WEBVTT - Ep. 18: Daniel Boone - American Woodsman (Part 3)

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<v Speaker 1>M. Daniel Boone and his actions and his life, real

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<v Speaker 1>or mythical, embodied what the American people wanted to see

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<v Speaker 1>happen in the wilderness. They wanted to see man in

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<v Speaker 1>the wilderness thriving and dominating and conquering, because that's a

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<v Speaker 1>good story. Because that's a good story. And so whether

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<v Speaker 1>it happened or not, we wrote it deep down because

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<v Speaker 1>we wanted to read it. On this third and final

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<v Speaker 1>episode of the Daniel Boone series on The Burglaries podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna cover Boone's life from thirty five years of

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<v Speaker 1>age to the grave, or at least where we think

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<v Speaker 1>it's grave is. Will explore Boone's adoption as a Shawnee,

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<v Speaker 1>the heroic rescue of his daughter, rumors of his wife's unfaithfulness,

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<v Speaker 1>him killing a hundred and fifty five bears in one season,

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<v Speaker 1>his financial failures, and his character. We're in s of

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<v Speaker 1>who Boon was, his significance in American culture, and perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>you'll find his fingerprints on your life. Heroes are conduits

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<v Speaker 1>of value systems, and will evaluate the one deposited by

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<v Speaker 1>the old backwoodsman. Betrail has been steep and thick, but

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<v Speaker 1>we're about to ascend to the hilltop and see Boone's

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<v Speaker 1>grand vista. You're not gonna want to miss this one.

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<v Speaker 1>So Boone's story, it's really the story of this country,

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<v Speaker 1>good and bad. My name is Clay Nukelem and this

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<v Speaker 1>is the Bear Grease Podcast, where we'll explore things forgotten

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<v Speaker 1>but relevant, search for insight and unlikely places, and where

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<v Speaker 1>we'll tell the story of Americans who lived their lives

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<v Speaker 1>close to the land. Presented by f h F gear,

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<v Speaker 1>American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear as designed

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<v Speaker 1>to be as rugged as the places we explore. On

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<v Speaker 1>Part one of our series on Daniel Boone, we highlighted

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<v Speaker 1>the foundations of his early life from birth to when

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<v Speaker 1>he was thirty five years old, and traversed the Cumberland Gap.

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<v Speaker 1>We explored the cultural mechanisms in which national heroes and

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<v Speaker 1>their identity are created through archetypes. On Part two, we

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<v Speaker 1>camped out in the dad Gum Cumberland Gap and knuck key.

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<v Speaker 1>The Gap must have been blushing by the time we

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<v Speaker 1>were done. Dan's passage through it was key in his life,

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<v Speaker 1>his legend in the Young Life of America. Part three,

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<v Speaker 1>the final in our series, maybe my favorite of them all,

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna take a big swing at the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the Boone's life, all the way to the grave. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no way we can do justice to all the stories,

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<v Speaker 1>the nuance. But we're in search of understanding this woodsman's

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<v Speaker 1>significance what it means to American identity today. On this

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<v Speaker 1>third episode, I grow weary of telling you all the

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<v Speaker 1>cool things about Steve Runella. He's played a very significant

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<v Speaker 1>role in defining the modern American hunter through his books,

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<v Speaker 1>podcast and the academic rigor he's brought into the space

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<v Speaker 1>of the American hunter. Here's Steve, it's Dave Ranella. Talk

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<v Speaker 1>to me about the significance of Kentucky to to Boon

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<v Speaker 1>number one, but also to the American frontier. When we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about going into Kentucky. When these guys would discuss it,

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<v Speaker 1>they were more particularly talking about a region of Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 1>If you came down through the Cumberland Gap and entered Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 1>They were traveling quite a ways beyond that, because they

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<v Speaker 1>were going out to the to the hills, to the

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<v Speaker 1>grass the grasslands. Do you want to get an idea

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<v Speaker 1>what this might look like. There are people, there are

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<v Speaker 1>records from Boone and other frontiersman about massive herds of

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<v Speaker 1>buffalo out on the grasslands of Kentucky. There are descriptions

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<v Speaker 1>of it as where where there aren't trees around, herds

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<v Speaker 1>of elk, estimations of maybe a thousand buffalo in a

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<v Speaker 1>group deer to the point where long hunters could go

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<v Speaker 1>there and shoot literally hundreds of deer. And it was

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<v Speaker 1>fertile soil you could plant it, so they needed certain

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<v Speaker 1>things that they could get off the land in order

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<v Speaker 1>to pack up your family on pack horses or a

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<v Speaker 1>small wagon and go way out and established like a

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<v Speaker 1>new frontier settlement. And that had all of that game, grasslands, water,

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<v Speaker 1>tillable soil, and just space where that every family going,

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<v Speaker 1>every member of every family going is picturing that they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to get all the land they need, and then

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<v Speaker 1>their kids will have all the land they need. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the promise that Kentucky held out to the frontiersman who

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<v Speaker 1>are going there. It was a way to make a

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<v Speaker 1>shift from being long hunters who lived off the spoils,

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<v Speaker 1>the sort of immediate spoils of the field, to become landowners,

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<v Speaker 1>to become like business people. Right, that was your place

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<v Speaker 1>to go and get They wouldn't use this term at all,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was your place to go get the American dream,

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<v Speaker 1>which that was before the American dream existed. When I

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<v Speaker 1>say that they wouldn't have used that term is at

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<v Speaker 1>that time they wouldn't really have. They wouldn't really they

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<v Speaker 1>thought of themselves as Americans. It's interesting that there was

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<v Speaker 1>a confused even at the time the Revolutionary War among

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<v Speaker 1>Boone and other long hunters and frontiers and he was with.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a bit of confusion about what side of

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<v Speaker 1>that you ought to fall on. Initially, they lived so

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<v Speaker 1>far removed from like the the rule of the crown,

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<v Speaker 1>that they weren't struggling from like that level of oppression there.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't immediately jump onto like this patriotic notion of

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<v Speaker 1>being Americans. The idea that Boone was a dedicated American

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<v Speaker 1>patriot is a myth. And we'll learn that he did

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<v Speaker 1>fight for our country on the western front of the

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<v Speaker 1>American Revolution. But the real Boon wasn't sporting eagles in

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<v Speaker 1>American flag tato news. America wasn't even a country until

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<v Speaker 1>he was in his forties, and he spent the last

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<v Speaker 1>years of his life outside of the United States and

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<v Speaker 1>the Missouri territory owned by the Spanish. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>place where we'll get onto the same page about Boone's

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<v Speaker 1>exploits in Kentucky. His first attempt to settle in Kentucky

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<v Speaker 1>was in seventeen seventy three, two years after he returned

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<v Speaker 1>home from his first long hunt there, but the mission

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<v Speaker 1>was abandoned when his son James and several others were

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<v Speaker 1>killed by Indians. Two years after that, in seventeen seventy five, Dan,

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<v Speaker 1>along with thirty other men, cut a trail through the

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<v Speaker 1>Cumberland Gap and trimmed out the longer wilderness road. And

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<v Speaker 1>he brought a bunch of folks with him, including Rebecca

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<v Speaker 1>and the kids. They make it into Kentucky and build

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<v Speaker 1>a fort called Boonsboro. This is where we'll pick up

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<v Speaker 1>with two very important events, the rescue of Jemima and

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<v Speaker 1>the siege of Boonsboro by the Shawnees. We'll start with

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<v Speaker 1>Jemima's story, but first you need to understand the controversy

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<v Speaker 1>around her conception. Here's Steve and I talking about Boone's

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<v Speaker 1>quote favorite daughter. To think about how significant the Cumberland

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<v Speaker 1>Gap was to travel through it. When he goes through,

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<v Speaker 1>he's gone two years it's not like you're bopping in

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<v Speaker 1>and out like it's a commitment. He goes there and

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<v Speaker 1>he's gone two years. We'll just imagine something like that

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<v Speaker 1>from a business perspective. You just like walk away from

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<v Speaker 1>your life for two years and come back and then

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<v Speaker 1>later try to sort out your affairs. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>just miss a lot. When historians line it all up,

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<v Speaker 1>they can't even make sense of the birth you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the birth dates of his children. There were somewhere they're

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<v Speaker 1>like Holmett, but how could that be? He had been

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<v Speaker 1>gone a year but then raise the kid as his oma.

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<v Speaker 1>Just didn't make any sense when ye stuff that was his,

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<v Speaker 1>like his daughter Jemima. He had been gone two years

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<v Speaker 1>and he came back. And there's lots of versions of

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<v Speaker 1>this story. The most decent book I read on Boone

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<v Speaker 1>told this story as if it were true. Robert Morgan

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<v Speaker 1>tells the story as if there's quite a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>speculation inside of it. But Boone came back from a

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<v Speaker 1>two year jaunt and his wife had a newborn child

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<v Speaker 1>in her hand, and she was nursing a newborn child.

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<v Speaker 1>He's been gone for two years to that, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was found out that the father of the child was

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<v Speaker 1>his brother and it was you know. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>where Boone gets becomes even more famous because he said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>at least we kept it in the family, and he

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<v Speaker 1>raised the kid, and that that is for certain. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean he raised the kid as his own. Jemoma was

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<v Speaker 1>one of his daughters that later went to an incredible

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<v Speaker 1>bit of heroism to savor life. Yeah, now that we

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<v Speaker 1>know the drama around Jemoma, I couldn't tell Boone's story

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<v Speaker 1>without including her kidnapping and Boone's rescue mission. We watch

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of fake movies making stuff like this seemed normal,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is real and epitomizes why we're still talking

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<v Speaker 1>about d Boone. What a dad gum stud. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the account as told by Nathan Boone, Boone's youngest son,

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<v Speaker 1>who was interviewed by Lyman Draper. Draper stayed with Nathan

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<v Speaker 1>and Olive Boone in October and November of eighteen fifty one.

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<v Speaker 1>Draper's interview with Nathan is our best resource about Boone's

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<v Speaker 1>life if you hadn't figured it out already. I love

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<v Speaker 1>Lyman Draper. He's kind of the nerdy hero of our

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<v Speaker 1>connection to Boone's life. Hashtag draper. Here's Nathan talking about

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<v Speaker 1>his father and sister. The girls went pleasuring in a

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<v Speaker 1>canoe on Sunday. One of the callaway girls wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>go to a certain point to get some young kane,

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<v Speaker 1>and my sister Jemima Boone, was steering in the canoe.

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<v Speaker 1>As the canoe touched the shore, Indians leaped out and

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<v Speaker 1>seized the girls, and the callaway girls fought with their battles.

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<v Speaker 1>Jemima used to say she then had a sore foot

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<v Speaker 1>from a cane stab and had got the other girls

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<v Speaker 1>to go to the river with her that she might

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<v Speaker 1>hold her foot in the water to quiet the pain.

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<v Speaker 1>After capture, the Indians hurried the girl's away a few

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<v Speaker 1>miles off. The Indians had left an old white horse.

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<v Speaker 1>While the Indians hurried the girls, they delayed as much

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<v Speaker 1>as possible. The Indians then cut off the girls dresses

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<v Speaker 1>and petticoats to the knees to speed their progress, and

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<v Speaker 1>gave them moccasins and leggings hanging mall. A Cherokee was

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<v Speaker 1>of the group. Jemama Boone knew him, probably having met

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<v Speaker 1>him when living on the Watuga. He asked if all

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<v Speaker 1>were daughters of Daniel Boone. She said yes, feeling they

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<v Speaker 1>would be treated more kindly. Hanging Mall then said, laughing,

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<v Speaker 1>we have done pretty well for old Boon this time.

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<v Speaker 1>When they reached the horse, they put Jemima on at

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<v Speaker 1>first because of her sore foot, and occasionally put all

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<v Speaker 1>three girls on together. The horse was crossed and would bite.

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<v Speaker 1>The girls did everything they could to make a trail

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<v Speaker 1>by dropping bits of cloth until the Indians put a

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<v Speaker 1>stop to it. When first captured, their screams were heard.

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<v Speaker 1>Father was lying down on the bed at his house

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<v Speaker 1>and jumped up and seized his gun and started off

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<v Speaker 1>without his moccasins. The only person I definitely recall being

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<v Speaker 1>in the pursuing party was Flanders Callaway. Colonel Richard Callaway

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<v Speaker 1>started with the pursuers and they soon found the Indian trail.

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<v Speaker 1>Callaway was for following directly on the trail, but father objected.

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose Colonel Callaway then returned to Boonsborough. The reason

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<v Speaker 1>my father objected to following the trail was that if

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<v Speaker 1>the Indians had a backwatch, the pursuers would be discovered.

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<v Speaker 1>This would give the Indians time enough to tomahawk the girls.

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<v Speaker 1>He reasoned that a better way would be to fall

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<v Speaker 1>in ahead and strike and watch their war paths. The

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<v Speaker 1>first night someone had returned for supplies. I think there

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<v Speaker 1>were two or three, and very likely Colonel Callaway had

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<v Speaker 1>returned as soon as the Indian trail was discovered in

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<v Speaker 1>their direction. Determined Father's advice was followed, the party bore

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<v Speaker 1>off to one side of their route, and on the

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<v Speaker 1>day the girls were retaken, they again found the Indian trail.

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<v Speaker 1>This they followed a short distance where they found a

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<v Speaker 1>dead buffalo. The Indians had killed and skinned part of

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<v Speaker 1>the hump and cut out a piece and pushed on.

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<v Speaker 1>They only took part, as the whole hump would often

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<v Speaker 1>weigh two hundred pounds. When Father saw that the buffalo

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<v Speaker 1>had just been killed and the blood was yet trickling down,

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<v Speaker 1>he was certain the Indians would stop to cook. When

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<v Speaker 1>they reached the first water. Later, they found a small

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<v Speaker 1>snake the Indians had killed, which was writhing in death.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they discovered the Indian party had separated. The white

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<v Speaker 1>men also split into two groups to search for the Indians,

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<v Speaker 1>both up and down the stream. Father with the right

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<v Speaker 1>hand party had gone about two or three hundred yards

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<v Speaker 1>and when descending a hill into a glen, they saw

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<v Speaker 1>the Indians camped in a small branch. Immediately, my father

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<v Speaker 1>and some others shot at them and then rushed the camp.

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<v Speaker 1>The girls were sitting in the grass on the ground

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<v Speaker 1>in a small open glade and a few steps from

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<v Speaker 1>the fire, and were apparently guarded by one of the

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<v Speaker 1>Indians in a reclining posture. The fire was kindled, and

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<v Speaker 1>three other Indians were gathering wood and preparing for cooking,

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<v Speaker 1>while another Indian was posted some distance in the rear.

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<v Speaker 1>This fellow, scene from the smoke that the fire was kindled,

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<v Speaker 1>left his gun standing and ran down to light his pipe,

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<v Speaker 1>and had reached the fire when Boone and his party fired,

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<v Speaker 1>or so my sister always said. At the crack of

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<v Speaker 1>the guns, the girls jumped up, Jemima shouted, that's daddy,

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<v Speaker 1>and started towards their rescuers. Father yelled to them to

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<v Speaker 1>throw themselves flat upon the ground in case the Indians

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<v Speaker 1>might shoot back, or in case they might accidentally get

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<v Speaker 1>harmed by the shots of the whites. The girls obeyed.

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<v Speaker 1>The men did not know how many Indians were there,

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<v Speaker 1>or if more than they saw might not be nearby.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the Indians that the fire was shot and

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<v Speaker 1>fell into the fire. He must have risen and run

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<v Speaker 1>off mortally wounded, as nothing particularly was said about it.

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<v Speaker 1>The Indian who was shot at the fire was probably

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<v Speaker 1>the one shot by John Floyd. Father then pointed out

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<v Speaker 1>the bush where the Indians stood that he shot, and

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<v Speaker 1>there found the Indians rifle. The girls had been expecting

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<v Speaker 1>to be rescued until that day, but had finally given

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<v Speaker 1>up hope, and we're very downhearted. The Indians gave them

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<v Speaker 1>jerked meat, but Jemima said she never felt like eating

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<v Speaker 1>a morsel, but her foot mended doing the captivity travel.

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<v Speaker 1>When attacked, the Indians made no attempt to injure the girls.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Flanders Callaway was with the party to the left,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was a little later than Boone's party and

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<v Speaker 1>discovering the Indians camp, one of this group fired along shot.

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<v Speaker 1>Jemama Boone was born October four, seventeen sixty two, and

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<v Speaker 1>was in her thirteenth year when captured. It was not

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<v Speaker 1>long after that that she married young to Flanders Callaway.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you remember Robert Morgan, the author of the

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<v Speaker 1>great Boone biography titled Boone. This is the most complex

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<v Speaker 1>event of his life. February of seventy eight, he was

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<v Speaker 1>captured by the Shawnees led by a chief Blackfish Catta Wamanga,

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<v Speaker 1>and because this large group of Indians appeared, he had

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<v Speaker 1>to surrender his men, who were boiling salt at the

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<v Speaker 1>Blue Legs. Here is Nathan Boone's version of the capture.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so long, I've condensed it with my commentary splicing

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<v Speaker 1>through the story, so stay with me. Here's Nathan Boone.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was Saturday when my father was taken.

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<v Speaker 1>In Sunday when he surrendered up the others, he said

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<v Speaker 1>he went on horseback to kill meat for the company.

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<v Speaker 1>In any event, he had killed the buffalo and loaded

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<v Speaker 1>his horse with meat. It started snowing quite hard before

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<v Speaker 1>he killed the buffalo, so he started for the licks,

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<v Speaker 1>which he had left that morning. He had proceeded some

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<v Speaker 1>distance when he discovered a small party of India on

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<v Speaker 1>his trail. The snow was now something like an inch

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<v Speaker 1>or so deep, and he could easily be followed. Father

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<v Speaker 1>at once attempted to untie and throw off the load

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<v Speaker 1>of meat, but failed because the fresh buffalo strings were frozen.

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<v Speaker 1>The strings had been cut from the buffalo that made

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<v Speaker 1>up this heavy load, perhaps three or four hundred pounds,

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<v Speaker 1>and lashed around the horses belly by the tugs. Then

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<v Speaker 1>he attempted to draw his knife from the scabbard to

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<v Speaker 1>cut the tugs, but he found his knife which had

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<v Speaker 1>been thrust into the sheath when all bloody had frozen.

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<v Speaker 1>Father's greasy hands and greasy knife handle prevented him from

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<v Speaker 1>getting the knife out. End of quote. The Shawnees then

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<v Speaker 1>captured Boone. Nathan went on to describe something very interesting

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<v Speaker 1>about his father, My father, Colonel Daniel Boone used to

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<v Speaker 1>say that in his early Indian troubles and difficulties in Kentucky,

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<v Speaker 1>if he dreamed of his father and he was angry,

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<v Speaker 1>it would forebode evil. But if he appeared pln't he

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<v Speaker 1>had nothing to fear. Each time when captured, robbed, or defeated.

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<v Speaker 1>He thus dreamed unfavorably about his father. End of quote.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we'll hear Nathan talk about when Boone was captured

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<v Speaker 1>and brought back to their chief, Blackfish, using Pompey as

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<v Speaker 1>an interpreter, Blackfish asked my father about his men who

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<v Speaker 1>were at the Pee Memo Lick. This was the general

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<v Speaker 1>name in Shawnee for salt springs, referring to the lower

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<v Speaker 1>blue licks. Father asked how they knew his men were there,

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<v Speaker 1>and they said their spies had seen them. Father admitted

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<v Speaker 1>that these men were his, and Blackfish informed him they

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<v Speaker 1>were going to kill them. My father then proposed if

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<v Speaker 1>they would not mistreat them nor make them run the gauntlet,

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<v Speaker 1>he would surrender them up as prisoners of war. End

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<v Speaker 1>of quote. Now Boone leads the Shawnees to his men

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<v Speaker 1>that are working at a salt lick. Here's Boone. I

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<v Speaker 1>suppose it was on the north side of the river.

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<v Speaker 1>The salt makers were lying on their blankets, apparently stunning

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<v Speaker 1>themselves with the snow then half a leg deep. My

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<v Speaker 1>father called out to the men that they were surrounded

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<v Speaker 1>by a large body of Indians. He explained that he

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<v Speaker 1>had stipulated for their surrender and had secured the promise

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<v Speaker 1>of good treatment for them. He said that it was

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<v Speaker 1>impossible for them to get away, and begged them not

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<v Speaker 1>to attempt to defend themselves, as they would all be massacred.

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<v Speaker 1>They at once yielded to his advice, and as my

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<v Speaker 1>father and the Indians with him began to descend the hill,

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<v Speaker 1>the others began to come in from every direction. End

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<v Speaker 1>of quote. Boone and his men would be captured and

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<v Speaker 1>they would stay with the Shawnee for four months. Some

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<v Speaker 1>of the men would escape at different times. It was

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<v Speaker 1>at this time that Boone was adopted as the son

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<v Speaker 1>of Blackfish and thus a Shawnee. Boone would spend the

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<v Speaker 1>entire four months there and adapted very well to indigenous life.

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<v Speaker 1>This would come back to haunt Boone later. This is

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<v Speaker 1>Nathan talking about how Blackfish treated his father. Both Blackfish

0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.359
<v Speaker 1>and his squall treated father very kindly, and he seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to think much of them. They had two daughters, both small,

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<v Speaker 1>named Puma PC and Pima PC. The former was four

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<v Speaker 1>or five years old, ill tempered and hateful. The youngest

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<v Speaker 1>was a mere child, perhaps a year old, with a

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<v Speaker 1>kind temper, and Boone used to nurse it frequently. He

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<v Speaker 1>used the silver trink it's his currency, and would buy

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<v Speaker 1>maple sugar to give to the children, who would smile

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<v Speaker 1>and call it molas. An example of blackfish his kindness

0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:37.920
<v Speaker 1>and an Indian's idea of taste was that Blackfish would

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<v Speaker 1>suck a lump of sugar while in his mouth, take

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<v Speaker 1>it out and give it to Boone, who he always

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<v Speaker 1>addressed as my son. Blackfish at that time was perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>fifty years old, but perhaps not quite that old. Blackfish

0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:54.840
<v Speaker 1>gave my father the name shell Tawee, which means the

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<v Speaker 1>big turtle. End of quote. To make this story short

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<v Speaker 1>and simple, Boon makes a daring escape from the Shawnee

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<v Speaker 1>captors after four months of favorable captivity. While they were

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<v Speaker 1>distracted by a flock of turkeys, Boone makes a bee

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<v Speaker 1>line back to Boonsborough to warn the settlers and his

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<v Speaker 1>family of the coming attack by the Shawnee. They prepare

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<v Speaker 1>the fort and within a short time period, are attacked.

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<v Speaker 1>After a set up peace talk from Blackfish, we can

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<v Speaker 1>do a whole series on this one event. Spoiler alert.

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<v Speaker 1>The Shawnees are held off and the fort is saved,

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<v Speaker 1>but there were consequences for Boone because of Boon on

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<v Speaker 1>those people, including women of really excellent shots. The civil

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<v Speaker 1>women remember us with a rifle. Uh, They're able to

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<v Speaker 1>hold them off from Kentucky was not lost, so the

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<v Speaker 1>western side of the United States is not lost. It's

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<v Speaker 1>very important event. If they had lost Boonsborough, all of

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky would have been taken there's no doubt of it.

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<v Speaker 1>So Boon and it's always the hero of the American Revolution.

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<v Speaker 1>That's when he's court martial that Richard Henderson and the

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<v Speaker 1>Benjamin Lardan accused him of treason because he had surrendered

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<v Speaker 1>the men at the Blue Licks and gone to live

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<v Speaker 1>with the Indians. So they they give this deposition accusing him. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>the Virginia militia has arrived with several officers, including a major,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're the judges at this court martial. And Boone

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<v Speaker 1>gets up and defends himself, and he was really good

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<v Speaker 1>at this. One of the reasons the Indians admired him

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<v Speaker 1>so much was he could talk. The big talk said

0:22:45.560 --> 0:22:48.280
<v Speaker 1>he could talk like a chief. And he eloquently defends,

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<v Speaker 1>explains this elaborate rush, and then the officers declare him

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<v Speaker 1>innocent and promote him to major on the spot. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So he wins that one, but he would never talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it. This is a really humiliating After the Revolution

0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:13.639
<v Speaker 1>is when Boone's influence and fame began to spread. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to turn the ship and began to search for

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<v Speaker 1>traces of Boone's influence in American literature, identity, and worldview.

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky became the fifteenth state in sevent Within this timeframe

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<v Speaker 1>of like thirty years, Tucky Kentucky went from a complete

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<v Speaker 1>wilderness to an American state. That's incredible thing about I

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<v Speaker 1>never thought. I never thought about how compressed it was

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<v Speaker 1>to stay. Yeah, so we see this thing in Boone's life.

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<v Speaker 1>That part of the reason, you know, he was He

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<v Speaker 1>was famous for a statement that he needed more elbow room.

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<v Speaker 1>Once when someone asked, why are you moving, he said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I need more elbow room. So he was constantly in

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<v Speaker 1>pursuit of this this edge of the runtier, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>driven by commerce, potentially because he was a long hunter

0:24:04.760 --> 0:24:07.080
<v Speaker 1>and he needed to harvest game to make a living.

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<v Speaker 1>But also we've got to believe that that was also

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<v Speaker 1>driven by this wanderlust for something new over the next

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<v Speaker 1>edge that just is part of human nature. He was

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<v Speaker 1>also he he did love to hunt. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 1>guy just loved to hunt. He loved solitude. But like

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<v Speaker 1>this idea that humans go to the wilderness to find

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<v Speaker 1>solitude into commune with God, all kind of goes back

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<v Speaker 1>to boot. He was the one that was made famous

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<v Speaker 1>for contemplation. He was the one that really influenced Throw

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<v Speaker 1>in some of the great American writers that talked about

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<v Speaker 1>these things. In the final chapter of Mr Morgan's book,

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<v Speaker 1>he makes a strong appeal that Boone had significant influence

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<v Speaker 1>on Ralph Waldo Emerson, Walt Whitman, Henry David throw and

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<v Speaker 1>many others. Mr Morgan says from his book quote The

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<v Speaker 1>Row begins his essay Walking by saying, I wish to

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<v Speaker 1>speak a word for nature, for absolute freedom and wildness,

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<v Speaker 1>as contrasted with the freedom and culture merely civil. The

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<v Speaker 1>spirit of Boone hovers over every page of the essay,

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<v Speaker 1>published in eighteen sixty two after the Row's death, with

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<v Speaker 1>exuberance and often tongue in cheek, The Rose essay is

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<v Speaker 1>a celebration of freedom and adventure. Quote. I believe there

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<v Speaker 1>is a magnetism in nature which, if we unconsciously yield

0:25:34.640 --> 0:25:38.080
<v Speaker 1>to it, will direct us a right end of quote.

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<v Speaker 1>The Row also said, the west of which I speak

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<v Speaker 1>is but another name for the wild, And what I

0:25:45.000 --> 0:25:49.480
<v Speaker 1>have been preparing to say is that in wildness is

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<v Speaker 1>the preservation of the world. That's the end of Mr

0:25:53.800 --> 0:26:01.680
<v Speaker 1>Morgan's excerpt. If you send to the bear grease render

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<v Speaker 1>you know who Dr Dan rupe Is. I consider him

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<v Speaker 1>my speed dial anthropologist. I want to ask him about

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<v Speaker 1>the peculiar way Americans view nature as compared to other

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<v Speaker 1>parts of the world, and we think much of it

0:26:16.680 --> 0:26:21.920
<v Speaker 1>came from these romantic writers. But originally Boon Dr. D

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<v Speaker 1>Route lived abroad for twelve years and had some insight.

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<v Speaker 1>The other country that I was in for quite some

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<v Speaker 1>time twelve some odd years was China, and so China

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<v Speaker 1>up until about thirty or even even in a lot

0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:40.120
<v Speaker 1>of areas less than that years ago, was a grarian

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<v Speaker 1>so people who are very closely tied to the land,

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<v Speaker 1>and so their view of the wilderness and the woods

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<v Speaker 1>in the wild I found in my personal experience very

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<v Speaker 1>different from my view as an American of that. So

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<v Speaker 1>we lived in a large city three to five hours

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<v Speaker 1>from the Himalayas, depending on how you drove, and so

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<v Speaker 1>regularly I would load up my kids it's to get

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<v Speaker 1>out of town and go to the wild I found

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<v Speaker 1>that as I did that, my Chinese friends thought about

0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:10.639
<v Speaker 1>and interacted with the wilderness in a much different way.

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<v Speaker 1>For the most part, the Himalayan Plateau is a barren wilderness.

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<v Speaker 1>There's almost nothing of practical value there. If you're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to eat, and so the question would regularly be why

0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:24.560
<v Speaker 1>would you go there? They just didn't really make sense

0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:26.200
<v Speaker 1>to them. So why did you want to go there?

0:27:26.280 --> 0:27:29.280
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to go there for adventure and fun, and

0:27:29.320 --> 0:27:32.120
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to get away from that. There's this kind

0:27:32.119 --> 0:27:35.280
<v Speaker 1>of compelling I want to get out and be by

0:27:35.320 --> 0:27:39.320
<v Speaker 1>myself or or just us as no place in their

0:27:39.359 --> 0:27:42.000
<v Speaker 1>mind too, like why would you go there for fun?

0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:46.160
<v Speaker 1>They really, I don't want to say, you know, all

0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:49.680
<v Speaker 1>one point five billion Chinese people have no place for that,

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<v Speaker 1>But the vast majority of of my friends and and

0:27:53.440 --> 0:27:56.040
<v Speaker 1>people that I talked with that was just as odd

0:27:56.160 --> 0:27:59.000
<v Speaker 1>to them as so many things about their culture was

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<v Speaker 1>odd to me. It started to make more sense for

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<v Speaker 1>me when there's a gentleman named Facial Tongue who wrote

0:28:06.000 --> 0:28:08.800
<v Speaker 1>a book called From the Soil, and it is the

0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:13.920
<v Speaker 1>seminal work on a grarian people's and so America. From

0:28:13.960 --> 0:28:18.879
<v Speaker 1>its onset, we were industrial Chinese people from millennia have

0:28:19.000 --> 0:28:21.399
<v Speaker 1>been tied to the land, hence the name of his book,

0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:24.960
<v Speaker 1>From the Soil, and so they see themselves as connected

0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:27.679
<v Speaker 1>to the soil. As part of the soil, you farm

0:28:27.760 --> 0:28:30.440
<v Speaker 1>the same land that your ancestors are buried in. It's

0:28:30.480 --> 0:28:33.720
<v Speaker 1>not something that's separate from them, that's far away from them,

0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:36.600
<v Speaker 1>that you like go to for adventure. You go there

0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:39.160
<v Speaker 1>if it can make food for you. If it can't,

0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:43.160
<v Speaker 1>it has no use for you. Um nowadays, even I

0:28:43.200 --> 0:28:45.400
<v Speaker 1>think I think this would be fair. You can look

0:28:45.480 --> 0:28:48.200
<v Speaker 1>up and read articles on the vocation and the people

0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:52.360
<v Speaker 1>group of Sherpas. Their desire and mindset and model of

0:28:52.520 --> 0:28:56.040
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna climb these mountains is practically it provides them

0:28:56.040 --> 0:28:59.120
<v Speaker 1>with a tremendous amount of income climbing those mountains. Before

0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Westerners came money and the Westerners were in search of

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:06.240
<v Speaker 1>adventure and conquest. I would be shocked if the first

0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:08.959
<v Speaker 1>person on the top of Mount Everest was a white

0:29:09.080 --> 0:29:12.959
<v Speaker 1>western Man. But certainly the idea of we want to

0:29:12.960 --> 0:29:15.840
<v Speaker 1>plant our flag at the top of a mountain that

0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:18.800
<v Speaker 1>came from the West. But the way that they thought

0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:20.880
<v Speaker 1>about it and the way that they approached it would

0:29:20.880 --> 0:29:23.800
<v Speaker 1>have been very different. So this idea of even the

0:29:23.840 --> 0:29:27.040
<v Speaker 1>phrase like a rugged individualist and you're gonna go off

0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:32.960
<v Speaker 1>and quote unquote find yourself for an agrarian interdependent And

0:29:32.960 --> 0:29:35.800
<v Speaker 1>when I say those two words you just described two

0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:39.360
<v Speaker 1>thirds of the globe, you know. So for that kind

0:29:39.400 --> 0:29:43.160
<v Speaker 1>of person, you you only find yourself connected to the

0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:46.040
<v Speaker 1>ground and connected to the people around you, whereas you

0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:49.479
<v Speaker 1>and I we quote unquote come alive when we go

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:52.640
<v Speaker 1>out and when disconnect and we're disconnected. So, you know,

0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:56.800
<v Speaker 1>a primary difference between millennia of Chinese people in this

0:29:56.840 --> 0:29:59.360
<v Speaker 1>case thinks to facial Ton's book and my own experience,

0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:03.880
<v Speaker 1>and and Daniel Boone is our our friends in China

0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:07.959
<v Speaker 1>are coming from millennia of farming. Daniel Boone is uh.

0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:11.120
<v Speaker 1>You know, like so many people that came to America

0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:14.360
<v Speaker 1>came for very different reasons, but tend to be wanting

0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:19.200
<v Speaker 1>to leave behind an escape and get away from different

0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:22.200
<v Speaker 1>things that are going on in Europe. And even this

0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:25.360
<v Speaker 1>kind of fundamental idea of if I can just break

0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:29.160
<v Speaker 1>away from the establishment, then I can start something new,

0:30:29.840 --> 0:30:32.520
<v Speaker 1>and almost a necessity of doing that, and that would

0:30:32.520 --> 0:30:35.080
<v Speaker 1>have been a mind frame deep inside of all these

0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:39.760
<v Speaker 1>early colonialists with without a doubt. And so we as

0:30:39.840 --> 0:30:45.560
<v Speaker 1>Western individualists tend to view the wilderness as a place

0:30:45.720 --> 0:30:51.000
<v Speaker 1>where we can establish ourselves or conquer or have risk

0:30:51.320 --> 0:30:56.240
<v Speaker 1>or adventure. These are all experiential terms that are entirely abstract.

0:30:56.560 --> 0:31:00.000
<v Speaker 1>We are not going to the wilderness for tangible concrete

0:31:00.360 --> 0:31:04.440
<v Speaker 1>that that idea was built and developed in the frontier

0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:08.480
<v Speaker 1>stage of America. Talk to me about where they came

0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:11.680
<v Speaker 1>from though, so so Daniel Boone's father and mother would

0:31:11.680 --> 0:31:14.440
<v Speaker 1>have come over on that boat, but they were Quakers.

0:31:14.880 --> 0:31:18.320
<v Speaker 1>Talk to me about kind of the Judeo Christian worldview,

0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:20.760
<v Speaker 1>so in wilderness. So when you look at the Judeo

0:31:20.840 --> 0:31:23.760
<v Speaker 1>Christian worldview, there's a big story that it's founded on.

0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:26.440
<v Speaker 1>That big story starts in the Garden of Eden. And

0:31:26.480 --> 0:31:29.200
<v Speaker 1>so there's this cultivated area of land. It's a it's

0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:33.000
<v Speaker 1>a home, it's made, it's established. Outside of that, Adam

0:31:33.120 --> 0:31:36.320
<v Speaker 1>is made and then he's placed inside of the Garden Eden.

0:31:36.520 --> 0:31:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Everything else's wilderness. It's wild and then when they fall,

0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:43.840
<v Speaker 1>they are banished, they're punished into the wildern. They are

0:31:43.960 --> 0:31:48.440
<v Speaker 1>exiled into the wilderness. And there's a British sociologist named J. A.

0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:51.920
<v Speaker 1>Walter who wrote several decades ago, and he actually the

0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:54.880
<v Speaker 1>title of one of his works was A Long Way

0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:58.720
<v Speaker 1>from Home, and the central premise of his work was

0:31:58.800 --> 0:32:02.720
<v Speaker 1>that grace basically, the the grand story of the Judeo

0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:06.920
<v Speaker 1>Christian worldview is that we've been banished to the wilderness

0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:10.320
<v Speaker 1>from our home and that we are trying to find

0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:14.240
<v Speaker 1>ourselves and find a home. And so that's just adds

0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:17.880
<v Speaker 1>to this idea that the wilderness was not a place

0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:21.120
<v Speaker 1>you wanted to go, and it's a place of punishment, definitely.

0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:26.080
<v Speaker 1>And then along comes Boon and he conquers the wilderness,

0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:28.400
<v Speaker 1>and in effect, we're giving Boon a ton of credit

0:32:28.440 --> 0:32:30.600
<v Speaker 1>to And that's why this whole what I want to

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:34.200
<v Speaker 1>see is it does start with Boon, but it was

0:32:34.240 --> 0:32:36.800
<v Speaker 1>so many other people too, of course, but it was

0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:41.360
<v Speaker 1>it was here that that worldview kind of became finalized

0:32:41.400 --> 0:32:44.560
<v Speaker 1>in the Staff. If anything, Daniel Boone and his actions

0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:50.200
<v Speaker 1>and his life, real or mythical, embodied what the American

0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:54.160
<v Speaker 1>people wanted to see happen in the wilderness. They wanted

0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:59.280
<v Speaker 1>to see man in the wilderness thriving and dominating and

0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:03.080
<v Speaker 1>conquering because that's a good story. Because that's a good story.

0:33:03.160 --> 0:33:05.959
<v Speaker 1>And so whether it happened or not, we wrote it

0:33:06.280 --> 0:33:15.440
<v Speaker 1>deep down because we wanted to read it. Boone taught

0:33:15.480 --> 0:33:19.760
<v Speaker 1>America to love wilderness and cherish solitude, and that value

0:33:19.800 --> 0:33:22.880
<v Speaker 1>system may seem really normal to you, especially if you

0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:26.840
<v Speaker 1>have a rural or hunting background. But this is peculiar

0:33:26.840 --> 0:33:31.200
<v Speaker 1>and fundamental to America. Boone's life was full of irony,

0:33:31.240 --> 0:33:34.920
<v Speaker 1>and that's part of why his story reflects the American story.

0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:39.360
<v Speaker 1>I asked Steve if he thought Boone had any regrets

0:33:42.760 --> 0:33:45.120
<v Speaker 1>the tragic part of his life. And this is the

0:33:45.160 --> 0:33:48.560
<v Speaker 1>question I want to ask you, Steve, is wherever he went,

0:33:48.840 --> 0:33:51.880
<v Speaker 1>people followed. So he went to Kentucky, which was this

0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:57.720
<v Speaker 1>wilderness Eden, and within thirty years it was an American state.

0:33:58.040 --> 0:34:01.080
<v Speaker 1>And you know, three thousand people, you know, over the

0:34:01.080 --> 0:34:03.560
<v Speaker 1>course of a longer period of time than thirty years,

0:34:03.920 --> 0:34:06.480
<v Speaker 1>came through the Cumberland Gap and I mean just settled

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:10.359
<v Speaker 1>the whole place. How aware of that would he have been?

0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:12.480
<v Speaker 1>How would he have dealt with that? And then the

0:34:12.560 --> 0:34:16.680
<v Speaker 1>ultimate question for US hunters, and they're even an outdoor media,

0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:19.520
<v Speaker 1>do you ever feel like that? Like, because the very

0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:22.600
<v Speaker 1>nature of what we do demand's solitude, But we're like

0:34:22.719 --> 0:34:27.359
<v Speaker 1>recruiting people. Yeah, if an interesting thing to push Boon on,

0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:30.520
<v Speaker 1>if you could talk to him now, was uh, I

0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:33.920
<v Speaker 1>would say to him, how conflicted were you? Let's say

0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:37.160
<v Speaker 1>you now come out and find a great new hunting spot,

0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:39.959
<v Speaker 1>and then over time, that great new hunting spot fills

0:34:40.040 --> 0:34:42.600
<v Speaker 1>up with people, still shines for them. They love it,

0:34:42.640 --> 0:34:44.160
<v Speaker 1>They think it's the greatest thing in the world. You

0:34:44.200 --> 0:34:47.160
<v Speaker 1>saw it before and you lament its passing. But let's

0:34:47.160 --> 0:34:50.080
<v Speaker 1>say that you didn't really do anything to usher that in, right,

0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:52.880
<v Speaker 1>you just participated and stood by and watch this happen.

0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:56.360
<v Speaker 1>It's reasonable for the person in that situation to feel

0:34:56.360 --> 0:34:59.120
<v Speaker 1>a great sense of loss. It's not that clean. With Boone,

0:34:59.160 --> 0:35:03.359
<v Speaker 1>though he was complicit, it seems as though he mourned it.

0:35:03.640 --> 0:35:08.000
<v Speaker 1>He did not like to see they complained about game vanishing.

0:35:08.239 --> 0:35:11.480
<v Speaker 1>But Boone was also speculating. He was in the land

0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:15.799
<v Speaker 1>speculation business. He was invested in settlement. I think that

0:35:15.840 --> 0:35:19.240
<v Speaker 1>he knew what he had to do was always poor,

0:35:19.480 --> 0:35:21.839
<v Speaker 1>wanted money, wanted to find a way out of debt,

0:35:22.000 --> 0:35:24.560
<v Speaker 1>wanted to get his family in a good position. And

0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:27.320
<v Speaker 1>I think that he probably had to sit there and think,

0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:29.719
<v Speaker 1>and you know what, man, not only did it never

0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:32.919
<v Speaker 1>work right? I never got rich off Kentucky. Not only that,

0:35:33.160 --> 0:35:36.360
<v Speaker 1>but I ruined what it was about it that I loved.

0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:40.719
<v Speaker 1>If he was conflicted, meaning did he ever think I

0:35:40.800 --> 0:35:44.000
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't do any of these activities that might lead to

0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:47.400
<v Speaker 1>the exploitation to Kentucky. He just don't see any evidence

0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:50.600
<v Speaker 1>of it, did, he lamented? Sure, man, we work really

0:35:50.640 --> 0:35:54.880
<v Speaker 1>hard to raise our kids up and make them independent

0:35:55.200 --> 0:35:57.400
<v Speaker 1>and eventually get him out the door so that they

0:35:57.440 --> 0:36:01.319
<v Speaker 1>go on and have productive, happy lives. But what does

0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:05.000
<v Speaker 1>every parent tell you when they move away? How sad

0:36:05.040 --> 0:36:07.800
<v Speaker 1>it was? But would you ever go and do something

0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:12.040
<v Speaker 1>to thwart their development in order to hang onto it?

0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:14.200
<v Speaker 1>So there's like that, in order to hang on to

0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:16.040
<v Speaker 1>and make it be that they were relying on you

0:36:16.080 --> 0:36:18.560
<v Speaker 1>and had to stay home or not. You can live

0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:21.640
<v Speaker 1>in two places at one time. They gotta get up

0:36:21.680 --> 0:36:25.120
<v Speaker 1>and grow and get out of the house. And and

0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:28.120
<v Speaker 1>my god, it's sad watching them go. You know, it's

0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:30.279
<v Speaker 1>like it's like it's every part of my life. It's

0:36:30.320 --> 0:36:33.279
<v Speaker 1>almost it was inevitable though, I mean, like because if

0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:37.360
<v Speaker 1>Boone had just said, you know what I value solitude

0:36:37.360 --> 0:36:40.960
<v Speaker 1>and wilderness, I am bringing anybody back here, I mean

0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:45.080
<v Speaker 1>five years later, first of all, we'd be talking about

0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:47.320
<v Speaker 1>somebody else right now. Well, he could have been extremely

0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:50.759
<v Speaker 1>impactful in that because he could have if he really

0:36:50.760 --> 0:36:54.960
<v Speaker 1>felt that way, he would have aligned himself with Uh,

0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:57.440
<v Speaker 1>he would have moved in, and at one point he did,

0:36:57.480 --> 0:37:00.759
<v Speaker 1>but he would have moved in with the indie and

0:37:00.880 --> 0:37:03.480
<v Speaker 1>explained to them the risk and explained to them how

0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:06.839
<v Speaker 1>to head it off, and then there would have been

0:37:06.840 --> 0:37:09.240
<v Speaker 1>a pathway to that. He could have been a trader.

0:37:09.360 --> 0:37:11.160
<v Speaker 1>He would have been a trader to people, but would

0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:14.919
<v Speaker 1>have been very effective. They're gonna come through there, They're

0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:19.000
<v Speaker 1>gonna come through that gap, right there. Boys. Well but

0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:21.320
<v Speaker 1>what would that have done though? That would have delayed

0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:26.080
<v Speaker 1>this thing twenty years? You know, I'm just saying. I'm

0:37:26.120 --> 0:37:28.920
<v Speaker 1>just saying. What's important is he didn't do that. He

0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:33.120
<v Speaker 1>didn't do that, and you can't find any real evidence

0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:37.160
<v Speaker 1>that he ever pumped the brakes. Uh. Yeah, man, he

0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:39.319
<v Speaker 1>had to have been conflicted. And the reason you know

0:37:39.520 --> 0:37:42.680
<v Speaker 1>that he probably was conflicted is because he kept seeking

0:37:42.719 --> 0:37:47.160
<v Speaker 1>out in other places what he was instrumental in trashing

0:37:47.880 --> 0:37:52.839
<v Speaker 1>in the last place. He didn't like for him, what

0:37:52.960 --> 0:37:56.480
<v Speaker 1>guys like him created, hunted out agricultural lands now where

0:37:56.480 --> 0:38:00.960
<v Speaker 1>he wanted to stay. Always moved into be in where

0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:04.440
<v Speaker 1>he wanted to be, which him the simple fact of

0:38:04.520 --> 0:38:07.200
<v Speaker 1>him being there made it that he didn't want to

0:38:07.200 --> 0:38:09.880
<v Speaker 1>be there, there's almost like you know, you know people

0:38:09.920 --> 0:38:14.000
<v Speaker 1>like that in life. You know, I'm like that in

0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:17.719
<v Speaker 1>some aspects of life, right, I see, and everybody does

0:38:17.760 --> 0:38:23.560
<v Speaker 1>I see like boonish at least my understanding of uh why,

0:38:24.160 --> 0:38:27.120
<v Speaker 1>Like what's the wrong with things just being more simple?

0:38:27.239 --> 0:38:29.600
<v Speaker 1>Like what is it in a person that just leads

0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:33.279
<v Speaker 1>you to kind of to complexify everything around you, or

0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:37.279
<v Speaker 1>what prevents you from ever saying this is enough, like

0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:45.240
<v Speaker 1>this right here, this right here is just perfect. Instead

0:38:45.080 --> 0:38:47.279
<v Speaker 1>you'd be like, this right here is just perfect. If

0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:50.720
<v Speaker 1>only we could build a workshop right over there human nature,

0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:54.480
<v Speaker 1>man and one boat. Sweet, imagine if you had two boats.

0:38:54.760 --> 0:38:57.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm imagine if this boat was eight ft rather than

0:38:58.239 --> 0:39:01.400
<v Speaker 1>why you'll never understand it's it's funny. That's one of

0:39:01.440 --> 0:39:03.799
<v Speaker 1>the things that makes Boon so valuable. Man. It might

0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:05.239
<v Speaker 1>be better for us that we can't sit here and

0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:09.160
<v Speaker 1>ask him all these questions, because he's there's enough there

0:39:09.160 --> 0:39:11.359
<v Speaker 1>where you can really pin you can really look and

0:39:11.800 --> 0:39:15.960
<v Speaker 1>feel and smell what's there, Like he's there, right, He's tangible,

0:39:16.440 --> 0:39:20.120
<v Speaker 1>but there's enough mystery about what he thought about the

0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:24.720
<v Speaker 1>whole thing that he is like a very handy way

0:39:24.760 --> 0:39:32.960
<v Speaker 1>to contemplate yourself ourselves, you know, more than if you

0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:36.080
<v Speaker 1>sat them down right now and he and he was alive,

0:39:36.200 --> 0:39:39.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, whether they dug him out of Missouri or Kentucky,

0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:42.959
<v Speaker 1>depending on what version you believe in where he's resting now,

0:39:43.360 --> 0:39:45.280
<v Speaker 1>he might be like, man, I read all the books

0:39:45.400 --> 0:39:48.839
<v Speaker 1>I read Robert Morgan. Dude, that dude missed it by

0:39:48.880 --> 0:39:53.000
<v Speaker 1>a million miles, like me, like that, like are you

0:39:53.080 --> 0:39:55.680
<v Speaker 1>kidding me? You know what I felt about that stuff.

0:40:05.640 --> 0:40:09.480
<v Speaker 1>In effort to understand Boone's personal identity, I want to

0:40:09.560 --> 0:40:14.719
<v Speaker 1>explore him using the term woodsman to describe himself and

0:40:14.760 --> 0:40:18.560
<v Speaker 1>will learn an interesting fact. We've yet to discuss Boon

0:40:19.160 --> 0:40:26.200
<v Speaker 1>as a politician. It's clear that Boone's personal identity of

0:40:26.280 --> 0:40:30.600
<v Speaker 1>himself was as a woodsman. And there was a letter

0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:33.320
<v Speaker 1>that he wrote to a governor later in his life,

0:40:34.120 --> 0:40:36.920
<v Speaker 1>and part of the preface of the letter says, I

0:40:37.000 --> 0:40:40.520
<v Speaker 1>am no statesman, I am a woodsman. So that it's

0:40:40.560 --> 0:40:44.080
<v Speaker 1>clear that that's if there was one word that would

0:40:44.080 --> 0:40:47.520
<v Speaker 1>that he would describe himself, describe himself as it he said,

0:40:47.560 --> 0:40:50.040
<v Speaker 1>I am a woodsman. If if he were, if he

0:40:50.080 --> 0:40:52.440
<v Speaker 1>were only here, so we could ask him exactly what

0:40:52.480 --> 0:40:57.160
<v Speaker 1>he meant by that that phrase and what he embodied,

0:40:57.640 --> 0:41:00.040
<v Speaker 1>and what we see is something that's very much a

0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:04.319
<v Speaker 1>live today in a lot of rural American culture. It's

0:41:04.360 --> 0:41:07.920
<v Speaker 1>something that we deeply value. Like in my family, Mr Morgan,

0:41:08.239 --> 0:41:11.960
<v Speaker 1>my dad would have raised me up with that very

0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:15.280
<v Speaker 1>phrase on his lips. You need to be a woodsman.

0:41:15.640 --> 0:41:19.399
<v Speaker 1>What do you think Daniel Boone meant when he said that, Well,

0:41:19.560 --> 0:41:23.080
<v Speaker 1>somebody who could live on the land in the forest

0:41:23.440 --> 0:41:26.560
<v Speaker 1>and could support himself. He could, he could feel game,

0:41:26.880 --> 0:41:29.640
<v Speaker 1>He knew the herbs. He had learned that from Indians.

0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:34.040
<v Speaker 1>It's a major way Indians influenced American civilization was to

0:41:34.080 --> 0:41:38.480
<v Speaker 1>teach them the medicinal plants. Uh. But you you really

0:41:39.880 --> 0:41:42.480
<v Speaker 1>said the important word there, that he was a woodsman.

0:41:42.520 --> 0:41:46.239
<v Speaker 1>He knew he wasn't somebody actually was a statements a statesman.

0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:49.480
<v Speaker 1>He had done pretty well in the legislature. He served

0:41:49.480 --> 0:41:53.600
<v Speaker 1>three terms in the Virginia legislature. He did and did

0:41:53.640 --> 0:41:57.600
<v Speaker 1>some important things about getting ferries built on the Kentucky

0:41:57.760 --> 0:42:02.520
<v Speaker 1>River and laws about the game, wanton killing of game. Really,

0:42:02.600 --> 0:42:06.879
<v Speaker 1>Daniel Boone did that when he was in the Virginia. Yes,

0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:09.879
<v Speaker 1>he was very much aware that you know, the game

0:42:09.960 --> 0:42:13.520
<v Speaker 1>was disappearing, and there should be rules about how much

0:42:13.600 --> 0:42:16.799
<v Speaker 1>she could kill and where you could kill it. But

0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:21.160
<v Speaker 1>his life is full of paradoxes, and as all our

0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:25.160
<v Speaker 1>lives are, really, But woodsman was the word he preferred

0:42:25.239 --> 0:42:29.799
<v Speaker 1>in the first title of my biography was woodsman. Oh.

0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:34.160
<v Speaker 1>I thought about this a lot. Boone was this legislator

0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:37.840
<v Speaker 1>in Virginia. But I think sometimes it's in the place

0:42:37.920 --> 0:42:40.920
<v Speaker 1>that we don't fit where we find our real identity,

0:42:41.280 --> 0:42:44.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, where we where that identity probably of being

0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:48.560
<v Speaker 1>a woodsman really became distinct to him. Tell me if

0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:50.680
<v Speaker 1>you think this is right. It's almost like he he

0:42:50.840 --> 0:42:54.640
<v Speaker 1>thought maybe he could fit in inside of that world

0:42:54.960 --> 0:42:58.839
<v Speaker 1>and went there and and did okay, But it was like,

0:42:58.920 --> 0:43:00.640
<v Speaker 1>this is not where I was us to be. Well,

0:43:00.640 --> 0:43:04.200
<v Speaker 1>think of the image of Daniel Boone in the legislature.

0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:08.520
<v Speaker 1>He's wearing well, he's there with Patrick Henry and Thomas Jefferson,

0:43:08.680 --> 0:43:13.880
<v Speaker 1>wearing silk and brocade and wigs. He's with one of

0:43:13.920 --> 0:43:18.160
<v Speaker 1>the great philosophers of the Enlightenment, Thomas Jefferson, and he's

0:43:18.200 --> 0:43:22.040
<v Speaker 1>wearing buckskin, and legends did he wear that to the

0:43:22.800 --> 0:43:26.480
<v Speaker 1>We have eyewitnesses of it. Now these legends much legends

0:43:26.480 --> 0:43:30.120
<v Speaker 1>that they have this this really elaborate bead work on

0:43:30.719 --> 0:43:34.040
<v Speaker 1>he'd have to have gotten them from Indians. I think

0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:36.920
<v Speaker 1>he did that sort of thing out of his sense

0:43:36.960 --> 0:43:40.560
<v Speaker 1>of duty. That they elected him, he was expected to

0:43:40.600 --> 0:43:43.120
<v Speaker 1>do it, and he was the kind of person that

0:43:43.239 --> 0:43:47.759
<v Speaker 1>took these responsibilities seriously. But I think he did what

0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:51.560
<v Speaker 1>he thought he was expected to do. He wasn't ashamed

0:43:51.560 --> 0:43:56.200
<v Speaker 1>of being there in Buckskin and Indian legends. Now, the

0:43:56.280 --> 0:43:59.680
<v Speaker 1>interesting thing is to think of him and Thomas Jefferson

0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:03.000
<v Speaker 1>for some new in and wrote to him asking to

0:44:03.040 --> 0:44:06.280
<v Speaker 1>get in touch with George Rogers Clark. Clark was supposed

0:44:06.320 --> 0:44:09.880
<v Speaker 1>to find mammoth bones and things like that and bring

0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:14.839
<v Speaker 1>them back to Uh. To Jefferson and after Boon, Jefferson

0:44:15.239 --> 0:44:18.960
<v Speaker 1>is the most responsible for opening the West Almas. Jefferson

0:44:19.120 --> 0:44:22.320
<v Speaker 1>was obsessed with the wilderness to the west. He says

0:44:22.400 --> 0:44:26.399
<v Speaker 1>in his in his essays on Virginia, the Ohio River

0:44:26.640 --> 0:44:28.839
<v Speaker 1>is the most beautiful river in the world. He had

0:44:28.880 --> 0:44:31.040
<v Speaker 1>never seen it, but he knew from the word of

0:44:31.239 --> 0:44:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Boon and other people. So that's really interesting. You juxtaposed Jefferson,

0:44:35.560 --> 0:44:39.360
<v Speaker 1>who was famous around the world, with this philosopher scientist

0:44:39.800 --> 0:44:42.480
<v Speaker 1>statesman and Daniel Moon, and they obviously had a lot

0:44:42.520 --> 0:44:46.600
<v Speaker 1>in common them that they shared this obsession with the

0:44:46.640 --> 0:44:50.440
<v Speaker 1>interior and the beauties of nature, the importance of nature.

0:44:54.440 --> 0:44:56.879
<v Speaker 1>I want to tell a story that stood out to me.

0:44:57.360 --> 0:44:59.880
<v Speaker 1>I feel like each one of these stories give us

0:44:59.880 --> 0:45:04.200
<v Speaker 1>a window into Boone's life. At age sixty five, Daniel

0:45:04.200 --> 0:45:07.240
<v Speaker 1>was still going strong. I want to read an excerpt

0:45:07.360 --> 0:45:11.480
<v Speaker 1>from Morgan's book about Boone's market hunting for black Bear

0:45:11.600 --> 0:45:16.759
<v Speaker 1>with Rebecca in Kentucky. These are Mr Morgan's words from

0:45:16.800 --> 0:45:24.319
<v Speaker 1>his book Boone. J. P. Hale said that Boone was

0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:29.439
<v Speaker 1>not remembered sufficiently quote for his qualities and experience as

0:45:29.440 --> 0:45:34.799
<v Speaker 1>a counselor, commander and legislator in which fields. Notwithstanding his

0:45:34.960 --> 0:45:39.200
<v Speaker 1>rare modesty and lack of self asserting, he was appreciated

0:45:39.320 --> 0:45:42.920
<v Speaker 1>and put forward by his contemporaries. Hall went on to

0:45:43.000 --> 0:45:45.959
<v Speaker 1>write in his short biography of Boone that the old

0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:50.560
<v Speaker 1>frontiersman hardly seemed aware of the heroic deeds he had

0:45:50.600 --> 0:45:54.960
<v Speaker 1>done quote, but seemed to be driven on irresistibly by

0:45:55.000 --> 0:45:59.160
<v Speaker 1>that deep seated instinct for adventure which nature had implanted

0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:02.960
<v Speaker 1>in him, and whose only gratification could be found among

0:46:03.000 --> 0:46:06.239
<v Speaker 1>the wilds of the frontier. One thing that may have

0:46:06.280 --> 0:46:09.360
<v Speaker 1>brought Boone back to Kentucky was the bear hunting on

0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:13.000
<v Speaker 1>the Levisa fork of the Big Sandy. Each winter, Daniel

0:46:13.040 --> 0:46:16.200
<v Speaker 1>and Rebecca and one of their sons returned there to

0:46:16.280 --> 0:46:20.000
<v Speaker 1>kill bears, collect bear skins, smoked bear bacon, and render

0:46:20.120 --> 0:46:24.040
<v Speaker 1>bear flesh into oil. A man named William Champ later

0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:26.480
<v Speaker 1>said that he encountered Boone and his wife and two

0:46:26.560 --> 0:46:29.680
<v Speaker 1>daughters and their husbands on the Big Sandy, living in

0:46:29.800 --> 0:46:33.440
<v Speaker 1>half faced camps, where they quote eight their meals from

0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:36.640
<v Speaker 1>a common rough tray very much like the sap tray,

0:46:36.880 --> 0:46:39.840
<v Speaker 1>placed on a bench instead of a table, each using

0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:42.960
<v Speaker 1>as needed a butcher knife to cut meat and using

0:46:43.080 --> 0:46:46.680
<v Speaker 1>forks made of cane with times or prongs, and having

0:46:46.760 --> 0:46:50.480
<v Speaker 1>only bread to eat with meat. Bears were so abundant

0:46:50.520 --> 0:46:53.960
<v Speaker 1>that Boone killed a hundred and fifty five in one season,

0:46:54.120 --> 0:46:56.879
<v Speaker 1>and he killed one monster bear that weighed between five

0:46:56.960 --> 0:46:59.680
<v Speaker 1>hundred and six hundred pounds. A bear skin was worth

0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:02.319
<v Speaker 1>about two dollars, but the meat of each animal was

0:47:02.400 --> 0:47:05.960
<v Speaker 1>worth more than twice that. Boone's arthritis was so bad

0:47:06.000 --> 0:47:09.279
<v Speaker 1>at times that Rebecca had to carry his rifle for him,

0:47:09.320 --> 0:47:12.240
<v Speaker 1>but he killed record numbers of bears all the same,

0:47:12.480 --> 0:47:15.320
<v Speaker 1>and since she was known as an excellent shot, Rebecca

0:47:15.480 --> 0:47:18.759
<v Speaker 1>very likely killed her share of bruins. Also, one of

0:47:18.760 --> 0:47:21.960
<v Speaker 1>the creeks where they camped was named Greasy Creek because

0:47:21.960 --> 0:47:25.600
<v Speaker 1>they rendered bear fat there enough to fill several barrels.

0:47:26.000 --> 0:47:28.680
<v Speaker 1>Bear grease could be sold for a dollar a gallon.

0:47:29.040 --> 0:47:32.560
<v Speaker 1>One bear might yield twenty gallons of oil. Boon bragg

0:47:32.719 --> 0:47:36.200
<v Speaker 1>that he had once killed eleven bears before breakfast. With

0:47:36.280 --> 0:47:39.239
<v Speaker 1>his commercial hunting conducted on such a scale, it's hard

0:47:39.239 --> 0:47:43.080
<v Speaker 1>to imagine how Boone thought the game populations could be sustained.

0:47:43.200 --> 0:47:46.080
<v Speaker 1>The last buffalo in the Bluegrass had been killed around

0:47:46.120 --> 0:47:49.720
<v Speaker 1>sevent This is still one of the paradoxes of Boone's

0:47:49.760 --> 0:47:52.480
<v Speaker 1>life and its character. Because he had been a professional

0:47:52.560 --> 0:47:55.959
<v Speaker 1>hunter most of his life, the paradox was probably not

0:47:56.040 --> 0:47:59.400
<v Speaker 1>as clear to Boon as it is to us in hindsight.

0:48:00.040 --> 0:48:07.680
<v Speaker 1>End of quote. If you've read much about the Frontiersman,

0:48:07.760 --> 0:48:11.520
<v Speaker 1>you've probably had questions about their physical toughness and wondered

0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:16.720
<v Speaker 1>if they were superhuman. Here's what Steve thinks. The things

0:48:16.800 --> 0:48:23.080
<v Speaker 1>that Boone did physically, like the physical acts of being

0:48:23.120 --> 0:48:26.960
<v Speaker 1>in the frontier for two years and crossing rivers and

0:48:27.440 --> 0:48:32.080
<v Speaker 1>the cold and the physical acts. You have got to

0:48:32.840 --> 0:48:38.319
<v Speaker 1>believe that Boone was kind of a physical phenomen do you, dude,

0:48:38.360 --> 0:48:42.280
<v Speaker 1>I I I explain that I wonder about it all

0:48:42.800 --> 0:48:47.760
<v Speaker 1>the time. How tough was he? We like to now

0:48:47.960 --> 0:48:52.520
<v Speaker 1>say like, oh, now we need all these advanced fabrics

0:48:52.560 --> 0:48:56.279
<v Speaker 1>to keep warm, you know, and we have synthetic insulation

0:48:56.719 --> 0:49:00.919
<v Speaker 1>in big Wider's Okay, like that that's what we need now.

0:49:01.200 --> 0:49:06.560
<v Speaker 1>I have a feeling, though, that they were probably about

0:49:06.719 --> 0:49:09.640
<v Speaker 1>as comfortable out in the boys as we are. The

0:49:09.719 --> 0:49:14.160
<v Speaker 1>thresholds were different. It was like they got cold man bad.

0:49:14.480 --> 0:49:17.480
<v Speaker 1>They were uncomfortable at times, They got bit up by

0:49:17.560 --> 0:49:19.919
<v Speaker 1>bugs to a point where it would kind of drive

0:49:19.960 --> 0:49:22.880
<v Speaker 1>you mad. They suffered, and they just didn't know any different.

0:49:23.640 --> 0:49:26.719
<v Speaker 1>Like I, I don't think that they just walked around

0:49:27.360 --> 0:49:31.000
<v Speaker 1>out there whistling all happy because they were just so

0:49:31.080 --> 0:49:33.560
<v Speaker 1>tough that they were always comfortable. It's not fun getting

0:49:33.560 --> 0:49:35.880
<v Speaker 1>bit up by bugs, it's not fun being cold. I

0:49:35.920 --> 0:49:39.640
<v Speaker 1>think that they just were oftentimes, like really uncomfortable. Maybe

0:49:39.640 --> 0:49:41.720
<v Speaker 1>it's so uncomfortable that if you went there now without

0:49:41.760 --> 0:49:44.560
<v Speaker 1>growing up with that set of experiences, you wouldn't be

0:49:44.600 --> 0:49:47.440
<v Speaker 1>able to handle it and you tap out. And there's

0:49:47.480 --> 0:49:51.360
<v Speaker 1>something to be said about the threshold, a strong threshold.

0:49:51.480 --> 0:49:55.000
<v Speaker 1>But they weren't magicians. I mean there's I think there's

0:49:55.040 --> 0:49:57.800
<v Speaker 1>a gradient of Yeah, there are people that are super

0:49:57.840 --> 0:50:00.279
<v Speaker 1>tough and people that are super weak in out of

0:50:00.320 --> 0:50:04.160
<v Speaker 1>this window of human capability. I would imagine somebody like

0:50:04.200 --> 0:50:08.560
<v Speaker 1>Boone would have been on the higher scale exceptionally exceptionally,

0:50:08.680 --> 0:50:11.560
<v Speaker 1>but he wasn't. He wasn't superhuman. Would he run a

0:50:11.640 --> 0:50:21.000
<v Speaker 1>ultra marathon? Probably not. We can't talk about Boone without

0:50:21.080 --> 0:50:23.800
<v Speaker 1>touching on one of the biggest challenges in his life.

0:50:24.280 --> 0:50:27.120
<v Speaker 1>The later part of his life after the golden years

0:50:27.200 --> 0:50:31.959
<v Speaker 1>of the seventeen seventies, were riddled with financial issues and lawsuits,

0:50:32.120 --> 0:50:37.360
<v Speaker 1>most about land. Here are Mr Morgan's thoughts on Boone's character.

0:50:38.480 --> 0:50:40.520
<v Speaker 1>Mr Morgan, this is a this is a quote from

0:50:40.600 --> 0:50:45.440
<v Speaker 1>your book. In almost every case, frontiersman were remembered and

0:50:45.640 --> 0:50:51.200
<v Speaker 1>honored more for character and dependability than marksmanship and scouting ability.

0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:55.960
<v Speaker 1>In the dangerous world of the West, integrity counted above

0:50:56.000 --> 0:50:59.160
<v Speaker 1>all else. I think we we kind of have this

0:50:59.239 --> 0:51:04.759
<v Speaker 1>idea that somebody like Boon was solely known for his

0:51:05.360 --> 0:51:07.880
<v Speaker 1>for for the things that he did go through the

0:51:07.880 --> 0:51:11.040
<v Speaker 1>Cumberland Gap in Kentucky, and his long long hunting and

0:51:11.080 --> 0:51:16.160
<v Speaker 1>all these external feats, which is very true. But what

0:51:16.160 --> 0:51:19.600
<v Speaker 1>what made him a legend and remembered and honored, as

0:51:19.640 --> 0:51:22.360
<v Speaker 1>you said here, was character. And I think that's something

0:51:22.400 --> 0:51:27.000
<v Speaker 1>that would not be intuitive, but it's true. Well, the

0:51:27.040 --> 0:51:32.960
<v Speaker 1>fashion among historians and biographers is to debunk legends, to

0:51:33.000 --> 0:51:35.319
<v Speaker 1>find out what the real story is. And and uh,

0:51:35.520 --> 0:51:38.080
<v Speaker 1>we have an awful lot of that in our time.

0:51:38.520 --> 0:51:40.319
<v Speaker 1>And it's good. I mean to try to, you know,

0:51:40.440 --> 0:51:44.319
<v Speaker 1>find the weaknesses of people. But when I examined the

0:51:44.360 --> 0:51:46.960
<v Speaker 1>Boon and great detail and went to all those sources

0:51:47.000 --> 0:51:49.400
<v Speaker 1>I could find, I found he really lived up to

0:51:49.520 --> 0:51:51.840
<v Speaker 1>the image we have of him. It's true he was

0:51:51.880 --> 0:51:55.240
<v Speaker 1>in debt and he lost everything, but in every case

0:51:55.320 --> 0:51:58.960
<v Speaker 1>some of his character was very consistent. And that's I

0:51:59.000 --> 0:52:02.440
<v Speaker 1>think important in our time. It is certainly important in

0:52:02.520 --> 0:52:06.439
<v Speaker 1>a dangerous world like Kentucky and the wilderness. You had

0:52:06.520 --> 0:52:08.680
<v Speaker 1>to count on people and if they said I'm going

0:52:08.719 --> 0:52:11.359
<v Speaker 1>to meet you at such a place, and they had

0:52:11.400 --> 0:52:14.920
<v Speaker 1>to be there. And that's what he valued among his friends.

0:52:15.360 --> 0:52:18.479
<v Speaker 1>His friend Steward, who was killed by Indians. I guess

0:52:18.560 --> 0:52:21.360
<v Speaker 1>he admired him so much because he was dependable. Also

0:52:21.400 --> 0:52:24.720
<v Speaker 1>two of Michael Stoner, the German who could hardly speak English,

0:52:24.760 --> 0:52:27.560
<v Speaker 1>but Stoner, you know, you could absolutely depend on him.

0:52:27.840 --> 0:52:31.440
<v Speaker 1>So Boone's legend grew partly because people admired him, they

0:52:31.440 --> 0:52:34.520
<v Speaker 1>trusted him. And isn't that what we wanted a friend

0:52:34.560 --> 0:52:37.640
<v Speaker 1>today as well? Though? Absolutely, I mean it's it's really

0:52:37.680 --> 0:52:40.960
<v Speaker 1>no different. An example of this is that Boone was

0:52:41.239 --> 0:52:46.440
<v Speaker 1>robbed of a lot of money and certificates for land

0:52:46.960 --> 0:52:51.120
<v Speaker 1>in eastern Virginia. He had gone there to register this

0:52:51.320 --> 0:52:53.800
<v Speaker 1>land for people, and they give him money and a

0:52:53.840 --> 0:52:58.160
<v Speaker 1>lot of certificates, and apparently in this uh end he

0:52:58.239 --> 0:53:01.720
<v Speaker 1>was drugged and during the night all the stuff was robbed.

0:53:01.960 --> 0:53:03.759
<v Speaker 1>So he had to go back to Virginia and say

0:53:03.840 --> 0:53:07.680
<v Speaker 1>I lost your money and lost their certificates. But the

0:53:07.760 --> 0:53:10.680
<v Speaker 1>heart Brothers who knew him said, you know, they absolutely

0:53:10.719 --> 0:53:13.920
<v Speaker 1>trusted him, and they had seen Boone in the worst

0:53:14.040 --> 0:53:17.879
<v Speaker 1>situations and he always and I was somebody dependable, So

0:53:18.040 --> 0:53:20.719
<v Speaker 1>they did not even ask for their money back, tried

0:53:20.760 --> 0:53:23.600
<v Speaker 1>to force him. The people who knew him best absolutely

0:53:23.600 --> 0:53:27.399
<v Speaker 1>trusted him. The people who went after him later were

0:53:27.440 --> 0:53:31.120
<v Speaker 1>people who had lost land because of these surveys, so

0:53:31.280 --> 0:53:34.359
<v Speaker 1>he was known among a certain number of people as

0:53:34.880 --> 0:53:39.360
<v Speaker 1>untrustworthy because they had lost land, even if it surveyed

0:53:39.400 --> 0:53:43.120
<v Speaker 1>by other people was associated with it. And the people

0:53:43.160 --> 0:53:46.719
<v Speaker 1>who really got Boon were lawyers like Henry Clay, who

0:53:46.719 --> 0:53:49.440
<v Speaker 1>was a young lawyer and made his fortune going to

0:53:49.520 --> 0:53:53.520
<v Speaker 1>court and suing people, including Boone, over these land deals.

0:53:53.560 --> 0:53:57.120
<v Speaker 1>And Boone was a frontiersman. He hated paperwork. He was

0:53:57.520 --> 0:54:01.960
<v Speaker 1>very casual about registering things. Figured somebody else could do that.

0:54:02.080 --> 0:54:03.920
<v Speaker 1>He was a man of the woods. He called himself

0:54:03.920 --> 0:54:09.200
<v Speaker 1>a woodsman and he was. His reputation for being dishonest

0:54:09.320 --> 0:54:12.440
<v Speaker 1>came from people who were mad because they had lost

0:54:12.920 --> 0:54:16.280
<v Speaker 1>money in land deals and wanted to blame him. Uh.

0:54:16.440 --> 0:54:19.239
<v Speaker 1>I think it summed up his life so well. At

0:54:19.280 --> 0:54:21.880
<v Speaker 1>the at the end of his life, he he didn't

0:54:21.920 --> 0:54:24.560
<v Speaker 1>owe money to anyone, is that true. He went all

0:54:24.600 --> 0:54:27.640
<v Speaker 1>the way back to Kentucky to pay people who claimed

0:54:28.160 --> 0:54:30.840
<v Speaker 1>he owed them money. He may not owed him anything,

0:54:31.239 --> 0:54:34.880
<v Speaker 1>but they claimed it. And he didn't want to be

0:54:34.960 --> 0:54:38.160
<v Speaker 1>known as somebody who died still owing money, so he

0:54:38.160 --> 0:54:40.960
<v Speaker 1>he took the little money he got from selling his

0:54:41.080 --> 0:54:43.800
<v Speaker 1>land he was given a piece of land in Missouri

0:54:44.120 --> 0:54:48.600
<v Speaker 1>and took that money back. That's one story. His children said.

0:54:48.600 --> 0:54:52.160
<v Speaker 1>He never went back to Kentucky. So did he send

0:54:52.160 --> 0:54:55.480
<v Speaker 1>the money by mail or something. Yeah, we don't know.

0:54:55.960 --> 0:54:59.480
<v Speaker 1>He would loan people money and give them land on

0:54:59.520 --> 0:55:02.600
<v Speaker 1>a hand check. I never see them again. He would

0:55:02.640 --> 0:55:05.160
<v Speaker 1>sell it to them without anything. He went down pay.

0:55:05.960 --> 0:55:10.000
<v Speaker 1>He couldn't understand. You don't accumulate wealth. You share what

0:55:10.040 --> 0:55:12.359
<v Speaker 1>you have. And that's one of the things that got

0:55:12.440 --> 0:55:15.359
<v Speaker 1>him into so much trouble that here he would buy

0:55:15.480 --> 0:55:17.719
<v Speaker 1>land and then set it to somebody else. He still

0:55:17.760 --> 0:55:20.359
<v Speaker 1>had to pay for it. Yeah, and got nothing from

0:55:20.360 --> 0:55:23.480
<v Speaker 1>the person. The ways of the backwoods didn't work very

0:55:23.480 --> 0:55:26.840
<v Speaker 1>good in civilization. That he was out of place. He

0:55:27.000 --> 0:55:32.000
<v Speaker 1>was out of place. Late in Boone's life, he lived

0:55:32.080 --> 0:55:36.160
<v Speaker 1>as a common man in Missouri. Chester Harding, a young

0:55:36.280 --> 0:55:41.120
<v Speaker 1>painter from Massachusetts, was the last known visitor of Boone,

0:55:41.360 --> 0:55:44.840
<v Speaker 1>and he captured the only real imagery that we have

0:55:45.080 --> 0:55:49.400
<v Speaker 1>of Boon just before his death, so no other images

0:55:49.480 --> 0:55:53.400
<v Speaker 1>exist except for this one that Chester Harding did. Here's

0:55:53.440 --> 0:55:56.919
<v Speaker 1>an excerpt from Mr. Morgan's book about the latter part

0:55:57.120 --> 0:56:05.440
<v Speaker 1>of Daniel's life. Like almost all men and women who

0:56:05.480 --> 0:56:09.120
<v Speaker 1>have the opportunity. Boone enjoyed his grandchildren. He could tell

0:56:09.160 --> 0:56:12.640
<v Speaker 1>them stories and rhymes, wise sayings, and anecdotes from his

0:56:12.760 --> 0:56:17.200
<v Speaker 1>childhood and his long adventurous life, and his curiosity never

0:56:17.320 --> 0:56:21.320
<v Speaker 1>left him. He questioned visitors and family members about current

0:56:21.360 --> 0:56:25.160
<v Speaker 1>events and news of the day, of the frontier advancing

0:56:25.360 --> 0:56:28.799
<v Speaker 1>further west. Sometimes he took a bear skin or deer

0:56:28.840 --> 0:56:31.759
<v Speaker 1>skin out under a tree, and he would lie on it,

0:56:32.000 --> 0:56:36.560
<v Speaker 1>whistling or singing to himself. The Reverend James E. Welch

0:56:36.719 --> 0:56:40.280
<v Speaker 1>described his person as he saw him in eighteen eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>He was rather low of stature, broad shoulders, high cheek bones,

0:56:45.000 --> 0:56:49.360
<v Speaker 1>very mild countenance, fair complexion, Soft and quiet in his manner,

0:56:49.719 --> 0:56:53.920
<v Speaker 1>but little to say unless spoken to, Amiable and kind

0:56:53.960 --> 0:56:58.520
<v Speaker 1>in his feelings, very fond of quiet, retirement of cool

0:56:58.640 --> 0:57:05.440
<v Speaker 1>self possession, and indomitable perseverance. Among Boone's last noted visitors

0:57:05.480 --> 0:57:09.880
<v Speaker 1>was a young painter from Massachusetts named Chester Harding. Harding

0:57:09.960 --> 0:57:12.600
<v Speaker 1>came to share it to paint Boone's portrait at the

0:57:12.680 --> 0:57:16.040
<v Speaker 1>very end of his life, finding the old hunter roasting

0:57:16.160 --> 0:57:20.240
<v Speaker 1>venison on a ramrod in a small cabin behind Jemima's house.

0:57:20.400 --> 0:57:23.480
<v Speaker 1>The painter asked if he could do a portrait. Boone

0:57:23.520 --> 0:57:26.480
<v Speaker 1>was hard of hearing and may not have understood the request.

0:57:26.720 --> 0:57:30.800
<v Speaker 1>He had little experience with portrait painters, But Jemima understood

0:57:30.800 --> 0:57:34.120
<v Speaker 1>the importance of the opportunity and persuaded her father to

0:57:34.240 --> 0:57:38.280
<v Speaker 1>overcome his timidity or modesty and sit. The result was

0:57:38.320 --> 0:57:41.920
<v Speaker 1>the only portrait from life that exists. Though he was

0:57:42.000 --> 0:57:45.680
<v Speaker 1>old and frail in the Harding painting, the powerful presence

0:57:45.680 --> 0:57:48.640
<v Speaker 1>of Boone comes through in the portrait. No longer the

0:57:48.720 --> 0:57:52.480
<v Speaker 1>muscular big turtle of his prime, Boone still shows his

0:57:52.640 --> 0:57:55.280
<v Speaker 1>character and will. It is the picture of a man

0:57:55.480 --> 0:57:58.320
<v Speaker 1>who means to do what he sets out to do.

0:57:58.920 --> 0:58:01.720
<v Speaker 1>We are all in Harding's debt for the last minute

0:58:01.760 --> 0:58:05.760
<v Speaker 1>likeness of Boone. According to the family, Boone was surprised

0:58:05.800 --> 0:58:10.240
<v Speaker 1>to see himself captured so convincingly on canvas. Harding's portrait

0:58:10.320 --> 0:58:13.160
<v Speaker 1>was later revised by others to make Boone look younger

0:58:13.320 --> 0:58:17.320
<v Speaker 1>and healthier. Harding captured the dignity and strength of the

0:58:17.320 --> 0:58:21.520
<v Speaker 1>elusive Boone as he sketched. The young painter questioned Booned

0:58:21.520 --> 0:58:25.280
<v Speaker 1>about his career, which now stretched into its ninth decade.

0:58:25.640 --> 0:58:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Had he ever been lost in his wandering? Harding asked, no.

0:58:29.640 --> 0:58:32.720
<v Speaker 1>Boone said, I can't say I was ever lost, but

0:58:32.840 --> 0:58:38.760
<v Speaker 1>I was bewildered once for three days. Today there are

0:58:38.800 --> 0:58:43.320
<v Speaker 1>many versions of Boone's portrait by Harding, but originally there

0:58:43.400 --> 0:58:47.000
<v Speaker 1>was only one. Here are the words of Chester Harding

0:58:47.120 --> 0:58:52.040
<v Speaker 1>about his trip to meet Boone. Quote. In June of

0:58:52.080 --> 0:58:55.240
<v Speaker 1>this year, I made a trip of one hundred miles

0:58:55.280 --> 0:58:58.400
<v Speaker 1>for the purpose of painting the portrait of old Colonel

0:58:58.480 --> 0:59:02.800
<v Speaker 1>Daniel Boone. I had much trouble in finding him. He

0:59:02.920 --> 0:59:05.840
<v Speaker 1>was living some miles from the main road, in one

0:59:05.840 --> 0:59:08.360
<v Speaker 1>of the cabins of an old block house, which was

0:59:08.400 --> 0:59:11.720
<v Speaker 1>built for the protection of the settlers against the incursion

0:59:11.920 --> 0:59:15.280
<v Speaker 1>of Indians. I found that the nearer I got to

0:59:15.320 --> 0:59:19.440
<v Speaker 1>his dwelling, the less was known of him. Within two

0:59:19.480 --> 0:59:23.120
<v Speaker 1>miles of his house, I asked a man where Colonel

0:59:23.160 --> 0:59:28.200
<v Speaker 1>Boone lived. He said he did not know any such man. Why, yes,

0:59:28.320 --> 0:59:31.439
<v Speaker 1>you do, His wife said, it's that white headed old

0:59:31.520 --> 0:59:35.120
<v Speaker 1>man who lives at the bottom near the river. A

0:59:35.200 --> 0:59:38.440
<v Speaker 1>good illustration of the proverb that a prophet is not

0:59:38.520 --> 0:59:43.280
<v Speaker 1>without honor save his own country. End of quote. I'm

0:59:43.320 --> 0:59:47.560
<v Speaker 1>absolutely amazed at that story two miles from where Boone lived.

0:59:47.720 --> 0:59:54.520
<v Speaker 1>People didn't even know who he was. And what I

0:59:54.640 --> 0:59:59.320
<v Speaker 1>like about Boon though, is Boone he didn't buy into

0:59:59.320 --> 1:00:04.000
<v Speaker 1>the Boone. You know, somebody came in his older age.

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<v Speaker 1>There's an account of someone reading a story to him

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<v Speaker 1>about him, and Boone said basically said they should wait

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<v Speaker 1>till somebody's dead to write stuff like that. Like he

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<v Speaker 1>he he didn't buy into the hype. And and he

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<v Speaker 1>he was. He died a common man. And it's just

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<v Speaker 1>so bizarre that he didn't do like yeah, he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>do like a buffalo Bill Cody wild West show thing,

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<v Speaker 1>theatrical performance. That's what I liked about the guy. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he was Crockett would get up. You know again, man,

1:00:34.840 --> 1:00:37.680
<v Speaker 1>we stick him together, but Crockett would get up and

1:00:37.720 --> 1:00:42.439
<v Speaker 1>play himself in front of audiences. It's interesting to hear

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<v Speaker 1>the story of the latter years of Boone's life. He's

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<v Speaker 1>living in Missouri after leaving Kentucky and vowing never to

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<v Speaker 1>come back. He had a bad taste in his mouth

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<v Speaker 1>about Kentucky. What's wild is the level of detail we

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<v Speaker 1>know about Boone's death. It's kind of bizarre. Boone had

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<v Speaker 1>an infatuation with his coffin. Once, while Boone was away,

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<v Speaker 1>he became ill and they thought he was gonna die.

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<v Speaker 1>Nathan got word of it and had a common pine

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<v Speaker 1>coffin built for his father, Much to everyone's surprise. Boone

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<v Speaker 1>lived and was upset when he saw the coffin that

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<v Speaker 1>had been chosen for him. Boone proceeded to build a

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful walnut coffin that he kept in his house for

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<v Speaker 1>some time before he decided to upgrade coffins again. He

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<v Speaker 1>allowed a friend to be buried in the walnut coffin,

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<v Speaker 1>and he had a beautiful ornate cherry coffin made. He

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<v Speaker 1>kept it under his bed, polished it, often took naps

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<v Speaker 1>in it, and loved to show it to visitors, and

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<v Speaker 1>he would even scare his grandchildren with him inside of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Mr Morgan had something to say about the way death

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<v Speaker 1>used to be handled in the nineteenth century. People talked

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<v Speaker 1>about a beautiful death. It was the last accomplishment. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a kind of art. It was. It was something

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<v Speaker 1>Emily Dickinson. When somebody dies, she would always write and say,

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<v Speaker 1>tell me about their death. What kind of death wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>People then died at home they didn't die in a

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<v Speaker 1>hospice or off in a hospital somewhere, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they could tell they were dying. Uh, people would gather

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<v Speaker 1>around when boone, and they wouldn't have had medicine to

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<v Speaker 1>try to extend their life by long periods of time.

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<v Speaker 1>Death would have been usually forecasted with some accuracy. You

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<v Speaker 1>could see right that somebody was near death. Usually a

1:02:44.600 --> 1:02:49.480
<v Speaker 1>boon refused to drugs laudanum, he refused alcohol. He wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to be alert. His family gathered. I think his uh,

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<v Speaker 1>his daughter in law, Ali was very good at singing.

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<v Speaker 1>He had her sing. People would go their round, they

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<v Speaker 1>would talk about things that had happened, Uh, forgive each other,

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of thing. And yeah, it was it was

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<v Speaker 1>a real kind of ceremony. I really enjoyed researching that

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<v Speaker 1>and getting some sense of what death meant in the night.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that like a really potentially important piece of the

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<v Speaker 1>human experience that we now basically don't experience. We tried

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<v Speaker 1>to hide it, we tried to to ignore it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>without modern medicine, you know, people sort of died in

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<v Speaker 1>a natural way. It was it was just a fact.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it was a milestone that was part of life.

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<v Speaker 1>It was It was like a like a birth and

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<v Speaker 1>the death like they both would have been these bookends

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<v Speaker 1>to life. It was done at home. I like to

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<v Speaker 1>think about how the human experience in the last hundred

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<v Speaker 1>years is so bizarre as compared to the eons that

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<v Speaker 1>humans have been on the earth, And just in this

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<v Speaker 1>period of time, have people died in hospitals and have

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<v Speaker 1>people have been able to use by economic means basically

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<v Speaker 1>farm out the the arrangements of their family member's death.

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<v Speaker 1>Right we can prolong life when it's almost not life.

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<v Speaker 1>Would know that that idea of dying naturally when he

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<v Speaker 1>were still alert. Stonewall Jackson died that way. I remember

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<v Speaker 1>he refused any laudanum or alcohol. He wanted to be

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<v Speaker 1>aware of everything. He knew he was dying. But that

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<v Speaker 1>was I think pretty common. But Boone's death was particularly

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful because everybody was there. They all gathered around him,

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<v Speaker 1>and Boone said, you know, don't worry, I've had a

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<v Speaker 1>long life. I've had a good life. They offered him.

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<v Speaker 1>He said he wanted a bowl of warm milk. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that was the last thing. He had eaten. Too

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<v Speaker 1>many sweet potatoes the night before, because and his grandchildren

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<v Speaker 1>had applied him with cookies and candy. Um. But he

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<v Speaker 1>certainly was a where of what was happening, and uh

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<v Speaker 1>did not seem I wouldn't say blissful, but it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>seem worried. Particularly. This is Nathan Boone's account of his

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<v Speaker 1>father's death. Finally, I took him back in a carriage,

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<v Speaker 1>and my two little sons, Howard and John, six and

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<v Speaker 1>four years of age, came along. We reached my house

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<v Speaker 1>at midday, and he was cheerful and in good spirits.

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<v Speaker 1>He told his grandchildren he thought he would soon be

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<v Speaker 1>well enough to go with them and gather some of

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<v Speaker 1>the hazel nuts he had seen nearby along the road.

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<v Speaker 1>During the afternoon, he enjoyed the innocent prattle of his grandchildren,

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<v Speaker 1>and to please them he would eat some cakes, nuts,

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<v Speaker 1>and even drink buttermilk they affectionately presented to him. In

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<v Speaker 1>this way, it was afterward thought he loaded his stomach

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<v Speaker 1>with articles too rich and gross. My father rested pretty

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<v Speaker 1>well that night. The next morning he went out upon

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<v Speaker 1>the porch, looked around the arm and he said, if

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<v Speaker 1>he felt as well the next day as he did,

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<v Speaker 1>then he would ride horseback around the farm. He was

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<v Speaker 1>brought in and laid down on the bed and slept.

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<v Speaker 1>Before he awakened. It was discovered that a fever was

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<v Speaker 1>coming upon him, and he began to complain of an acute,

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<v Speaker 1>burning sensation such as he never before felt in his breast,

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<v Speaker 1>which continually grew worse. When he was advised to take medicine,

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<v Speaker 1>he declined, as he thought it would do no good.

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<v Speaker 1>He said it was his last sickness, but he said

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<v Speaker 1>calmly he was not afraid to die. He recognized all

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<v Speaker 1>his relatives who came to see him during his last sickness,

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<v Speaker 1>and talked until within a few minutes of his last breath.

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<v Speaker 1>Some ten minutes before he breathed his last his daughter,

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<v Speaker 1>miss Callaway, arrived. He recognized her and died placidly, only

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<v Speaker 1>exhibiting a scowl with his last breath. Towards the last

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<v Speaker 1>when asked if he suffered pain, he would say he

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<v Speaker 1>did in his breast and between his shoulders. He died

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<v Speaker 1>on the morning of September eighteen twenty about sunrise, the

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<v Speaker 1>fourteenth day after his arrival here. Boone died at Nathan's

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<v Speaker 1>home in fami O Sage Creek, Missouri, just west of St. Louis.

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<v Speaker 1>He was buried with Rebecca, who had passed away seven

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<v Speaker 1>years prior, near Martha'sville, Missouri. However, there is some drama.

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<v Speaker 1>In eighteen forty five, Boone's body was exhumed and moved

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<v Speaker 1>to Frankfort, Kentucky. However, in the nineteen eighties his grave

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<v Speaker 1>was dug up and forensic anthropologists believed that the skull

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<v Speaker 1>that was in the grave was that of an African American,

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<v Speaker 1>creating lore that they dug up the wrong body. To

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<v Speaker 1>this day, both cemeteries claim to have Daniel Boone's grave.

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<v Speaker 1>He was certainly acclaimed as a great explorer and leader,

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<v Speaker 1>but that was the place where you know, the boon

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<v Speaker 1>passed in the legend of his only stories and memories

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<v Speaker 1>after that, and the legend has continued to grow it

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<v Speaker 1>instead of fading away. I mean, most people die, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, even if the people who knew them, uh

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<v Speaker 1>forget them. Mostly the boon was necessary to American culture.

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<v Speaker 1>Why does some people become more and more famous and

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<v Speaker 1>most people do not. Boon gives us an image of

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<v Speaker 1>something we would like to be. Somebody who can has

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<v Speaker 1>no fear, who who can blend in with nature, who

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<v Speaker 1>sees nature as good and the Indians is good, and

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<v Speaker 1>takes the country westward. Of course, this brings up the

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<v Speaker 1>issue which Moon himself became aware of they during his life,

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<v Speaker 1>that he has taken people into the wilderness. He has

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<v Speaker 1>established civilization in a way, but he's also helped destroy

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<v Speaker 1>the indigenous culture and the game and the wilderness. What

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<v Speaker 1>he's done. This is divided him and you can look

1:09:20.000 --> 1:09:22.640
<v Speaker 1>at it in these different ways. And he realized that

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<v Speaker 1>he said as much that he has taken help take

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<v Speaker 1>the Indians content hunting ground. So he's very divided about

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<v Speaker 1>his career. He doesn't see it as just a great success,

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<v Speaker 1>but partly of failure. That the very thing he loves

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<v Speaker 1>so much has been destroyed are partly destroyed. So we

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<v Speaker 1>have to think about that that Daniel Boone is America,

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<v Speaker 1>he's us, and he's done these different things. But it

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<v Speaker 1>is not all good by any means. The westward expansion has,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, has some real drawbacks. Nobody would want to

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<v Speaker 1>give up California, a very few, but you know it

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<v Speaker 1>was taken from the Spaniards and from the Indians. So

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<v Speaker 1>Boone's story is really the story of this country good

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<v Speaker 1>and bad. Elizabeth Corbin, a relative by marriage of Boone,

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<v Speaker 1>wrote about the old backwoodsman, quote, he had a soft,

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<v Speaker 1>almost effeminate voice and extremely mild and pleasant manners. In fact, most,

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<v Speaker 1>if not all, of the old hunters who spent most

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<v Speaker 1>of their time in the deep solitude of the unbroken woods,

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<v Speaker 1>spoken soft, low tones. I do not, among my acquaintances,

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<v Speaker 1>recall an exception. As we consider Boone's influence on American ideals,

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<v Speaker 1>it reminds me of Teddy Roosevelt's famous line about speaking

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<v Speaker 1>softly but carrying a big stick. Boon Woun undoubtedly carried

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<v Speaker 1>a big one. In the final moments of Nathan Boone's

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<v Speaker 1>interview with Draper, he said, quote, my father, Daniel Boone,

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<v Speaker 1>was five ft eight inches high. He had broad shoulders

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<v Speaker 1>in a chest that tapered down. His usual weight was

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<v Speaker 1>around a hundred and seventy five pounds, but at one

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<v Speaker 1>period he exceeded two hundred pounds, and in his closing

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<v Speaker 1>years weighed only a hundred and fifty five pounds. His

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<v Speaker 1>hair was moderately black, eyes blue, and he had fair skin.

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<v Speaker 1>He never used tobacco in any form and was temperate

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<v Speaker 1>in everything. As we come to a close in our

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<v Speaker 1>Boon series. I'm thrilled for the insight we've gained and

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<v Speaker 1>learned about American identity and ourselves, but I'm slightly grieved.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been immersed into Boone's life in the last several months,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't want to leave. But maybe that's the point.

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<v Speaker 1>The values of our heroes can stay with us. So

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<v Speaker 1>much of what I value, particularly in nature, wildness, solitude,

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<v Speaker 1>and hunting, can be traced back to Boone. He defined

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<v Speaker 1>for us what a woodsman and a backwoodsman was, and

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<v Speaker 1>I now cherished those phrases more than ever, and I

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<v Speaker 1>want to carry them with dignity and responsibility in modern times.

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<v Speaker 1>At a larger scale, I think Boone was defined by

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<v Speaker 1>the quest for more. The modern American version of that

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<v Speaker 1>is an unsatiable quest for more stuff, more cars, more money,

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<v Speaker 1>more land, more prestige. But I think we have the

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<v Speaker 1>right to amend this, to redeem it. Quest and pursuit

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<v Speaker 1>are good things. I think we should all be on

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<v Speaker 1>a quest and undeterred by obstacles and trials. But we've

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<v Speaker 1>just got to make sure that we're questing after and

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<v Speaker 1>pursuing the right things, things that have more valued than

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<v Speaker 1>external wealth which will ultimately rust rot and cannot be

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<v Speaker 1>taken with us after we leave this place. Our country

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<v Speaker 1>is in a quandary to define a modern American identity.

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<v Speaker 1>My only input is this, the American backwoodsman has earned

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<v Speaker 1>the right to sit at the table and put his

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<v Speaker 1>fingerprint on these ideals. He's earned the right to exist

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<v Speaker 1>in modern times. Our conservation ethic has been honed by

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred years of experience, both good and bad, and indisputably,

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<v Speaker 1>we are leading the way and saving wildlife in the

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<v Speaker 1>wild places that we love. This is deeply an American

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<v Speaker 1>ideal that honors the native American land ethic and the

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<v Speaker 1>revamped modern think of the woodsman. Let the woodsman, the hunters,

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<v Speaker 1>and fishermen be stewards and protectors the wild that we

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<v Speaker 1>have left, and civilization and concrete spread like wildfire across

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<v Speaker 1>the landscape. We will protect them because we value them,

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<v Speaker 1>and we value them because of the words and lives

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<v Speaker 1>of our fathers, one of which was Boom tumble, little

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<v Speaker 1>guy rumbling gat wake up some couplet guy probing, gag prople,

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<v Speaker 1>little gat up cup Gady, My grandpa wa so little

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<v Speaker 1>guy rumbling, wake up a little girl, I'll take conboy

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<v Speaker 1>raised me upon. Rust in the dast as long as

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<v Speaker 1>you roll, long as your long as wrong, rust in

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<v Speaker 1>the dast to long you're all. That song was played

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<v Speaker 1>by Nick Shoulders