1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Yo, I talk a lot. I know sometimes it could 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: be hard to follow me. But if you don't listen 3 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: to anything else, I say, listen to this. These people 4 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: don't give a fuck about you. We didn't talked like 5 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: your dad has passed away. I done took you outside 6 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: the office, We've talked about it, We've gone through all 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: of this. You wouldn't do this to me. Not only 8 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: will they, they're going to Yeah, like they're going to 9 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: do it. It's like they're going to do you. You 10 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: You're gonna get done. You will be done like something 11 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: like if you are, if you are making the track 12 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: towards being somebody important or influential, somebody is going to 13 00:00:44,520 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: do you. There's no magic or sinister story to a divorce. 14 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: Sometimes it don't work out. It just doesn't work out. 15 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: But you want to believe certain people will never be 16 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: happy because their lifestyles are antithetical to happiness in a relationship. 17 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: So you want to you want to believe like like you, 18 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: like you, you you. You want to believe that right. 19 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 1: You want to believe that TAMS gives you that. In 20 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: order to do that, TMZ has to treat those people 21 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: like they're not people. They have to treat them as 22 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 1: if their concepts celebrity is not a person. 23 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: That's why I guess comes off a little bit invasive 24 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 2: and ruthless. 25 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: Right, Well, no, because they're. 26 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: They're not treating they're they're treating them kind of like. 27 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: Well, you have to write like even even the TMS 28 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: tour was a celebrity safari, Like what's on a safari? 29 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, animals animals, right. 30 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: And so and so like when when you like the 31 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: tours celebrities to fight its animals, right, and so you 32 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: do that, right and what you what you say is okay, Well, 33 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: in order to be a celebrity, the game is pr 34 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: at its base, right, So this is what you sign 35 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: up for kind of right, because like there are certain 36 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: things that you don't sign up for. I'll never talk 37 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: I'll never I'll never forget this. There was the sister 38 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: of a celebrity that had that had had something taught 39 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: done to them. I'll never forget. I'm not gonna talk 40 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: about who I had the conversation with. I'm like, yo, 41 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: we shouldn't do that. And they did the story and 42 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: this dude went on fucking and let us fucking happ 43 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: and I was like, yo, we had to take it 44 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: down and apologize and do all that stuff like yo, 45 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: like there's a limit to this. And that's not me 46 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: making a moral judgment on the team team. I'm just 47 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: telling you the way things go. So like when you 48 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: know all of that, when you have an idea of 49 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:04,519 Speaker 1: what drives that, Like obviously they're moral. There are things 50 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: that you have to not care about to work there. 51 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: But most of the people there are good people. They're 52 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: just desensitized to whatever was going on there because that's 53 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: where they work, like like that, like that's what they do. 54 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: I'm there. It's the same thing. Things are coming in 55 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: at a certain point you go, god damn, you know, 56 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: and it's there will be little small things. This is 57 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: a football player that had this video come out of 58 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: some altercation. It was in and it said savage beating 59 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: by this and I was just looking at the hellline. 60 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, that's I don't think we should go savage 61 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: beating there, Like I think savage is like a that's 62 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: like an interesting way where there's just little small things. 63 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: The mayor of DC died Marion Barry crack maryor Marion 64 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: Barry dies like he died and like by the way, 65 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: the people in DC are gonna freak the funk out 66 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: because I don't know if you guys know, but Marion 67 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: Barry was with Martin Luther King Junior. Like where I'm from, 68 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: Like I deal with a group of people, the community, 69 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: people that are always categorized by the worst moment that 70 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: they have. And I don't feel comfortable with categorizing a 71 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: man that means so much to his city by the worst, 72 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: most scandalous thing he ever had. You can't talk about 73 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: his life without talking about that, Yeah, but maybe in 74 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: the headline you don't do that. So it so all 75 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: of those things start to start to happen. And so 76 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: for me, what the place represents it's not even so 77 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: much a bunch of not even so much a bunch 78 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: of moral people that are running around trying to get 79 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: the dirn on celebrities. It represents our relationship to celebrity 80 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: and our relationship to ourselves, because there's no fucking reason 81 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: whatsoever why we should spend so much time talking about 82 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 1: what happens in the lives of famous people. It just 83 00:04:55,640 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: really like, at its core, it just doesn't And even 84 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: to this day on the podcast, I still do it. 85 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: And the reason why I still do it. I don't 86 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: get the stories, but you try to extrapolate larger conversations 87 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: out of these things and talk about them with notable people. 88 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: But really it's just the need to talk about things 89 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: that people care about, and for whatever reason, people care 90 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: about celebrity and fame. 91 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 2: Okay, can that makes sense? So going back to your story, Yeah, 92 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 2: so you're at TMZ for nine years, you said, and 93 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 2: then what happens after that? 94 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: After that? 95 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 2: Wait, what happened with your ending in TMZ? 96 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: I got fired for an altercation inside the office with 97 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: a white boy. 98 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 2: You say altercation? No hands? 99 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 1: They say I use hands? 100 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 2: They say you used hands? Did you use hands? 101 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, not in any real way. 102 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 2: I mean not in a real way. What did you 103 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 2: do like that? 104 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: Or like, no, I'm not gonna smack nobody. See, I 105 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: would never This is the funny thing that would never happen, Right. 106 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 2: That would never happen. You say, a white boy, I'm like, 107 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 2: maybe you went light on him, you smacked him. 108 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: This guy was my guy, still is my guy. He's 109 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: a Republican. Whatever, tell you what happened. I'm an emotional person. 110 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 2: I can kind of see that. 111 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: Very true. Uh, They they wanted me to talk about. 112 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 1: There's only one thing I don't want to talk about, 113 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: Hurricane Katrina. I just don't want to talk about it. 114 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: Like even saying the name Hurricane Katrina, like right now 115 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: it makes me want to cry. I just don't want 116 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: to talk about it. I want think about, I want 117 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: talk about I don' want talk about it. I don't 118 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: very tough, very hard. And there was this story that 119 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: had gone on in the newsroom earlier where George Bush 120 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: was being cool with like Ellen Degeneress, thats some football games, 121 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: and I was like, it doesn't matter what you guys 122 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: say about George Bush. I don't give a fuck that 123 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: he paints. I don't give a fuck that show Obama 124 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: likee George Bush, fuck George Bush, forever like it. It 125 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. I don't give a fuck. Who's the who's 126 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 1: worse fucking forever Wheel was in the water. He didn't 127 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: care that. The way it goes like, hey, we're gonna 128 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: bring this back and you're so passionate about it, and 129 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: the thing it's like, guys, I don't want to talk 130 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: about it. Oh, I told you. I want to talk 131 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: about guys, and I want to talk about Like, no, 132 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, please, Pa, I'm like please, I 133 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: don't want to. I want to discuss it. I'm here, 134 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: I do everything. I've been the funny nigga for a 135 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,239 Speaker 1: long time. I've been the I do. I'm the Swiss 136 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: Army Knife of niggas. I'm the funny nigga. I'm the 137 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: basketball nigga. I'm the who look at the ass nigga. 138 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: I'm like all that I've been. This just I'm saying, 139 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: don't don't. I don't want to talk about it. You 140 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: gotta do it, fam we need you. Okay. So I 141 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: get on there and I'm talking my whole thing, and 142 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: this guy up there hosting the show, he's cutting me off, 143 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: and he's speaking to me in a way that I 144 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: don't like. Anytime you speak to me in a way 145 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: that I don't like, we have a conversation about it, Okay, 146 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: is it? So this is generally how this happened. I 147 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: challenge anyone to watch the video. Guys up there, he's 148 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: sitting down, he's doing the show. I know him now. 149 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: I know him like we're friends, and we're friends. Now 150 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: he's up there and he's doing the show. He's done 151 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: this already and I don't want to yell at him 152 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: across the newsroom make a big scene. So I go 153 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: up to him while he's sitting down, and I put 154 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: my hands on his shoulders, and you can see me 155 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: on the video. I'm whispering into his ear. I'm whispering 156 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: into his ear. 157 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 2: Does he turn around and do the whole big scene? 158 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: Nah? He turns around, and he moves his hand from 159 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: off my shoulder and I'll move it and then and 160 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: then I whisper into his ear, and I say, and 161 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: you can see me leaving. I pat him on the side. 162 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 1: You can see me leaving, and I do like this, 163 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: and I walk back. The last thing I said to 164 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: him was not something that you should say to somebody 165 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: in the office. He stood up and I was like, whatever, 166 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: I don't even want to The last thing that I 167 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: said is something. And so when I said that, Charles said, 168 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: Van go home. 169 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 2: What did you say? 170 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 3: No? 171 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: So like so, the I mean, the last thing was 172 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: a threat. It was no, no, no, that wasn't a. 173 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 2: It was a lights out. 174 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: The last thing was a threat. It wasn't a threat 175 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: as in I'm gonna do something to you. It was 176 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: a threat as in, these are my limits. 177 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, don't cross that line again. 178 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and and that's probably too far off 179 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: for Charles. Charles Charles goes Van go home. That's the 180 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: last time I was ever in TMZ. It was funny 181 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: because when they called me, I knew I was gonna 182 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: have to it was gonna have to bench be for 183 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: a little while, right, uh for that. Yeah, so listen, 184 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: it's funny. So I'm on the thing and I'm like, 185 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: I'm one of the phone with the HR people and 186 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: they go, yeah, did you choke him? And I went 187 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: wait what And they were like, yeah, did you put 188 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: your hands around his neck? And I was like oh. 189 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: And I was like, guys, this is Van. Hey, it's me. 190 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: Circus Bear like, hey, it's Vans. This is Van. Think 191 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: about what you're asking me. Think about if you're asking 192 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: me whether or not I choked Mike in in front 193 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: of the whole newsroom. 194 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 3: It's me. 195 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: I know you guys, it's children. I'd be around y'all 196 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: like it's Van, Hey, it's me. Now come back the 197 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: whole thing. I was like, oh, they about to do me, 198 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: and they did. And it was like the funny thing 199 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: about it was so all of these conversations. It's like 200 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: stuff happens. I end up being terminated. Karen, my manager, 201 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: like automatically has stuff. So we're taking all kinds of 202 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: means was doing all kinds of stuff. Nobody guys is 203 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: off me. We're doing the same stuff because literally my 204 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: contract was up at TMZ in about four more weeks 205 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 1: and I had already told them I wasn't resigning. So 206 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: if they thought they would have had me for a 207 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: longer term, there's no way they would have fired me. 208 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: But it's like whatever, this is a way to try 209 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: maybe say some money, get off from under Its cool. 210 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: So my it starts to get around the office and 211 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 1: I'm not coming back. So my coworkers throw me a 212 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: going away party, including the guy that I supposedly chose, 213 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: who comes to the going away party. And after that 214 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: that was on a Saturday. Pictures go up on Instagram 215 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: on Monday. Paid six colls me and says, what we 216 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: heard that you got fired. We heard that you got fired. 217 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 1: We heard it there was some kind of office altercation. 218 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: We heard there was all of this stuff, and I'm 219 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 1: like fuck. Now, I'm like god, damn. Now I'm the 220 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: six foot fourth scary nigga, are you six four? Don't play? 221 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: And so and so and so. Now I'm like and so. 222 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 1: Now I'm like the six foot I'm not like er 223 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: er er. And they put up an article and the 224 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: article was like super it went soft on me. Everybody 225 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 1: loves fan and all of this stuff like that. TMZ 226 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: got their asses kicked. Everybody was coming at them, like 227 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: everybody and so then the next day the office struck back. 228 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: And this is the one of the most important moments 229 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: of my career. Yo, I talk a lot. I know 230 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: sometimes it could be hard to follow me. But if 231 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: you don't listen to anything else, I say, listen to this. 232 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: These people don't give a fuck about you. They don't 233 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: tell you what we do as black people. Sometimes what 234 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: we do is like the record label becomes a crew 235 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: and a family, the production group becomes a crew and 236 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: a family. We gotta sign, we got a logo, we 237 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: got all of this stuff and boom boom boom, boom boom, 238 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: and we cool. I know your kids, I know I 239 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: know all of these people around you. We didn't talked 240 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: like your dad has passed away. I took you outside 241 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: the office. We've talked about it. We've gone through all 242 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: of this, you wouldn't do this to me. Not only 243 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: will they they're going to Yeah, like they're going to 244 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: do it. It's like they're going to do you. You're 245 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: gonna get done. You will be done like something like 246 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: if you are if you are making the track towards 247 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: being somebody important or influential, somebody is going to do you. 248 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: You will be done. So the question is for you 249 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: is how are you gonna respond to it? As much naive. 250 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 1: This is coming from a man at that time who 251 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: was thirty nine years old. I didn't think they would 252 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: do me that way. And the reason why I didn't 253 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 1: think they would do me that way, it's not because 254 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: it's because Yo, I know these people. It's to the 255 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: point to me to where if if I pick up 256 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: your baby and hold your back I'm from ban Rouge. 257 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: If I pick up your baby, if I don't fuck 258 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: with you and get that little nigga away from me, 259 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: But like if if I pick up your baby and 260 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: hold your baby and all your wife and I've been 261 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: to your crib and all of that stuff, I'm thinking 262 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: that there's gonna be a point where where somebody's gonna 263 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: want to make me look in a certain way and 264 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: somebody's gonna go, we can't do that to that. 265 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, but does it also make you wonder like kind 266 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 2: of going back to the Jesus days, like the whole Judas, 267 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 2: Like which one like with that piece of advice or 268 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 2: that's that statement? Do you think that people should be 269 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 2: also double looking over like which one in their crew 270 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 2: is gonna be the one that kisses them on the cheek? 271 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: No? No, do you know what we forget about Judas? 272 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: What that he got paid? The money is the. 273 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 2: Judas I understand. 274 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: So so hear me out. 275 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 2: So the root is always gonna be in the industry 276 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 2: in of itself. 277 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: The root the what pulls you apart, what brings you 278 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: together with these people is the commerce, and what pulls 279 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: you apart is the commerce. Yeah. Sure they liked me, 280 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: but I was good for business. Yeah you know what 281 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, they liked me. They definitely liked me. 282 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: But I was funny, and I was smart, and I 283 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: was devastatingly handsome, and I was and I was all 284 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: of those they like. They they liked me, but I 285 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: was good for business and a lot of the things 286 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: that I got away with there, I wouldn't have gotten 287 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: away with if I wasn't good for business. And at 288 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: that point I was bad for business. 289 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 2: So but they threw the mud back on. 290 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: You, right, So I was bad for business. And the 291 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: moment that I became bad for business, we talked about 292 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: it before. Was not a person anymore. It's like a thing. 293 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: So Judas, Yeah, he did what he did. They paid 294 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: him thirty pieces of silver. The thing is going to 295 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: get at you. Just be prepared for the thing, the 296 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: thing when you're no longer, when they no longer have 297 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: to protect you. First of all, anybody who doesn't have 298 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: to protect you won't. That's the first thing. And secondly, 299 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: if you're a threat to the money. 300 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 3: Your toast. 301 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: So at that point everybody is making them look bad. 302 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: They're like they don't want to be embarrassed. People are 303 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: asking if TMZ is racist. People are starting to say 304 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: the TMZ fire Van because vancd to Kanye West. It's 305 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: all of this stuff. If somebody would have got on 306 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: the phone with me, I swear to God, if somebody 307 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: would have called me and be like, Van, we're taking 308 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: the beating. Is there something you can say, I'd have 309 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: done them a solid because that's out of done them 310 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: a solid because I had no fucking problem with being 311 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: where I was. It was aw cool. I had everything 312 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: set up. 313 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 2: So, oh that's what that was gonna be. My next question. 314 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 2: So what was your mindset at when all of this 315 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 2: was going on? 316 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: I started having heart problems? 317 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 2: Well, I thought you just said that. What do you 318 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:17,479 Speaker 2: mean while were you having heart problems? 319 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: It was stressed out? Okay, sorry. Like when I say 320 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: I started having heart problems, it's like there's something called 321 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: preventricular contractions. It's like a skipping of the beat. Like 322 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: I was so stressed that I was like to play 323 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: basketball very active. I was so stressed that my heart 324 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: started missing timing. It was boomoom boom, boom boom. 325 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 2: When you were stressed over what just the whole transition 326 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 2: and where your next road was going. 327 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole deal, think about it, right, like the 328 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: whole deal. But here's the deal though. I say all 329 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: this to say this. People look for God in like 330 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: the sky. Sometimes God is on the ground too, He's 331 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: like right where you're walking. I had to go through that, 332 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: you know why why? Because I had to put people 333 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: through that. I had to go through that because I 334 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 1: had written and hit publish on headlines that had made 335 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: people feel that way. I had got on TV and 336 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: talked about people in a way that made them go, shit, 337 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: these people don't know me. I had been a part 338 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: of stories that portrayed people in a light that's not 339 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: quite accurate to who they actually are without me really 340 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: knowing them. I had been a part of that. 341 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 2: So but you had You've been a part of it 342 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 2: without the relationship. It's different. Obviously, if you have the 343 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 2: relationship and you're pushing the published button. 344 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: That all feels the same. Because like for me seeing 345 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: me on page six and seeing me going through all 346 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: of this stuff and me going, hey, guys, you guys 347 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: know me. This is not the thing. This is not 348 00:18:55,920 --> 00:19:00,160 Speaker 1: the deal. Seeing something out of context, played up all 349 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 1: the little micro feelings about black man, or right there, 350 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: which is a maritime before Van snapped. It's a maritime 351 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: before Van hurt somebody. This was a maritime before he 352 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: showed us who he really is. Remember, when a white 353 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: person does something wrong, it's somebody who did something wrong. 354 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: When a black person does something wrong, they're showing us 355 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: who they really are the whole time. So it's so 356 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 1: all of this stuff, it's like I went through that, 357 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, cool, no more of that 358 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: for me. I have to feel that, like I'm not 359 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 1: one of those persons. I always get caught when I 360 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: do something wrong. I always it always comes back to me. 361 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: He don't want me to escape without feeling it. Yeah, 362 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 1: so it always comes back to me. And I could 363 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: not leave there having done the Kanye thing and looked 364 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: like some kind of big deal or whatever. I could 365 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: not have left there without being on the other side 366 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 1: of a headline. And so that's the way it went. 367 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: Take the lesson, move on, continue to do dope shit, 368 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: do as much as you can, but like it. And also, 369 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: you know, I had been to Grilled Cheese Land already. 370 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: If I had to go back there again, I could. 371 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 2: Now that you're older, do you It's I've been to 372 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 2: the broke land. But I promise you I'm terrified of 373 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 2: going back. But I meet so many people on this 374 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 2: show that'll be like, I'll fault bankruptcy. I'll go back again. 375 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 2: I'm not worried about it. You're not at that phase 376 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 2: where you really genuinely don't want to go back. 377 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: To me, I can't go back now. I could if 378 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: I had to go back, it would happen, right, But 379 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 1: I can't go back now. 380 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 2: Why do you see that we lost dad? 381 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 1: So we lost dad in twenty twenty one, and it 382 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 1: just changed, like it changed everything, like when we lost them, 383 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 1: when we lost the old man. It's like I remember 384 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: when you get the news. I go to bat Rouge 385 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: and right away people start asking me stuff and it 386 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: really didn't matter. I'm not used to people asking me 387 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 1: stuff like in a family way, and then my decision 388 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 1: being what they do and shout out to build man, 389 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 1: like you know, Bill goes So, I a guy I 390 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: work with at the Ringer. Bill like hit Bill. I'm 391 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: like Bill goes Hey. It's like, man, He's like he's 392 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: honest with me right there. He's like, Man, I'm telling 393 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: you right now, when you go down there, now, it's 394 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: gonna be different, Like you're going to have to be 395 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 1: the guy. And I'm not saying that I am the 396 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: guy in my family. I'm just saying that, Like. 397 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 2: You're also the youngest, aren't you. 398 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the youngest, but I'm also I mean, in 399 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: terms of this immediate family, I want to parse apart 400 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: all my family dynamics, but like they rely on me, 401 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: so it it so because of that now it's not 402 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: even now. The fucking roof gotta get changed. Like stuff 403 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 1: gotta happen. And even if my dad was around and 404 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 1: he couldn't do it, he had a way to get 405 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: it done. He was a useful, resourceful, responsible old school man. 406 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 2: You say that, but going back to when you're mom left, 407 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 2: you were saying that, like if the stove broke, you guys. 408 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: Were like, w he wasn't that way with him, but 409 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: he would be that way with you. So if it's him, 410 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: he man. When I went to his crib, like after 411 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: he had passed away, like I see y'all got the 412 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: wires and all this stuff, and you know, it's a 413 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: production house. That's how it goes. So I go to 414 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: this nigga shit and I'm in there and it's like 415 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:29,719 Speaker 1: it's weird, Like death is so weird because you're gone, 416 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: but everything else around you is like the same. So 417 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: I go into his house and the outdoor channel like 418 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: he's a hunting fish, So the outdoor channel is still on, 419 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: like it's still on, like he's He's the only thing 420 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: that's not alive. 421 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 2: In the room is him. 422 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: Like the outdoor channel is still on in the middle 423 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: of the thing. His saddle is on the saddle horse 424 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: that you put on in the room next to him. 425 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 1: All of his hunting stuff is there. He has stuff 426 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: laid out for the next time he's going. His gun 427 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: is taking apart. He was oiling it the night before 428 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: he passed away, so like he wasn't expecting to die, right, 429 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: And so I'm going there and I'll look and I 430 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: see that he's running power out of one of the 431 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: rooms into his bath room. I'm like this, nigga is 432 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: good for nigger rigg and some shit. Why don't you 433 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: just do whatever you gotta do to have the people 434 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: come out there and have the power. I see if 435 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 1: it would have been me doing that, If it had 436 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: been me doing that, he say, boy, fix that. He's 437 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: just used to dealing with a little bit less and 438 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: then kind of making sure that you don't. So for 439 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: him to be like gone and for people to know 440 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: that they can't just because sometimes he didn't have it 441 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: to give to you. He just had a strategy for you. 442 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: And that's the craziest thing. When you need when you 443 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: need one hundred and fifty dollars for somebody and they 444 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: ain't got nothing but advice. You know what I'm saying, Like, 445 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: that's like that's the you know what I'm saying, Like, 446 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: that's that's sometimes he didn't have it, but like since then, 447 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: like I could go back to grilled cheese. I can 448 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 1: get used to anything, but we can't go back to grilly. Yeah, yeah, 449 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: I get it that we can't. 450 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 2: I get it. 451 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: It's like niggas. And that's funny because and they know 452 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: that because they don't even ask for the same amount 453 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: of money before. Like if you if you got a 454 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,959 Speaker 1: thousand bucks in the bank account, people go, yo, man, 455 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: let me hold, let me hold, let me hold a 456 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: hundred bucks, bro, whole hundred dollars. Man need that. But 457 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: if you don't, these numbers get crazy. What you mean, 458 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 1: Oh bruh, the numbers get crazy. It's like, yeah, I 459 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: need four thousand dollars. What the fuck you need for? 460 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: You ain't got a four thousand dollars life? 461 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, like what what? 462 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 1: What the fuck you need four thousand dollars for? 463 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 2: Man? 464 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: I mean I need four thousand dollars? All right, Cool? 465 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 1: You need four thousand what like what like I don't know, 466 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 1: like you know, you know, the whole thing and I'm 467 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 1: not like you. Hear other people talking about this and 468 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: they are actually really rich I'm doing okay, yeah, and they. 469 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 2: They hitting you for real. So when you come back 470 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 2: to you give them what your dad gives you. 471 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: Nat how to get this for now, I gotta help out, 472 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: like I gotta help out as much as I can. 473 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: But but see this is the way I help out. 474 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 1: I make you earn it. And listening to. 475 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 2: Me, oh god, I love it, Oh my god, one 476 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 2: of those I. 477 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: Make you earn it, and sure y gotta do it, 478 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: gotta do it, gotta do it. I make you earn Hey, now, look, 479 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna send this to you. We gotta talk about 480 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: how you live it. But we're doing it. 481 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 2: That's messed up, man. 482 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 1: I'm not a fucking atm hilarious. So we at least 483 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: got to have a conversation about how we could be better. 484 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 485 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 2: Now, I got rules of the game. If it's mom is, 486 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 2: just give me the bill direct. 487 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 1: We all know that all of this doesn't it doesn't. 488 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: This is not a mother grandmother thing. Mother and grandmother 489 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: don't they don't even ask, they don't, they don't even 490 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: ask like they really don't ask like they like it's 491 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: like you'll come to their house, come to my mother 492 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: in my grandmother's house, and they really do in the 493 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 1: old small TV on top of the big Curtis Mathew. 494 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, nah, man, we gotta, we gotta, we gotta 495 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: go get this whole situation so they don't even ask. 496 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: Obviously with your mom is not that big of a. 497 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 2: Deal, oh of mine. I'm just like, I have to 498 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 2: pay direct because it's never gonna get to whoever you owe. 499 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: They want your mom not gonna pay. 500 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 2: The bill if I give my If my mom has 501 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 2: a thousand dollars light bow, hence her one thousand dollars 502 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 2: light bow, you see where we're going, She'll be like, 503 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 2: you give her the money. She'll be like, I know 504 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 2: that they'll keep the lights on. If I just give 505 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 2: them ten, you'd be like, just the bill. So I 506 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 2: just be like, send me the bill direct. 507 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: I see. This is why I love talking to people, 508 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: and that's how I know you Black. That's why I 509 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: love talking to people because I remember back in the day, 510 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: I don't even know you could do that. 511 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 2: I never knew you could do that until I discovered 512 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 2: my mom can rack a bill's extremely high. 513 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: My mom time, my mom told me to pay the 514 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: light bill. She was like telling me come out there 515 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: and you'll drop them off seventy dollars. I'm like, drop 516 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: him off seventy dollars. She Saydeah, tell me you drop 517 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: them off seventy dollars. I was like, you can drop 518 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: them off seventy dollars and she was like, yeah, they 519 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: want you to pay something. You drop them off the 520 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: seventy dollars and then you come back a little bit later. 521 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: I remember one. It's just so many stories. Mom sprayed 522 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 1: mace at the feet of the light guy, the light 523 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: build god, so he could come cut the lights off. 524 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,360 Speaker 1: She made some she makes the light build God no 525 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: way swear light buil God. Mased them and then told 526 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: him that the house was covered in the blood of 527 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: Jesus and that if he came in there, his blessing 528 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: was gonna be cut because she was trying to turn 529 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: the lights off on her kids. Maceed them and then 530 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: it was like, I'm letting you know, this house is 531 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 1: covered by the blood of Jesus. She's coming here. This 532 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: is crazy. She had she had force, she had the Bible, 533 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: she had all kinds of stuff anyway, So all of 534 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 1: that stuff now is just like now you're blessed. You're 535 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: walking in abundance, and you're trying your best to be 536 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: available to the people that you care about. I care 537 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: about all of black people. That's why I care about you. 538 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: That's why you have to be investigated by the BBI, 539 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 1: and we have to make sure. 540 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 2: I don't even understand the point of the investigation, but okay. 541 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: The point of the investigation for you, the point of 542 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: So what we do with the Biracial Bureau of Investigation 543 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: is we make sure that we we identify the problematic 544 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: biracials that exist amongst us. 545 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 2: What do you mean the problematic? You mean the ones 546 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 2: that don't claim they're black. I knew that's what it was. 547 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 2: I knew I'm not one of those. I pass the test. 548 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 2: Me acknowledging my nationality does not negate whether I'm black, 549 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 2: whether I'm not acknowledging I'm black. 550 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: I'll say right there, I'll say, right now, your prospects 551 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: are good. 552 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 2: My prospects are hella good. 553 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: We're gonna have to go deep. 554 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 2: We're gonna have after you read, after you reborn a crime. 555 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 2: We could we could talk, but we're not going to. 556 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: I'll read Trevor's book. I'll actually add his book to 557 00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: it is the curriculum to be behind. 558 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,959 Speaker 2: One of my favorite books. Ryan, it's one of your 559 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 2: favorite books. 560 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: Ryan, you fuck with that? Ryan? You biracial? 561 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 2: You are what? 562 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 3: What? 563 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 2: What are? 564 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 3: You? 565 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: Vietnamese? Oh? 566 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 3: Soo? 567 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: One Vietnamese parent, one white parent. Okay, that counts. 568 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 2: But I mean, yeah, I don't know that by racial. 569 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 2: I was like, wait, you got blacking him? 570 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: Hold up? 571 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 2: You do that kind of brothers the second he said 572 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 2: biracial ship. But baby, you don't know, you never know. 573 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 2: But but no, you should. You should check out the 574 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 2: Trevor Noah book. I promise you it's a great read. 575 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 2: You'll you'll probably end your BBI commission after that. 576 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no. 577 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 2: I know what you mean though, because I've met people 578 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 2: that are like you know, they won't exactly acknowledge the 579 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 2: black if they're half. But I acknowledge it, but I 580 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 2: also acknowledged the others. 581 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: It's more of a bit than it is anything else. 582 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna have a lot. 583 00:29:54,720 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 2: Of fun with it, have fun with it. Is there 584 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 2: any way people could Keep up with you now, mister 585 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 2: success Story. 586 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: Still Grinding Hire Learning Podcasts on The Ringer Podcast Network 587 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: with My Fantastic co host Rachel Lindsay. Fantastic co host 588 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: Rachel Lindsay The Midnight Boys podcast on the Ringer Podcast Network, 589 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: The ring Verse. Uh you see me on CNN. The 590 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: movie company is doing well. Life is moving in a 591 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: positive direction. I'm not where I want to go by 592 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: my moay. 593 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 2: I do want to touch on the Academy Award winning, 594 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 2: like can we backtrack to that? That was before you 595 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 2: were That was after you're fired, So. 596 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been able to do it if I'd 597 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: still been at Team Z. 598 00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 2: Okay, did you know you were going to work on 599 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 2: that project when you were getting fired or did it 600 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 2: just come out? It was it around the George Floyd 601 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 2: or okay during the COVID during COVID Okay, yeah. 602 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: Okay, idea money execution. You never know what's gonna happen. 603 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 2: How do you feel about with everything that happened during COVID, 604 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 2: how these brands are now supporting black business? Like, how 605 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 2: do you feel about it? 606 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: What do you mean how they support it? I don't 607 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: think they are. 608 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 2: Well, they there was a period during the whole Black Lives. 609 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 3: To me, it. 610 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 2: Feels like the world had to come to an end. 611 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 2: Like literally, sports had to end, The whole world had 612 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 2: to stop for everyone to say, what is happening to 613 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 2: blacks is really bad? It literally took If I think 614 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 2: if sports was running at the same time, it'd be 615 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 2: like any other year. But what I did notice, like 616 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 2: there was a lot of like I know, a lot 617 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 2: of brands that got distribution because they were black owned, 618 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 2: or if you had a black in the title of 619 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 2: any thing that you were doing around that time, you 620 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 2: were getting distribution. You were getting sales from white you know, 621 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 2: white ran companies. 622 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. Ah, So it's interesting there was an opportunity there 623 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: that was missed. It was missed for merriad reasons. America's 624 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: inability to reconcile its relationship with black Americans will be 625 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: the thing that destroys America because if you cannot reconcile. 626 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: In reconciling America's relationship historically and contemporarily with black people, 627 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: you actually address many different American problems. You address American inequity, 628 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:46,719 Speaker 1: you address capitalism, you address you address so many of 629 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: the different problems that exist for Americans across the lower 630 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: class spectrum, right, But you can't really do it because 631 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: Number One, there is a way to things are supposed 632 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: to go in the country, and there's a fixed middle 633 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: to lower class in the country, and the threat of 634 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: those people becoming anything other than that threatens the way 635 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: things are supposed to go. With black people specifically, It's 636 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: this simple, and I know this sounds very unintellectual. America 637 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: just don't want niggas to have shit. Yeah, all right, 638 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: and so and here's the example to that. Real quick. 639 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: I'm not going to go on and on like I 640 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: do everything that America has told Black people to do 641 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: to get a hit in America, black people have done. 642 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: Black people bought land. We own more land in nineteen 643 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: oh five than we own now. Bought land top four 644 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: white owners white land owners, and all of America own 645 00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: more land than all of Black America combined. We owned land. 646 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,479 Speaker 1: They took the land. They took the land through terrorism, 647 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,320 Speaker 1: they took the land through contract buyd We started thriving 648 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: communities everywhere. They just said, no, we try to buy houses. 649 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: They said no, we tried whatever we did, they just 650 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: colluded to take it away. It's like you know, people 651 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: talk about Greenwood, I know, you know, Tulsa is the 652 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: one that sticks out in people's minds. What destroyed Tulsa 653 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: was not the riot. It's not what destroyed Tulsa. Tulsa 654 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,720 Speaker 1: was known as Black Wall Street after the riot. They rebuilt. 655 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 1: They had enough money to do that. 656 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:38,319 Speaker 2: You know. 657 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: What destroyed Tulsa urban renewal. Urban renewal, which was a 658 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 1: plan to take areas of inner city America, places that 659 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: were deemed inner city or low low income, and like 660 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:03,800 Speaker 1: run fucking freeways through them. Tulsa got fucked over because 661 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: they ran a fucking freeway through it. The people. They 662 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: couldn't take the people's land any other way. So they 663 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: use urban renewal, imminent domain, all different types of things 664 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: like that to dispossess these people of what they had built. 665 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 1: And they have their communities right, and so all of 666 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,760 Speaker 1: that stuff is to say that racism and the idea 667 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: that black people are supposed to be lesser than is 668 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,879 Speaker 1: so deeply entrenched in the American psyche that if it's 669 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: not dealt with, and if it's not, if we don't 670 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: come to terms with it, then America can't exist in 671 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 1: any real functional way. And it's only so long, right. 672 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: We think that it can. We think that it could 673 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: just be like this forever. It can't because you start 674 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: turning the blond eyed to the middle class, then you 675 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: erode your ability to be a stable community, right you. 676 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,839 Speaker 1: Income inequality a stable society. Income inequality goes crazy. All 677 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: those things happen because they're huge chunks of the American 678 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: electorate that people just are okay with saying they don't matter. 679 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 1: George Floyd gets killed in front of everybody, and then 680 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: people go, okay, well, maybe we should do more for 681 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: black people. Did they let us tell them the way 682 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: they should do more? Right, They donated to three or 683 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,839 Speaker 1: four places, made those places rich, and then heaped the 684 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: entire reputation on Black America on what those people did 685 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: with the money. So, like what I'm saying is right now. 686 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: It's people would answer to these questions, but they would 687 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: have to be the questions that would have to be 688 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: asked seriously, and they never will. Now, I want you 689 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: to have nothing brought you over here as a slave 690 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: in order to make it make sense to them and 691 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 1: to trick themselves into believing they have to trick themselves 692 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: into believing you were subhuman and after three generations they 693 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: really believe it. Yes, right. I mean when you're first 694 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: kidnapping someone and you see a mother being separated from 695 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,879 Speaker 1: a child, you might feel something inside you that says 696 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: that's wrong. But see about like one hundred years after that, 697 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:03,439 Speaker 1: that's gone because you have now like purposefully endeavored into 698 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,279 Speaker 1: a psychosis that makes you, that makes the way this 699 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:12,279 Speaker 1: country runs. Do you have to like approach that as 700 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 1: if it's true? And that's where we are, and so 701 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: the only thing for us to do is to disassociate 702 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: with that and do what eighty five South and so 703 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:27,319 Speaker 1: many other people are doing here, which is collectivize. Do 704 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 1: it for yourself, like depend on yourself and have solidarity 705 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: with yourself. See grilled cheese. 706 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 2: Too, grilled cheese too. Look at that grilled cheese. 707 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 1: You like it. 708 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,319 Speaker 2: It's good. It's good you too, grilled cheese. Thank you 709 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 2: so much for your time. We appreciate it. And I'll 710 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 2: catch up with you. And we're in La. 711 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, catch up. We'll have your We have an IR 712 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 1: on you. 713 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we're gonna see what your your reading history 714 00:37:54,640 --> 00:38:11,959 Speaker 2: is looking like. Hey, what up? Jay suck? All right, it's. 715 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,320 Speaker 3: Secret ingredient. 716 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,399 Speaker 2: Yo, Picture this a parallel dimension where Van Laythan's born 717 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 2: without his secret sauce, that raw, unfiltered candor. In this 718 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 2: twisted reality, that legendary Larry Flint joke never lands, Harvey's 719 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 2: approval never earned, TMZ producer status never achieved. And when 720 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 2: Kanye's spit in nonsense in the newsroom, insulting everybody in 721 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 2: their mama, ain't nobody stepping up to check him. But 722 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 2: in our world, Van Layton's keeping it one thousand. He's 723 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 2: got that freedom to speak his mind. And it's not 724 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,319 Speaker 2: just opening doors for him, it's straight up kicking them 725 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 2: off their hinges. Van Laythan teaches us that when candor 726 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 2: is your secret ingredient, life can hand you all the 727 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,959 Speaker 2: lemons it wants, you just throw them lemons right back 728 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,439 Speaker 2: and whip up a banging ass grilled cheese sandwich. I'm 729 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,840 Speaker 2: calling wit, and you've been listening to Eating While Broke. 730 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 2: Peace out for more Eating While Broke from iHeartRadio and 731 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 2: The Black Effect, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or 732 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 2: wherever you listen to your favorite shows.