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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I'm Mike Spofford and I am sitting next to Wes Hodkuits.

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Speaker 1: We're coming to you here from our studios at lambeau

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Speaker 1: Field and West in the midst of the Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: and the Hall of Fame class and all of these

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Speaker 1: things we are attention was diverted for a while from

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Speaker 1: this new look Green Bay Packers coaching staff, where we've

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Speaker 1: had uh some coaches who are still here with new titles,

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Speaker 1: other new coaches who have been brought in. So I

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Speaker 1: want to focus this show on some of these stories

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Speaker 1: here revolving around the Packers coaching staff, and I want

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Speaker 1: to start with the guy who's maybe been here the

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Speaker 1: longest out of everybody, and that's James camp In, long

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Speaker 1: time offensive line coach, a guy who doesn't like to

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Speaker 1: take credit for anything, but now head coach Mike McCarthy

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Speaker 1: has actually thrown some credit his way by giving him

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Speaker 1: a new title of run game coordinator, a job that

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Speaker 1: he's been doing. Now it's official next to his name, yes, exactly,

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Speaker 1: and and and for him to get that recognition, I

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Speaker 1: know it is obviously a cool honor for him. Good

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Speaker 1: luck getting him to talk about any of this stuff.

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Speaker 1: If you know anything about Campy, he does not do

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Speaker 1: well with getting credit for really anything. Um and I

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Speaker 1: kind of wrote about this on packers dot com this

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Speaker 1: past week. If you ever bring to him something that

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Speaker 1: either somebody said or you point something out, the two

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Speaker 1: things are gonna happen. He's either gonna create a self

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Speaker 1: deprecating joke or he's gonna find a way to just

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Speaker 1: wiggle into another topic. He he doesn't want to, you know,

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Speaker 1: a lot to him, but it's just it's just something

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Speaker 1: he doesn't want to talk about. And the interesting thing

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Speaker 1: about Campy, I think ESPN dot Com to the story

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Speaker 1: recently or they had one of their stats and info

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Speaker 1: things about how I think he's two seasons shy now

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Speaker 1: of hog Hanner right for the longest tenured assistant coach

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Speaker 1: on in Packer's history is going into his fifteen season.

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Speaker 1: I think Hannah was sixteen, and then he also had

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Speaker 1: a stint I believe as a scout as well. Um,

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Speaker 1: but camp be what he's done here when you look

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Speaker 1: at this track record he was on staff, he assisted

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Speaker 1: the at the time was the offensive line coach, and

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Speaker 1: then in two thousand seven got promoted to a line

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Speaker 1: coach himself. Nine Pro Bowlers during that time, the Packers

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Speaker 1: have had countless number of players even more than that,

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Speaker 1: who have gotten second and third contracts in the NFL

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Speaker 1: and and at the end of the day, I think

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Speaker 1: you want to have the Super Bowls, but these young

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Speaker 1: men are trying to create a life for themselves. So

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Speaker 1: whether it's been Brian Blagg as a first round draft

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Speaker 1: undrafted players. Evan Smith was discarded, he was out of

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Speaker 1: the league. Then he goes on and gets a long

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Speaker 1: the Packers starter. So many guys. I mean, the proof

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Speaker 1: You know, Lane Taylor playing some left tackle, Justin McCrae,

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Speaker 1: the Packers offensive line was not the issue in I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of credit goes to James Camping for that.

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Speaker 1: The other one that stands out to me, I go

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Speaker 1: of credit to to James Camping for weathering that storm

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Speaker 1: He makes eight starts for this offensive line at various

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Speaker 1: and then the guy like Corey Lindsley gets a contract extension. Um,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford in this chair,

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Speaker 1: Wes Hodkowits in that one, and West continuing our discussion

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Speaker 1: about the coaching staff. Another coach who is back with

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Speaker 1: And this is a guy who's had a number of

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Speaker 1: But he's tried to take something from every stop along

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Speaker 1: And I love his personality. You mentioned that before. I'll

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Speaker 1: It's going great. And but that's that's David Rye, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's like you can't you almost can't take

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Speaker 1: Gets he was very well liked by his guys. Some

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Speaker 1: tough shoes to step into, but if anybody can do it,

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