WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: Manic Monday

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, get everybody on Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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<v Speaker 1>The Bengals Booth Podcast. The just another Manic Monday addition,

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<v Speaker 1>as we get to set from Monday Night Football in

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<v Speaker 1>Cleveland as the four and three Bengals take on the

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<v Speaker 1>two and five Browns. Coming up, I'll talk to the

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<v Speaker 1>new voice of Monday Night Football on ESPN, Joe Buck

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<v Speaker 1>Dave Lapham ways in on a topic that Bengals fans

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<v Speaker 1>don't seem too concerned about anymore, the offensive line. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>chat with Sam Hubbard and get his reaction to something

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<v Speaker 1>that Chris Collinsworth recently said on this podcast that Sam

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<v Speaker 1>is quote, one of the best football players that I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen on tape. And finally, you know the faux segment,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get the latest on the Browns from Zack Jackson,

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<v Speaker 1>who covers the team for The Athletic. The Bengals Booth

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest thing since I An Eagle getting to broadcast

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<v Speaker 1>the Final Four. Jim Nance recently announced that this year's

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<v Speaker 1>Final Four in Houston will be the last one that

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<v Speaker 1>he will broadcast for CBS, and the network immediately named

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<v Speaker 1>Ian Eagle as his replacement. If you've heard Ian before

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<v Speaker 1>as a guest on this podcast, you know that we

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<v Speaker 1>are longtime friends, so I'm happy for him personally, but

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<v Speaker 1>I am also thrilled to see a great broadcaster finally

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<v Speaker 1>get the opportunity to shine on a huge stage. Ian

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<v Speaker 1>will do a tremendous job of calling future Final Fours,

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully a few that include the UC Bearcats or insert

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<v Speaker 1>your school of choice. Now let's get to my first guest,

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<v Speaker 1>a guy who has certainly had opportunities to shine on

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<v Speaker 1>a huge stage, as he's called seven Super Bowls and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three World Series. I met this guy when we

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<v Speaker 1>were young minor league baseball announcers just getting started, and

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<v Speaker 1>now he's one of the best play by play guys

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<v Speaker 1>to ever do it. My friend Joe Buck, Joe, it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like you and Troy are having a ball doing

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<v Speaker 1>Monday night football. I think sometimes change is good. Has

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<v Speaker 1>change reinvigorated the two of you? It has, But let

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<v Speaker 1>me start by saying, I remember those days in Triple

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<v Speaker 1>A baseball. You had more hair. I had about the

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<v Speaker 1>same amount of hair. I just have gone the hair

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<v Speaker 1>transplant road and here we are in twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>But thanks for that, and you're you're one of the best.

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<v Speaker 1>I've always loved listening to you, and I appreciate coming on.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a blast. I didn't know what to expect,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I think ESPN was always kind of that

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<v Speaker 1>that dark cloud over on the horizon, like do I

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<v Speaker 1>really want to go to ESPN because it Fox? They

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<v Speaker 1>kind of left me alone, and in the best possible way.

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<v Speaker 1>I loved every minute that I was there. But you're right,

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<v Speaker 1>change has been great. I think it's it's given a

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<v Speaker 1>shot of life to Boute, Troy and me. ESPN has

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<v Speaker 1>been great to work for. The games have been fun.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is normally a month where I'm I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know where I am when I wake up, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what sport I'm doing that night, But having

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<v Speaker 1>just one game a week, it feels like stealing so

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<v Speaker 1>it's been great and hopefully that comes through on the air.

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<v Speaker 1>It definitely does so. This past Monday night, during the

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<v Speaker 1>Patriots Bears game, ESPN ran a promo for the upcoming

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<v Speaker 1>game between the Bengals and Browns, and it was obvious

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<v Speaker 1>how excited Troy Aikman was that Joe Burrow was coming

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<v Speaker 1>up next week. He referred to him as an assassin.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think of Joe on and off the field.

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<v Speaker 1>He's awesome and there are so many organizations that are

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<v Speaker 1>dying to have a Joe Burrow everywhere we go. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you look at one team after the next, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>handful of guys that you know, the obvious ones, and

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<v Speaker 1>then there's Joe Burrow, who's a stud on and off

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<v Speaker 1>the field. I think he's a leader. I think he

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<v Speaker 1>says all the right things coming off the game they're

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<v Speaker 1>coming off of, which was I mean that that's them

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<v Speaker 1>at their best against Atlanta and showing all those weapons

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<v Speaker 1>on the outside, and Tyler Boyd has a big game.

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<v Speaker 1>Just when you go into a game and you know

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<v Speaker 1>Dan when you're going to see a lot of offense.

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<v Speaker 1>That's those are the fun games to call. So for

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<v Speaker 1>a quarterback, like Troy, and the game's changed so much

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<v Speaker 1>since Troy built his Hall of Fame career. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>the statistics are crazy now with three hundred yard games,

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<v Speaker 1>four hundred yard games by quarterbacks. But man, it's I

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<v Speaker 1>can't wait to go there. We've only had him a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of times, and you know we've got him also

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<v Speaker 1>late in the year at Buffalo against Buffalo at home,

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<v Speaker 1>so this will be one of two and I can't

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<v Speaker 1>wait to watch it. We're visiting the Joe Buck TV

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<v Speaker 1>loves star Power. The Bengals have Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase,

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<v Speaker 1>te Higgins, Joe Mix, and Trey Hendrickson, whatever name you

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<v Speaker 1>want to pick out. Do you look at the Bengals

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<v Speaker 1>as one of the quote unquote sexiest teams in the NFL?

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<v Speaker 1>I do you know? I mean, you know, they're the

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<v Speaker 1>AFC champs. I think people will kind of forget that.

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<v Speaker 1>I know they don't dare, but around the NFL and

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's got Buffalo Bills fever and oh my gosh, the

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<v Speaker 1>Buffalo Bills. The Bengals are the reigning AFC champions, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, had every reason to feel good about that

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<v Speaker 1>Super Bowl. I know they didn't get it done. But

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<v Speaker 1>they were right there with the Rams. So yes they are.

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<v Speaker 1>They are a sexy team. They are a star studded team,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's what these networks latch onto. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's what the casual fanland latches onto. Why the NFL

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<v Speaker 1>is so popular. I mean, it doesn't matter who they're playing.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think it's good that it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 1>divisional battle and all that, but you've got players that

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<v Speaker 1>are on everybody's fantasy football team, and everybody salivates to

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<v Speaker 1>coming off a game like they're coming off of. So

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<v Speaker 1>give me star power, give me Burrow. We'll have cameras.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's ESPN. Well if cameras all over him

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<v Speaker 1>as he's getting dressed, let alone walking into the stadium.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that that stuff sells on TV. After the

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<v Speaker 1>Row and two start, the Bengals have gone four and

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<v Speaker 1>one since. Did you have any doubts early? And if so,

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<v Speaker 1>are they gone? They're gone? Yeah? I think everybody would

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<v Speaker 1>have doubts. You know, when you come back off of

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<v Speaker 1>loss in the Super Bowl, all the changes on the

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<v Speaker 1>offensive line. That line seems to be getting better and

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<v Speaker 1>better as they grow together and kind of mesh so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, man, this it wasn't just that they lost,

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<v Speaker 1>it was the way they lost and how the offense looked.

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<v Speaker 1>And then all of a sudden, here they are. So

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<v Speaker 1>the any doubts I had are erased. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I see this team as one of the top three

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<v Speaker 1>teams in the AFC, and maybe the top two. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that matchup with Buffalo is going to be like

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<v Speaker 1>a champ game. I'm just hoping to God everybody stays

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<v Speaker 1>healthy between now and the end of the season. So

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<v Speaker 1>the Browns have dropped four in a row. There's still

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<v Speaker 1>four games away from Deshaun Watson coming back from his suspension.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think are a few of the keys

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<v Speaker 1>on Monday Night? Well, everybody there is screaming for them

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<v Speaker 1>to run the ball more. And when we've had the Browns,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they've got three running backs that are really talented.

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<v Speaker 1>They are banged up a little bit on their offensive line,

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<v Speaker 1>They've got a good offensive line. When everybody's there, you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have Deshaun Watson. They do have Jacoby Brissette,

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<v Speaker 1>which to me means you better concentrate on running the football.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that he's the quarterback point in his

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<v Speaker 1>career that you hang your hat on go He's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>just take you up and down the field and win games.

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<v Speaker 1>They need to kind of go back to old school football,

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<v Speaker 1>So I expect them to come in running the ball

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, trying to keep Joe Burrow off the field.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the other part of this equation. I think when

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<v Speaker 1>you're playing Cincinnati playing Buffalo, you're playing Kansas City and

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<v Speaker 1>that's the other team of the top three in the AFC.

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<v Speaker 1>You're trying to keep that other guy off the field.

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<v Speaker 1>So if they don't come in and try to pound

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<v Speaker 1>the football, I would be stunned, just because of how

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<v Speaker 1>good Cincinnati is offensively. Joe, You've mentioned that Cincinnati Buffalo

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<v Speaker 1>game a couple of times. That's the final Monday Night

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<v Speaker 1>game of the year January second at pay Course Stadium

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<v Speaker 1>in Cincinnati. When the schedule came out and you saw

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals Bills early January, did you think this could be

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<v Speaker 1>the game of the year on Monday Night football? I did.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there are a couple that jumped out of me,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were AFE West games, and I think the

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<v Speaker 1>AFC West has been a dud so far. Compared to

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<v Speaker 1>what everybody thought it would be rams at Green Bay

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas Week the Monday before Christmas, it was like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's typically a game. I was doing a Fox

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<v Speaker 1>and now we're doing it on Monday Night Football at ESPN.

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<v Speaker 1>But that was the one. It's like, we're gonna build

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<v Speaker 1>all season long, both on the field and in the

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<v Speaker 1>booth to see what should be a hell of a

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<v Speaker 1>game on that last Monday Night. So yes, that was

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<v Speaker 1>the one that I circled. I'm glad it's at the end.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of that carrot at the end of the

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<v Speaker 1>race that keeps you going all year. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we got a long way to go between now and then,

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<v Speaker 1>and again it's injuries that that's the only thing that

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<v Speaker 1>scares me. But that's gonna be a great night. Final

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<v Speaker 1>question for Joe Buck. Your dad was one of the

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<v Speaker 1>great baseball broadcasters of all time, but he was also

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<v Speaker 1>the voice of Monday Night Football on national radio for decades.

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<v Speaker 1>How did that impact your love of the NFL and

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<v Speaker 1>your love for now doing Monday Night football? Dan I

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<v Speaker 1>grew up in the back of the broadcast booth for

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<v Speaker 1>baseball down in Saint Louis, a bush stadium. That's that

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<v Speaker 1>was my playground as a little boy. But my dad

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<v Speaker 1>took me on a lot of road trips and I

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<v Speaker 1>was in the back of the booth and Monday Night

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<v Speaker 1>Football when he was doing the games with Hank Stram.

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<v Speaker 1>But I've told this a couple of times. When I

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<v Speaker 1>was a little kid, I was my dad was my hero. Was'

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<v Speaker 1>until the day he died, still is to this day.

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<v Speaker 1>But I used to go to those games, like my

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<v Speaker 1>dad is the coolest guy going on the planet. He's

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<v Speaker 1>doing Monday Night Football on the radio. And then they

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<v Speaker 1>basically made a broom closet into the radio booth and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking two booths down at Howard Cosell and Frank

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<v Speaker 1>Gifford and Don Meredith and bright lights and yellow jackets

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<v Speaker 1>and all that. It just like, man, I thought what

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<v Speaker 1>my dad did was cool. So he's been gone for

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years now, he'd be over the moon that I

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<v Speaker 1>was doing this and kind of made a family decision

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<v Speaker 1>to change up my work life. So it's it's it's true.

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<v Speaker 1>He was the voice of Monday Night Football for over

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<v Speaker 1>ten years, just on the radio side. And there was

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<v Speaker 1>an article that somebody sent me a while ago where

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<v Speaker 1>he was talking about the phenomenon that at the time

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<v Speaker 1>people either loved or hated Howard Cosell, and everybody was

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<v Speaker 1>turning down the volume on TV and listening to my

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<v Speaker 1>dad and Hank do the game on the radio. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe they're still doing that. I don't know with me

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<v Speaker 1>doing the TV with Troy, but hopefully not. We're having

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<v Speaker 1>a blast and I know my dad would be really proud.

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<v Speaker 1>High lied. I have one more question. Monday night is Halloween.

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<v Speaker 1>Will we see the yellow jackets on Halloween Night? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>The problem is that that's kind of been that was

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<v Speaker 1>our plan to the last couple of weeks. They gave

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<v Speaker 1>us like kind of joke Monday night yellow blazers that

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<v Speaker 1>look awful. I mean they are so cheap and so

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<v Speaker 1>the stitching in it, the fabrics pulling it doesn't really

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<v Speaker 1>fit well. The Troy's like, I don't know if we

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<v Speaker 1>should wear those, you know, he's mister straight list. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wearing it. I don't care if you wear it

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<v Speaker 1>or not. I may go to a thrift shop here

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<v Speaker 1>in Saint Louis and by the nastiest seventies dress shirt

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<v Speaker 1>with a fat wide maroon tie and just leaded rip.

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<v Speaker 1>But I am wearing it. Troy can do whatever he wants.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll be on me. I love it. Can't wait to

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<v Speaker 1>see it on Monday night and I get to see

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<v Speaker 1>it in person, which is going to be fun. Joe,

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate your time, keep up the great work, and

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<v Speaker 1>thanks so much for joining us. Yeah, you keep up

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<v Speaker 1>the great work. I'll see him Monday. The Bengals Booth

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<v Speaker 1>scored thirty and thirty five points and Joe Burrow has

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<v Speaker 1>put up insane numbers. Six touchdown passes, two touchdown runs,

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<v Speaker 1>no interceptions, seven hundred one passing yards and a passer

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<v Speaker 1>rating of one thirty three has appendeck to me and

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<v Speaker 1>resulting weight loss is clearly no longer an issue and

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<v Speaker 1>you don't hear much griping these days about the Bengals

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<v Speaker 1>offensive line from fans and media. According to Pro Football Focus,

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<v Speaker 1>over the past three weeks. The Bengals O line has

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<v Speaker 1>graded as the fourth best in the NFL in pass blocking.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's my broadcast partner, Dave Lapham. The offensive line improvement

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<v Speaker 1>is significant and it's obvious, and I think it's health

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<v Speaker 1>related as well. Elsie had back issues, didn't do much

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<v Speaker 1>at training camp at all. You know, when you're in

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<v Speaker 1>a situation where you can't take reps next to each

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<v Speaker 1>other for all a training camp, which is what the

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<v Speaker 1>situation was that they were facing there. You have Elsie

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<v Speaker 1>had had the back issue, Alex Kappa had the core problem.

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<v Speaker 1>So the right side of the offensive line really didn't

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<v Speaker 1>do much at all, you know, working with each other

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<v Speaker 1>at training camp. So and then Joe Burrow's injury, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>with the appendix appendeck to mey appendicitis that caused the surgery,

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<v Speaker 1>the appendectomy. He didn't play too much at training camp.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have those three components are major that it

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<v Speaker 1>took him a while time on task, a few reps.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Burrow and the opener against Pittsburgh was not the

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Burrow that we've we've come to love Joe Burrow

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<v Speaker 1>here in the last month. Is the Joe Borrow that

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<v Speaker 1>we know and love. Same thing with LC, same thing

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<v Speaker 1>with Alex Kappa. They've gotten healthier, they've taken reps, time

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<v Speaker 1>on task, everybody's working together. I think I think that

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<v Speaker 1>the health of Joe Burrow, the health of the offensive line,

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<v Speaker 1>the number of reps that they've taken. I can remember

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the fact that I thought in later September

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<v Speaker 1>they'd be better than they were in the beginning of September,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that was the case. Now that we're

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<v Speaker 1>closing in on the end to October, they're playing. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell you, Alex Kappa, he's playing good football at right guard.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm telling his past protection is very, very good. And

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<v Speaker 1>Elc cam Jordan is a is a great football player.

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<v Speaker 1>He went down there against the Saints and just locked

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<v Speaker 1>him up. I mean that was his best game. So

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<v Speaker 1>he showed what he still can do. And Kappa, now

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<v Speaker 1>that he's healthy, he is he's playing good football. Alex

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<v Speaker 1>ted Carris at the center position is showing, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the leadership and the ability that the Bengals holts when

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<v Speaker 1>they signed him. So those three signings people were concerned

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<v Speaker 1>about at the beginning of the season. Now that they're

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<v Speaker 1>healthy and they've got some time on task and they've

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<v Speaker 1>established a little bit of rhythm. They're playing well. That

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<v Speaker 1>group's playing pretty darn well, and I think it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to continue. After being sacked thirteen times in the first

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<v Speaker 1>two games, Joe Burrow, He's only been sacked eleven times

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals allowed one hundred seven rushing yards on twenty

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<v Speaker 1>nine attempts. That's three point seven yards per carry to

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<v Speaker 1>one of the best running teams in the league. They'll

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<v Speaker 1>need a similar performance on Monday night against the Cleveland

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<v Speaker 1>team that features NFL rushing leader Nick Chubb. He's on

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<v Speaker 1>a pace to run for nearly eighteen hundred yards this

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<v Speaker 1>year and averages five point nine yards per carry. Sam

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<v Speaker 1>Hubbard is one of the NFL's best run stopping defensive ends,

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<v Speaker 1>and I caught up with him this week. Sam, it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like you are always doing something to get your

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<v Speaker 1>body ready for game day. Can you give us a

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<v Speaker 1>sense of all the things you'd do to get ready

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<v Speaker 1>for the riggers of this job. I think going through

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<v Speaker 1>my routine on a week to week basis to get

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<v Speaker 1>myself to Sunday, to walk through it day by day

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<v Speaker 1>would take too long. But I try and utilize every

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<v Speaker 1>every minute an opportunity I can. I think five years,

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<v Speaker 1>I've had some time to just get my routine a

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<v Speaker 1>little better every year, and that's what it's all about.

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<v Speaker 1>James Harrison was here back in twenty thirteen. He estimated

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<v Speaker 1>to us that he spent between four hundred thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred thousand dollars a year. I'm therapists, acupuncturists, etc.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you spend like a crazy amount of money just

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<v Speaker 1>maintaining your physique. I wouldn't say more money, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>I would say it's time and energy. I you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a great massaas person his name is Jim

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<v Speaker 1>Nabby that I work with, who is you know, my

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<v Speaker 1>secret weapon? And also Chef Kim on my food. Those

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<v Speaker 1>are some expenses, but a lot of us just spending

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<v Speaker 1>time in the weight room, doing a rehab, prehab, recovering, sleep,

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<v Speaker 1>going to bed early. A lot of this stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>over time can get pretty tedious, but it's necessary as

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<v Speaker 1>that evolved a lot in your NFL career. Yeah, definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>Each year I just try and get a little bit better,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think now I'm feeling as healthy, strong, and

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<v Speaker 1>as good as I can as I've ever felt going

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<v Speaker 1>into later part of the season in my career or

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<v Speaker 1>visiting with Sam Hubbard. I interviewed Chris Collinsworth before the

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday night game in Baltimore. He said, I have not

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<v Speaker 1>seen a better player on tape this year than Sam Hubbard.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to ask you not to be too modest.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you feel like you're all around game is as

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<v Speaker 1>good it's just about any defensive lineman in the NFL. H. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be, you know, talking myself up

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<v Speaker 1>too much, but I take a lot of pride in,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, doing things that not everyone does all the

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<v Speaker 1>time at a very high level. You know, whether it's

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<v Speaker 1>playing the run, you know, running screens down or being

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<v Speaker 1>disciplined backside, or you know, just communication on defense. I

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<v Speaker 1>just think that every part of it makes you what

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<v Speaker 1>you are as a football player, and I just, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>want that for from the respect to my teammates and

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<v Speaker 1>the players that I play, and I think just over time,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to earn your respect in this league and

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<v Speaker 1>being consistent and doing things to play and play out.

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<v Speaker 1>I think is my past to earn in my respect

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<v Speaker 1>in this league. Let me follow up, I'm playing the run.

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<v Speaker 1>Sacks equal recognition, sacks equal huge money doesn't annoy you

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<v Speaker 1>at all. That's stopping the run doesn't get the attention

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<v Speaker 1>that sacking the quarterback does. Attention is great and all that,

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<v Speaker 1>but I like winning games. I think, you know, part

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<v Speaker 1>of stopping the run and stuff took us to a

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<v Speaker 1>super Bowl and it's gonna be a huge part to

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<v Speaker 1>getting us back there in the future. You know. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm you know, happy with winning games, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>we got a lot of great players that deserve recommend recognition,

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<v Speaker 1>and my time will come. You and Trey Hendrickson have

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting dynamic as the primary defense it ends for

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals. He seems a little nutty, especially on game day.

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<v Speaker 1>You are as consistent, as level and as level headed

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<v Speaker 1>as they come. Do you guys feed off each other? Yeah, definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we push each other day and day out,

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<v Speaker 1>not just on game day. On game day. We kind

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<v Speaker 1>of know how each other operates, and I have a

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<v Speaker 1>really good relationship in that sense. But day and day out,

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<v Speaker 1>it's we always say great, yin and yang on. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>things we do well and the other person does not

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<v Speaker 1>so well or they do even better. It's a great relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>We're chatting with Sam Hubbard. There's an old saying, without

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<v Speaker 1>the bitter, the sweet isn't as sweet. The Bengal struggled

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<v Speaker 1>your first three years. Now Cincinnati's one of the best

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<v Speaker 1>teams in the NFL. Is it sweeter? Definitely? I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's just more so. I've been through some dark days

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<v Speaker 1>and dark times, and I enjoy these wins and all

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<v Speaker 1>the success, but I hate losing more than anything in

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<v Speaker 1>the world. So I don't want to go back there,

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<v Speaker 1>and I do everything in my power to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that we have put that in the past and we

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<v Speaker 1>just keep moving forward in this direction. We're on. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the Browns. This is one of the best

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<v Speaker 1>running teams in the NFL. But it's not complicated, right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not too complicated. But what they are, they are,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the best in the league. Got the best

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<v Speaker 1>running back in the NFL, probably the best offensive line

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<v Speaker 1>in the NFL. Great coaches, great scheme, you really just

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<v Speaker 1>have to be better than them, and that's what it

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<v Speaker 1>comes down to in the run game. And that's no

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<v Speaker 1>easy task, but we're gonna give it our best shot.

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<v Speaker 1>Describe trying to tackle Nick Chubb. It's hard. He is

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<v Speaker 1>strong and you just bounce off him. It's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>unlike anything I've ever played against. You really got to

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<v Speaker 1>wrap up and you need more than one guy to

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<v Speaker 1>bring him down. Don't even try and think about getting

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<v Speaker 1>the ball out and until you've got him secured, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's a challenge, and he is the best back in

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL in my opinion. Last thing when I was

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<v Speaker 1>a kid, Monday night football was it. There wasn't Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>night football. There wasn't Thursday night football. This was the

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<v Speaker 1>primetime show. Is it still a big deal for you

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<v Speaker 1>guys to play at Monday night? Oh? Yeah, it's Monday

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<v Speaker 1>night football. This is a one of the biggest stages

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<v Speaker 1>in the game. It's an honor. It's a rare opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to get once a year if that, and a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people are gonna be watching. It's gonna be fun.

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<v Speaker 1>You've been awesome this year on and off the field.

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<v Speaker 1>We greatly appreciate it. Thanks for your time and best

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<v Speaker 1>of luck. Yeah, thanks for having me appreciate it. In

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<v Speaker 1>seven previous games against the Bengals, Nick Chubb has average

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<v Speaker 1>ninety four point six rushing yards and it's no coincidence

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<v Speaker 1>that the Browns are six and one in those games.

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<v Speaker 1>covers the Browns for the Athletic and joined Lapping Me

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<v Speaker 1>this week on the Bengals Game Plan Show. The Browns

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<v Speaker 1>are seven games into Deshaun Watson's eleven game suspension. How

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<v Speaker 1>has Jacoby Brissette been? He's played better than anybody gave

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<v Speaker 1>him a credit for or a chance to. That starts

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<v Speaker 1>with me when I say everybody, I think that bringing

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<v Speaker 1>for the organization too. Now, he's not been great in

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<v Speaker 1>the fourth quarter in one in particular, killed them. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of been the story. Is They've been really

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<v Speaker 1>in every game but one to the end, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>been different things that have sumped them and a lack

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<v Speaker 1>of connectivity. But you know, they knew what they were

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<v Speaker 1>signing up for, right, and it's really been more the

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<v Speaker 1>defense letting them die. I think Jacoby Brissette is what

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<v Speaker 1>they want in the meeting room, on the practice field

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<v Speaker 1>and all that leads up to Monday or Sunday or

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<v Speaker 1>Monday in this case, right, And I think they're coaching

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<v Speaker 1>around some of his limitations. I think he's been pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he'll be a starter next year for some

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<v Speaker 1>team that's trying to nurture a young guy along now

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<v Speaker 1>with three of the Bengals, you want to be up

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<v Speaker 1>ten or fourteen and make him beat you, right. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think Jacoby Brissett, on the long, long list of

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<v Speaker 1>Brown's problems that would take us this whole show to

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<v Speaker 1>go over, is not real high on that list. The

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<v Speaker 1>offensive line, that's that's my question. I have tremendous amount

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<v Speaker 1>of respect for Bill Callahan. I think he's one of

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<v Speaker 1>the best offensive line coaches that has ever done it

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<v Speaker 1>in the National Football League, And I have a big

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<v Speaker 1>had a big ghost and still do have a big

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<v Speaker 1>dost of respect for the Cleveland Browns offensive line. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought beginning of the season top three, top five in

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<v Speaker 1>the National Football League. Have they played that way? They've

0:24:47.960 --> 0:24:50.000
<v Speaker 1>played that way some of the time, Dave, not all

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<v Speaker 1>the time. And they're probably going to be without Pro

0:24:52.359 --> 0:24:55.120
<v Speaker 1>Bowl guard Wyatt Teller. Again, they're not going to completely

0:24:55.160 --> 0:24:56.800
<v Speaker 1>rule him out with the extra day, but with the

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<v Speaker 1>bye week behind, they're probably going to sit him. The

0:24:59.640 --> 0:25:01.680
<v Speaker 1>left Chael Wills, the young guys been up and down.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good line. It's part of a good offense,

0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:07.560
<v Speaker 1>and they run it and they disguise the run well.

0:25:08.359 --> 0:25:10.439
<v Speaker 1>Joel Beatonio is as good as it gives him. He

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<v Speaker 1>might be a Hall of Famer someday as a guard.

0:25:12.560 --> 0:25:14.840
<v Speaker 1>They've plugged in Ethan Pochick as a center who's been

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<v Speaker 1>a veteran and been solid, and Jack Halkins come back

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<v Speaker 1>from injury. So yeah, I mean, when you look at

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<v Speaker 1>this game and the Bengals still not having DJ Reader,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the Browns offensive line and Nick Chubb and

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<v Speaker 1>then Kareem Hunt, you know, to give the Browns a chance.

0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:29.680
<v Speaker 1>That to me is one of the key areas, and

0:25:29.960 --> 0:25:31.720
<v Speaker 1>the Browns line will have to play like a top

0:25:31.800 --> 0:25:33.760
<v Speaker 1>three or five unit I think for the Browns to

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<v Speaker 1>have a chance. In the stand. Zack Jackson does a

0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:38.760
<v Speaker 1>great job of covering the Browns for the athletic Let's

0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:41.200
<v Speaker 1>talk about that defense. The Browns agoin up one hundred

0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:44.960
<v Speaker 1>and eighty six points. That's fifty four more than the Bengals.

0:25:45.000 --> 0:25:50.080
<v Speaker 1>What are their biggest problems so far this year defensively? Well, late,

0:25:50.080 --> 0:25:52.879
<v Speaker 1>it's been the run game and one of them, Garrett

0:25:52.920 --> 0:25:55.760
<v Speaker 1>and Clowney were both out and the Falcons just said

0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:57.960
<v Speaker 1>here we come and they ran. Actually, they lost middle

0:25:57.960 --> 0:26:00.600
<v Speaker 1>linebacker Anthony Walker, who you know, it was not a

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<v Speaker 1>Pro Bowl player, but he meant so much to this team.

0:26:02.480 --> 0:26:04.160
<v Speaker 1>We're finding out he meant more to this team than

0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:06.760
<v Speaker 1>we saw just with his smarts and with his leadership.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they've got a lot invested in the safetys

0:26:09.280 --> 0:26:11.440
<v Speaker 1>and grand elpat and John Johnson, and either one of

0:26:11.440 --> 0:26:14.480
<v Speaker 1>those guys has played well. So early in the season,

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<v Speaker 1>it was the big secondary breakdowns, including losing to the

0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Jets and just unspeakable fashion. And lately it's been the

0:26:20.560 --> 0:26:24.959
<v Speaker 1>run games. So Clowney is not healthy twenty three snaps.

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<v Speaker 1>I think last weeks, missed three in the last four games.

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<v Speaker 1>I expect him to play. I don't think he'll be

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent. Miles is getting back to one percent

0:26:32.680 --> 0:26:35.960
<v Speaker 1>after his auto accident. And again, just like you look

0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:37.879
<v Speaker 1>at the offensive line and Chub, I mean, if the

0:26:37.920 --> 0:26:40.240
<v Speaker 1>Browns are going to have any shot to win this team,

0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:42.640
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna have to be Miles just making it miserable

0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:44.760
<v Speaker 1>for Joe Burrow because if Burrow has time to throw,

0:26:45.040 --> 0:26:49.720
<v Speaker 1>the Browns are introls. Do you anticipate Denzel Ward will

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<v Speaker 1>be out of concussion protocol and be able to go

0:26:52.480 --> 0:26:55.480
<v Speaker 1>in this football game? The Bengals Jamar Chase in particular,

0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:59.359
<v Speaker 1>was effusive in his praise of Denzel Ward. He thinks

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<v Speaker 1>that he's, you know, in the top level in the

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<v Speaker 1>National Football League as far as cornerback plays. Is he

0:27:06.560 --> 0:27:10.280
<v Speaker 1>going to make the dance they're hoping? So? Um, You know,

0:27:10.320 --> 0:27:12.400
<v Speaker 1>you can't put a timetable on concussions like you can

0:27:12.480 --> 0:27:16.840
<v Speaker 1>on sprained ankles or sore knees sometimes, right, but last

0:27:17.160 --> 0:27:20.040
<v Speaker 1>he's missed two games. Last week he was around the team.

0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:23.160
<v Speaker 1>He was in meetings. He was feeling better. But until

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<v Speaker 1>he passes that next step and can get back on

0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:27.840
<v Speaker 1>the practice field, he can't say yes. So with the

0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:30.359
<v Speaker 1>Monday night game, everything's pushed back a day. The Browns

0:27:30.359 --> 0:27:32.360
<v Speaker 1>are hopeful, but it's going to be at least tomorrow

0:27:32.359 --> 0:27:36.600
<v Speaker 1>and maybe Saturday before we know that. Let me hit

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<v Speaker 1>you on a couple of other injury related matters. Jacob Phillips,

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<v Speaker 1>who leads the team and tackles, he just went on

0:27:42.240 --> 0:27:45.760
<v Speaker 1>ir You mentioned Anthony Walker, the linebacker earlier. He's out.

0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:49.800
<v Speaker 1>David Najoku has an ankle injury. It sounds like he's out.

0:27:50.200 --> 0:27:53.720
<v Speaker 1>How significant are injuries in general for the Browns four

0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:57.320
<v Speaker 1>game losing stream, then a Joku lost is a significant one.

0:27:57.520 --> 0:28:03.239
<v Speaker 1>He's he's having his st year and he's a blocker. Um,

0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:06.800
<v Speaker 1>he's a runner after the catch and he's been never

0:28:06.840 --> 0:28:08.800
<v Speaker 1>in his career before. Now have you thought that he's

0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:10.760
<v Speaker 1>going to catch the ball when he throw it his way?

0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:13.679
<v Speaker 1>Jacob Phillips has been was going to be benched anyway.

0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:16.440
<v Speaker 1>He's been part of the disastrous run defense. But you know,

0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:18.240
<v Speaker 1>they just don't have any depths in the middle of

0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:21.840
<v Speaker 1>the defense. And I think to an extent intentionally, they said,

0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:23.680
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna go top to heavy, right, We're gonna bring

0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:26.600
<v Speaker 1>Clowney back. We're gonna pay Myles Garrett, pay Denzel Award

0:28:27.160 --> 0:28:29.800
<v Speaker 1>and they're saying at linebacker and defensive tackle and shown

0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:32.359
<v Speaker 1>up in the results. So they'll miss the Joku. Now,

0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:34.399
<v Speaker 1>Harrison Bryant is a tight end. They would play for

0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:36.800
<v Speaker 1>every team in this league. And he will catch passes

0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:38.320
<v Speaker 1>and he will get to the right place. But he's

0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:40.440
<v Speaker 1>not a threat, you know, to catch a six yarder

0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:42.200
<v Speaker 1>and turn it into a fifty yarder like Ninjoe who

0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:46.960
<v Speaker 1>is What about at the at the linebacker position, Dion

0:28:47.160 --> 0:28:49.480
<v Speaker 1>Jones has been nicked up. Is he going to be

0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:52.640
<v Speaker 1>able to go? Yeah? He made his Brown's debut last week.

0:28:53.920 --> 0:28:55.760
<v Speaker 1>He should be ready to go. You know, they have

0:28:56.160 --> 0:28:59.280
<v Speaker 1>Tony Takikaki, who's in his fourth year. They're just they're

0:28:59.320 --> 0:29:02.960
<v Speaker 1>just short there. You know. They wanted Phillips to be

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<v Speaker 1>a thing. He's big, he's fast, he's smart. They drafted

0:29:06.720 --> 0:29:08.640
<v Speaker 1>him young. They knew it wasn't going to happen right away.

0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:10.480
<v Speaker 1>But this was his third year. This was his first

0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:13.240
<v Speaker 1>chance to really be full time and he had three

0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:15.440
<v Speaker 1>bag games and got hurt. So that leaves a big

0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:17.880
<v Speaker 1>hole because part of the reason they're saying is because

0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:19.880
<v Speaker 1>they thought, hey, we're waiting on Silas and as soon

0:29:19.920 --> 0:29:22.000
<v Speaker 1>as we need him, he's going to step in. I mean,

0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:24.080
<v Speaker 1>when they trade for Dion Jones on a Sunday night

0:29:24.120 --> 0:29:26.680
<v Speaker 1>four hours after the game, that tells you it's crisis

0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:29.000
<v Speaker 1>mode as the linebacker spot, right, And it's been crisis

0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:31.520
<v Speaker 1>mode all over the defense for most of the season,

0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:34.720
<v Speaker 1>but last week was the second best in sensive effort

0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:37.280
<v Speaker 1>of the year. We know the Browns know the Bengals well,

0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:39.520
<v Speaker 1>and we know what the Browns are good at, which

0:29:39.560 --> 0:29:42.880
<v Speaker 1>is getting to the passers. So I'm not calling for

0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:44.680
<v Speaker 1>a Bengals beat down here. I think the bank the

0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:47.160
<v Speaker 1>Browns really have a chance. But between the injuries and

0:29:47.200 --> 0:29:49.760
<v Speaker 1>the way they've played and failed in the big moments, yeah,

0:29:49.840 --> 0:29:53.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, you see why one team's training positively and

0:29:53.200 --> 0:29:56.560
<v Speaker 1>the other team's not. A couple more questions for our buddy,

0:29:56.640 --> 0:30:00.600
<v Speaker 1>Zach Jackson. You apparently heard yelling coming out of postgame

0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:06.640
<v Speaker 1>locker room last week. Is tension mounting? Yes, tensions mounting?

0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:11.000
<v Speaker 1>You know whatever happened in there then, I think is

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<v Speaker 1>something that would happen in a lot of locker rooms,

0:30:13.280 --> 0:30:16.080
<v Speaker 1>would have lost four straight games, you know. So to

0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:17.760
<v Speaker 1>go way to the top way of this, I mean,

0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:19.920
<v Speaker 1>this is not the first time or the third time

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<v Speaker 1>in the last ten years that the Browns have had

0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:24.000
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of hope, a little bit of expectations,

0:30:24.000 --> 0:30:26.760
<v Speaker 1>and it's crashed. And it's just been in so many

0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:30.880
<v Speaker 1>different ways. You know. They they didn't coach really well

0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:33.160
<v Speaker 1>against Atlanta and New England. They didn't defend against the

0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:35.600
<v Speaker 1>Jets or even the Panthers. They won that on a miracle.

0:30:35.960 --> 0:30:38.320
<v Speaker 1>They thought they drafted the next Devin McPherson and he

0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:40.360
<v Speaker 1>makes a bomb in Week one and he's cost him

0:30:40.360 --> 0:30:43.040
<v Speaker 1>a couple of games since. So you know, I didn't

0:30:43.080 --> 0:30:46.560
<v Speaker 1>think a ton ton of that outside of normal stuff.

0:30:47.120 --> 0:30:49.560
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I mean, this is when the Browns made

0:30:49.600 --> 0:30:51.880
<v Speaker 1>the Watton trade, they were saying to the to the

0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:55.040
<v Speaker 1>NFL world, we were work quarterback away, we're ready to win,

0:30:55.120 --> 0:30:56.640
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of us look up this team and

0:30:56.680 --> 0:30:58.959
<v Speaker 1>you see guys that are proven. I mean, the Browns

0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:00.800
<v Speaker 1>in their twenty five years back. I have not had

0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:04.320
<v Speaker 1>this much talent, this much proven production at any one time.

0:31:05.120 --> 0:31:07.760
<v Speaker 1>But it's just not clicking, and it's been a variety

0:31:07.800 --> 0:31:10.920
<v Speaker 1>of different things. And when you've lost four row and

0:31:11.040 --> 0:31:12.840
<v Speaker 1>now'll have this game in front of you, I mean,

0:31:13.000 --> 0:31:16.280
<v Speaker 1>their playoff chances are already about up as plane, but

0:31:16.320 --> 0:31:18.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean this could this could really take the train

0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:23.360
<v Speaker 1>slide off the track. So with that said, do they

0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:25.680
<v Speaker 1>have enough leadership? Do they have guys that are going

0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:29.000
<v Speaker 1>to step up and make sure the ship doesn't sink?

0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:31.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, do they have people that will you know,

0:31:31.640 --> 0:31:34.040
<v Speaker 1>grab this problem by the throat and uh, you know,

0:31:34.240 --> 0:31:37.960
<v Speaker 1>shake it away or shake the problem away. Are there

0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:40.200
<v Speaker 1>players that will step up in your estimation or are

0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:43.719
<v Speaker 1>they avoid in that area a little bit? Well, whenever

0:31:43.840 --> 0:31:45.960
<v Speaker 1>what happened in that locker room got broken up, the

0:31:45.960 --> 0:31:48.040
<v Speaker 1>one thing we heard was somebody yell, there's no belief

0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:52.000
<v Speaker 1>in leadership here. So it's a great question that doesn't

0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:56.400
<v Speaker 1>have an answer. And that's I think then part of

0:31:56.400 --> 0:31:58.840
<v Speaker 1>the issue. You know, Miles got in an auto accident

0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:02.040
<v Speaker 1>and missed a game. They need him. He makes everything

0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:04.880
<v Speaker 1>go on defense. Clowney has missed more than he's played.

0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:08.560
<v Speaker 1>Denzel's missed two games. You know, they changed quarterbacks in

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:10.720
<v Speaker 1>the summer, and they're going to change quarterbacks again. So

0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:13.120
<v Speaker 1>this is the first time in fifteen years they've had

0:32:13.120 --> 0:32:16.680
<v Speaker 1>continuity in terms of thirty year coach, third year GM coach,

0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:20.960
<v Speaker 1>keeping his coordinators. That's supposed to be a plus for leadership,

0:32:21.080 --> 0:32:23.600
<v Speaker 1>for the little things, for guys figuring things out right.

0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:26.120
<v Speaker 1>And everybody has a tough thing or two go wrong

0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:28.560
<v Speaker 1>at the start of the season, but it's it's not

0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:31.800
<v Speaker 1>only snowball the times on the Browns, It's been different

0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:35.480
<v Speaker 1>things and that makes it both puzzling and then obviously

0:32:35.520 --> 0:32:38.760
<v Speaker 1>frustrating for a team that didn't expect to go nine

0:32:38.760 --> 0:32:40.800
<v Speaker 1>and two or eight and three without the Shawn Watson,

0:32:40.960 --> 0:32:42.600
<v Speaker 1>but they thought they'd be right in it and they're

0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:46.680
<v Speaker 1>just they're just not playing well. Our thanks to Zach Jackson.

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