1
00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,519
Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody on Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

2
00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:13,680
Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The just another Manic Monday addition,

3
00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,360
Speaker 1: as we get to set from Monday Night Football in

4
00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,000
Speaker 1: Cleveland as the four and three Bengals take on the

5
00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,279
Speaker 1: two and five Browns. Coming up, I'll talk to the

6
00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,160
Speaker 1: new voice of Monday Night Football on ESPN, Joe Buck

7
00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,920
Speaker 1: Dave Lapham ways in on a topic that Bengals fans

8
00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,160
Speaker 1: don't seem too concerned about anymore, the offensive line. I'll

9
00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,200
Speaker 1: chat with Sam Hubbard and get his reaction to something

10
00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,920
Speaker 1: that Chris Collinsworth recently said on this podcast that Sam

11
00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,400
Speaker 1: is quote, one of the best football players that I've

12
00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:48,360
Speaker 1: seen on tape. And finally, you know the faux segment,

13
00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,280
Speaker 1: we'll get the latest on the Browns from Zack Jackson,

14
00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,720
Speaker 1: who covers the team for The Athletic. The Bengals Booth

15
00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,319
Speaker 1: Podcast is brought to you by pay Corps. More than

16
00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:03,160
Speaker 1: twenty nine thousand customers trust pay to help them recruit, pay, engage,

17
00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:08,520
Speaker 1: and retain employees. Learn more at paycorp dot com. Now

18
00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,119
Speaker 1: here's a quick reminder that you can have the latest

19
00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,600
Speaker 1: edition of this podcast delivered write to your phone tablet

20
00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,839
Speaker 1: or computer by subscribing wherever you get your podcasts. It's

21
00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:23,240
Speaker 1: the greatest thing since I An Eagle getting to broadcast

22
00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:27,360
Speaker 1: the Final Four. Jim Nance recently announced that this year's

23
00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,399
Speaker 1: Final Four in Houston will be the last one that

24
00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,119
Speaker 1: he will broadcast for CBS, and the network immediately named

25
00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,840
Speaker 1: Ian Eagle as his replacement. If you've heard Ian before

26
00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:38,800
Speaker 1: as a guest on this podcast, you know that we

27
00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,600
Speaker 1: are longtime friends, so I'm happy for him personally, but

28
00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,960
Speaker 1: I am also thrilled to see a great broadcaster finally

29
00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,840
Speaker 1: get the opportunity to shine on a huge stage. Ian

30
00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,200
Speaker 1: will do a tremendous job of calling future Final Fours,

31
00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:58,240
Speaker 1: hopefully a few that include the UC Bearcats or insert

32
00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:02,800
Speaker 1: your school of choice. Now let's get to my first guest,

33
00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,920
Speaker 1: a guy who has certainly had opportunities to shine on

34
00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,920
Speaker 1: a huge stage, as he's called seven Super Bowls and

35
00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:14,480
Speaker 1: twenty three World Series. I met this guy when we

36
00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,560
Speaker 1: were young minor league baseball announcers just getting started, and

37
00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,000
Speaker 1: now he's one of the best play by play guys

38
00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,040
Speaker 1: to ever do it. My friend Joe Buck, Joe, it

39
00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,760
Speaker 1: seems like you and Troy are having a ball doing

40
00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,040
Speaker 1: Monday night football. I think sometimes change is good. Has

41
00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,280
Speaker 1: change reinvigorated the two of you? It has, But let

42
00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,640
Speaker 1: me start by saying, I remember those days in Triple

43
00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:41,080
Speaker 1: A baseball. You had more hair. I had about the

44
00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,200
Speaker 1: same amount of hair. I just have gone the hair

45
00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,119
Speaker 1: transplant road and here we are in twenty twenty two.

46
00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,000
Speaker 1: But thanks for that, and you're you're one of the best.

47
00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:53,080
Speaker 1: I've always loved listening to you, and I appreciate coming on.

48
00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,760
Speaker 1: It's been a blast. I didn't know what to expect,

49
00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,160
Speaker 1: you know. I think ESPN was always kind of that

50
00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,040
Speaker 1: that dark cloud over on the horizon, like do I

51
00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,920
Speaker 1: really want to go to ESPN because it Fox? They

52
00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,240
Speaker 1: kind of left me alone, and in the best possible way.

53
00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,399
Speaker 1: I loved every minute that I was there. But you're right,

54
00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,560
Speaker 1: change has been great. I think it's it's given a

55
00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,560
Speaker 1: shot of life to Boute, Troy and me. ESPN has

56
00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,760
Speaker 1: been great to work for. The games have been fun.

57
00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:27,000
Speaker 1: And this is normally a month where I'm I don't

58
00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,080
Speaker 1: know where I am when I wake up, and I

59
00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,040
Speaker 1: don't know what sport I'm doing that night, But having

60
00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,000
Speaker 1: just one game a week, it feels like stealing so

61
00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,520
Speaker 1: it's been great and hopefully that comes through on the air.

62
00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,800
Speaker 1: It definitely does so. This past Monday night, during the

63
00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,040
Speaker 1: Patriots Bears game, ESPN ran a promo for the upcoming

64
00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,640
Speaker 1: game between the Bengals and Browns, and it was obvious

65
00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,600
Speaker 1: how excited Troy Aikman was that Joe Burrow was coming

66
00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,400
Speaker 1: up next week. He referred to him as an assassin.

67
00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,320
Speaker 1: What do you think of Joe on and off the field.

68
00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:02,400
Speaker 1: He's awesome and there are so many organizations that are

69
00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,600
Speaker 1: dying to have a Joe Burrow everywhere we go. You know,

70
00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,560
Speaker 1: you look at one team after the next, there's a

71
00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,680
Speaker 1: handful of guys that you know, the obvious ones, and

72
00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,040
Speaker 1: then there's Joe Burrow, who's a stud on and off

73
00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:15,640
Speaker 1: the field. I think he's a leader. I think he

74
00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,520
Speaker 1: says all the right things coming off the game they're

75
00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:23,080
Speaker 1: coming off of, which was I mean that that's them

76
00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,840
Speaker 1: at their best against Atlanta and showing all those weapons

77
00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:30,279
Speaker 1: on the outside, and Tyler Boyd has a big game.

78
00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,200
Speaker 1: Just when you go into a game and you know

79
00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,160
Speaker 1: Dan when you're going to see a lot of offense.

80
00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,159
Speaker 1: That's those are the fun games to call. So for

81
00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,159
Speaker 1: a quarterback, like Troy, and the game's changed so much

82
00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,880
Speaker 1: since Troy built his Hall of Fame career. You know,

83
00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,159
Speaker 1: the statistics are crazy now with three hundred yard games,

84
00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,920
Speaker 1: four hundred yard games by quarterbacks. But man, it's I

85
00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,440
Speaker 1: can't wait to go there. We've only had him a

86
00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,480
Speaker 1: couple of times, and you know we've got him also

87
00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,720
Speaker 1: late in the year at Buffalo against Buffalo at home,

88
00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,520
Speaker 1: so this will be one of two and I can't

89
00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,599
Speaker 1: wait to watch it. We're visiting the Joe Buck TV

90
00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,599
Speaker 1: loves star Power. The Bengals have Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase,

91
00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,919
Speaker 1: te Higgins, Joe Mix, and Trey Hendrickson, whatever name you

92
00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,200
Speaker 1: want to pick out. Do you look at the Bengals

93
00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,200
Speaker 1: as one of the quote unquote sexiest teams in the NFL?

94
00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,760
Speaker 1: I do you know? I mean, you know, they're the

95
00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,680
Speaker 1: AFC champs. I think people will kind of forget that.

96
00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,440
Speaker 1: I know they don't dare, but around the NFL and

97
00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:31,120
Speaker 1: everybody's got Buffalo Bills fever and oh my gosh, the

98
00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:35,400
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. The Bengals are the reigning AFC champions, and

99
00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,880
Speaker 1: you know, had every reason to feel good about that

100
00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:40,960
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I know they didn't get it done. But

101
00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,640
Speaker 1: they were right there with the Rams. So yes they are.

102
00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,680
Speaker 1: They are a sexy team. They are a star studded team,

103
00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,040
Speaker 1: and that's what these networks latch onto. But I think

104
00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,960
Speaker 1: that's what the casual fanland latches onto. Why the NFL

105
00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,560
Speaker 1: is so popular. I mean, it doesn't matter who they're playing.

106
00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:00,760
Speaker 1: And I think it's good that it's a it's a

107
00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,479
Speaker 1: divisional battle and all that, but you've got players that

108
00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,920
Speaker 1: are on everybody's fantasy football team, and everybody salivates to

109
00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,040
Speaker 1: coming off a game like they're coming off of. So

110
00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,360
Speaker 1: give me star power, give me Burrow. We'll have cameras.

111
00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,000
Speaker 1: I know it's ESPN. Well if cameras all over him

112
00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,839
Speaker 1: as he's getting dressed, let alone walking into the stadium.

113
00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, that that stuff sells on TV. After the

114
00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,120
Speaker 1: Row and two start, the Bengals have gone four and

115
00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,960
Speaker 1: one since. Did you have any doubts early? And if so,

116
00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:35,640
Speaker 1: are they gone? They're gone? Yeah? I think everybody would

117
00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,880
Speaker 1: have doubts. You know, when you come back off of

118
00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,520
Speaker 1: loss in the Super Bowl, all the changes on the

119
00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,880
Speaker 1: offensive line. That line seems to be getting better and

120
00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:50,279
Speaker 1: better as they grow together and kind of mesh so yeah,

121
00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,719
Speaker 1: I was like, man, this it wasn't just that they lost,

122
00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,560
Speaker 1: it was the way they lost and how the offense looked.

123
00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,520
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, here they are. So

124
00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:05,360
Speaker 1: the any doubts I had are erased. And you know,

125
00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:09,720
Speaker 1: I see this team as one of the top three

126
00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:14,160
Speaker 1: teams in the AFC, and maybe the top two. I

127
00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,480
Speaker 1: think that matchup with Buffalo is going to be like

128
00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,640
Speaker 1: a champ game. I'm just hoping to God everybody stays

129
00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,480
Speaker 1: healthy between now and the end of the season. So

130
00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,960
Speaker 1: the Browns have dropped four in a row. There's still

131
00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,600
Speaker 1: four games away from Deshaun Watson coming back from his suspension.

132
00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:32,560
Speaker 1: What do you think are a few of the keys

133
00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,520
Speaker 1: on Monday Night? Well, everybody there is screaming for them

134
00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,000
Speaker 1: to run the ball more. And when we've had the Browns,

135
00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,760
Speaker 1: you know, they've got three running backs that are really talented.

136
00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,640
Speaker 1: They are banged up a little bit on their offensive line,

137
00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,840
Speaker 1: They've got a good offensive line. When everybody's there, you know, yeah,

138
00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:53,360
Speaker 1: they don't have Deshaun Watson. They do have Jacoby Brissette,

139
00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:57,239
Speaker 1: which to me means you better concentrate on running the football.

140
00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,840
Speaker 1: I don't know that he's the quarterback point in his

141
00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,840
Speaker 1: career that you hang your hat on go He's gonna

142
00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:05,720
Speaker 1: just take you up and down the field and win games.

143
00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,760
Speaker 1: They need to kind of go back to old school football,

144
00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:12,280
Speaker 1: So I expect them to come in running the ball

145
00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,000
Speaker 1: and you know, trying to keep Joe Burrow off the field.

146
00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,080
Speaker 1: That's the other part of this equation. I think when

147
00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,680
Speaker 1: you're playing Cincinnati playing Buffalo, you're playing Kansas City and

148
00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,720
Speaker 1: that's the other team of the top three in the AFC.

149
00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,440
Speaker 1: You're trying to keep that other guy off the field.

150
00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,920
Speaker 1: So if they don't come in and try to pound

151
00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:35,240
Speaker 1: the football, I would be stunned, just because of how

152
00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:40,079
Speaker 1: good Cincinnati is offensively. Joe, You've mentioned that Cincinnati Buffalo

153
00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,840
Speaker 1: game a couple of times. That's the final Monday Night

154
00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,000
Speaker 1: game of the year January second at pay Course Stadium

155
00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,200
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati. When the schedule came out and you saw

156
00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:53,680
Speaker 1: Bengals Bills early January, did you think this could be

157
00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,760
Speaker 1: the game of the year on Monday Night football? I did.

158
00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,000
Speaker 1: I mean, there are a couple that jumped out of me,

159
00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,400
Speaker 1: but they were AFE West games, and I think the

160
00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,440
Speaker 1: AFC West has been a dud so far. Compared to

161
00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,040
Speaker 1: what everybody thought it would be rams at Green Bay

162
00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,880
Speaker 1: Christmas Week the Monday before Christmas, it was like, man,

163
00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,880
Speaker 1: that's that's typically a game. I was doing a Fox

164
00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,440
Speaker 1: and now we're doing it on Monday Night Football at ESPN.

165
00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,040
Speaker 1: But that was the one. It's like, we're gonna build

166
00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,680
Speaker 1: all season long, both on the field and in the

167
00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,560
Speaker 1: booth to see what should be a hell of a

168
00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,840
Speaker 1: game on that last Monday Night. So yes, that was

169
00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,559
Speaker 1: the one that I circled. I'm glad it's at the end.

170
00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,439
Speaker 1: It's kind of that carrot at the end of the

171
00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,960
Speaker 1: race that keeps you going all year. So you know,

172
00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,719
Speaker 1: we got a long way to go between now and then,

173
00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,280
Speaker 1: and again it's injuries that that's the only thing that

174
00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,000
Speaker 1: scares me. But that's gonna be a great night. Final

175
00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,440
Speaker 1: question for Joe Buck. Your dad was one of the

176
00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,840
Speaker 1: great baseball broadcasters of all time, but he was also

177
00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,439
Speaker 1: the voice of Monday Night Football on national radio for decades.

178
00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,640
Speaker 1: How did that impact your love of the NFL and

179
00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,080
Speaker 1: your love for now doing Monday Night football? Dan I

180
00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,080
Speaker 1: grew up in the back of the broadcast booth for

181
00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,280
Speaker 1: baseball down in Saint Louis, a bush stadium. That's that

182
00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,480
Speaker 1: was my playground as a little boy. But my dad

183
00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,360
Speaker 1: took me on a lot of road trips and I

184
00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:16,960
Speaker 1: was in the back of the booth and Monday Night

185
00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,640
Speaker 1: Football when he was doing the games with Hank Stram.

186
00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:21,200
Speaker 1: But I've told this a couple of times. When I

187
00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,480
Speaker 1: was a little kid, I was my dad was my hero. Was'

188
00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,920
Speaker 1: until the day he died, still is to this day.

189
00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:28,880
Speaker 1: But I used to go to those games, like my

190
00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,360
Speaker 1: dad is the coolest guy going on the planet. He's

191
00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,360
Speaker 1: doing Monday Night Football on the radio. And then they

192
00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,640
Speaker 1: basically made a broom closet into the radio booth and

193
00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,560
Speaker 1: I'm looking two booths down at Howard Cosell and Frank

194
00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,079
Speaker 1: Gifford and Don Meredith and bright lights and yellow jackets

195
00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,640
Speaker 1: and all that. It just like, man, I thought what

196
00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,280
Speaker 1: my dad did was cool. So he's been gone for

197
00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,560
Speaker 1: twenty years now, he'd be over the moon that I

198
00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,520
Speaker 1: was doing this and kind of made a family decision

199
00:10:55,679 --> 00:11:01,400
Speaker 1: to change up my work life. So it's it's it's true.

200
00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,560
Speaker 1: He was the voice of Monday Night Football for over

201
00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,480
Speaker 1: ten years, just on the radio side. And there was

202
00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,760
Speaker 1: an article that somebody sent me a while ago where

203
00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,240
Speaker 1: he was talking about the phenomenon that at the time

204
00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,440
Speaker 1: people either loved or hated Howard Cosell, and everybody was

205
00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,240
Speaker 1: turning down the volume on TV and listening to my

206
00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,520
Speaker 1: dad and Hank do the game on the radio. You know,

207
00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,880
Speaker 1: maybe they're still doing that. I don't know with me

208
00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,920
Speaker 1: doing the TV with Troy, but hopefully not. We're having

209
00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,520
Speaker 1: a blast and I know my dad would be really proud.

210
00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,920
Speaker 1: High lied. I have one more question. Monday night is Halloween.

211
00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,800
Speaker 1: Will we see the yellow jackets on Halloween Night? Yeah?

212
00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:40,920
Speaker 1: The problem is that that's kind of been that was

213
00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,280
Speaker 1: our plan to the last couple of weeks. They gave

214
00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:47,400
Speaker 1: us like kind of joke Monday night yellow blazers that

215
00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,720
Speaker 1: look awful. I mean they are so cheap and so

216
00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:55,600
Speaker 1: the stitching in it, the fabrics pulling it doesn't really

217
00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,400
Speaker 1: fit well. The Troy's like, I don't know if we

218
00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,200
Speaker 1: should wear those, you know, he's mister straight list. I'm like,

219
00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,640
Speaker 1: I'm wearing it. I don't care if you wear it

220
00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,480
Speaker 1: or not. I may go to a thrift shop here

221
00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:11,040
Speaker 1: in Saint Louis and by the nastiest seventies dress shirt

222
00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:15,520
Speaker 1: with a fat wide maroon tie and just leaded rip.

223
00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,400
Speaker 1: But I am wearing it. Troy can do whatever he wants.

224
00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,880
Speaker 1: It'll be on me. I love it. Can't wait to

225
00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:22,640
Speaker 1: see it on Monday night and I get to see

226
00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,960
Speaker 1: it in person, which is going to be fun. Joe,

227
00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,440
Speaker 1: I appreciate your time, keep up the great work, and

228
00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,080
Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us. Yeah, you keep up

229
00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,079
Speaker 1: the great work. I'll see him Monday. The Bengals Booth

230
00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:37,480
Speaker 1: Podcast is presented by Alta Fiber, future proof fiber Internet

231
00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:41,720
Speaker 1: capable of delivering multi gigabit speeds designed to take your home, business,

232
00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,320
Speaker 1: and community to a new level. Elevate your connection with

233
00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,760
Speaker 1: Alta Fiber. Over the last two weeks, the Bengals have

234
00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,520
Speaker 1: scored thirty and thirty five points and Joe Burrow has

235
00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:57,320
Speaker 1: put up insane numbers. Six touchdown passes, two touchdown runs,

236
00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:02,240
Speaker 1: no interceptions, seven hundred one passing yards and a passer

237
00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,520
Speaker 1: rating of one thirty three has appendeck to me and

238
00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,800
Speaker 1: resulting weight loss is clearly no longer an issue and

239
00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,439
Speaker 1: you don't hear much griping these days about the Bengals

240
00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:16,360
Speaker 1: offensive line from fans and media. According to Pro Football Focus,

241
00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,600
Speaker 1: over the past three weeks. The Bengals O line has

242
00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,200
Speaker 1: graded as the fourth best in the NFL in pass blocking.

243
00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:28,520
Speaker 1: Here's my broadcast partner, Dave Lapham. The offensive line improvement

244
00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,760
Speaker 1: is significant and it's obvious, and I think it's health

245
00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:37,600
Speaker 1: related as well. Elsie had back issues, didn't do much

246
00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:43,480
Speaker 1: at training camp at all. You know, when you're in

247
00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:48,040
Speaker 1: a situation where you can't take reps next to each

248
00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:51,480
Speaker 1: other for all a training camp, which is what the

249
00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,920
Speaker 1: situation was that they were facing there. You have Elsie

250
00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:59,720
Speaker 1: had had the back issue, Alex Kappa had the core problem.

251
00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,240
Speaker 1: So the right side of the offensive line really didn't

252
00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,319
Speaker 1: do much at all, you know, working with each other

253
00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,840
Speaker 1: at training camp. So and then Joe Burrow's injury, you know,

254
00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:13,040
Speaker 1: with the appendix appendeck to mey appendicitis that caused the surgery,

255
00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:17,520
Speaker 1: the appendectomy. He didn't play too much at training camp.

256
00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:21,720
Speaker 1: So you have those three components are major that it

257
00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,840
Speaker 1: took him a while time on task, a few reps.

258
00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,000
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow and the opener against Pittsburgh was not the

259
00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,320
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow that we've we've come to love Joe Burrow

260
00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,520
Speaker 1: here in the last month. Is the Joe Borrow that

261
00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,720
Speaker 1: we know and love. Same thing with LC, same thing

262
00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,960
Speaker 1: with Alex Kappa. They've gotten healthier, they've taken reps, time

263
00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,560
Speaker 1: on task, everybody's working together. I think I think that

264
00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,880
Speaker 1: the health of Joe Burrow, the health of the offensive line,

265
00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,680
Speaker 1: the number of reps that they've taken. I can remember

266
00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,360
Speaker 1: talking about the fact that I thought in later September

267
00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,400
Speaker 1: they'd be better than they were in the beginning of September,

268
00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,680
Speaker 1: and I think that was the case. Now that we're

269
00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,080
Speaker 1: closing in on the end to October, they're playing. I'll

270
00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:06,240
Speaker 1: tell you, Alex Kappa, he's playing good football at right guard.

271
00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,320
Speaker 1: I'm telling his past protection is very, very good. And

272
00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,760
Speaker 1: Elc cam Jordan is a is a great football player.

273
00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,640
Speaker 1: He went down there against the Saints and just locked

274
00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,240
Speaker 1: him up. I mean that was his best game. So

275
00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:23,920
Speaker 1: he showed what he still can do. And Kappa, now

276
00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,120
Speaker 1: that he's healthy, he is he's playing good football. Alex

277
00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,160
Speaker 1: ted Carris at the center position is showing, you know,

278
00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,000
Speaker 1: the leadership and the ability that the Bengals holts when

279
00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,600
Speaker 1: they signed him. So those three signings people were concerned

280
00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,000
Speaker 1: about at the beginning of the season. Now that they're

281
00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,840
Speaker 1: healthy and they've got some time on task and they've

282
00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,040
Speaker 1: established a little bit of rhythm. They're playing well. That

283
00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,160
Speaker 1: group's playing pretty darn well, and I think it's going

284
00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,520
Speaker 1: to continue. After being sacked thirteen times in the first

285
00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,440
Speaker 1: two games, Joe Burrow, He's only been sacked eleven times

286
00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:00,280
Speaker 1: over the past five The Bengals Booth podcast just presented

287
00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:04,040
Speaker 1: by Bengals Picks and Ultimate Bengals. They're free to play

288
00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,840
Speaker 1: with tickets and sign merchandise up for grabs. Find both

289
00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,800
Speaker 1: inside the Bengals App. And last week's win over Atlanta,

290
00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,480
Speaker 1: the Bengals allowed one hundred seven rushing yards on twenty

291
00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,200
Speaker 1: nine attempts. That's three point seven yards per carry to

292
00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,480
Speaker 1: one of the best running teams in the league. They'll

293
00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,920
Speaker 1: need a similar performance on Monday night against the Cleveland

294
00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,880
Speaker 1: team that features NFL rushing leader Nick Chubb. He's on

295
00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,160
Speaker 1: a pace to run for nearly eighteen hundred yards this

296
00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:38,000
Speaker 1: year and averages five point nine yards per carry. Sam

297
00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:42,120
Speaker 1: Hubbard is one of the NFL's best run stopping defensive ends,

298
00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,840
Speaker 1: and I caught up with him this week. Sam, it

299
00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,800
Speaker 1: seems like you are always doing something to get your

300
00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,400
Speaker 1: body ready for game day. Can you give us a

301
00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,560
Speaker 1: sense of all the things you'd do to get ready

302
00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,720
Speaker 1: for the riggers of this job. I think going through

303
00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,080
Speaker 1: my routine on a week to week basis to get

304
00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,400
Speaker 1: myself to Sunday, to walk through it day by day

305
00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,440
Speaker 1: would take too long. But I try and utilize every

306
00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,240
Speaker 1: every minute an opportunity I can. I think five years,

307
00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,639
Speaker 1: I've had some time to just get my routine a

308
00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:14,600
Speaker 1: little better every year, and that's what it's all about.

309
00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,760
Speaker 1: James Harrison was here back in twenty thirteen. He estimated

310
00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,520
Speaker 1: to us that he spent between four hundred thousand and

311
00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:26,720
Speaker 1: five hundred thousand dollars a year. I'm therapists, acupuncturists, etc.

312
00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,480
Speaker 1: Do you spend like a crazy amount of money just

313
00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,480
Speaker 1: maintaining your physique. I wouldn't say more money, it's it's

314
00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,080
Speaker 1: I would say it's time and energy. I you know,

315
00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,920
Speaker 1: I have a great massaas person his name is Jim

316
00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:44,480
Speaker 1: Nabby that I work with, who is you know, my

317
00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:49,720
Speaker 1: secret weapon? And also Chef Kim on my food. Those

318
00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:51,919
Speaker 1: are some expenses, but a lot of us just spending

319
00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,919
Speaker 1: time in the weight room, doing a rehab, prehab, recovering, sleep,

320
00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,080
Speaker 1: going to bed early. A lot of this stuff that

321
00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,960
Speaker 1: over time can get pretty tedious, but it's necessary as

322
00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,480
Speaker 1: that evolved a lot in your NFL career. Yeah, definitely.

323
00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,359
Speaker 1: Each year I just try and get a little bit better,

324
00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,200
Speaker 1: and I think now I'm feeling as healthy, strong, and

325
00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,840
Speaker 1: as good as I can as I've ever felt going

326
00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:18,200
Speaker 1: into later part of the season in my career or

327
00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,159
Speaker 1: visiting with Sam Hubbard. I interviewed Chris Collinsworth before the

328
00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,800
Speaker 1: Sunday night game in Baltimore. He said, I have not

329
00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:27,240
Speaker 1: seen a better player on tape this year than Sam Hubbard.

330
00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you not to be too modest.

331
00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,760
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you're all around game is as

332
00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:37,080
Speaker 1: good it's just about any defensive lineman in the NFL. H. Yeah,

333
00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,320
Speaker 1: I don't want to be, you know, talking myself up

334
00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:41,879
Speaker 1: too much, but I take a lot of pride in,

335
00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:47,119
Speaker 1: you know, doing things that not everyone does all the

336
00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,240
Speaker 1: time at a very high level. You know, whether it's

337
00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:54,640
Speaker 1: playing the run, you know, running screens down or being

338
00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:59,119
Speaker 1: disciplined backside, or you know, just communication on defense. I

339
00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,800
Speaker 1: just think that every part of it makes you what

340
00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,600
Speaker 1: you are as a football player, and I just, you know,

341
00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,159
Speaker 1: want that for from the respect to my teammates and

342
00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,120
Speaker 1: the players that I play, and I think just over time,

343
00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:12,840
Speaker 1: you got to earn your respect in this league and

344
00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,880
Speaker 1: being consistent and doing things to play and play out.

345
00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,479
Speaker 1: I think is my past to earn in my respect

346
00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,160
Speaker 1: in this league. Let me follow up, I'm playing the run.

347
00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:26,960
Speaker 1: Sacks equal recognition, sacks equal huge money doesn't annoy you

348
00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,720
Speaker 1: at all. That's stopping the run doesn't get the attention

349
00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,520
Speaker 1: that sacking the quarterback does. Attention is great and all that,

350
00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,800
Speaker 1: but I like winning games. I think, you know, part

351
00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,879
Speaker 1: of stopping the run and stuff took us to a

352
00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,480
Speaker 1: super Bowl and it's gonna be a huge part to

353
00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,800
Speaker 1: getting us back there in the future. You know. Obviously,

354
00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:50,240
Speaker 1: I'm you know, happy with winning games, and I think

355
00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,600
Speaker 1: we got a lot of great players that deserve recommend recognition,

356
00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:57,040
Speaker 1: and my time will come. You and Trey Hendrickson have

357
00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,560
Speaker 1: an interesting dynamic as the primary defense it ends for

358
00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,520
Speaker 1: the Bengals. He seems a little nutty, especially on game day.

359
00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,040
Speaker 1: You are as consistent, as level and as level headed

360
00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,560
Speaker 1: as they come. Do you guys feed off each other? Yeah, definitely.

361
00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,440
Speaker 1: I think we push each other day and day out,

362
00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,280
Speaker 1: not just on game day. On game day. We kind

363
00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,600
Speaker 1: of know how each other operates, and I have a

364
00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,320
Speaker 1: really good relationship in that sense. But day and day out,

365
00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:24,399
Speaker 1: it's we always say great, yin and yang on. You know,

366
00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,359
Speaker 1: things we do well and the other person does not

367
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,240
Speaker 1: so well or they do even better. It's a great relationship.

368
00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,840
Speaker 1: We're chatting with Sam Hubbard. There's an old saying, without

369
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:39,480
Speaker 1: the bitter, the sweet isn't as sweet. The Bengal struggled

370
00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,480
Speaker 1: your first three years. Now Cincinnati's one of the best

371
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,360
Speaker 1: teams in the NFL. Is it sweeter? Definitely? I think

372
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,800
Speaker 1: it's just more so. I've been through some dark days

373
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:54,000
Speaker 1: and dark times, and I enjoy these wins and all

374
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 1: the success, but I hate losing more than anything in

375
00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,720
Speaker 1: the world. So I don't want to go back there,

376
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,120
Speaker 1: and I do everything in my power to make sure

377
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 1: that we have put that in the past and we

378
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 1: just keep moving forward in this direction. We're on. Let's

379
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 1: talk about the Browns. This is one of the best

380
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 1: running teams in the NFL. But it's not complicated, right,

381
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,240
Speaker 1: it's not too complicated. But what they are, they are,

382
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 1: you know, the best in the league. Got the best

383
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 1: running back in the NFL, probably the best offensive line

384
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Great coaches, great scheme, you really just

385
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,679
Speaker 1: have to be better than them, and that's what it

386
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,919
Speaker 1: comes down to in the run game. And that's no

387
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,400
Speaker 1: easy task, but we're gonna give it our best shot.

388
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 1: Describe trying to tackle Nick Chubb. It's hard. He is

389
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 1: strong and you just bounce off him. It's kind of

390
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 1: unlike anything I've ever played against. You really got to

391
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 1: wrap up and you need more than one guy to

392
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:52,440
Speaker 1: bring him down. Don't even try and think about getting

393
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 1: the ball out and until you've got him secured, it's

394
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 1: it's a challenge, and he is the best back in

395
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,440
Speaker 1: the NFL in my opinion. Last thing when I was

396
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 1: a kid, Monday night football was it. There wasn't Sunday

397
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 1: night football. There wasn't Thursday night football. This was the

398
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,399
Speaker 1: primetime show. Is it still a big deal for you

399
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 1: guys to play at Monday night? Oh? Yeah, it's Monday

400
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 1: night football. This is a one of the biggest stages

401
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 1: in the game. It's an honor. It's a rare opportunity

402
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 1: to get once a year if that, and a lot

403
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,440
Speaker 1: of people are gonna be watching. It's gonna be fun.

404
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 1: You've been awesome this year on and off the field.

405
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 1: We greatly appreciate it. Thanks for your time and best

406
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 1: of luck. Yeah, thanks for having me appreciate it. In

407
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 1: seven previous games against the Bengals, Nick Chubb has average

408
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 1: ninety four point six rushing yards and it's no coincidence

409
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 1: that the Browns are six and one in those games.

410
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast is brought to you by Cattering Health,

411
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 1: the official healthcare provider of the Bengals. With more than

412
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 1: one hundred twenty care facilities and fifteen hundred care providers,

413
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 1: Kettering Health is committed to guiding you to your best health.

414
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,199
Speaker 1: Visit Kettering health dot org to learn more. Are now

415
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 1: time for this week's No The Faux Segment. Zach Jackson

416
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: covers the Browns for the Athletic and joined Lapping Me

417
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 1: this week on the Bengals Game Plan Show. The Browns

418
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: are seven games into Deshaun Watson's eleven game suspension. How

419
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:22,640
Speaker 1: has Jacoby Brissette been? He's played better than anybody gave

420
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 1: him a credit for or a chance to. That starts

421
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 1: with me when I say everybody, I think that bringing

422
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 1: for the organization too. Now, he's not been great in

423
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter in one in particular, killed them. And

424
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 1: that's kind of been the story. Is They've been really

425
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: in every game but one to the end, and it's

426
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 1: been different things that have sumped them and a lack

427
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 1: of connectivity. But you know, they knew what they were

428
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: signing up for, right, and it's really been more the

429
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: defense letting them die. I think Jacoby Brissette is what

430
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: they want in the meeting room, on the practice field

431
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: and all that leads up to Monday or Sunday or

432
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 1: Monday in this case, right, And I think they're coaching

433
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 1: around some of his limitations. I think he's been pretty good.

434
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 1: I think he'll be a starter next year for some

435
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: team that's trying to nurture a young guy along now

436
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 1: with three of the Bengals, you want to be up

437
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: ten or fourteen and make him beat you, right. But

438
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 1: I think Jacoby Brissett, on the long, long list of

439
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: Brown's problems that would take us this whole show to

440
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: go over, is not real high on that list. The

441
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 1: offensive line, that's that's my question. I have tremendous amount

442
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: of respect for Bill Callahan. I think he's one of

443
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: the best offensive line coaches that has ever done it

444
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 1: in the National Football League, And I have a big

445
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: had a big ghost and still do have a big

446
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 1: dost of respect for the Cleveland Browns offensive line. I

447
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 1: thought beginning of the season top three, top five in

448
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: the National Football League. Have they played that way? They've

449
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: played that way some of the time, Dave, not all

450
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: the time. And they're probably going to be without Pro

451
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 1: Bowl guard Wyatt Teller. Again, they're not going to completely

452
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: rule him out with the extra day, but with the

453
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: bye week behind, they're probably going to sit him. The

454
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 1: left Chael Wills, the young guys been up and down.

455
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: It's a good line. It's part of a good offense,

456
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: and they run it and they disguise the run well.

457
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 1: Joel Beatonio is as good as it gives him. He

458
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: might be a Hall of Famer someday as a guard.

459
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: They've plugged in Ethan Pochick as a center who's been

460
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,360
Speaker 1: a veteran and been solid, and Jack Halkins come back

461
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: from injury. So yeah, I mean, when you look at

462
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: this game and the Bengals still not having DJ Reader,

463
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: this is the Browns offensive line and Nick Chubb and

464
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 1: then Kareem Hunt, you know, to give the Browns a chance.

465
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 1: That to me is one of the key areas, and

466
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: the Browns line will have to play like a top

467
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: three or five unit I think for the Browns to

468
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 1: have a chance. In the stand. Zack Jackson does a

469
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: great job of covering the Browns for the athletic Let's

470
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 1: talk about that defense. The Browns agoin up one hundred

471
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: and eighty six points. That's fifty four more than the Bengals.

472
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: What are their biggest problems so far this year defensively? Well, late,

473
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 1: it's been the run game and one of them, Garrett

474
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: and Clowney were both out and the Falcons just said

475
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: here we come and they ran. Actually, they lost middle

476
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: linebacker Anthony Walker, who you know, it was not a

477
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl player, but he meant so much to this team.

478
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 1: We're finding out he meant more to this team than

479
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: we saw just with his smarts and with his leadership.

480
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: You know, they've got a lot invested in the safetys

481
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: and grand elpat and John Johnson, and either one of

482
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: those guys has played well. So early in the season,

483
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: it was the big secondary breakdowns, including losing to the

484
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: Jets and just unspeakable fashion. And lately it's been the

485
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,959
Speaker 1: run games. So Clowney is not healthy twenty three snaps.

486
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: I think last weeks, missed three in the last four games.

487
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: I expect him to play. I don't think he'll be

488
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. Miles is getting back to one percent

489
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: after his auto accident. And again, just like you look

490
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: at the offensive line and Chub, I mean, if the

491
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: Browns are going to have any shot to win this team,

492
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 1: it's gonna have to be Miles just making it miserable

493
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: for Joe Burrow because if Burrow has time to throw,

494
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: the Browns are introls. Do you anticipate Denzel Ward will

495
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 1: be out of concussion protocol and be able to go

496
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: in this football game? The Bengals Jamar Chase in particular,

497
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: was effusive in his praise of Denzel Ward. He thinks

498
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: that he's, you know, in the top level in the

499
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: National Football League as far as cornerback plays. Is he

500
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: going to make the dance they're hoping? So? Um, You know,

501
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 1: you can't put a timetable on concussions like you can

502
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: on sprained ankles or sore knees sometimes, right, but last

503
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: he's missed two games. Last week he was around the team.

504
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: He was in meetings. He was feeling better. But until

505
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: he passes that next step and can get back on

506
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: the practice field, he can't say yes. So with the

507
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: Monday night game, everything's pushed back a day. The Browns

508
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 1: are hopeful, but it's going to be at least tomorrow

509
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: and maybe Saturday before we know that. Let me hit

510
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: you on a couple of other injury related matters. Jacob Phillips,

511
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: who leads the team and tackles, he just went on

512
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: ir You mentioned Anthony Walker, the linebacker earlier. He's out.

513
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: David Najoku has an ankle injury. It sounds like he's out.

514
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: How significant are injuries in general for the Browns four

515
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: game losing stream, then a Joku lost is a significant one.

516
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:03,239
Speaker 1: He's he's having his st year and he's a blocker. Um,

517
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: he's a runner after the catch and he's been never

518
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: in his career before. Now have you thought that he's

519
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: going to catch the ball when he throw it his way?

520
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 1: Jacob Phillips has been was going to be benched anyway.

521
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: He's been part of the disastrous run defense. But you know,

522
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: they just don't have any depths in the middle of

523
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: the defense. And I think to an extent intentionally, they said,

524
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna go top to heavy, right, We're gonna bring

525
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: Clowney back. We're gonna pay Myles Garrett, pay Denzel Award

526
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: and they're saying at linebacker and defensive tackle and shown

527
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: up in the results. So they'll miss the Joku. Now,

528
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: Harrison Bryant is a tight end. They would play for

529
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: every team in this league. And he will catch passes

530
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: and he will get to the right place. But he's

531
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: not a threat, you know, to catch a six yarder

532
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: and turn it into a fifty yarder like Ninjoe who

533
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: is What about at the at the linebacker position, Dion

534
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: Jones has been nicked up. Is he going to be

535
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: able to go? Yeah? He made his Brown's debut last week.

536
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: He should be ready to go. You know, they have

537
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: Tony Takikaki, who's in his fourth year. They're just they're

538
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: just short there. You know. They wanted Phillips to be

539
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: a thing. He's big, he's fast, he's smart. They drafted

540
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: him young. They knew it wasn't going to happen right away.

541
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: But this was his third year. This was his first

542
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: chance to really be full time and he had three

543
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: bag games and got hurt. So that leaves a big

544
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: hole because part of the reason they're saying is because

545
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: they thought, hey, we're waiting on Silas and as soon

546
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: as we need him, he's going to step in. I mean,

547
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: when they trade for Dion Jones on a Sunday night

548
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: four hours after the game, that tells you it's crisis

549
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: mode as the linebacker spot, right, And it's been crisis

550
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: mode all over the defense for most of the season,

551
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: but last week was the second best in sensive effort

552
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: of the year. We know the Browns know the Bengals well,

553
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: and we know what the Browns are good at, which

554
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: is getting to the passers. So I'm not calling for

555
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: a Bengals beat down here. I think the bank the

556
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: Browns really have a chance. But between the injuries and

557
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: the way they've played and failed in the big moments, yeah,

558
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: you know, you see why one team's training positively and

559
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: the other team's not. A couple more questions for our buddy,

560
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: Zach Jackson. You apparently heard yelling coming out of postgame

561
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: locker room last week. Is tension mounting? Yes, tensions mounting?

562
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: You know whatever happened in there then, I think is

563
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: something that would happen in a lot of locker rooms,

564
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: would have lost four straight games, you know. So to

565
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: go way to the top way of this, I mean,

566
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: this is not the first time or the third time

567
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: in the last ten years that the Browns have had

568
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: a little bit of hope, a little bit of expectations,

569
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: and it's crashed. And it's just been in so many

570
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: different ways. You know. They they didn't coach really well

571
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: against Atlanta and New England. They didn't defend against the

572
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: Jets or even the Panthers. They won that on a miracle.

573
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: They thought they drafted the next Devin McPherson and he

574
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: makes a bomb in Week one and he's cost him

575
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: a couple of games since. So you know, I didn't

576
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: think a ton ton of that outside of normal stuff.

577
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, this is when the Browns made

578
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: the Watton trade, they were saying to the to the

579
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: NFL world, we were work quarterback away, we're ready to win,

580
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: and a lot of us look up this team and

581
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,959
Speaker 1: you see guys that are proven. I mean, the Browns

582
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: in their twenty five years back. I have not had

583
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: this much talent, this much proven production at any one time.

584
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: But it's just not clicking, and it's been a variety

585
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: of different things. And when you've lost four row and

586
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: now'll have this game in front of you, I mean,

587
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: their playoff chances are already about up as plane, but

588
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: I mean this could this could really take the train

589
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: slide off the track. So with that said, do they

590
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: have enough leadership? Do they have guys that are going

591
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: to step up and make sure the ship doesn't sink?

592
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: I mean, do they have people that will you know,

593
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: grab this problem by the throat and uh, you know,

594
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: shake it away or shake the problem away. Are there

595
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: players that will step up in your estimation or are

596
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,719
Speaker 1: they avoid in that area a little bit? Well, whenever

597
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: what happened in that locker room got broken up, the

598
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: one thing we heard was somebody yell, there's no belief

599
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: in leadership here. So it's a great question that doesn't

600
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: have an answer. And that's I think then part of

601
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: the issue. You know, Miles got in an auto accident

602
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: and missed a game. They need him. He makes everything

603
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: go on defense. Clowney has missed more than he's played.

604
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: Denzel's missed two games. You know, they changed quarterbacks in

605
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: the summer, and they're going to change quarterbacks again. So

606
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: this is the first time in fifteen years they've had

607
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: continuity in terms of thirty year coach, third year GM coach,

608
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: keeping his coordinators. That's supposed to be a plus for leadership,

609
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: for the little things, for guys figuring things out right.

610
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: And everybody has a tough thing or two go wrong

611
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: at the start of the season, but it's it's not

612
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: only snowball the times on the Browns, It's been different

613
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: things and that makes it both puzzling and then obviously

614
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: frustrating for a team that didn't expect to go nine

615
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: and two or eight and three without the Shawn Watson,

616
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: but they thought they'd be right in it and they're

617
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: just they're just not playing well. Our thanks to Zach Jackson.

618
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: And here's an invitation to join Lap and Wayne box

619
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: Miller at the Wings and Rings location and Liberty Township

620
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: for the Bengals pep Rowley Show this Friday from three

621
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: to six. Their special guest in the final hour will

622
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: be the g at the Goat, Anthony Moonyo's That's going

623
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: to do It for this episode of the Bengals Booth podcast,

624
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: presented by Kettering Health, the official healthcare provider of the

625
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: Bengals by Bengals Picks and Ultimate Bengals. They're free to

626
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: play with tickets and signed merchandise up for grabs by paycre,

627
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: the official HR software provider of the Bengals, and by

628
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: Alta Fiber future Proof Fiber Internet elevate your connection with

629
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: Alta Fiber. If you haven't done so already, please subscribe

630
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: to this podcast and if you have a minute, give

631
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: it a rating or share a comment that helps more

632
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: Bengals fans find us. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for

633
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: listening to the Bengals Booth podcast