Speaker 1: Look man, oh I see you? Why why? And look
Speaker 1: over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, culture Resta's calling.
Speaker 1: This one takes me all the way back. This one.
Speaker 1: We're about to unlock some memories. A Loha mora, I
Speaker 1: say the girls might as well be saying aloha mora,
Speaker 1: because when it comes to unlocking memories, we're casting the spells.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Harry Potter. Let's have the referendum right here,
Speaker 1: right now on Harry Potter, yes or no, right now
Speaker 1: in the next three minutes, we're going to decide the
Speaker 1: fate of Harry Potter and the culture going forward, and
Speaker 1: it has to happen here on Lost Cultures. It is
Speaker 1: a classic example of person who was able to like
Speaker 1: fictionalize morality in such a way that um, they lost
Speaker 1: touch with their own moral that's internally after getting massive wealth.
Speaker 1: Where is the movie about that? Do we even want
Speaker 1: to see it? I think the biopic of J. K
Speaker 1: Rowling already exists, and it is Tracy almand as Renee's
Speaker 1: larger play J. K Rowling. It is the iconic sketch
Speaker 1: of all time. It really is so good and also
Speaker 1: it's like so Tracy Elman plays Rene's Lager, and she's
Speaker 1: doing an insane Rene's Lager, and then she does Renee's
Speaker 1: Elwager as J. K Rowling. It's a really good impression
Speaker 1: of what you think Rene's lager would be as J.
Speaker 1: K Rowling's levels to this ship. Anyway, that's my little
Speaker 1: cursory assessment of the culture for Harry Potter at this time,
Speaker 1: and I'm happy you were the final voice on it
Speaker 1: because now there's no more discussion to be had. Actually,
Speaker 1: there is a little one last thing before we move on.
Speaker 1: There's this game called, Oh, is it like Hogwarts. It's
Speaker 1: called History. No, it's called Hogwarts Legacy. Oh, it's like
Speaker 1: Roney Legacy. It's not Roney Legacy. It's it's Hogwarts Legacy.
Speaker 1: It's a prequel that place decades before Harry Potter steps
Speaker 1: onto the world stage The Boy Who Lived. But it's
Speaker 1: Hogwarts like in the fifties, sixties, seventies, I want to say,
Speaker 1: somewhere in that time. But it's open world, which means
Speaker 1: you can like literally go in any direction and there's
Speaker 1: you can engage with the world. This game hasn't been
Speaker 1: in development for years, and they keep rolling out these
Speaker 1: videos and I gotta say, I'm like annoyed. I'm annoyed
Speaker 1: at the way these developers are sounding so smug and
Speaker 1: proud of this game that like is truly probably gonna
Speaker 1: be bad. I'm gonna I'm gonna say on this podcast,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play this game, but I'm not gonna like it.
Speaker 1: But it's only because I have a deep sentimental connection
Speaker 1: to the Harry Potter video games on PC. I'm start
Speaker 1: I'm getting so grand are but you're also very You're
Speaker 1: you're really active on video games right now because you
Speaker 1: were deep in your Pokemon and you are some mother
Speaker 1: for that. You are so mother for that and named
Speaker 1: my character mother of course. Um I just come up
Speaker 1: with the Housewives taifine for Harry Potter. Do you want
Speaker 1: to hear it? Yeah? I might be the boy who lived,
Speaker 1: but now I'm the man who's living. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: here's one for Ron Weasley. Will be your side kick,
Speaker 1: but I will not be your side piece. Whose side
Speaker 1: piece was? But he's just I don't know, but this
Speaker 1: is like in a world where he's someone's side piece.
Speaker 1: What's good for Hermione? I got brains and beauty and
Speaker 1: that's more than I can say for you. Yeah, that's good,
Speaker 1: sort of, that's really good. No, that's really good. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to think. Um, Draco Mouthoy called me a mud blood,
Speaker 1: but he's the one wh will be spilling blood. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's so mean. Bow, you're gonna kill him. What's a
Speaker 1: good one for Baltimore? And then we'll bring in the guests? Mmmmmmmmm.
Speaker 1: I don't think it deserves you know what, Baltimore doesn't
Speaker 1: even deserve a Housewives tap fine, and that's actually culture
Speaker 1: number ten. Baltimore doesn't even deserve. Did you see that?
Speaker 1: It happens? Rape fines did as more at Lisa Barlow.
Speaker 1: She talked half of New York. It was excellent. It
Speaker 1: was excellent. Our guest is clutching her double palming her mound.
Speaker 1: She has not moved from the stands, and it's so
Speaker 1: her like essential gesture, it's so her essence. Readers, we've
Speaker 1: known this person for over ten years now, wild, isn't
Speaker 1: it wild to think of it that way? Yes? And
Speaker 1: I've since the first day I ever met her. I thought, well,
Speaker 1: that's obviously one of the most talented people I've star
Speaker 1: so cut to now I can't believe this. The Oscar buzz.
Speaker 1: She just covered her face, but come on, bitch, you
Speaker 1: know what the fun is happening. I so I didn't
Speaker 1: realize this, but I go on the site, you know,
Speaker 1: the sites, the sites, and we're seeing her name constantly predicted.
Speaker 1: I was like, stuh, Like it's obviously deserving, but it's
Speaker 1: just crazy to see your friend listed there. And I've
Speaker 1: experienced this with you well, and and look where that
Speaker 1: got us nowhere what to several nominations? Shut up? Can
Speaker 1: I say something right now? Shut up? You're right, You're
Speaker 1: so right. Everything everywhere you've seen it by now, surely
Speaker 1: you've seen it. And I'm saying I'm saying to the reader,
Speaker 1: I saw it three times? You did? I saw it
Speaker 1: grading that Daniels happened to be in town. We got
Speaker 1: a lovely breakfast. It wasn't even one of those Hollywood
Speaker 1: things where I was like, I would love to be
Speaker 1: in your next project. It was literally me being like
Speaker 1: I need to process this with you, like this wasn't
Speaker 1: This was one of my favorite movies of all time.
Speaker 1: I still believe this to be true. What a great
Speaker 1: year for movies. I am gonna say, really a good
Speaker 1: strong year. And I will say this, out of everything
Speaker 1: I've seen so far this year, and I have seen everything,
Speaker 1: but out of everything I've seen so far this year,
Speaker 1: like just involuntarily and suddenly moved too intense state of weeping.
Speaker 1: And I'm talking about the scene where Kiwa Kwan is like,
Speaker 1: you have to be kind when when he said you
Speaker 1: have to be kind bowen, I swear to God, Like
Speaker 1: either way, I was sobbing in a mess. You have
Speaker 1: not experienced impact, emotional impact in your life anything like
Speaker 1: being a queer Asian person watching this movie and seeing
Speaker 1: the scene in the parking lot just or just the
Speaker 1: whole thing just is so it's just so perfect and
Speaker 1: oh my god, we've already gotten to tell our friend
Speaker 1: our guests how proud we are, how in all we are.
Speaker 1: I mean I was like always, not just always, but
Speaker 1: there was something so powerful special about watching her walk
Speaker 1: down this hallway in all these different outfit changes while
Speaker 1: the lights flicker, and I'm like, holy shit, I know
Speaker 1: that person. Well it's not even that, it's like whoever
Speaker 1: this person is, she is like the fucking villain of
Speaker 1: this and she's a fucking megastar, mega star to say
Speaker 1: nothing of like the fact that like this is this
Speaker 1: is someone who we love. Yes, it's also the most
Speaker 1: Steph Shoe movie of all time and I have to
Speaker 1: say so many things to her about it. And we
Speaker 1: got a fact is we're going to get the opportunities too.
Speaker 1: Right now, Please welcome finally to Lost Culture. Is this
Speaker 1: podcast the one the only study ship? Take your hands
Speaker 1: off your mouth? Oh my god, you guys. I really yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been clutching my face because I'm smiling so big
Speaker 1: and just giggling. And honestly, when I listened to this
Speaker 1: podcast when I'm on like long drives or whatever, like
Speaker 1: those motherfuckers my friends just giggling and I don't know
Speaker 1: how y'all are so witty. I just don't even know.
Speaker 1: I love. My year was running into you with the
Speaker 1: damn Clark Street Diner where everything was amazing. People name
Speaker 1: drop you guys to me, not knowing that we know
Speaker 1: each other, and it makes me feel hot inside, like
Speaker 1: it's sexy. You know, I'm like, oh, you mean Matt,
Speaker 1: Matt Roger's Long Island's very own. Also, I not to
Speaker 1: call you out, but your Long Island really came out
Speaker 1: and j K Rowling, I don't know what it is,
Speaker 1: but there was something about how you were saying, Rowling, Rowling,
Speaker 1: you have the ear for absence. This has always been
Speaker 1: true in the air for everything, and that's can I say.
Speaker 1: When I watched this movie Everything Everywhere all at once
Speaker 1: and there was the whole thing about the bagel, putting
Speaker 1: everything on a bagel, I'm like, if that isn't stuff shoe,
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is like when you read
Speaker 1: this script where you're not like, holy fuck, like it
Speaker 1: must have been like insane Terita and be like, because
Speaker 1: you so spiritually are this movie, yeah, well, you know
Speaker 1: it's funny. I've had a lot of people like ex partners,
Speaker 1: specifically will you come out of the woodwork, And they've
Speaker 1: been like, this movie is so your essence, and it
Speaker 1: does make me feel quite seen. When I first met
Speaker 1: the Daniels on Norah's show at Bowen's Show Aguafine is
Speaker 1: More from Queen's, I felt like I met soulmates um,
Speaker 1: and I think so when I read the script for
Speaker 1: Everything Everywhere, it just it did really click. And recently
Speaker 1: the Daniels Um we were at this like film festival
Speaker 1: and they showed my audition clip. It's really smash it really,
Speaker 1: They asked me beforehand, and I said, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to watch it because I want to be surprised. It
Speaker 1: just don't make me look bad, you know. But what
Speaker 1: was so crazy was when I watched it was the
Speaker 1: big goal introduction monologue, and I the first thing I
Speaker 1: said after I saw it in a public space, I
Speaker 1: was like, I really got this movie. I don't know
Speaker 1: why I really understood it. It's probably not coincidental. No,
Speaker 1: it feels very This movie has a lot of um
Speaker 1: Key's wife, Echo is our was our translator. She's amazing
Speaker 1: and she after our first table read, she said, you know,
Speaker 1: this script has a very strong soul and it has
Speaker 1: gathered all the souls and like minded souls to tell
Speaker 1: it okay, um okay, Hello. It's also reached a lot
Speaker 1: of souls. I can't think of a movie like this
Speaker 1: um in recent memory, and I don't. I guess I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not the biggest and if I don't have the
Speaker 1: context for it. But like, I feel like there hasn't
Speaker 1: been a movie like this where like people really there's
Speaker 1: there's a pretty universal everyone's on the same page about this.
Speaker 1: I mean, even people who hate it. I feel like
Speaker 1: understand what it's trying to do and can appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I had. There was a man who came up to
Speaker 1: me in Nappa. I was, okay, you know this is
Speaker 1: for the fans, um, this is the tone of the podcast. Um.
Speaker 1: But it was at Nappa Film Festival, and this man
Speaker 1: came up to me after the screening and he's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I love you and marvelous Mrs Masiel. But
Speaker 1: I gotta say, as a as a older white man,
Speaker 1: you know that was hard for me. That was I
Speaker 1: really I just couldn't wait to get out. And then
Speaker 1: he said, but you know, my wife's Filipino, so there's that.
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, thank you for being honest,
Speaker 1: and it's okay, Like not everything is supposed to be
Speaker 1: for everybody, um, and yet we're the one And then
Speaker 1: yet were supposedly like we're the kinds of people who
Speaker 1: are like obsessed with identity politics. But meanwhile this guy
Speaker 1: is leading with my wife's Philip. Yeah. Also, like if
Speaker 1: I hear like a criticism of the movie from people,
Speaker 1: it's that it's a lot, right, But then also that's
Speaker 1: like intrinsically what the point is it is about? Like
Speaker 1: finding something very simple in the volume, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, that's what I loved about it so much.
Speaker 1: And we had Michelle on the podcast, which was such
Speaker 1: an honor, I mean, and like we'll get into what
Speaker 1: it was like to you know, work with her. But
Speaker 1: I think that that's something that, especially the second time
Speaker 1: I watched it, not on the edible, I was able
Speaker 1: to really find what's like, Wow, really, what this is
Speaker 1: is a very simple story about family and love. And
Speaker 1: I think that the sort of like I guess if
Speaker 1: there's a metaphor is that it can feel like there's
Speaker 1: a lot more, but really what's actually important is very simple,
Speaker 1: and it's about love and connection and this is a
Speaker 1: story about family and specifically in any way is finding
Speaker 1: each other again through so much change, which can feel
Speaker 1: very loud. I don't know if that's like me being
Speaker 1: simplistic about it, Yes, totally, And I mean this has
Speaker 1: been a really freaking crazy year, but I feel I
Speaker 1: couldn't like shake hands with Hollywood in any more honest
Speaker 1: of a way because this is so much you know,
Speaker 1: this is I do want movies like this to exist
Speaker 1: and I and I feel it's been really healing actually
Speaker 1: to see that it works, or that people still have
Speaker 1: room to be surprised or show up to a movie theater,
Speaker 1: leave their house gathered together, or you know, have a
Speaker 1: cultural moment together in a time when you know we're
Speaker 1: so inundated. So you know how I've always been up
Speaker 1: been like you know, the business wants me, but I
Speaker 1: don't know if I want it. But that's very real though.
Speaker 1: I Mean that's my thing with step is like it
Speaker 1: really has always felt like you don't give a funk
Speaker 1: about this, like in a real way, like really refreshing. Thanks.
Speaker 1: I think you were very much a role model, even
Speaker 1: though we're like all on the same cohort. Like Steph
Speaker 1: was someone who reader probably like keyed into something like
Speaker 1: was getting a lot of great opportunities and really meeting
Speaker 1: the occasion, rising to the occasion always obviously um, but
Speaker 1: it was so refreshing to like from afar or check
Speaker 1: in with you, and you'd always be like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know, like this isn't all it's cracked up to be.
Speaker 1: But that wasn't like withered or like cynical. It was
Speaker 1: just like I know my boundaries so well. I'm such
Speaker 1: a defined person within myself and like that is a
Speaker 1: that is a special thing. But it's so cool to
Speaker 1: so you keep that and like that's so, that's so
Speaker 1: beautiful that you say that you couldn't have asked to
Speaker 1: shake hands with Hollywood in a more honest way, because
Speaker 1: not everybody gets that. People shake hands with HOLLYO for
Speaker 1: the first time in ways that are very cloaked in
Speaker 1: a lot of bullshit. Yeah, totally. Also for the listeners,
Speaker 1: nobody knows that. Well maybe they do, I don't know. Well,
Speaker 1: we all went to college together. Yeah, well we made
Speaker 1: a big trust me when we saw the movie. We
Speaker 1: made a huge deal about the fact that you were
Speaker 1: so well, no I heard you roasted me. I's because
Speaker 1: Mama did not respond to a text for like four hours.
Speaker 1: But that's going to be my cultural moment that oh,
Speaker 1: we'll put a pin in it. Well put but I
Speaker 1: just want to say, like I'm kind of cloaked in
Speaker 1: darkness right now, so you can't see the tears that's eyes.
Speaker 1: But Steph, I'm literally just I'm And this is what
Speaker 1: I mean by like, you've always like known what to
Speaker 1: do for you and you've always like really followed like
Speaker 1: what your spirit was telling you to do. Because do
Speaker 1: you remember, do you remember when we had lunch in
Speaker 1: Hayden Hall, And so I was the director of hammer
Speaker 1: Cats and you were in the sketch group of Hammercats
Speaker 1: with me, and you wanted to get lunch with me,
Speaker 1: and you were telling me that you were gonna step
Speaker 1: away from the group because you wanted to do a
Speaker 1: different type of thing. And I was, of course disappointed
Speaker 1: that you would leave the group because you were always
Speaker 1: so much fun to be around and you always like
Speaker 1: killed everything and you were my friend. But then we
Speaker 1: actually got into a discussion about like, you know, what
Speaker 1: it is we wanted in life. And I remember like
Speaker 1: like it was like involuntary, but I like really I
Speaker 1: like broke down at that lunch and you said something
Speaker 1: to me that I always remember, and you said, you
Speaker 1: know it hurts so much because you know you can
Speaker 1: do it. And I was like, I I you said that,
Speaker 1: and I always I always remembered that, and so like yeah,
Speaker 1: and so just like you know, having like you, someone
Speaker 1: so talented that I believed in so much to like
Speaker 1: sort of tell me that you believed in me was
Speaker 1: like very very important to me, and so like it's
Speaker 1: not a surprise to me, and I actually feel very
Speaker 1: like emotional right now, like as we're all doing like
Speaker 1: quote unquote, well, but are also very happy and fulfilled
Speaker 1: in the things that we're doing. That that's true because
Speaker 1: you know, it's not true for everybody, and so I
Speaker 1: am just so proud of you. When I'm so excited
Speaker 1: for you, I can't believed. I know, I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's just a lot going on. I mean,
Speaker 1: both of you. I mean, that's the thing. Did you
Speaker 1: just say there's a lot going well? I just really
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on. Like I've also i mean
Speaker 1: we haven't gotten into it yet, but I've also been
Speaker 1: thinking about Lise a lot. Oh, let's wade us. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I was reflecting on this too. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, before we even get into all that stuff,
Speaker 1: I just have to say, y'all, both of you are
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm getting emotional. You two have always
Speaker 1: been the hardest working people. I know, seriously, Like I
Speaker 1: just remember, you know, we were romping around skid More.
Speaker 1: We're not we were all such a messy, messy horse
Speaker 1: that was there that bored this way by Lady Gaga came,
Speaker 1: you know, but letting everyone know that because he came
Speaker 1: out of the fst of all that was the year
Speaker 1: before you did come out of the ski more was.
Speaker 1: But but you too. Seriously, I mean to see both
Speaker 1: of you rise, but also rise together and a part
Speaker 1: has been so inspiring. And I feel like you two
Speaker 1: actually because I think, honestly, some some of my distance
Speaker 1: from the industry, I think growing up was because I
Speaker 1: just never saw a place for myself in it. And
Speaker 1: so I think that right now, I'm I'm going through
Speaker 1: this moment where I feel like I actually have dreams
Speaker 1: for the first time for myself, and you know, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh man, this is really possible. And in so many ways,
Speaker 1: I actually think I didn't necessarily really I believed in
Speaker 1: myself as a human and as a soul on this planet,
Speaker 1: but I didn't necessarily believe in myself as an artist
Speaker 1: in the world. Um. And I feel like you two,
Speaker 1: from the very beginning have always seen what I couldn't
Speaker 1: even see in myself. And I also saw in both
Speaker 1: of you how hard you worked because you loved the
Speaker 1: thing that you do and you just defied all odds
Speaker 1: time and time again, and it's just crazy, like it's
Speaker 1: just so crazy and also not crazy to see both
Speaker 1: of you where you are and you make it seem
Speaker 1: so easy. But nobody knows the Matt Rogers in college
Speaker 1: who was cranking out new pages every single week for
Speaker 1: Catch group, like nobody's business. You have always been prolific
Speaker 1: in a way that I just uh is beyond me.
Speaker 1: So well. I did want to mention one thing, which
Speaker 1: was bo and I've told you this, but like I
Speaker 1: feel like I haven't gotten to say this stuff yet.
Speaker 1: But the original everything everywhere, all at once was a
Speaker 1: sketch I wrote for Stephanie, which was do you remember Flower?
Speaker 1: I will never forget Florida everything for me, So that
Speaker 1: there was a sketch that we did. It was it
Speaker 1: was me frantically looking at looking for my son. So
Speaker 1: it was like it was like me, this is of everything,
Speaker 1: every all at once, and I think we did it
Speaker 1: with Jack Quaid to like I think David Sitarov would
Speaker 1: did it, and then we did it with Jack later.
Speaker 1: But um, it was like it was like me friendly
Speaker 1: looking for my son and describing my son, and my
Speaker 1: son was like all genders, all heights, all weights, all races,
Speaker 1: all things, and then like and like I had different
Speaker 1: traits and stuff, and he was like the person was like, what,
Speaker 1: like describe your son, like we can't find him if
Speaker 1: your son is not everything. And then Steph walked in
Speaker 1: like like literally just like as Large, which was the
Speaker 1: name of this child. But she had like one long
Speaker 1: arm and a good titty on her head and like
Speaker 1: you know, at least things like every prop in the closet,
Speaker 1: and she was like she just made this like weird
Speaker 1: Steph noise, and but that was the original everything everywhere,
Speaker 1: all was everything, everywhere, all was Yeah, really, I'm Matt.
Speaker 1: Matt wrote for me not only flowered but also moose.
Speaker 1: So I don't know which bone is in that videos. No, No,
Speaker 1: that's already you're being gst towards Asians. And who is
Speaker 1: like in Brooklyn, who's still like hanging out? Well, we
Speaker 1: had some fun folks. I just got copy with my
Speaker 1: expense the other week, and it was just we picked
Speaker 1: up as if we had never picked up right where
Speaker 1: we left off, and it had been years since I
Speaker 1: had seen it in person, and it was just a
Speaker 1: moment of like, wow, this is like this is an
Speaker 1: important time in our lives and I'm glad that like
Speaker 1: and I did express him. I was like, I do
Speaker 1: have some guilt every now and then of like not
Speaker 1: keeping up enough, and you don't neither of you need
Speaker 1: to like affirm this or be like yeah, me too,
Speaker 1: but like I feel like I've sort of like done
Speaker 1: a bad job of like done a bad drop up.
Speaker 1: I just I have not like, man, those relationships are
Speaker 1: like cultivated them in a way that like I've not
Speaker 1: watered them in a way that they deserve watering, because
Speaker 1: those are those are people who really were your support
Speaker 1: system in that time, helped you along the way, taught
Speaker 1: you things you didn't you didn't know before. I love
Speaker 1: those people. I actually I was just literally having that
Speaker 1: thought while I was driving here and because I was
Speaker 1: thinking about what my cultural rant was going to be.
Speaker 1: But I think, you know, it's hard to keep up
Speaker 1: with people, and we're inundated with information and our thumbs
Speaker 1: can only do so much, and there's only enough hours
Speaker 1: in the day. And I try to be gentle with
Speaker 1: myself because there are so many people that I love
Speaker 1: so deeply, and I wish sometimes, I guess this is
Speaker 1: what reunions are for, but I wish sometimes you could
Speaker 1: just be in a space together and really dive deep
Speaker 1: because how are you gonna I'm not like a when
Speaker 1: people ask me how are you on a text message,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't I get stressed. I do. I
Speaker 1: get stressed because I want to be so it is.
Speaker 1: I want to be thoughtful in my answer, and I
Speaker 1: also want to hold space for the other person's answer.
Speaker 1: So if I don't have like so I know because
Speaker 1: I probably asked, like what's going on, she's like, how
Speaker 1: do I where do I go on? How are you
Speaker 1: doing with because the movie is something that you guys
Speaker 1: shot in before the pandemic, it comes out and you're
Speaker 1: basically doing some version of campaigning will call it until
Speaker 1: for the rest of Awards season, Like this is a lot.
Speaker 1: Because I was thinking about this, I'm like, I wonder
Speaker 1: how stuff feels about this in terms of talking about
Speaker 1: the maybe thinking at the movie. I'm sure it's like
Speaker 1: incredible as an experience, but also like I don't know
Speaker 1: how you feel mad, but I feel like the whole
Speaker 1: cycle of Fire Island coming out is like a distant dream.
Speaker 1: It's so far away in my past and yet like
Speaker 1: for depending on the project for something like this, for
Speaker 1: you step, it's like you are really sitting in this
Speaker 1: for like a pretty long amount of time. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: been honestly a roller coaster. And I remember Jamie Lee
Speaker 1: Curtis said to me after she saw it for the
Speaker 1: first time when we were all at south By Southwest.
Speaker 1: She was she like clutched me by the shoulders, and
Speaker 1: I was like, just stay centered and um, this is
Speaker 1: going to be a mind fuck and a wild ride
Speaker 1: for you. And I was like, Jamie, I'm a grown
Speaker 1: ass woman, Like, listen first, this is on my first rodeo. Also,
Speaker 1: I was on my whale. I was on my whale.
Speaker 1: I was on my way to go reunite with three
Speaker 1: of my best friends that I hadn't seen because of
Speaker 1: the pandemic, and we were going to go watch whales
Speaker 1: give birth and migrate north. And she was like, I'm
Speaker 1: so happy You're going to be with whales. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I me too, And and you're going to be with
Speaker 1: the whales also feels like the most Jamie Lee Curtis thing.
Speaker 1: It is. Yeah, um, but I had no idea what
Speaker 1: she meant. And I honestly, as as centered as I
Speaker 1: do feel, there's been a lot of whiplash, Like the
Speaker 1: highs are high, the lows are low. It makes you
Speaker 1: it's just confusing, um and I feel like it's a
Speaker 1: hard thing that not a lot of people relate to. Also,
Speaker 1: of just um having a pop off moment, I will
Speaker 1: say that I was surprised when it there was a
Speaker 1: recent moment. I was filming in Australia and it's a
Speaker 1: crazy time difference, and it was the first time that
Speaker 1: I've been actually completely alone for the last year, and like,
Speaker 1: the time difference is so crazy. So when I'm awake,
Speaker 1: everybody's sleeping, so I couldn't even work during the day
Speaker 1: because everybody's paused. And and I think I was having
Speaker 1: a whiplash of I've been going and going and going,
Speaker 1: and it finally just stopped and I hit like a
Speaker 1: I got really sad. I got really sad actually, and um,
Speaker 1: I had to Hey, I'm glad that I hit that
Speaker 1: moment because I've had to zoom. I've been able to
Speaker 1: zoom out and understand the longevity of this film is
Speaker 1: so much more. I'm speaking really abstractly. No, we're with you,
Speaker 1: We're with you. Yeah, I just you know this ship
Speaker 1: some I had a driver call it Holly weird and
Speaker 1: Holly weird. It's holly weird, and you know, I it
Speaker 1: affects you, and I have been affective. Not everything, not
Speaker 1: any element of it is what you think of it's
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, like you see the
Speaker 1: business element of it and like the promotional element of it,
Speaker 1: and it can be fun, but it's also exhausting, and
Speaker 1: you also can buy into it. And then when it's gone,
Speaker 1: it's like, whoa wait, Well that was like that's a
Speaker 1: thing where I you know, I've never cared about any
Speaker 1: of this stuff, and I I obviously am receiving a
Speaker 1: lot of attention and affirmation right now, and at the
Speaker 1: same time, I can feel that this will eventually go away,
Speaker 1: like you're hot, you're hot, and then you're not for
Speaker 1: a second, right whatever until the next thing. But in
Speaker 1: some ways I was like, oh my god. On the
Speaker 1: other side of this also, I just didn't ever want
Speaker 1: to feel tossed aside. But that's because I it got
Speaker 1: to me, do you know what I'm saying? Like I
Speaker 1: wasn't able to just see the big picture and feel
Speaker 1: centered in myself and understand that it really is just
Speaker 1: about the work and continuing to do good work that
Speaker 1: you believe in and putting it out there. There was
Speaker 1: something in the frenzy that really started to catch up
Speaker 1: to me that I I was like on the wave
Speaker 1: and I I, yeah, I don't know how else to
Speaker 1: describe it. Um. Yeah. Betty Gilbin was on the podcast basently,
Speaker 1: and she described what I think we're talking about is
Speaker 1: the metaphor was that part in a Laddin where he's
Speaker 1: in the Cave of Wonder and they're like, you can't
Speaker 1: touch anything except the lamp. Don't touch any of the diamonds,
Speaker 1: the jewels, the coins, any of that. And that's kind
Speaker 1: of what this time in your life might feel like,
Speaker 1: where it's like there's all the stuff around you and
Speaker 1: all you your only job is to like go towards
Speaker 1: the lamp. But I feel like you you've always known
Speaker 1: what your lamp is, and you've always kind of had
Speaker 1: it in the palm of your hand. Sometimes I feel
Speaker 1: like I my lamp. I don't have no idea what
Speaker 1: my lamp looks like. I don't know where it is,
Speaker 1: I don't know how I'm going to get it, but
Speaker 1: I'm constantly touching coins and pearls and diamonds. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I feel like I am in this zone now where
Speaker 1: I'm kind of losing the thread a little bit, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I totally related to what you're saying. You know,
Speaker 1: I read this piece. I've been really into reading um
Speaker 1: up ed pieces or interviews with actors, and I've never
Speaker 1: been like this, but I have been just so desperate
Speaker 1: to understand this moment that I'm going through and and
Speaker 1: hear from other people what their journey has been like.
Speaker 1: And I remember reading a piece in the l A
Speaker 1: Times um on Brad Pitt and he said something along
Speaker 1: the lines of he got to a point where so
Speaker 1: many people were telling him what he wanted that he
Speaker 1: didn't even know what he wanted anymore. And I read that,
Speaker 1: you know, like earlier this year, maybe in March or something.
Speaker 1: And I've just really been thinking about that where I
Speaker 1: have to constantly check in with myself and make sure
Speaker 1: I'm just checking in and asking myself what I want.
Speaker 1: And you know, there's a lot of noise, and it's
Speaker 1: a whole fun Babylonian show, but you take what is
Speaker 1: right for you and then you you don't have to
Speaker 1: take anything else. Yeah, And also like I think it
Speaker 1: can be fun if you just keep telling yourself, like,
Speaker 1: don't take it too seriously, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like and and ultimately what is so great about this
Speaker 1: is everything everywhere at once for the rest of the year,
Speaker 1: the rest of the quote unquote season is going to
Speaker 1: do great. And just the fact that it's in the
Speaker 1: conversation so much already says and shows how much people
Speaker 1: have connected to this as a piece of art because
Speaker 1: it has made people feel a certain way, And ultimately
Speaker 1: is the thing that's at the kernel, at the center
Speaker 1: of all of this stuff that is really cool for
Speaker 1: you to be able to have and can maybe be
Speaker 1: the lamp, which is that this piece of art that
Speaker 1: you created is actually not only so steff, but also
Speaker 1: so universal and so moving, so much so that multiple
Speaker 1: people that I've talked to have seen it more than once.
Speaker 1: It has done incredibly well at the box office in
Speaker 1: a year where a lot has not, especially a lot
Speaker 1: of like you know, lower budget things or however you
Speaker 1: want to call it, like smaller scale things. That is
Speaker 1: a huge triumph in a in a time of the pandemic,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so there are so
Speaker 1: many narratives like outside of the self that you can
Speaker 1: like lean on and let guide you for however long,
Speaker 1: like this process lasts. And it's just that is a
Speaker 1: really cool thing because not everyone gets to talk about
Speaker 1: stuff with with passion. You know. I was talking to
Speaker 1: like this girl Jessica who does my hair and makeup
Speaker 1: for some events, and she tells me that she works no, no,
Speaker 1: she's she literally was looking at my face. She says,
Speaker 1: I hate this, she's she's the best, and but she
Speaker 1: works with a lot of these actors. And I was like, god, like,
Speaker 1: I've been really lucky this year, like everything I've talked
Speaker 1: about like genuinely love and she goes, oh, yeah, that
Speaker 1: is not the case a lot of the time, Like
Speaker 1: it's a lot to out there and sound effusive about
Speaker 1: things that are a you know, bad, or be things
Speaker 1: that you didn't have a good experience on or see
Speaker 1: with people you fucking hate totally, because that happens all
Speaker 1: the time. I know, I've been just feeling grateful. I'm
Speaker 1: fully like leaning in now. I'm just I'm leaning in
Speaker 1: and having fun. I'm soaking it up when people come
Speaker 1: up to me and they say thank you so much.
Speaker 1: This movie meant so much to me. I'm really practicing
Speaker 1: receiving it all the way to the bottom of my
Speaker 1: heart and say like, oh, this person is also trying
Speaker 1: to give me something, So don't deflect it or don't
Speaker 1: be like, oh, yeah, that's crazy. Really hold it someone,
Speaker 1: someone's trying to tell you that art that you made
Speaker 1: that you are a part of, or something you express
Speaker 1: change them. So hold that for them, and hold and
Speaker 1: hold that for yourself. But yeah, I'm like so freaking
Speaker 1: lucky that I love my cast I'm so close with
Speaker 1: the Daniels. We have text threats, you know. I'm genuinely
Speaker 1: excited to see them at these events that are can
Speaker 1: be nerve racking sometimes and it just feels like I
Speaker 1: get to spend time with people I love and celebrate
Speaker 1: this thing that I really believe in, and so be it.
Speaker 1: When will I ever get it again? Who knows? What
Speaker 1: is an interaction between Steph Shoe and Jamie Lee Curtis,
Speaker 1: Like she's so amazing. She's just she walks into every
Speaker 1: room just completely owns it. I don't even know how.
Speaker 1: She just has no fear. She seems fearless and everything
Speaker 1: that she is and that she does, and it's really inspiring.
Speaker 1: She hates staying out late. So we were just texting
Speaker 1: because the Governor's Awards are tomorrow, and we were all like,
Speaker 1: we're so excited to see each other. And she's like,
Speaker 1: just to let you know I'm gonna be there and
Speaker 1: I will quickly leave because I just can't do late
Speaker 1: nights and I have to wake up early tomorrow for work.
Speaker 1: And she just has, i mean talk about boundaries. She's
Speaker 1: just just yeah, yeah, and it's awesome. She's like, I can,
Speaker 1: I can show up. I'm going to do that. That's
Speaker 1: work too, and I'm happy to see everyone and then
Speaker 1: I don't need to do the whole party. She knows
Speaker 1: why she's going. She knows exactly why. Yeah. Yeah, she's
Speaker 1: so powerful. And you guys love Instagram. Y. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think most of us are going. There's still some TBD.
Speaker 1: Are you going to be there? We're going to be
Speaker 1: there for Fire Islands. Were Fire Islands actually getting the
Speaker 1: Ensemble Award? Yeah? That's amazing. That very nice to them.
Speaker 1: Can you guess what my favorite scene in that movie is?
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, what's the what's the most Steff see Fire Islands?
Speaker 1: The most stuff seen on Fire Island? Is it the
Speaker 1: heads up seed? No? Is it James Scullion Bowen at
Speaker 1: the end because that's my favorite scene. I love that
Speaker 1: scene also, but but it's earlier on. Is it everyone
Speaker 1: dancing in the dock? It's doc related. Oh, it's a
Speaker 1: scene in silhouette. Yes, yes, you're in silhouette. You're getting
Speaker 1: invited to the party. You walk from the dock over
Speaker 1: to your friends to say you got invited to the party.
Speaker 1: Matt and all their friends got and then you you're
Speaker 1: like shut up or whatever, and then you walk slowly
Speaker 1: in silhouette over to the other boys. Again, that's in
Speaker 1: my top five two. It's a good scene. It's so
Speaker 1: well directed because Andrew gets the wide and it's a
Speaker 1: movie about group dynamics. It's a movie about the way
Speaker 1: people like are pulled in certain directions socially and so
Speaker 1: like it's just a perfect way of and like everyone's
Speaker 1: body language is so good. Like it says so much
Speaker 1: about each character, the way that they're situated and standing
Speaker 1: in their posture. It's it's a great direction, you know,
Speaker 1: Like that's Andrew on like him. You should work with
Speaker 1: Andrew where you got mad? You guys is mad? Oh,
Speaker 1: that's powerful. It was very hot. Just now was When
Speaker 1: Bowen said, you know, Andrew just gets the wide I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, cinephile, Okay, movie star, Oh my god, okay,
Speaker 1: Emmy nominee. Stop stop look at glowing No, it's the
Speaker 1: lighting to stop that at one star quality. Okay. So
Speaker 1: I want to transition into asking you the question, which
Speaker 1: is the central question of last culture? Wouldn't you agree about?
Speaker 1: I would agree, And we've gotten a little preview of this.
Speaker 1: This is going to be a very powerful answer. I
Speaker 1: think this is the question, what was the culture that
Speaker 1: made you say culture was for me? This is um
Speaker 1: the pop culture, the wider culture, the thing, the person
Speaker 1: that made you say I'm gonna move into a cultural direction.
Speaker 1: I I'm gonna cry because Matt's here too. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say it was this woman, Elizabeth Suados Liz
Speaker 1: suados Um. When we were in college, she directed this
Speaker 1: thing called the Reality Show, which brought together a bunch
Speaker 1: of students to write sketches and music for around mental
Speaker 1: health issues and also your first year of experience in college.
Speaker 1: Matt and I were both in it UM and I
Speaker 1: met her very or. I saw it my freshman year
Speaker 1: at welcome week, and I was like they were doing
Speaker 1: crazy things they were. They did a condom song and
Speaker 1: people were just being condoms on stage, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I want to do that. So I sought her out
Speaker 1: and she is an amazing person, and I think she
Speaker 1: taught me what it means to be an artist, which
Speaker 1: is to say that it is something you don't hold lightly.
Speaker 1: It's a responsibility and the essence of it, or the
Speaker 1: care that you must take with your art or give
Speaker 1: with your art, is to offer more goodness in the
Speaker 1: world and to bring healing. So every opportunity that you
Speaker 1: get to speak or that you get to make something,
Speaker 1: it should have the greater good in mind. And it
Speaker 1: doesn't mean it has to be precious. In fact, it
Speaker 1: should be shocking and subversive and wild and really say something.
Speaker 1: But complacency is just not an option. And yeah, she
Speaker 1: was my She was my mentor, as to so many
Speaker 1: of us. And all I've ever wanted was to help people,
Speaker 1: you know, and help myself move through this world in
Speaker 1: a way that's a little less confusing. And when art
Speaker 1: is able to do that, whether it's comedy or music
Speaker 1: or anything, it's just so healing. It's like you feel
Speaker 1: you understand what it means to be alive. You know,
Speaker 1: part of me still can't believe that she has passed away,
Speaker 1: because she really would enter an exit and re enter.
Speaker 1: I'm sure your life as well as UM creatively and
Speaker 1: Bowen actually got to know her a tiny little bit
Speaker 1: when you were going to do the Shanghai version of
Speaker 1: the show. I was. I didn't end up doing the show,
Speaker 1: but I was very lucky enough to just even be
Speaker 1: considered for it to to talk to Liz at that point,
Speaker 1: Like I had heard what a wonderful present she was,
Speaker 1: what an impactful person she was. I mean she I
Speaker 1: was like all my friends were saying, this woman isn't
Speaker 1: and she has an amazing sort of just her career
Speaker 1: was so prolific. So yeah, I didn't really get to
Speaker 1: interacted her too much, but you guys really got to
Speaker 1: know her well. She was an Obie Award winner and
Speaker 1: you know Tony nominated playwright for UM this show called
Speaker 1: The Runaways, which you know, people that are aware of
Speaker 1: and involved in theater that listened to the pod might remember.
Speaker 1: She actually discovered Diane Lane like she's got like a
Speaker 1: very very long She worked with Meryl Streep years and
Speaker 1: years ago. She worked with tons of people in the business,
Speaker 1: you know who shouted her out when she passed Lin
Speaker 1: Manuel Miranda um Like. She was a hugely influential person
Speaker 1: in the theatrical especially downtown New York theater community. And
Speaker 1: when she sort of spent her time at n y U,
Speaker 1: we were lucky enough to work with her. And I
Speaker 1: always look back at her like the way that I
Speaker 1: can distill it the most. She was the person who
Speaker 1: literally and figuratively taught me how to use my voice,
Speaker 1: because do you remember Steph Like the vocal exercises she
Speaker 1: would have us do just like these. She was very
Speaker 1: influenced by like um tribal music and like the way
Speaker 1: like tribal vocalization, and she would have us like essentially
Speaker 1: like have these guttural like shouting vocal like techniques that
Speaker 1: maybe we're not necessarily always vocally safe, but they were
Speaker 1: always taking some player somewhere, like Plair would take some
Speaker 1: player she and she would love that ship, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, some player. She would think that was
Speaker 1: like I have my special coming out. And I kept
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, like, like what would she say about
Speaker 1: I hope what she would say is that she would
Speaker 1: I hope that she would smile like her smile, and
Speaker 1: she would say, this is so stupid, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I just I think that's what she
Speaker 1: would say. And I always I loved impressing her, like
Speaker 1: I always loved coming in with my dumbest idea and
Speaker 1: my dumbest bit and her being like her smiling her
Speaker 1: iconic smile, with her mane of hair, and just like
Speaker 1: knowing that you had gotten something right because she really
Speaker 1: had a presence, you know, like she had the X factor, man.
Speaker 1: And you know, I remember that summer, Matt, and you
Speaker 1: really cracked open because I feel like you were you
Speaker 1: knew me in the sketch community, the sketch exactly, that
Speaker 1: that really did like something that was kind of the
Speaker 1: first time that you were performing outside of sketch right
Speaker 1: in in college. And I just remember that really that
Speaker 1: you're nervous, and you also really cracked open because you've
Speaker 1: got this incredible singing voice, but like you know, singing
Speaker 1: can be so nerve racking because you think you've got
Speaker 1: to do it a certain kind of way, and Liz
Speaker 1: completely scraps that, and I just remember this whole soul
Speaker 1: of an expressive being came out of you. And I
Speaker 1: think also, I remember, you know, the way that she
Speaker 1: does it, it gives you permission to take yourself and
Speaker 1: your work even more seriously, with more responsibility. Just like
Speaker 1: she encourages the funny, she wants things to be really
Speaker 1: freaking hilarious, but that they can also be about things.
Speaker 1: Um and uh. Actually the first time that she this
Speaker 1: is actually a full circle moment. But the first time
Speaker 1: we had a rehearsal together, we were sitting on the
Speaker 1: ground and she looks over at me. She she had
Speaker 1: braces at the time, and she's like, you remind me
Speaker 1: of someone I know, what's aim Margaret Chod. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think they worked together on some whatever something. Um. But
Speaker 1: I have a quote from her. I know you guys
Speaker 1: are going to edit this together, so who knows if
Speaker 1: this will make it, but I want to can I
Speaker 1: share it with you out? So? UM. I found this
Speaker 1: recently in my notes, which I don't use my phone,
Speaker 1: as you know, but this is in there, and this
Speaker 1: was set at her memorial and I guess I kept
Speaker 1: it in my phone because it's so powerful. This is
Speaker 1: a quote from Liz. We have to try to do
Speaker 1: the impossible, extract magic from what everyone else thinks is ordinary.
Speaker 1: We have to find the wizards in ourselves, turn ourselves
Speaker 1: inside out like pockets, and keep shaking until we find
Speaker 1: all the dimes and lint and leftover movie ticket stubs
Speaker 1: in the lining. I mean, we've got to dig. The
Speaker 1: possibilities keep coming, one after another. Explorers yes, adventures yes,
Speaker 1: daredevils yes, life savers yes, athletes yes, humans yes, children yes,
Speaker 1: actors yes, magicians yes. Look at all the possibilities. I
Speaker 1: think it's time we abandoned this wasted, dried up world
Speaker 1: of ordinary wishers and dreamed like a bunch of maniacs.
Speaker 1: If there's anything left in the theater for anyone, it's
Speaker 1: that we can all still dream of a better world together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was a very special person, and I I I think,
Speaker 1: I like, I actually didn't you mentioned her memorial And
Speaker 1: I remember I didn't go to her memorial because I
Speaker 1: was like too emotional about it. Um. But but when
Speaker 1: I knew she would love you, because I because I
Speaker 1: remember like hearing that you were going to go in
Speaker 1: and meet on it, and I just knew that she
Speaker 1: would be so attracted to your energy. But yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's m she That's how sounds like her, and I
Speaker 1: just remember, like she she really did have a transform
Speaker 1: formative quality and she touched so many people. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: had a difficult life. Yeah, I I just remember that
Speaker 1: year that Matt started reality show and there was this transformation.
Speaker 1: There was this huge change and like the way you
Speaker 1: carried yourself and the way you like valued your own talents.
Speaker 1: I mean I remember there being this shift and like
Speaker 1: we all kind of remarked on it, like wow, like
Speaker 1: this reality show thing is really is really impacting Matt
Speaker 1: in a really cool way. Like you were you were
Speaker 1: doing what you what we all knew you were so
Speaker 1: good at, you know, like because because people Matt's journey
Speaker 1: in college was freshman year, he was, you know, kid
Speaker 1: from Long Island, still kind of on learning a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff from like that environment, right, and it's just
Speaker 1: so beautiful. Meant that like you were able to be
Speaker 1: brave enough to go into these spaces that you weren't
Speaker 1: sure how they were gonna how you were going to
Speaker 1: do in them, how they were going to accept you
Speaker 1: or not accept you. You go into comedy, you do sketch,
Speaker 1: and then you go into reality show and you're just you.
Speaker 1: You just keyed into every groove of each of those
Speaker 1: places and like you just sore and like I mean
Speaker 1: that that that is the thing that like I took
Speaker 1: away from Liz anytime anyone talked about her and in
Speaker 1: meeting her was like this thing you guys are talking
Speaker 1: about her presence, like she is someone who like the
Speaker 1: like the air is all probably gets suction to her
Speaker 1: because you have to pay attention to what she's saying,
Speaker 1: even when she's not saying anything at all. Oh man,
Speaker 1: she made you feel like things were limitless, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like she she actually didn't really believe
Speaker 1: in um limits, Like she didn't really um. So she
Speaker 1: made you feel like the sky was the limit. And
Speaker 1: I think that you know you're talking about it was
Speaker 1: me a lot. But with Steph, I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: you were always such a boundless talent, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like you you so were that you sort
Speaker 1: of were the bar. You almost I remember, almost feel
Speaker 1: like you were like an equal to her in that way,
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying, Like and so you
Speaker 1: were such an inspiring like performance presence and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But it was like that for everyone that worked towards her.
Speaker 1: I mean, like if you ask like SHANEA. She would
Speaker 1: say that if you ask, like all these people that
Speaker 1: worked with her, that they would all say that. And
Speaker 1: I think that there's something to the fact that, like
Speaker 1: so many of the people that she worked with, um
Speaker 1: continued to succeed and stuff like that. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: and she was a whacko to like truly, Like there
Speaker 1: were some moments like where I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: know what the fun this is? Like do you know
Speaker 1: she had like an HBO documentary was called My Depression Sigourney.
Speaker 1: We were narrated it. Sig even narrated it. And the
Speaker 1: way that she had an audition for it was we
Speaker 1: all went to her apartment and sat in a circle
Speaker 1: and all read the lines one after another. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I know, this isn't the practical way to do that.
Speaker 1: There were some things about it that I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, this is like and like, um, but
Speaker 1: aren't you glad that you did it the unconventional way?
Speaker 1: Like absolutely, I mean, like she played by her own
Speaker 1: fucking rules. And I also think talking about like you know,
Speaker 1: not needing quote unquote this like the the the validation
Speaker 1: of the industry and stuff like I sometimes think about
Speaker 1: her as like someone that maybe did want that in
Speaker 1: a way, I think that she did want to move
Speaker 1: beyond the the downtown theater world. And I almost feel
Speaker 1: like I know that she said some things to people
Speaker 1: before she passed, like like she called I won't say who,
Speaker 1: but like someone was going to do a musical on
Speaker 1: Broadway instead of do her show, and she said, you're bourgeois,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you're making the wrong choice.
Speaker 1: And I think it was because she did actually regard
Speaker 1: commercial success with selling out, and so that was something
Speaker 1: that also weighed on me a little bit, like I
Speaker 1: felt a little tacky sometimes for one, I wanting to
Speaker 1: succeed in a commercial sense, because when you finally do
Speaker 1: invest in the theatrical community and the community of creating
Speaker 1: your own work, it can almost feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: you wrestle with like what's important and what's good and
Speaker 1: what's bad, and like what's you and what's them? You know,
Speaker 1: she constantly was provoking questions and probably too. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that's been my big grappling that I really.
Speaker 1: I mean, I called her my mama, right, she came
Speaker 1: from La Mama Ellen Stewart was her mama. So Liz
Speaker 1: was my mama and and our mama, and I've been
Speaker 1: thinking about it like family trauma, where I've been like, oh,
Speaker 1: Liz had baggage around the commercial sphere, and I have
Speaker 1: to make sure I don't carry that because actually, if
Speaker 1: if we are able to be in the commercial sphere
Speaker 1: and still think limitlessly and challenge ourselves to continue to
Speaker 1: push the envelope, then there's actually great power in the
Speaker 1: amount of reach that we can have. And it's just
Speaker 1: always going be a balancing act. But you know, I
Speaker 1: just had to check myself and being like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not too cool for this. This is awesome, right,
Speaker 1: like even everything everywhere being a huge success, and like, God,
Speaker 1: she would love this movie stuff, she would she would
Speaker 1: absolutely love it. The quote is very much the spirit
Speaker 1: of the film, where it's like there's beauty and magic
Speaker 1: in the mandanity of things like that, there's you don't
Speaker 1: need to be like all these other possibilities in the
Speaker 1: universe and the multiverse. There's something gorgeous about just being
Speaker 1: who you are in the moment, in the reality that
Speaker 1: you're in. Like, that's that's what she's saying there. When
Speaker 1: I found it, I sent it to the Daniels, and
Speaker 1: I was like, you believe that we because we're I
Speaker 1: was like, how did we find each other? It's kind
Speaker 1: of the meta version of the movie also, somehow through
Speaker 1: all the noise that we found each other to tell
Speaker 1: this story. And that's that's nuts. Um. But yeah, I think, Matt,
Speaker 1: I really relate to some of the questions you're asking,
Speaker 1: and I think I love what you're saying about limitlessness.
Speaker 1: And I think I challenge us both to and all
Speaker 1: three of us too, and everyone who's listening catching up
Speaker 1: no to just continue to remember that it is limitless,
Speaker 1: and it even though the industry has so many bounds,
Speaker 1: like thirty minute versus one hour, the length of a
Speaker 1: special like that, just to someone who decided that once
Speaker 1: and it could be changed at any moment, and we
Speaker 1: have to give ourselves space to remember that that's possible,
Speaker 1: or else we'll lose ourselves, like we'll get swallowed up
Speaker 1: and sad, because they can get sad. It sounds like
Speaker 1: the thing that Liz Suados was able to do was
Speaker 1: just like give you meaning. And I've been saying this
Speaker 1: a lot and everything, but it's like people are people
Speaker 1: are a little bit down right now because there's a
Speaker 1: nihilism going around where nothing means anything anymore, and Liz
Speaker 1: with someone who got you, guys at the right time
Speaker 1: in your life to explain and to like figure out
Speaker 1: for yourselves, like why things mean important things. I think
Speaker 1: I think, I think it's so abstract, but but I
Speaker 1: think that's what happened with her with everyone she touched.
Speaker 1: I'm actually looking up what Lin Manuel said about her
Speaker 1: when she passed, because I remember, like I hadn't thought
Speaker 1: about it like this, but but he said, Liz Suados
Speaker 1: was using hip hop on Broadway in ahead of everybody,
Speaker 1: a colossus singular unequal to. That's what he said about her,
Speaker 1: And that was in the height of all the Hamilton's stuff,
Speaker 1: because I think he really realized in that moment that
Speaker 1: she needed to get her flowers. It's that thing that
Speaker 1: sucks sometimes when like someone gets their flowers, like post
Speaker 1: you know, something happening to them or you know. But
Speaker 1: I really think that her impact was so much larger
Speaker 1: than she probably felt a new and she might have
Speaker 1: even said that she didn't care, but I think she did.
Speaker 1: That's all to say, like everyone knew who she was
Speaker 1: in New York, you know, what I mean in New
Speaker 1: York Theater. We love you, Liz, And can you talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about how you trained as a performer
Speaker 1: and an actress. Yeah, totally. I started at the Atlantic
Speaker 1: Theater Company, which is David Mammott's company, and it's actually
Speaker 1: very cerebral and kind of all about script analysis. So
Speaker 1: it was a very traditional acting upbringing. And then I
Speaker 1: went to the Experimental Theater Wing. But I met Liz
Speaker 1: while I was in the Atlantic, and I don't know,
Speaker 1: I think I've just always when I was in high school,
Speaker 1: you know, people were like, oh, you should audition for drama,
Speaker 1: and so that's kind of how I started doing that.
Speaker 1: And then someone was like, oh, you know, you should
Speaker 1: Brendan Naylor, who now works for Darren Aronofsky. He was
Speaker 1: an upperclassman at this public school and he said, hey,
Speaker 1: you should really think about going to college for this.
Speaker 1: And I didn't even know that that was a thing. Um,
Speaker 1: But I think I've always just, you know, liked to
Speaker 1: throw paint at the fucking wall, you know, And I
Speaker 1: think the only way I know how to find the
Speaker 1: nuance of things is if you explode it in all
Speaker 1: different directions. And so Liz, I think she would. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at those auditions, she'd be like, Okay, now you're gonna
Speaker 1: sing Funck You by Selo Green as a Turkey for
Speaker 1: the first time. You would sing it once and then
Speaker 1: she'd be like, okay, now you have to sing it
Speaker 1: and you were freezing cold, like you might die, and
Speaker 1: was great. It was really cool and it's truly got you.
Speaker 1: And that's also like, so Steph was also a story
Speaker 1: pirate with Bowen, and I like so when they were like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're going to play a spoon who's going through a divorce,
Speaker 1: like I understood it because of Liz. I like when
Speaker 1: the kids would be like, it's a spoon that's going
Speaker 1: through a divorce and he's sad because he doesn't want
Speaker 1: to like move away, you know, like and then like,
Speaker 1: but you understood that because that's something that Liz would say,
Speaker 1: you know, totally. Yeah. And there's also something really physical
Speaker 1: about it. I don't know why that. I've always felt
Speaker 1: very connected to physical comedy. I have this theory that
Speaker 1: I love physical comedy because I grew up in an
Speaker 1: immigrant household, so nobody universal, like it's universal, and I
Speaker 1: never I never got I even felt this when we
Speaker 1: were doing comedy in college where people would come in
Speaker 1: and it would be a Matthew McConaughey sketch, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I know enough about Matthew McConaughey
Speaker 1: to know this, understand how funny this sketches. And I
Speaker 1: remember just being like, I guess I'll just be flarge.
Speaker 1: You know. That's when we talk about that a lot though,
Speaker 1: stuff because I feel like, especially the three of us,
Speaker 1: like when we were all in those comedy groups at
Speaker 1: n YU, they were run by the straight boys, when
Speaker 1: I know you dealt with this over in danger box,
Speaker 1: which is just like you know, we all had to
Speaker 1: sort of learn their references and get their bits and
Speaker 1: sense of humor, like you know, in a way, and
Speaker 1: it wasn't nefarious, but it was just the way it
Speaker 1: had to be. And like it wasn't like anyone like
Speaker 1: being like do you have to learn these? It was
Speaker 1: just like, okay, like this is this is the culture
Speaker 1: within this group of people and that's and that's all.
Speaker 1: This is a you know, answer this how you wish.
Speaker 1: But do you feel that sometimes at no? Ye, no,
Speaker 1: like the sense of humor, do you always understand you
Speaker 1: feel like you can always understand why things are funny,
Speaker 1: or do you feel sometimes that there's a very specific
Speaker 1: formula that you kind of have to abide too. There
Speaker 1: are so many filters that, um, a piece of writing
Speaker 1: goes through until it goes until it goes on air,
Speaker 1: and you always and I'm sure every writer feels this way,
Speaker 1: every cast member feels this way. They kind of want
Speaker 1: and some sometimes and sometimes I am not too invested
Speaker 1: in my own work, which is a bad thing to say,
Speaker 1: but sometimes you just have to accept that. You know
Speaker 1: they're not always going to be gold. But sometimes you
Speaker 1: want to go, oh, but if only you knew the
Speaker 1: process that like it was this other thing, this other
Speaker 1: and this other context. But that's not how comedy works.
Speaker 1: There's a beauty and that there's a beauty and only
Speaker 1: doing one final product on a Saturday of an idea
Speaker 1: something that was just an idea in your head on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: That's what's mind blowing about SNL. And so I never
Speaker 1: like put too much pressure. I never really analyze it
Speaker 1: too much and I think it's okay, But honestly, Step,
Speaker 1: it's I think I need to hear this right now,
Speaker 1: Like with what you're saying about Liz, which is that
Speaker 1: like there is this responsibility to like doing what we do,
Speaker 1: especially if we're lucky enough to get this opportunity that
Speaker 1: like the three of us like individually have or have
Speaker 1: collectively and you know what. Total aside, But I'm flashing
Speaker 1: back to a memory that is very stressful for me,
Speaker 1: which is the first Story Pirate show I directed. Was
Speaker 1: Matt's first year on Story Pirates and I think it
Speaker 1: was yours. But we all went to this middle school,
Speaker 1: do you guys remember, Yeah, we all went to this
Speaker 1: middle school and the creative story was Chaos Chaos Wanda,
Speaker 1: and it was just so wild and kooky and and
Speaker 1: the and the kids they were seventh graders and so
Speaker 1: at that age they're like really like trolling you and
Speaker 1: they're really trying to funk with you, and we're trying
Speaker 1: to put on this like wholesome show and it was
Speaker 1: just it was a stressful moment. And I did go
Speaker 1: home that day being like I failed my cast. I
Speaker 1: filed like these kids and the three of us were
Speaker 1: all there and like God bless you all for like
Speaker 1: see like this is what true, Like this is what
Speaker 1: the years means when we like say we know each
Speaker 1: other for a long time. It means that we've we've
Speaker 1: seen each other in weird, bizarre contexts and situations. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like being bullied by seventh graders, sense like because the
Speaker 1: Creative Story was like we would take suggestions from the
Speaker 1: audience and like you'd have to do what they said.
Speaker 1: And I also navigate, like when they were like trying
Speaker 1: to funk with you or make you do something weird,
Speaker 1: but also like you want to honor their ideas, right,
Speaker 1: And so I remember like the Creative Story got wild
Speaker 1: and out a hint ever steps and be like I
Speaker 1: can't believe we just did that. Also like that's important,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like that's and I can't
Speaker 1: tell you how many times, like we fucking bid it
Speaker 1: like doing like and also like you remember how seriously
Speaker 1: we took it to Like I remember when we go
Speaker 1: to skid Moore. We looked at that as a huge
Speaker 1: opportunity to show the other colleges like what we were
Speaker 1: made of. And then all I can remember about that,
Speaker 1: and rightfully so is bowing coming out of the closet,
Speaker 1: Me and Steph being drunk, Remember me, you and study stuff,
Speaker 1: taking pictures of each other. We were stacked on top
Speaker 1: of each other. I remember like, yeah, we were remember them.
Speaker 1: I mean I was gonna come up, We're gonna come
Speaker 1: We don't have to talk about it, but no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no, we don't do it, but we But
Speaker 1: you know what it's we were definitely in college. We
Speaker 1: were in because we were. It wasn't even that, it
Speaker 1: was that we were. And we went to n YU
Speaker 1: were you know, being in college meant something so arbitrary
Speaker 1: and we weren't having the traditional quote unquote college experience
Speaker 1: and then we would go to this honest to goodness
Speaker 1: liberal arts school, liberal school, and then we like got
Speaker 1: it all out of our systems. Yeah. I had like
Speaker 1: a highlight college memory at Skidmore. It was me and
Speaker 1: some kid for meal making out and look at a
Speaker 1: tool shed I don't know, and I'm like that's all
Speaker 1: I need. I'm like, this is all I need, Like
Speaker 1: I don't have to Like I was never really that
Speaker 1: like debauchers at n y U, but like Skidmore was
Speaker 1: where we all just got it out. Just never forget
Speaker 1: Bowen coming out at Skidmore. O casey, I'm a hob
Speaker 1: and gh and he was just like that's great. He
Speaker 1: was like, that's great. He was the headwriter on Hot Dog.
Speaker 1: Hot Dog, Like the world is too small. It's just
Speaker 1: so funny. It's so small. It is tiny, tiny. Well,
Speaker 1: do you remember do you remember who beat us? Are are?
Speaker 1: We had a like a five Hammercats The Sketch Group
Speaker 1: had a five five months like Street Midnight Madness or
Speaker 1: whatever them, Yeah, Midnight cage match whatever, And do you
Speaker 1: remember who something like yeah or Showcase. I don't remember.
Speaker 1: Do you remember who beat us? It was? And Jonathan
Speaker 1: who Yes, there were two people. We were twelve hundred.
Speaker 1: They beat us and it was crazy and we were
Speaker 1: so bummed. And now you know they're all everyone's fancy.
Speaker 1: But do you guys remember there was a moment when
Speaker 1: at Skidmore John Gabriel taught us a workshop, taught danger
Speaker 1: box and hammer tats to work. But everyone was so funny.
Speaker 1: But and there was a It was an exercise basically
Speaker 1: where he would hand you a card from a deck
Speaker 1: of cards, and if you had to pick your low status,
Speaker 1: if you had a suit, if you're a face card,
Speaker 1: you were high status. And then it was he would
Speaker 1: be like two people on a date. And then I
Speaker 1: think I remember it was Steph Shoo and Mike Spence.
Speaker 1: I remember this. I remember this, and it was both
Speaker 1: of you were so funny. But that was that was
Speaker 1: a moment for me where I go, God, step Sho
Speaker 1: is the funniest mother figure, the funniest. I want you
Speaker 1: to do more, like like obviously everything everyone is funny
Speaker 1: and like Masal's a comedy show, but like they need
Speaker 1: they don't don't even know how funny. They don't know. Well,
Speaker 1: we should do something funny together. Obviously that's what should happen.
Speaker 1: I know, we all got to do something together. We
Speaker 1: really have to, im we have enough muscle between us,
Speaker 1: I think, so really we just got to figure out
Speaker 1: what story there. No, seriously, I'm like, I would that
Speaker 1: would be so fun you know, oh my god, No,
Speaker 1: I mean that would be the joy of my life
Speaker 1: with these two right here, right here and my sisters. Okay,
Speaker 1: so this is on a one minute segment that we
Speaker 1: do on every episode where we take a minute too.
Speaker 1: But what would you say drag to really examine drags
Speaker 1: a little violent? Yeah, you're right, I don't think so,
Speaker 1: honey is not negative. It's cathartic. Cathartic absolutely, Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: I think I have something. Okay, this is Matt Rogers.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. When he has time starts now,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Honey. I witnessed a car blow
Speaker 1: up and where I'm staying. There was no one in
Speaker 1: the car, but war had exploded. I was. I was.
Speaker 1: I was living in the hotel and I hear this
Speaker 1: insane booming noise and then I see everyone just turn
Speaker 1: around and look at it, and I'm thinking the worst.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god. I did never found out
Speaker 1: how the car exploded. But I turned around and there
Speaker 1: was a car on fire in the middle of the
Speaker 1: street between ten and eleven, and I was looking at it,
Speaker 1: and I was like, see, not this is New York,
Speaker 1: but this is New York. I mean, like, this is
Speaker 1: a crazy ass moment. And I finally I was like,
Speaker 1: no one was hurt. They were like, no one was hurt.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, then the car was going to explode
Speaker 1: the way We're all just standing there watching the car
Speaker 1: there and everyone looking at each other, and we're also desensitized,
Speaker 1: like we only ever see on our phone. And there
Speaker 1: we are standing there watching a car explode and beyond fire,
Speaker 1: and no one is doing anything. You hear the sirens
Speaker 1: in the background, and I don't think so, honey. And
Speaker 1: that's one minute. That is the Michael Clayton g t
Speaker 1: a Michael Clinton. I didn't even text any of our
Speaker 1: ends about it, bow because I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to upset anyone. But like when I tell you,
Speaker 1: I heard boom, and then everyone anyone. It was crazy.
Speaker 1: It was one of the craziest things I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: And then it shook me for like an hour. I like,
Speaker 1: I was gonna take a walk on the streets, because
Speaker 1: whenever I'm in New York, I take a long walk
Speaker 1: on the streets. But then I just walked around the
Speaker 1: fucking you know, Hudson Yards that mall. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm staying inside of the wall where where the most
Speaker 1: dangerous thing is the prices at theory, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, I'm gonna stay in here because they're
Speaker 1: a deal. When I saw a car explode, I said,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Oh that's the only thing
Speaker 1: you can say in that situation. Should I've gone up
Speaker 1: next to the car and pulled out my phone and
Speaker 1: on a TikTok and said I don't think so. Honey,
Speaker 1: I posted it. Would that have been icon behavior? Absolutely? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Wow that happened. I had anything? Did you have something?
Speaker 1: But I don't think that's my thing in the culture
Speaker 1: that I'm I can go. You got it? Okay? This
Speaker 1: is I don't think so, honey. As time starts now,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. A T M fees um No, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's not good for me, sweetie, and for my bank account.
Speaker 1: No price is worth me getting money. You're gonna guys,
Speaker 1: I'm pulling this out of my ass. Don't ever ever
Speaker 1: show me to seventy five on that screen. I should
Speaker 1: be getting this for free. It's my money. Why are
Speaker 1: you holding it hostage? Give me twenty now? Why do
Speaker 1: I need the cash? Because I need to go buy
Speaker 1: a fruit, a piece of and they're not I'm not
Speaker 1: going to use my card for that. We're in a
Speaker 1: tap tap culture. More give me cash for free culture.
Speaker 1: You do see me at the strip club tipping the
Speaker 1: dancers and going that will be five seconds. This is
Speaker 1: a broken system. Everybody call your senator. I don't think so,
Speaker 1: and that's one minute. My girl's iconic. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: On today. You know what I do think so, honey,
Speaker 1: that since I've been away from New York, apparently all
Speaker 1: the all the like corner like falafel stands, street meat,
Speaker 1: they take credit cards now, so now the only places
Speaker 1: look at what's here? Oh my god, stre meat, the
Speaker 1: street meat, honey. That's about in New York is that
Speaker 1: you could be walking like and and sort of working
Speaker 1: out and getting your steps in so you can eat
Speaker 1: the street meat. You can have that slice of pizza
Speaker 1: or McDonald's or don't act like it ain't true. Oh,
Speaker 1: I would never even pretend to not be the face
Speaker 1: of McDonald's. I mean, you really mean when you need
Speaker 1: you need to be the face of McDonald's. I think
Speaker 1: this is this is truly out of me. Stephanie really
Speaker 1: was there, Like I think I was eating McDonald's at
Speaker 1: every single Hammercats meeting Monday. On Monday nights when we
Speaker 1: would have our writer's meetings, I would pretty much Beadway, Yes,
Speaker 1: the one across from Tish, that place has seen some ship, oh, darling,
Speaker 1: dear darling. And there was the one near YouTube and
Speaker 1: that I think it's not there anymore, which is when
Speaker 1: you lived on what was it not nice? Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: no McDonald's scarier than the one in midtown, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the one by UCB two, the one, the one that's
Speaker 1: looked by like the poor authority, that is a haunted McDonald's.
Speaker 1: There's any thick New York City McDonald's. There's it's just cucko, cuckoo,
Speaker 1: cuckoo down and there's one that's you. You take the
Speaker 1: D downtown, I think it's like second Avenue D and
Speaker 1: you get out and there's McDonald's right there. That one's haunted.
Speaker 1: To do you need an dorsement McDonald's, Well, you know
Speaker 1: we did for the mccrib. Yeah, we did after the McRib. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we did a whole episode devoted to McDonald's. You did.
Speaker 1: It was the twelfth Day of Culture. Oh no, yes,
Speaker 1: I know that. It was the first day of Culture,
Speaker 1: which is the first first stores. I remember that episode.
Speaker 1: I remember listening to it on all holidays. Twelve days
Speaker 1: of Culture. Oh um, yes, well, don't be don't be
Speaker 1: dragging me from my McDonald's consumption. Okay, So you know
Speaker 1: what I love is step shoe and whatever. I don't
Speaker 1: think so honey is going to be Are you ready, queen?
Speaker 1: I'm ready. This is step shoes. I don't think so
Speaker 1: many her time starts now, okay, I don't think so phones.
Speaker 1: Fuck them. This soul annoying and you're timing you with
Speaker 1: your phone. No, seriously, my sums are sore, my thumb
Speaker 1: are sore. I think I have like chunkier thumbs because
Speaker 1: all I do is some thumb people words on this
Speaker 1: little box, and I just it's crazy. I hate Oh wow,
Speaker 1: I really feel this. I really hate how I'm activated,
Speaker 1: I'm leaning in. I hate how phones have exploded time
Speaker 1: into a constant crack, and that if you don't answer
Speaker 1: someone in a fucking day, you get a follow up
Speaker 1: email and I'm like, don't fucking follow up with me.
Speaker 1: I have other things to do right now, which is
Speaker 1: literally where I cannot respond to your email Like that
Speaker 1: ship stresses me out. And I just feel like the
Speaker 1: phones have created this culture of immediacy, this culture of immediacy,
Speaker 1: and I want everybody to slow down. I want there
Speaker 1: to be time for us to pause and stop and rest.
Speaker 1: Fuck that ship. I'm not going to get endorsed by
Speaker 1: Apple now, I'll tell you that much, but you know
Speaker 1: I do it. So here's what I'll say, and I
Speaker 1: know you feel this way too. When you get a
Speaker 1: text someone an answer right away. I was like, you
Speaker 1: have homework, m But I also, you know, I'm also
Speaker 1: trying to be more gentle with myself and know that
Speaker 1: people love me, I love them, and that it's okay,
Speaker 1: like the ripple of time is okay. But Jesus, this
Speaker 1: little thing. Someone was in yoga today and started writing
Speaker 1: emails on her Apple Watch in yoga, and the teacher
Speaker 1: called her out, and I was like, yeah, that's not
Speaker 1: why you're coming here dropping. I think you you are
Speaker 1: always going to be very present, very aware of your environment,
Speaker 1: that this will never supersed that. I think you are
Speaker 1: built in a way that we are so jealous of,
Speaker 1: which is that like you don't need this, even though
Speaker 1: it seems like it's overtaking your life, you know how
Speaker 1: to you know exactly how to step away from it
Speaker 1: in a way we never go. Y'all are on my
Speaker 1: phone heroes in so many ways because I admire people
Speaker 1: who are able to function. Oh my god, wait, speaking
Speaker 1: of the phone. I actually this is a twist because
Speaker 1: Bowen said he forgot his, But I actually have what
Speaker 1: I wanted to do, which is very topical, and now
Speaker 1: I just remembered it and I want to do it.
Speaker 1: This is this is connected to phones, this is Matt
Speaker 1: Rodgers is second. I don't think. I don't think so. Honey, Twitter,
Speaker 1: good bye. You're to go down for fucking years. You
Speaker 1: have killed and destroyed the soul of this world. And
Speaker 1: if it took Elon Musk buying you and us having
Speaker 1: like a week couple of weeks of like hell for
Speaker 1: you to finally go down in the death throws, the
Speaker 1: death rattle of that is two good bye. I don't
Speaker 1: think there is a soul that is funny on it anymore.
Speaker 1: If you still use Twitter for your little humor platform,
Speaker 1: oh challenge yourself. Oh my god, I don't believe it.
Speaker 1: I am so happy this is going down in flames,
Speaker 1: because guess what if it continued. You know, Elon will
Speaker 1: just like Trump back of the funk on. Remember a
Speaker 1: couple weeks ago when he was like, yeah, vote for
Speaker 1: the Republicans in the mid terms. Bye, bitch. I am
Speaker 1: so happy. That's just thinking about you not knowing anything
Speaker 1: about how to run a company. You'd been like tweeting
Speaker 1: out to your employees, Hey, does anyone know how to
Speaker 1: write code? Thanks? Ellen, bitch? You are so stupid. Shoot
Speaker 1: him up into space where he belongs. Thanks for the tesla,
Speaker 1: I guess, but Twitter, I don't think so many Goodbye,
Speaker 1: Good riddance. Instagram is next. You think Instagram is next.
Speaker 1: Tech is not in a good place right now, And
Speaker 1: I think that's okay. Give me a rock and a
Speaker 1: hammer and a nail and I'm gonna hamm on my
Speaker 1: woods into the rock Commandment style. Yeah, I think we can.
Speaker 1: Just I don't think technology needs to This kind of
Speaker 1: technology does not need to advance anymore. Yeah, it can't,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. I don't really negative it's
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting right now because his his meta had
Speaker 1: to lay off a bunch of people. Um, cryptos collapse
Speaker 1: saying after the f T stuff or it's not collapsing,
Speaker 1: but it's just like the regulators are having to step
Speaker 1: in anyway. I don't. I don't know as much as
Speaker 1: I think I do on this. I won't even for
Speaker 1: your guy. But do you have an instinct about where
Speaker 1: the world goes from here? I don't. I really don't,
Speaker 1: But I hope more people are like Stephanie Shoe, Yeah, studying,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, do you have you gone? Back to Colorado.
Speaker 1: Since all this that's a that's a whole other conversation. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. We need to catch up. We need
Speaker 1: to catch up. Are you all going to be in
Speaker 1: New York? Well here? Yeah? Are you coming? Are you
Speaker 1: living in you know, you're just in the hotel. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm here for the rest of the month.
Speaker 1: But I hope we see what the Gothams. So too,
Speaker 1: I hope so too. Let's have a proper catch up
Speaker 1: at the award show. How about this, even if even
Speaker 1: if you don't get to go officially, will you come
Speaker 1: as my date because I get a date? You do? Yes?
Speaker 1: Are you a I would love to have you. Positive
Speaker 1: If you're going to be in New York for the
Speaker 1: Gothams and you're not going at the Every World at
Speaker 1: Once table, I want you to be my date. Isn't okay? Great?
Speaker 1: If I go to New York if I'm not in
Speaker 1: Australia just day, Oh my god, look at me, I'm
Speaker 1: being so hot and cold. Remember one on a date
Speaker 1: to Anastasia the musicale at the pens Ages. Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 1: I want to I would love to see y'all in
Speaker 1: New York because you know, I feel like I can
Speaker 1: drop in deep yeah, instead of the frenetic energy. What
Speaker 1: we need to do is we need we all need,
Speaker 1: the three of us need to go to cozy Superberger.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, but you know what's not there anymore.
Speaker 1: It's the cottage. I hate that the cottage is not there,
Speaker 1: and then also loved the cottage. I love. I remember
Speaker 1: when I had my restaurant. I think I had my
Speaker 1: twenty one birthday at the Cottage was a Chinese restaurant
Speaker 1: with unlimited wine, wine, unlimited wine, and they didn't card
Speaker 1: and they never carted. That's why I had my twentieth
Speaker 1: birthday there because they didn't card. And I remember it
Speaker 1: was like truly twenty of us. It was all the
Speaker 1: comedy kids, all drinking red wine and like really getting
Speaker 1: wasted on that shitty, shitty wine at the Cottage. And
Speaker 1: the food, and I will say the food was not
Speaker 1: that good, No, but it was cheap. It was cheap.
Speaker 1: It was an irving place. But it was also white tablecloth.
Speaker 1: It was cheap, but white table cloth, yes, table cloth,
Speaker 1: box wine. We thought it was fancy at the time.
Speaker 1: We really did. We did. We were so fancy drinking
Speaker 1: red out for a birthday dinner. It was the Cottage.
Speaker 1: It was called the Cottage. Alright, well we're gonna do
Speaker 1: cozy Stipenburger in New York. We needed to happen. Let
Speaker 1: us know when you come here, we love you so much.
Speaker 1: And to anyone that's in the fucking Screen Actors Guild
Speaker 1: a nominating committee. I know that she doesn't care about this,
Speaker 1: but what she deserves it critics choice and if you are,
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Speaker 1: see Stephanie Shoe. I mean, like, this performance is so brilliant,
Speaker 1: it's so moving. It's everything that you deserve and more.
Speaker 1: And we're so proud of you and we love you
Speaker 1: so much. And the fact that like we got to
Speaker 1: have this like hour and a half here to like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'll chat and talk and share it with people.
Speaker 1: That's you know, it's just a testament to a beautiful
Speaker 1: friendship that we all have. I love you very much.
Speaker 1: I love you guys so much. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for having me. This has been truly a dream come true.
Speaker 1: It's been a bucket list item to be less culture
Speaker 1: STI So I'm proud of y'all. And just yeah stuff,
Speaker 1: what do you think about? Well, I thank me and
Speaker 1: every episode of the song. Here we go, see a
Speaker 1: good problem for you. I'll forget your doing the edited
Speaker 1: version the Chaka wasn't wasn't enough. I thought it was
Speaker 1: so cool. I used to go, who wasn't enough? Okay?
Speaker 1: But now do it like a turkey putting um about
Speaker 1: to be um killed for a feast for the first okay, okay, okay.
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