1 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: Welcome one and all to the Hammer Territory Podcast. My 2 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: name is Sean Coleman, joined tonight by Scott Coleman. It 3 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: is the Coleman Duo. I couldn't think of a word 4 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: that started with seed that had to do with duo. AnyWho, Regardless, 5 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: Scott Coleman, it is always a pleasure to talk with you, sir, 6 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: especially when it comes to Braves baseball. 7 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 2: How are you this evening, is Sean, I'm great, buddy. 8 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 2: It's always nice to do a Coleman Squared episode of 9 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: the show. No Brad, no Steven, just you and I. 10 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 2: The Coleman's holding down the four tonight, and I hope 11 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 2: everybody out there is doing well. 12 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: The Coleman combo. Who there we go? All right, we 13 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: got it going on? All right? Well, yes, it's a 14 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: pleasure to be with you here on the Hammer Territory Podcast, 15 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: part of the Foul Territory family of podcasts. Hope everyone 16 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: wherever we are, wherever you were listening, you had a 17 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: great Thanksgiving holiday. You're having a good start to your 18 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: holiday season. And while we've not really seen a lot 19 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: of action so far in terms of actual signings trade, 20 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: we're getting closer to the winter meetings where some things 21 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: will pick up. I mean, Scott will discuss that a 22 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: bit later on in the episode. But but Scott, you know, 23 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: this is the time of year where we start to 24 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: talk about, you know, how Hall of Fame voting can go, 25 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 1: and you know, rumors and speculations of what could occur 26 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: in things like that. But it's also a time for 27 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: a bit of the crazy to come out. Every year, 28 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: it seems you start to hear this, this out of 29 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: the blue, out of left field, if you will, potential 30 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: change to the game of baseball that could occur, and 31 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: we once again have started to see that, and it 32 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: comes in the form of what is being referred to 33 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: as the Golden at Bat Rule. Scott, you have had 34 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: some opinions on this. I know that other members of 35 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: Hammers territory have had some opinions on this. The stage 36 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,679 Speaker 1: is yours. Please lay out what this means in your 37 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: initial thought behind it, and I'll be glad to follow. 38 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: It's just it's, for lack of a better way of 39 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: putting it, I don't necessarily know if it's more intriguing 40 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: or head scratching, but it at least worth talking about. 41 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, So if I understand correctly. Honest to god, I 42 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 2: thought it was a joke the first time I heard 43 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 2: about the Golden at bat or the Golden hitter or 44 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 2: whatever it is. But if folks haven't seen this, it 45 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: is an idea I guess that Commissioner Rob Manfred has 46 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 2: thrown out there that essentially, one time per game, a 47 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 2: team can effectively pinch hit any single player they want 48 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 2: into that situation. So again, man, it could be you 49 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 2: could have the ninth hitter do up and you could 50 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 2: pinch it Austin Riley in the seventh inning with the 51 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 2: bases loaded. Or the crazy scenario Sean is you could 52 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 2: have the ninth place hitter up with the bases loaded. 53 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 2: Let's say that Ron Acunya Junior is matting lead off 54 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 2: that game. You could have Acuna be the golden hitter 55 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 2: for the ninth spot and. 56 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 3: Then hit again. 57 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: If how does that work? I don't know. Man, it 58 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: sounds like something a nine year. 59 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 4: Old would make up, like on the bench at a 60 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 4: little league game, and I mean it's I would be 61 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,399 Speaker 4: truly shocked if this ever came to light, But it's 62 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 4: given us something to talk about, and that's not always 63 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 4: the case. 64 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 2: In early December. 65 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: Absolutely. And the thing that I'll say is this is 66 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: that you know, I think what people you know looked at, 67 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: you know, some of the recent changes that you've seen 68 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: occur in baseball, you know, the runner around second and 69 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: extra innings, the pitch clock as well. I think the 70 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: initial overall reaction was probably skeptical, maybe even trending towards 71 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: a bit negative. But those I'm kind of about the 72 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,119 Speaker 1: runner on second and the extra innings. I know you 73 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: and myself their are similar thoughts. The pitch clock has 74 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: been a great revelation for the game, but those changes 75 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: helped out the efficiency of the sports. They made the 76 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: game quicker, They made the game easier to watch without 77 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: really giving a competitive advantage to any team. All teams 78 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: were impacted in the same way by these changes. This 79 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: rule is not the same, this golden that bat role 80 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: is not the same. This is a novelty act that 81 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: is taking away from baseball. A similar approach, I think 82 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: could be like when you've heard about the four point 83 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: shot potentially being added to basketball. It's really going to 84 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 1: emphasize your star players. It's really going to emphasize that 85 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: handful of fifteen to twenty players and it also is 86 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: something that's really going to put team some teams in 87 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: a much better position than other teams. And it's too 88 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: much of a creer. It's too much of a advantage 89 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: I feel when it competitive for some teams. I feel 90 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: that's the first thing that stands out to me is 91 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: be and why this makes absolutely no sense. 92 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 2: And part of what makes baseball so great is it 93 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 2: can be a new hero every single night. Or what's 94 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 2: sweeter than a guy in the midst of an zero 95 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 2: for twenty slump and he comes up with the bases 96 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 2: loaded in the ninth inning and everyone's kind of going, oh, man, 97 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 2: all right, Sean hasn't had a hit in a week. 98 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 2: This is not going to go well. And what happens, 99 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 2: but you line the ball into the gap, you clear 100 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 2: the bases, and you win the game. That kind of 101 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 2: goes away if you implement this new rule. This this idea, 102 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 2: not even a new rule, it's an idea at this 103 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 2: point of Okay, let's bring up the best player on 104 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 2: the team again. Man, it sounds I mean, it sounds 105 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 2: like something the Savannah Bananas would probably do. And I 106 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,559 Speaker 2: love the Savannah Bananas for the way they have helped 107 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 2: grow the game of baseball in recent years. And I mean, hell, 108 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 2: they sell out every single stadium they go to. But 109 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 2: that's that's Savannah bananas. That that's not major League Baseball. 110 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 2: That's not the Atlanta Braves, and I ah, man, I 111 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 2: would be shocked if this even has a dream of 112 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 2: seeing the light of day one day. But again, Rob Manfred, 113 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 2: I think it's funny you made a good point a 114 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 2: moment ago. I think Rob Manfred has almost gotten an 115 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 2: unfair shake in regards to some things. By no means 116 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 2: am I a Rob Manford defender. But you said it 117 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 2: a moment ago, universal dh the pitch clock. I actually 118 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 2: don't hate the runner on second base thing in the 119 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 2: extra innings as much. I mean, it's still a little weird. 120 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 2: I don't love it, but I'm a little and I'm 121 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 2: more indifferent to the rule. Now. I tell you, I 122 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 2: don't miss nineteen inning baseball games or sixteen inning baseball games. 123 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 2: But yeah, this this is silly, and I don't I 124 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 2: don't think it has a chance to get even close 125 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 2: to the game that we all love. 126 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: Now, the funny thing to me is that yourself, I 127 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: think everybody all form members of Alhammor Territory Podcast have 128 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: mentioned multiple times this offseason about how it seemed like 129 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: every time there was a big moment in the game 130 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: during the twenty four season, Orlando Arcia came up to 131 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: the plate, and so this would be the perfect thing 132 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: to prevent that from happening. But still it's just it's 133 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: not baseball. And those points that you brought up, the 134 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: universal DH again, the pitch clock again, the runner on 135 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: second base again. That is promoting positive things. That's promoting 136 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: aspects of baseball that are going to make it more 137 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: fun to watch, more offense, making the game shorter and fellow. 138 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,679 Speaker 1: You know, Hammer Territory Podcast or Steven Tolbert By the way, Steven, 139 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: hope you get the film better, sir. He brought up 140 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: a great point. You brought up a great point. There 141 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: are other things to focus on. For instance, Steven brought 142 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: off the fact of why don't you make sure that 143 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: you can standardize a baseball throughout a whole season moving forward, 144 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: and one that potentially could lead to more offense. That's 145 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: going to be a way for you to be able 146 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: to create more stars, that more people going to know 147 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: their names about, which will help grow the sport instead 148 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: of this rule out of left field that are only 149 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: going to allow for your ten to fifteen best players 150 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: to remain in the spotlight. There are other more important, 151 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: more effective ways to make rule changes than this. It 152 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: just to your point. I don't think it's gonna happen, 153 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: but I think it's gonna Chris, it's even being discussed. 154 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 2: And you know, it's crazy because it feels like just 155 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 2: yesterday we were in that never ending lockout with the 156 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 2: CBA negotiations. But I think it was Ken Rosenthal just 157 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 2: kind of pointed out the other day I think there's 158 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 2: only two years left on the current CBA if memory serves, 159 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 2: so you know, there's been renewed talk not only about 160 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 2: rule changes that will hopefully make the game better, because 161 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 2: I agree wholeheartedly. I was so skeptical on the pitch clock, 162 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 2: and then I watch highlights from a baseball game seven 163 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 2: years ago with forty five seconds of dead time between pitches, 164 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 2: and it's like, how did we This is crazy? Like 165 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 2: this is this is nuts. I think a lot of 166 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 2: changes have been made for the better, But with the 167 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 2: CBA negotiations, there's been all this new talk about does 168 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,719 Speaker 2: there need to be a salary cap, does there need 169 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 2: to be a salary floor to make the teams that 170 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 2: don't want to spend money spend money. It's not going 171 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 2: to be a crazy floor, but it could be one 172 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 2: hundred hundred and twenty million dollars. I think about a 173 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 2: third of the league last year operated under one hundred 174 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 2: and twenty million dollars. There's no need for that, man, 175 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 2: You've got billionaire owners. Attendance was through the roof last year. 176 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 2: Revenues or through the roof, so it's kind of reignited 177 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 2: this conversation about peace between the players' association and the owners. 178 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 2: And we'll see what other rule changes come of those negotiations. 179 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 2: But I guess to put a bow on this. Just 180 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 2: no chance, man. This is it is silly at best, 181 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 2: and if we're being nice, it's just dumb. 182 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 3: Holiday shopping gets hectic. Why don't you let America's number 183 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 3: one meal kid help you out. HelloFresh is over fifty 184 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 3: recipes to choose from each week. 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But let's get 205 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: to an even more fun subject to talk about, and 206 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: that is where Alexxenthopolis continues to excel. It seems you're 207 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: in and you're out, and that of course is on 208 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 1: the trade front front of the show. Mark Bowman of 209 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: MLB dot com wrote a really thought provoking, thought provoking piece, 210 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: and I'm not just saying that to be complimentary. It 211 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: was really really interesting the trade candidate's piece that he wrote. 212 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: When when I say trade candidates, I'm not talking about 213 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: potential trade targets that the Braves could go after, but 214 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: what members of the Braves, both in the farm system 215 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: and with the major league club could be sensible for 216 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: the Braves to potentially use in getting players that they 217 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: need to fill holes to be better for twenty twenty 218 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 1: five and beyond. And there were a couple of perspectives 219 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: in that article, Scott that I think that Mark Bowman 220 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: brought up that really made you think. What really stood 221 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: out to you when you read that article is being like, 222 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: may not have thought of that? Or man, you know 223 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: that I don't necessarily know what's going to happen, but 224 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: you can make logic from What did you take away 225 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: from from Bowman's article? 226 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's worth noting that the Winter Meetings start four 227 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 2: or five days from right now. I think they technically 228 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 2: begin on Sunday, and I'm sure the GMS are reporting. 229 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 2: I think it's still in Nashville. Correct me if I'm wrong, Sean, 230 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 2: But they're going to be shown up this weekend, and 231 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: usually the Winter Meetings are really the fireworks that get 232 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 2: everything going, the damn will break. There is reporting that 233 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 2: Juan Soto is closing in on a team or two 234 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 2: or three, and it sounds like the Sodo stuff is 235 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 2: going to be wrapped up, maybe within the week, and 236 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 2: then kind of that next wave of free agents will 237 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 2: have a better clearer picture of where to go. But 238 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 2: you know, from from Bowman's piece, and it's worth reading 239 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 2: if folks didn't know, he spoke pretty openly about where 240 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 2: the Braves might value their prospects most The one that 241 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 2: probably caught me by the most surprised was with A. J. 242 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 2: Smith Shaver and Hirston Waldrip. Now, Bowman has been doing 243 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 2: this for a long time. I'm sure he has sources, 244 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 2: and he isn't just pulling this out of thin air. 245 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 2: You know. Bowman seemed to think that the Braves would 246 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 2: be more inclined to trade AJ Smith Schaver as a 247 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 2: big piece this winter than Hurston Waldrip. That was a 248 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 2: little bit of a surprise to me, just because based 249 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 2: on the team's actions and just where those two pitchers 250 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 2: are at today, Smith's Shaver is clearly in favor with 251 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 2: the front office and we only saw Waldrop for a 252 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 2: short amount of innings this past year and it was 253 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 2: not pretty. But I mean, hell, he was pitching in 254 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 2: college two years ago, so that's not a big surprise. 255 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 2: And then you know, Bowman also acknowledged that Drake Baldwin, 256 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 2: while a very enticing piece he is, he's the most 257 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 2: enticing piece, but also could be a piece of this 258 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 2: franchise long term, especially after the year he had. So 259 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 2: overall it was just an interesting kind of insight into where, 260 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 2: at least according to Bowman sources, where the Braves might 261 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 2: be sitting with their prospects. 262 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and to your point, you know, again, this isn't 263 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: you know in talking about you know what sources you know, 264 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: which of this may be Bowman's opinion versus you know, 265 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: him going off information that he's heard, you know what 266 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: could be in there. Well again, you know, to to 267 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: he validated I think the opinion of the fact that 268 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: a J. Smiths Schaver could be more available than some 269 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: may think, even more available than Nurst and Waldrup, because 270 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: he came straight out and said teams have had shown 271 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: interest in Waldrum, the Braves have shown no interest in 272 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: wanting to trade him, and so that's what really stood 273 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: out to me. But before we get into the prospects. 274 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: There was another really really eye opening part of that 275 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: article that talked about a couple of potential major league 276 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: options that could make sense in a potential trade if 277 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: the Braves really wanted to get creative. Jared Kellnick obviously 278 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: was a name that has been mentioned. I just don't 279 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: think it really makes sense for the Braves to trade 280 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: him at low value, at his low costs, when he 281 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: probably could be a fine fourth outbuilder. But Ozzie Alby's 282 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: Ozzi Albi's was mentioned, and you know, Mark Bowman talked 283 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: about the fact that you know, yes, Ozzy Albi's is 284 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: a I believe what is seven means or less over 285 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: the next three years, but he is shown to be, 286 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: you know, a bit more prone to injuries. The defense 287 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: is certainly something that's questioned. The offensive consistency has kind 288 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: of fallen a bit as well. There are, you know, 289 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: questions that could be fairly asked about Ozzie Alby's and 290 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: his value overall, but still with his contract, could he 291 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: be of good value for the Braves to trade. I 292 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: don't think it makes sense, but it at least there 293 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: was some logic, at least with Bowman's thought process about 294 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: mentioning Ozzy Alby's. 295 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I don't think Sean or I or 296 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 2: probably anyone listening to this podcast expects Ozzy Alby's to 297 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 2: be traded, But it's kind of the first time that 298 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 2: anybody plugged into the team has at least kind of 299 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 2: spoken it or written about the possibility and the reality 300 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 2: that Ozzy Alby's's defense has fallen off significantly. I mean, 301 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 2: even compared to like Witt Mirifield, who's ten years old 302 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 2: than Ozzy Is. It was night and day whenever he 303 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 2: started to fill in, much more range, much stronger arm, 304 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 2: much better turning double plays. But man, we love Ozzy Alby's. 305 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 2: He's beloved in that clubhouse. He's great friends with a 306 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 2: lot of the players. So I don't think anybody expects 307 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 2: Ozzy to get moved this winter. But depending on the 308 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 2: year he has next season, I think we're you know, 309 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 2: it feels like Ozzy is signed forever, but he has 310 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 2: this year under control for sure, and then two club 311 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 2: options beyond this season. I would guess that two years 312 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 2: from now, Ozzy Alby's is still the team's second basement. 313 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 2: But it definitely caught my eye and caught years too, Sean, 314 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 2: when Mark Bowman at least gave the slim possibility that 315 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 2: Atlanta could get creative and try to use Ozzy Alby's 316 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 2: as part of a big, a big deal that would 317 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 2: probably have to go for a team where they clearly 318 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 2: don't want to subtract from the big league club. Those 319 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 2: moves are pretty rare, and again I don't think anyone 320 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 2: expects it. And on Kelnick, I agree, I think Kelnick 321 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 2: is gonna have a role next season. I guess you 322 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 2: could trade him now, but I mean you're not gonna 323 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 2: get very much, and the Braves are gonna need all 324 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 2: the outfielders they can get their hands on with the 325 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 2: Kunya's knee uncertainty. Michael Harris has missed significant time the 326 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 2: last two years with a hamstring and a back issue, 327 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 2: and that, I mean, that's it for in house outfielders 328 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 2: at this point on the roster, on the forty man. 329 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 2: So it's uh. It was again worth checking out that 330 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 2: piece from Bowman because not only did he hit on 331 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 2: the prospects who might be moved at any point this winter, 332 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 2: but some of the major league pieces that maybe aren't 333 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 2: completely set in stone. 334 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: And I think the other thing that you know goes 335 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: into that plays into this as well, is that you 336 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: know you mentioned at the clubhouse presence that Ozzie Alby's has. 337 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: And as much as the Braves talk about valuing that 338 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: clubhouse presence, you know, could you imagine you're already seeing 339 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 1: Max Freed, Travis Darno, potentially Charlie Morton, potentially AJ Minter. 340 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: They may not be in that clubhouse next year. You're 341 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: not going to have the major factor players like Spencer 342 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 1: Strouder and Ronald Acuna Junior to be there as well. Now, 343 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 1: the potential of Ozzie Albi's not being there, that just 344 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: seems to be too big of a potential swing in 345 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: clubhouse dynamics to where. You know, I know some may 346 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: not necessarily value that that much. I think the Braves do. 347 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: So I'm thinking Ozzy Alby's, you know, I think he's 348 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: here to stay for quite a while. But it is 349 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: very intriguing and I do think there is at least 350 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 1: some logic in a vacuum of why Bowman would mention 351 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 1: him as a trade candidate. But I go back to Drake, 352 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 1: Baldwin and Scott. I know that you and Brad have 353 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: talked about it Me and Scott Steven have talked about 354 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: it at Lenked as well. It just makes sense coming 355 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: off the year that he had, coming off the fact 356 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: that it's always hard to find these catching prospects. The 357 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: Braves themselves, though, have been very good at creating these 358 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: catching prospects, and they've used there and they've been willing 359 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: to trade them in the past. There are a lot 360 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: of boxes that have been checked before. With the type 361 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: of prospect that Drake Baldwin is and with the Braves 362 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 1: being committed to Sean Murphy, I think he makes the 363 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: most sense if they're going to you, if any of 364 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: these names mentioned are the prize of a package for 365 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: them to go get a player that they want, Drake 366 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: Baldwin stands out to me as being the guy to 367 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: kind of be at the center of that package. 368 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and man, it would be uh, we'd be white 369 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 2: knuckling that deal because I mean, the Braves have moved 370 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 2: on from a couple of young catchers in recent years, 371 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 2: and I mean I think if if we had Alex 372 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 2: and Thopolis on the show and maybe had a couple 373 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 2: of drinks, I think Alex would admit that he probably 374 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 2: would like to have the William Contreras Sean Murphy deal 375 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 2: back if he could, And I mean that's not a 376 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 2: hot take. Contreras has been phenomenal, and let's call it 377 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 2: what it is. Through two years, there was about three 378 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: months where Sean Murphy was awesome and since then he 379 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 2: hasn't done a whole lot of good. He also and 380 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 2: Thopolis also moved on from shay Langeliers, who had a 381 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 2: better season with Oakland. He still is not a great 382 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 2: player by any means, but again, young serviceable catchers don't 383 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 2: just grow on trees. So if the Braves are going 384 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 2: to move Drake Baldwin, for my money, they would have 385 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 2: to get like a legitimate star level player back. Like, 386 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 2: if you're gonna move on from Baldwin, you better be 387 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 2: getting Garrett Crochet to headline the front of your rotation 388 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 2: with Chris Sale and Spencer Strider. I mean, wouldn't that 389 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 2: be sick? Or if you're going to trade him for 390 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 2: a really really good outfielder or a franchise shortstop who's 391 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 2: under control for years to come, and I think the 392 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 2: Braves would agree. I don't think anybody is at that. 393 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 2: Jason Hayward tier from a decade or whatever ago, whether 394 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 2: it's like forget it, not even a prayer, or the 395 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 2: Akunya tier from five or six years ago. I think 396 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 2: Baldwin is below that, and I think in the right 397 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 2: deal they would make him available and then just pray 398 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 2: that Sean Murphy bounces back and is healthy and figures 399 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 2: it out. But I don't think they would trade Baldwin 400 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 2: for anything short of a legitimate star level difference maker 401 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 2: who is also under control for multiple years. 402 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: The control for multiple years part was the point that 403 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: I was going to bring up, but you brought it 404 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: up great analysis, as always, Scott, it makes perfect sense. 405 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: I'm there with you, the guy that could. If they're 406 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: gonna use Baldwin to go get a guy, it needs 407 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: to be someone that's gonna help him out in twenty 408 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: twenty five and beyond. But you mentioned the Winter meetings, 409 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: and it's always really exciting to see this. Heck, just 410 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: a year ago, it was that Sunday night where we, 411 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: you know, I believe, on the weekend where many of 412 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 1: us thought that the Braves were going to potentially go 413 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: after another White Sox picture in Dylan Cease, they actually 414 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: turned a completely different corner. I think Alex even hinted 415 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: that they were potentially talking about Dylan cease, but they 416 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 1: instead went and got Jared Keelnick last year on the 417 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,199 Speaker 1: Sunday night of the winter meeting. So Alex likes to 418 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: strike when it makes sense. A bit more of a 419 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: quiet November than it has been in the past, But 420 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 1: I do think that it makes sense, especially as you 421 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: mentioned with the Wan Sono signing likely happened in the 422 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: next few days. What are you really looking for in 423 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: terms of maybe what you hope versus what you expect 424 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: when it comes to the Braves focus going into the meetings. 425 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I've been doing a little bit of 426 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 2: reading and Willie Adamas is really interesting to me because 427 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 2: it seems like maybe a third of the league is 428 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 2: interested in a Damis. But the fact is a lot 429 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 2: of those teams have either spent money elsewhere or are 430 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 2: looking to trim payroll, like the San Francisco Giants were 431 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 2: heavily rumored for Adamis earlier, but now there's reporting that 432 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 2: the Giants are trying to trim payroll. Well, you can't 433 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 2: do both of those. You can't sign a premier shortstop 434 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 2: and also cut your payroll back. I think we're gonna 435 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 2: see once Won Soto signs, were really gonna have an 436 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 2: idea of what the market is like for a damas 437 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 2: Anthony Santander some of these better hitting free agents who 438 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 2: are available. And I'm guessing the Braves are in on 439 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 2: a damas he is an obvious fit. People rave about 440 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 2: him in the clubhouse too, which is a very legitimate 441 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 2: thing that Alex in thop list cares about. So I'm 442 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 2: until Adamis signs with some other team, I'm gonna really 443 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 2: kind of believe that the Braves are going to be 444 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 2: seriously in it. They presumably have the money, as long 445 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 2: as there's something not funky financially behind the scenes that 446 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 2: we don't know about. And then you know, in terms 447 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 2: of trades, we I always talk about the show that 448 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 2: you and Steven and I did for an hour before 449 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 2: the trade deadline trying to come up with what outfielder 450 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 2: Alex was going to trade for, and of course he 451 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 2: went out and got Jorge Solaire and a year ago, 452 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 2: I don't think anybody had Chris Sale on the Braves' radar, 453 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 2: and even the Jared Kellnick deal was like WHOA, Okay, 454 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 2: you know, I kind of thought they'd be more interested 455 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 2: in like a ti Oscar Hernandez on a short deal, 456 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 2: or or one of the more obvious free agents or 457 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 2: players who were known to be available. And if there's 458 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 2: anything we know about Alex, it is he is a 459 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 2: creative guy and more times than not it's worked out 460 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 2: for him. We'll just kind of have to see who 461 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 2: he fancies in the next week or so, and let's 462 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 2: hope that he gets a deal done sooner rather than later, 463 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 2: because I know, I think I speak for everyone when 464 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 2: we are jonesing for a deal. Yeah. 465 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: And the thing is the name you mentioned, Willia Domas 466 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: as a free agent, the name that consistently comes back 467 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: to me that I just would be excited about will 468 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: be the addition to Walker Buehler. And one of the 469 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 1: reasons why I say Walker Buehler, I know that he 470 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: has had the recent injury concerns. But the thing that 471 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: stands out to me, Scott, is that I believe it 472 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: looked up this stat a little bit earlier in the 473 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 1: off season. Since the year two thousand, of all the 474 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 1: pitchers that have thrown seventy five or more innings in 475 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: playoff baseball over the basically the past quarter century. The 476 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 1: one with the lowest era is Garrett Cole. Number two 477 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: is Walker Buehler. Number three is Chris Sale in terms 478 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: of postseason era with seventy five or more innings pitch. 479 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,239 Speaker 1: The point that I'm getting at is is that when 480 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: we talk about, yes, we've had bad injury luck when 481 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: it comes to pitchers, but if you could add Walker 482 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: Buhler to Chris Sale and Spencer Strider, along with Swello 483 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: Mock and Ronald La you've got a lot of versai 484 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 1: mult in the arms that have had good postseason success 485 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: that you can rely on. The thing that scares me 486 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: right now though, about that free agent pitching. You've just 487 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: seen Frankie Montos get what three years seventeen million. You 488 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: just saw Matthew Boyd get fourteen and a half million. 489 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: If those guys are getting that Walker Bueler two years 490 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: twenty five million, could you push for thirty million. I 491 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: don't necessarily know if it would go that high, but 492 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: the free agent market for starting pitching you could get 493 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: really really expensive. So it just it's interesting to me. 494 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: But then again, you've also got thirty plus million I 495 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: believe that are coming off the books that you owe 496 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: Morton as well as Freed. You could see the majority 497 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 1: of that going towards a starting pitcher. I think Alex 498 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: probably has a couple of options that he really wants 499 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: to look into when it comes to short term deals 500 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 1: for a starting pitcher, and that may be the first 501 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: move that we see if it's Nathan the Evaldi or 502 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: Walker Bueler. Actually it may have been Nathan the Avaldi 503 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: that had that, but AnyWho, My point is, you get 504 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: Nathan the Yvaldi, you get Walker Buehler on a short 505 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: term high AA the deal to add two sell and Strider. 506 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: That would be a great first move for this offseason 507 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 1: for not only regular season but postseason. 508 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 2: Play well, and both of those pictures feel like very 509 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 2: legitimate braves. Alex has familiarity with Walker Buehler. He really 510 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 2: looked good in the postseason, even though he was not 511 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 2: great in twenty twenty four, but the stuff still look good. 512 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 2: And he will be now six months removed even further 513 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 2: from that elbow surgery, presumably will only help him as 514 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 2: he builds his strength and gets more comfortable. And you know, 515 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 2: Buehler is the first one to tell you he just 516 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 2: didn't feel one hundred percent all season long, but as 517 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 2: October rolled around, he felt like he hit another gear. 518 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 2: And if if that picture exists now and is available, 519 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 2: and there's familiarity, and he's available on a two year deal, 520 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 2: which Alex obviously likes, I could see that. And then 521 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 2: I think all of us on the show are big 522 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 2: fans of Nate e of Ald. You know, he is 523 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 2: getting a little bit older. Not that age has ever 524 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 2: stopped Alex Nthopolis when acquiring star pitchers. Charlie is forty, 525 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 2: Sale is in his late thirties, Cole Hamil's was thirty eight. 526 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 2: I think Dallas Kichel was thirty four. I think when 527 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 2: he signed him. I mean there's no age discrimination here 528 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 2: from Alex, especially on the picture end. So both of 529 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 2: those guys feel like real possibilities. If you tell me, 530 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 2: we wake up one morning and it's he hit the 531 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 2: blue square on Twitter and it's Brave sign Walker Buehler, 532 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 2: Brave signed Nady of all the both of those feel 533 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 2: possible to me, And clearly they have to add at 534 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 2: least one starting pitcher, if not to this winner. 535 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and so this to me, it's Christmas come early. 536 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: I know for Scott, I won't speak for the man, 537 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: but I'm I'm pretty sure he always loves this time 538 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 1: of year as well. It's always good to see it happen, 539 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: especially when it comes to an active, but unpredictable but 540 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: highly effective GM in Alex and Thopless. So definitely looking 541 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 1: forward to seeing what could occur Scott. As we wrap 542 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: up this edition of the Hammer Territory podcast, well, once again, 543 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 1: good to talk with you, sir, Glad. All is going good. 544 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: Owned you're in any thing else you. 545 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 2: Have for us? 546 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: As we close up this edition of Hammer Territory. 547 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 2: Yeah you as well, Sean. I love we do these 548 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 2: what was it the Coleman combo? I love it? Yeah, 549 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 2: it was good to fill in. I hope Steven, if 550 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 2: you're listening, I hope you're feeling better, buddy. I think 551 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 2: the plan is for Brad and Steven to do a 552 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 2: show a little bit later this week, and as always, 553 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 2: whenever the Braves make a move, we will have a show, 554 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 2: usually within a couple hours. I mean, we really do. 555 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 2: Everyone gets excited. We get excited whenever a deal goes 556 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 2: down and try to have that podcast ready for y'all 557 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 2: right away. But a big thanks to everybody who was 558 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 2: stuck with us. Through the off season. I promise you 559 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 2: there is activity on the horizon, and even if it's 560 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 2: not the Braves, hopefully across all of baseball we'll get 561 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 2: some movement which really will help break the dam and 562 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,479 Speaker 2: make for a fun couple of weeks ahead, especially with 563 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 2: the Winter Meetings just a few days away. 564 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: Absolutely not only moves, but Andrew Jones Hall of Fame 565 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: debates and everything else that you could possibly plus the 566 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: excitement of International Signing Day and seeing what could occur there. 567 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: That's the great thing about off season baseball that there's 568 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: always a calendar event right around the corner to get 569 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: excited about. But for Scott Coleman, my name is Sean Coleman. 570 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: You can find our handles on x slash Twitter right 571 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: down here. You can find Hammer Territory across all forms 572 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: of social media, part of the Foul Territory family of podcasts. 573 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: Great to be a part of that family. So many 574 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: great baseball podcasts that are out there. Until next time 575 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: for Scott Coleman again with Sean Coleman. Here go Braze. 576 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you again soon here on the Hammer 577 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: Territory podcast.