had a very rough offseason

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<v Speaker 3>was the Phoenix Suns tons of drama. I asked Bill

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<v Speaker 3>his thoughts on what we might expect from them this

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<v Speaker 3>season and if they can overcome some of those issues.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm personally fading those Suns. I'm in that and group

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<v Speaker 1>think makes me nervous and when everybody thinks something, that's

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<v Speaker 1>where you find some value, right if you're actually putting

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<v Speaker 1>money down. Here's my thing. I think the eight and

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<v Speaker 1>thing is a real issue with my Williams because Mani's strength.

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<v Speaker 1>They're one of his strength. He's a great x as

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<v Speaker 1>and O's coach. But his ability to connect with the

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<v Speaker 1>locker room is really important. And the fact there is

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<v Speaker 1>an openly discussed cold war between a guy that didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to be there anyway and they gave him a

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<v Speaker 1>contract after he thought he was gonna get a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to go somewhere else in the head coach, that's a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think for me the big thing is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just be candid. I know Chris Paul gets celebrated

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<v Speaker 1>as a leader. I understand that's the narrative. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>it's just not true or it's more a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>complicated than the idea that he's this incredible leader he does.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, guys, I've done reporting on this. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of guys can't stand Chris Paul, who play with him,

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<v Speaker 1>her He grinds him down, He gets on guys, he

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<v Speaker 1>talks smack. He can be really hard on dudes. And

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<v Speaker 1>when he was had to play to back it up.

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<v Speaker 1>That would not only sometimes be the glue that would

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<v Speaker 1>make it work. I've talked to a couple of gms

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<v Speaker 1>this year from a distance. Right, these guys aren't with

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<v Speaker 1>the Suns who think Chris Paul amazing player, blah blah blah,

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<v Speaker 1>might be washed. Right, Just he's almost forty, he's getting

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<v Speaker 1>an eighty. He's five years past when a point guard

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<v Speaker 1>of his stature in physical, his build should play the

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<v Speaker 1>level that he has. He's a great player, whatever, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's over, and if it is, I think his

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<v Speaker 1>approach to leadership, the DeAndre Ayton thing, even Sarvard being

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<v Speaker 1>forced out, there's just too many question marks for me

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<v Speaker 1>to put money on the Suns. If the number got

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<v Speaker 1>good enough, if they got out to like a really

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<v Speaker 1>bad start, and the number dropped, how might I put

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<v Speaker 1>some money on him like I did a few years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>to go all the way and then probably start fading

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<v Speaker 1>them in a conference finals if they got there. But

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<v Speaker 1>I just I'm in that group of people that think

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<v Speaker 1>that there's too many question marks on and off the

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<v Speaker 1>floor to really believe in Phoenix.

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<v Speaker 3>My co host Ryan is a huge Chicago Bulls fan

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<v Speaker 3>like massive, So of course we had to ask Bill

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<v Speaker 3>his thoughts on Chicago this season and whether they can

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<v Speaker 3>actually compete for another playoff spot.

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<v Speaker 2>Turns out he's a Chicago fan.

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<v Speaker 1>Too, So I'm from the Chicago area. Like back and

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<v Speaker 1>forth between Chicago and Iowa, and I was I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago sports fan, hard to be a Bulls fan because

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<v Speaker 1>I covered the sport right, so it sort of changes things.

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<v Speaker 1>I really wanted to believe in him, and you know

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<v Speaker 1>that as the fan. Ball is so important to what

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<v Speaker 1>they do. And if you look at their record last

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<v Speaker 1>year when he played last year, it was small sample size,

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<v Speaker 1>but big enough that it matters. I mean, their winning

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<v Speaker 1>percentage was good enough to be the second best team

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<v Speaker 1>in the East. They were in first when he got

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<v Speaker 1>injured last year. I think in January he just praised

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<v Speaker 1>the defensive energy and effort that I think actually raises

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<v Speaker 1>the defense of the rest of the team. And you're right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean DeRozan was a statistical anomaly last year. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like betting the tails was gonna come up forty out

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<v Speaker 1>of fifty times. Awesome that it happened, probably not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>happen again. So I think Chicago's going to struggle to

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<v Speaker 1>be in the top six. I think the East is

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<v Speaker 1>that crowded, but they fooled me last year, and if

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<v Speaker 1>ball can somehow get healthy and get back earlier than

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<v Speaker 1>we expect, maybe there's some optimism. But I think the

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<v Speaker 1>combination of a regression for tomorrow and the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have the defense that they need, and then

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<v Speaker 1>East that I think is markedly better. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>it Bowes well.

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<v Speaker 3>Another team that had a share of drama this year

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<v Speaker 3>is the Golden State Warriors. Really, in the last couple

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<v Speaker 3>of weeks with Draymond Green and Jordan Poole, Bill gives

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<v Speaker 3>his opinion on what we might expec from them this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Give it a listen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a great question. It's amazing. The six betting

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<v Speaker 1>favorites to winning the NBA Championship this year, four of

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<v Speaker 1>them are dealing with seriously self inflicted drama on an

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<v Speaker 1>extreme level. The Sun's, the Celtics, the Nets because they're

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<v Speaker 1>the Nets, and the Warriors with the punch of Jordan Poole.

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<v Speaker 1>I think those four storylines are going to greatly impact

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<v Speaker 1>what happens. I think I don't know is the answer

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<v Speaker 1>to your question. But my guess is the most likely

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<v Speaker 1>organization where it's gonna be okay of those four teams

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<v Speaker 1>as the Warriors, because Steph Curry really is a beloved

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<v Speaker 1>leader in that locker room. Because the guy that was wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan Poole, not just got paid, which helps, but has

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<v Speaker 1>handled this with such class, right sort of quiet class,

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<v Speaker 1>put the team first. And because I think Draymond Green,

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<v Speaker 1>for all of these shortcomings that were on display, is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be like Kobe Bryant when he had his

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<v Speaker 1>own personal stuff. I know, different situation, but Draymond's the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of guy that goes on the floor and that's

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<v Speaker 1>a recipite, that's a place he can escape. So I think,

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm on the Warriors big. It's not I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not an amazing bet, right because the odds aren't great.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think that they're the favorite in a big

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<v Speaker 1>way in the Western Conference because I do think the

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<v Speaker 1>sons of regrets and will be impacted.

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<v Speaker 2>I could go the Clips huh yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing I love the Clippers and I've got the

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<v Speaker 1>Clippers in the conference finals. I think that's two things,

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<v Speaker 1>like do you really believe that Kawhi Leonard is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be healthy for I don't know, sixty regular season

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<v Speaker 1>games in the playoffs. To me, that's a coin flip.

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<v Speaker 1>I want it to be true, but it wasn't when

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<v Speaker 1>he was younger, and he's no longer younger. And do

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<v Speaker 1>you think Paul George can play at an exceptionally high level

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<v Speaker 1>of the playoffs if that happens, which, again to me

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<v Speaker 1>is a coin flip. So Clippers have a ton of ceiling.

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<v Speaker 1>I just worry about their ability, well in pg's case,

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<v Speaker 1>to play at a high level, and really in the

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<v Speaker 1>case of Kawhi Leonard, just to be on the floor

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<v Speaker 1>consistently enough.

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<v Speaker 3>We gave Bill a choice of who among the Knicks

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<v Speaker 3>and MAVs might actually have a better season.

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<v Speaker 2>Turns out Bill doesn't like either of them.

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<v Speaker 1>So I am not high on the Knicks. I was

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<v Speaker 1>not a fan of that Galen Bruns in contract. I

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<v Speaker 1>I'd love to be wrong. So I think it's the MAVs,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I don't love their roster construction, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>out sid of Luka Doncics, there's a lot to be desired.

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<v Speaker 1>But assuming the guy really comes in, like in great

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<v Speaker 1>shape and great focus and he looks good, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>he is a top what guys three player in the NBA.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the betting favorite to be the MVP. He can't

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<v Speaker 1>be the MVP if you're not a top four team,

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<v Speaker 1>especially after the terrible vote for Westbrook several years ago

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<v Speaker 1>when he had that triple double silliness that shouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>gotten him that hardware. So I think the odds are

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<v Speaker 1>the MAVs, at least in the regular season, have a

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<v Speaker 1>much better season the next time. We've seen what Luca

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<v Speaker 1>can do when he goes full sort of solo hero

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<v Speaker 1>mode in the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 3>Finally, since we are a gambling show, we couldn't let

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<v Speaker 3>Bill go without asking for some of his thoughts on

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<v Speaker 3>NBA future bets, So I've got a few.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't bet on some of these because I'm actually

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<v Speaker 1>an NBA voter and so I don't really know what

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<v Speaker 1>the rules are, but I think Mbat's gonna win the MVP.

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<v Speaker 1>For you bought that I got you, guys. I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's a few things to play here. I think the

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<v Speaker 1>Sixers is going to be really good in the regular season.

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<v Speaker 1>I know Mbat's angry as hell about the fact he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't win last year, but I think the main thing

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<v Speaker 1>is psychology. And I'm not insulting my fellow NBA voters.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just the truth in that world. In the NBA

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<v Speaker 1>in particular, guys are the men and women who vote

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<v Speaker 1>are so worried about NBA Twitter and how they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be viewed and whether people are gonna think that

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<v Speaker 1>they're idiots when they go out to dinner on the Beat,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think they're very impacted by what they're supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to do and this idea of getting things wrong. I've

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<v Speaker 1>heard people already that vote talk a lot socially about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, M Beats. They don't have a great year,

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<v Speaker 1>which is code for I should have voted for him

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<v Speaker 1>last year, and I can hear him still complaining from

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<v Speaker 1>last year's vote. So I think there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>value on M Beat. I love Kobe Alman to be

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<v Speaker 1>executive the year in Cleveland, like if you believe in Cleveland,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're not really sure like how that plays itself

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<v Speaker 1>out because you don't think Cleveland's gonna make it that

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<v Speaker 1>deep in the playoffs because it's a regular season vote.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Kobe Altman as executive years are really, really,

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<v Speaker 1>really good bet And I'm trying to I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 1>talk myself into the under on the Lakers total because

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<v Speaker 1>Lakers numbers are always enhanced because people in La go

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<v Speaker 1>to Vegas all the time. They just get a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of help. Now, if you think Andy Davis is gonna

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<v Speaker 1>willingly play the five and or stay healthy, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think either of those will happen. That's why we call

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<v Speaker 1>him humpy Dumpty on.

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<v Speaker 2>Our radio day to Davis.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean Anthony Humpy Dumpy Davids. I like the

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<v Speaker 1>under on the Lakers because it's always too much. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a little worried Lebron's gonna go beast mode at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of his career. Those are the ones that I

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<v Speaker 1>have money on, or that I would if I weren't

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<v Speaker 1>an actual voter.

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