1 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: Get in touch with technology with text from dot Com. 2 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 1: Hey there, everybody, and welcome to Text Stuff. Guess what 3 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: it's our five hundred episode. I'm your host extraordinaire jomp 4 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 1: In strick Linding with me is Lauren Buffalo. That's right, 5 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: my co host extraordinary and we also have a special 6 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: guest in the in the studio today. Special guest introduce yourself. 7 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry, let me just rip the tape off here. 8 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: Oh who are you? Wait? Where you brought me back here? Yeah? Okay, 9 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: so everyone, Uh, if you don't recognize that voice, that is, 10 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: in fact my former co host, our our our good 11 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: friend Chris Pillette. Who who how's your head feeling? Chris? 12 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: You know chloroform is so nineteen seventies. Yeah, you know. 13 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: We just wanted to go the full route. We really 14 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: wanted to have you here, and you seemed a bit 15 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 1: reticent on instant Messenger, so that happened. But anyway, here 16 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: we all are just chair. Don't you know? The struggle 17 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,119 Speaker 1: all you like? The chains are far too thick. The 18 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: interesting thing here, folks, is that this is the first 19 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: time we've had all three of the Tech Stuff hosts 20 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: in the same room at the same time with microphones 21 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 1: pointed at us. It's actually the first time that I've 22 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: ever met Chris Polatte period today about you know, twenty 23 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: minutes before this recording happened, right, you had been in 24 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: the same building as Chris a few times, but you 25 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: had never actually had the opportunity to meet him hypothetically before. 26 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: Now the two of us could have been the same person, 27 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: and I never would have known. Now we have been asked, 28 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: you know, what are you gonna do for your fipisode? 29 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: And I thought it'd be fun to open that up 30 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: to the tech stuff fans at large, also the small ones, 31 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: and they ended up responding in droves, and the two 32 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: most popular responses where talk about the history of tech 33 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: stuff and maybe explore the differences of what tech was 34 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: like when you started the podcast versus what it's like 35 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: today today being in twenty and we started the podcast 36 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: way back in two thousand and eight. So I thought, well, 37 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: the best way to talk about that is to bring 38 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: on the person who was with me from the very beginning. So, Chris, 39 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: what do you remember from those earliest days of the podcast? Well, 40 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: they were they were five minutes long. Yes, they were 41 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: told to keep them no longer than five minutes, which 42 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: was people are complaining that they're too long. Well, now 43 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: there are many many five minutes, right, sometimes way too many. Yeah. 44 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: The the very first well, first of all, we were 45 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: we were kind of taken aside by by the guy 46 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: who was the managing editor at the time, Connell, who 47 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: is now he's now a big wig with all of 48 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: the Discovery Digital. But he um, I think that's a 49 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: real here. Okay, that's fair enough. He brought us aside 50 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: and he said that he won to us to to 51 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: look at doing a podcast. We had already started to 52 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: record How Stuff Works, had already started to record podcasts 53 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: in a couple of different fields. They had Stuff you 54 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: Should Know which, Chris you were part of that originally. Yes, 55 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: so it's the original co host of Stuff you should 56 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: Know what, Josh Clark. So yeah, so we've got a 57 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: Stuff you should know all star on our team here too. 58 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 1: They retired my jersey. Yeah, that's that's fair. We did 59 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 1: the same thing to you many years later. But that 60 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: that you can't give milk anymore. So it's all right, 61 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: Jersey cal folks, that's the puns we've been missing here, 62 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: So missing being a relative terms. Chris Uh, I heard 63 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: the quotes around missing right. Chris and I ended up 64 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: being uh pulled into a meeting and talked to about 65 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: the possibility of making a technology podcast, And so we 66 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: went into the studio and we recorded a few test episodes, 67 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: none of which actually ever aired there. I I can't 68 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: even do you even remember what any of those topics were. 69 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: I don't, no, no, but but my earliest recollection of 70 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: episodes that just made me laugh was the the Blue 71 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: Ray Versus HD DVD podcast that we recorded, uh somewhere 72 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: within the neighborhood of I don't know, a week to 73 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: two weeks when before or after. I don't even remember 74 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,559 Speaker 1: which one it was when h D DVD was killed. 75 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: We actually talked about it. Was it after? It was 76 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: after h D DVD had died, because you and I 77 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: had gone to we were going to do it, and 78 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: then when we actually recorded it, it was like mere 79 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: milliseconds after they shelved it something like that. Yeah, Yeah, 80 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:39,679 Speaker 1: that was one of the earliest ones. The very first 81 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: episode we ever recorded was, or at least the first 82 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: one that ever published, was an episode called how the 83 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: Google Apple Cloud Computer Will Work, which was based off 84 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: an article you had written, wasn't it Christmas? I have 85 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: written very few articles for the website. That is one 86 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: of them. Um, and it was based on a Postconnell 87 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 1: actually suggested that because he had read this, uh, this 88 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: article by Nicholas Carr, who was a famous tech pundit. Yeah, 89 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: he wrote the essay that I've quoted quite a few 90 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 1: times is Google making us stupid? Yeah? Yeah, exactly in 91 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: Atlantic And as a matter of fact, we touched on 92 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: this anyway back sometime after that and the Frenemies episode, 93 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: because Google and Apple had been frenemies for quite some time. 94 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: And uh, the idea was that Google could do the 95 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: back end, Apple could do the hardware, and you know, 96 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: they would work together and that this cloud computer thing 97 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: would be absolutely brilliant. And it might have been if 98 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: they ever actually did that. Apple could have done the aesthetics, 99 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: because that's what I mean. Apple is known for making 100 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: these beautiful products. And yeah, there was the maps, the 101 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: maps look at their mat Oh yeah, I think Google 102 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: has been slightly better off in that if it would 103 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: have run on the Google Maps obviously, otherwise there'd be 104 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: bridges where no bridges should be. Uh. Yeah, that first 105 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: episode was five minutes already five seconds long or thereabouts. 106 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: I actually went into our RSS feed and looked it up. 107 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: By the way, guys, if you are iTunes subscribers, you 108 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: might be wondering, how could we have five hundred episodes 109 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: because you go back and there aren't five hundred on 110 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: their iTunes has a limit to how many episodes you 111 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: can have of any podcast available for download. But if 112 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: you go to the RSS feed and that's that's linked 113 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: off the tech stuff page at how Stuff Works, you 114 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: can actually go and listen to our earliest episodes. I 115 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: don't know why you would want to, but you could. 116 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: I listened to a bunch of research preparation for this episode. 117 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: Actually that was Lauren, this was this was so before 118 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: you were born. I think that we recorded those before 119 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 1: we figured out how to get rid of the horrible echo. 120 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: I mean, if you listen to the sound quality, Yeah, 121 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: there's some subty issues. It's not actually sactually not echo, 122 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: but it is there is some sort of tenniness to 123 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: the voices, which we eventually fixed. Uh. The another episode 124 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: I wanted to mention this one I thought was funny, 125 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,799 Speaker 1: just because you know, you look at those early episodes 126 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: and you think of what was important back in two 127 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: thousand eight. Right, one of the earliest episodes was do 128 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: I really need a digital converter box for my TV? 129 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: Which is ironically another one of the very few articles 130 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: that I've written for the website. Right, And at the time, 131 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: you might have yeah, these these days you might not remember, 132 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: but there was this big movement where we were going 133 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,559 Speaker 1: to move from analog to digital broadcast, and it meant 134 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: that if you did not have if you had an 135 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: older television set and you did not have this converter 136 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: attached to your television set, you might not get over 137 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: the air transmissions anymore. You wouldn't be able to your 138 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: your your television wouldn't be able to interpret the signals, 139 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: and you wouldn't be able to watch television. So it 140 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: was a big concern and there was a lot of 141 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: confusion out in the marketplace about do I need one 142 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: of these things? I'm a cable subscriber, do I need one? 143 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: And And it was just one of those things where, uh, 144 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: the information was all out there, it was just that 145 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: people were finding it really difficult to find that that 146 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: relevant info and so they were all thinking, like, maybe 147 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: I guess I better buy one of these things even 148 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: if they didn't need one. And so Chris had written 149 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: an article kind of explaining what this was, which people 150 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: would actually need it versus which people could just ignore it, 151 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: and then we did a podcast about it that was 152 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: about five minutes long. Uh, the final five minute long 153 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: episode we did because that that five minute time limit 154 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: lasted for a couple of months. Actually August four, two 155 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,839 Speaker 1: thousand and eight, was when the final five minute long 156 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: episode aired, and then we were allowed to go up 157 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 1: to ten or fifteen minutes. That was what the new 158 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: limit was. But that last episode was how Twitter works, 159 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: so we were able to explain how Twitter works in 160 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 1: five minutes. Apparently, well we should have explained it a 161 00:08:55,520 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: little hashtag there, hashtag joke. Um. The the first episode 162 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: that was the first episode that was longer, you know, 163 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: a ten minute long episode. This one cracks me up 164 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: to how the Facebook redesign works in two thousand and eight. 165 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: So there's been quite a few redesigned since then. I 166 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 1: was gonna say which one. Yeah, I couldn't even tell 167 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 1: you what that particular redesigned what happened with that one, 168 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: because it's been Facebook has been redesigned so frequently since 169 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: that time that I could not tell you specifically, I 170 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: didn't listen to it. I guess if I had, I 171 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: would learn. Well, it's comforting to think that things have 172 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: changed so little in in this time that people are 173 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: still freaking out every single time there's a Facebook redesigns. 174 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: You can always rely on that if Facebook changes something, 175 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: there's going to be a storm of comments that rages 176 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: across all social media, uh, saying it's the worst thing ever. 177 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: It's really what they mean is it's the worst thing 178 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: since the last time they did this. Uh. I you know, 179 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: sometimes I have that action two, but I try and 180 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: keep perspective. The very first episode that I could find 181 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: that was fifteen minutes long was actually a pretty uh, 182 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: pretty heavy one. It was can the government take away 183 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: my laptop? And that was based off some news stories 184 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: about people who were doing things like crossing a border 185 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: and then uh, the question of whether or not the 186 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: government could search a laptops contents for illegal material, saying 187 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: that just by carrying the lab right the same way 188 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: that you can search a car, It's yeah, it doesn't. 189 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 1: It was one of those questions that was really it 190 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: was an important question. UM. Another funny one that we 191 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: did funny in the sense that just from a timing issue. 192 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: On October eight, we published an episode about how Dean 193 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: Came In works, and the reason that's funny's Lauren and 194 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: I just got finished talking about how the Segway works. 195 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 1: So I'm glad to get into that episode because he's 196 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: a fascinating guy, like I should go back and listen that. 197 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: And the last one I have specifically written down to 198 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: just kind of a little walk down memory lane, and 199 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: we can chat about other ones too, but the last 200 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: one I've written down is what Happened to the Technology 201 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: of the Future, which we published on October twenty eight, 202 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: and that one was thirty minutes long. So that was 203 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: about the time where we were told we could go 204 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: as long as we needed to go, and that really 205 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: any episode that we recorded could be as long as 206 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: we felt was necessary in order to really cover the 207 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: topic and and address what needs to be talked about. 208 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: And uh, it's also funny because that's one of those 209 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: topics that we get requests for all the time, people 210 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: like why don't you talk about stuff that never happened 211 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: that when you know, we were like, where's my jet 212 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: pack kind of stuff, because we did that in two 213 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: thousand and eight and it's still not here. Yeah. Yeah, 214 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: we could just play that one if you wanted to 215 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: have a true Tech Stuff experience, play it twice back 216 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: to back, because that's about the length of a regular 217 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: Tech Stuff episode now these days. I was I was 218 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: gonna say that. It's kind of funny because once they 219 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: gave us enough time to talk about whatever it was 220 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: we needed to talk about in enough depth to do 221 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: that is when we started to talk about things for 222 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: so long, we started to have to split them into 223 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: two and three episodes. Yeah. We would get to a 224 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: point where we would record an episode and realize, like 225 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: Tyler would turn to us and say, okay, that was 226 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: an hour and seven minutes long. We're like, uh, let's 227 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: split that into two. Um. We We did get to 228 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: a point where our average episode length was probably closer 229 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: to forty five minutes long. Yeah. The first time I 230 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: remember doing that was the time we were going to 231 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: record an episode about Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. I 232 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: had to make one about Bill Gates and another one 233 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: about Steve Jobs. Yeah, it turned out that the one 234 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: section had gone on so long that it didn't make 235 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: sense for us to keep going, we would have had 236 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: an hour and a half long episode. And uh, and 237 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: that's that's probably too long. I think most of our 238 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: listeners would say it's too long. Even if you are 239 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: able to pause right in the middle and pick right 240 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: back up, that's still a lot of a lot of 241 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: tech stuff in one in one dose. Uh, there was 242 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 1: a there was another thing that was not exactly directly 243 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: related to the podcast that happened about that time. If 244 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken. What's that text? Stuff live? Uh, tech 245 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: stuff live now, Lauren, Lauren, I've talked about this briefly 246 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: with you, but it's am. It was. It was very briefly. 247 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: It was because it was did not last that long. 248 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: This was an experiment we had where we did probably 249 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe what six or seven weeks maybe 250 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: yeah stuff you said stuff you should know and and 251 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: and we did that, and I think somebody else didn't. 252 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: Maybe it was it was might not have might have 253 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: been car stuff. It might have been car So I 254 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: was gonna say stuff to blow your mind, except they 255 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: were called something else at that point, stuff from the 256 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: science lab or something. Um. But yeah, the it wasn't 257 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: nerve racking at all. Sitting in front of a live camera. Yeah, yeah, 258 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: that was that was the idea was that it was. 259 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: It was me and Chris sitting down behind a desk. 260 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: We had a live camera pointed at us and we 261 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 1: would uh it was streaming out live too. Sometimes as 262 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: many as twenty seven people. Uh thanks dad. Yeah, my 263 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: family made up about five of those. Uh No, it 264 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: was I joke, but it really was a very relatively 265 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 1: small number of people, which is not that surprising. We 266 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: were streaming in the middle of the day. We were 267 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: trying to keep as close to the regular schedule as 268 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: possible because I mean, if you're going to do a 269 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: live event, you need it to be predictable, right, You 270 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: need to go live when you say you're gonna go live. 271 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: We had the chat room that was open where we 272 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: could interact directly with our audience, and we would cover 273 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: about five important text stories that had happened in the 274 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: week since the last time we had done a tex 275 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: Stuff live. And so we also introduced a segment called 276 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: the Tweet of the Week, where I would I would 277 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: go through my Twitter feed of all the stuff that 278 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: I followed and picked the one that I liked the most. 279 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: Usually I would end up doing that about five minutes 280 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: before we went on the air, because I would forget 281 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: about it. That was our first major special effect to 282 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: the tweetcause yeah, one of one of the one of 283 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: the video folks would crawl behind Jonathan with a bird 284 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: on a It was usually Matt Frederick and he would 285 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: he would have a bird on a stick. It was 286 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: Tyler did it a few times too. But they would 287 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: have a bird on a stick and they would poke 288 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: it up so that it would somehow obstruct my view, 289 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: and they would mess around with it while I was 290 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: trying to do the segment, and it just became a 291 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: bigger and bigger joke each time, and they would do 292 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: a different bird noise each time, live live, fully produced 293 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: by the vocal cords, where it might be like or 294 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: you know, it just became these weird like I couldn't 295 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: even identify what sort of birds they were supposed to 296 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: be until there was one day where I the bird 297 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: off the stick, slammed it on the desk and said there, 298 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: that's done. The next week they came back with a 299 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: bigger bird. It was an ex parrot. One of those 300 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: birds now resides at my desk. It's actually one of 301 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: the ones I smashed. In fact, it was missing a 302 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: leg until Lauren found it and did some emergency glue 303 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: surgery on bad for it. The leg was just kind 304 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: of hanging out on a different part of the desk. 305 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: It was kind of pinned up there from my lamp. 306 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: Like to be fair, folks, in case you're being absolutely horrified, 307 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: these are totally fake persons, never never living. No, No 308 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: real birds were harmed in the making of Tech Stuff Live. 309 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: A few real video technicians were, though, so um but no. 310 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: That was an interesting experience because that was the first 311 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: time we had ever tried to do a live show, 312 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: knowing that there were people watching us at that time, 313 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: which meant that we could not really make a mistake. Now, 314 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: Chris and Lauren, this is true for us too. For 315 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: the most part, our episodes are one take, unless unless 316 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: we do something terrifying, you know, like sneeze in the 317 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: middle of something or say something that is not quite 318 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: appropriate or etcetera. We we might cut something out once 319 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: in a while, but more often than not, what you 320 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: hear on the podcast is one uninterrupted take from beginning 321 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: to end, and that's it for the most part. There 322 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: are exceptions. There are some episodes out there where one 323 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: of us just goes off the rails and something unusual 324 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: happens and we have to stop and go back. And 325 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: usually it's me, I'll go ahead and be the one 326 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: to say that, but but more frequently than not, it's 327 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: it's we just we go warts and all. Um. Sometimes 328 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 1: that meant that we had some less than accurate things 329 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 1: in our episodes where one of us was speaking off 330 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: the cuff, again usually me, but we tried to address 331 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 1: those whenever that happened, which brings me to another thing 332 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: that we used to do on text stuff all the time. Yeah. Yeah, 333 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: there used to be a segment that we would do 334 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,360 Speaker 1: on text stuff, a special segment that had its own 335 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: special intro. And so, ladies and gentlemen, this is where 336 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: I warn you, please turn the volume down on whichever 337 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: listening device you happen to be using at this point. 338 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: I am going to do a countdown from five to one. 339 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 1: When I hit one, I am then going to do 340 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: the amazing intro to this segment. You have been warned thoroughly. 341 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: I want no email about how loud this is going 342 00:17:50,000 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: to be five four, three two one listener. Usually. That 343 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:07,719 Speaker 1: was followed by Chris saying something like, uh, yeah, so 344 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: we we used to have that segment when you did 345 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: it all the time, and we're gonna start doing listener 346 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: mail again, folks, And of course I will not be 347 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: using that intro anymore. I got enough email, like Chris, 348 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: do you I think they've probably got us the most responses, uh, 349 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: most negative response and most negative responses were like could 350 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 1: you please stop screaming into the microphone. But what was 351 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: funny was that the second most negative responses was when 352 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: we stopped doing it and people were begging us to 353 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: bring it back. So we had that was kind of comic. 354 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: Two camps. We had the camp and also the nature 355 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: of podcasts meant that some people were about three or 356 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: four months behind other people, so they're complaining about stuff 357 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 1: that we haven't been doing for months. I mean, while 358 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: we have another camp of people saying, why aren't you 359 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: doing that thing you used to do that was always 360 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: fun Um other big events, we did a live a 361 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 1: live show at a convention. We went to Dragon Con 362 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 1: in Atlanta, and Chris and I sat up on stage 363 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: with Tom Merritt and Veronica Belmont, who are both tech 364 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: journalists as well as the hosts of a show called 365 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 1: Sword and Laser and we conducted that was also I 366 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 1: think our first interview. Yeah, I believe so. And I 367 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: found out something very important. What's that um that Jonathan 368 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 1: was not the only podcast hosts after who am? I say? 369 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: A lot? However, I'm not sure that there's a drinking 370 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: game for any show other than this one, right right? Well, 371 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 1: And that was fun because when when it started, I'm 372 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 1: not kidding, there were people who had a drinking game 373 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: for every time I would go U huh, yeah, that 374 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: trend continues. Yeah, yeah, I'm very sure that I'm filling 375 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: those shoes. The sorry about the smell. That particular that 376 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 1: particular show was fun because we started off with just myself, Chris, 377 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: Tom Veronica, and uh some of a couple of members 378 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,719 Speaker 1: of our crew we had. We had Matt and Tyler 379 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,479 Speaker 1: there and then there was a live studio audience by 380 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: the end of it. There was when it first started, 381 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: it was just it was just us plus the We 382 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: had one technician from the the podcast track at dragon 383 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 1: Con who was running the the the board for us. 384 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: But were you guys like set up in in a 385 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: conference room or in a conference room. It was the 386 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: conference room that the podcast track was using for their 387 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: regular events, and we were We had scheduled our our 388 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: podcast recording an hour before the room officially opened. So 389 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: but as we were going on, we're getting closer and 390 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: closer to the first scheduled event of the day, and 391 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: they had left the door open because they asked us 392 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: if we if they could do that. I said, yeah, 393 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 1: you know, I think that's fine. It's it's gonna be 394 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: a little weird having people come in as we're going 395 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 1: but I don't see why that should be a real issue. 396 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: Um and everyone else felt pretty much the same way. 397 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: And by the time our show ended, we had a 398 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 1: full studio audience, so that was a live studio audience 399 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 1: for the end of that episode. That sounds both thrilling 400 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: and completely terrifying. Tex stuff is recorded in one of 401 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: the live studio Yeah, yeah, because when it's when it's 402 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: not in front of a live studio audience, it's a 403 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: lot easier actually, because again, you don't have to worry 404 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: about making mistakes because we've got we've got amazing producers 405 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 1: who take care of all that for us. Oh hey, 406 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: you know, I just noticed something and it's a rare 407 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: footnote for those who have you who have been listening, 408 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: have you gotten a new computer since I was hearing? 409 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, so that's a running gag with tech 410 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: stuff as the idea about my how my computers die, 411 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: except for the fact that that's not really a gag. 412 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: It was true and no one has all the keys right, Yes, 413 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 1: this is a new computer. There was one. You didn't 414 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: have a tilta key. I didn't have an E as 415 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: the and the and there was a hole being uh 416 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: made through the a. Apparently I was secreting some sort 417 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: of acidic oil through my fingertips. I just looked up 418 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: and noticed that both Chris and I were doing the 419 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: same gesture. We're both holding the It turns out it 420 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: turns out I have a mutant superability. Unfortunately, it would 421 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 1: require years of me leaning against a substance to actually 422 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: wear it down, unless it's a computer keyboard, in which 423 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: case I can go through it in about six months. 424 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: It does explain yeah, well you know, I'm what can 425 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: I say? At one point I thought about being a 426 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: lawyer and something stick the actually actually, uh you know 427 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: that that wasn't really a problem for tech stuff. However, 428 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: at the time it was also Jonathan's editor. So it 429 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 1: was a problem for that, right, there was a point 430 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: where I could not type the letter E and I 431 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: just told Chris, like, all right, so here's the deal. 432 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: It didn't It didn't make editing very see. Yeah, yeah, 433 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 1: it became it became it became quite sort of trial annoying. Yeah, 434 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: it was. It was not good. It was not good. 435 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: It was a bad that was there was a dark 436 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: time in the empire. Um, yeah, it was rough. See 437 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 1: one other one. Other crazy things have happened during the 438 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: course of text stuff. Um, oh well we we we 439 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: talked about the uh, the large Hadron collider before it 440 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 1: went online, and that's kind of interesting because we did 441 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: a full episode on that not too long ago. And then, uh, 442 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: of course the Higgs boson has essentially, I mean you 443 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: might as well say the Higgs boson has been found 444 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: at least within a fairly comfortable margin of still being 445 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 1: scientifically cautious, but might as well. It was because they 446 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: were concentrated between the cushions of the couch, because that's 447 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: usually where things end up. But you know, yeah, so 448 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,239 Speaker 1: that that was kind of crazy, and uh see what 449 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: other what other fun tech stuff stories are there? I 450 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: mean we I had started my own Twitter account before 451 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: anyone at at House Stuff Works had really gotten into it, 452 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,479 Speaker 1: and uh, and so I am sort of to blame 453 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: for the fact that there are text Stuff Twitter accounts 454 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: now because people noticed that people were following me, and 455 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: then we were all required to have them. So now 456 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: we've got a tech stuff Twitter account as well as uh, 457 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 1: every every brand of the House. Lauren knows a lot 458 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: about that because she's our social media guru. Um guru 459 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: is probably an incorrect word. That's I'm I'm the poor 460 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: sap that they've hired to do that things. But she's 461 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 1: our social media octopus. Well, perhaps we should give you 462 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 1: a bird on a stick. Yeah, that's true. She she 463 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 1: did get to play with the bird a little bit. 464 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: I did. I did well, you know, I reattached the 465 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: leg because I felt so bad for it. But uh, yeah, 466 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: there's only so much you can do another thing now, 467 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: I guess, I guess really, Uh, Chris, are there any 468 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 1: episodes in particular that stand out in your mind? Yeah? Yeah, 469 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: oh wow. Yeah. I feel like that's probably a hard 470 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 1: question because I've only done what like thirty of these things, 471 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: and I already have no idea what I've recorded at 472 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: all that was that's pretty part of the course. Yeah, 473 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: once it's It's funny because we had a lot of 474 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: episodes where we had talked about specific technologies that may 475 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: or may not have come and gone, some things that 476 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: turned into vapor ware and another stuff. We talked about 477 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: vaporware a lot games and oh, I know, I know 478 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: some of my favorites. Uh, we're the we're not the 479 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 1: prediction episodes. So the ones that were not predictions predictions 480 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 1: are are tough. I mean, we've but you you in general, 481 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: tended to have a better batting average than I did. 482 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: Not that first time. Okay, the first time was a 483 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 1: little rough. But I listened to your most recent predictions episode. 484 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: When when did you guys start doing them to you remember, 485 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: let him keep score? I think it was he's keeping 486 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: score things may or may not turn out accurately. Just 487 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: just an observation on my part. The score keeping is 488 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 1: like five donkeys to every like four cups of coffee. 489 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,719 Speaker 1: So that really it was probably the most recent one 490 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 1: and I just started I decided to go a little 491 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: do with the reward system. There was one point where 492 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 1: no matter what Chris, Chris predicted he got an X 493 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: and no matter what I predicted, I gotta check whether 494 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: it was right or wrong and better one. Yeah, I 495 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 1: ran away with it that year. Um No. The trick 496 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: with those that that's the troubling thing is Jonathan and 497 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: I and and now Lauren has been forced into this, 498 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: um keep an eye on the tech news and you 499 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: know the people who we didn't Really tech stuff hasn't 500 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 1: really been about the news. It's really sort of about 501 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: technology and people, um. Which is one of the things 502 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: that the Jonathan and I agreed on when we started 503 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: talking about what we were going to do for the show, 504 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 1: because there are so many other people who do the 505 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: news and they do it really well, and they do 506 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: it very well, and they have more frequent podcasts like 507 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: We're never gonna be able to keep up with that, 508 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: especially because tech Stuff is recorded some time in advance 509 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: and by the time it reminds me of uh, you 510 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: know John, the writer who used to be here, who 511 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: I assigned an article and he turned it out in 512 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: a week, and before the week was out, the company 513 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: declared that they would no longer be making that product. 514 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: And I felt so badly um and and anyway, you know, 515 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: we'd we'd have stuff like that, and we'd be following 516 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 1: some story in the news, and so we'd make some 517 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: prediction about where it was going to go. And over 518 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: the course of a year that's just way too long. 519 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: And you make these predictions and you go back and 520 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 1: look at him and go, yeah, well, I mean it's 521 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: it's it's the same time it made six Yeah. It's 522 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 1: the same thing of any sort of prediction that has 523 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,479 Speaker 1: to do with technology. You look at what's this, You 524 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: look at what the current state is of that tech 525 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: or that company, you know, whatever it might be, and 526 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: then you project out, based upon where it is right now, 527 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 1: where do you think it's going to be an X 528 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: amount of time? And the thing is that that doesn't 529 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: take into account any other event that could happen in 530 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: between that span. That basically everything new and technology comes 531 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: completely out of proverbial left field. And is that is that? 532 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: I I don't know, apparently, especially anything about best Buy 533 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: or T Mobile. Yeah, at least as far as my 534 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: predictions are, well, yeah, I like I like that you 535 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 1: stuck with them, though he would make the same prediction like, Okay, 536 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: I know that last year I said that T Mobile 537 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 1: and a T and T would merge. I'm saying it 538 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: again this year because it has to happen another year 539 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: because by okay, I know for the last two years 540 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: I say a T mobile and are going to emerge. Yeah, 541 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: Jonathan scared me so much that that was maybe the 542 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: third or fourth episode that we recorded. It was one 543 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: of the early ones. And uh and yeah, he scared 544 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 1: me so much about it that I was like, I'm 545 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: going to predict that computers will still exist in a year. 546 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 1: I've gotten some flex. I'm not so sure that's a 547 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: good one back. Yeah, recent recent development suggests that it's 548 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 1: I mean, it's still early in thirteen. So, um, what Lauren? 549 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: That kind of leads me into a question for you, 550 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:35,120 Speaker 1: what was it like stepping into an existing podcast, you know, 551 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 1: knowing that someone else was leaving and you were coming in. 552 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: What was that like for you? More intimidating than basically 553 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: anything I've ever done? Um, because you guys just rock 554 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: it out basically, And I I had never podcasted before, 555 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: or I had been interviewed on a podcast literally three 556 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: days before the first time that we recorded, but that 557 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: was it. Yeah, So so yeah, it was a whole 558 00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: lot of me going like stuffy how does how does 559 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: it do? Right? Well, at least you you, I think 560 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: you hit that learning curve hard and you you really 561 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: ramped up your skills. I mean Chris and I when 562 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: we started, neither of us have done podcasting before. Well, 563 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: Chris have done a few episodes of Stuff you should Know, 564 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: but that was only for a few weeks and then 565 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: and yeah, so it was one of it wasn't that 566 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: long enough for you to really start to develop a 567 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: skill set, right. It was just kind of like, this 568 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: is what we're gonna try this thing. We don't really 569 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: know where it's going, and uh, you know, we both 570 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: had to learn through experience and to be fair, podcasting 571 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: with Josh Clark is a different skill set entire. Josh 572 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: creepy hands clark le. Then that's that's why is our call. 573 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: That's what I called him one time, just randomly, and 574 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: it kind of stuck as no, no basis in reality. 575 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: But that's another that's another history thing, the the foe 576 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: uh val between us and stuff you should know, because 577 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: we get people who actually they talked about you know, 578 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: how they supported us or you know, you guys stink 579 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: and the thing and we're like, you realized that we 580 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: all sit next to each other in the office, and 581 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: like we get each other coffee and chat and stuff. Yeah, 582 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: we're actually, we're actually friendly with one another. Yeah, this 583 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: is a fake right to the point where we were 584 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: actually going, this is not really real now, you know. 585 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: We would we would make a joke about the rivalry 586 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: and then immediately disarmed the joke, like, Okay, we don't 587 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: really hate them. They're actually great guys. Yeah. In fact, 588 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: they've been They've been amazing. We we received uh what 589 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: Twitter messages asking us if we were going to do 590 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: a cameo appearance on The Stuff You Should Know TV Show, 591 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: and I had to keep quiet. But if you guys 592 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: have been watching The Stuff You Should Know TV Show, 593 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: and you watched the pilot episode, which was the final 594 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: episode of the season. They put it last, even though 595 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: it was the first one they shot, and it it 596 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: is very different from the rest of the episodes that 597 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: they aired. You might notice that I'm in the background 598 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: and a couple of shots. Apparently I have not had 599 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: a chance to watch yet, but I already got I 600 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: got like all these messages saying, hey, I see the 601 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: back of your head on stuffies you know, yeah, yeah, 602 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: they gets around. That's it was really popular at c 603 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: S for a few years. Um. Yeah, there was a 604 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: talk I as actar now of this Weekend Tech and 605 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: Eric Sandean, who both of the time we're working for 606 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: a company called tech V that Randall Bennett had created. 607 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: They had suggested that at c e S they were 608 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: going to create a website called c e S from 609 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: the back of Jonathan Strickland's head, and that it would 610 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: just be photos of all the various tech but it 611 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: would be my head in the way of every shot, 612 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: and that they would even have live video, but a 613 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: live video would be mounted on a camera that's directly 614 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: behind me, so that you just experienced cees from the 615 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: back of my head. And uh, and I thought, you 616 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: guys have way too much spare time to even think 617 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: about something like this. Um. That's another thing about tech 618 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: stuff is that it it opened up a lot of 619 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: opportunities for h really for me to appear on other shows, 620 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: which was a lot of fun as well. I got 621 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: to make friends and be on shows from tech V, 622 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: which sadly now no longer exists, to Buzz Out Loud, 623 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: which sadly no longer exists, to this week in Tech 624 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: which still exists. Actually tech News Today, I shouldn't say 625 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: this week in tech tech News Today, which still exists. 626 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: So you're not a total alcatrast. Well, I mean give 627 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: it time, I detective pattern. Uh no, yeah, No, techn 628 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: News Today is great. And so yeah, I got to 629 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: do guest spots, and I love doing that kind of stuff. 630 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: It's always fun to connect with other folks in the space, 631 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: and they're all really really nice, and they tend to 632 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: be very supportive. That's something that I've liked a lot 633 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: about the podcast community is there seems to be the 634 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: spirit of collaboration where I don't really run into people 635 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: who are uber competitive. They all want each they the 636 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: attitude is that we could all succeed. You don't succeed 637 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 1: at the expense unlimited digital space for us all to 638 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: co exist. And it's not like there's there's only you know, 639 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: two sets of ears out there, and and we have 640 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: to fight for everyone. And if they listen to one podcast, 641 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: they'll never listen to another. As it turns out, most 642 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: people listen to lots of different podcasts. But what was it, 643 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: what was it like kind of watching your your viewership grow? 644 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: I mean, because I mean, you know, I'm sure that 645 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: there were like three people and your grandmother's listening in 646 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: at first. And it was really weird for me because 647 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: it was very much the same sort of thing I 648 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: had when I would write an article and then get 649 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: feedback on it, because you get so focused on producing 650 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: whatever it is that you're doing, whether it's an article 651 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: or a podcast, that you forget that there are actually 652 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: people out there who are consuming it. You know, you 653 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: are concentrated on the deadline, so you produce whatever you're 654 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: trying to do and you try and get it in 655 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: on time to the deadline, and then as soon as 656 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: you're done with that, you move on to the next thing, 657 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: so you're not thinking about that thing you just did. 658 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: You're thinking about the next thing you need to do, 659 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: And so I would forget like that this stuff is 660 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: actually going out to people and people are listening to it, 661 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: and uh yeah, once we start get feedback, it was 662 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: really kind of an eye opener. I'm like, wow, people 663 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: are listening to this and uh uh, you know, it's 664 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: it was. It was one of those things where I 665 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: wouldn't say that it was gradual. I would say it 666 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: was unaware of it for the most part, and then 667 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 1: when people would let me know, like, oh, by the way, 668 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: you guys are up to like half a million downloads 669 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: a month, I was a whole lot, you know. That 670 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 1: was that was a big surprise. When I when I 671 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: remember when we first broke into the top one d 672 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 1: on iTunes, that was a big deal. And when tech 673 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: Stuff a few times was number one in technology podcasts, 674 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: that was a huge deal because I knew the people 675 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 1: who were on the other shows, right, and I'm like, 676 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:47,280 Speaker 1: I can't believe this is amazing. It's phenomenal, and uh, 677 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,760 Speaker 1: those were all huge moments for me. And when Apple 678 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: chose tech Stuff as one of best podcast but that 679 00:34:55,600 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: was that was that was huge. Yeah, it's you know, 680 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 1: because we're not in on those conversations. It's not like, 681 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: you know, we know when everyone else knows when when 682 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: Apple published it, that's when we found out. And uh, 683 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: that was pretty phenomenal. And yeah, I mean it's We've 684 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 1: been nominated a few times for uh, like the Podcast 685 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 1: Audience Choice Awards. I don't think we've ever won. We've 686 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: we've been nominated a few times, but I don't we've 687 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 1: never actually one. I remember this last one they do 688 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: the award ceremony the same time as c S around 689 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: the same time at a digital media expo. And I 690 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: was in Las Vegas for C E S and it 691 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: was the night of the awards ceremony, and I had 692 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: not secured a ticket to go, and I had no 693 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 1: idea if we were gonna win or not. And Scott 694 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: Johnson of the Morning Stream was there, and I had 695 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 1: told him that I gave him permission to accept our 696 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: award on on our you know, he would accept the 697 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: award on our behalf if we won. He sent to 698 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 1: be a Twitter message a little bit later in the 699 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: night says you lost. And I wrote back, so thank 700 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: you for saying for not saying you didn't. In no, 701 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:08,399 Speaker 1: you said you lost. It's like any buddy. But going 702 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,320 Speaker 1: back to the question that you got about the the 703 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,760 Speaker 1: tech itself, Um, there's a there's been a lot of 704 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 1: change in technology and that's a really in a very 705 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 1: short time. That's a great point, you know what, I 706 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 1: think I think we should we should really focus on that. 707 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 1: But before we do, let's take a quick moment to 708 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 1: thank our sponsor. Now, meetings are essential to the way 709 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: we work. 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Click they 728 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 1: try it free button and use the promo code stuff. Remember, 729 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: use the promo code stuff. Go to meeting Meeting is 730 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 1: believing Chris, You were saying yes about technology, Yeah, As 731 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, I don't think there was even 732 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,840 Speaker 1: an iPhone there there was, there was. Yeah, iPhone was 733 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 1: introduced in two thousand seven, and we and so it 734 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,360 Speaker 1: had been out a year, but the iPhone three GS 735 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 1: was coming out just as we were starting, which was 736 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 1: the iPhone too well, And I remember three G I 737 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 1: was the iPhone three gens. So that was really confusing 738 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 1: because I remember remember all the confusion around the fact 739 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 1: that it's the second generation iPhone, but it's called the 740 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 1: iPhone three g M. And there was because because we 741 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: did an episode about that to explain why it was 742 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 1: the three G when it was the second generation iPhone, 743 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 1: right right, And uh, let's see what else we we 744 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 1: talked about DVRs and whether or not you could build 745 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 1: them yourself. Yeah. The TiVo was something we talked about 746 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, and in TiVo, TiVo's star has definitely 747 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: declined since two thousand eight. Uh, we had the iPad 748 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 1: had not yet launched. There was not a successful tablet 749 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,919 Speaker 1: on the market at all in two thousand eight. Yeah, 750 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 1: we we spent there have been rumors for so long, 751 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,440 Speaker 1: yeah about that, and I talked about that was a 752 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: prediction here. I famously predicted that if the the iPad 753 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 1: was really going to be a thing, it would fail miserably. 754 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,919 Speaker 1: What a great predictor, I am. You were so yeah, 755 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,920 Speaker 1: that was so not right. So I actually went over 756 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 1: and I looked it, right, Yeah, I looked at some 757 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,359 Speaker 1: other stuff. So interesting things to think about. Okay. Back 758 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight, Uh, the state of the 759 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,840 Speaker 1: art operating system if you had a PC was Windows 760 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 1: Vista because Windows seven was not out yet. It wouldn't 761 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,759 Speaker 1: come out until two thousand nine. Uh. Yeah. We were 762 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: very careful about not being critical about stuff at that point. 763 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 1: We hadn't. Yeah, we were. We didn't really talk it. 764 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 1: We didn't get into Vista attacks until later. We didn't 765 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: attack Vista, but we talked about how people were attacking right, 766 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: And to be fair, that was towards the end of 767 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,440 Speaker 1: Windows Vista's lifespan anyway, so a lot of the complaints 768 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 1: had already been hashed over a billion times by the 769 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,160 Speaker 1: time we went live. Yes, um, it had been burned 770 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 1: down and salted. Yeah. I was gonna say I think 771 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 1: that was the year that that Google introduced Android. It 772 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 1: was the year Google introduced Android, and it's the year 773 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 1: Google introduced Chrome. The Chrome browser came out in two 774 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 1: thousand and eight, so I'm pretty sure there were things 775 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 1: that were Chrome color before that. Well, the browser, Chrome 776 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,719 Speaker 1: Browser Rome, Chris, it's it's a browser that you don't 777 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 1: use because it's so resource intensive. Um, I use it. 778 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 1: I use it. I have it open right now. Uh 779 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,719 Speaker 1: the yeah, and so I Android debut, but well it 780 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,800 Speaker 1: Android had not yet come out when we started the podcast, 781 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,239 Speaker 1: but it did debut that year because we started in 782 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:22,839 Speaker 1: June Andrew Android debuted in September, so the g one 783 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,240 Speaker 1: really didn't become available till the end of two thousand 784 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,920 Speaker 1: and eight. I got that was my first smartphone, was 785 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 1: the Android g one phone from HTC on T Mobile, 786 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 1: and I got that in the beginning of two thousand nine. 787 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 1: Are you also an early adopter, Chris sir? No, No, 788 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,799 Speaker 1: I still still still have a flip phone. No, yeah, no, 789 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 1: they well, I have my first I've had my smart 790 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: This is my first smartphone here and it's I've had 791 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,840 Speaker 1: it for two years now. So it's that that was 792 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,359 Speaker 1: sometime into the Well, that's that's something you know, Chris 793 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,720 Speaker 1: and I are kind of common share this in common. 794 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,759 Speaker 1: We I don't consider myself an early adopter. I was 795 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,839 Speaker 1: an early adopted with Android, but in general I tend 796 00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: to wait to make sure that the technology is robust 797 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 1: enough before I go all in. There a couple of exceptions. 798 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 1: Part of my thing was I'm cheap. There's also that 799 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 1: that that's my that's my philosophy with video games. If 800 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 1: you can wait for a while and it drops from 801 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 1: sixty dollars to twenty bucks. Yeah, but that that might 802 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,240 Speaker 1: change pretty soon. The whole that whole market may change 803 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:28,440 Speaker 1: before too long. And yeah, so okay, getting back to uh, 804 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 1: operating systems. The mac os ten ten point five operating system, 805 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 1: which was Leopard was the standard, and snow Leopard was 806 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 1: coming out just after we started recording. Um. Uh, carefully 807 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,719 Speaker 1: at that photo, by the way, that leopard looks like 808 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:49,080 Speaker 1: he might have just eaten. Two thousand eight, Wired had 809 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: a list of the top breakthroughs in technology, and it's 810 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,000 Speaker 1: kind of interesting to see what was a breakthrough in 811 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,400 Speaker 1: two thousand eight flexible displays, which we saw for the 812 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,279 Speaker 1: first time at ce S. As I recall, UH still 813 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,239 Speaker 1: kind of waiting on those. Yeah, there's there's a few 814 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 1: semies that were introduced at c that were curved, but 815 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,480 Speaker 1: but even then, you know, the flexible displays tend to 816 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,520 Speaker 1: be static right there. They're flexible in the sense that 817 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,399 Speaker 1: you can not that kind of stealtic. They don't they're 818 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,480 Speaker 1: not bending. You can't bend them. You can't see from 819 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 1: where you're sitting. But our producer just like like flipped 820 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:27,240 Speaker 1: his head around with everything's okay, don't go into the lightning, 821 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,840 Speaker 1: don't go into the light Uh. The Speedo l z 822 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,000 Speaker 1: R swimsuit was listed as one of the breakthroughs of 823 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight. That was one that used the 824 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:41,800 Speaker 1: NASA materials to relay to to to reduce viscous drag 825 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,920 Speaker 1: the swimsuit. That's the first time I remember you ever 826 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,680 Speaker 1: saying viscus in the podcast. Um, I love that word. Um. Yeah. Actually, 827 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,359 Speaker 1: actually that was that was a big deal that year 828 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,240 Speaker 1: because that was an Olympic here, if I'm not mistaken, 829 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:54,799 Speaker 1: and they were wondering whether or not they were going 830 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,520 Speaker 1: to allow it, and they ultimately did. Flash memory was 831 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,759 Speaker 1: listed as a breakthrough. Not that flash memory came into 832 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 1: existence in two thousand eight, but it was it was 833 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,360 Speaker 1: starting to come into prominence, mainly due to the iPhone. 834 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:11,920 Speaker 1: So the GPS proliferation Again, GPS had been around for decades, 835 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,440 Speaker 1: but again, devices like the iPhone, we're bringing GPS into 836 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,359 Speaker 1: more hands than before, so that became something that people 837 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,560 Speaker 1: were interested in. How about this, do you remember this? 838 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 1: We were gonna do an episode about it, and I 839 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:29,200 Speaker 1: don't think we ever did memory stas. Oh, yeah, that's true. Oh, 840 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 1: you still haven't done the one on We had a 841 00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,760 Speaker 1: listener right in and asked us to do an episode 842 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 1: about cantanas, and that has been um one that's been 843 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:42,239 Speaker 1: on our list forever. But it's so technical that I'm 844 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:46,040 Speaker 1: worried that I cannot explain it properly, especially without the 845 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,400 Speaker 1: use of visuals, so I've always put it off. So 846 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:55,799 Speaker 1: that's become like the standing behind the scenes joke Windmills topic. Yeah, 847 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,239 Speaker 1: that has not happened. USB three point Oh oh he 848 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,200 Speaker 1: has another breakthrough which we're finally starting to see in 849 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:06,319 Speaker 1: in uh in laptops now um oh. Then of course 850 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,680 Speaker 1: the article that went along with it. But the technology 851 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:14,440 Speaker 1: that is now known as Thunderbolt. Uh did a podcast, 852 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,239 Speaker 1: didn't we? Yeah? We did, and had to clarify later 853 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,719 Speaker 1: that it was actually going to be called something else. Yes, yes, 854 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,799 Speaker 1: we did, we did that, And what about here's another one. 855 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,279 Speaker 1: This is another breakthrough two eight breakthrough. This to me 856 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:31,880 Speaker 1: is an amusing breakthrough video capable SLR cameras, which are 857 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,680 Speaker 1: everywhere now. I guess that was a breakthrough because I mean, 858 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,520 Speaker 1: we our own video team uses some so it's kind 859 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,520 Speaker 1: of interesting to actually see that as a breakthrough. Back 860 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,359 Speaker 1: in two thousand eight, we did a podcast shortly before 861 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,480 Speaker 1: I departed about Kodak, And in two thousand eight, I'm 862 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 1: pretty sure we would not have predicted the demise or 863 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,040 Speaker 1: near demise of Kodak. Yeah. Yeah, a few companies have 864 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,680 Speaker 1: gone under. Uh. You know, back in two thousand eight, 865 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,160 Speaker 1: my Space was still a viable social network. It was 866 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,080 Speaker 1: still doing pretty well. Yeah, and uh and so I mean, 867 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,080 Speaker 1: I actually downloaded my Twitter history not too long ago, 868 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:06,759 Speaker 1: and I went through and was reading it, and my 869 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,720 Speaker 1: Twitter history actually pre dates when we started recording the podcast. 870 00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 1: In fact, I see there was a tweet I made 871 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,440 Speaker 1: fairly early on where I was all excited about the 872 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 1: idea of getting to do a podcast. I'm like, oh cool, 873 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,120 Speaker 1: I'll have to remember that. Um, But then yeah, I was. 874 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,960 Speaker 1: I was talking about how it was interesting to discover 875 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:28,520 Speaker 1: that someone's relationship status had changed due to a flipped 876 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,960 Speaker 1: switch on my Space, and I'm like, really, my Space. 877 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,640 Speaker 1: I guess maybe I I wasn't so big into Facebook 878 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,759 Speaker 1: at the time. And it's true. In two thousand and eight, 879 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:42,120 Speaker 1: Back in August two thousand eight, Facebook hit one million users. 880 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,920 Speaker 1: Now they're over one billion, but back in two thousand 881 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:47,800 Speaker 1: it was a hundred millions. Still a lot of people, 882 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,319 Speaker 1: but not nearly as many as there are now, and 883 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,360 Speaker 1: it had only been open to the general public for 884 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,640 Speaker 1: two years at that point. I didn't even have a 885 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,920 Speaker 1: Facebook or Twitter until two nine, so well, you know, 886 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,439 Speaker 1: you were like I was a toddler at the time, 887 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,200 Speaker 1: so you know, I couldn't speak human language yet. So 888 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,239 Speaker 1: it's nice because I'm not the oldest person in the 889 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,640 Speaker 1: room right now, because Chris is here, so Lauren could 890 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,520 Speaker 1: pick on him for a while. As soon as I 891 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:17,880 Speaker 1: get untied Twitter. Twitter was hitting around a hundred million 892 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,880 Speaker 1: tweets per quarter, and it grew I think like seven 893 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,320 Speaker 1: hundreds something something percent over the course of two doesn't 894 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,480 Speaker 1: eat right. It had been introduced in two thousand seven 895 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,880 Speaker 1: at south By Southwest, and so it had been around 896 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,880 Speaker 1: for a while, but it was still I don't think 897 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:35,160 Speaker 1: it had really caught on yet even then, because I 898 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,440 Speaker 1: mean I remember when I was and you know, I 899 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 1: like social media stuff, but I remember when I started 900 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,120 Speaker 1: using it, I was like, what the heck would anyone 901 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,399 Speaker 1: use this thing for? And I wrote an article about 902 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:45,960 Speaker 1: and I still wasn't sure. And it was about three 903 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,720 Speaker 1: months after I had written the article that I finally 904 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,960 Speaker 1: started actually using Twitter sharing what you had for breakfast. 905 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,880 Speaker 1: It's really not that hard, come on, Okay, once I 906 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,839 Speaker 1: figured it out, it all made sense. Hulu launched in 907 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:03,360 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, Will never work. Netflix launched unlimited 908 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,600 Speaker 1: streaming in two thousand eight. Work. No, they'll just stick 909 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,400 Speaker 1: with the DVD thing. Also, you know what became a 910 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,760 Speaker 1: thing in two thousand and eight. It was a huge trend, 911 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,839 Speaker 1: and in fact, you can tell that it was really 912 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,759 Speaker 1: powerful one by how by its presence in the market today. Netbooks. 913 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,120 Speaker 1: Netbooks became a thing in two thousand eight. So yeah, 914 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,640 Speaker 1: that books was a little, tiny, underpowered laptop. You mean 915 00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,319 Speaker 1: you mean kind of like an iPad except it has 916 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,120 Speaker 1: a keyboard attach. Yeah, yeah, Because I mean back back 917 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,440 Speaker 1: when into things, they're never going to take off either, Okay, right, 918 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,680 Speaker 1: I did buy in net book? Uh, I no, longer 919 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,080 Speaker 1: use it. I don't have an iPad though I got 920 00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,279 Speaker 1: a tablet, but it's not iPad. Uh. Yeah, I have 921 00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,520 Speaker 1: that HD DVD died and that Blue Rain won the 922 00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,080 Speaker 1: the High Definition Wars in two thousand eight. Chris and 923 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,799 Speaker 1: I got to see direct evidence of that because when 924 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,120 Speaker 1: we went to cs that year. Uh, we went to 925 00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,560 Speaker 1: see e S before tech stuff was existed, before it existed, 926 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,520 Speaker 1: but that was right about the same time. The genesis 927 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,520 Speaker 1: of tech stuff was right about two eight. At the beginning, Yeah, 928 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,239 Speaker 1: we were talking about it. We didn't, like I said, 929 00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,520 Speaker 1: the first episode didn't publish till June, but we had 930 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,120 Speaker 1: been talking about it for a while. So we go 931 00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,000 Speaker 1: to c E S And Chris and I both went 932 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:16,400 Speaker 1: that year, and uh, and it was I remember seeing 933 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,520 Speaker 1: the blu ray booth. I think it was Pirates of 934 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,000 Speaker 1: the Caribbean things. Wasn't. Yeah, there was a giant ship 935 00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,120 Speaker 1: right there in the middle of the floor, so it 936 00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:29,879 Speaker 1: wasn't far from those uh take home mechanical bowl things. Yeah, right, 937 00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:31,759 Speaker 1: it was. It wasn't a mechanical ball. It was a 938 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,560 Speaker 1: saddle that you were supposed to ride to develop your ABS. 939 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,359 Speaker 1: I tried to get Chris on one so I could 940 00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,560 Speaker 1: take a picture and he flat out refused, which was 941 00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,839 Speaker 1: it was the right decision. I for the longest time, 942 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,840 Speaker 1: I had a picture of that up on my on 943 00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:51,080 Speaker 1: my cubicle wall. I had to pick the the press 944 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,439 Speaker 1: release that they gave out back then they gave out 945 00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:57,640 Speaker 1: paper press releases for everything too. We we both carried 946 00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,839 Speaker 1: back home about fifty pounds worth of co yeah, and 947 00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,880 Speaker 1: a good stack of CD s. Yeah. This was before 948 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,400 Speaker 1: they started going to USB drives or or better yet online. 949 00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,399 Speaker 1: That's just um but yeah, so we anyway, the blue 950 00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,120 Speaker 1: ray booth was huge, and then we go over to 951 00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,279 Speaker 1: where the HD DVD booth was supposed to be and 952 00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:20,840 Speaker 1: it's just empty. Yeah. I I also remember talking about 953 00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,400 Speaker 1: satellite radio some back. Yeah, we did before Serious and 954 00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,120 Speaker 1: XM merge. We had an episode about what will happen 955 00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,680 Speaker 1: when those two companies merge, So that was kind of funny. Uh. 956 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,040 Speaker 1: Let's say the green tech became a huge buzzword in 957 00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,520 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, and it was interesting because over 958 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,680 Speaker 1: the next couple of years it really became a focal point, 959 00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:43,920 Speaker 1: like people were really really, at least seemingly passionate about it, 960 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,280 Speaker 1: whether they were sincere or not is up for debate. 961 00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,239 Speaker 1: But these days I would argue that green tech not 962 00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,319 Speaker 1: nearly as stressed as it was back in two thousand eight, 963 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,879 Speaker 1: two thin ten, that time period. Now it's just not 964 00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,600 Speaker 1: I mean, there's still companies that are dedicated to making 965 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,200 Speaker 1: energy efficient products, but they just call it tech. Yeah, 966 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,560 Speaker 1: they don't call it green tech. In you like there 967 00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,720 Speaker 1: there aren't that many companies dedicated to this whole green 968 00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:13,240 Speaker 1: tech idea. Um and uh. In fact, one of our peers, 969 00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,319 Speaker 1: Jamie who who writes for tree Hugger, she would she 970 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,160 Speaker 1: actually said, well, this kind of makes sense because when 971 00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,319 Speaker 1: you look at technology, it's really a lot of it 972 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:26,600 Speaker 1: is mostly about consumerism, and consumerism and green aren't a 973 00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,719 Speaker 1: little a little bit. They don't really overlap. The ven 974 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,080 Speaker 1: diagram is not so great on that. Um. Just ask 975 00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,480 Speaker 1: anybody who replaces their smartphone more than once a year. 976 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,960 Speaker 1: Two thousand eight was when the LHC was finished. Cloud 977 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,080 Speaker 1: computing became a buzzword in two thousand eight. Now we 978 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,000 Speaker 1: all know what it is, but back then we weren't 979 00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:49,719 Speaker 1: so sure. Geo tagging was very popular, and so now 980 00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,400 Speaker 1: we've got things like four Square and Facebook places, and 981 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,680 Speaker 1: Google allows you to put in pins in places you go, 982 00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,720 Speaker 1: but it was still pretty new back then. Uh, Voodoo 983 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:04,240 Speaker 1: look Ations, Dr Dre and Monster Cable came together to 984 00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:09,440 Speaker 1: create the Beats Audio headphones. Yeah, those are actually in 985 00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,560 Speaker 1: my My personal laptop has Beats Audio. Not that I 986 00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,320 Speaker 1: didn't pick the laptop because of that, It just happened 987 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,120 Speaker 1: that that would happened to be one of the features 988 00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:21,120 Speaker 1: you want that beats me. Yeah. Yeah. We also talked 989 00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,360 Speaker 1: about on the podcast whether you know you could actually 990 00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:32,440 Speaker 1: replace um Monster cables with codgers. The answer yes, don't 991 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,080 Speaker 1: do it depending on who you ask. Yeah, but no. Essentially, 992 00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,360 Speaker 1: if you're using if you're using really, you know, decent copper, 993 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,600 Speaker 1: then you're going to get a good connection. Now great, 994 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,160 Speaker 1: if you're using an uninsulated copper wire, that could lead 995 00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,879 Speaker 1: to problems. So that's why you don't do it. But uh. 996 00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,440 Speaker 1: The Roku box was introduced in two thousand eight. The 997 00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,120 Speaker 1: Sony e Reader was picked as one of the top 998 00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,319 Speaker 1: ten gadgets of two thousand eight by the Guardian. The 999 00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,560 Speaker 1: Amazon Kindle came out in late two thousand and seven, 1000 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,800 Speaker 1: so it's interesting that the Guardian picked the Sony e 1001 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,479 Speaker 1: Reader as a top ten gadget of two thousand and eight. 1002 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,279 Speaker 1: Considering that you know in the when you look at 1003 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,759 Speaker 1: the long run, the Kindle ran away with it. You 1004 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,160 Speaker 1: know that the Kindle has has more than beat out 1005 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:20,040 Speaker 1: the competition in the e reader space. Uh that that'll 1006 00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,279 Speaker 1: never take up a wait. Wait hey, now it's gonna 1007 00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:26,440 Speaker 1: be huge. Wait. So other top gadgets that the Guardian 1008 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:31,080 Speaker 1: listed included the Sony Flip Ultra Sony Flip no longer 1009 00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,240 Speaker 1: a thing. Uh. The one of them was a digital 1010 00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:39,319 Speaker 1: photo frame. Do you remember those? I do? Another one 1011 00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:43,360 Speaker 1: was a netbook. One was the we Fit. Like again, 1012 00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,839 Speaker 1: these these are things that you know made a big 1013 00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,600 Speaker 1: impact when they first came out, and then did not 1014 00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,080 Speaker 1: none of them, not many of us. Yeah, we Fit. 1015 00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:53,719 Speaker 1: That was one of those things that people were really 1016 00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,840 Speaker 1: excited about for about three or four months. That's about 1017 00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,520 Speaker 1: how excited people are about exercising ever about three or 1018 00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,080 Speaker 1: four months. Then they stop and then it just doesn't 1019 00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,920 Speaker 1: get used. We Fit it has. The balance board has 1020 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,080 Speaker 1: sort of a disadvantage compared to other exercise equipment because 1021 00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,160 Speaker 1: you can't hang your clothes on it like you can 1022 00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,520 Speaker 1: with the stair stepper. Right, it doesn't it doesn't it's 1023 00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,480 Speaker 1: not a multitasker, is what you're saying. I mean, if 1024 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,480 Speaker 1: maybe you have a shelf that's just barely out of reach, 1025 00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,240 Speaker 1: it could be a very tiny step letter if only 1026 00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:29,040 Speaker 1: I had that extra inch and a half heel. Right, 1027 00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:34,080 Speaker 1: Oh wait, look let's grab the we fit honey. Yeah. 1028 00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,560 Speaker 1: So anyway, that's that's the list of stuff I had 1029 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,319 Speaker 1: that happened in two thousand and eight compared to what's 1030 00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,520 Speaker 1: going on today. What's interesting is that there are some parallels. 1031 00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,759 Speaker 1: I mean, like the Windows Vista problem right where you 1032 00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:49,720 Speaker 1: had this big issue with the perception of Windows Vista, 1033 00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,319 Speaker 1: which you know, when it launched, there were a lot 1034 00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,360 Speaker 1: of problems that people pointed out, and Microsoft addressed a 1035 00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,359 Speaker 1: lot of those, but the damage had already been done. 1036 00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,160 Speaker 1: The perception was already there that it was not h 1037 00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,279 Speaker 1: it was it was an inferior product in the eyes 1038 00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,400 Speaker 1: of many, and so even when Microsoft fixed things, it 1039 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,399 Speaker 1: didn't matter. Uh. Some people would argue that Windows eight 1040 00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,600 Speaker 1: is following a similar pathway that a lot of people 1041 00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:15,560 Speaker 1: have criticized it. It's had slow adoption, and therefore Microsoft 1042 00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:20,239 Speaker 1: is now going through a second Windows Vista phase. Um, 1043 00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:24,520 Speaker 1: and I say that's probably for different reasons that people 1044 00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,799 Speaker 1: are just happy with when it was seven. Well, yeah, 1045 00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,560 Speaker 1: and I think another I think another point is similar 1046 00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,960 Speaker 1: to that is the idea that a lot more people 1047 00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,719 Speaker 1: are looking to buy things like smartphones or tablets as 1048 00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,960 Speaker 1: a replacement for buying a new computer. So instead of 1049 00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,640 Speaker 1: spending a thousand dollars to buy a new computer, you 1050 00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,799 Speaker 1: spend a few hundred dollars on a tablet or a smartphone, 1051 00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,440 Speaker 1: and then that gives you the basic computing stuff that 1052 00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,319 Speaker 1: you really want. And then you just you keep your 1053 00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,800 Speaker 1: desktop computer or laptop computer for longer than you normally 1054 00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:57,560 Speaker 1: would and you just use that to do the heavy 1055 00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:02,759 Speaker 1: lifting stuff. Um. That's seems to be a pretty common theme. 1056 00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,080 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's all I've got. Any of you guys 1057 00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,680 Speaker 1: want to add anything to that? No, but I can't 1058 00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:13,040 Speaker 1: feel my fingers. Okay, Well we're gonna cut you loose, um, 1059 00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,280 Speaker 1: and then we're just gonna watch Chris make a crist 1060 00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:19,040 Speaker 1: sized hole in the door. And uh, Chris, it was 1061 00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,120 Speaker 1: great having you back. I'm glad that you were able 1062 00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,839 Speaker 1: to come in from I had a choice, you know, 1063 00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,440 Speaker 1: I mean, we hope that you're able to find your 1064 00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,400 Speaker 1: way home. I mean, I know I had you blindfolded 1065 00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,200 Speaker 1: on the way here, but it occurs to me that 1066 00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,000 Speaker 1: you actually know the location of the office, so I 1067 00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,600 Speaker 1: don't know why it took that step, in which case 1068 00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:41,840 Speaker 1: the bat gas was totally unnecessary. I apologize the bat 1069 00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:48,000 Speaker 1: has not been feeling well recently. I did not mean. Look, 1070 00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,959 Speaker 1: this is how Chris and I play. It's like it's 1071 00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,719 Speaker 1: like juvenile chicken, and the thing is, neither one of 1072 00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,759 Speaker 1: us will swerve. It's just it's just crash in a 1073 00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,439 Speaker 1: big juvenile mess. Lauren, I feel like chicken and night Chicken, 1074 00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,760 Speaker 1: and all right, that's enough. They are not a sponsor 1075 00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:04,560 Speaker 1: of our show, so we're going to wrap this up 1076 00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:08,720 Speaker 1: and make it anymore. That would be a good reason 1077 00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,040 Speaker 1: why they don't. They aren't sponsoring us. Ladies and gentlemen, 1078 00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,480 Speaker 1: thank you so much. It has been an amazing episodes. 1079 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,760 Speaker 1: I am exhausted. I'm going to go take a nap. 1080 00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,759 Speaker 1: But if you guys have any suggestions for future episodes 1081 00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,120 Speaker 1: of Tech Stuff, I highly even Chris stop struggling. It 1082 00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,920 Speaker 1: will only make it worse. It'll I highly recommend you 1083 00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:28,600 Speaker 1: get in touch with us. You can send us an email. 1084 00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,440 Speaker 1: The address is tech Stuff at Discovery dot com or 1085 00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,960 Speaker 1: let us know on Facebook or Twitter or handle at 1086 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,480 Speaker 1: both those locations. Is tech stuff hs W. Lauren and 1087 00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,719 Speaker 1: I will talk to you again soon. Chris may not 1088 00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:47,680 Speaker 1: ever talk again. 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