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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to bow your Mind.

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Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb, and um Julie Douglas or

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Speaker 1: am I? I don't know. You're dressed like Julie Douglas,

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Speaker 1: so you must be Julida. I do have my Julie

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Speaker 1: Douglas uniform on today. It's true. Described the Julie Douglas uniform. Yeah, well, uh,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty boring. Actually, it's usually like monochrome, you know.

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Speaker 1: I've got some dark jeans on with the dark top,

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Speaker 1: you know, and some dark shoes kind of like a

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Speaker 1: like a German sensibility. Okay, I'll go with that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a little ust here. Yeah. What about you, Robert Lamb,

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Speaker 1: what's sort of what sort of role are you taking

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Speaker 1: on here with your clothes? Well? I tend to favor

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Speaker 1: of course, as anyone who knows from the videos that

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Speaker 1: we put out. Since you may wonder, wow, Robert Lamb

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Speaker 1: seems to have like three things that you wear, and

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Speaker 1: this is true. I tend to gravitate around blue jeans,

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Speaker 1: a T shirt of some kind, and then a hoodie

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Speaker 1: of some kind of which and then these things will

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Speaker 1: gradually wear out and I'll get replacements, and so it

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Speaker 1: it didn't even point. I'll have like two or three

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Speaker 1: versions of the same shirt or the same hoodie. It's

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Speaker 1: kind of the pattern I've been in. But I love

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Speaker 1: the hoodie because it Uh. My thing with it is

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Speaker 1: that on one level, it feels kind of monastic. You know,

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Speaker 1: I kind of feel like I'm in the name of

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Speaker 1: the Rose and there. And therefore, when I come into

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Speaker 1: work and I sitting under my desk and I get

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Speaker 1: out some books and pull up some studies on the

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Speaker 1: on the laptop, I can I can sync up my

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Speaker 1: hoodie here, and I feel kind of like I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm a monk engaged in serious, um focused study and uh.

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Speaker 1: And then there's also the fact that I can I

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Speaker 1: can kind of zip up the hoodie and it's like

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Speaker 1: it hugs me, and I get this like tight feeling,

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Speaker 1: like I'm I'm tightly contained and therefore maybe even more

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Speaker 1: focused on when I'm working on you know, when you

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Speaker 1: say it's like your study hoodie, or you think about

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Speaker 1: Natalie from the Facts of Life had like a special

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Speaker 1: outfit that you would wear, including a hoodie. I believe

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Speaker 1: she studied. So yeah, I mean it's true that you

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Speaker 1: you put on certain clothes to feel a certain way,

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Speaker 1: to act a certain way, and that is what we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about today. We're going to zone in

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Speaker 1: on this, but we're also going to talk about something

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Speaker 1: called embodied cognition, which is this idea that there's lots

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Speaker 1: of stuff that influences the way that we behave, the

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Speaker 1: way that our mind processes information. Yeah, it's one of

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Speaker 1: these areas where on the surface of things, we all

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Speaker 1: know that the way you dress changes, the way you

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Speaker 1: carry yourself, the way you feel about yourself. But when

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Speaker 1: you actually look at it and you examine and you

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Speaker 1: take it out, and you you know, take some distance

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Speaker 1: on and sort of move the concept around in your

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Speaker 1: hand a little bit, you realize how strange and wonderful

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Speaker 1: it really is. It is. And um, embodied cognition and

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Speaker 1: clothed cognition what we're talking about today. These are two

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Speaker 1: fairly new fields of thought in terms of how humans behave.

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Speaker 1: Behavioral psychology is something that has been, you know, particularly

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Speaker 1: that's the theory of learning, based upon the idea that

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Speaker 1: all behaviors are acquired through conditioning, right um. Cognitive psychology

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Speaker 1: whichs probably been more of the reining field as of late,

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Speaker 1: and this is concerned with internal mental states as well

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Speaker 1: as how people acquire, process and store information, and that

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Speaker 1: also delves into neuroscience and linguistics in order to explain

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Speaker 1: human behavior. And the whole thing kind of treads the

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Speaker 1: and and how does it all factor into who and

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Speaker 1: what I am? Well, that's what I like about embodied cognition. Again,

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Speaker 1: this this newer field because it does take into account

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Speaker 1: this idea of acquired behaviors or behaviors that are pretty

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Speaker 1: much moved along by how we process information. But it

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Speaker 1: also has this idea of like, what if we are

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Speaker 1: or some sort of actual spiritual residence. Yeah, but that

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Speaker 1: what was found is that people who believe that they

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Speaker 1: then therefore, and I love how the study boils down

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Speaker 1: It wasn't. It's not just a matter of oh, well,

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Speaker 1: And what I like about that positive contagion is. It's

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Speaker 1: because these embodiment theories are trying to understand the mind

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Speaker 1: me of a little bit of Holy Scripture. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to read here for you. Bring it on. When the

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Speaker 1: was one of my favorite books. A Star Belli Sneeches

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Speaker 1: people can sometimes behave depending on how they're branded or

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Speaker 1: think or feel, our mental representations will be directly related

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Speaker 1: and motor functions of various thoughts, feelings and brain states

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Speaker 1: that's sort of the philosophical basis of this. But let's

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Speaker 1: psychologists Williams and Barg found that when they let participants

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Speaker 1: And and maybe even if you're going into a job interview, right,

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Speaker 1: other ideas of spiritual purity, moral purity, um, pure thoughts, etcetera, um,

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Speaker 1: and these become intertwined as as we as we evolved

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Speaker 1: visual representation, and as a result, there's a fairly high

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Speaker 1: error rate here, So it's a great way of trying

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Speaker 1: to gauge someone's engagement or attention spam. Huh. Well, you

430
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Speaker 1: know this test reminds me of the the awesome Internet

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Speaker 1: video Don't hug me, I'm scared. It's sort of like

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Speaker 1: a children's show and they're singing about creativity and then

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Speaker 1: it gets a little dark and they agree never to

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Speaker 1: be creative again. But it's the part where they're talking about, well,

435
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Speaker 1: how do you how do you engage creativity, how do

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Speaker 1: you act creatively? Creatively? And how do you think creatively?

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Speaker 1: And the lead character of the singing Little Notebook says,

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Speaker 1: one thing that you can do is you can get

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Speaker 1: a collection of sticks and leaves and spell out your

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Speaker 1: favorite color, which is in a sense using using ground brown,

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Speaker 1: using green to spell out something like red. Yes, I

442
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Speaker 1: believe they do this to children. Yeah, yeah, the strip

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Speaker 1: test with that exact video. And then they get to

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Speaker 1: the part where their void just takes them all down,

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Speaker 1: but until they start crying, it is interested. The one

446
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Speaker 1: character spells green with the green and brown sticks and

447
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Speaker 1: all and and that is ruled not a creative color.

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Speaker 1: And in a sense it isn't a creative color because

449
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Speaker 1: it's playing right into the dictation of the test. So

450
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Speaker 1: maybe there's more to that part of the video than

451
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Speaker 1: I gave it credit previously. It's possible. It's possible, but

452
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Speaker 1: it's a great example of how your mind is having

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Speaker 1: to try to make sense of the visual representations as

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Speaker 1: opposed to the word representation. And I really do think

455
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Speaker 1: they should do that with five year old and then

456
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Speaker 1: watch their brains melt um. I did want to point

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Speaker 1: out though, that this was this was the centerpiece of

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Speaker 1: the first experiment, in which fifty eight undergraduates were randomly

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Speaker 1: assigned to wear a white lab coat or street clothes,

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Speaker 1: and those who wore the white lab coats made about

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Speaker 1: half as many errors on incongruent trials as those who

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Speaker 1: wore regular clothes on the Stroop test. That's pretty impressive, right,

463
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Speaker 1: I mean, half as many just by wearing the coat.

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Speaker 1: And the second experiment, seventy four students were randomly assigned

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Speaker 1: to one of three options, wearing a doctor's coat, wearing

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Speaker 1: a painter's coat, which by the way, was the same

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Speaker 1: coat as the doctor's coat. They just called it the

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Speaker 1: pner's coat or seeing a doctor's coat. And then they

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Speaker 1: were giving given a test for sustained attention, and they

470
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Speaker 1: had to look at two very similar pictures side by

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Speaker 1: side on the screen and spot four minor differences, writing

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Speaker 1: them down as quickly as possible. So those who were

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Speaker 1: the doctor's coat, um, they found more differences than those

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Speaker 1: who were wearing the same coat that was called the

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Speaker 1: painter's coat, or those who were just wearing street clothes. Now,

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Speaker 1: the third experiment had students either wear the doctor's coat

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Speaker 1: or the painter's coat, and they were told to notice

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Speaker 1: a doctor's lab coat displayed on the desk in front

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Speaker 1: of them for for a long period of time, and

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Speaker 1: all three groups had to write essays about their thoughts

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Speaker 1: and the coats, and then they were tested again for attention.

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Speaker 1: And it turns out this group that were the doctor's code,

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Speaker 1: they showed the greatest improvement in attention. So what does

484
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Speaker 1: this mean. It means that they were embodying this cognition

485
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Speaker 1: of what it is to be a doctor and these

486
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Speaker 1: ideals of being attentive, of being well educated, of being

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Speaker 1: on point. Yeah, you put you step into the symbol,

488
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Speaker 1: you take it on yourself and you you you then

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Speaker 1: appear as that symbol and then you were thinking as

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Speaker 1: that symbol as well. You're taking on the guys of

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Speaker 1: the doctor, even if you're not actually thinking, Hey, I'm

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Speaker 1: wearing a doctor's coat. Now, how bet I can go

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Speaker 1: in there and perform surgery? Well, And this is what

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Speaker 1: is interesting about the study is that it begins to

495
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Speaker 1: to question, like, what are their aspects of our culture

496
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Speaker 1: are bringing up these ideas and having us fall in line.

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Speaker 1: So you think about police uniforms or inmate of forms. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the inmate uniform sends the signal that you are just

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Speaker 1: like everyone else, You're just a number. And also you're

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Speaker 1: going to stand out if you if you go, if

501
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Speaker 1: you escape from here, you're stripped of your identity right like,

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Speaker 1: not only you're taking from from the rights that you

503
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Speaker 1: had as someone in the outside world who could cook

504
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Speaker 1: whatever you wanted for breakfast, go wherever you wanted. Now

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Speaker 1: you're on the inside and you can't even express yourself

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Speaker 1: as an individual. Uh. Someone who is a police officer,

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Speaker 1: you know he or she has these these colors, these darker,

508
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Speaker 1: very serious colors. Yeah, the gleaming badgement to enforce this

509
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Speaker 1: idea of uh, you know, security in order. And then

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Speaker 1: there are nuns. Yes, how do you explain nuns? Well,

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Speaker 1: in one sense of the uniform, I mean in the

512
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Speaker 1: y of the habit, well, you do get a sense

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Speaker 1: of you know, darkness and light, very very somber outfit,

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Speaker 1: you know, masking a lot of the body and creating

515
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Speaker 1: this sort of Penglin like demeanor. And they're veiled. They

516
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Speaker 1: are brides of Jesus, right, the brides. So um again,

517
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Speaker 1: all this stuff going on to sort of you know,

518
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Speaker 1: operate as these underpinnings of how we perceive the world

519
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: and how we move around in it. Um. I feel

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Speaker 1: like all of these symbols, though there's there's also a

521
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: counter interpretation of the symbol, Like the cops uniform for

522
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: many people becomes a symbol of tyranny and abusive power.

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00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: The symbol of the doctor can also become a symbol

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Speaker 1: of bad news, a symbol of of being taken advantage of,

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00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 1: or you know, or certainly a symbol of of of

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Speaker 1: privilege to and privileged power. Yeah. I was thinking about

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Speaker 1: this in terms of Dr Leo Spaceman. Yes, gemin Drm

528
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Speaker 1: from thirty Rock who is the ridiculous doctor who shouldn't

529
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Speaker 1: at all be a doctor, And but he's wearing the

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Speaker 1: coat at all times, and then he's spewing nonsense and

531
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: everybody just sort of goes, Okay, it looks like a doctor.

532
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: And he's he's has a nice speaking voice, even though

533
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: everything he's saying it's complete garbage, complete garbage. And I

534
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: think that they're making some sort of comment on that,

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Speaker 1: like just put it, you know, a doctor's lab coat

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00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: on someone and immediately they have authority on all things.

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00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,959
Speaker 1: Now a more relatable thing that I think we can

538
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: all point to in our own life, like what do

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00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: you feel like when you dress up fancy? Do you

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Speaker 1: ever fancy yourself up awkward like heels are or the

541
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Speaker 1: devil stilts? Yeah? H now do you? But do you

542
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Speaker 1: ever not you're not wearing the heels that do you

543
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: ever feel like you ever dress fancy and feel fancy

544
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Speaker 1: in any way? Like? Is there ever a positive connotation

545
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: to that? I don't know. I mean, just don't dress

546
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Speaker 1: fancy that often. So I'm pretty comfortable in my skin.

547
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: So if I decided to put something fancy on, it's fine,

548
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Speaker 1: but it's not I don't go around like pretending like

549
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Speaker 1: I've got a really long like cigarette holder or anything. Well,

550
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: how about this, um, what do you wear when you

551
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,239
Speaker 1: go to yoga? You have a special garments you wear

552
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: just for yoga, A long velvet dress might Stevie next dress.

553
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: But you do have like yoga pants or something. Yes, okay,

554
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: So when you wear the yoga pants even before you

555
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Speaker 1: go to yoga, or if you're wearing them when you're

556
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Speaker 1: not going to yoga, do you find yourself sort of

557
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Speaker 1: entering the mindset of one who goes to yoga. I

558
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: feel stretchy, Sure, yeah, I feel flexible. I'm more open

559
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Speaker 1: to people. You know, I don't know. I might be

560
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Speaker 1: well because I kind of feel that way. I feel

561
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Speaker 1: like if I'm if I'm wearing yoga pants, even if

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to yoga, I do feel a little

563
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Speaker 1: more relaxed. I think it wears off of me, you know.

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Speaker 1: M I always remember my dad coming home from work

565
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Speaker 1: and coming home from his like very serious suit. We're

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Speaker 1: talking about a vest with his suit and suspenders, all

567
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: the accouterments of business life and shedding that as soon

568
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: as he came home, taking a shower and then coming

569
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Speaker 1: out in in all of his like you know, cotton

570
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: um leisure ware, I guess you call it. And it

571
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: was so funny because it was that transformation from day

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Speaker 1: to evening. Yeah, so I guess there is a bit

573
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Speaker 1: of that role playing going on. Yeah. Well, like I said,

574
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Speaker 1: we could set here and rattle off possible examples of

575
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Speaker 1: this all all all day long about how we wear

576
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Speaker 1: something different makes It's like what happens when you wear uh,

577
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: you know, ceremonial dark robes with pentagrams on them. You

578
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: feel a little more in touch with occult phenomena and

579
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Speaker 1: U and the secrets and mysteries of life. It maybe

580
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to try to have and see you

581
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: think about the next time you dress up for occult ritual. Well,

582
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Speaker 1: I wanted to, uh, just swing this little ditty by everybody.

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Speaker 1: This is from the Stanford Encyclopedia Philosophy about embodied cognition.

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Speaker 1: It says, quote, the genuine insight about the nature of

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Speaker 1: consciousness that embodied cognitive science has generated is that the

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Speaker 1: character of visual experience results from the way we are

587
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Speaker 1: dynamically hooked up to the world. Since for a motor

588
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: coupling with the environment is crucial in providing the organism

589
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Speaker 1: with the pro pre aceptive kinesthetic feedback necessary for the

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Speaker 1: senses of ownership and movement. When we touch an object,

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Speaker 1: for example, we do not exclusively have experience of it,

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Speaker 1: but while touching and being touched, we experience ourselves moving,

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Speaker 1: including the feeling of controlling our own body and action.

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00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: The account of that agency, the sense of controlling one's

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00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: body originates and processes that evolve for interaction with the environment,

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Speaker 1: that is, mechanisms for sensory processing and motor control, suggests

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Speaker 1: that embodied experience underpins self awareness. And I thought about

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00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: that in the context of the lab code. If you

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00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: feel the texture and the weight of that clothing, that

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00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: you begin to transform it into your actual motor skills,

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Speaker 1: your cognitive skills, and truly embody it. Yeah, very cool.

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00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it just comes down to this fact that

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00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: we are the cloth. The clothing makes the man. The

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00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: clients they say, you know, the clothing is a part

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00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: of who we are and how we interface with the world. Now,

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00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: one quick example we forgot to mention is it is

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Speaker 1: Halloween for Halloween, to what extent do we end up

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00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: taking on the the the mental image of the thing

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00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: that we are dressing up as like what were you

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Speaker 1: for Halloween? Most recently, I really don't like to dress

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00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: up for Halloween. But then I think it's because miss

612
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: my costumes have been a failure. But last time it

613
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: was a fifties housewife with like a fake turkey in

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Speaker 1: barbiturates that was strapped to me. That's pretty good. I

615
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, you well, at some point recently I

616
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Speaker 1: dressed up as a as a cop. Because this is

617
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Speaker 1: several years ago, but my wife and I dressed up

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Speaker 1: as the main character from Raising her Own Oh yeah,

619
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Speaker 1: so but I'm glad that she was a cop. Sorry,

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00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: she was a cop, and I was a a bank

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Speaker 1: Robert with a panty on my head, you know. So,

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00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: so I guess you know, when I dressed up is

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Speaker 1: that character. I kind of had to feel a little

624
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: bit like that character. So I felt good natured and

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00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: maybe a little goofy and suffocated, Yeah, and suffocated and

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00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: prone to um, you know, robbing liquor stores and a

627
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: new appreciation for pantyhose and in the trials and tribulations

628
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah. Alright, some some food for thought as

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Speaker 1: we move into this fall season and we in character Halloween.

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00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: Pretty soon. Yeah. Again, keep all this in mind as

631
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: you dress up for costume party, as you dress up

632
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: for your daily life, because we'd love to hear about you.

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Speaker 1: Is there a uniform that you have to wear, it

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Speaker 1: being an official uniform or sort of an unofficial uniform,

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Speaker 1: because like I remember, when I was working a newspaper,

636
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Speaker 1: the unofficial uniform I had to wear with this like

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Speaker 1: awful khaki pants, like the kind of balloon up in

638
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: the crotch whenever you sit down. Those are awful, and

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Speaker 1: uh that it was. It became a part of how

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