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Speaker 1: We are Hello, everybody, Welcome to the Rene Stubs Tennis Podcast.

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Speaker 1: We are actually at my apartment, but we decided to

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Speaker 1: take it outside because it is so beautiful here in

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Speaker 1: New York today. It's about what seventy three degrees sunny,

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Speaker 1: much that makes Caitlin very happy.

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Speaker 2: Go Nay's outside. We decided, like you know, when you

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Speaker 2: show up to class and you convince your professor to

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Speaker 2: have class outside, that's what we're doing. We're having class outside.

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Speaker 1: We have some very interesting and fun things to talk

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Speaker 1: about going into the end of Madrid. It hasn't finished yet,

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Speaker 1: and it's going to be prolonged even more because today

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Speaker 1: literally the power went out. Can we talk about this

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Speaker 2: It is so bonkers that in Spain and Portugal they

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Speaker 2: just had like widespread I mean, I remember this happened

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Speaker 2: in Naples a couple of years ago. Obviously, like you know,

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Speaker 2: this doesn't happened infrequently in some birds of the world,

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Speaker 2: but during a major one thousand tournament in the capital

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Speaker 2: kind not one nation do, but do newe eddos it does,

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Speaker 2: it's bananas. My favorite quote about this power outage, yeah

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Speaker 2: uh was Coca asked about what happened who she had

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Speaker 2: finished her match thankfully, but she said, no power where

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Speaker 2: the showers are? So I'm about to go take a

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Speaker 2: shower and I'll let you all know how it goes.

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Speaker 1: Have we heard from her since I don't know, Well,

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Speaker 1: she did post Signs of Life, so I think she did.

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Speaker 2: Did Cocoa make it out of the showers?

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Speaker 1: Yes, Coco let us know. But speaking of Coco playing great,

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Speaker 1: playing great, found her form, you know, But also she

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Speaker 1: looking pretty good early, so you know. And look, a

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Speaker 1: lot of people probably don't like the fact that I'm

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Speaker 1: think she's so good for the game. Her positivity and

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Speaker 1: to watch her sort of lose, but not lose in

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Speaker 1: the way that you know, she lost certain matches in

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Speaker 1: the past where it's been a great, terrific match and

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Speaker 1: certain aspects. But sort of the things that fall apart

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Speaker 1: So I just want her to get through a tournament,

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Speaker 1: because when she's hitting the forehand in and she's moving

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Speaker 1: So when you're playing against someone like Coco, you do

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Speaker 2: The way I take your critiques of Cocoa Gough because

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Speaker 2: for you to not point out. Yeah right, I mean

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Speaker 1: Well you fixed that. How many times have you heard

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Speaker 1: people go, well, I was doing a TV show today

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think just a comfort level being back with Tom.

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Speaker 1: Was literally the only one that pushed it. Well.

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Speaker 2: And sometimes we've had obviously tragic conversations which I think

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Speaker 2: Intense scrutiny for good reason, Like with Elena Rebekna.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting with Elena going down to Switzerlina this week.

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Speaker 1: I mean Switzelena hasn't lost a match on Clay this year. Now, boy,

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Speaker 1: Like Maddy Keys was that player that everyone sort of

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Speaker 1: So I'm trying to say, what do you mean you

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Speaker 2: Now? I hope not. But I also just I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't love her game. I'd never have. I guess

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Speaker 2: those boxes are set up that people look like they're

431
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Speaker 2: sitting in a.

432
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Speaker 1: Chipotle d m V. Like, wait, next time you ever

433
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,639
Speaker 1: woke into Chipotle, which I never delayed better looking than Chipotle.

434
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,920
Speaker 2: It's terrible, as me guess and my bloating, and it's

435
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,480
Speaker 2: last week you made everyone listen to peeing. Let's just

436
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:58,399
Speaker 2: keep it PG. I just think architecturally Spain has some

437
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Speaker 2: of the most amazing, especially Madrid. What on earth were

438
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Speaker 2: you thinking? Have we done that this is the main

439
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:07,560
Speaker 2: stadium for the main tournament?

440
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Speaker 1: Did they not know that the sun goes east to

441
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,679
Speaker 1: west and this is how it's set up? So dumb

442
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Speaker 1: it's done such a bad experience on television to.

443
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Speaker 2: Watch, to have to watch, which is why I again say,

444
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Speaker 2: if you're gonna do it, just bring back to Blue Clay.

445
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Speaker 2: But what I would love to see, especially because we

446
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,640
Speaker 2: hear it's for sale. Is whoever buys Madrid next moves

447
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 2: it out of does something, does something different, moves it

448
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Speaker 2: out of the the Chipotlai Stadium. Yeah, it's a beautiful stadium.

449
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Speaker 1: But I mean as far as like size and everything

450
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Speaker 1: and that, Yeah, it's the facilities.

451
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Speaker 2: It's an incredibly important sporting nation. Spain has contributed. They're

452
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Speaker 2: they've over indexed given how small a country are there,

453
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Speaker 2: and they're kind of like the checks. It's like, yeah,

454
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Speaker 2: they're you know, some of the greatest places in the

455
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Speaker 2: world have come from there and their marquee tournament is

456
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Speaker 2: its yeah.

457
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Speaker 1: For me, Okay, later, let's talk about the biggest story.

458
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Speaker 1: One of the biggest stories, of course from the Vitria

459
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Speaker 1: is our friend Alex Zverev, who we have clearly talked

460
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Speaker 1: about quite at nauseum through the years. But he was correct.

461
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Speaker 1: He was correct in this situation. This ball was so

462
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Speaker 1: far out that he took a photo of it and

463
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Speaker 1: put it up on Twitter and an Instagram for the

464
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Speaker 1: world to see how far this ball was out. As

465
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Speaker 1: soon as the ball bounced, it was I'm sitting there,

466
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Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, the ball's out, and I was like,

467
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Speaker 1: wait a second, what now I want to set this up, okay,

468
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Speaker 1: because it was a it was a very big point

469
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Speaker 1: in the match. He was he'd lost the first set.

470
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Speaker 1: He was trying to get.

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Speaker 2: Back in again and Salad a sperious.

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Speaker 1: Player in Spain. Not an easy task and he's such

473
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Speaker 1: a good player. And this ball was out. It was

474
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Speaker 1: clearly out. The ballmark showed out. There was no other

475
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Speaker 1: ballmark around. Sometimes you can get the ballmarks confused, no

476
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Speaker 1: other ballmark around, and he's begging the umpire to get

477
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Speaker 1: out of the chair, which he knows he can't do.

478
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Speaker 1: So I guess the question is can we have the

479
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Speaker 1: umpires get out of the chair? No, because you know,

480
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Speaker 1: like the ATP and WT have said, like if we

481
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Speaker 1: start doing that, for one, everyone's going to want you

482
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Speaker 1: to jump out of the chair because there has been

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Speaker 1: Evelise also took a photo. Hers was a little bit

484
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Speaker 1: more ambiguous. I wouldn't say for sure that ball was out, but.

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Speaker 2: Helenka took a photo the other day of a ball

486
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Speaker 2: that was clearly touching the line.

487
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think what we're actually talking about is

489
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Speaker 2: does electronic line calling on clay work. There has been

490
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Speaker 2: a lot of controversy about this because unlike hard courts,

491
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Speaker 2: unlike grass courts where the lines are painted on the

492
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Speaker 2: ballmark of clay skids, it tends to move, and for

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Speaker 2: whatever reason, it's way, way, way more open to interpretation.

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Speaker 2: And I suspect what happened here is the same way

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Speaker 2: that the ball machine, the ballmark machine, would be off

496
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Speaker 2: by I don't know, an inch in every direction. It's

497
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Speaker 2: taking away line space on one side and giving it

498
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Speaker 2: in line space on the other. I'm not an engineer.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but it does raise a pretty creatical issue,

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Speaker 2: which is like, how could this egregious of a of

501
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Speaker 2: a call be made?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what the answer is. I will say this,

504
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Speaker 2: I don't miss the days where they came down and

505
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Speaker 2: like just sort of I will say I balled it.

506
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Speaker 2: That wasn't good TV and didn't seem that convincing when

507
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Speaker 2: the line judges did look at it.

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Speaker 1: People can argue with me on this issue, and there

509
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Speaker 1: is no blanket statement on this, but the one blanket

510
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Speaker 1: statement I will make as a forma player and somebody

511
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Speaker 1: that had good eyes I did. I did. I made

512
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Speaker 1: from pretty good line calls when we had the electronic

513
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Speaker 1: line calling and we had to challenge and things like that.

514
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Speaker 1: It's a bit of a joke with the umpires. Humans

515
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: make mistakes all the time. Line calls are often wrong

516
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Speaker 1: from time to time on in matches, umpires make really

517
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: bad calls when they come down and they look at

518
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 1: a ballmark. I've had it happen to me many times

519
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: where I'm like, what the fuck are you looking at?

520
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 1: I am looking at the same mark as you, and

521
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 1: you're saying it's out and I'm saying it's in vice versa. Right,

522
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Speaker 1: you can have that argument all day long. This was

523
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Speaker 1: an absolute, pure mistake by the machine that guess what

524
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Speaker 1: happens all the time in the human world. Now here's

525
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Speaker 1: the thing. That same mistake or that same call might

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Speaker 1: happen to your opponent the next game, right, So you

527
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Speaker 1: know in a lot of ways that electronic line call

528
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Speaker 1: is going to fuck it up, maybe the same way

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Speaker 1: the next time around. So it's even Stevens whereas a

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Speaker 1: human might interpret it one way or the other, and

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Speaker 1: might I don't know. I wouldn't say that they like

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Speaker 1: a player more than the other. So maybe you know

533
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Speaker 1: a Roger Federer is going to get a call a

534
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Speaker 1: little bit more over, some guy who's a qualifier. Could

535
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Speaker 1: it happen? Probably has it happened.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent anytime there's subjectivity involved, subjective stuff gone.

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Speaker 1: On, would I have lost my mind? As of o

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Speaker 1: Zverev apps fucking lutely. But the difference is that it's

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Speaker 1: not a human error. It's a calibrations issue probably with

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Speaker 1: the machine that they can fix, and it's going to

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Speaker 1: happen to your opponent more than likely in the same match.

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Speaker 1: So I am a little bit less pissed off at

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Speaker 1: the electronic line calling in general, because I just feel

544
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Speaker 1: like it's there's no human error on that, and I

545
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Speaker 1: feel like it's happened through the years so many times

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Speaker 1: with human error that I preferred this. It wasn't a mistake. Absolutely,

547
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Speaker 1: Could he go on about it. He did, and he

548
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Speaker 1: had every right too, because the boar was definitely out.

549
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Speaker 1: But I just feel like electronic line calling for me,

550
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Speaker 1: will always be the best way to call balls, agree,

551
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Speaker 1: period and a story. So whether it got it wrong,

552
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Speaker 1: it did, but they can calibrate it and move on,

553
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: whereas with a human error, you know, you see it

554
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 1: all the time, then the umpires get a little bit unsure.

555
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: The linesmen get a little bit panicky. They start making

556
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: How many times you see a linesman make a mistake

557
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: and then two games later that same guy makes the

558
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Speaker 1: same mistake, and then you finally like you look over

559
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: there as a player and you're like, oh, he's gone.

560
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: They just get rid of him, yeah, you know, and

561
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Speaker 1: then they replace. I don't miss that. I don't miss

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Speaker 1: that at all. That's why I like the electronic line calling.

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Speaker 1: Somebody else asked me a question about any more thoughts

564
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Speaker 1: on updated news on the US so mixed doubles our

565
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Speaker 1: top players embracing the idea of playing. Yes, they are.

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Speaker 2: Remind us what the structure is for a mixed doubles,

567
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Speaker 2: because I think it's exciting.

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Speaker 1: Well, instead of playing in the second week, which is

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Speaker 1: when you start playing mix, usually by the end of

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Speaker 1: the first week, oh usually Thursday, maybe of the first week,

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Speaker 1: you start playing mix, and it's just a little bit

572
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: too much of a grind for the singles great singles

573
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Speaker 1: plays to play singles doubles or even singles and mixed.

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Speaker 1: Particularly the guy's playing best of five. So they decided

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Speaker 1: to play the mixed doubles before the US Open starts.

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Speaker 1: In the qualifying week fan week, so it's fan week,

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Speaker 1: which listen, I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that

578
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Speaker 1: because I think it's a great because it gets packed

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Speaker 1: in qualifying week, it's packed now it's become a real

580
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Speaker 1: thing to go to. It's like free tickets basically, so

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Speaker 1: you're going to get great atmosphere out there, which I like.

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Speaker 1: And as a player that played you know, singles, doubles

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Speaker 1: and mixed and then predominantly doubles and mixed in the

584
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Speaker 1: latter part of my career where I had my success,

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Speaker 1: it would have been nice to have those crowds all

586
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Speaker 1: the time. And they do love the doubles and mixed

587
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Speaker 1: because most players that are recreational players play doubles and

588
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Speaker 1: mixed doubles, so I think they get a great bang

589
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Speaker 1: for their buck that week. The one problem I have

590
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Speaker 1: with it is this best first of four sets that

591
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Speaker 1: I hate. I am hearing there's a lot of top

592
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Speaker 1: players that are going to play a lot great and

593
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Speaker 1: so I think that's great because it's good for them

594
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Speaker 1: because they're getting matches before the tournament starts in singles.

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Speaker 1: So it's a it's a really interesting concept and idea,

596
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Speaker 1: and I don't dislike it. My issue is the first

597
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Speaker 1: to four, first to four. They're playing first to four games.

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Speaker 2: It's just four games, Yeah, that's the match or what's

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00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:02,239
Speaker 2: the point of that.

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Speaker 1: They want the sets to be quicker? Okay, so I

601
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Speaker 1: think it's best of three sets, first of four games,

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Speaker 1: okay to win the set. So I forgets the three

603
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Speaker 1: all I guess they're playing a tie break. That's what

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00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: I'm hearing.

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Speaker 2: And wasn't there something interesting about the qualification, like who

606
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: gets to be a team? Aren't they prioritizing singles singles

607
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 2: ranking the doubles rankings? So it does.

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Speaker 1: If you're number one in doubles and your number one

609
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: is singles, your number one, and then you add who

610
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: you're playing with.

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Speaker 2: So like a player such as Bethany Maddox Sands who

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Speaker 2: plays a lot of mixed doubles but does not play

613
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Speaker 2: singles well, and.

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Speaker 1: He's not a great example right now because her ranking

615
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: is so low in doubles, I think she's dropped down.

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Speaker 2: Question.

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Speaker 1: Let's say a daniel A Nicole Mellica who's a top

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Speaker 1: the top twenty in the world. Now, might she miss

619
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Speaker 1: out playing with somebody twenty in the world in doubles.

620
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Speaker 1: If two players in the singles or every singles player

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Speaker 1: top twenty plays, yeah, she will miss out.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, so there are some winners and losers, which

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Speaker 2: kind of what I was getting at. Yeah, but you're

624
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Speaker 2: okay with that.

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Speaker 1: I like, I'm not against the week before. I think

626
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Speaker 1: it will be a great event, but I'm just against

627
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Speaker 1: the scoring system. That's I love.

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Speaker 2: Really, I love doubles, and I love the idea that

629
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Speaker 2: the fans will get something up close and personal. And

630
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Speaker 2: you know what, I have my own very sort of

631
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Speaker 2: proto fascist way of dealing with making doubles and mixed

632
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Speaker 2: doubles popular. But I think people watching it is a

633
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: good thing, and I like the idea that the US

634
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Speaker 2: Open is is experimenting there.

635
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: It's it's a malleable situation. We'll see how it goes,

636
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Speaker 1: and if it's a success, then we might see a

637
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: few other Grand Slams. But you do have some insight

638
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: in for that the top players. I'm hearing a lot

639
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: of top players are going to play, so it'll be

640
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: a lot of fun for the Carlitos now Carlitos Coco,

641
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: that'll be great. Just put it out there, or Carlos

642
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: and Emma Radicano, Carlos RADICANU just lost a joke. We

643
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: did get asked a very interesting but also a bit

644
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: of a ridiculous question. What do you think about the

645
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: apparent rigged or algorithm driven draws in the WTA? What

646
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: you make it? The same matchups over and over, Coco

647
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Speaker 1: benchic Eger and noscover mate. Let me just say, Paolo Paola,

648
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: Paola Castro, that's not it doesn't happen. Are it's cooled? Lot?

649
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 2: Are people? Is this a conversation that people have?

650
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: Let me tell you how this works?

651
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 2: But wait, wait, wait is it? I just want to

652
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: understand the premise of the question. I do are people

653
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 2: on the internet saying that draws are rigged?

654
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: Well, some people do think that. Some people do think that.

655
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 2: And let me just have you ever in your thirty

656
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: plus years and the tennis who are ever seen or

657
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: heard anything that would indicate like, hey, actually this so

658
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 2: and so needs to move to this right?

659
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: No? No, like this is this is what happens the

660
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: four seeds or actually sometimes.

661
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 2: Twenty four seeds.

662
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: Hole please, okay, So what happens is sometimes they do

663
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: it electronically or they just put it in the machine

664
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: like at the Grand slams now and they just pop

665
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: it out right. But like on the WTA Tour for example,

666
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: often not always, but most of the time, you'd literally

667
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: put two like what do you call them ping pong bars? Yeah,

668
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: ping pong balls, or you know, I don't even know

669
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: what you call them chips like with the number on it,

670
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: one or two, like a casino chip. Yeah, you put

671
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: the casino chip and you put one is always on top,

672
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: two is always on the bottom, right, then you put

673
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: What happens is you put three and four into a

674
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: bag and then you have somebody a player. They asked

675
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: players to come in, and most players like, fuck no,

676
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: I'm not doing the drawer. Like people run away from

677
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: the day because they don't want to have anything to

678
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: do with it. They're like, no, I don't want to.

679
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to know who's in the.

680
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: Drawer because you would know, because you would know the drawer.

681
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: I feel it could be fun.

682
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: You get to sometimes the random doubles player will be like,

683
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: I'll do it because they know. They're like, yeah, let

684
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: me do it, right. So you go in and you

685
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: literally put your hand in the bag and pull out

686
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: a number and if three comes out, three goes to

687
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: the top, so three ghosts to the bottom of the

688
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: top half of the drawer.

689
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 2: The seeds being placed is just and then four just

690
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 2: gets put on top right of the bottom half of

691
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 2: the drawer, which is why, unfortunately, over the last few

692
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: Grand Slams we've seen like Sinner and Alcarez be put

693
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 2: on the same side of the drawer because Sinner's one

694
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: and Alcarez keeps being fucking three. Yeah, so there's two

695
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: things that it seems like we need to address here

696
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: with Pola's question number one. And it's unclear whether Paula

697
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 2: understands this or not, but in case anybody doesn't, seeds

698
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: get placed. Seeds getting placed is based on ranking, with

699
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: the exception of Wimbledon, who places their own seeds best seeds,

700
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 2: grass or.

701
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: Performance, but seeds get ranked, So three and four are

702
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: always top or bottom. And then it goes five, six, seven,

703
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: and eight get put into it again into a bag

704
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: and you pull out. Whatever number gets pulled out gets

705
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: placed on the top of the quarter final section up

706
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: the top right. So that's how it goes. So you

707
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: put four in and they get drawn out independently and

708
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: they go into the thirty spots in the drawer.

709
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 2: Anybody doesn't know every tournament from your local, you know, community,

710
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 2: to USDA juniors to international tournaments to Grand Slams. Placing

711
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: seeds is part of it because you protect and give

712
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 2: advantages to the people who have a ranking or a

713
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: preferred status. That's why you want to be seen, which

714
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 2: is why you want to be seated, which is why

715
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 2: the rankings do matter. And then everybody else is just

716
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:15,919
Speaker 2: the draw.

717
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: Then what happens is once the seeds get picked, literally

718
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: every other little chip goes into the bag and you

719
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 1: just pull and you pull and you pull.

720
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 2: And this is either happening literally or metaphorically with a computer.

721
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: But either way, I have never seen there's no any

722
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Speaker 2: And if people keep playing each other time and time

723
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 2: and time again, maybe they're Maybe it's fate, Paula, did

724
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 2: you think about that.

725
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fate. And it's it is funny how you

726
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: can play on tour for like ten fifteen years and

727
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: never have played one certain person and then you're playing

728
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: or are you playing one person all the time. It

729
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: happens all the time, all the time. Yeah, but it's random,

730
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: it's totally roundom it's just unless you're in finals every week,

731
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: luck case, or you're going to clear everybody. Yeah, like

732
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: eagishron Tech, Yeah, is going to be in a lot

733
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: of matches because she's in a lot of swindler. No,

734
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: it's a joke about Egan Ostapenko. Keith Onland asked what

735
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: is causing all the ups and down play? Basically one

736
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: wins a one thousand and goes out first round. I

737
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: mean talking about Anissimova, Jack Draper, of course, Ostapenko recently

738
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: wasn't one thing.

739
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 2: That's just tennis.

740
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: That's just tennis.

741
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: Man.

742
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: It's hard to back it up. Sunshine double is really

743
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: hard to do. No one's ever, not very many people

744
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: have done it. Anissimova, of course, you know, had a

745
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 1: terrific win over in the Middle East, and then she's

746
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: gone up and down with some injuries. Ostapenko plays indoors,

747
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: very different surface, very different conditions, goes to Madrid, losers,

748
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: it's altitude, it's very different, completely probably different balls. It's

749
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: really hard to win and do back to back.

750
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: Also, like you're you know, at the end of the day,

751
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 2: you're talking about a bunch of human beings. Like I

752
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 2: think when people and this is sort of. We've been

753
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 2: talking about this a lot in my household because of

754
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 2: the basketball players that are going on. As much as

755
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 2: they try to ignore the basketball playoffs, can't help but

756
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 2: talk about basketball around this time, especially if the next

757
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: you're still in at which my wife is very thrilled

758
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 2: that they are so like, you know, because.

759
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: Man, I got so lucky yesterday. That was such a foul.

760
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 1: That was such a foul.

761
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 2: They should not have won yesterday's game. But the better

762
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 2: teams on average win more because they play best of,

763
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 2: best of, best of, and the you know, in a

764
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 2: lot of these team sports, you know, the better teams

765
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 2: usually do win. What's fun about tennis is like sometimes

766
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: the better player loses. Sometimes the player who wins more

767
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: of the total points still loses. Sometimes the player who

768
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 2: shouldn't have a shot because of something that's gone on,

769
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 2: you know, in an individual sport, like the results results

770
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,919
Speaker 2: can vary. And I think that's like, to me, such

771
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 2: a that's such an ad But I also get that people,

772
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: you know, you just have to learn a lot of

773
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 2: new names and just get excited, which.

774
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: Brings me to the next question. High on Tennis do

775
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: a deep dive about the climate, surface and which players

776
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: have more of an advantage over the others. So that's

777
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: an interesting way to think about it. And I do

778
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 1: want to get to Novak after this question, because usually

779
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: most players that are sort of malleable on all surfaces,

780
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: I would say sable Anca eager to a certain degree,

781
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: and the men's game obviously through the years, Roger Rafa,

782
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: they adapt and they're so.

783
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 2: Good, and that's what makes them good.

784
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 1: And that's what makes them so good.

785
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 2: Anybody can play well on their favorite surface on a

786
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 2: great day when they're feeling great. But the champions figure

787
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: out how altitude, ball, surface conditions, mental stuff. They bring

788
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: it all the time.

789
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, it just depends on the way

790
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: you hit the ball. Do you slide well on clay,

791
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: do you move well on grass? I mean, Roger's perfect example,

792
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 1: and Novaka being able to move on all surfaces. They've

793
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: adapted on all surfaces. Serena adapted to all surfaces. Her

794
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: serve was so big she could win so many free

795
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: points on any surface at any time.

796
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 2: I think about that a lot when it comes to

797
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: Sablanca and Serena, which is just some players have such

798
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 2: an imposing game that they can make I mean yes,

799
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 2: they are also making adjustments. But Sabalanca is playing an

800
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 2: offensive game as is you know, Serena Williams on every

801
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 2: surface regardless of you know, but players who are a

802
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: little bit more CounterPunch oriented have to do something different.

803
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have to adapt a little bit more exact

804
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: in some ways. In others they don't miss a lot.

805
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: So you still have to beat them. You have to

806
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: hit the winners against them, a Switzlena for example, or

807
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 1: it was Niyaki or a hallop. You know, they're gonna

808
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: run you down. They're gonna run balls down. They're gonna

809
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: make you come forward on a fast court, and if

810
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: you're not willing to come in and be aggressive, you're

811
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,919
Speaker 1: gonna lose against a play like that if you play

812
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: them on clay.

813
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 2: I do think it is worth mentioning.

814
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: Though.

815
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: One of the things that I don't love about the

816
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 2: surface conversation in today's tennis is just how same a

817
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 2: lot of the surfaces have become. Because it used to

818
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 2: be very play was slower, grass was faster. There used

819
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 2: to be a regular amount of tournaments on carpet, Like

820
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: imagine if there was a carpet slam. I loved stephie

821
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 2: Graff would never have lost.

822
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: A match on.

823
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 2: Martinez. She loved exactly fast courts. And so for me,

824
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 2: the results of yesteryear where you see a Richard Krachek

825
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 2: in a late stage of a grass tournament or the

826
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 2: bear cetags and you know, Spanish clear court specialists and

827
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 2: Thomas Muster and stuff, they're less so because the game

828
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 2: has optimized so much for this kind of I think samness, Yeah,

829
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 2: which is not you know, it's not a critique so

830
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 2: much is just I missed the random, you know, like,

831
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 2: well it's clay season and let's see if someone are

832
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 2: random is going to win the friends chibn Yeah, and

833
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 2: they probably not going to have add a lot of

834
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: the time.

835
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: A question that was posed to me about Nolay, about

836
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: Novak's body language and press conference quotes and tactical issues,

837
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: et cetera. We talked about this last week, Caitlin. He's

838
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 1: on the worry index. He's still on the worry index.

839
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why. And I don't know if

840
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: I told you did I tell you this story about

841
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: his interview that I did with him a couple of

842
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: years ago, and that year, so when we talked about

843
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: it right, And there was something about the way he

844
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: answered that that it triggered something in me that went, oh, oh,

845
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: I think he's kind of sort of over this a

846
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: little bit, and not like overplaying and over the notoriety

847
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: and over the clap you know, of the crowd. And

848
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: I mean, the thing that's really hard to let go

849
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: of as a tennis player, especially someone so great as him,

850
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: is the adulation and the love of what the people

851
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: are getting from you, which is unreal tennis. Like, my god,

852
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,720
Speaker 1: there's nothing better than winning a twenty five ball rally

853
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: and sliding and you know, hustling and grinding and winning

854
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: that point and having that adulation. Oh my god, there's

855
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 1: nothing like it. It's like legal addiction.

856
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 2: Right.

857
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: But at some point, your age catches up with you.

858
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: The grind catches up with you, the packing your bags

859
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: catches up with you, the being away from your family

860
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: catches up with you, and at some point that shifts

861
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: your mindset a little bit. In the grinding moments in

862
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: matches of eh, do I do I really want to

863
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: like hang in there today? Do I really want to

864
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: like run that one ball down today? And your mind

865
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: is saying yes, But your entirety of your mindset and

866
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 1: body and practice and your thought process. More importantly, your

867
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: thought process is not locked in. Do you and I

868
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: just think he's lost his locked inness?

869
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 2: Do you think given that we've compared a lot of

870
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: this year's nola to last year's nolay where he seemed

871
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 2: not bothered by losing a lot, and his his in retrospect,

872
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 2: his crystal clear focus.

873
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: On was the Olympics.

874
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 2: The Olympic title that had eluded him felt like a

875
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 2: foregone conclusion, Like he was like, Okay, well, I kind

876
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 2: of don't care how this year goes, because I have

877
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 2: one goal and I've accomplished all the other ones, and

878
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 2: I'm going to make sure that this one goes. Do

879
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 2: you think it's different from this year? From what you've seen?

880
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: The thing that I think is different this year is

881
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: that he was absolutely, as you said, singlely focused on

882
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: winning a goal, and he talked about at most obvious

883
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 1: and he played so freakin' well. And I think there's

884
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: a little bit of a flame that was distinguished. Boom,

885
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: after that was done. It was extinguished, thank you, It

886
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: was just extinguished. It was gone. Yes, it was like, okay,

887
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: what do I have to prove now zero, he has

888
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: nothing to prove. The only thing he has left, and

889
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: it's the only thing he talks about, is winning one

890
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: more Grand Slam, to have twenty five Grand Slams and

891
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: have the absolute ultimate record.

892
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 2: I mean, he already has a record, Margaret Courts record

893
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 2: is not real.

894
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: Well we know this, but yeah, Serena really really wanted

895
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: twenty five, you know, but she didn't get it. And

896
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: does it define her, No, of course not. She's still

897
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: the greatest female player of all time, you know, and

898
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: arguably the greatest player of all time. Novak now is

899
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: sitting in that same spot, and I think the only

900
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: thing that drives him is maybe winning one more And

901
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 1: I could see him literally doing Pete Sampras and dropping

902
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 1: the mic and being like, I'm done. But having said that, Caitlin,

903
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 1: it's not that easy to win a Grand Slam anymore

904
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: when you're not even winning fucking matches at regular tournaments

905
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: in best of three sets against these guys. Come on,

906
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: do you think if he were going to win one

907
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: more Wimbledon Wimbledon? I think so. I think the clay

908
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: He sort of said it in the press conference. He's like,

909
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 1: you know, I'm hoping to obviously do well in France.

910
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: I don't know Verbet and what he said, but it

911
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: was sort of insinuated. Eh. I know I'm not playing

912
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: well enough on clay, but you know, he knows how

913
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: good it is on grass. He's a best grasscore player

914
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: and Wembledon champion over the last fifteen years. And the

915
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: guy that's beaten him twice in two finals is still there.

916
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: So is he going to get past him? I don't know,

917
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: but he's probably hoping that he has a great day

918
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: again like he did at the Olympics last year. And

919
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,439
Speaker 1: maybe maybe maybe, But I don't care who you are.

920
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: When the plaque starts getting on the brain and you're

921
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: not winning those matches, it gets harder and harder.

922
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, one week's time will be the beginning of REALM

923
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 2: brings back with it Yannick center Chao yah, Nick Yannick.

924
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 2: Let's see what that ends up being. There's already a

925
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: lot of press. He's gotten some shoutouts in Berg today.

926
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 2: Everyone's sort of allies on. I mean, thankfully he's back, Like, honestly,

927
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 2: you're excited for me to be back.

928
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 1: I'm happy he's back. It's shit that he was put

929
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: away for three months because come on, you guys know

930
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: how I feel about it.

931
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 2: We've talked about that before. But what we have not

932
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 2: yet talked about, which I would like to but I

933
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 2: am not yet prepared, is I think we should talk

934
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 2: about the Carlos Alcoraz documentary.

935
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: I have not seen it yet, but you will. I

936
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: will watch it. We did get asked about it on

937
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: Twitter on socials about what I thought about it, but

938
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it.

939
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 2: I would love for us to have a discussion involving

940
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 2: the audience. So if you watch it, okay and you

941
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 2: have thoughts, questions, follow ups, concerns.

942
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: Some people have written me about it, so I'll put

943
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: a little list together.

944
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 2: Let's make a list and we'll do a Madrid rap

945
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 2: Italy preview and a Carlos Alcarez documentary. What I've seen

946
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 2: looks exciting. I'm excited to watch it. It looks interesting. Netflix

947
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 2: Spain did it.

948
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be interesting, and that's one of the that's

949
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: interesting of the Madrid on them, which is interesting.

950
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 2: Yes, Netflix Spain having done this as opposed to Netflix US.

951
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: Netflix US did breakpoint, and I suspect there's probably a

952
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 2: little bit of a directional artistic difference.

953
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, Okayflis.

954
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 2: Did an Argentina documentary a couple next with Netflix. Argentina

955
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 2: did a documentary a couple of years ago about the

956
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 2: famous tennis player who never got to number one, who

957
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: maybe should have from Argentina, and it was it was

958
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: better than I can't remember his name, which is why

959
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: I'm not mentioning it. But it was better than things

960
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,479
Speaker 2: that I've seen out of Netflix US always like Yama villasms.

961
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 2: Oh wow, he never got to number one, right wow?

962
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 2: He was like Ruffa before Ruffa. Right, so he was

963
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: just good on stories that are not so obvious. I

964
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 2: think maybe Netflix US, certainly the Box of Box production

965
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 2: was super corporate and not very good.

966
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: So maybe this will be well, we'll see, we will cry.

967
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: I know there's a lot more questions. I'll get to

968
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: you back to you Ale on socials and answer them

969
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: as much as I can, but we've only got so

970
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: much time to talk about stuff. Who do you think

971
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: Caitlin before you leave is going to win Madrid Men's

972
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: and Women's.

973
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: Why don't we just go with Coco go off? Oh well,

974
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 2: I kind of love for Coco to win it. Okay,

975
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: all right, Coco and Men's. I am tempted to say

976
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: something kind of crazy. Both of these would be crazy.

977
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 2: So I'm going to take as my answer, what about

978
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 2: Kaylor Fritz klalor Fritz.

979
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think that's a bad choice. Actually, there,

980
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 1: Madrid is a good, big service. Do well. No Carlos

981
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: because he pulled out right because of the injury. Hopefully

982
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: he's okay going into Fritz. I've got two Americans. I'm

983
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: just gonna leave it with that.

984
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say all right, I'm not going

985
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: to say, well, see how I said back, see how

986
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 2: you did.

987
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: But anyway, all right, everyone, thanks for joining us today

988
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 1: on the outskirts of my apartment. We have been enjoying

989
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: the sun.

990
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 2: Bye bye,