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Speaker 1: Welcome to Friday's initial a Big Blue Kickoff Live here

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Speaker 1: on giants dot com. He is Jeff Fiegel's I'm Lance Metal.

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Speaker 1: Good to be with you for the next sixty minutes.

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Speaker 1: is the start of Rookie Minicamp. They're going to take

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Speaker 1: part in practices today, They're gonna take part in practices

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Speaker 1: on Saturday. It will carry through Sunday. Sunday though, is

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Speaker 1: more of the film session, roomwork type of feel as

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Speaker 1: opposed to on the field work. But this is an opportunity, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: for them to bring in some street free agents, undrafted

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Speaker 1: free agents they signed thirteen of them, and the rookie

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Speaker 1: class and get a taste of what they could bring

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Speaker 1: to the table and see whether or not they deserve

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Speaker 1: a spot on the ninety man roster right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I don't know how much you call it practice,

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Speaker 1: because I mean, first of all, you gotta understand, UM,

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Speaker 1: they're not giving these guys a playbook. Correct. Most of

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Speaker 1: these guys are tryouts, UM, which is a great accomplishment

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Speaker 1: because I know, if you're somebody that's in a small

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Speaker 1: school and UM just your your goal in life is

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Speaker 1: to try to get to try out for an NFL team,

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Speaker 1: You're doing it here at this weekend. So it's a

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Speaker 1: great opportunity. For most of these guys that are here.

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Speaker 1: You know they're not gonna make it, unfortunately, but you

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Speaker 1: never know. There are some times that these guys stand out,

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Speaker 1: and really what this mini camp is all about is

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Speaker 1: trying to find maybe that needle in the haystack, if

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Speaker 1: you will, and invite one of these guys to the

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Speaker 1: regular mini caamp and then into training camp. But for

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Speaker 1: the most part, it's just kind of an extension of

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Speaker 1: the UM evaluation process that the scouting guys, they go

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Speaker 1: out there and look and see what you can find.

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Speaker 1: So um yeah, and then you really you you kind

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Speaker 1: of get them in the building and so it's it's

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun. I never I was never at

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Speaker 1: one of these. I was more because after the draft

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Speaker 1: was that UM, I didn't really get signed until then

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Speaker 1: we didn't have these when I was in came went

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Speaker 1: out of college, but um, it was the first Mini caamp.

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Speaker 1: But it's exciting. It's a intimidating because you walk into

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Speaker 1: see Eli Man and do you see alec Oldltry and

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Speaker 1: you see some of these guys, You're like, wow, okay, um,

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Speaker 1: pinch yourself. Am I really in the building? Yeah? I

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Speaker 1: guess I am. I'm there. I'm gonna go out in

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Speaker 1: the field. They're gonna give me. I was just watching

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Speaker 1: the guys in the field. You know, you saw that

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Speaker 1: their repeat numbers, so you know there was no there

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Speaker 1: was no number ten on the field today, but there

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Speaker 1: was a seventeen, which is Kyle I let his number.

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Speaker 1: But seventeen in the in the rookie Mini Caamp is

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Speaker 1: Matthew Lenahan, a QB from Idaho. So don't get caught

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Speaker 1: up in going out and buying your jerseys for any

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Speaker 1: of these numbers ahead of yourself. Yeah. So, but it

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Speaker 1: is an opportunity for these guys to do this, and

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Speaker 1: um and most of these guys will not be around,

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Speaker 1: but it's this and you know what I'm I'm ramdling

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Speaker 1: on a little bit, but it's important because this is

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Speaker 1: also about evaluating and getting a short list of guys

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Speaker 1: that you may they may not make it. I'm into

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Speaker 1: training camp, but if they're do really well on this

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Speaker 1: of there on that, and that's what this is all about. Well.

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Speaker 1: And also, Jeff, I'll take it a step further. During

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Speaker 1: the season, they have workouts every week when they bring

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Speaker 1: in guys to get them caught up, see how they're doing.

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Speaker 1: They could be on that list where oh, there certainly

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Speaker 1: will BEAK nine. We want to update our wide receivers,

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Speaker 1: so we'll bring back somebody to see how he is.

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Speaker 1: And that's correct, and um, you know, so you you

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Speaker 1: I I don't know you know of of a list

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Speaker 1: So the Giants scouting department has done it's due dillinges

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Speaker 1: a nice one. Then there's a lot of them, ten picks,

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Speaker 1: thirteen undrafted free agents that have been signed, so twenty three.

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Speaker 1: That right now you can at least think about accounting

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Speaker 1: within the nine demon roster. But to your point, is

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Speaker 1: a laundry list they have in front of you. Jeff

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Speaker 1: there's plenty of other guys that are not necessarily guaranteed

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Speaker 1: spots throughout the course of this Giant's offseason program. You

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Speaker 1: brought up Canada. Remember Brett Jones was discovered that CFL.

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Speaker 1: So they have found and believe it or not. My

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Speaker 1: He actually was just my snapper for two years and

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Speaker 1: because that was kind of a long time ago. Well,

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Speaker 1: to maybe acknowledging what may be wrong with you that

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Speaker 1: physical or mental standpoint five three is the telephone number.

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Speaker 1: So rookie minicamp, as we mentioned underway, Daniel Jones was

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Speaker 1: already addressing the media. Some of the rookies are still talking.

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Speaker 1: And you know one of the things that was interesting

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Speaker 1: the pick, So curious to hear your perspective on what

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Speaker 1: some of these rookies gonna bring to the table and

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Speaker 1: the decisions the giants made. But it goes without saying

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Speaker 1: the reaction to the sixth overall pick was across the

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Speaker 1: And he says, hey, in this day and age, no

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Speaker 1: to be on football, We're all not naive. We all

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Speaker 1: see the reactions that go around and so forth. So

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Speaker 1: he acknowledged he's been aware of it. But at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, he can only control what he

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Speaker 1: can control, and right now, Jeff to get on the field,

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Speaker 1: learn the playbook, and be prepared if and when his

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Speaker 1: number is called. Short of that, there is nothing else

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones could do at this point. No, you gotta

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Speaker 1: have your blinders on. It's hard to have your blinders

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Speaker 1: bit easier. But I think that part of the part

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Speaker 1: of the makeup why he he was picked at six

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Speaker 1: believe that the organization understands that he will be able

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Speaker 1: can this please be over with? Yeah? Yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: else do you want to know? Okay, time will tell

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Speaker 1: And here's the other thing that I've been hearing, Jeff, Well,

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Speaker 1: forget seventeen second round round. First of all, Jeff, they

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Speaker 1: took Ryan Massive, they took Kylo Letta, they took David's Webb.

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Speaker 1: to themselves, Yeah, we're gonna roll the dice on a

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Speaker 1: You have to because you have a thirty eight year

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Speaker 1: not gonna know how good In fact, even in training camp,

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Speaker 1: I mean in in preseason, Oh, I got it was

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Speaker 1: four touchdowns. It's against you, Okay, yeah it's not. It's not.

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Speaker 1: It's against there. And I think that, you know. But

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Speaker 1: at that position this year. Okay, And then I mean

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Speaker 1: that that Arizona defense just kind of you got a

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Speaker 1: little bit of history there, so well, you have familiarity

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Speaker 1: to your point, and that's going to accelerate the young

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Speaker 1: guys and the newer guys to hopefully adjust to the defense.

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Speaker 1: And you're right, I think that they've got players at

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Speaker 1: multiple positions that they can move around. And you threw

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Speaker 1: up Marcus Golden, O'Shane Zimmenez as well as Lorenzo Carter.

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Speaker 1: Those three guys. Golden's got a little bit more experience,

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Speaker 1: but remember still recovering from the torn a c l.

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Speaker 1: Between those three, they're hoping that, you know, they can

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Speaker 1: surprise some people and become consistent pass rushers so that

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Speaker 1: even though they don't right now have the household name,

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Speaker 1: they can at least move them around in games and

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Speaker 1: get that sack production up because they only had dirty

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Speaker 1: sacks last season. Nobody's trying to make that picture look

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Speaker 1: rosier than it is. It was at the bottom of

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Speaker 1: the rankings. And when you don't get after the quarterback

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Speaker 1: and you don't have a lot of good secondary players

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Speaker 1: that can be shut down corners, it's very hard, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: to overcome those obstacles. And I would say, if we

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Speaker 1: can get off the draft and maybe go to the college.

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Speaker 1: But I think that, you know, this draft, one thing

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Speaker 1: that I thought we would have seen a little bit

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Speaker 1: more of, and I guess really it was a cornerback

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Speaker 1: that we saw a lot. Uh is the head rushers?

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Speaker 1: I mean, where where are they? Um? And that was

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a head scratcher for me. Is

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Speaker 1: like okay, but you know what again, it's I'm not

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Speaker 1: running the draft. Um. They have a plan and we'll

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Speaker 1: see what happens. But those guys that are there now,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna need to they need to step up and

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Speaker 1: get some heat. And maybe coach Betcher and Dave Gelliman

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Speaker 1: and Pat Hermer are saying, you know, listen, rather than

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Speaker 1: does create that that pressure from the outside which we need,

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Speaker 1: we feel that the guys from the interior can put

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Speaker 1: some pressure on the quarterback and then we can get

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Speaker 1: a little bit of pressure from our outside linebackers and

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Speaker 1: that three or four defense with with Lorenzo Carter and

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Speaker 1: Golden and guys like that. And I agree with you,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's the goal. Because of Dexter Lawrence,

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Speaker 1: who's sixty two, he's a present, as you hinted at

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Speaker 1: right off the start. If you can get him with

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Speaker 1: that pressure up the gut. Theoretically, you think that that's

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Speaker 1: going to open up opportunities for the guys off the edges,

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Speaker 1: because if the pile now is all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: moving forward, it's closing in fast. The quarterback can't run

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Speaker 1: up through the pocket. So therefore he's got nowhere to go.

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Speaker 1: That at least is the whole goal that is playing out.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure in their minds right now. And I know

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Speaker 1: that you're banking on, you know, a second season of

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Speaker 1: b J Hill, who had five and a half sacks

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Speaker 1: last year. I did have three in one game, but

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Speaker 1: but I think that he as a guy that you

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Speaker 1: could see as he as the as the season went along,

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Speaker 1: he got better. Now you're always you're always a little

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Speaker 1: bit that sophomore slump. It's real now, it really And

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Speaker 1: I think that, um, you have to kind of take

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Speaker 1: that into consideration. But I think that really when you

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Speaker 1: talk about where this defense is gonna try to get

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Speaker 1: to that pressure, it could be from the inside and

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Speaker 1: some some of these guys blitzing and maybe that's the

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Speaker 1: that's their theory. I don't know, but I think that, um,

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Speaker 1: one thing that they do have is they have some

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Speaker 1: experience at the safety position. Okay, you've got experience at

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Speaker 1: the cornerback and you've got some two young guys that

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Speaker 1: are going to compete for that other cornerback position that

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Speaker 1: they feel can cover. DeAndre Baker can cover. He was

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Speaker 1: always on the number one guy coming out of the SEC.

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Speaker 1: He did very well. They have lot of confidence that

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Speaker 1: he can go. He's the first round draft pick. Number pick.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna be a starter if you're a first round pen.

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Speaker 1: They gave up a number of assets for him to get,

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Speaker 1: so you gotta believe that. Um, they feel confident with

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Speaker 1: their back with the top the back side of the

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Speaker 1: defense being able to cover so that this defense can

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Speaker 1: get after the quarterback. Choose zero five one three. That

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Speaker 1: is the telephone number. Hashtag Giants chat on Twitter or reminder.

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Speaker 1: Big Blue Kickoff Live is presented by Corp's Light. Let's

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Speaker 1: open up the phone lines. Want to hear from you

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Speaker 1: as we move forward here till the top of the hour,

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Speaker 1: we have Peter in Buffalo. He joins us here on

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Speaker 1: Big Blue Kickoff Live. Peter, Welcome to the program. What

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Speaker 1: do you got for us? Peter? Yeah, Hi, guys, I

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Speaker 1: just saying I wanted to um make comment about the draft. Sure,

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Speaker 1: I personally I love the draft, unlike everybody else, I thought,

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Speaker 1: you know, I would have loved that, Josh Allen. But

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Speaker 1: I think the Giants really short up their secondary. I

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Speaker 1: think they really um reinforced the center of their defense,

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Speaker 1: the defensive line in and But the one comment that

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Speaker 1: I the one thing I wanted to ask you guys

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Speaker 1: about really is what is going on with the obvious

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Speaker 1: media bias against the Giants. Well, well, I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's the bias. What what I think it is is

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Speaker 1: I think it's individuals that are picking and choosing what

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Speaker 1: they want to quote from a press conference to set

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Speaker 1: forth a narrative. That that's the best way that I

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Speaker 1: think I would explain to Peter case of point, I

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Speaker 1: had to back and forth with somebody on Twitter yesterday

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Speaker 1: and not to get off on a tangent, Jeff, and

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna perspective to know, somebody wrote me that I

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Speaker 1: was wrong when I was on the air. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if it was here or I forget. If you

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Speaker 1: ever call Lance wrong, I can tell you that right

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Speaker 1: now you will feel my rat be that No, I

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Speaker 1: didn't think it was you, Peter har up on your

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Speaker 1: I'm bringing up the story to basically lay out the

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Speaker 1: point you're making. So the point was that at Dave

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Speaker 1: Gentleman's press conference day one after they took Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 1: everybody's running with the narrative that Dave Gettelman claimed that

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Speaker 1: the only reason why they drafted Daniel Jones he went

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Speaker 1: to the Senior Bowl series and then he knew right there,

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Speaker 1: if you go back, and I tweeted out the transcript,

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Speaker 1: he first claims, I absolutely loved him when watching film,

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Speaker 1: loved everything about him. Then I went to the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 1: I watched him practice, I watched him go through his

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Speaker 1: three series, and that basically confirmed what already I saw

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Speaker 1: in film. Yet people are taking the quote of just

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Speaker 1: watching him in three series and making the assumption that

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Speaker 1: that was the only basis to draft him. So, Peter,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's necessarily bias. I think it's people

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Speaker 1: picking and choosing not the full truth, to run forth

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Speaker 1: with narratives to still head to steal headlines. That's the

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Speaker 1: way that I look at it. Just kinda to reinforce

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Speaker 1: my point here, Like before the draft, all they talked

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Speaker 1: about was man of his age and how he's too old,

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Speaker 1: can't play anymore. Yet they don't say anything about Roethlisberger, Rivers,

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Speaker 1: Brees Brady, who are all the same age or older

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Speaker 1: and getting new contracts too. By the way, Well, but Peter, well, Peter,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell I'll tell you why. You know, they need

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Speaker 1: to take the quarterback, so they take a quarterback at

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Speaker 1: number six, but you have to reach for their quarterback

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Speaker 1: now and now you know nothing is ever good enough

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Speaker 1: for the media. Well, I'll tell you why they don't

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Speaker 1: treat Eli the same way as Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger

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Speaker 1: and Tom Brady. And most fans are gonna say the

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Speaker 1: same thing. If you look at the Patriots, you look

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Speaker 1: at the Dealers, you need to think of the Chargers.

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Speaker 1: You've had three teams that have won consistently, more so

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Speaker 1: than the Giants. And unfortunately, we live in a world

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Speaker 1: and I don't agree with this that people isolate the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: They isolate the quarterback, and they think the only reason

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Speaker 1: why the Giants have struggled is because of Eli Manning.

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Speaker 1: When if you've watched football, and Jeff knows this because

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Speaker 1: he's watched very closely, the defense special teams is just

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Speaker 1: as responsible for the Giant shortcomings as is their offensive shortcomings.

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Speaker 1: They gave up the most points in the division last year,

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Speaker 1: and they also scored the most point and the fact

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Speaker 1: show that, but unfortunately nobody wants to take that in

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Speaker 1: the consideration. Yeah, they talked about how Eli Manning camp

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Speaker 1: play anymore, But if you actually watch Eli Manning play,

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Speaker 1: you know most of his bad games come from, you know,

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Speaker 1: the fact that he was on his butt half the time.

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Speaker 1: Well the offensive line, and you give him, you give

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Speaker 1: him two to three seconds to throw the ball, He's

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Speaker 1: gonna tear def on some part. Eli certainly has shown

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Speaker 1: that he can produce, there's no doubt about that. Are

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Speaker 1: we saying that he's better than Ben Roethlisberger, better than

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady, better than Philip Rivers. I'm not gonna go

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Speaker 1: that far, and I don't think it necessarily accomplishes anything.

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Speaker 1: But for people to claim that the only reason why

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Speaker 1: the Giants have struggled to make the playoffs over recent

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Speaker 1: history is because of the play of the quarterback, they

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Speaker 1: clearly have not been watching this team very closely. That's

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Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. The bias. Well, well, I once again,

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Speaker 1: you know, to say that it's a bias. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if I'd go that far, Peter, and appreciate the

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Speaker 1: phone call. Thanks so much for weighing in. I think

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Speaker 1: it's more of the fact that we live once again

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Speaker 1: in a media driven world where it's important to get

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Speaker 1: the headline out, get the story out, as opposed to

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Speaker 1: tell the whole story, and we live in a world

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Speaker 1: where there's impatience. Jeff, you know, nobody wants to take

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Speaker 1: the time. I could tweet out the entire Dave Gettoman transcript. Okay,

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Speaker 1: even Giants fans are gonna claim I don't have the

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Speaker 1: time to read through the whole thing. Give me the

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Speaker 1: cliff Notes version. I can't give you the cliff notes

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Speaker 1: version because the cliff Notes version is not gonna tell

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Speaker 1: the whole story. The cliff Notes version is taking the

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Speaker 1: juicy SoundBite that he said I saw three series of

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Speaker 1: him at the Senior Bowl, But the cliff Notes version

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Speaker 1: is not going to provide the proper context to claim, well,

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Speaker 1: he said a whole lot before he went into the

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl dissertation. So I'm not here, Jeff's not here

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Speaker 1: to give you the cliff Notes version. If you want

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Speaker 1: to take the time to understand the facts, Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: gotta read it, you gotta look into it. If you

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Speaker 1: want to just jump on the juicy headline, then you

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Speaker 1: know what social media and Twitter plays right into your needs.

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Speaker 1: And that's exactly where we are right now. And the

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Speaker 1: Giants are no different than other teams. I mean, I've

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Speaker 1: seen headlines, and I covered the entire league for serious

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Speaker 1: I've seen also headlines for other teams, whether it be

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Speaker 1: Antonio Brown, the Steelers storylines that doesn't tell the whole

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Speaker 1: story because people don't have the time to actually read

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Speaker 1: and go through the whole transcript or go through the

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Speaker 1: whole pressure. It's a good call, good point, and I

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Speaker 1: understand where he's coming from it and once again appreciate

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Speaker 1: the phone call, Peter, thanks so much for weighing in.

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Speaker 1: And it's unfortunate that, you know, Daniel Jones, who has

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Speaker 1: no control over where he was gonna gone, he is

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Speaker 1: now taking the front of it and he has yet

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Speaker 1: to play one snap on the football field right now. Jeff. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But like I said, I just hope that just can

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Speaker 1: we just stop with it, you know, and be done.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know this is kind of this is

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Speaker 1: news worthy because this is the rookie minicamp and it's

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Speaker 1: the time that the media now gets in front of

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Speaker 1: all these players. And where they gonna go. They're gonna

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Speaker 1: go to Daniel Jones, They'll they'll go to They'll go

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Speaker 1: to to the other guys that got drafted to the

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Speaker 1: higher ones. But that's that's what they're doing right now.

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Speaker 1: But really, you make a good point. If you want

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Speaker 1: to know then what's going you need to read the

640
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: whole story, not just what these guys are putting out

641
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: and making their own little quotes up. And it just

642
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: sounds horrible. Like, really, if you think that the general

643
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: manager is going to take a quarterback with the sixth

644
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: position by not watching film on him, he's gonna go

645
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: out the senior ball and fall in love with them.

646
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: I mean, how naive can you be? How naive can

647
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: you be? The naivety of the situation is overwhelming. Even

648
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: if you don't like a general manager, you don't like

649
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: an executive. How is a fan okay? And I'm gonna

650
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: give the benefit of the doubt for the entire fan

651
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: base here, okay, which is probably gonna be against my

652
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: smart way. He's a thinking but I'm gonna give him

653
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: the benefit of that. Okay, how do you as a fan? Okay,

654
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: I don't care if you watched one football game in

655
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: your entire life. Do you really think? Okay, the NFL

656
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: regular season ended for the Giants at the end of December,

657
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: first week of January, so they've had all of January,

658
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: all of February, all of March, all of April. Okay,

659
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: So Jeff, who in their right mind thinks that Dave gentleman?

660
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: All he did was he went to the Senior Bowl.

661
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: He watched the play three series and that was the

662
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: only homework that was done, the only thing the scouting

663
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: team reported to him backwards, and how impressed they were

664
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,239
Speaker 1: over one game. That's you know, that's what they come on.

665
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: Don't be that gullible. Don't be that gull of two

666
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: zero one one three. Dan is in Piscataway, Dan, Welcome

667
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: to the the Big Blue kick Off Lives. What do you

668
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: got for us? Hey? Hell are you? How are you? Jeff?

669
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:14,239
Speaker 1: Thanks for all your great coffin corner punt guy are

670
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: the best. Um, I gotta tell you, I'm with you,

671
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: you know, watching the draft, I'm like, I'm like the

672
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: only football guy in my house. I was down in

673
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: the bait. I scared the hell out of my family

674
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: because I was moaning all over the place. I was like, no,

675
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: you know when when they passed on Allen, But I've

676
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: come in off the ledge. I watched. I watched all

677
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: the film on this kid. He is an incredibly accurate passer,

678
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: and he he played under stress. And one of the

679
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: things I read was a really glowing interview, uh, given

680
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: by his quarterback coach on another website that's pretty reputable.

681
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: And his quarterback coach, I forget his name, well, Zach Roeper.

682
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: I actually I did that interview. I don't know if

683
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: you're a rant to the interview I did that. Could

684
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: could he could he possibly? Could he possibly have given

685
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: him a better review? I mean he called him, he

686
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: called him a twitchy athlete. I'm I'm maybe maybe he

687
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: did two interviews, because it might be a separate I

688
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: don't know, it's possible. I'm just saying, I don't know

689
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: which one of your fy twitch a twitchy athlete who

690
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: has the kind of accuracy that you can't teach, and

691
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: and you know what you actually do see it on film,

692
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: you know, And and then the other thing is, this

693
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: guy's got some wheels. You know that forty touchdown run

694
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: against North Carolina where he breaks into the secondary and

695
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: then he hits the second gear. It was like it

696
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: was like watching se Quan in slow motion. It was weird.

697
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: But he actually hits the gear and splits the defenders

698
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: and gets it in the end zone. I think we're

699
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: gonna like this kid. And here's the other thing. I'm

700
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: going to take it off the air because I'm getting

701
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: all excited. But we can nd this division this year.

702
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: I mean, our secondary was awful last year and we

703
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,959
Speaker 1: have we're stacked now young players. Yes, they're gonna make

704
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: some mistakes, but yeah, if we get it going, just

705
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: win the division, make the playoffs, wild card if it

706
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: has to be, and you know then it's anybody's anybody's

707
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: can't get pumped forget this. We're gonna win seven games.

708
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: We're gonna win eight games. We're gonna make a little progress.

709
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: We've made a lot of changes. And I'll take it

710
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: off the air. Thanks for all right, appreciate the phone call.

711
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: There certainly has been a lot of turnover. I mean,

712
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: I understand his point about the volume, and we just

713
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: had an entire detailed conversation about the corners, but keep

714
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: in mind they have yet to play one NFL game.

715
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: We're talking there's volume there, but there's unproven volume there.

716
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: So I get the optimism. I'm not trying to be

717
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: a Debbie Downer. It's just to provide some perspective here.

718
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: And there's been certainly turnover across the roster, the defense,

719
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: the offense. There's gonna be new guys and new roles,

720
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: additional play years that are going to get some more

721
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: reps this season. The result is some of the veterans

722
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: being traded. But you know, we got to see some

723
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: of these guys get out of the field in an

724
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: NFL raging season environment before you you know, run ahead

725
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: of yourself there and say that they're going to be

726
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: in a much better position than most of the other

727
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 1: teams in the division, who I think are leaning a

728
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: little bit more on veterans. But you know, to go

729
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: to go back that what we were saying earlier is

730
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: that the guys that you do have here, you believe

731
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: that they can be good players. But in the past,

732
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: the guys that you had here, you just had them

733
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: here because you needed to fill out the roster for

734
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: God's sakes. I mean, really, when you look at the

735
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: guys that are here now, you have a good, good

736
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: confidence that these guys can play, and maybe yes it's

737
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: gonna take a little bit, but you know it's gonna

738
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: be better than what you've had before and you build

739
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: some good quality depth that those guys can develop. Um,

740
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: so we'll see, we'll see from that standpoint, and you

741
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: know what that goes through the whole roster, by the way,

742
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: that's your philosophy. And one thing that this team in

743
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: the past has not been able to do is build

744
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: good depth with good players. They haven't been able to

745
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: do it through the draft in years in the in

746
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: the and the regime prior to this. So now that

747
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: Dave Gentleman is in his second draft, I think that

748
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: you're seeing a lot of good, good players. Look what

749
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: they did last year. The draft picks they came in

750
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: and they contributed to a team. It was only won

751
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: five games, but I think that when you look at

752
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: the production out of those draft picks, you get excited

753
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: about that and if you can just carry that over

754
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: into this year's draft and then next year those guys

755
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: start to develop and you all of a sudden, you've

756
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: got yourself a pretty good team. That's an excellent point, Jeff,

757
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: and I think if you look at Sae Kwon, Barkley,

758
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: Will Hernandez, Lorenzo card or b J. Hill. Okay, those

759
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: are the top four players that the Giants selected last round.

760
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: No two of them were third rounders, but it was

761
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: the first four. But from my point, my point has

762
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: always been your third rounders and second and first, they've

763
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: got to give you a contribution immediately unless they get

764
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: hurt or something like that. But look at that what

765
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: you just said. Now you look at this year, Dexter, Lawrence,

766
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: DeAndre Baker, O'shane's Imminez. I'm not gonna include Daniel Jones

767
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: because we don't know what he's playing to I was

768
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: gonna be. So let's strow Julian Loving there because Julian

769
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: Love was a fourth rounder, Lawrence Baker, Zimenez and Love.

770
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 1: The goal is because all of them are gonna have

771
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: opportunities to get on the field. They're all going to

772
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: play key positions. You get what you can get out

773
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: of Barkley, Hernandez, Carter and Hill. That is a huge

774
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: step in the right direction for a team. How many

775
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: draft classes should we bring up to prove that there's

776
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: nobody still currently on the roster, Jeff or they had

777
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: very little production. So Gettleman wants to go in the

778
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: opposite direction. He wants to now start stacking drafts where

779
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: the top four players every year are a big key

780
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: component of your nucleus. And when you when you mentioned

781
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: those names that you just mentioned, I believe there's only

782
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: two on offense. Okay, the rest of them are all

783
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: defensive players, Barkley, Hernandez and yeah, that's it. That's now

784
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: when you're going ahead and look at this team going forward,

785
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: the I guess the emphasis is defense. It's because the

786
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: defense was horrendous last year, you know. And it's funny

787
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: because coming into the season last year you thought they

788
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: were going to be decent. I don't know, it just

789
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 1: didn't happen. But offensively, now you look at this offense

790
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: and what is what's You've got a good nucleus of

791
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: good players that are gonna return on this offense that

792
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: we're obviously you're not you're missing thirteen. Okay, he's gone.

793
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: But you know what you do, You go back and

794
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 1: you replace. You're not going to replace thirteens production on

795
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: the field. You're just not gonna do it with the

796
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: guys that are here. With one guy, however, you did

797
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 1: go out and get Golden Tad, who was a good

798
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: possession guy that will make you some yards after the catch.

799
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: He's a tough dude, he doesn't get you know, he's

800
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 1: gonna play well. And you've got some of those returning

801
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 1: guys that played for you last year that you didn't

802
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: think there were you know, it was kind of like

803
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: a tryout if you will last year. Well they re

804
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 1: signed them. Okay. So and then your line situation, you've

805
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: got you've got your offensive line that's kind of coming

806
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: to it's it's it's coming to fruition a little bit.

807
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: It's it's being built over the last year. And I

808
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: mean you're certainly excited about the left hand side. The

809
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: right hand side. I think there's more to come if

810
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: you will help on the right absolutely, So that right

811
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: tackle is still a little bit of a question mark.

812
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: And and I think that that it may be address

813
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: and free agency. Still there's still a lot of time

814
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: left before training camp in the season, folks. And then

815
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: you went out and you drafted Big George from Kentucky.

816
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: They call him should I should I attempt? Should I attempt? Well?

817
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: One time good earlier in the program, George Asapho A J. Close,

818
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: I'll give you credit. Alright, I'm just gonna do yet

819
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: the A D and then okay, well, I mean he's

820
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 1: a he's a seventh round draft pick, but um, very

821
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: good run stopper, played right tackle in college. But you

822
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: know he's a seventh round guy, which is a borderline

823
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 1: burline free agent when you talk about correct, He's gonna

824
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: come in, he's gonna compete, he's gonna battle for a

825
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: roster spot. And if he doesn't make the roster practice squad,

826
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: I think it's something within the conversation. But you know,

827
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if the expectations are that he's going

828
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 1: to push chat Wheeler, that he's gonna claim his starting job. Listen,

829
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 1: if he does that, that's great news for the job.

830
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: Take that, hey, more competition that. I guess my point

831
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: that when we were talking was that, you know, the

832
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: draft the last two years has been dominated by the

833
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 1: defensive side of the football, and you need to start

834
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: seeing some um investment on a return on your investment here.

835
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: And I'm hoping that you will this year. Yeah. Well,

836
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: because we talked about drafted defensive lineman, you drafted linebacker's,

837
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: drafted corners. So now you want to Okay, and what

838
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: if you missed? Yeah, and you had a free agent

839
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: and Olga Tree last year. Okay, Goodson, you know he

840
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: was hurt and he can stay on the field, and

841
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: that's you're gonna be your starter in middle linebacker with

842
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: Olga Tree. Okay, you went out in free agent and

843
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 1: got yourself a defensive edge rusher um in Golden from Arizona.

844
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: So um, yeah, I mean we're improving here. But I

845
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: think that the act the idea of Betcher's defense, you've

846
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: gotta have a lot of guys on the same page.

847
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: And I don't think that's what happened. I do think

848
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: that because Collins has left, you had to go out

849
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: there and get a veteran safety because you need that

850
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: from in Betcher's defense, you've gotta have a safety that

851
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: kind of understands what's going on. And Antoine Bethea knows it,

852
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 1: he's played it, he's been there before. And of course

853
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: your Bill Pep versus going to be I think you guys,

854
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: I think everyone's gonna fall in love with your Bill Peppers.

855
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he's kind of that exciting player. He's a

856
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: young guy, and really, when you start getting into your third, fourth,

857
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: fifth year in the league, that's when you start figuring

858
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: things out. And I think he's going to be a

859
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 1: heck of a player to watch. And you know what, Listen,

860
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: the guy can kick, the guy can return punts a

861
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: special team. So I mean he's the you know, the

862
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: more you can do, they say, your asset goes through

863
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: the roof if you're extremely versatile, like you contribute to

864
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: multiple facets and you know, the other point about Bethet

865
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: is Peppers is somebody who's been in the league. But

866
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: keep in mind he's only during the third of his career.

867
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: It's not as if he's seen an overwhelming amount of

868
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: different defenses and offenses that you know, you want to

869
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: have somebody there to compliment him, and that's where I

870
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: think comes into And he also he played in a

871
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: pretty good defense. Cleveland was a pretty good defense, very

872
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 1: opportunistic less so um, I think that that will bring

873
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 1: a lot of quality and value at that position, so

874
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: um a lot of leadership too, And he came from

875
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 1: an aggressive defense because Greg Williams, who was there defensive coordinate,

876
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: who's now with the Jets. You know, he loves the blitz,

877
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: loves to put pressure on the quarterback and Betcher He's

878
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: going to try to get to that point depending on

879
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: how the personnel plays out. All right, let's head back

880
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: to the phone lines. We've got Scott in New Mexico. Scott,

881
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: Welcome the Big Blue Kickoff Live. What do you got first? Hi, guys,

882
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: I'm a little conflicted, and maybe you can help me

883
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: walk myself off the ledge. But I can't agree that

884
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 1: the first two picks for the Giants were good ones,

885
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: and I sort of based it on resumes and looking

886
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 1: at Daniel Jones, I think he's more of a project

887
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: quarterback than he really is a sixth round draft choice.

888
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: And the reason I say, maybe you can tell me

889
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: why I'm wrong. I looked to add his record uh

890
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 1: in total at Duke and realizing that the offensive line

891
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: wasn't really very good and they had the highest drop

892
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: right in the country of the wide receivers. But if

893
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: you you look at his games in thirty six starts,

894
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: he had twenty interceptions and when throwing on the movie

895
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: completed passes at thirty seven point five passes over twenty

896
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: yards he was completing. His completion percentage was Now I

897
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: know in Cutcliffe's offense, he basically did a lot of

898
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: one step and throw the ball. Does he have the

899
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: ability to read defenses? I really don't know, since he

900
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 1: wasn't put in that position that often at Dupe. So

901
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 1: what I'm worried about, and maybe you can tell me

902
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: why I'm wrong. Eli Manning has been very lucky in

903
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: his career not to get seriously injured. If Daniel Jones

904
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: is a project player, and I'm not rootied against him,

905
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: I just want to make that clear, but I'm just

906
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: looking at his record overall, and if he is a

907
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: project player, I'm not confident they have a backup quarterback

908
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: in either Aletta or Kenny does assuming that they're not

909
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: going to keep four quarterbacks on the roster, would it

910
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 1: be conceivable that the Giants would actually look to get

911
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: another backup or do you think that these things will

912
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: work itself out in training camp? Because Tanny from at

913
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: least I suspect, hasn't thrown more than six or seven

914
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: passes in his whole career as an NFL quarterback, and

915
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 1: we already know what transpired with last year, not that

916
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: he can improve, but I am worried about the quarterback

917
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: position as a sign of weakness, potentially based on again

918
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: what I'm reading to you now. So am I wrong

919
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: in my assumption or do you think there's a better

920
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: way to look at this? Well, I don't think. I

921
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: don't think any of us can tell you if you're

922
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: right or wrong until we actually see Now, I don't think.

923
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: I don't see I don't see Daniel Jones as being

924
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: a project. I see Daniel Jones as being the future

925
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: of this franchise as a quarterback by by the intangibles

926
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: and some of the things that the scouting department and

927
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: upper management figured out why they liked this guy. Okay,

928
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: So I think that you know in college, is he

929
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: a smart guy? He went to Duke Okay. And what

930
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: I like about what I like about Daniel Jones is

931
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: he was a walk on and he moved away up

932
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 1: and he became a starter and became a six round draft,

933
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 1: a six six round six pick in the first round,

934
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: which tells me a lot about his character in the

935
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: way that he's going to go about his business. So

936
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: do I think he can read defenses. Yes, I do.

937
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: I also believe that he's he fits the Pat Shermer

938
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: offense where you gotta be there is some mobility. He

939
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: has some mobility. Now he's not a you know, he's

940
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: not an r G three or a guy like you

941
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: know that that can get out and run, run, run,

942
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: but he does have some mobility, which and he has

943
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: has some. He does. His accuracy was suspect in college.

944
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: I he was okay. However, look at the Pat Shermer defense.

945
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: It's a short passing offense. And you know, so that

946
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: kind of goes hand in hand with what he did

947
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: at Duke. So you know, listen, I don't we can't

948
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: tell you if it's if you're right or wrong. I

949
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: think time will tell. In my opinion, Yeah, the deep

950
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: ball is certainly a facet of his game that needs

951
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,720
Speaker 1: to improve. I mean, he even he he has admitted

952
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: that himself. And and you're right, you know, Duke did

953
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 1: run an offense where because of the offensive line, get

954
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: rid of the ball quickly and hopefully correct and then

955
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: hopefully the talent gets yack yardage to you know, put

956
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: them in a position to pick up a first down.

957
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: But you know, your point about understanding defense, or at

958
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: least your question. I could tell you from talking with

959
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 1: his quarterback coach, from hearing David Cutcliffe and just watching film.

960
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: He was asked to make changes at the line of

961
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: scrimmage a lot of times, and move personnel around and

962
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: make adjustments based on what the defense through his way

963
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: because Cutcliffe challenges his quarterbacks. He did it with Paynton,

964
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: he did with Eli, and just look at the other

965
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that he worked with. I'm not saying they've all

966
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: panned out, but yes, he was tested from an intellect standpoint,

967
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: even in that system, to constantly make adjustments, read the defense,

968
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: and react. So I don't think that's an overwhelming concern.

969
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: I get the point about maybe the deep ball is

970
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: not where you'd want it to be, and I do

971
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: think that's an area that he needs to improve. But

972
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: the other thing is when you throw out some of

973
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: the numbers that you did, Scott, remember drop asss impact percentage,

974
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: so you know, and I haven't necessarily broken down the

975
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: numbers that carefully, but when somebody reads me, well on

976
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: this deep ball, he only has a conversion rate of well,

977
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: how much of those passes were dropped? Because I've seen

978
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: film where he's thrown deep and he goes right through

979
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 1: the wide receiver's heads. When you the Duke receivers had

980
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: the highest rate of dropping dropping passes in college football,

981
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: and it was at ten point seven. But when you

982
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: extrapolate that number out, in other words, and then you

983
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: you counter with what he did, his QBR rating was

984
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: only thirty six, best in the country. And that's with

985
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: all the drops. So it's not just you know, the

986
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: fact that he had receivers that were dropping past it.

987
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: And again I'm trying not to be negative. I wanted

988
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: I get where you're coming from, not we're not attacking you.

989
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: I mean, all of it is fair questions and fair

990
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: points it and nobody's claiming that he's a finished product.

991
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 1: And also nobody's claiming that statistically he was the most

992
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: impressive college quarterback because he wasn't. Factually he was not.

993
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: But I will say this, if we went back over

994
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: NFL history, is the first quarterback taken always the guy

995
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: with the best statistical output. So you know, how much

996
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: can you basically claimed that, Well, if you don't have

997
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: the greatest numbers in your class, then the success rate

998
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: is going to go down the tubes. I don't know

999
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: if you can necessarily make that claim. I have one

1000
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: other question, if il real quick? Uh? I think that

1001
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: what the Giants did at the corner position was the

1002
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: right thing. But where my uh where, I'm a little

1003
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: hesitant about saying whether the Giants were finished product back.

1004
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 1: There is a tram Pathe and you've discussed it earlier

1005
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 1: in the show. Is thirty five years old, and you're

1006
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: gonna have to You're gonna have like de Sean Jackson

1007
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: and also Marie Cooper running down the field. Then they

1008
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: make him the oldest. Maybe I'm not sure, because Mike

1009
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: Adams was thirty eight years old. North Carolina didn't resign him,

1010
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: but uh, antrum Pathey thirty five? Is he's still able

1011
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: to cover that? Or do you think they'll switch and

1012
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: have Jabrill Peppers actually be the free safety instead of

1013
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: playing in the box. Okay, they're gonna try that, but

1014
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: they can't. The matchups are not going to match up

1015
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: every single time. You know that, so things will be.

1016
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: But I believe that they didn't sign him if they

1017
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 1: didn't think he could still play, that's for sure, okay,

1018
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: And so um, yeah, he's not twenty eight Okay, he's

1019
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: thirty five, and there will be some times where we're

1020
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: gonna scratch her ahead and go like, man, I knew

1021
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 1: this was gonna happen. Yeah, it's gonna happen. Okay, Um,

1022
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: but you know, listen, it's it's it's they had to

1023
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: have somebody back there that knows Betcher's defense and that

1024
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: there it's a very important position and so um. But

1025
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: from what I've been told them, what I've heard is

1026
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 1: that he's a thirty five year old guy, but he's

1027
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: in extremely good shape, takes good care of his body.

1028
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 1: We've interviewed him on the show here before and he

1029
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 1: you know, he does just as much work off the

1030
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: field as he does on the field to keep him

1031
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: where he's at. And I'm telling you I can attest

1032
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: to it. I play until I was forty three. If

1033
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: you do that. Okay, Now, obviously I'm not covering you know,

1034
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper down the middle of the field. But my

1035
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: point is that it work, if the work ethic and

1036
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: it's it's maintenance and if you can do it. Um

1037
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: Age is just a number. Um. But there are some

1038
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: guys that are able to do that at their age

1039
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 1: where they're they're playing like they are maybe thirty instead

1040
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: of thirty five. Tom Brady is another good example. There

1041
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: you go and you know what, and I will tell

1042
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 1: you that, and I will tell you this. I've I

1043
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: think that Eli. I think that Eli has something to

1044
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: prove this year, and I think that he's on a vengeance.

1045
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: I really do. I I saw him the other day.

1046
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: He looks great. I just feel like his attitude is

1047
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: like he wants to prove everybody wrong. And you know what,

1048
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 1: that's perfect. That's perfect for somebody like Eli Manning, Okay

1049
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: to go out and and have another year. And really,

1050
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: when you think about it, and I don't know this

1051
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: for a fact, this is just my opinion that when

1052
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: you get to that that age um and you are

1053
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:54,919
Speaker 1: in the last year of your contract and you want

1054
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: to continue to play, there's also some goals that come

1055
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 1: into your mind. Do you want to still play with

1056
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: that one or ganization your whole career? I would imagine

1057
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: that Eli is yes. The answer is to the yes.

1058
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: So what do I gotta do? I got to prove

1059
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: to them that I can still play. Now I know

1060
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: that we have a there's a quarterback that just drafted

1061
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: in the foot the six pick overall, but you know what,

1062
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: he can wait as long as I'm playing at a

1063
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: high level. And and I bet you, I would bet

1064
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: that that conversation that everybody had, that knockdown, drag out

1065
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: conversation that Eli and Dave Gelman had at the end

1066
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: of the year, that's probably what this was all about. Hey, listen,

1067
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: you're in your final year. Go out and ball out.

1068
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: Show us that you can still continue to playing at

1069
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: a high level. And let's win some football games and

1070
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: you can just keep playing. We're gonna draft a guy,

1071
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: but we'll wait, We'll wait. We got time. And Daniel Jones,

1072
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,760
Speaker 1: if he sits this entire season, it's not gonna stunt

1073
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 1: his development the last It's not. Plenty of guys that

1074
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: have sat their first years. It will help him, it

1075
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: will under because listen, you are training, if you will,

1076
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: and an apprenticeship behind one of a borderline Hall of

1077
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: Fame player who has never missed a game intentionally ever

1078
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: other than the one last. This is the guy that

1079
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: you want to be around, you know, and Mann he

1080
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: knows how to prepare Eli and Non he knows what

1081
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: to do. And this is what you and you know

1082
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: what if Eli, Manny doesn't want to give Daniel Jones

1083
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: the time of day. Who cares. Just be a sponge

1084
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: and watch what he does. You should have nine of

1085
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: these booklets at the end of the I mean, just

1086
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,919
Speaker 1: pack with information to go through and do it. UM.

1087
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: I'll give you a quick quick example. When Matt Dodge

1088
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: was here and I had retired and I was asked

1089
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: to work with him for the year I worked with

1090
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: the Giants. UM, I told Matt Dodge, every day you

1091
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 1: come into the meeting and and Specialty in training camp,

1092
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: you better have your notebook and you better start taking

1093
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: notes and stuff that I'm telling you. And I'm giving

1094
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: you twenty two years of of information that I would

1095
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: never normally do this. The Giants are paying me to

1096
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: mentor you. And there was one day he came in

1097
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,240
Speaker 1: without it and and that's when I was like, where's

1098
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: your where's your notebook? He's like, oh, yeah, you know,

1099
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 1: I just forgot. I'm like and then and Coach Corn

1100
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,439
Speaker 1: was like, go get it now, So he went back there.

1101
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 1: You got to absorb what a veteran guy is giving

1102
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: you take it in. And that's what Daniel Jones gonna do.

1103
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 1: I think that's a great parallels totally what he's gonna

1104
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: now experience on a daily basis, because also in the games,

1105
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: of course the headsets on he's gonna be and everything well,

1106
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: and Jeff, it's not even just the execution is just okay.

1107
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: How does the O C in the quarterback communicate? How

1108
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: does the quarterbacks coach of the quarterback? Because not to

1109
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: say that he hasn't had the luxury to work with

1110
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: David Cutcliffe, who I'm sure is very similar to how

1111
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: an NFL team is run, but it's a little bit

1112
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: different sometimes totally different coaches, So that I think is

1113
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 1: gonna help as well. All right, let's head back to

1114
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: the phone lines. Antonio is in Manhattan, Antonio, Tonio. What

1115
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: do you got? Antonio going once? A Tonio going twice?

1116
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: An Tonio is a man? Yes, I apologize. What do

1117
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: you got? Um? So two things that I want to

1118
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: just talk about. First thing is the defense. You know,

1119
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,959
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to see what James Butch is gonna

1120
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: do now that he has his second year of you know,

1121
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: personnel personnel there you go. Has I gave him the

1122
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: past because as you know, the speech just wasn't there

1123
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 1: for the Giants last year. But now there's no excuse

1124
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 1: for him, and he could play man coverage all he wants.

1125
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: He has a whole bunch of corners I would love.

1126
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: And on the top of that, we have versatility which

1127
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: we haven't had in this ross and kind knows how

1128
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: long literally we can have X men go and play

1129
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: third downs only hopefully you know, um Cardon will be

1130
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: able to play three downs. But if he can't, I

1131
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: would love to see him, especially on third down, and

1132
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: excel there because I think that he's you know, he

1133
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: might not be a big body, so he might get

1134
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: ranned over on run plays, but at least in past

1135
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: place he can either rest of ball or play coverage.

1136
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: So it's a lot on James Butcher and I just

1137
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 1: want to see how he does. And there's a lot

1138
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: of corners now is a lot jam. What do you

1139
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: think is going to happen with all these corners? Guys

1140
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: in your opinions, well, listen, you can't, like I don't.

1141
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: I agree with David. You can't have enough cornerbacks in

1142
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,879
Speaker 1: this league. You've seen the last three or three years

1143
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: what's happened at that position, Okay, And if you can

1144
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: establish some really good depth, then let him beat each

1145
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: other up. Let him. I mean, just go there and

1146
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: play and play and play. But you know that if

1147
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: this guy gets hurt, then you got the guy behind

1148
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: him is just maybe he's not just as good, but

1149
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: he has he's a good replacement. I think, in my opinion,

1150
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna have Sam Beale and you're gonna have DeAndre

1151
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 1: Baker out there competing for that that other side, that

1152
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: backside cornerback position aside who's gonna be the starter, and

1153
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:19,919
Speaker 1: then you're gonna have a good quality depth from there.

1154
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: You're gonna have good quality competition at the slot corner position. Okay,

1155
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 1: that's gonna be Grant Haley and you're gonna be your guy. Um,

1156
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: Julian Love. Those two guys will compete. And then you

1157
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,399
Speaker 1: got Valentine who did the Giants, is drafted. He's another

1158
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: kind of guy. So yeah, you've got the great depth

1159
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: and that's what you need. And they're all good players.

1160
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: They're not guys off the practice squad somewhere, and they

1161
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: don't have an overwhelming amount of safeties right now on

1162
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: the roster could pay it to corners. So if they

1163
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: look at Love as a guy that could play both,

1164
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 1: you know when you usually keep about nine to ten

1165
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: defensive back we keep. We haven't. We also have not

1166
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,399
Speaker 1: mentioned Michael Thomas, who's in the mix. He's coming back

1167
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: so extremely valuable. And then also Sean Chandler, who showed

1168
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: some flashes I love play safety. Do you think that

1169
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: hurts like his growth, whether it's switching from like safety

1170
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: then slide like is that you think like just like, hey, listen,

1171
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna play safety for the new Giants for the

1172
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: rest of your career or you know you think that

1173
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: that's hey listen, does the matter? It's all good? He

1174
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: could he could just move around whatever pieces he can. Well,

1175
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: it depends on how quickly he picks up things. I

1176
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 1: think most defensive acts will tell you the nickel corner

1177
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: position is the most difficult position in the secondary to

1178
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: pick up for a young player, for a veteran. So

1179
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: I mean, if you could start him out early learning

1180
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: the ins and outs of that position, I think that's

1181
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: only gonna help him later on and not tre Dame

1182
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: moved him around. I mean, we heard from Todd Light

1183
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: yesterday's deeps coach, So I I think if they throw

1184
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: a lot on his plate, then the Giants would feel

1185
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: more than comfortable in exposing him to those different scenarios.

1186
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: I mean, if it becomes overwhelming, then yeah, I think

1187
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 1: you then all of a sudden pull back and say, hey, Julian,

1188
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: let's focus right now on one position and as the

1189
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 1: season progresses, will open up the doors a little bit more.

1190
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with that. Yeah, alright. One last thing, guy

1191
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna mention is, you know what, I think

1192
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 1: that the Giants social media group is doing a terrible

1193
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 1: job in this whole Daniel Jones situation, because if you

1194
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: just check the Giants app right now, everything is pretty

1195
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: much about Daniel Jones. I get it. He was the

1196
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: first pick up we had a draft, but this year

1197
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: we were lucky enough to have to also first round

1198
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: draft picks um In Carter, I mean, and yeah Baker

1199
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: and then text of Loans. I think that we should

1200
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: just focus more on those two guys when it comes

1201
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: to social media, because Danna just is not even going

1202
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: to hit the field. If he hits the field, it's

1203
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: going to be in a bad situation. And I just

1204
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: feel like, listen, Antonio, you can never fully control the

1205
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,879
Speaker 1: court of public opinion. We'll let you go on that note,

1206
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: and appreciate the phone call. You could put out all

1207
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 1: the content in the world. Some people are gonna love it,

1208
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 1: some people are gonna hate it. Dexter Lawrence, I believe

1209
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: just did a chat today and DeAndre Baker. Remember these

1210
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,760
Speaker 1: guys are at the facility for the first time today.

1211
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:00,479
Speaker 1: There's only so much access that these players have given

1212
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: the giants because they've been scattered all around the country,

1213
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: they've been doing conference goals. Now that they're in the building,

1214
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: I guarantee you a lot more content, evenly balanced across

1215
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: the rookie class as opposed to just Daniel Jones. I mean,

1216
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: he was here and he was the first first round pick.

1217
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: It comes with the territory. He's a quarterback that usually

1218
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: all of the attention, the interview requests go in that direction.

1219
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: But Dexter Lawrence and DeAndre Baker and now here are

1220
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: they gonna have obviously more access to the team and

1221
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: vice versa. Let's head back to the phone lines. We've

1222
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: got Meryll in Manchester. Meryl, welcome to Big Blue Kickoff Live.

1223
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: What do you got for us? Thank you for the show.

1224
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: Number one and the most important thing, Jeff, you do

1225
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: just got It's not a community college. It's one of

1226
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: the top colleges in the country. He was got smart.

1227
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: What does the quarterbacks have to do? He has took Well,

1228
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: there you go. Yes, you know that's a great reason

1229
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: for taking him. He's gonna learn the playbook, understand it

1230
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: and working with the be a very good quarterback, no question.

1231
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: And the learning curve will be a lot less um,

1232
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: And it's gonna be he's gonna be able to apply

1233
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: what he's learning quicker because he's going to be in

1234
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: there sooner or later. And I think that the Giants

1235
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: understand that that acumen he has will will roll over

1236
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: to him being able to play at this level, which

1237
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: then they believe that they wanted to take him with

1238
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: the six pick overall in this draft. You're welcome, thank you,

1239
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: thank you for today. Yeah. Well, any quarterback, no matter

1240
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: what school they come from, you don't learn the playbook,

1241
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: you're not gonna last very long in this week. First

1242
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: of all. Yeah, And you know what that was the

1243
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: thing with Haskins. I mean, you know, he was a

1244
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: he's a sharp dude. He was a very very smart guy.

1245
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: They put him up on the white board and he

1246
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: killed it. Um. Part of his regiment every single day

1247
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: about learning to play quarterback was an hour a day

1248
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: of studying and doing the white board with his coach

1249
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: every day in situational football. Um. So that's gonna help

1250
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: him and his maturation as being an NFL quarterback. I mean,

1251
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: he'll he'll be playing before Daniel Jones will. Um, but

1252
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: who knows. But I think that there was some other

1253
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: intangibles there that the Giants didn't happen to like. And um,

1254
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: you cannot fault the Giants in the way that they

1255
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: went after the guy they wanted, so and you know

1256
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: what you can it's all here say about oh if

1257
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: he would have been there at seventeen, you know he

1258
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: knew about this or that. The bottom line is who cares?

1259
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 1: And and really you have to ask some conviction earnier

1260
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: course he said it many many times that if you

1261
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: want your guy, you gotta go get him. And that's

1262
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: what they did. They liked, they like Daniel Jones, and

1263
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: they went and got him. And now, you know what,

1264
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: there's nothing you can do about it, and other than

1265
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: sit back and wait for Eli Manning to just to

1266
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 1: just kind of evaporate. But you know what, for all

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Speaker 1: the Eli Manning haters, I think he's gonna be back

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Speaker 1: this year with a vengeance. I think he has something

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Speaker 1: to prove, which I know from being around professional athletes

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Speaker 1: all my life that when somebody tells you you can't

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Speaker 1: do it, that that means trouble for the person that

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Speaker 1: said it. Because if you're a guy like Eli Man

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Speaker 1: who has been so successful, he doesn't want to go

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Speaker 1: out a loser. He wants to go out on his

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Speaker 1: own terms. He wants to go out with a bang.

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Speaker 1: And I think that he'll give that to you this year. Now,

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Speaker 1: at some point in time, your ability is cut off

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Speaker 1: by your age and things like that, because it just happens, um,

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Speaker 1: but I really believe that that he's out to have

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Speaker 1: a banner of a year. Well, and Daniel Jones, I

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Speaker 1: think has all the motivation in the world to Granted

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Speaker 1: he's a rookie, but when you hear the chatter, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure he's itching to get out of the field to

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Speaker 1: quiet the skeptics as well. So I think it goes

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Speaker 1: for both players. Well, he has to prepare himself that

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Speaker 1: he's one play away from being in there and the

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Speaker 1: start of the of the Daniel Jones era will begin. Okay, now,

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Speaker 1: this team. It's it's kind of deja vu. Look what

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Speaker 1: happened when when uh, when Eli was here and you

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Speaker 1: had Kurt Warner. Okay, it started, and you know it's

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Speaker 1: gonna happen sooner or later. But it's you don't know win.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see. And Eli Manning, regardless of the motivation

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Speaker 1: that he has this, he's only under contract to two

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Speaker 1: thousand nineteen, so there's uncertainty beyond this year. It's not

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Speaker 1: to say that Eli doesn't have a chance to be

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Speaker 1: on the roster of two thousand of twenty, but if

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Speaker 1: you're Daniel Jones, you know the clock has started to

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Speaker 1: tick already. If you don't get on the field this year,

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Speaker 1: at least as it stands right now, there's a very

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Speaker 1: good chance two thousand twenty they're gonna be on the

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Speaker 1: field because the quarterback in front of you doesn't have

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Speaker 1: a contract beyond this year. Unless there's something that's like

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Speaker 1: Donna Hunt. Donna Hunt, we know that there's no contract

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Speaker 1: for Eli Manning in two thousand twenty as we speak,

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Speaker 1: So you're you're the guy next year as far as

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Speaker 1: going forward, but you know things can change, so you

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Speaker 1: gotta get ready. And I think that the the the team,

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Speaker 1: the organization believes that this guy can get ready that

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Speaker 1: quick because of his of his work, all the intangibles

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Speaker 1: and everything where he's come from, his attitude, his character,

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Speaker 1: you name it. I just want to get to one

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Speaker 1: or two quick tweets before we wrap up hashtag giants

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Speaker 1: chat on Twitter. First one comes from Ben grew and

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Speaker 1: it grew in Ben. One thing you should notice about Ghettoman,

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Speaker 1: and this relates to what we were talking about Jeff,

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Speaker 1: is that he likes having the veteran at the same

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Speaker 1: position of a budding player. Signed Jonathan Stewart to teach

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Speaker 1: Sa Kuan even before he was drafted. But Fay is

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Speaker 1: here to teach Peppers. And I think that's a fair point.

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Speaker 1: I mean, but they's here because he also produced. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's not mistaken that. But Jeff doesn't hurt that out too. No,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't hurt that he has experienced. But you know

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Speaker 1: the caller was hesitant earlier in the program. Go look

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Speaker 1: at what Befet has done. Statistically, guy had a hundred

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Speaker 1: twenty one tackles last season, so you could point to

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Speaker 1: be that's thirty five. You show me a twenty eight

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Speaker 1: year old that consistently gets That was my point. He

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Speaker 1: plays like so and that and that's that's that they

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Speaker 1: take that into considerate. That's the icing on the cake

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Speaker 1: is the fact that he is a veteran at a

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Speaker 1: position where you have a few other young guys. I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you to a quick, quick example of that, and

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Speaker 1: it's a little bit of it. Nate Solder, Hernandez Okay.

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Speaker 1: I mean they're side by side. This guy's gonna play

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Speaker 1: next to him. He's a rookie. This guy's a veteran.

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Speaker 1: That's that's one. That's another thing. Well, and Zeitler, whether

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Speaker 1: it's Wheeler or somebody else, that too. Even John Halapio,

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Speaker 1: it's center next. Sandler is at least going to help out.

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Speaker 1: Alipio is not necessarily a guy that has a great

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Speaker 1: deal of starting experience. He's been in the league. One

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Speaker 1: other one from Mike in Oakland at Mike Underscore Horror.

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Speaker 1: Can you talk value of the dexter Lawrence pick with

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Speaker 1: and with Andre Dillard still available, Well, you know Lawrence,

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Speaker 1: Remember it goes back to his versatility. They envisioned him

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Speaker 1: as somebody that could play the inside in the outside.

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Speaker 1: On top of that, he's coming from one of arguably

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Speaker 1: the best defenses in college football. Last season they won

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Speaker 1: the national championships. I mean, all of those kids got drafted. Pharaoh,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that guy's amazing. Christian Wilkins went to Miami.

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Speaker 1: He was a top twenty pick. Farrell was a top

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Speaker 1: twenty pick. So you look at Farrell, you look at Wilkins.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Lawrence is right there in line, and I

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Speaker 1: get it people are gonna look at the sacks, but

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Speaker 1: remember he played with a foot injury that was lingering

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Speaker 1: at the tal end of his career. I think that's

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Speaker 1: something that you at least can't just brush aside and overlook.

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Speaker 1: And once again, it was in need. They need help

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Speaker 1: on this def It's in front, Okay. This is a

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Speaker 1: team that whether it's the edge rushers or the interior,

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Speaker 1: only at dirty sacks last season, you need all the

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Speaker 1: help you can get across the line. And I don't

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Speaker 1: think you can necessarily argue that that's not a good

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Speaker 1: value pick when you look at his pedigree coming out

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Speaker 1: of college, his production, and what he's gonna bring to

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Speaker 1: the Giants, regardless of whether you think dillerge an attractive option,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. But if they think, hey,

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Speaker 1: we could get more initially out of Lawrence, you can.

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Speaker 1: And because I'll tell you one thing, right he is.

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Speaker 1: He is the prototypical three technique defensive lineman, run stopper.

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Speaker 1: He's a lot like Snacks. He's not Snacks because he's

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Speaker 1: young and you don't take him off the field as

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Speaker 1: much on third day. And but I believe that, I

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Speaker 1: do believe that dex and Lawrence can be a three

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Speaker 1: down player because of his presence and being able to

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Speaker 1: get after the quarterback. Okay, so you put that in there,

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Speaker 1: and you put the production out of b. J. Hill,

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Speaker 1: out of last year, things like that. That's why they

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Speaker 1: drafted this young man. Absolutely, And with that being said,

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Speaker 1: that is gonna wrap up Friday's adition a big Blue

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Speaker 1: Kick of Live presented by Corps Like greatly appreciate everybody

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Speaker 1: for tuning in where we pick up and running. Absolutely

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Speaker 1: enjoy your weekend. Back up and running on Monday at

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Speaker 1: noon Eastern with new programs. Next week is we'll continue

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Speaker 1: to recap rookie Minicamp as well as look ahead to

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Speaker 1: the start of O t A s for Jeff and

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Speaker 1: regular Minicamp too. The whole nine yards coming your way, Jeff.

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Speaker 1: Always a pleasure, all right, Lance, you too, have a

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Speaker 1: good weekend. Thank you. You got it for Jeff Eagles.

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Speaker 1: I'm Lance Meadow. Enjoy the rest of your weekend and

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Speaker 1: always stay lot to giants dot com. We'll speak to

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Speaker 1: on Monday. Have a go on