Speaker 1: What'd you think of Jeremy when you.
Speaker 2: When at first, man, I thought he was cute.
Speaker 3: He was cute, he was dangerous, iad.
Speaker 4: This is Jamie Nellams. She was Jeremy Scott's girlfriend in
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty seven and nineteen eighty eight. They were both
Speaker 4: seventeen years old when they met at a teen dance
Speaker 4: club in Lakeland, Florida. This was right after Jeremy was
Speaker 4: acquitted in the Jule Johnson murder, and then he and
Speaker 4: Jamie stayed together until his arrest in the murder of
Speaker 4: Donald Morehead. Sixteen years into Jeremy's murder sentence, a detective
Speaker 4: from the Polk County Sheriff's Office contacted Jamie. Jeremy's finger
Speaker 4: prints had been matched to the ones found in Michelle
Speaker 4: Schofield's Mazda, but the investigation didn't last long. Assistant State
Speaker 4: Attorney John Aguero, the same man who prosecuted and convicted
Speaker 4: both Leo and Jeremy, quickly shuts down the investigation into
Speaker 4: Jeremy Scott. Ten months after Jamie is first questioned, criminal
Speaker 4: defense attorney Richard Bartman interviews her in late two thousand
Speaker 4: and five. Bartman is representing Leo Schofield alongside his other attorney,
Speaker 4: Scott Cupp. They're trying to finish the investigation into Jeremy
Speaker 4: Scott that the state barely started.
Speaker 1: So you remember speaking to this detective. What was the
Speaker 1: reason he said he was there.
Speaker 2: He that he needed to come talk with me regarding
Speaker 2: Jeremy Scott, anything else that he told you that he
Speaker 2: was there. He wanted me to take him to places
Speaker 2: Jeremy now that I knew of. He had asked me
Speaker 2: where we had never gone to be alone.
Speaker 1: And I told him.
Speaker 2: About this place over off off thirty three by I
Speaker 2: tour if he wanted me to take him there, to
Speaker 2: show him where that was at.
Speaker 3: And I did that.
Speaker 4: Jamie says that ten months earlier, she led the state's
Speaker 4: detective to a place along State Road thirty three in
Speaker 4: North Lakeland. Now she's telling Richard Bartman what it was
Speaker 4: like when Jeremy first took her there. It was around
Speaker 4: two am in the spring of nineteen eighty seven. Jamie
Speaker 4: was driving and Jeremy was in the passenger seat directing her.
Speaker 2: He told me where to drive. I had just started
Speaker 2: driving and barely knew how to get around my hound,
Speaker 2: let alone how to get anywhere else. So he told
Speaker 2: me where to turn and.
Speaker 1: Did he have any trouble finding.
Speaker 2: Now he knew that you couldn't find us that you knew.
Speaker 3: What's that?
Speaker 4: Jeremy tells her when to slow down, to turn off
Speaker 4: at the cut, to pull onto the dirt path back
Speaker 4: behind the tree line. There's palmetto bushes and garbage on
Speaker 4: the ground. No one else is back there. There's no
Speaker 4: street lights, no houses in sight, and no cars on
Speaker 4: the road either. Jeremy and Jamie are alone.
Speaker 2: We had this saying about being outside.
Speaker 5: He liked to be outside.
Speaker 1: You liked to be outside.
Speaker 4: When Jamie and Jeremy get out of the car and
Speaker 4: walk further from the main road into the dark.
Speaker 1: When you got there, what what was your impression?
Speaker 3: Year in first time you went.
Speaker 2: Then dirty and cold and you.
Speaker 6: Know, dark.
Speaker 2: I remember being nervous because there was nobody around.
Speaker 1: I didn't like it.
Speaker 4: Teenagers would come to the spot along State Road thirty
Speaker 4: three to drink beer, smoke weed and make out, but
Speaker 4: Jamie had been worn to stay away. After police began
Speaker 4: discovering dead girls in the water behind the palmetto bushes.
Speaker 4: One of those girls, Michelle Schofield, was found floating face
Speaker 4: down just a few months earlier in this very same
Speaker 4: drainage canal.
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Speaker 5: Know that I know.
Speaker 4: We talked to Leo's lawyer, Richard Bartman, more than fifteen
Speaker 4: years after he interviewed Jamie Nellams, and I.
Speaker 8: Remember a chilling up my spine which he described what
Speaker 8: this guy had done to her and.
Speaker 1: The level of fear in this woman when we've interviewed her.
Speaker 1: I can't. I've never forgotten that.
Speaker 4: Jamie tells Bartman that the violence began just weeks into
Speaker 4: her relationship with Jeremy Scott. There's punching, choking, and worse.
Speaker 4: She tells Bartman that Jeremy hit her pretty much every
Speaker 4: time she saw him.
Speaker 2: He Hitney, would crossed the pate with a belt before
Speaker 2: he Hitney.
Speaker 1: Was one of my babes before.
Speaker 2: He and he was a baseball bat one.
Speaker 4: Jamie had gone to Disney World with her sisters against
Speaker 4: Jeremy's wishes. When she returned, he walked her outside picked
Speaker 4: up a baseball bat and swung at her face, and
Speaker 4: that was eddy. The blow from the baseball bat left
Speaker 4: her jaw broken and her face disfigured. Her injuries and
Speaker 4: her story left a big impression on Richard Bartman. He
Speaker 4: still thinks about it today.
Speaker 1: And you saw her face and what Scott did to it.
Speaker 1: And this was years later.
Speaker 8: Because she didn't have the money to get her injuries fixed,
Speaker 8: so he had beaten her to such an extent that
Speaker 8: her jaw was deformed.
Speaker 4: Jamie was convinced that Jeremy was going to kill her,
Speaker 4: but instead Jeremy directed his violence at someone else. On
Speaker 4: Halloween Night in nineteen eighty eight, Jeremy murdered Donald moorehead.
Speaker 4: He's arrested the following day and locked up without bail.
Speaker 4: Jamie is finally free from Jeremy.
Speaker 8: I think we talked to her for about two three
Speaker 8: hours about his way of life, about how well he
Speaker 8: knew Lakeland, about how well he knew this area where
Speaker 8: the body was found, About his level of violence, About
Speaker 8: the way he beat up gay people, about the way
Speaker 8: he beat her if she would look at him wrong,
Speaker 8: He beat the shit out of her. The slightest provocation
Speaker 8: he would get violent, so I could easily picture him
Speaker 8: killing Michelle over whatever.
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 8: It didn't have to be rational. And of course I
Speaker 8: remember driving home from that thinking Jesus Christ, this is
Speaker 8: the guy. It matches in so many ways.
Speaker 4: Richard Bartman and Scott Cupp keep gathering information about Jeremy's
Speaker 4: connection to Michelle Schofield's murder. They're making the case that
Speaker 4: Leo deserves a new trial. Not only do they have
Speaker 4: fingerprints that linked Jeremy Scott to the vehicle Michelle was
Speaker 4: driving the night she went missing, have testimony that Jeremy
Speaker 4: used to take his girlfriend Jamie to the same place
Speaker 4: where Michelle's body was found. Richard Bartman could hardly believe
Speaker 4: what Jamie had told him. But when Kelsey and I
Speaker 4: listened to this interview, almost fifteen years after it had
Speaker 4: been recorded, something else caught our attention.
Speaker 1: Did he ever did.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I kind of thought about that.
Speaker 1: In a long time, and I'm sorry to stir it up.
Speaker 8: I really do apologize, but I don't mean anything personal,
Speaker 8: but it's questions I got to ask, did he ever?
Speaker 1: Did he ever tell you anything?
Speaker 8: Jeremy, Now, during the course of your relationship about the
Speaker 8: crimes he did to criminal ax or any sort of
Speaker 8: criminal activity.
Speaker 2: He told me he had killed a cab driver. He
Speaker 2: was sixteen seventeen at time, and that he had gotten
Speaker 2: away with it O and that was just a couple
Speaker 2: months before he got arrested to his forehead thanks.
Speaker 9: When he was telling me that.
Speaker 4: Kelsey and I run down the list of murders that
Speaker 4: Jeremy's linked to. We know that Jeremy bragged about killing
Speaker 4: Juel Johnson after he was acquitted of her murder. Jewel
Speaker 4: was found shot dead in a trailer behind her house.
Speaker 4: Jeremy's fingerprints were lifted from her eyeglasses and coin wrappers
Speaker 4: at the scene. Jewel Johnson is murder number one, and
Speaker 4: Jeremy was convicted in the nineteen eighty eight murder of
Speaker 4: Donald Moorehead. He smashed him over the head with a
Speaker 4: grape juice bottle and strangled him with a telephone cord.
Speaker 4: Jeremy was forensically tied to that crime scene and he
Speaker 4: admitted to that killing as well. Donald Moorehead is murder
Speaker 4: number two, and Jeremy's fingerprints were found inside Michelle Schofield's car.
Speaker 4: Her body was discovered in the same Canal where Jeremy
Speaker 4: used to take Jamie to have sex with her Michelle
Speaker 4: Schofield is murder number three. But now Jamie mentions that
Speaker 4: Jeremy had spontaneously confessed to another murder, the killing of
Speaker 4: a taxicab driver. Is this murder number four. We don't
Speaker 4: have a lot to go on, but we start digging.
Speaker 4: We know that if Jeremy killed a taxicab driver, it
Speaker 4: would most likely be in that two year period between
Speaker 4: December nineteen eighty six, when he's released after his acquittal
Speaker 4: of the Juwel Johnson murder, and Halloween of nineteen eighty eight,
Speaker 4: when he's locked up for killing Donald Morehead. That matches
Speaker 4: what Jamie told Bartman. Jeremy would have been sixteen or
Speaker 4: seventeen at the time. We search through databases for unsolved
Speaker 4: homicides and flo We combed through newspaper archives for stories
Speaker 4: about cab drivers killed in central Florida between nineteen eighty
Speaker 4: six and nineteen eighty eight, and then one murder catches
Speaker 4: our attention. In the spring of nineteen eighty seven, right
Speaker 4: near the Polk County line, a twenty five year old
Speaker 4: taxi cab driver named Joseph Lavere was shot dead just
Speaker 4: outside a little community called Intercession City. A suspect named
Speaker 4: dan Odie was arrested and brought to trial twice, but
Speaker 4: the second trial ended with the defendant's acquittal. No one
Speaker 4: else is ever charged in the death of Joseph Lavere,
Speaker 4: so this is an unsolved murder. From his records, we
Speaker 4: know that Jeremy was not in jail at that time.
Speaker 4: It happened just six weeks after Michelle Schofield was killed,
Speaker 4: so we dig a little deeper. We start piecing together
Speaker 4: the crime from newspaper coverage, and this is what we learn.
Speaker 4: It's late at night April tenth, nineteen eighty seven. Lavere
Speaker 4: is driving a taxi for the Yellow Cab Company and
Speaker 4: he's close to finishing his shift when he gets a
Speaker 4: call from his dispatcher directing him to pick up a
Speaker 4: passenger at a kmart in Kassimi. Lavere picks up the
Speaker 4: passenger around ten forty five pm, but about an hour later,
Speaker 4: the cab driver's body is spotted just off the shoulder
Speaker 4: of Old Tampa Highway. It seems that whoever killed Joseph
Speaker 4: Lavere stole the taxi turned off the highway, crossed the
Speaker 4: railroad tracks, and sped onto a quiet residential street in
Speaker 4: Intercession City. He must have been driving fast, because he
Speaker 4: quickly lost control of the vehicle, sideswiping a parked car
Speaker 4: and crashing into a power pole that knocked out the
Speaker 4: electricity in the neighborhood. Residents ran outside to see what
Speaker 4: happened and caught a glimpse of the suspect as he
Speaker 4: fled the scene. The witnesses told police they'd seen a
Speaker 4: white man around five foot ten of a thin or
Speaker 4: medium build running from the cab. He was wearing jeans
Speaker 4: and a flannel shirt, had brown hair, and screamed it's
Speaker 4: gonna blow before he disappeared into the woods. Inside the taxi,
Speaker 4: deputies found a black baseball cap sitting in the back seat.
Speaker 4: We were able to get our hands on a photo
Speaker 4: of this cap. There's a design on the front of it,
Speaker 4: a skull wearing a cowboy hat with a big Confederate
Speaker 4: flag in the background. And then there's this other. Part
Speaker 4: of Bartman's interview with Jamie, I replay it over and
Speaker 4: over again. Jamie says that when she first met Jeremy,
Speaker 4: there was something about his appearance that stood out to.
Speaker 2: Her eyed a ham when I thought was weird. He
Speaker 2: gnied he'd bleaching hair brown.
Speaker 4: Jamie thought this was odd because Jeremy never maintained that color. Naturally,
Speaker 4: his hair was brown, and when the dark roots grew
Speaker 4: back in, Jamie said, he never bleached it again. She
Speaker 4: and Jeremy met just before his eighteenth birthday, about a
Speaker 4: week after Joseph Lavere was killed. It's a small thing,
Speaker 4: but it could match up with what we know about
Speaker 4: Lavere's murder. It would make sense that the suspect, knowing
Speaker 4: he'd been seen, might try to change his appearance. And
Speaker 4: there's another clue. In Richard Bartman's interview with Jamie, she
Speaker 4: mentions that Jeremy wasn't particularly close with anyone at that time,
Speaker 4: except maybe his younger brother. That brother has a pretty
Speaker 4: distinct name. So we were able to track down Royal Dean.
Speaker 9: Scott to accept this call and all future plus one
Speaker 9: now so the phone calls our subject to monitoring and recording.
Speaker 9: You have thirty eight dollars twenty four cents, Hi, Royal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was locked up in the Russell County Jail
Speaker 4: in Alabama, awaiting transfer to state prison. On an obstruction
Speaker 4: of justice charge. I sent Royal Dean a letter, told
Speaker 4: him I opened a phone account with the jail and
Speaker 4: gave him my number.
Speaker 10: I got no problem with answering this, buddy that you
Speaker 10: gotta asked somebody in allted to don't incriminate Jeremy on
Speaker 10: something that's gonna hurt him. I got a problem with that.
Speaker 4: I start chatting with Royal Dean pretty frequently over a
Speaker 4: period of a few weeks. He calls when he can
Speaker 4: and sometimes leaves voicemail messages. We talk about what Jeremy
Speaker 4: was like as a kid in their family life. But
Speaker 4: I'm also trying to find out more about Jeremy's possible
Speaker 4: links to the murder of Joseph Lavere.
Speaker 6: Did you guys believe it? Intercession City at some point?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's where me and my wife met, okay in
Speaker 10: a session. City is where well man, Jeremy pretty much
Speaker 10: grow up.
Speaker 6: Really, I mean, did you ever hear anything, Because one
Speaker 6: of the other things that Jeremy confessed to Jamie about
Speaker 6: was robbing a cab driver on the way home from
Speaker 6: Kasimmi towards Intercession City. Did you ever hear anything about that?
Speaker 11: Yes?
Speaker 10: I heard about what is that?
Speaker 6: What happened?
Speaker 11: Uh?
Speaker 10: Wow? I'd heard about the cab driver, man Robb, but
Speaker 10: I didn't I couldn't tell you. I guess about Jeremy.
Speaker 4: He doesn't seem to want to go into this with me. Still,
Speaker 4: Royal Dean keeps calling. We talk about his legal troubles,
Speaker 4: and I keep asking about Jeremy, hoping he shares more
Speaker 4: about their time an Intercession city. And finally he lets
Speaker 4: something slip.
Speaker 10: I remember him saying something about robbing the cans I
Speaker 10: remember my brother telling me about jumping out of a car,
Speaker 10: I mean about taking that out of the money, and
Speaker 10: that something about a gun.
Speaker 6: Do you remember him with blonde hair, Yeah, that would
Speaker 6: be about right soon. Is he trying to change his
Speaker 6: identity or something?
Speaker 10: I think so. I remember the blonde hair, and I
Speaker 10: remember the canserver being robbed, and I remember him saying
Speaker 10: something about it, and then he had to leave for
Speaker 10: the while. And see, I never got any details. I
Speaker 10: just know that my brother disappeared after that. For a while.
Speaker 4: After this conversation, Royal Dean disappeared too. The phone call
Speaker 4: stopped coming when he was transferred to a state prison
Speaker 4: outside of Montgomery.
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Speaker 13: the Osceola County Clerk's office to look at the case
Speaker 13: files and trial transcripts from the murder of Joseph Lavere.
Speaker 13: I wanted to find out what was collected from the
Speaker 13: cab to see if there was any DNA evidence or
Speaker 13: fingerprints that could be run. One of the great things
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Speaker 13: that requires that all state, county, and municipal records be
Speaker 13: made available to the public.
Speaker 4: But we don't get off to a very promising start.
Speaker 4: After asking for the file, we wait for about an
Speaker 4: hour and then they send down not one, not two,
Speaker 4: but three clerks to talk to us.
Speaker 3: Hello. Hi, I'm Gilbert, I'm good.
Speaker 14: How are you? You're welcome?
Speaker 3: I am saying it, Suzy.
Speaker 14: Kelsey, nice to meet you. Yes, so you're interested in
Speaker 14: the Daniel aunt file.
Speaker 4: Donna is mispronouncing his name. But Daniel Odie was the
Speaker 4: man who was tried twice and was eventually acquitted of
Speaker 4: killing the cab driver Joseph Laverare.
Speaker 14: It doesn't have the arrest affidavit. It's a partial file.
Speaker 14: So what's in here you are entitled to view? I
Speaker 14: don't know.
Speaker 4: If Donna shows me a slim file, it can't have
Speaker 4: more than one hundred pages in it. Usually the clerk's
Speaker 4: office will turn over boxes of files with transcripts, police reports,
Speaker 4: and depositions, thousands of pages. Again, this is all supposed
Speaker 4: to be public record, and I'm entitled to view all
Speaker 4: of it, or preferable, I just want to look at
Speaker 4: it first and see what's in there because we're looking
Speaker 4: these were two trials too. Homicide trials usually there's like
Speaker 4: transcripts notation about where physical evidence might be.
Speaker 14: Since he was found not guilty, the physical evidence would
Speaker 14: no longer be available, and.
Speaker 4: Is it disposed or is it just not available to
Speaker 4: the public. This is infuriating me and I'm trying not
Speaker 4: to show it. If dan Odie really didn't kill Joseph Laverair,
Speaker 4: that means the murderer might still be out there. I
Speaker 4: can't understand why this isn't available, and why the clerk
Speaker 4: won't tell me where I can find the information I'm
Speaker 4: looking for. He can't be tried again, right, But I'm saying,
Speaker 4: we think we know who did the crime. Oh, okay,
Speaker 4: So it would be lovely to just have some records
Speaker 4: to look at trial transcripts, see what physical evidence did exist.
Speaker 3: Maybe there was a hat we know of in the
Speaker 3: newspaper accounts.
Speaker 5: That's all we know.
Speaker 4: But maybe there's some DNA or some hair fibers that
Speaker 4: might match the guy.
Speaker 3: We think did it.
Speaker 4: But we'll go through all this and look through it
Speaker 4: and just see if we can find any clues as
Speaker 4: to where this stuff might be.
Speaker 14: So that goes back to you, guys, somebody has to
Speaker 14: sit with him.
Speaker 10: Yes, so the two options that you have.
Speaker 4: We're told someone will need to observe us if we're
Speaker 4: gonna view the files in the courthouse. This has never
Speaker 4: happened to me at a clerk's office before. We decide
Speaker 4: to get copies made so we can go through them
Speaker 4: without someone looking over our shoulder. But something's really bothering
Speaker 4: me about this case. It feels like it's been flagged.
Speaker 4: Why do they send down three clerks to tell us
Speaker 4: we're only entitled to view a partial file. They're not
Speaker 4: showing me these files because dan Odie was found not guilty.
Speaker 4: It doesn't make any sense to me. Kelsey and I
Speaker 4: sit and wait for the copies to be made.
Speaker 3: It's such a.
Speaker 4: Mysterious right now, I'm a fucking war path. Right We're
Speaker 4: gonna we're gonna go.
Speaker 5: We're gonna go.
Speaker 4: Into the Sheriff's department, and then we're gonna go the
Speaker 4: Stadt Joorney's office. You never heard of fucking something like
Speaker 4: this in Florida that did the trial transform funders every
Speaker 4: fucking single trial.
Speaker 15: I never looked into the transfer stas.
Speaker 4: Later that same day, we drive to the Osceola County
Speaker 4: Sheriff's office. We tell them that we might have some
Speaker 4: important information on an old cold case in their jurisdiction.
Speaker 4: They send two young detectives down to us, but they
Speaker 4: won't let us record our meeting. The detectives are friendly
Speaker 4: and they listen to what we have to say, but
Speaker 4: they don't seem to know anything about this case. Okay,
Speaker 4: we just left the Osceola County Sheriff's office. It's raining
Speaker 4: out now, and the two detectives in there told us
Speaker 4: that who are very interested. They told us that they
Speaker 4: were going to look through the file to see if
Speaker 4: they can find some physical evidence.
Speaker 5: I think that's good to.
Speaker 1: Reach a detective. Press one to schedule an appointment to regiter.
Speaker 4: The detectives say they'll get back to us, but never do.
Speaker 4: I keep calling for updates with no luck. After the tone,
Speaker 4: Please record your message.
Speaker 1: When you finish recording, hang up or.
Speaker 13: Press the pound key.
Speaker 11: For more options.
Speaker 3: Oh, good morning, Detective Miller.
Speaker 4: This is Gilbert King. We met with you a couple
Speaker 4: of weeks ago about that cab driver killing back in
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty seven, and Detective Cortes and I just wanted
Speaker 4: to follow up with you because I had a file
Speaker 4: of information on that particular case. I know we didn't
Speaker 4: really leave you with anything, but I love we're happy.
Speaker 4: Since we're having no luck accessing the files or getting
Speaker 4: any info from law enforcement, Kelsey and I try to
Speaker 4: find the defendant in the case, the nineteen year old
Speaker 4: kid who stood trial twice for this murder, dan Odie.
Speaker 16: So we did find an address for dan Odie that
Speaker 16: looked pretty solid. It looked like he'd been at that
Speaker 16: address for quite some time. It was all the way
Speaker 16: out in East Polk County, which we talk about parts
Speaker 16: of Lakeland being ruled, but it doesn't it doesn't compare
Speaker 16: to East Polk County.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 16: We got out there, but it was just this long,
Speaker 16: straight road and I know we were there for miles,
Speaker 16: driving on this road for miles, and we didn't pass
Speaker 16: another car. There's no houses, no structures, you know. Our
Speaker 16: cell service was in and out. We got to the
Speaker 16: street dan Odie lives on and we saw it was
Speaker 16: a dirt road. It wasn't like a very well maintained
Speaker 16: dirt road. So we drove down the road. We found
Speaker 16: his address and we saw that there were dogs in
Speaker 16: the yard. Big dogs, and there was a flagpole with
Speaker 16: a Confederate flag on it. So it just it seemed
Speaker 16: a little like, hey, maybe we should give this guy
Speaker 16: a heads up before we like go through his gate
Speaker 16: and like have to approach these dogs and like knock
Speaker 16: on his door. It just it didn't didn't feel super safe.
Speaker 16: So we when and we like found a place to
Speaker 16: sit in the car. We started calling the phone numbers.
Speaker 11: You have reached the voicemail box of eight six three.
Speaker 7: Alright, which one was that?
Speaker 3: That's the first one.
Speaker 1: Let's say hello, Please leave the message after the cane.
Speaker 4: Nobody answers their phone anymore. I know, Hello, Hello, is
Speaker 4: this mister dan Ott? Mister Ott, my name is Gilbert King,
Speaker 4: and I am working on a criminal justice report. I
Speaker 4: was also pronouncing his name wrong. It's Odie Dan Odie first.
Speaker 4: So I don't know if you're around, but we would
Speaker 4: just love to talk to you for a few minutes
Speaker 4: if you're available.
Speaker 5: I'm available, all right.
Speaker 4: Could I stop by and just see you in about
Speaker 4: ten minutes or so.
Speaker 5: At the car when you hear again, I got an
Speaker 5: automatic gate.
Speaker 1: I hadn't lift you yet.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, all right, I'll call you right when I
Speaker 4: get in front of the gate, then sir, thank you
Speaker 4: very much.
Speaker 5: Fucking believe this.
Speaker 4: All right, we're gonna get out in the fucking porn rain,
Speaker 4: but we're gonna have a fucking interview.
Speaker 5: All right, let's just go over some questions here quick.
Speaker 16: I want you so much.
Speaker 4: We tried, we found your address and we had like down.
Speaker 3: But I actually when I started reading about your case,
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe what you went through.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, twice, they tried you twice.
Speaker 16: Yeah, I know, Like my first impression when we first
Speaker 16: saw Dan was I was just a little scared. I
Speaker 16: was like, did we do we have the right idea
Speaker 16: about this? Are we sure this guy didn't do it?
Speaker 16: Because he's a big guy. He's six', four pretty like
Speaker 16: built to, like you, know, hefty like football player type of.
Speaker 16: Build and then on top of, that he was wearing
Speaker 16: a baseball cap with A confederate flag on. It you,
Speaker 16: know of, course The confederate flag hat was a key
Speaker 16: piece of evidence in this. CASE i, mean obviously not
Speaker 16: the hat That ten was, wearing but there was a
Speaker 16: baseball cap left in the taxi cab that they think
Speaker 16: belonged to the you, know the murderer who fled the.
Speaker 16: Scene so there was definitely a moment WHERE i Think
Speaker 16: gilbert AND i were probably thinking the same, thing, Like, oh,
Speaker 16: geez did this guy actually do? It do we have this?
Speaker 4: Wrong he invites us in and we all take a
Speaker 4: seat on his couch facing A. Tv there's also a
Speaker 4: big aquarium next to. Us you can hear its water
Speaker 4: pump in the. Background we Asked dan about what happened
Speaker 4: when he was arrested for killing the cab Driver Joseph.
Speaker 17: Lavere, well when when they arrested, ME i was in
Speaker 17: the truck, and LIKE i told him in, Court i'm
Speaker 17: down there bying WE i was honest with.
Speaker 5: HIM i had nothing to.
Speaker 4: Hide dan tells us that after he's pulled over in his,
Speaker 4: truck police officers tell him to get. Down there's a
Speaker 4: picture of him in The Orlando, sentinel, handcuffed shirtless and
Speaker 4: splayed out on the ground with a rifle toting deputy
Speaker 4: standing over.
Speaker 17: Him and when they arrested, me that's WHAT i thought
Speaker 17: they was throwing down on me for is. Weed and
Speaker 17: when they had me on the ground AND i, said,
Speaker 17: well what are you arresting me for?
Speaker 5: It he, said first or great. MURDER i like to pass.
Speaker 5: Out what are you kidding? ME i JUST i couldn't
Speaker 5: get my. BREATH i was like.
Speaker 4: What dan didn't understand why police had been looking for.
Speaker 4: Him he wasn't really a, troublemaker and at the time
Speaker 4: of his, arrest all we could find on his record
Speaker 4: were minor traffic. Infractions after he was booked into, jail
Speaker 4: they fingerprinted, him drew his, blood and plucked hairs from his,
Speaker 4: scalp all for comparison with the physical evidence recovered from
Speaker 4: the taxi, cab and none of it Matched. Dan on
Speaker 4: the night of the, Murder dan was at a party
Speaker 4: with about a dozen other. People they all vouched For
Speaker 4: dan that he was with them all. Night no way
Speaker 4: he left and killed. Someone with his, alibi, witnesses and
Speaker 4: all the physical evidence that did not connect him to
Speaker 4: the murder Of Joseph. Lavere guards at the jail were
Speaker 4: Telling dan that he had nothing to worry. About he'd
Speaker 4: be going home.
Speaker 17: Soon BUT i was nineteen scared to deaths you, Know
Speaker 17: i'll fix fry for SOMETHING i didn't.
Speaker 5: DO i was. SCARED i ain't GONNA i was.
Speaker 4: Scared dan's father didn't want his son to be represented
Speaker 4: by a public.
Speaker 17: Defender, yes my daddy had a junkyard and he sold
Speaker 17: had a crusher to come out, there and so all
Speaker 17: the cars he had jumped him just to get me a.
Speaker 17: Lawyer because my daddy, says, son don't. Worry he, SAID
Speaker 17: i KNOW i didn't raise you this. Way he said
Speaker 17: this is, bullshit and he Said i'll spend every DOLLAR i.
Speaker 5: Got he, says you're not going down for.
Speaker 4: This dan's dad was able to raise enough money to
Speaker 4: hire a private. Attorney you'll never guess who they.
Speaker 17: Hired Jack evans said this is one of the most
Speaker 17: framed jobs he'd ever seen in his.
Speaker 4: Life Jack edmund the same lawyer who later Represented Leo
Speaker 4: schofield at, trial the guy in the western cut suit
Speaker 4: with the tiny waist and the life.
Speaker 17: Savers BUT i never thought much Of jack BECAUSE i always
Speaker 17: tried to call him in. JAIL i was, scared and
Speaker 17: he'd tell everything's all, right, signed don't worry about and hang.
Speaker 17: Up SO i called my. MOM i, Said, mom you
Speaker 17: got fire this. Lawyer i'm gonna. Die you don't.
Speaker 4: Seems Like edmund had a habit of dodging his clients
Speaker 4: until just before. Trial but the prosecution was certainly investigating their, case.
Speaker 11: But it still puzzles me as to Why. DAN i
Speaker 11: don't understand. IT i don't Even dan didn't even live
Speaker 11: In Intercession.
Speaker 4: City While dan sat in, jail people close to him
Speaker 4: started getting knocks on their. Doors one of them Was Tanya,
Speaker 4: dean who was Dating dan's. Cousin she remembers the night
Speaker 4: the cab driver was.
Speaker 11: MURDERED i remember the power going, out AND i THINK
Speaker 11: i was near the, area BUT i didn't see. ANYTHING
Speaker 11: i just heard about it after the, fact and then
Speaker 11: the detective came to the.
Speaker 4: House when detectives knock on her, door she's fifteen and
Speaker 4: pregnant with her second.
Speaker 11: BABY i can one hundred percent recall walking out with
Speaker 11: my child on my hip and the detective, saying we
Speaker 11: know you've seen, him and it, says see Who what
Speaker 11: do you? MEAN i didn't see. Anything you Seen Daniel?
Speaker 11: Odie you Seen?
Speaker 2: Dan?
Speaker 11: Doit?
Speaker 8: NO i.
Speaker 11: Didn't you're gonna tell us that you've Seen Daniel odie
Speaker 11: or that baby on your hip and in the one
Speaker 11: in your stomach is going to be. Gone you remember
Speaker 11: that this one hundred. PERCENT i will never forget that.
Speaker 11: Day his name Was Buddy. SHEPHERD i will NEVER i
Speaker 11: just got. Chills i'll never forget.
Speaker 4: That Deputy Buddy shepherd was a detective with The Osceola
Speaker 4: County Sheriff's office and he was the lead investigator on
Speaker 4: The lavere. MURDER i Asked tanya if she's sure That
Speaker 4: Buddy shepherd wasn't just warning her that she was under
Speaker 4: oath and if she committed perjury there could be consequences
Speaker 4: that would affect her.
Speaker 11: Children absolutely, Not that is not the, no absolutely. Not
Speaker 11: it was a direct, threat AND i was told to
Speaker 11: say THAT i seen. HIM i, remember BECAUSE i was a.
Speaker 11: MINER i had to have a parent present BECAUSE i
Speaker 11: had to go down and make a recorded. Statement AND
Speaker 11: i remember telling my, Dad, dad they're making me. Lie
Speaker 11: they're telling me WHAT i have to, say or they're
Speaker 11: going to take my. Babies he, Said, sissy they can't do.
Speaker 11: That they can't take your children because you tell the.
Speaker 11: Truth all you have to do is What i've taught
Speaker 11: you is tell the. Truth SO i went down to
Speaker 11: give a statement and the detective kept on, saying so tell,
Speaker 11: us tell us it Was, dan wasn't. It remember it Was?
Speaker 11: Dan and he would point to my stomach AND i, said,
Speaker 11: no it. WASN'T i didn't see. ANYTHING i didn't see.
Speaker 11: Nothing and he turned off the recorder and he slammed
Speaker 11: his fist down and he, says you're gonna tell us
Speaker 11: it Was. Dan do you remember WHAT i told. You
Speaker 11: you're gonna tell us it Was, dan.
Speaker 4: And this Was Buddy shepherd, Again yes it.
Speaker 1: WAS i was.
Speaker 11: TERRIFIED i was.
Speaker 4: Terrified tanya says she doesn't give in To Buddy shepherd's.
Speaker 4: Threats but it turns out there were other young mothers
Speaker 4: in town who claimed That shepherd tried to get them to.
Speaker 4: Lie one of them Was Debbie.
Speaker 17: Murphy, Well Debbie murphy was their main. Witness that's the
Speaker 17: only thing they had against, me and she was pointing me.
Speaker 17: Out she said she's seen me over six hundred yards
Speaker 17: away at two o'clock in the, morning run on the
Speaker 17: cross the railroad.
Speaker 4: Tracks at, trial the state's witnesses point To Dan odie
Speaker 4: as the man they saw get out of the taxi.
Speaker 4: Cab but what's odd is that in the witness's initial
Speaker 4: statements to, police they had described the suspect as being
Speaker 4: somewhere between five foot eight and six feet tall and
Speaker 4: weighing around one hundred and sixty. Pounds that is not Dan.
Speaker 4: Odie at the, Time dan was six foot four and
Speaker 4: weighed two hundred and thirty five, pounds which is the
Speaker 4: average size of a tight end in The National Football.
Speaker 4: League he's kind of hard to. Miss Dan odie's friends
Speaker 4: are all testifying under oath That dan was with them all.
Speaker 4: Night the jury has to decide which witnesses are, lying
Speaker 4: and they can't do. It failed to reach a verdict
Speaker 4: and a mistrial is. Declared but just two months, later
Speaker 4: the state tries Dan odie, again.
Speaker 17: And everybody kind of didn't want to pursue, it except
Speaker 17: For Buddy. Shepherd Old Buddy. Shepherd he wouldn't letting it.
Speaker 17: Go he was just he was bound and determined to frame.
Speaker 17: Me he wasn't gonna let it.
Speaker 4: Go Debbie murphy takes the stand again in the second,
Speaker 4: trial but in the middle of her, testimony the trial
Speaker 4: grinds to a.
Speaker 5: Halt she came clean on the second.
Speaker 17: Trial she broke, down started, crying and they stopped and
Speaker 17: said what's. Wrong she, SAID i can't do this no.
Speaker 17: More she, Said dan Those i've never seen him that.
Speaker 17: NIGHT i Know dan from. SCHOOL i never Seen dan
Speaker 17: on the railroad tracks that. Night she, SAID i haven't
Speaker 17: Seen dan since we got out of, school and she told,
Speaker 17: him you, know, LOOK i was paid to say. THIS
Speaker 17: i was threatening with my kids IF i didn't say
Speaker 17: this Against Daniel. Rody AND i was, like oh, wow
Speaker 17: finally come. True you know at, Lease oh, MAN i tell,
Speaker 17: You i'll tell.
Speaker 4: You after the, Trial dan Says debbie apologized for lying
Speaker 4: about seeing him on the railroad tracks that, night.
Speaker 17: AND i told, HER i, understand you, Know i'm just
Speaker 17: glad you finally came forward BECAUSE i was fixing got
Speaker 17: electric chair for SOMETHING i know THAT i didn't. Do
Speaker 17: but she finally came forward told the.
Speaker 4: Truth there was a quick investigation into the claims That
Speaker 4: Buddy shepherd was threatening young mothers In Intercession. City despite the,
Speaker 4: allegations he was. Cleared On october, twentieth nineteen eighty. Seven
Speaker 4: Dan is acquitted of the murder of cab Driver Joseph.
Speaker 17: Lavere it was a great feeling because my mom had
Speaker 17: three stroke fries in, there.
Speaker 5: And when.
Speaker 17: WHEN i was choosing not of it no, more she
Speaker 17: broke down and cried and felt you could just see
Speaker 17: wake lifts it off over BECAUSE i was her, baby you,
Speaker 17: know of all my, BROTHERS i was her, baby and
Speaker 17: she she KNOWED i didn't do, it but she just
Speaker 17: she really thought she had never Seen nick again like.
Speaker 17: This and when they said not, guilty just everybody jumped.
Speaker 4: Up But Dan odie had spent six months in, jail
Speaker 4: and he sat through two trials facing the death, penalty
Speaker 4: and despite being found not, guilty he still doesn't feel
Speaker 4: like his name has been.
Speaker 17: Cleared but it's just it's still to this. DAY i,
Speaker 17: MEAN i don't think about. IT i know what's right
Speaker 17: and what's, wrong AND i KNOW i didn't do it
Speaker 17: and all, This but when you meet people from back
Speaker 17: then that you see him somewhere on the street today
Speaker 17: and they kind of look at you, like oh, yeah,
Speaker 17: hey and you know they're, thinking did you do it
Speaker 17: or did you?
Speaker 5: Not BUT i just stare is a, way.
Speaker 17: Without a shadow of doubt THAT i could show everybody
Speaker 17: THAT i did not do.
Speaker 16: THIS i want to see that physical evidence.
Speaker 5: Too oh my.
Speaker 17: GOD i would love for y'all to do THE dna
Speaker 17: and find out who really did.
Speaker 5: IT i would just really like to know who did.
Speaker 4: It when we first walked in to talk To, dan
Speaker 4: we weren't sure what to, expect but listening To dan
Speaker 4: tell his story and talk about his, innocence it's hard
Speaker 4: not to think About. Leo they both want us to
Speaker 4: keep investigating their cases from thirty five years. Ago they
Speaker 4: want so badly to get to the, truth to have
Speaker 4: their names cleared so they can get on with their.
Speaker 4: Lives the state insists that they had the right man
Speaker 4: And Dan, odie but that the jury just saw it,
Speaker 4: differently so after his acquittal they don't investigate any. Further
Speaker 4: but if the state is, wrong that means that the
Speaker 4: murderer Of Joseph lavere may still be out there. SOMEWHERE
Speaker 4: i just can't stop thinking this has to Be. Jeremy
Speaker 4: it's twenty, ten twenty three years After Michelle schofield was.
Speaker 4: Killed more than five years have passed since the unidentified
Speaker 4: fingerprints in The mazda were matched To Jeremy, scott and
Speaker 4: Finally leo's granted an Evident sherry, hearing which he hopes
Speaker 4: will lead to a new. Trial his lawyers prepare to
Speaker 4: present the new, evidence the fingerprints And Jamie nillam's testimony
Speaker 4: about Ja jeremy's violence and how he brought her to
Speaker 4: the same spot Where michelle's body was.
Speaker 8: Found all of the things we found out about him.
Speaker 1: Made him the.
Speaker 4: Killer this Is Richard, Bartman leo's, attorney and.
Speaker 8: It certainly in discerated any any possibility That leo did.
Speaker 8: This if this case went to travel with all that,
Speaker 8: evidence it would have been mountains a doubt About leo
Speaker 8: being the, killer and it would have created all sorts
Speaker 8: of very clear pictures in my mind that not only
Speaker 8: wasn't It, leo but we knew who did.
Speaker 1: This it Was Jeremy.
Speaker 4: Scott Both jeremy And leo are brought from their respective
Speaker 4: prisons to the Pol County jail to attend the. Hearing
Speaker 4: this is the first time That jeremy And leo will
Speaker 4: be in the same room. Together leo's, Wife, chrissy has
Speaker 4: been waiting for this day in court for a long.
Speaker 18: Time in our, mine in my, mind there was absolutely
Speaker 18: no way to lose.
Speaker 5: This it's a no.
Speaker 18: Brainer you've got physical evidence now that was not in
Speaker 18: the case. Before so in anticipation of the, HEARING i
Speaker 18: bought him two, suits had them, tailored they were. Packed
Speaker 18: we were ready to.
Speaker 4: Go the hearing begins On may, fifth twenty, Ten Jeremy
Speaker 4: scott is called to, testify and he's questioned BY. C. J,
Speaker 4: benefield an assistant state.
Speaker 5: Attorney Jeremy Lenny.
Speaker 19: Scott, WELL i asked, you did you ever know a
Speaker 19: PERSON i Named Michelle? Schofield, no, Sir i'm going to ask.
Speaker 19: You did you Kill Michelle? Schofield, no, sir. Didn't are
Speaker 19: you aware that a fingerprint of yours was found in her?
Speaker 3: Vehicle, yes, SIR i.
Speaker 4: Am When Jeremy scott is called to, testify he denies Killing,
Speaker 4: michelle but the assistant state attorney doesn't really seem committed
Speaker 4: to getting a consistent story out of.
Speaker 3: Him tell me about your activities back. Then my activities
Speaker 3: WAS i. WOULDN'T i wasn't even stealing cars or.
Speaker 20: Tires my thinging was breaking, cars, steer stereo, systems.
Speaker 5: Speakers that was my.
Speaker 3: Thing how did you get transportation to do these? Activities
Speaker 3: jamie's Carr jamie was not aware of. It do you
Speaker 3: know about when you Met?
Speaker 21: Jamie april was, seventeen nineteen eighty.
Speaker 3: Seven how do you remember that? Date, okay my birthday
Speaker 3: is on a twenty ninth Of.
Speaker 4: April he's saying that he used his Girlfriend jamie's car
Speaker 4: to steal stereo equipment from abandoned. Vehicles But jamie And
Speaker 4: jeremy didn't even meet until about six weeks After Michelle
Speaker 4: schofield was. Killed the state lets these inconsistencies go. Unchallenged
Speaker 4: the state says they Trust jeremy's story about why his
Speaker 4: fingerprints were found in the car Because State Attorney John
Speaker 4: aguero believes. Him John, aguero the prosecutor with the electric
Speaker 4: chair tigh, clip is called as a witness to talk
Speaker 4: about his meeting With.
Speaker 20: Jeremy SO i had Mister scott brought back from whatever
Speaker 20: correctional institute he was in.
Speaker 1: To my.
Speaker 4: Office jeremy was brought To aguero's office in two thousand
Speaker 4: and five to talk about The. Prince the two men
Speaker 4: spoke behind closed. Doors there were no other witnesses and
Speaker 4: no tape. Recordings all we have to go on Is aguero's.
Speaker 20: WORD i told him that his fingerprint was found in a,
Speaker 20: car THAT i had put Mister schofield in prison for
Speaker 20: the rest of his life for killing his, wife and
Speaker 20: if he didn't do, IT i had to know. It
Speaker 20: THEREFORE i would give him. Immunity that it was more
Speaker 20: important for me to know the, truth than it, was.
Speaker 5: Than anything.
Speaker 4: Else John aguero is saying that in this one on one,
Speaker 4: meeting when he Questioned jeremy about his, fingerprints he Offered
Speaker 4: jeremy immunity essentially confess to Killing Michelle schofield and you
Speaker 4: won't be charged with the.
Speaker 20: Crime Mister, scott AS i, said was. COOPERATIVE i think
Speaker 20: he fully understood, immunity fully understood that it was important
Speaker 20: to me that if he did this, murder it would
Speaker 20: BE i couldn't prosecute, him BUT i could let Leosco
Speaker 20: field out of.
Speaker 4: Jail i've asked lawyers and legal experts about the kind
Speaker 4: of full Immunity aguero claims he Offered jeremy in this
Speaker 4: closed door, meeting And i've been told it just doesn't
Speaker 4: happen like, this or it isn't supposed. To and it
Speaker 4: makes no sense to me Why aguero would do, that
Speaker 4: because If jeremy admitted under full immunity that he Killed,
Speaker 4: Michelle leo would be released from prison and no one
Speaker 4: would ever be charged With michelle's. Murder and on top
Speaker 4: of how little sense it, MAKES i can't find any
Speaker 4: documentation of this alleged immunity Offer leo's lawyers say they
Speaker 4: made repeated requests for proof of it, too and the
Speaker 4: state's response is. Telling they don't turn over any. Documentation
Speaker 4: they just argue about the number of Requests leo's lawyers,
Speaker 4: made so no proof of immunity is ever.
Speaker 3: Produced what was his explanations to the thing in that?
Speaker 20: Vehicle Mister scott indicated that at the time he was a.
Speaker 4: Thief aguero says he Looked jeremy in the eye and
Speaker 4: asked him if he Killed Michelle. Schofield jeremy said he,
Speaker 4: didn't that he's just a car stereo, thief And aguero believes.
Speaker 4: Him this is the same prosecutor who tried to Send
Speaker 4: Jeremy scott to the electric chair for Killing Donald, morehead
Speaker 4: arguing to the court That jeremy was a cold blooded
Speaker 4: criminal who couldn't be.
Speaker 19: Trusted after getting this information and the investigation was, complete
Speaker 19: did you do anything with?
Speaker 5: It, WELL i did not go any.
Speaker 20: FURTHER i made notes in my file concerning my, investigation
Speaker 20: AND i closed the investigation.
Speaker 3: At any time that you notify.
Speaker 21: Them they Believed jeremy his reasons for being in the
Speaker 21: car was. Credible believed that it's.
Speaker 4: Credible now everyone is left waiting and wondering if The
Speaker 4: Polk county judge presiding over this hearing will also Believe Jeremy.
Speaker 4: Scott Judge Keith spoto's ruling is released just six weeks
Speaker 4: after the. Hearing spoto, writes given Mister scott's past history
Speaker 4: and modus, operandi there is every reason to believe that
Speaker 4: he simply stumbled upon the car after her murder and
Speaker 4: after her body had been, hidden stole stereo equipment from her,
Speaker 4: car thereby leaving his fingerprints in the. Vehicle in other,
Speaker 4: Words Judge spoto Considers jeremy's past history and rules That
Speaker 4: Jeremy scott is simply a car stereo, thief that he's
Speaker 4: telling the. Truth as far as the. Concerned it's almost
Speaker 4: as if it was inconceivable To Judge spoto that a
Speaker 4: known murderer who was tried twice for homicide by this
Speaker 4: same office might also steal from his victim, afterwards just
Speaker 4: Like jeremy did after killing Jul johnson when he stole her,
Speaker 4: coins and just Like jeremy did after Killing Donald morehead
Speaker 4: when he stole his. Car Judge spoto Denies leo's motion
Speaker 4: for a new Trial i'm stunned AS i read this,
Speaker 4: opinion but MAYBE i shouldn't, be given that so many
Speaker 4: of the judges In Polk county come from The State attorney's.
Speaker 4: Office for, Example Judge, spoto who presided Over leo's, hearing
Speaker 4: worked as a prosecutor in The Tenth circuit Alongside John
Speaker 4: aguero for nearly a.
Speaker 15: Decade My, God i've BEEN i have been long about
Speaker 15: virtually everything with from the, beginning WHICH i thought was
Speaker 15: going to. Happen SO i feel bad about that personally misread.
Speaker 4: Everything Scott cupp thought at one point that the discovery
Speaker 4: Of jeremy's fingerprints In michelle's car would Spring leo out
Speaker 4: of prison in just ninety. Days but once again his
Speaker 4: intuition That leo would be given a new trial is.
Speaker 8: Wrong it's the greatest personal and professional regret of my
Speaker 8: life That Leo scholfield is still in.
Speaker 4: Prison Richard, Bartman leo's other.
Speaker 1: Lawyer no one really wanted to admit they were.
Speaker 8: Wrong no one really took the kind of close look
Speaker 8: we were urging them to. Take people got cooked on
Speaker 8: these mythological remembrances of evidence that didn't.
Speaker 4: Exist mythological remembrances of. Evidence that's. Right Judge spoto couldn't
Speaker 4: resist writing About Leo senior's. Premonition it's included in his
Speaker 4: summary of the state's, evidence Which spoto says is quote
Speaker 4: strong and sufficient for a jury to Convict Leo.
Speaker 22: Schofield how is that evidence of?
Speaker 15: Guilt it's.
Speaker 5: Not it's just some.
Speaker 22: Anomaly it's just something that comes. Up doesn't mean any
Speaker 22: can mean a million. Things guy's historyonic guys are. Nut
Speaker 22: he's not evidence of. Guilt it's not evidence of. Anything
Speaker 22: that's the urban legend. Stuff it just has its own you,
Speaker 22: know the snowball going. Down how many can't stop.
Speaker 4: It, meanwhile the physical evidence That kup And bartman do
Speaker 4: present About jeremy's connection To michelle's, murder it's dismissed by
Speaker 4: the judge as a happy, coincidence as if it was
Speaker 4: just bad luck For jeremy that his fingerprints turned up
Speaker 4: in the car of a young woman who'd been found
Speaker 4: dead in a dark place where he was known to hang.
Speaker 8: OUT i so the likely don't understand how a trial
Speaker 8: judge or appellate court could have looked.
Speaker 1: At what we came up with and said nothing to see.
Speaker 4: Here this disappointment hits no one harder Than, leo and
Speaker 4: by the time he learned of the judge's, decision he
Speaker 4: was still reeling from an encounter that happened right before
Speaker 4: he entered the.
Speaker 21: Courtroom i'm gonna tell you, this, MAN i should probably filter.
Speaker 21: It i'm not gonna filter. It i'm gonna let you
Speaker 21: filter what you want to.
Speaker 3: Filter this.
Speaker 21: Is and If i'm wrong for this and you tell
Speaker 21: Me i'm wrong And Soviet i've been wronged for a long.
Speaker 21: Time i've been, WRONGED i would have been justified in
Speaker 21: my mind to be.
Speaker 4: Wrong it's the morning before the first day of the evidentiary.
Speaker 4: Hearing leo And jeremy are both brought to the jail
Speaker 4: across from the courthouse for the. Hearing they're supposed to
Speaker 4: be separated from each other since they're now involved in
Speaker 4: the same. Case So leo was grouped with other defendants
Speaker 4: who are doing court.
Speaker 21: That, day and so they had all the guys handcuffed
Speaker 21: two by. Two there's thirty three of, us So i'm
Speaker 21: the odd man, out So i'm not handcuffed to. Anybody
Speaker 21: and so there's a tunnel that goes under the road
Speaker 21: between the jail and the courthouse that they bring the inmates.
Speaker 5: To it's a long.
Speaker 21: Tunnel there's only one door, in one door on the
Speaker 21: other side, out and there's no doors on the. Inside
Speaker 21: it's it's a, concrete unfinished concrete tunnel on the.
Speaker 4: Road they're led through the door and start walking through the.
Speaker 4: Tunnel they march down and stop in front of the
Speaker 4: door that leads to the. Courthouse there's an officer there
Speaker 4: and he starts banging on the door waiting for someone
Speaker 4: on the other side to let them.
Speaker 21: In, meanwhile all the way back at the end of the,
Speaker 21: tunnel here Comes. Jeremy come, on another. Man he was by.
Speaker 4: Himself leo has Seen jeremy's mugshots. Before it's a face
Speaker 4: that's seared Into leo's.
Speaker 21: MIND i can see him way back, there walking, up
Speaker 21: AND i can see him walking, up AND i had
Speaker 21: enough time to stand there thinking my heart stots, racing
Speaker 21: AND i, SAID i know these people are not gonna
Speaker 21: just walk the murder of my wife right up in
Speaker 21: front of me in this, tunnel right. Here after all
Speaker 21: That i'm gone, through AND i just made a decision
Speaker 21: in my. Mind if they march him up and put
Speaker 21: him alongside of. Me That's god's. Will i'm gonna end
Speaker 21: it right here in this. Hallway and So i'm my
Speaker 21: drone is, pumping it's, pumping it's, pumping and march him
Speaker 21: up And i'm getting ready and all. Round i'm just
Speaker 21: gonna wrap his handcuffs around his neck And i'm gonna
Speaker 21: take him. Down and they're not gonna be beat me
Speaker 21: off of him until twenty something years of frustration and
Speaker 21: comes out AND i get you From, michelle and it's.
Speaker 21: Done now you can go ahead and put me in.
Speaker 21: Prison NOW i belong, there you know WHAT i. Mean
Speaker 21: And i'm not.
Speaker 3: A, murderer that's who they made.
Speaker 21: ME i, Mean i've had to fight for my life
Speaker 21: in here WHEN i first came in twenty two years,
Speaker 21: old young and white in the prison. System no dad's,
Speaker 21: coming no police, Coming nobody cares. You you have to
Speaker 21: do this or be raped or something stupid like. That
Speaker 21: so you know where your lines. ARE i know where
Speaker 21: my lines, are and you cannot cross that line without
Speaker 21: certain things. Happening if you're gonna watch the murder of
Speaker 21: my life and put him, upside that's a line you cannot.
Speaker 3: Cross just so.
Speaker 21: Happened they got him maybe ten feet away from, me
Speaker 21: and this guy up the top stairs turns around and sees,
Speaker 21: him and he knows and he yells, stop, stop back him,
Speaker 21: up back, him.
Speaker 3: Then yank him, back AND i, WENT.
Speaker 21: I just have this massive release of you, know because
Speaker 21: that was that was pretty.
Speaker 4: Scary in the basement of the, Courthouse leo says he
Speaker 4: waits in a holding cell with the other. Defendants because
Speaker 4: Of jeremy's violent, Behavior he's kept in an isolation cell
Speaker 4: right by the. Elevator the jail is short, staffed there
Speaker 4: aren't any correction officers down, there And leo's name is
Speaker 4: called over the.
Speaker 21: Loudspeaker scholfield approached the, elevator and So i'm, thinking, WELL
Speaker 21: i got to walk right by a. Cell now he
Speaker 21: doesn't know me From, adam but he knows WHO i
Speaker 21: am by. Name and this is WHEN i, knew BECAUSE
Speaker 21: i really wasn't. SURE i, MEAN i don't, know you,
Speaker 21: know what's the what's the percentage on it being a
Speaker 21: coincidence that this no murderer is forensically linked to my
Speaker 21: wife's car and he didn't have anything to do with,
Speaker 21: it and after everything we know about, him and my
Speaker 21: thought is if you are accusing me of doing something
Speaker 21: THAT i KNOW i did not. Do i'm gonna be
Speaker 21: at them bars WHEN i see you walk. BY i
Speaker 21: might not do anything, stupid But i'm gonna have something to.
Speaker 3: Say i'm gonna say. Something you got the.
Speaker 21: Wrong guy or something or. Anything i'm Gonna i'm gonna say.
Speaker 21: Something here's your. Opportunity SO i walk up there AND
Speaker 21: i go to the bars to the cell AND i
Speaker 21: stand there AND i look at him and he's sitting,
Speaker 21: there profile to the front of the cell and he
Speaker 21: won't look at. Me And i'm standing there waiting for
Speaker 21: him to look. OUT i need him to look at,
Speaker 21: me and he couldn't look at. Me he couldn't even face.
Speaker 21: Me AND i told, him know THAT i. Know, jeremy
Speaker 21: know THAT i. Know and he never says anything to.
Speaker 21: ME i knew in that, MOMENT i was looking at
Speaker 21: the murderer of my.
Speaker 5: WIFE i knew.
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