WEBVTT - Draft Show: 2018 NFL Combine Standouts 0:00:01.400 --> 0:00:05.840 Did. He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:09.920 your war room for in center news and draft analysis 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:13.360 from deep within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:18.280 Star in Pre School Dallas Cowboys Selectio Elliot and now 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:23.880 your hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us well. 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:26.040 We welcome you to the Draft Show here the SWBC 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:29.000 Mortgage Studios. Thank you very much for hanging out with 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:33.400 us today. I appreciate all the fine work guys like 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:35.879 Kent Garrison and our engineers here at the Star did 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:38.280 to get us on the air. It wasn't easy. We 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:42.720 have a basketball tournament here, the Conference USA Basketball tournament 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:44.879 is here at the at the Ford Center, and so 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:47.000 there's a lot of things going on in the air, 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:49.519 and that's what kind of got us knocked out. But 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:52.400 we're back because we've got really skillful people that are 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:56.080 doing great things behind the scenes. You got myself, Brian Broughts, 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:59.160 Dane Brugler, David Hellman, and as I mentioned, Kent Garrison, 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:02.280 executive producing guys. We just got back from the combine, 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:08.000 had the workouts yesterday. We saw the linebackers, defensive lineman 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:15.119 work on Sunday, and then we saw defensive backs workout yesterday, 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:18.320 So those kids were flying yesterday. Huh. Best athletes of 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:20.759 the group. I mean, yeah, we had such a great 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:26.400 first few days and then yes yesterday Monday, the DB's 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:31.600 Dante Jackson, Denzel Warg, Alexander we had I think it 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:35.720 was fifteen players under four to four, which is a 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:40.240 record for the combine. It's these guys, these athletes are 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:43.000 something else. Yeah, there's in David. I mean it was. 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:46.319 It's one of those things when you're watching those kids 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:48.400 work out, and I'm always one of those guys that 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:50.480 and we talked about this a bunch when we're Indie 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:54.240 that you know, if if I could see it on tape, 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:56.000 you know, if the workout, I mean, if I could 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:57.680 see it, you usually could tell if a guy can 0:01:57.720 --> 0:01:59.880 really really run or not. And but there were some 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:05.640 kids that that were that play that ran better than 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:08.079 how they play on tape. And then there's some kids 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:11.120 that said, okay, yeah, hey these guys can play. You 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:13.280 kind of get the match there with the two guys. 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:16.000 So and I'm thinking about the Alabama kids that the 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:19.680 two corners from Alabama and how different those guys were 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:22.480 as far as the speed if you know, you know, 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:25.839 with talking about Minka and Tony no with with well, 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:27.679 I was thinking about the corners, is what I was 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:31.840 thinking about? Yeah, yeah, avorite you know was a was 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:36.560 a official time of a fourth four three six and 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:39.160 then you know, and then but though his teammate was 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:42.520 in the four sixes, you know, so I mean I 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:45.280 was just kind of thinking about you know, Levi Wallace. 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:48.480 You know, they're both really really good players. So it's 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:49.960 just kind of it's one of those things sometimes you 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:52.280 see guys he's thinking, Man, he doesn't, he doesn't play 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:55.040 that way. He plays this way. But just your thoughts, though, 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:59.560 Dave is as we wrap that thing up, um, light 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:02.000 are my thoughts my? I mean, I think I said 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:05.000 this when we were still up in India. Is I'm 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:07.720 just confused. I can't. I can't wrap my head around 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:11.960 this draft class. And um the main thing for me 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:14.640 is maybe you know, I don't, and maybe it's because 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:16.000 I feel like we try to do such a good 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:19.000 job of turning over every stone before we get up there, 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:23.320 Like there's nobody, there's nobody who like really blew me 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:25.920 away at the combine who I didn't already feel good about. 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:27.760 There's no you know, I you know, a couple of 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.079 years ago Byron Jones is the famous one he kind 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:34.000 of like jumped into everybody's consciousness. I'm not. I'm not. 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:36.400 I'm not falling for it this year in terms of, like, 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:38.560 there's nobody that really just stands out to me in 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:41.640 terms of purely their combine. Uh So, you know, like 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:43.800 you guys love to say you use this to cross 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:46.640 check sure and that that works out really well and 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.120 in a lot of these cases of these elite talents 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:52.160 who had really great weekends at the combine. Other than that, 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:55.360 I'm not, I'm not super surprised by anything I saw. 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:58.440 And the main thing is, um, I don't think it 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:02.600 really did much to clear up this jumble of a draft, 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:04.680 at least not to this point. Not in my opinion, 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:07.760 kind of goes it kind of goes to the point 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:11.320 that maybe that the top of this thing might not 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:16.320 be is is. It's not easy. It's not easy at all. No, 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:19.640 But but I kind of feel like though maybe when 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:23.120 we're sitting in this studio on day two and then 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:27.679 going into day three, we're gonna have some fun. Everybody 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:30.320 loves the draft, but I know it's gonna be thrilling, 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:33.160 even in the first round. I think you think it's 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:37.000 gonna be thrilling. Yeah, what drafts not thrilling? But I 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:39.039 know the draft's thrilling. But I'm just saying, oh, you 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:40.960 just I like, but do you kind of feel like 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.120 it could go chalk? I mean, who we kind of? 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:46.320 I mean I'm looking at your mock draft and I'm 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:49.640 kind of thinking, Okay, I could see it go that way. 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:52.760 I'm firstly a lot better coming out of this combine 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:55.560 about these players than I think I've ever felt. I 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:57.800 don't know, I just I felt like what we sought 0:04:57.839 --> 0:04:59.800 the combine pretty much for the most part match what 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:01.720 we on tape. There's a few guys I want to 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:03.960 go back and look, you know, like Justin Reid from 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:08.880 Stanford off tape gave him borderline top one hundred grade. Yeah, 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:11.880 and he tested much better than he plays. Yeah, here's 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:16.640 my quote always on read his name is better than playing. 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:20.839 A name is better than tape. Younger brother of Verry Korey. Yeah, sure, 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:25.280 I just yeah, I actually I've watched him. Yeah, didn't 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:29.720 blow me away. Um, you know, guys like Troyaki from 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:32.360 Penn State safety who kind of fun to watch. Yeah, 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:34.880 you know his tape is. I didn't get around to 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:37.599 him until the week before the Combine, and I was 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:41.680 pleasantly surprised because he can play. He's kind of a 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:45.360 free safety or a strong safety and a free safety body. 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:49.480 He doesn't play for three the time that he produced 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:51.520 at the Combine. But he's not a bad athlete either. 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:54.320 He can run, he can hit. Not the best cover safety, 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:56.599 but there's a place in the NFL for a guy 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:58.880 like that, especially with what he can do on special teams. 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:00.480 And this is a guy that signed with Penn State 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:03.440 as a wide receiver, moved to safety, finally got on 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:05.960 the field as a senior as a full time starter, 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:08.880 and he took advantage of his opportunity. Him and Marcus 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:11.960 Allen put together a nice little safety combo. And I 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:15.680 mean Penn State that program itself. If they had the 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:18.200 Olympics for metals, not a great play, State would have 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:20.240 won the They would been the going away for the medals. 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:22.719 Penn Penn State people are gonna look back like like 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:24.360 people love to give and they were on and they 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:28.200 were on probation or they lost all those lost scholarship. Yeah, 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:30.839 I mean all the things. Yeah, I mean, and hey, 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:34.120 and we knew, we knew Berkeley, we knew I mean 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:36.919 Gasecki to a certain degree. He performed even better than 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:40.679 we expected. But apkey, Grant Haley had a great Grant Haley, 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:42.560 I mean, where did that come from? People are gonna 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:44.560 I'm a big fan of Grant Haley. He's a good player. 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:47.680 Like people make fun of LSU because Jarvis Landry and 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:49.840 Odell and Jeremy Hill all played there and they didn't 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:53.559 win anything. It's like, say, Quan and Gasecki and Chris 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:56.200 Godwin and Hamilton, we're all on this team and y'all 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:58.760 didn't win more stuff. And the best receiver from that 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:01.840 team is an under classman who will probably see next 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:03.800 We'll be talking about next year at this time. My god, 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:06.479 So Trace McSorley had plenty of talent around him, and 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:10.160 then on defense, they were just missing, like that stud 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:12.880 defensive lineman on that Penn State team because they had 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:16.160 everything else combind to linebacker. The secondary is full of 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:18.880 NFL dudes. Christian Campbell to corner didn't even work out. 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:21.800 He'll work out the Pro day. He's an NFL guy. Wait, 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:23.920 I want to hijack this for a second. I mean, okay, 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:26.640 it's a great three hundred marker Salad too. We didn't 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:29.120 even talk about him. Safety. Three hundred and thirty six 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:33.240 guys get invited all across the spectrum of the draft range. 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:36.480 But do you and you feel confident about these guys 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:38.320 because it matches what you've seen, But do you really 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:41.200 feel like the first round's gonna be chalk? Because I 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:45.040 think I just think what's gonna be. People are gonna 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:48.240 lock in. I think it's gonna be nuts. I think 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:51.920 it he's got this right, I mean it's not. I 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:54.280 don't think it'll be chalk. Well, I can break this 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:56.320 thing down for you. You're talking about who are the 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:58.800 wild cards in the first say fifteen picks. The thing 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:01.080 is we're gonna have trades. We always do, and sure, 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:04.120 but they're gonna trade. They're gonna trade for guys that 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.000 they're gonna trade up for guys that are that should 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:09.880 be picked. There. Let let okay, you're talking at least four, 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:12.480 if not five, huge upset you think in the top 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:16.400 fifteen huge upset. It's just it's where did the where 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:19.400 did the quarterbacks go? Okay, of course, but we kind 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:22.600 of think that the quarterbacks are all top fifteen worthy, 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:26.680 with the exception Worthies a separate conversation. But will they 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:30.520 go tough? Okay, Okay, I could see all five doing that. Okay, 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:32.160 when it's all set and done, I could see all 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:34.839 five give me the upset in the top fifteen. Let's well, 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:36.840 let's think about this and then the other point. On 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:40.280 top of all those quarterbacks, you got Quentin Nelson and 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:43.960 Saquon Barkley, who are widely regarded as probably the top 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:47.760 two prospects. Saw saw they play positions that people don't 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:49.959 want to draft. And I have not seen I have 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:54.400 not seen Quintin Nelson go any lower than nine. No, 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:56.640 and he will. I would be surprised if you see. 0:08:56.720 --> 0:09:00.160 To me, that's an upset. It qualifies to me as 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.520 an upset. If Quentin Nelson goes to the Bears at eight, 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:04.800 that's an upset based on everything y'all are telling me 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:07.439 about how good this guy. Sure, but we saw some guys, 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:10.120 some top five guys. I qualifies as an upset to me. 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:16.880 If I think this draft starts after fifteen at Arizona, Yeah, 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:18.360 I mean I get what you're saying, because I think 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:21.360 we have. Are you just discounting the first half? I 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:24.080 just think it's gonna date Bruglar. I think I keep 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:26.360 looking at his mock draft, I think he's gonna be 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:28.360 right well, and I agree with about the players. I 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:31.320 think some of the destinations and where they go, the marriages. 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:33.280 Maybe that's what I'm trying to say is I don't 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:35.760 think anybody's gonna be Who's gonna be Who's gonna be 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:39.760 the upset guy, the one guy that I think it's 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:42.080 messed us all up? Well, I'm gonna do an updated 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:47.760 mock draft later this week, and spoiler, my Cowboys pick 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:49.240 will be a guy we've been talking about as a 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:52.079 top fifteen player in this draft. Oh, okay, a guy 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:55.400 that's gonna fall a little bits. Tease he's not. He 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:58.080 doesn't play as college football in Tuscaloosa, does he? He 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:04.640 plays his college football in the United States? Are you who? Uh? 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:06.400 We'll tease that. We'll okay, I'll make sure and do 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:08.199 that mock before Thursday, our next half show. We just 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:11.080 talk about it. We can talk about that, um because 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:13.640 we know you love to do mock drafts. Yeah, but 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:16.480 mean out of the combine, it's only fair I'm serious. 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:18.520 I'm serious. I get what you're saying, because, yeah, you 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:22.440 know the tremain Edmunds, Yeah yeah, the Denzel Wars. Yeah, 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:24.400 you know Denzel Wars kind of get that. Go get 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:26.720 a little rhythm now, but little Okay, draft, I want 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:28.960 to clarify. I think Dane's got it right. I'm not 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:31.960 gonna be surprised by the fifteen players. I love the draft, 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:34.280 I mean, but I think we're gonna be very surprised 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:37.199 by where those fifteen guys go. I really do. But 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:39.679 whether it's trades, whether it's a guy falling, whether it's 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:43.360 some I mean, you know, like to me and y'all 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:45.719 are free to disagree. But like, if Baker Mayfield goes 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:49.400 in the top five, to me, that's surprising. But it might, 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:52.840 I mean, some team might decide that's the way that 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.200 they want to go. But it's the quarterbacks, right, that's 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:58.040 kind of the wild cards quarterbacks every year. Like, and 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:00.320 I think I don't think you can understand all the 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:03.280 fact that, like I said, two of the most well 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:06.000 rounded prospects in this class don't play sexy positions, at 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:07.800 least not in terms of the top of the draft board. 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:10.320 So I don't know. It's going to be interesting. It 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:14.360 will be interesting, especially with the quarterbacks and the trades 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:16.440 that we see. Again, first Domino that needs to fall 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:19.480 as Kirk Cousins, if he goes to Minnesota, then all 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:21.880 of a sudden, you know, the teams we've been talking about, 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:25.880 like the Jets, the Broncos, teams that were potentially looking 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:28.720 to get Kirk Cousins, they're going to be in the 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:31.920 quarterback market in But if kirk Cousins goes New York, 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:35.040 goes to Denver somewhere else, that eliminates a possibility in 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:38.560 the top fifteen. So it creates more intrigue about Buffalo 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:41.080 using twenty one and twenty two to trade up somewhere 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:44.079 in the top twelve to get their quarterback. It's it's 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:45.959 really going to be fascinating see how it plays out. 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:48.520 Let me let me ask you this, who walking away 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:51.240 from the combine, is there one two couple names that 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:54.359 stand out to you as guys that really helped themselves 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.920 just compared to perception going into the combine. That's a 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:02.720 really good question. Paired to perception, well, I think that 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:08.800 you know what, Let me ask you that perception being bad, bad, perception, perception. 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:13.319 How about this, okay, how about Ward being short? Yeah, definitely. 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:17.320 You know everybody's thinking, oh, he's a tiny guy. Well 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:19.880 five ten and seven eighth so eleven yea and over 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:23.080 thirty one. He's he's one of the best players in 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:26.480 his draft if he if But everybody's perception was he 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:31.720 was a tiny guy. I hate, you know, kind of exaggerating, 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:34.800 but he's a lock top ten pick. Sure, he is 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:36.560 a lock. I'll say that right now. He is a 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:39.560 locktop ten picks. You cannot get me one reason why 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:41.480 he's gonna fall out of the top ten. I know 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:43.400 he's not the biggest guy. He's not six two, five 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:47.240 eleven's fine, that's good enough. So Denzel Ward. If you're 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:49.679 doing a mock draft and Denzel war is not your 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:52.480 top ten, just crumble it up, start over. I swear 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:54.720 to God, I'm not doing this to just how to 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:56.120 be a bit. I'm not trying to I'm not trying 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:58.160 to piss Dayan off. But I mean, how many guys 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:01.960 grew two inches at the combine? I mean, not only 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:04.880 did DJ Moore grow two inches compared to what everybody 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:07.199 thought about him, our favorite wide receiver did too. He 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:10.520 ran a solid, much faster forty time than a lot 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:12.360 of people thought, so like two of the biggest things 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:15.960 on him. He corrected very very himself. Well, no, yeah, 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:19.719 him too. It's yeah, who did you say? DJ? We'll 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:22.920 say this about DJ Moore, right, you know, talking about 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:26.319 a guy like Rashaun Golden who didn't run or perform 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:29.440 as expected athletically. But I'm trusting the tape on now 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:33.000 one because it's it's one. Yeah. On the flip side, 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:35.720 as much as I love DJ Moore, he doesn't play 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:37.840 like a four four two athlete on film. No, but 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:39.480 I would agree with that. But I do feel good 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:42.920 about the forty time because it wasn't a four five six. Yeah, 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.960 and he plays on tape we thought four five five Well, 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:48.320 I mean I know I did. I can't speak for 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:50.040 you on that. I thought on tape he was a 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.480 four four eight to four or five two player, Okay, So, 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:54.560 and yeah, I was a little worried that. You know, 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:56.640 you just never know what the forty yard dash, you know, 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:59.640 the start, the finish, and it's easy to screw that 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:01.920 up as a you know, unless you have that track background. 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:04.880 But he was blazing and at the four four two. 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:06.920 He doesn't play like that, so I'm not gonna just 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:09.240 move him all the way up the draft board. But 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:12.280 coming in taller than expected, that's definitely a big deal. 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:15.280 And again top thirty. He was thirty overall my first 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:17.559 draft board. Hit my second draft board, he will definitely 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:20.240 be higher, mostly because of the height. Trying to think, 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:23.360 who else do you like? I'll give you a guy. 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:27.840 How about you like Chubbs numbers except for the three cone? Yeah, 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:32.080 is that amazing? This guy's the This guy is the 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:34.320 best pass rushing the draft. Yeah, he's a top five pick, 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:37.840 but we knew he's not a Von Miller guy, you know, 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:41.680 quick redirection. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, though, you're buying 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:44.800 into the fact he's a different type of rusher. Yeah, 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:47.640 you know, he's a guy that can he has good 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.520 get off, he can use his power mid rush. Uh, 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:54.800 uses that length and that forward balance. He's not that 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:58.320 quick redirection guy. He's gonna drop playing space. So the 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:01.920 three cone doesn't bother me too much much. Uh, he's 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:03.520 a top five pick. Could you check the numbers on 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:06.960 Tevin Bryan from Florida or a d lineman for nine 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:11.000 eight that that doesn't seem like him, doesn't. Yeah that 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:13.840 that he's a fantastic athlete. That's what I'm saying, though, 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:15.280 I mean, there were some of these guys that I'm 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:17.200 kind of looking at. I'm looking at it. I'm going 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:20.920 you know, the twenty shuttle four for eight, that doesn't 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:22.760 seem right for a guy like that that plays with 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:24.840 the explosiveness that he does. I know, and a lot 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:27.680 of people ask me about him. He's the undertackle from 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:31.640 Florida that people came to with with with the situation 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:35.240 with Hurst and you know, our thoughts with him. But now, okay, 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:37.400 some of these three techniques are going to be I mean, 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:39.160 he's he could be very well one of those guys 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:42.400 that's in the mix for that, you know. Yeah, I 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:43.960 mean I don't know. I'm with you though. I like 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.680 Davin Bran with you. I love what you just did. 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:48.960 He didn't even let him say anything. Oh I knew 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.120 what he was doing, you know, my side by Now 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:53.000 I knew it's work when you work with somebody for 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:55.280 five years and you and you and you know exactly 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:58.080 what he's gonna say. I get it. Yeah. My comparison 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:02.120 for Tavin Bryan is Robert Candici not off the field. 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:06.840 On the field. Yeah that's good. Yeah, good clarification, you know, 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:11.360 and that one a very athletic pass rusher who there's 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:14.920 some discipline issues again on the field, not off the field. Uh, 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:18.680 just doesn't really know what he's doing. You. Flashes are great, 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:20.920 but again you're just if you're taking him in the 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:23.760 top twenty five, you're banking on the rest catching up 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:26.800 because he's for him to live up to that, I 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:29.480 have a draft pick, uh what about you know, we 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:31.960 didn't really get a chance to as a draft show 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:36.000 to recap uh some of these defensive positions. Yeah. A 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:38.760 guy that really stood up for me yesterday Monday with 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:42.840 their dB group was Gyre Alexander from Louisville. Yeah, talking 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:44.880 to me, he made a name for himself for sure 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:47.000 in my Good Football Player my first draft board, he 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:50.880 was nineteen overall as my my number four corner. I 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:54.360 had Minca, Denzel Ward, Mike Hughes, and then Gayre Alexander 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:57.240 top twenty pick. And you know, I I heard it 0:16:57.320 --> 0:16:59.520 from a lot of people because I had him ahead 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:02.440 of Jackson. I heard a lot of people asking me 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:05.320 about that, and coming out of the combine, I feel 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:07.240 even stronger about it with the way they performed. And 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:09.680 Gi Alexander not the biggest guy, just a hair over 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:11.920 five to ten, Yeah, but fourth, three, eight and the 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:16.800 forty great numbers across the board. He's the short shuttle. 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:19.920 He's a big time player. Yeah that's six was it? Six? 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:24.520 Seven one in the three cone? Yeah? Come on, you 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:27.600 know what I would, I would short shuttle. Yeah. So 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:29.639 I'm saying I would push you. I would you, and 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:32.840 I would Roman Greco wrestle. If you said that you 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:35.040 had him over, if you didn't have if you had 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:38.800 Jackson over him, Well, if you Josh Jackson your least 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:42.680 favorite big time prospect. I love that king kid last 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:45.120 year from Iowa and I and I and I respect 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:48.040 the heck out of Iowa players. That Joe, that Jewel. 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:50.200 I don't care what he runs. Throw on the tape. 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:53.040 He's a good player. Yeah, say that's what I'm saying. 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:55.200 Throw on the tape. Put on the tape. These guys 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:58.480 make plays. Just throw on the tape. See that's again. 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:02.720 I Alexander the whole time, I was like, well he 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:05.480 ran that. I'm just kinda so that's what he that's 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:08.399 how he is. That's the type of player he is. 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:09.919 This tape will tell you a lot if you just 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:12.320 watch it, as long as the medicals are Okay, he's 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:15.080 he's a top twenty player. Please. Well he plays cornerback too. 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:17.560 I mean yes again, not the biggest guy. You can't 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:20.840 discount that. Uh. And then one other guy who we 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:23.800 might need to wrest, Dante Jackson. We might wrestle over 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:30.000 this one, Layton Vanderesh. Some of those numbers, man, Oh, 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:32.520 I'm just I'm gonna lose sixty four, two hundred and 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:35.360 fifty six pounds thirty four inch arms. Well, I am 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:37.199 not going to go down the Joey Bosa path on 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:39.520 this four sixty five forty yard dash thirty nine and 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:42.200 a half in verse six, eight eighty three cone. Good 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:45.399 for him, this is that's impressive. I'm glad. I'm glad 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:47.960 that I like. I don't watch the Cowboys take that guy. 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:49.600 I'd have to watch him play for four year. You 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:51.240 won't be there at fifty. I promise you that I 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:56.159 don't pretend to be a scout. So, oh, nineteen, you 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:59.159 can't rule it out. Nineteen he's gonna I think I 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:02.120 asked you for shocking things in the top fift there's 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:04.600 a better chance he goes late first round than early second. Okay, 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:08.960 I agree late so I nineteen is That's what I'm saying. 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:11.840 If he's gonna go late first round, then he at 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:14.480 least needs to be walk. I wonder if I walk 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:17.240 the draft if if he if he used to pick you, 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:20.760 just leave the studio. I take my headset off, just 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:23.719 finish it out that we'll see great story is a 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:26.640 great kid. You'll love him here in Dallas. I watched him. 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:29.000 I watched him play, and I didn't come away impressed. 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:31.520 But if if Dane tells me he's a guy, I'm 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:34.359 just gonna trust the expert. I watched his first the 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:37.880 first half of the season, and I was, he's gonna 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:40.040 but you know doesn't get Then you watch that Oregon 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:41.760 game and you fell in love with him because they 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:44.160 couldn't block him because they kept messing up the second 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:46.600 level block. Not just as the Oregon game, but the 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:49.040 second half of the season. I thought, he I saw, 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:51.040 I will sit down to watch Hutter. I will sit 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:53.000 down and watch him. I see a guy where the 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:56.960