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Speaker 1: On this week's episode of Cultivating her Space.

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Speaker 2: Addiction is when it gets to a point where you

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Speaker 2: need to use higher amounts or you've developed a tolerance

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Speaker 2: and you have to use it in order to feel normal.

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Speaker 2: If you're at a point where you can't go a

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Speaker 2: day or you can't go short periods of time without

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Speaker 2: using it, then that is now an addiction. Hey, lady,

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Speaker 2: have you ever felt like the world just doesn't get you? Well,

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Speaker 2: Now, let's get into this week's episode of Cultivating her Space.

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Speaker 2: It's doctor dom here from the Cultivating her Space podcast.

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Speaker 2: I look forward to hearing from you. Our quote of

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Speaker 2: the day it always seems impossible until it's done. That

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Speaker 2: quote comes to us from Nelson Mandela, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: say that one more time for the folks in the back.

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Speaker 2: It always seems impossible until it's done. All right, tee?

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Speaker 2: Wait come, you already saying no, you don't you can?

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Speaker 2: You can? You?

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Speaker 1: Can you tell? Can you tell us what the quote

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Speaker 1: means to you first? Because I'm thinking I had time

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Speaker 1: to prepare and you stated it twice and I'm still like, huh,

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Speaker 1: where's my how do I want to process this? So?

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Speaker 1: Can you can you just start? Please?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: I got you?

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Speaker 2: And so I think for me when I hear this

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Speaker 2: quote in the context of this conversation. Yeah, so today

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Speaker 2: we're having a conversation about addiction, and when I think

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Speaker 2: about folks who are trying to overcome an addiction or

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Speaker 2: stop engaging in addictive behaviors. To me, that quote seems

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Speaker 2: to land perfectly in terms of the experience that it

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Speaker 2: always seems impossible, So stopping the behavior seems impossible until

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Speaker 2: it's done, until you've actually overcome it, right, it seems impossible.

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Speaker 2: And even you know, even away from addiction, like I

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Speaker 2: you know, have a day where I'm like, all right,

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Speaker 2: I know I need to exercise, and there are moments

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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, well wait, yeah I did it. Why

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Speaker 2: Because here I am doing it. So for me, that's

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Speaker 1: That is so good. And you know what, when I

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Speaker 1: thought about it, I had similar examples, right in the

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Speaker 1: appreciate you going sharing first, and lady, we about the dimontism.

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Speaker 1: We're about the dimittism shit today. Okay, we're about to

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Speaker 1: it's fresh, it's real. Doma is coming with some research

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Speaker 2: Yes, y'all know, I am always here for a good

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Speaker 1: We're not talking about weed or marijuana for healing methods. Right,

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Speaker 1: It's just like it's not that serious. Like I'm just

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Speaker 2: you may be at a point where, in terms of

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Speaker 2: You may be in a point where you're contemplating change

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Speaker 1: Which my relationship so number one? Growing up, my mom

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00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: used to always say addictions running our family, and I

433
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: believe that narrative for a long time. And I found

434
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: myself having various addictions in my life. And I got

435
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: to a space, like after my divorce and after I

436
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: was just processing like where I am, and I was

437
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: really seeking mental clarity, but I felt like I just

438
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: wasn't getting it because I was just so clouded. I

439
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: just felt my mind was clouded. I'm like, I'm not

440
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: really getting what I want to get because I'm you know,

441
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: I'm doing consulting during the day, working with different clients,

442
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: and we do podcast stuff some nights, and then after

443
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: that it would usually be like I smoke and then

444
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: my mind just goes into a different place. Right, It's like, yeah,

445
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: my mind goes into a different place. Sometimes I'm up

446
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: calling some old people that I don't want to that

447
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: I don't really want to be called them, but I'm

448
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: in my feelings and so I'm let me call somebody,

449
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: or I'm just like doing mindless stuff. And so I

450
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: really would see clarity for like this next phase in

451
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: my life where am I going? And that was the

452
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: big why, Like I just want clarity. I want to

453
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: connect more spiritually and get the downloads the spirit has

454
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: for me. That is like at the crux of why

455
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: I started exploring, like let me figure out how can

456
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: I actually stop doing this for a little bit at least,

457
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: you know, to see what happens.

458
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 2: Okay, So all right, So wanting to learn a little

459
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 2: bit more about you. So you decided to stop, right,

460
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 2: And when I think about what I know about addiction, Yeah,

461
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 2: is that when someone stops engaging in that addictive behavior

462
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: because they part of it being an addiction is that

463
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: they've developed a dependence on it. What happened for you?

464
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: What were some of your withdrawal symptoms that you experience?

465
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: Well, before I get into that, dum, I just want

466
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: to say that I realized that a lot of the

467
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: because I was in my dating phase and my whole

468
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: phase all that stuff around this time, and I realized

469
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: that all of the people that I was with they

470
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: were all smoking too. So one when I wanted to

471
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: initially stop, it was like, well, then I started to

472
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: really realize, wait, smoking is a big part of my

473
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: sexual experiences as well. And then I started reflecting on

474
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: my whole life and I'm like, smoking has been a

475
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: part of like ninety eight percent of my sexual experiences.

476
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I don't even know how can I

477
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: stop if I'm engaged sexually with certain people and that

478
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: that's a part of our experience, Like we smoke, we

479
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: drink most of the time, and that's what we do.

480
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: And so that was another thing. It was hard to

481
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: stop because I'm still engaging with these people and then

482
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: if I don't do it, then I feel weird, Like

483
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: I'm like I need to be able to I need

484
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: to do this. So that was another thing that came

485
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: up for me. And it wasn't until I went to

486
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: a meditation retreat, a week long meditation retreat. A doctor

487
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: Joe despends the retreat and they said you cannot bring

488
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: They said, please don't bring drugs, and I was like,

489
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: what I candle drugs. So I had a conversation with

490
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: myself and I was like, you know what, they asked

491
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: me not to do this. One number two, I'm not

492
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: going to cheat myself out of having a great experience.

493
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,719
Speaker 1: I wanted to see what my mind was capable of

494
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: and a sober state. So I went the whole week

495
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: without smoking, and I felt really great. I felt like

496
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: I was getting this creative juice and this high from

497
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: just going within, and so that was a really magical experience.

498
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: And I came home and I didn't smoke for like

499
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: two weeks, and then I started talking to the guys

500
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: again and I started getting back into my addiction, and

501
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: so I started back up. So it took about a

502
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: year down from when that retreat was until I finally

503
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: just like cold turkey stopped. And when I did stop,

504
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: the first couple of days, oh it was rough. I

505
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: definitely had I was irritable. I was having like very

506
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: interesting dreams. I also had nice sweats. I'm like, this

507
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: is not crack. While I am I having sweat, Like,

508
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: what's happening? I was having night like cold sweat or

509
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: is it cold sweats? Waking up sweating, That's what was happening.

510
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: I was waking up sweating nice sweats. And I have

511
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: more notes because I documented the process. But I was

512
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: having cravings. I yeah, I had a lot of stuff

513
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: going on. I really wanted to smoke, but I wanted

514
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: to test myself to see how long I could go

515
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: without it. And then I think it was maybe a

516
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: couple of weeks and maybe it was ten days in

517
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: I ended up giving away all my drugs. Dom you

518
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: saw my little green bag. I had a nice little

519
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: green bag I got with all my weed paraphernalia, my

520
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: wraps and rollers, and I have my shrooms in there.

521
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: I had all the edibles, all the things. I gave

522
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: that away to someone who does smoke and gave away everything,

523
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: and that made it easier because now it's not in

524
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: the house. So those were the symptoms that I experienced

525
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: when I was going through the withdrawal. And again it's

526
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: been four months at the time of this recording.

527
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 2: So I would say also just to add, so one,

528
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 2: thank you for sharing the things that you went through,

529
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 2: of course, but I want to add what other people

530
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 2: might experience us there as well, so that they might

531
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 2: start to so that they can pay attention and be aware. Right, So,

532
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 2: some of the other things that people experience are increased anxiety, irritability, depression, yeah, anger, restlessness, insomnia,

533
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 2: bad dreams, decreased appetite, headaches, stomach pain, cravings, and fever.

534
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 2: Along with that sweating, the sweating and the chills.

535
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: That's intense.

536
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 2: That's intense. That is a lot. And lady, as you're

537
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 2: listening to this, and you may be listening to this,

538
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 2: and you may may be like, well, do I really

539
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 2: want to experience all of that in order to stop

540
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 2: this addiction? Tee for you? How long did the withdraw last?

541
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 2: There were all symptoms last, I should say I.

542
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: Would say maybe like ten days or so. Maybe at max,

543
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 1: I think it was around ten days. And then after

544
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: a while, especially when it was out of my house,

545
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: it got it got easier. But there I would say

546
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: once a week. I still Just the other day I

547
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: was like, huh, it'd be nice to smoke a blunt

548
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: And I was like, well why. I was just ask myself, like,

549
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: it's not a bad thing. I may smoke again, especially

550
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: if I go, like hang out with certain friends. I

551
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: may do it that one time. But I was like,

552
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 1: why do you want to do it? And I was like, okay,

553
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: I don't really have an answer for why. So I

554
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:31,720
Speaker 1: was like, okay, I'm just gonna sit with it. Instead

555
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 1: of being impulsive. I'm just gonna sit with it because

556
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: I know that that was a thing for me, and

557
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: so I don't want to just go back to it

558
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: unintentionally or frivolously. I just want to think through a

559
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: little bit more. But yeah, I would say that that

560
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: is that was how long the process lasts for me,

561
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: Probably about ten days or so.

562
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, and so how did you in those ten days?

563
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 2: What motivated you to keep going?

564
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: Well, one time I stopped by accident. I didn't even

565
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: I literally I think I told you about a conversation

566
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: I had with someone, like literally the day before I

567
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: was like, I smoke weed. That's just what I do,

568
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: So like, don't we trying to change me? And then

569
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: I'm like the next day, I just I don't know,

570
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: something clicked and I was like, I want to stop.

571
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 1: And so what motivated me was when I wanted to

572
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: see what it would be like to be a sober mind,

573
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: like truly, because when I thought about it, I was like,

574
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: outside of when I was pregnant and breastfeeding, to me,

575
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: that kind of counts, but then not really, I had

576
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: the pregnancy hormones, and so I just wanted to see, like,

577
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: who am I bare and naked, like what is my

578
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 1: mind like? Right? So I was curious about that. And

579
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: as I began to see results and like, I feel

580
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: a difference in my body, and I had this realization.

581
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my gosh, Like, no, weed is not

582
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: terrible or like this bad thing, but it was impacting

583
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: my brain in a major way. It was impacting my

584
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: brain in a major way. And I sleep a lot

585
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: better at night because a lot of times I would

586
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: smoke and then I would feel groggy in the morning.

587
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: And honestly, the other thing I noticed too, like as

588
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: a high performer, I'm sure you can relate to this.

589
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: As a high performing woman who gets results and who

590
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: gets shit done right, a lot of times I think

591
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: that we can make our shortcomings or our excuse is sexy, right,

592
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: So like my fifty percent might be other people's like

593
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: eighty or ninety percent because of how our standards are.

594
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 2: Right.

595
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: And so because I have this addiction, I would tell

596
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: people about it, and I'm like, oh, well, you still

597
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: get results, like you got this podcast, you're doing this,

598
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: you get results from these clients. I'm like, yeah, but

599
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: I don't want anything to own me. And that was

600
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: another big thing about the addiction. I'm like, I don't

601
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: want to be owned where like if I go to US,

602
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: if I wanted to go to Dubai and I know

603
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: I can't, I'm not about to bring No, I ain't

604
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: about to do that. I'm not bringing up drugs Dubai.

605
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get them anywhere there. I don't

606
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: want to be in a space where I can't get

607
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: where I have these withdrawal symptoms and I can't have

608
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: this drug, and so I'm acting out, you know, I

609
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: just want to be I want to be in my

610
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: mind and in my body fully. And so yeah, I

611
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: think that answers a question.

612
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: Yes, and so then so then the next part of

613
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: that is what are so you started to You have

614
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 2: answered this somewhat, but what are the things that you

615
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 2: have learned about yourself from this experience?

616
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: Well, One, that's not impossible, even though I wasn't thinking

617
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: that it was impossible because I was like, oh, I

618
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 1: could do it. One like it's possible to do it,

619
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: and it's it's still possible to be fun and to

620
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: just like still have personality, like do things that I

621
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: thought I had to smoke in order to feel or

622
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: do If that makes sense, you know, Like I use

623
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: it sometimes to let my anxiety, you know, to decrease anxiety.

624
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: So that's the thing. And then also down the result,

625
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: like my brain. I just feel so protective of my brain.

626
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: Now I'm like it was impacting my brain in a

627
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: certain way. I don't feel as cloudy and foggy. I

628
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: feel more connected to spirit. I feel like my intuition

629
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: and my discernment has turned up a bit. And I

630
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: also started meditating every day because I had to replace

631
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 1: it with something. I'm like, all right, am I smoking.

632
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: I'm still doing my exercising. I have a stretch routine

633
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 1: that I do a lot of times to just come

634
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: down from the day, and then I will do a

635
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: lot of meditation as well. And so donald it has

636
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: been the most productive I would say that I've been

637
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: in my business. Like going back to what I said

638
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: about successful people, sometimes if you're a high achiever, you

639
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: can have an addiction, but as long as you're getting

640
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 1: your work done, you're high functioning, so no one really

641
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: cares and you're getting the results. But now I just

642
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: feel like at night, I'm able to grind out on

643
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: my business or a book. And in the past four months,

644
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: I've had more clients in my business, I built like

645
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: so many websites for my brand. I had a TEDx

646
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: talk that I like manifested within that timeframe as well.

647
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: And so I've been able to accomplish so much more

648
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: and go even higher and also get more of that

649
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: clarity that I was desiring.

650
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 2: So all right, so let's back up a little bit.

651
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 2: And you mentioned a few of the things that you

652
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 2: do that you started doing to replace because it sounds like,

653
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 2: if I'm hearing you correctly, Yeah, what you're saying is

654
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 2: that for you, oftentimes marijuana use was to one cope

655
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: with stressors of life. Two perhaps maybe in social settings,

656
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 2: to navigate some of the manage some of the anxiety. Right, yes, okay,

657
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 2: So and as I'm listing those two things, I know

658
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: that so many people listening can relate to having to

659
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 2: experiencing those two things, and that those two things might

660
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 2: be why, might be the why for some folks who

661
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 2: are also addicted to we And so then you what

662
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 2: you said was once you stopped smoking, you started meditating more,

663
00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 2: you started stretching, and so what were the activities that

664
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 2: what were so those were two? Were there any other

665
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: activities that you used to replace marijuana use.

666
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: Yes, there were, and you said social settings and what

667
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: was the other one? Anxiety that I.

668
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 2: Was using us Also the day stretches of the.

669
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: Day and to bypass emotions sometimes if I wanted to

670
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: just zone out and I'm like, oh, I don't want

671
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 1: to be here, I'm just smoking, Like you make it better.

672
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: And also can we emphasize the sexual scenarios. That was

673
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: a big one, like if it's like a one night

674
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: stand or you're just with a partner and like you

675
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: want to kind of be someone else, like let me

676
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: just take a shot and let me smoke. That was

677
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: so big, so I did. Yes. The meditation, stretching, breath

678
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: work was also huge, and then journaling as well. And

679
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: I think I just leaned into the manifestation piece that

680
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: I'm like really into, so visualization, mental rehearsal. I just

681
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: really leaned into a lot of that as well. And that.

682
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: So I know somebody's listening and they're like, wait, so

683
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 2: every night you would wind down in your night by smoking,

684
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 2: and then you stop that and replace that with meditation,

685
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 2: breath work, journaling for real? How like for real? How

686
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 2: do you get to the point. Yeah, let's talk like

687
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 2: im and I'm coming from a space of someone who's listening.

688
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: Because I meditate daily. I've finally gotten there, and so

689
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 2: I meditate daily, and so I know that it's possible

690
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 2: that it is something to do stretching. I'm working on that,

691
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 2: but my trainer would love it if I said I

692
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 2: stretched every day when I work out. I do stretch, though,

693
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 2: And so talk to us about how did you go

694
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 2: from smoking every day to then now like you're engaging

695
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 2: in meditation and breath work and doing this on a

696
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 2: daily basis. Is now a part of your routine? What

697
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: did you do to really make it a consistent part

698
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: of your daily routine.

699
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: So one thing I want to emphasize on that's a

700
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: really good question, is I didn't I didn't like to

701
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: try to do everything at once. That's number one. So

702
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: my main thing for me was meditation because I know

703
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: the effects of meditation and what it can do for

704
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: my brain. So I like to do that in the

705
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: morning with the breath work. So that is the one thing.

706
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: I literally have a tracker on my wall in my

707
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: room and I've been for the past I think it

708
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: was past two months. I've been literally check it off

709
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: every morning. So that is now like I'm like, I

710
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: have to do this because I love the way it

711
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: makes me feel, and I love that it's something I

712
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: do internally. I don't need anything externally to make me

713
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: feel good on the inside. So that is the one

714
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: thing I do. All the other things there's simply tools

715
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: that I reach for when the anxiety comes up, when

716
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: I feel my body something's going on my body. So

717
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: like I stretched earlier today to take a break, I

718
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: journal a couple of days ago because I was feeling

719
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: some emotions come up and I was like, okay, well

720
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: we're not going to bypass and I would love to

721
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 1: smoke right now, but I was like, let's journal, let's

722
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: talk about like let's get through it. And so I

723
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: would say, they're not things I do every single day,

724
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: with the exception of meditation. These are just tools that

725
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: I reach for and from my toolkit when my spirit

726
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 1: is saying, let's lean into this, okay.

727
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 2: So yes, So thank you for that, because I think,

728
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 2: you know, as I was listening to you again, I

729
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 2: could imagine that there was someone out there that's like,

730
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: all right, how do you go from being addicted to

731
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 2: a behavior to then all of a sudden being able

732
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 2: to easily replace it with something else. And I think

733
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 2: the thing that you emphasized is that it's not easy

734
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: and that you weren't doing all of these things at once.

735
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 2: And more importantly, I think the most important thing that

736
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 2: makes it, that makes overcoming an addiction easier is that

737
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 2: you replaced it with a behavior that you have already

738
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 2: used and knew that it worked for you.

739
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: Yes, that a spot on and dotty. The other thing

740
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: I have to emphasize is my environment during this fragile

741
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: space that I'm in where I know that I am

742
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: really I'm not even again I keep saying, I'm not

743
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 1: saying I'm stopping with you forever. I'm ending my addiction

744
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: to it right of me doing it every single day

745
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: and being addicted. So I'm not putting myself in scenarios

746
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: and situations where I might be tempted. But also, girl,

747
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: the big thing for me was I started dating this

748
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: guy who was like completely sober, doesn't drink, it doesn't smoke,

749
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: and so the thing that heightened for me when I

750
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: was with him, though he was supportive, I would see

751
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: myself on a different light because when you're with other

752
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: addicts or you're with people who are doing the drugs too,

753
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: it's like we're all doing it. Keep passing the blunt.

754
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: We five blunts in, pass it around. But when you're

755
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: with someone who's sober, now I'm paying attention to myself.

756
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, girl, you're reaching for the vape, like you

757
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: raped ten times and you all been on a couch

758
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: for an hour, Like okay, just an observation. I don't

759
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: want something to own me. And I realized being in

760
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: that connection that something was on and so that was

761
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 1: another thing, Like your environment is also super important.

762
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,439
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And I think it's also one other thing

763
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 2: that I would add is, as you are moving past

764
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 2: an addiction, it's also important to have people supportive people

765
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 2: around you and so, and I understand that for some

766
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 2: folks there may be shame around admitting that you have

767
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 2: an addiction. Yes, there may be shame around trying to

768
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 2: move past it. There may be difficulty around trying to

769
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 2: move past it. But I think it's crucial to identifying

770
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: one or two people who are willing to be supportive

771
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:52,959
Speaker 2: of you through that process. Different than accountability partners, some

772
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 2: people may need an accountability partner as they're trying to

773
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:02,919
Speaker 2: move past an addiction. Outside of that, having a couple

774
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 2: of people in your life who are supportive of what

775
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: you're doing. And so it's not that they're checking in

776
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 2: to be like, hey girl, you smoke today, all right,

777
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 2: and they're coming in with a judgmental they're coming in

778
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 2: with a judgment, right, it's they help They say, okay,

779
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: so I know that you are not smoking, so we're

780
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 2: going to find a different we want to go out tonight.

781
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 2: We're going to find a different thing activity to do,

782
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 2: a different place to go where that won't be a

783
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: temptation for you, or if they are still engaging in

784
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 2: the behavior, they'll ask, is it do you mind if

785
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 2: I smoke right now? Right? And so you want to

786
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 2: make sure as you're moving past the addiction that you

787
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 2: do in addition to an accountability person, you have other

788
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 2: supportive people in your life who you will help you

789
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 2: in navigating this journey.

790
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: That is so goodm And I would also add if

791
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: you don't have those people, I was on YouTube and

792
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: looking at different forms online, looking at other people's journeys.

793
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: There are so many people who share their journey of

794
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: like it's been day ten, it's been you know, month three,

795
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: of my journey without weed and talk about their own

796
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: experiences and that was very comforting as well. So I

797
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 1: think those are great tips, like get that support. Now,

798
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: should we talk about these strategies for people who want

799
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: to slow down or take a break from their addiction

800
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: to weed.

801
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 2: Let's do it, okay.

802
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: So the first one, I feel like we may have

803
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: touched on this a little bit, but the first practical

804
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: tool that you can lean into is an emotional check

805
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: in before smoking. Just check me with yourself.

806
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I think the thing is is that

807
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 2: that's to me, that's someone who that's a crucial thing

808
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 2: for someone who is in that contemplative stage of wanting

809
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 2: to make a change, Like you're not there yet. You're

810
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 2: not You're you're not in that space where you're saying

811
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 2: all right, I'm done. It's I want to stop. But okay,

812
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 2: let me check in about like what what are the

813
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 2: emotions that are coming up for me right now as

814
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 2: the thought of wanting to smoke is coming up? Right Like, so,

815
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 2: what what are the emotions that led to me having

816
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 2: this thought like to reach for my weed? Right? Like?

817
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 2: What what are those thoughts? What are those emotions that

818
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 2: are coming up and so then I think the next

819
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 2: thing is slightly different. It's asking yourself like what am

820
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 2: I craving emotionally right now? So not what are the

821
00:49:56,080 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 2: emotions that initially came up, but what am I crave emotionally?

822
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 2: So to give you an example, let's say that it's

823
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 2: the end of a stressful day and you are feeling

824
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 2: the emotions that are currently coming up for you. Exhaustion.

825
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 2: That's that's the top emotion right there, Like you're just exhausted.

826
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 2: And then maybe there was something that happened earlier in

827
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 2: your workday, and maybe you're worried, or maybe you're frustrated,

828
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 2: and so those are the emotions that are coming up.

829
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 2: You get ready to reach for your weed and you're like, okay, wait,

830
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 2: this is what I'm feeling right now. But what am

831
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 2: I craving emotionally? What do I need? What emotions do

832
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 2: I want to feel that I'm not currently feeling, right

833
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 2: That's a different way to ask that question, like what

834
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,959
Speaker 2: are the emotions that I want to feel that I'm

835
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:07,959
Speaker 2: not currently feel. So maybe because you're currently feeling exhausted, worried, frustrated,

836
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 2: maybe you want to feel peace, calm, and joy it's

837
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 2: smoking gonna get you. There is there something else you

838
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 2: can do that will get you the same result.

839
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: There you go. I love it. And then the next

840
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: one here is creating a nighttime ritual that isn't weed

841
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: and so, I mean, there are so many things you

842
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: could do. But it could be a nice soothing bath, right.

843
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: I love to light candles and incense or turn on

844
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: the oil diffuser. It could just be like a self massage,

845
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: putting lotion on your fine self and rubbing yourself down,

846
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: you know, something like that, getting some tea or I

847
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: love to also prep for the week, or not for

848
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:49,720
Speaker 1: the week, but for the next day, whether it's getting

849
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: your clothes out or just kind of visualizing or looking

850
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 1: at the schedule, having some type of nighttime routine. Dom

851
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: I love one of the things that you like to

852
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: do at night, which is read. I mean, whenever I

853
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,240
Speaker 1: read in bed, I go to sleep. So I'm reading

854
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 1: shortly after I start or going to sleep shortly after

855
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: I start the reading. But it puts me down in

856
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: a nice soothing manner versus scrolling on my phone and

857
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: you know, doom scrolling right before I go to bed.

858
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: So I like the idea of a nighttime routine that

859
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 1: doesn't involve weed.

860
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 2: Yes, I think that's a good one. Yes, you know,

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Speaker 2: reading is reading in bed for fun, reading for fun.

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Speaker 2: It is definitely high on my list of things to do.

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Speaker 2: And then the next the next option is journaling. So

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Speaker 2: you find yourself craving the weed and you're like, all right,

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to quit, Like I really want to quit,

866
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Speaker 2: but I woo, today was a day I I need it. Okay, well,

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Speaker 2: let's go back to the top thing of identifying those

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Speaker 2: emotions that came up. So now let's pull out our

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Speaker 2: journals and write about it, whatever's coming up. And the

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Speaker 2: thing that I also tell folks all the time is

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Speaker 2: that journaling I just use the description of writing about it.

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Speaker 2: But journaling doesn't have to be writing. Journaling could be

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Speaker 2: an audio or video recording as well. And so journaling

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Speaker 2: and whatever method works for you. It may be that

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Speaker 2: for some people writing it out also is that allows

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Speaker 2: that physical release, But for other people, having an audio

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Speaker 2: or video recording allows you to just go unfiltered, unedited,

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Speaker 2: and sometimes your thoughts are going faster than what you

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Speaker 2: can write out, and so it's easier to talk it out.

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Speaker 2: But the point is to journal through the craving that

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Speaker 2: you might be having.

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Speaker 1: And the other one here is replacing the ritual with

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Speaker 1: something soothing, not restrictive. So it kind of ties back

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Speaker 1: to the other one, but more so I would say

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Speaker 1: it's connected to what we talked about before down when

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Speaker 1: I was sharing the different tools that I reach for

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Speaker 1: when I feel like, oh i want to smoke or

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Speaker 1: I'm having anxiety, I'm feeling something in my body. So

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Speaker 1: it might for you be some of the things we

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Speaker 1: already listed, right, So, whether it's journaling or lighting that

891
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Speaker 1: candor or incend or meditating or doing breath work or

892
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: something like that, or going for a walk. I mean

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Speaker 1: walking has also been like a new hobby that I've

894
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Speaker 1: picked up that has been so therapeutic. So just whatever

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00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,919
Speaker 1: works for you and your world. Ideally, it'd be great

896
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Speaker 1: if you could find something that you know already makes

897
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: you feel a certain way, whether it's like being creative coloring,

898
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Speaker 1: something that you already know works for you, and you

899
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Speaker 1: can replace it with that. I find that that is

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Speaker 1: easiest when you have replacements already, because once you stop

901
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: that thing, there will be a void. Right So for

902
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: me at night, when I'm used to just you know,

903
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: smoke and I just zone out. Well, now, I'm usually

904
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Speaker 1: doing something for a passion project or you know one

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Speaker 1: of the other things I listed, So I think that's

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Speaker 1: important too.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And so then the last thing that I would

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Speaker 2: say is one that we haven't necessarily talked about, we

909
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Speaker 2: haven't stated explicitly, is that you can take what we

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00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 2: would call a compassion focused break instead of going cold turkey. Oftentimes,

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00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 2: with addiction, people are more likely to relapse multiple times

912
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Speaker 2: before they completely are sober for extended periods of time.

913
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Speaker 2: And so here what we're saying is take a break

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Speaker 2: where you are being kind and gentle with yourself. Right,

915
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Speaker 2: so it's I'm going to challenge myself to go three

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Speaker 2: days without smoking. Let's say by day two you're like, hmm,

917
00:55:55,520 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 2: I thought I could do it, but not right now. Okay,

918
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 2: make a note of that, Note that the like you

919
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 2: tried it, Note what came up that may have been

920
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 2: a stumbling block, and then try again when you're ready.

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Speaker 2: And then maybe when you try again you'll be able

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Speaker 2: to You'll last more than two days, you'll get to

923
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Speaker 2: four days. But don't give up because you had What

924
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 2: we're using the term of relapse. So like you've tried

925
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 2: to stop and you then gone back, keep trying. Every

926
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 2: day is a new day. And perhaps what it is

927
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Speaker 2: is that you have you look at a month calendar

928
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 2: and you say, Okay, each day this month, I'm gonna

929
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Speaker 2: mark whether or not I smoked. And so it's not

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Speaker 2: that you're like, all right, for the thirty days in

931
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Speaker 2: the month of November, I need to go that entire

932
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Speaker 2: thirty days without smoking. It's okay for the month of November.

933
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 2: Let me see how many days I can go. And

934
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Speaker 2: thens as you're starting to understand your relationship with weed,

935
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:11,280
Speaker 2: it might become easier to go longer periods of time

936
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Speaker 2: to the point where you're able to completely stop.

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Speaker 1: I love it. We cover a lot today trying to

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Speaker 1: think if there's anything else we should cover to do

939
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Speaker 1: this type of justice or close out. So, lady, we

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Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed. What else should we do domin anything

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Speaker 1: else on your I think.

942
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Speaker 2: We have covered. We have definitely covered a lot, and Lady,

943
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Speaker 2: like we said, there will be resources in the show

944
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Speaker 2: notes for you if you or someone you know is

945
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Speaker 2: wanting to explore their relationship with weed and consider ending

946
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