1 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: If it doesn't work, you're just not using enough. You're 2 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: listening to soft Love Radio, Special Operations, military news and 3 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: straight talk with the guys in the community. Welcome back 4 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: to Softwork Radio. We have Part two with Bob Adams. 5 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: Colonel Bob Adams, m D n B A eighteen years 6 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: in the Navy, twelve as a seal, eighteen years in 7 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: the Army, author of multiple books. Six Days of Impossible 8 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: is website Seal hell Week dot com. And what's the 9 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: second book, Bob Swords and Sat Doctor's Journey, and that's 10 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: at Swords and Saints dot com. That's the book that 11 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: looks back it thirty five years of medicine, army and 12 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: civilian peace and war. So, if you haven't had a 13 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: chance to catch the first interview we got into in 14 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: a background, had some connectivity issues on my part. I 15 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: want to have bought back and just have a deeper 16 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: conversation and get into some of the some of the stories. 17 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: It's always uh interesting in the seal community just to 18 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: see where guys go in the past, they take and 19 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: you know, for instance, Bob, I don't know if you 20 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: know this. My platoon commander in Afghanistan as Chris Cassidy, 21 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: who is orbiting Earth right now on the and on 22 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: the International Space Station and was the second seal astronaut. 23 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: And then Johnny Kim was a sniper student of mine. 24 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: Johnny went on to Harvard Medical School and then became 25 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: the third Navy seal astron Not so pretty wild. Some 26 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: of us are some underachievers, that's for sure. And you 27 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: worked with Admir mcgraven and Hargrave and some really good 28 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: leaders in your young years that became great leaders in 29 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: their older years. Yeah. I mean I was fortunate enough 30 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: to come into that that kind of same environment you 31 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 1: did the post Vietnam guys, and we still had a 32 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: couple of those guys around half asked McCarthy was in 33 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: our seal team, training training cell, just some characters. Yeah. 34 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: So it was good times for sure. But I want 35 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: to get into some of your the partward you were 36 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: in the Army as a doctor, got approached by Delta 37 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: Force and you said, look, guys, I wanna practice medicine 38 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 1: and come back in two years, which they did. Uh, 39 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: And then you did a tour in Delta Force. But 40 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: I loved to kind of recap that and maybe get 41 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: into some some stories you can share, sure, absolutely. I 42 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: mean it was somewhat unique to show up at uh 43 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: An Army post in an Army uniform wearing a Navy 44 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: seal patch on my left breast, and so the word 45 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: got out fast. There's a doctor running around with a 46 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: Navy seal patch on him. And I hadn't been there 47 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: long when they knocked on the door and said come 48 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: play with us. And I had no idea who they 49 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: were where they were very very uh appropriately classified a unit. 50 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: But I honestly told him, I said, you know, guys, 51 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: I think I know who you're talking about. I think 52 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: I know who you are, but not now. And then 53 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: when I said I come back in two years and 54 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: they did, I said, you know, now, at this point 55 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: in my career, I've delivered a lot more babies. I've 56 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: seen a lot more patients. I was a family doc, 57 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: and so I delivered the babies, take care of the kids, 58 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: watched them grow up. Learned how the Army worked, which 59 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: was a big deal for me because you know, eighteen 60 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: years in the Navy and now suddenly in the Army 61 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: there's a translation period that has to happen. So I 62 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: learned that the Army had latrines, and not heads and 63 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: walls and not bulkheads, and I was getting a little 64 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: bit better at it, so I said, sure, now would 65 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: be a good time, and they brought me in and 66 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: made me the command surgeon for the Army's Delta Force, 67 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: which is a not a surgical position, as you know 68 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: in the military, military doctors are. Their positions are called 69 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: command surgeon. That goes all way back to the Civil 70 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: War days. As a command surgeon, I had a p 71 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: A that worked for me, and another doctor that worked 72 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: for me, and a bunch of eighteen Delta the medics, 73 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: which are the top of the cream of the crop 74 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: of the best trained medics in the military. Um Our 75 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: Navy seal guys sent him to the eighteen Delta medical 76 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: course six months of real hard training. So I just 77 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: I just had a superstar staff working with me and 78 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: for me. The story I like to tell about coming 79 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: into the unit was a deputy commander who later went 80 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 1: on to be a wonderful major general, close friend of mine, 81 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 1: pulled me into his office and he said, pay attention. 82 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,559 Speaker 1: You know, I'm chief staff here and the only job 83 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 1: I haven't done on my staff is yours, and I 84 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: can't do it can't can't learn how to do it. 85 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: So here's how things work. You know, in my unit, 86 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: we have unlimited resources. You may spend whatever you want 87 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: to accomplish the mission I'm about to give you, and 88 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: if you ask for it, I will give it to 89 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 1: you because I can't argue with you. And I went, Okay, 90 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: this is getting good. What do you want me to do? 91 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: Because I want to take care of my soldiers don't 92 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: want to take care of their families, and I want 93 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: you to do it better than anybody in the United 94 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: States Army. God, sir, I can do that. And he 95 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: stayed true to his word. For two years. I spent 96 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: more money than any doctor I've ever heard of in 97 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 1: building up a much better clinic system, remote system, deployment 98 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 1: system for the medics, training system for both the the 99 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: unit members and and my medics. Uh So it had 100 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: worked out really, really well, and a number of interesting 101 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: things happen. We can touch on those if you want. Yeah, 102 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: I know, I would love to. I mean, it's it's 103 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: great to hear. And to your point on just the 104 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: training that the Army has with the eighteen Delta course, 105 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: I had lost my best friend had been Ghazi Glenn already. 106 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: Glenn was amazing, just one of those guys that everyone loved. 107 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: He was a corman. And it's funny, in the seal teams, 108 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 1: you have usually the corman that you just don't want 109 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: to see because they're like, there's no bedside manner, and 110 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: in the ones that you're just like, oh, this guy 111 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: is gonna really take care of me. Glenn was that 112 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: kind of guy and and just an incredible loved what 113 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: he did, passionate about it. But just I remember going 114 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 1: on a surfing trip with some friends and this guy 115 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: so Hey Crushy, who was one of the top neurosurgeons 116 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: in southern California, went on this trip with us and 117 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: one of the guys. We were surfing at my dad's 118 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: house in Cambo, and one of the guys went over 119 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: the falls and got impaled on this rock. He was 120 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: kind of a novice surfer and punched punched a hole 121 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: in his back and literally chipped his spine. Like thank god, 122 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: he didn't have any issues. But I mean, you know, 123 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: you're you're with a Navy Seal Combat Medic eighteen delta 124 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: long course train and a neurosurgeon on the surf trip, 125 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: so it's like if you're ever going to do that, 126 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: you're pretty good hands. But they literally operated on this 127 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: guy like got the chip out, sewed him up and everything, 128 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: and I remember by so Hey, my friend was like, 129 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: he was like, damn, like you're really good, Like he 130 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: wanted to hire him as a p A and then 131 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: ended up Glenn Unfortunately he was was one of the 132 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: two seals that that died in and have been Gauzi incident. 133 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: But I guess my point is even the met like 134 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: the eighteen Delta train medics are, I feel like I'm 135 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: in better hands with them than most kind of civilian 136 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: train doctors that I've been to. Now that I've been 137 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: out out of the military for some time now, I 138 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: absolutely agree with you. When one of the comments that 139 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: I make in my in My Swords and Saints look 140 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: is when I deployed to the Iraq with the second 141 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: Airborne Division. We arrived in Kuwait and we had to 142 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: take this long road journey from Quait into the bad 143 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: guy country in Iraq, and I only had me and 144 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: two other doctors. And I looked at the commander and 145 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: I said, look, I'm flying myself from the two doctors 146 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: ahead to Iraq. You guys gonna drive through bad guy 147 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: country and bad things are gonna could happen. They didn't, luckily, 148 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: And he wait, wait, wait, wait, why are you taking 149 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: the docks away? And I said, because the medics know 150 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: that their job better than my doctors know it better 151 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: than I know it, their airway, breathing circulation, and I 152 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: need to be set up and ready to receive you 153 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: should something bad happen. He looked at me, went really, 154 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: I said, really, trust me on this one. The medics 155 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: do their job better than your doctors do their jobs. 156 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: And he he stayed with me on that, and and 157 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: good things came of it because we sent sent people 158 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: out on missions that where things did happen and the 159 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: medics performed. A marvelously and related story, one of the 160 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: interesting achievements that we as a as a as an 161 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: expanded and more capable medical system did for Delta was 162 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: one of my senior medics came to me and said, 163 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: you know, dog, I got a concern. We've got three 164 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: operational units here in Delta, and we only have a 165 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: couple of medics assigned each one, and we don't both 166 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: go on every mission. What if one of us gets 167 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: hurt and I went, well, we we propiled with these 168 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: I propose that we train the operators in airway breathing circulation. 169 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 1: We get them ready to handle me if I'm a casualty, 170 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: and we immediately implemented as a brilliant IDEA commander approved 171 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: to put the money behind it. We trained everybody I 172 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: VS tourniquets, advanced medical care. And two years after I 173 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: left the unit, a six d pound bomb dropped an 174 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: Afghanistan on friendly forces and unfortunately some of our guys 175 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: were there and the most serious casualties were the two 176 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: medics that were there. And the s garde made of 177 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: the unit kadom because doctors need to tell you that 178 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: you've got two medics alive today because of the program 179 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: that you started when you were there. Our operators saved 180 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: their life. And if you're following the news, the Rangers 181 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: Army Rangers right now when they deploy, every single Ranger 182 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: deploys with a trans auto transfusion kid in his leg. 183 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: In his leg they now and have actually done in 184 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: field under fire transfusions. If you're an own nest shouldn't 185 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: say everybody. If you're an own negative blood type, you 186 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: carry a transfucient kit in your uniform and they call 187 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: out and in no nag, I got a casualty on 188 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: the ground here. And just recently they had that happened 189 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: where the rangers you know, well well providing return fire 190 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: actually hooked their own cells up to a transfusion and 191 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: gave it the casualty blood. I mean, there's been a 192 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: couple of the nificant development by medics, right uh, I 193 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: forget what I'm gonna murder the name. It was a 194 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: seal medic that created that. Wasn't it like something for 195 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: a sucking chest wound. It was some type of valve 196 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: Asherman or a valve. Yeah, that's for that's for a 197 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: numal thorax. So that second testrient it just basically a 198 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 1: one way valve. When you breathe in the air doesn't 199 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: scoop back out again, and so it allows the lung 200 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: to reinflate when otherwise it would have collapsed and there's 201 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: nothing you can do about it. One of my Delta 202 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: medics also developed something called the Hogan straps, which is 203 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: used in the UH sixty helicopters for hanging casualties. Hang 204 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: three casualties on the side of the wall of the 205 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: uh CC helicopter. Whereas before when you put a casualty 206 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: on the floor, now bird's fall. He said, wait a minute. 207 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: We got to be able to handle more than one 208 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: casually at a time. So medics are always coming up 209 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: with a better way, and when you give them permission 210 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 1: to be to be good, they get great. I mean, 211 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: you shared a couple of great stories with us last time, 212 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: but do you have any any other stories that kind 213 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: of stand out? But at the time and at the unit, 214 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: and how long did you how long did you serve 215 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: it in? That was command for surgeon for just under 216 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: four years. And during that time, my services were called 217 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:25,599 Speaker 1: for many many times, and it always started with a 218 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: eagle down was the code. We have one of those down. 219 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: And you know, I we're talking about people that are 220 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 1: close to you that have had hip problems. And I'll 221 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: tell you that one of my more interesting stories was 222 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 1: a forty three year old free fall parachutists doing routine 223 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: parachuting in in in our local area. And when you know, 224 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: as you know, when you're in free fall parachute, you're 225 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: stable about a hundred and twenty miles an hour, and 226 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: when he pulled the shoote he felt pain in his 227 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: hip and he went out. But any number of reasons, 228 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: you could have pain anywhere and your body an opening shock. 229 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: But when he flew his shoot in, which should have 230 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: been a nice soft landing right there on the X 231 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: where he's supposed to, the medic was standing by, and 232 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: he kind of collapsed instead of doing a soft stand up. 233 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: Medic ran over and said what's up, and he goes, 234 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, a doc, you know, opening shock. I 235 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: felt pained to my hip and I just landed and 236 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: I feel it again. And he goes, well, let's get 237 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: you in, you know, let's get you in the ambulance. 238 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 1: Let's run you off to the clinic. Doc, we'll see you. 239 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: And he goes, no, no, no no, no, no, no no, 240 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: Now come on, I'm fine. I'm look, I'm standing up, 241 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: I'm walking them fine. So against the medics better judgments, 242 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: he said, look, I promise I'll go to shoot shake 243 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: out and I'll walk go over to the clinic. So 244 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: he lets him go back with the regular with the jumpers. 245 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: Does this shoot shake out comes over to my clinic 246 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: at five o'clock? Bad stuff always happens in the doctor's 247 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: office at five o'clock, And uh, he lives in and 248 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 1: I do his exam laying down, and it feels like 249 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: he's got a broken hip because the bones crunch when 250 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: I push on him. But I make the mistake of 251 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: standing up to do his X ray and because we 252 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: have a nice little stand up actually right there, take 253 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: the picture. Look at it, and there's no sign of 254 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: a fracture on his hip. So I go, well, I 255 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: don't care, I don't see the fracture. I'm gonna send 256 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: you the emergenet room anyway. He talks me out of it. 257 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: He goes, no, no, no, I promise I'll come back 258 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: in the morning. Look, it's after hours. I gotta go. 259 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: You gotta go. And I went, all right, here's the 260 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: only way I'm gonna let that happen. I'll let my 261 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: medic drive you home, and my medic will pick you 262 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: up in the morning and bring you back. But you're 263 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: gonna go to oor paxon of the morning. Goes fine. 264 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: It's about fifteen minutes later as I put my jack 265 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: back and up heading out that during my cell phone rings, 266 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: medic goes, he's dead. Doc, he's on the ground here, 267 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: he's dead. I would crap. I know exactly what happened. 268 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: He's bleeding internally. He ripped, He ripped that that vessel 269 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: that that circles our hip with us, and he's bleeding, 270 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: and he goes, what are you doing? He goes, I'm 271 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: giving CPR. I said, we'll keep doing it. He goes, wait, wait, wait, 272 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: I got a pulse and I go, great, I'm calling 273 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: an ambulance to your location now, and he goes, no, know, 274 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: I've already called him. I called them before I called you. 275 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: And as we're talking, I hear the ambulance irons in 276 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: the background, like all right, So so just stay with 277 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: him steady. Let him know. We're pretty sure he broke 278 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: his hip. He's bleeding internally. They got in the hospital 279 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: and sure not, that's exactly what had happened. When where 280 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: the hip comes together as the pubic bone touches, when 281 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: you break your hip, you can't break it in one place. 282 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: You have to break it into because it's a circle. 283 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: So it bam. It pulled the pubic apart when it 284 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: fractured the right side of his pelvis, and that tears 285 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: the artery that lives behind that, and it was pumping 286 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: his full of blood this whole time, and by the 287 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: time they got him in a hospital. He had a 288 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: basketball sized blood cloud in his pelvis. They gave him blood, 289 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: they resuscitated him. He lived, God bless him, and actually 290 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: did not need surgery. The surgeon said, you know, the hip, 291 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: that pelvic area is self contained, so when it fills 292 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: up with the basketball size of blood, it tampan on, 293 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: it itself off and clotted off. Okay, long story short. 294 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: Six weeks later, the guys all better, feeling great, back 295 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: at work, same medics season, in the field doing a 296 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: demolition work and he's really pale looking and he goes you, okay, yeah, 297 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: I'm okay. I'm just a little week, you know. And 298 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: my stools have been blacked for the last three days. 299 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: What medicines you've taken. I'm still taking that three times 300 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: in a motor and the guy gave me after my 301 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: hip broke. Oh crap, Now you've got an ulcer and 302 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: is bleeding. And sure enough we got him in the hospital, 303 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: had to transition of two more units of blood. And 304 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: the reason I tell that part of the story is 305 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: a month later, he comes into me goes, hey, will 306 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: you sign this chip for me to free fall parachute again. 307 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: I went almost dead twice is enough? Not gonna do it? 308 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: And I know you're gonna say that, I just had 309 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: to ask. I remember we called motor in vitamin m 310 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: ranger candy in the Army. I think this is a 311 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: good point for you to kind of give the listeners 312 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 1: some advice on hip, knee and back pain because, uh, 313 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: you know, we have a mostly male audience and including 314 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: a couple of pro athletes. I end up meeting, uh 315 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: Brent Burns, becoming friends with him. He's an all star 316 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: defenseman for the Sanjose Sharks, but great player. But yeah, 317 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: you got any Uh you're giving me some tips about 318 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: CBD earlier, you got any big fantas CBD oil As 319 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: I take it myself. It's saved me after five surgeries 320 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: from a replacement, and I'm expecting to take it into 321 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: old age should that ever arrive. And you know, the 322 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: under the tongue CBD O once a day in the 323 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: morning is an anti inflammatory, very natural, and it's in 324 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: its effect. I wish I'd have had it when I 325 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: was with the units. It's a recent phenomenon. It's made 326 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: from the hip plant, not the marijuana plant, and some 327 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: of the products that are out there have a zero 328 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: points duaro THC in it, So for people that have 329 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: to do drug tests, don't buy that particular one because 330 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: it actually can't shop on a drug TSK even though 331 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: it's physically inactive. But I'm a big fan of that 332 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: and it works very very well for the arthritic conditions 333 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: that come from sports over usage traumatic events such as 334 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: skiing and jumping out of airplanes. It reminds me of 335 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: two other quick orthopedic stories while we're on that theme. 336 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 1: One eagle down call was when one of the operators 337 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: during training was doing close quarters combat training and he 338 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: grabbed a flash bang off the back of the guy 339 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: in front of him. They're going in shoulder and hand 340 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: on shoulders, pulls a flash bang to throw it standard procedures, 341 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: and the flash bang malfunctioned and went off without the 342 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 1: three second delay and blew his hand off basically instant. 343 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: The cauter I didn't believe because it had been basically 344 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: hot blast burn. He shows up in the emergency room 345 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 1: and he's sitting there looking at his own hand, and 346 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: the nurse comes up to me goes, who are these guys? 347 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 1: You know there's a guy in there with just bones 348 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: and he's looking at him and telling us about what happened, 349 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: and well, these are a different bunch of guys. You know. 350 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: We ended up having to amputate his most of his 351 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: hand and we got him an artificial hand. It worked 352 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: because I said I had unlimited money, I could buy 353 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: anything I wanted, and he got the best. But he's 354 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: the same guy. He showed up about two months later 355 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: asked me to clear him the free fall parachute again 356 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: and I went, really, no, no, I've been in the harness. Look, look, 357 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 1: look I can, I can. I can operate the toggles 358 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: and I went, can you release the safety link on 359 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: your right on your left shoulder? He goes, how do 360 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: you know about that? Now? Free fall parachuters too, and 361 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: you can't do it? All right? I had to ask. 362 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: But keeping that theme of who are these guys and 363 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: brand and you're a great example of it. I mean, 364 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: I've read your book, read Circle and what what you 365 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: went through, and I really enjoyed the the paragrapher, you're 366 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: talking about being your first visitor to the to the 367 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: met shed after almost an entire training period, and we're going, 368 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 1: wait a minute, there's nothing in your record. What are 369 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: you and you're a great example of what I'm about 370 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: to say. You know this, this gentleman was was repelling 371 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: down the side of a forty ft building and the 372 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 1: repelling device failed and he fell most of that way 373 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: in free fall. Tried to do the best parachute landing 374 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: fall he could, but in the process broke all the 375 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: bones in his in both fiets. So we got there, 376 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: immediately got him to the operating room. I was there 377 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: and the orthodic surgeon and I are trying to run 378 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: wires through. You know, if this is a toe one 379 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: to three joints, we'd run it here all the way 380 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: back through all ten toes, lining up the pieces, getting 381 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: them all lined up well to do that. At this point, 382 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: and this joint, that wire has got a poke through 383 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: the cartilt we were talking about earlier. Cartilage does not 384 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: like being disrupted. So the surgeon looks at me and 385 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: he goes, you know, Bob, I don't know how to 386 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: tell you this, but this boy is not going to 387 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: run again. He's not gonna walk again without pain. And 388 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: I went and he said, and he was a superstar 389 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: with big surgeon, And I went, all right, I'll pass 390 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: that on to the commander and I went back to 391 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: the same commander who told me to spend all the 392 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: money I want, and I told him the same story. 393 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: I said, so, I had to tell you this, but 394 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: your boy's gonna heal. He's gonna be all right. But 395 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 1: the surgeon tells me he may never walk without paying 396 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: much less run again. And I remember the commander sitting 397 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: back like this. He goes, Doc, you don't know what 398 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: these boys are made of. And six months later that 399 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: guy ran by my clinic and wave that me. Heyd 400 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: and Doc, I'm sure I hurt, but he was still 401 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: you know, he was back. He was back in operational. 402 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: A lot of it is a meaning. You can do 403 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: a lot, I personally believe when you're under forty, but 404 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: a lot of us are. Unless we take care of ourselves, 405 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: we're just gonna There's lots of things are gonna hurt. 406 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: Absolute true. That's why I went for my swim this morning. 407 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 1: You gotta keep the joints lumber and moving. But I'm 408 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 1: not gonna mean I'm not gonna put on a six 409 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: pound rock rock for fun anymore. It's one of those things. 410 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: So I I've been a part of this community called 411 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: the Young Presidents organization y p O. And I get 412 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: a lot of these older guys that asked me, Hey, 413 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: I want to let's do a spartan race, Let's do this, 414 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: Let's do all this crazy stuff. And like guys like 415 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: I'm like a Porsche in the garage. I want to 416 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: wax it on the weekends and like me take it 417 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: out for a nice, you know, easy spin around the neighborhood. 418 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: But we're not doing anything, you know, anything crazy, Like 419 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: I'm not putting on a ruck sack, I'm not running anymore. 420 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: It's I'm like, I'm doing things that I can do 421 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: in the old ages, yoga, swimming, surfing, And I think 422 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: a lot of like my personal philosophy on on health 423 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: and wellnesses, a lot of And this is a big whole. 424 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: Another bag of worms is the healthcare system in America 425 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: likes to treat with prescription drugs and surgery when oftentimes 426 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 1: it's like, if your back is hurting, it's because you're overweight, 427 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: you're not stretching, you're not exercising, and if you just 428 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: do those things, get your alignment back, your posture back, 429 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: you can kind of solve the issue. But you take 430 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: a pain pill and the next thing you know, and 431 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 1: the things start hurting, it just kind of like snowballs 432 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: into these other symptoms and you just never recover. You know, 433 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: You've got multiple surgeries now and you're just like totally 434 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: fucked for life. Now. You you gave me the absolute 435 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: perfect way to plug my book Swords and Saints. A 436 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: Doctor's Journey looks back at thirty five years of medicine, 437 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 1: and it points out how dangerous the medical system if 438 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: it's not proud, really managed, and unfortunately our system is 439 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: getting worse and not better. And I just retired a 440 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: couple of months ago, partly out of frustration with being 441 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 1: unable to protect my patients from the broken system that 442 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: we all live in. And it is, it is very, 443 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: very real. The military does a much better job than 444 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: the civilian world because we're not in the military, we're 445 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: not practicing for money. But in the civilian world we 446 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: do way too many orthopedic operations that are not necessary, 447 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: way too many spinal operations, back operations that could have 448 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 1: easily been handled by CBD oil and rest and relaxation 449 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: and physical therapy. So you're you're you you nailed it there. 450 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: My friend that I talked about before, So hey, was, 451 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: and he doesn't participate in this, but he was telling 452 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: me this whole racket of these personal injury attorneys. They 453 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: get their patients to to basically get surgery so they 454 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: can claim that the you know, they've been operated on, 455 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: so they can go to court and get get a 456 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: higher personal injury settlement. And my friend was like, I 457 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 1: just refused to do it. But he's like, there's plenty 458 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: of like orthosurgeons and neurosurgeons that just kind of take 459 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: the money, but the incentives are all out of whack, right, 460 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: You've got different surgical thank COVID for one second a lot. 461 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 1: And I want to say this because you're recording it, 462 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: and I want people to hear this. If we we 463 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: as doctors, are being told to write on death certificates 464 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: they died of COVID when we know they didn't. At 465 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: hospital systems were almost all employed now because federal government 466 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: has removed the insurance companies from the anti trust anti 467 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: monopoly laws or not. What the federal government did with 468 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: good intention was they said, look, we're in the middle 469 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: of the COVID crisis. So if you've got a COVID 470 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: patient and we realized you got to buy other ppe 471 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 1: and stuff, protective equipment. We'll pay you more if you're 472 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: taking care of a COVID patient. We'll guess what happened. 473 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: All the hospitals told all the doctor code everybody COVID, 474 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: and so because we get paid more money for it. 475 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 1: When you come in to see me. Under the old system, 476 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: I coded you a one, two, three, or four level 477 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: patient and each level I got more money for it 478 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 1: was the max. Now I can code you level for COVID, 479 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: and the hospital system makes more money and my reimbursement 480 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: bonus goes up. And so one of the reasons the 481 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: numbers are inflated. And even the even the World Health 482 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 1: Organization CDC said the same thing is we're banged doctors 483 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: to to code COVID, and so it's it's a broken 484 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: system that is money focused. And I missed the military 485 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: peace practice of medicine because I didn't have lawyers telling 486 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: me what to do or boss is asking me to 487 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: miss code death certificates so they can make more money. Yeah. No, 488 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: that's a great point you bring up. I mean, you know, 489 00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: it's it's sad somebody that because now, I mean I've 490 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: traveled quite a bit, I'm sure you have as well. 491 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: But I go like I dislocated my shoulder skiing and 492 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: Shamani and I had a great experience, and I paid 493 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 1: the bill like I paid the full bill. Probably didn't 494 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: have to, but it was like Bucks, they reset my 495 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 1: shoulder X ray and me ambulance ride all in fifteen 496 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: hundred dollars. That would have been an outrageous bill in 497 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: the US. And it's just, you know, it sucks to 498 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: think that we're living in a time in America where 499 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: you know, we're feeding garbage to our kids. You know, 500 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 1: the education system doesn't I have an incredibly smart All 501 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: my kids are in probably smart. My oldest son is 502 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 1: graduating tonight. I'm I'm finishing this to watch the live 503 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 1: stream of his his graduation. But like at four point 504 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: to g p a computer science whiz kids, perfect a 505 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 1: c T score, gonna study artificial eligance next year. He 506 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: as a part time job. We agreed he was going 507 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: to run one of our one of the investments that 508 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: made the self storage and he's like, Dad, I've learned 509 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 1: so much in two months about personal finance, Like how 510 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: come they don't teach us this stuff in school? Like 511 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: how to stay debt free? And you know, so it's 512 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: like healthcare, education. There's so much that's that's broken right 513 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 1: now in America. Just nutrition, right, the school system needs 514 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: our kids garbage and no wonder they have diabetes and cancer. 515 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: And even the hospital system right like the takes teach 516 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: some of the most basic nutritional interventions that can help people. 517 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: You know, go back to the COVID for a minute. 518 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: People have been pointing out the dark skinned races are 519 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: dying more frequently from COVID, but we know one of 520 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: the factors that that the reason is is their vitamin 521 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: D deficient. Dark skinned races take a lot more sunshine 522 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: to get the same amount of vitamin D that as 523 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: pale skin folks need to get to have adequate levels, 524 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: and we're now giving it as a treatment modality. Everybody 525 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: gets vitamin D. But does the news report do they 526 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: teach people how to be well? No, they report the crisis. 527 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: They don't teach people how to be well. It's not 528 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: taught in schools, is not taught in our in our 529 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: basic news media because that's not doesn't making people well, 530 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: doesn't sell advertisements. So it's you know, it's a sad 531 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: and broken system. I just hope I mean, thankfully we 532 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: still live in a country where we can change stuff. 533 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: But it's I remember watching uh I forget this series. 534 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: I think it was called The Newsroom, and this guy 535 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: went on a rant on, how you know America is 536 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: not the greatest country anymore? And you know, I look 537 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: at my time Harvard Business School. My friend runs a 538 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: billion dollar business processing visas all over the world. He's 539 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: headquartered in Switzerland. He's like I applied for basically payroll 540 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: detection relief in Switzerland. It was a one page document. 541 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: I filled it out at nine am in the morning 542 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: and by four pm I had I had the money 543 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: in my bank account. I think you're afraid of the 544 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six movie network. I think I get in 545 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: front of the TV camp mad as hell and I'm 546 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: not taking this anymore. Go for it. But God got 547 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: that COVID things interesting because I mean it, it does 548 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: make sense, you know that, because I had a friend 549 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: of mine who's in banking, lost his father. His father 550 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: was waste, but he didn't have the symptoms of COVID 551 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: and they classified him as a COVID death. And the 552 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: families like, this doesn't make sense to us, but they 553 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: couldn't even like, yeah, they couldn't even like check right there. 554 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: He couldn't even show up for the funeral. Paper this 555 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: week reported a hundred year old woman of the COVID virus. 556 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: And I went, probably not, but I letn't sell newspapers. 557 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: And anyway, I gotta tell one quick Delta and Seal 558 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: story and and and maybe if we're running out of time, 559 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: you can you can close it on this. But one 560 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: of our compadres that made well of himself from my 561 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: era was Admiral Eric Olson, our first forced our Navy 562 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: seal And the day I reported to Delta as the 563 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: Delta Force Surgeon, he reported in as the commander of 564 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: Seal Team six. And we both went to the same 565 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: indoctrination briefing, looked at each other. We're classmates from the 566 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: Naval Academy. Go, what are you doing here? Said? I 567 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: work here? Well, me too, how about that? But the 568 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: reason I tell that story is every three months, the 569 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: Tier one units get together as a team and they 570 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: put on demonstrations for congressmen and general officers and of 571 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: all services to show them what our capabilities are. And 572 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: almost inevitably, either the Delta Force commander or the Seal 573 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: team Sex commander would come up to me because I've 574 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: been there on both sides. So Doc, who's better Delta 575 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: or Seal? And I said, it always depend on who asked, 576 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: you know. The Delta guy goes, they're not as good 577 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: as we are. They oh, absolutely not, So couldn't hold 578 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: a candle to yet, and come up to me goes, 579 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: what do you think? What do you think those Delta 580 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: guys they can't do a week and do? Oh, absolutely 581 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: not good and hold the candle to you. I played 582 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: that game with him back and forth. They both knew 583 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,479 Speaker 1: that without each other, you know, the force was weakened, 584 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: but the competition never ended. I got a big kick 585 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: out of that. That's fine, that's a good story. Well, 586 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: I think that's a good good note, tend On. I 587 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: appreciate you coming back with us for a second time. 588 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: Would love to stay in touch. I'm definitely gonna look 589 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: you up as I'm flying through on my way back, 590 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: probably because I'm gonna hit the Northern States this summer, 591 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: but we'll definitely hit at the Carolinas on the way back. Yeah, 592 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: it's been great, Bob. I love to say for you, 593 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: so come come share one with me. Yeah, I will, 594 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: for sure, Yeah, I will, definitely it'll be me and 595 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: the girlfriend flying the flying back. But we're it'd be 596 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: great to me in person and appreciate the time. And 597 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 1: you've got a great story. So anything we can do 598 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: to to kind of promote the books, let me know 599 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: any anything, anytime. Well, thank you, I appreciate the offer 600 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: very much. Just put the links out there and well 601 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: I'll let you know how it goes. All right, you 602 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,959 Speaker 1: got a buddy, all right, all right, yeah, all right, 603 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: thanks everybody for tuning in. I hope you enjoyed that 604 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: second session with Bob. What a great guy. I mean, 605 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: guy that served as a Navy seal, became a doctor 606 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: and then went back into the Special Forces as a 607 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: as a Delta Force surgeon and ran the medical program 608 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: at Delta and then went on to have a practice. 609 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: Just an incredible background. Glad to uh have him on 610 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: the show. I hope you guys enjoyed that. And I'm 611 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 1: sure we'll get we'll get bobbed back and get some 612 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 1: more crazy stories out of them. 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